>owl house creator has joined glitch productions>2d animation is backwelp indie has finally taken over
youtube trailer linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgwHNno1WvM
>>147160509>Glitch and Dana Terrace collabingThis is going to have the single worst fanbase in the history of animation
>>147160509dana horrorkino is on the menu!
>>147160534oh god you're right, this is going to be fucking atrocious (the people that is, I'm thinking this might actually be good)
>>147160509Hope it doesn't suck
>burn all your bridges>go to a production company stitched by ducktape and has the capacity to collapses upon itself
>>147160534 i always had the sense dana felt penned in by the brainless 'wooow cute gays' teenybopper fanbase she ended up with
>>147160509>le creepy sci-fi twist at the endrolled my eyes
>>147160509>Alex Hirsch still hasn’t made a new showOH NO NO NO KWAB
>>147160562anon, if hirsch didnt burn his bridges theres no way dana did.
>dana terrance WAIT WHAT
>>147160534>>147160550Imagine being enough of a faggot to care about internet fandoms. 90% of people online are retarded and annoying. This does look good though. I discovered Glitch from watching Murder Drones and this is their first step into a 2D show. Murder Drones was peak 3D animation and just from the teaser of this the style looks great. Waiting in anticipation for the pilot, but not getting too hyped yet.
>>147160562Yeah, I mean good for her, but I’m wondering how she feels about going from Disney pay and benefits to whatever Glitch offers, which I can’t imagine is more than freelance pay.
>>147160578Do not underestimate autism, some people are able to burn more than bridges in their way out
>>147160509>Another story about fantasy and escapismThat's an immediate red flag, seems like Dana can't come up with another theme for her story. I doubt it will be as bad as owl house, going full adult horror is enough to distinguish itself from that pre-teen garbage, but I have no reason to trust this writing team when their experience is one of the lamest Disney shows of recent years. I can already tell I will be annoyed by all the "fantasy delusion" shit they will have going on.My only hope is that its truly grotesque to a point owl house fans can't keep watching. It would be the first time I would ever call Dana "based" if she manages to freak them out to the point of disgust.
>>147160565You don't like anything
>>147160589I know, it's probably going to be so shit.
>>147160509The hell is this?
>>147160534That's exactly the point, anon. Quality of content doesn't matter anymore, only visual aesthetics and fandom potential with shipping options.
>>147160608>global rule 2
>>147160565You'd rather it be full fantasy like owl house? Because that sucked.
>Dena going full edge after being freed from the mouse's shackles Alright Dena, I'll see what you can do free of corpo meddleing, we saw the kind of hack Vivzi ended up being. So far it looks visually interesting at least.
>>147160534Spbp
>>147160562>production company stitched by ducktape and has the capacity to collapses upon itselfI'm going to go "Uncited bullshit for 500", Alex. Glitch is the most successful indie crew and has blown everything else out of the water in only 2-3 years. They've had two big successes with Murder Drones and The Amazing Digital Circus and have grown substantially in a ridiculously short time. I'm not surprised more creators are getting involved and becoming showrunners for Glitch, that's what the entire thing is based on. They reached out to get creators like Liam Vickers and Gooseworx for their shows, and now it's clear they've still been bringing people on despite TADC going viral and making them a well known name.
>>147160562t. mousedrone bootlicker
>>147160605>It would be the first time I would ever call Dana "based" if she manages to freak them out to the point of disgust.I sincerely hope for the best, I'm just worried that there isn't enough tard wranglers to prevent this from shitting itselfIt always felt that she had talent but her worse enemy was herself, it's almost painful to see artists self sabotage so much be for ideology, drugs or narcissism
>>147160509Welp, there goes indie animation.
>>147160509>dana works on this.Now I know what not to see, it's sad, glitch was going in the right direction.
>>147160534Please don't be like that one guy that predicted the amount of porn those stupid horses got
>>147160509my theory.its westworld but on a medieval fantasy setting, robots made to fulfill people fantasy for a RPG like world, but things go wrong , the robots become selfaware
Calling it right now>creature being held hostage acts terrifying for 3 episodes but then turns out she is actually MUH misunderstood victim from space who had a hot girlfriend she was taken from>the two girls keeping her stuck there (lesbians and dating) are working for an evil corporation lead by evil white man who wants to exploit her. They don't know he is evil until later, rebel and work together with the alien girl to fight back>they escape the evil company and have a threesome>jokes about how awful working for Disney isProve me wrong Dana.
