i just learn that human torch in fantastic four premier issue never acknowledge his namesake was from old WW 2 era superhero, only in issue #126 retelling origin he finally said he was inspired by jim hammond
>>147159254Fantastic 4 was created in response to the Justice League and it had two silverage revamps. It's actually a phenomenon I find really interesting.
>>147159254The Atlus/Timely stuff was retconned later to be apart of Marvel Universe in 1969 when they created the Invaders out of the short lived WW2 All Winners Squad. All the Golden Age characters survived WW2 and went on to have adventure through the 50's but that history was removed for the Marvel Universe.
>>147159254issue #1 version maybe jack kirby and stan lee think its such a hassle and too much baggage for kid in 1960s for mentioning OG human torch (jim hammond) who debut in 1939
>>147159809>All the Golden Age characters survived WW2 and went on to have adventure through the 50's but that history was removed for the Marvel Universe.Basically thisCaptain America came back from the war and became a teacher in the originalBut then Stan and Jack decided that Captain America had been in ice since 1945 which ignored a lot of those comicsEnglehart said Roy Thomas tasked him with coming up with an explanation for the 1950s Cap, while Thomas himself wrote a What If issue that explained the post 1945, pre-1950 Cap as multiple people taking the role>>147159254>>147159885The last appearance of the Torch was in 1954. At the time most comic companies assumed that nobody would've been able to find comics more than a few years old and that's why a lot of stuff all the way to the 50s sometimes drastically overhauled characters by pretending prior stuff didn't exist (case in point: Holyoke's Cat-Man, Lev Gleason's Daredevil)Eventually they'd find out comics fandom was getting organized and would be able to, hence why in the 60s you gradually started to see acknowledgment of that like what >>147159809 said about Atlas/Timely stuff getting retconned in, or DC acknowledging the Golden Age stuff with Earth 2)
>>147159885Comics weren't made with the idea that each individual Comic character lived in the same fictional story just somewhere else on the Earth.The shared universe wouldn't actually be created for another year when the Hulk showed up in Fantastic Four #12. And later through retcons they established bits and pieces of what happened in the old Atlus comics also happened in the Marvel Universe.The most famous example is the Post-War Captain America in modern Marvel being a new guy with a new Bucky, because in the original books they survived the war, fought racketeers in the 40's and communists in the 50's but Modern history tells us Bucky "died" and Cap was frozen in Ice for 20-80 years
>>147159254>mine will be Mr. FantasticThis Reed Richards guy sounds like a real jerkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSMg_GWiBt0
>>147160422What was your first clue that he took, was it that he took his girlfriend and her kid brother into space with him?
>>147160422kek im actually giggling IRL
>>147159254The Marvel Age was a soft reboot.