>>147160680I haven’t heard any horror stories about Dana in the workplace. She seems more disciplined than Alex Hirsch and Lauren Faust at least.
I was glad for indie animation since I thought it'd have less gay shit forced in by corpos, lo and behold it's still packed with gay shit.The AIfags are obnoxious but maybe they have a point.
>>147160605s1 of the owl house was obviously gutted like a fish by disney censors, dana admits as much herself. maybe she gets to do those themes right this time
>>147160687You say that like Vivzipop wasn't the one who pioneered western indie animation to begin with
>>147160680What will fuck it over is the fact its 2D. Unless its a 5 episode miniseries and every episode is only 20 minutes I cannot see production going well. 2D is a pain in the ass, especially to get it done on time. They will need to get their shit together for production workflow to be good on this.
It already looks boring and gay.Digital Circus has one single character I don't find annoying which is Kinger, don't really care about the rest of the cast.Hopefully Space King can continue to save the white race.
>>147160734S2 and "S3" were also shit, so what's her excuse there?
>>147160509>Mocking Snow White>Scene turns to be a dream where the princess is actually a evil creature that needs to be hold on a fantasy worldThe grudge torwards Disney is still there
>>147160721Hey falseflagging AIfag. Maybe you should learn how to draw and animate to be the change you want to be in the world and not blame the medium for your short comings?
>>147160765TOH started out the same way, one of the earliest ever scenes is Luz seeing a sleeping prince and slapping him instead of kissing him to wake him up
You realize that despite of everything Dana is still super happy and proud for how TOH turned on?She has said it several times.
>>147160761s3 was rushed, i think because it got cancelled. s2 was okay. in general the story feels like a YA version of whatever it was originally supposed to be.
>>147160781if she said it was shit and a mistake, it would be like pissing on the faces of everyone else who worked on it.
>>147160550The fanbase will suck (most glitch fans are obnoxious tards), but I think Dana actually has good ideas. It will be interesting to see what she'll be able to do when not boxed in by the mouse. Her original concepts for Owl House were really fucking cool and I wish we could have seen more of the Hieronymous Bosch world she had original envisioned before Disney forced it to essentially become Harry Potter with girl MC.
>>147160509>DANA IS COMING
>>147160803You say it like they don't deserve it.
Owl House is still the only Disney show in the 2020s to have gotten a third "season" at all
>>147160562>go to a production company stitched by ducktape and has the capacity to collapses upon itselfIt's too early to say with any certainty, but Glitch has been more or less paving the way forward for indies. As TV animation collapses, they stand to be the next biggest thing if they keep growing as they have.
>>147160765It’s kind of funny how Snow White is still insanely prominent and watched close to 90 years later because of its artistic mastery, while Dana’s shows are close to forgotten 5 years later and will be in online “has anyone heard pthese shows no one knows now” threads in 50 years
>>147160781She says that because her BPD fanbase would turn on the show and call it problematic if she didn’t.
>>147160509>sci-fi psychological thrillerIt's gonna be reddit isn't it
>>147160805Do you have any source about the original pitch of the Owl House? I'm genuinely interested.
>>147160781Good for her, I thought the whole show was a horrible piece of shit and every character was boring, with the lamest final boss in DTVA history. I am not excited for a show by the writer of something I found dumb.
>>147160824>"third season"LoL
>>147160765>>147160779Nice to know some things ever change https://youtu.be/gVmab1Vs3uY?si=GEu-pje-c9AJZOaQ&t=17
>>147160509DOWN WITH CALARTS SLOPPA.FINGERS CROSSED THAT THIS IS AT LEAST DECENT. If this is at least a moderate success, it'll prove that indie productions can outdo industry and Disney shit without being equally disasterous garbage like Vivziepop's shit.
Instead of Murder Drones S2 we're getting this?!
>>147160847With tribefag and Luke poisoning the well in every TOH thread for the last 5 years, I'm going to need a more nuanced take to believe you're not just one of them doing their usual shtick
>>147160534>preemptively complaining about hypothetical future fanbasesWhat a loser
>>147160856Stop falseflagging.
So, when is Alex going to get a new show?
>>147160687Unfortunately animation is expensive and especially for indie having a 2d series, so if they were ever going to do it it needed to have a e-celebrity with an established show following who’d watch it instantly
>>147160855hello, tadc already proved it.
>>147160850Everything after it got less.
>>147160861>tribefag and Luke poisoningAh so you're one of "those". Someone who would rather say someone criticizing a thing you like is part of a group of trolls and not someone voicing their opinion.I saw enough of the show to decide for myself, it was shit. It wasn't the worst show ever, but it was lame as hell and I couldn't care less about any character from it.
>>147160865Struck a nerve huh?
Can you even call this shit indie anymore? Also fuck dana
>>147160876Let Owl House fags have something. They need a show that's actually good. You never know, maybe Dana can deliver something decent without Disney's baggage.
>>147160875He’s living on GF royalties.
>>147160885You need to have been there to know what it's like, tribefag specifically lost weeks of sleep so he could shitpost in every single thread with the same images over and over
>>147160889You're the one getting pissy at imagined future events.
>>147160744>Hopefully Space King can continue to save the white race.skibidi is doing that too though
>>147160891It's produced by an independent production studio, which makes funds to produce their shows through the merch they make themselves. How Glitch works is that they recruit prominent creators and invite them to be showrunners and have Glitch produce their show, while they head the show's creative development. It's indie.
Owl House fucking sucked, and I fail to see how this will gain an audience that'll buy merch like their cashcow TADC.It'll be on the same level as Meta Runners and Sunset Paradise, remember those? Me neither.
>>147160926>It'll be on the same level as Meta Runners and Sunset ParadiseAs will that other one
>>147160841She had posted a TON of art and talked about it online. I hadn't saved anything and honestly don't feel like digging, but I'd imagine it's still findable. Her original drawings and concepts were pretty fucking dope. Her original idea was supposed to be much more influenced by Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights and would feature really fucked up demons. Disney sanitized and rinsed the shit out of it and only a few things made it through. That tiny character that is basically a nose with hair and eyes (which is kind of a caricature of Terrace herself) is a nod to Bosch, but the show is much less dark than she had originally wanted it.
>>147160891Yes. All indie means is without being under the thumb of a major corpo. It doesn't not become indie because the person who created it worked for a big publisher. If that were the case a major chunk of indie games and movies wouldn't be considered indie.
Those are not random collaborators/showrunners, John and Zach also worked on TOH, it's not just Dana
>>147160882I was moreso saying because this is Glitch's first 2D show. I know Glitch already proved they can make very successful shows with Murder Drones and TADC.
>>147160926It'll probably be on the level Murder drones, and that had shitty storytelling but people liked it cause the animation was good.
>>147160926>Meta Runners and Sunset Paradise, remember those?I don't, because they're the FAILED Glitch Production shows.
>>147160926>I fail to see how this will gain an audience that'll buy merch like their cashcow TADCOwlfags are insane anon, just one lesbian couple is all Dana needs to put in and they’ll go ballistic buying shit
The Ghost and Molly McGee was better.
>>147160984Yes but only cause of Andrea
>>147160841>>147160937If you're not familiar with Bosch's work, definitely check it out. Dude did some really fucked up surrealist type religious stuff, but like in the 1400's-early 1500's. It's almost like he took a time machine back in time because his work looks so contemporary and is at odds with pretty much everything else that existed back then (aside from actual painting technique). Some early art can get kind of fucked up in a good way, but Heironymus Bosch is on a whole other level.
>>147160604It’s not autism dumbass, she wanted to make way more creative, expressive, dark, and edgy stuff as a teenager than most of her peers and had to settle for the social climate’s stateYou speak in babble for young males to feel dominant rather than caring about why people live the way they do
I'm seeing a lot of "Owl House sucked, so this is going to suck too" shit. Which is just as obnoxious and annoying as tards who blindly praise it for being from Dana. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, this is her chance as a creator and artist to prove she can make something worthwhile free from the influence of a soulless mega corp like Disney So far, its certainly trying to distance itself from Disney. Which is either a really good thing or a really bad thing, I'll wait until the episode proper to judge
>>147160955There's more to Murder Drones than the animation. Like the robofuckers that want to fuck their robo waifus and husbandos. I thought Murder Drones was pretty solid, animation aside.>>147160964Exactly, forgotten.
>>147160998Andrea is a lame lesbian
>>147160926>>147160935Oh come on. This and Gaslight District aren't even here yet. At least wait for the Pilot episodes before doing this shit. Comparing everything to TADC's insane viral popularity is retarded. You're better than this. Even viewership in the tens of millions is excellent for a web cartoon. Glitch has a huge audience now. Hell, Murder Drones didn't get picked up by normies and go viral like TADC did but that still did well and had extremely good merch sales as well.
>>147161026Way less people want to fuck zombies than they want to fuck clowns or robots.
>>147160937Thank you, anon.
>>147160823whether they do or don't, it's a pretty stupid idea to start pissing people off in an industry that relies so heavily on networking. That goes for any industry really, but animators don't really get long term employment. They work gigs as long as the film or series production lasts and then they're looking for work again.
>>147160602Creative freedom is worth more to many creatives than the dollar value.
>>147160823no it wouldn't, that is a child's mentality. dana is more professional than that.
>>147160955I loved Murder Drones story precisely because it doesn't hold your hand and requires you to pay attention to put together what's going on. I thought the show overall was pretty damn good, but to each their own. You are right though. This is GLITCH's first step into 2D animation and they have a big name like Dana heading it. It'll likely still do well enough to be considered a success. At the very least, the animation should be very good.
>>147161004I have witnessed a lot of meltdowns with bosses in my workplace, artists are the kind that storm out after pissing on the fax machineAll I'm saying is that corpos do blacklist people and sometimes people make it a lot more likely to happen than it should be
>>147160841here's the pitch bible, leaked a while backhttps://archive.org/details/owl-house-pitch-bible
>>147161036Anon... do you know where you are?
>>147160765The poster for the show has the princess character in a parody of Disneyland btw It's clear Dana's new show will be a satire of Disney
>>147160509Very excited for it to finally be revealed that Dana Terrace is a hack writer now that no one can blame a major studio or S&P notes on the reason why her story sucks or was butchered or whatever. I'm gonna guess this will have some cool visuals, cool designs, meaningless commentary, horrible characterization, and an unsatisfying ending.
>>147160876Temmers recently posted experiments doing 2d animation with 3d rigs. The celebrity will definitely help with funding, but just as Glitch leveraged gaming technology to make their 3d pipeline more cost effective, it seems like they're cooking up some tricks to help alleviate some traditional costs with 2d as well. If anything, getting mainstream showrunners to work on indie productions helps to legitimize the indie movement and make it something that can compete even more with mainstream TV shows.
>>147161087Thanks, I was looking for something like this.
My wife https://x.com/Nezhahah/status/1880345474550624658?t=4A1-GRvH_mYVXsIJOplOqg&s=19
>Dana hates Disney for being a capitalist monopoly>Dana proceeds to work for Glitch which is not only that for indie animation but abusive to it's employees???At least she can insert as many LGBT characters as she wants because Glitch doesn't care about that.
>>147161081hirch supposedly pissed in on site plant pots to save time and he's voicing shit for disney right now. all you need to do is not rape anyone on your way out.
>>147161109>Temmers recently posted experiments doing 2d animation with 3d rigs.Studios have been doing that for awhile and it pretty much always looks bad.
>>147161109doesnt glitch have a netflix deal ? that can't hurt.
>>147161104>It's clear Dana's new show will be a satire of DisneyThat's fucking based. Fuck Disney.
>>147161145Even in Big Top Burger?
>>147161104>Park Planet Hey wait a minute, this is just Space JamI unironically don't even mean that as an insult, Space Jam was more clever than people like to give it credit for
>>147161081>artists are the kind that storm out after pissing on the fax machineThat's the stereotype, but actual working artists don't tend to do that as much. The people who establish enough discipline to actually make a career of it have usually learned to control their impulses. People like Luke Weber are the outliers which is why we talk about him but not the 100's of other storyboard artists whose names you don't even know because they just do the work and don't have meltdowns on twitter.
>>147161121/co/ anons, new waifu just dropped. >>147161125Shut up, Industrycuck.This didn't work last time either.
>>147161154Big Top Burger looks impressive because it's made mostly by one dude, but in a studio context it's not particularly good-looking.His CG stop-motion stuff is way more impressive.
>>147161129Well at least this isn't ubicrap of actiblizzard so we can say that's unlikely
>>147161121so the show has been in production for over a year, interesting
>>147161064> it doesn't hold your hand and requires you to pay attention to put together what's going on.That's an excuse for being poorly conveyed
>>147161121Ms /co/ 2025 is going to be hell
>>147161182In a studio context, most tv shows nowadays are bland and generic, I don't know what your point was.
>>147161145looked great in 'belle' movie.
>>147161145>Studios have been doing that for awhile and it pretty much always looks bad.Yeah, which is why it's significant when someone is experimenting with methods instead of just doing what has already been done. People make it look bad until someone comes along and figures out how to make it look good. Machinima animation sucked balls too until Glitch showed that the tech could be used to make real fucking shows.
>>147160534It's going to have the best fanbase if Dana ditches the twitter audience and reveals her true power level.
>>147160578Hirsch wasn't a total nightmare to work with behind the scenes, or at the very least wasn't as notorious for it. Eevn after all the criticism he'slevied at Disney over the years, you still get the impression that they're willing to play ball with him if he ever decides to give them another chance. Meanwhile Disney wants NOTHING to do with Dana, they're more than willing to leave the Owl House money on the table if it means blacklisting her entirely.
>>147160509it also has John Bailey Owen and Zach Marcus in it. anyone know who the hell they are?
>>147161201You might just have a short attention span. It's not for everybody. If you don't care for mystery plots you have to follow then that's that. I understood what was happening just fine through pausing whenever I noticed something. That's just how it is.
>>147161218Where do you people get this idea that Dana herself isn't the "twitter audience?"
>>147160869How bout you stop acting like you're speaking for the MD fandom. We were supposed to get a second season but we didn't. Now the resources are going towards a pedo from California's show.
>>147161201Have you ever seen shit from Warhammer that thing is so poorly conveyed it's a feat it manages to be coherent at times, and somehow people lap it up and move tons of unpainted plastic through the oceanStyle and vibes are sometimes more important than some people getting it
>>147161222>Disney wants NOTHING to do with Dana[source not found]
>>147160534I don't give a rat's ass, take it to Mr. "Treating Vivziepop like a female Neil Gaiman and worshipping her like a god" fanbase.
>>147160856>>147161241blatant falseflagger btw.
>>147160521holy shit i am surprised, this is a fantastic teaser
I legitmately do not understand how the "hehe hoho Mario says piss" guys unironically became the vangaurds of indie animation, and unironically the reason why western animation in current year is even remotely relevant.
>>147161152Netflix has a non-exclusive license for TADC. That may end up applying to other shows like Gaslight District and this new one too, but no official statement has been made yet. That said, Netflix tends to have fucking awful budgeting for animated shows in comparison to other places and have offered laughable amounts to creators in the past. They're paying *something* to stream TADC, but because it's also available for free on Youtube and all ownership and creative control is retained by Glitch, it's likely not as much as you might think. TLDR: the netflix money isn't nothing, but pomni plushies still pay the bills.
>>147160646If you guys bothered checking her artwork that she used to post in her tumblr, you'd get excited for it.
>>147161233No. That's too convenient an excuse for this show. Show your story unfolding properly by making character motivations clear and maybe your projects will get respect.
>>147161271Post it then, because I ain't seeing anything that makes me excited.
>>147161241>keeps falseflagging against MD for some reasonYou're probably just some chimp trying to start shit because you're mad about indie shows / Glitch. Nobody's buying this.
>>147160509Damn, that was actually a pretty cool trailer and it looks like its going to be a lot of fun.Lets see what Dana can do now that she is free of the Mouse's shackles.
>>147160876Stop pushing this lie that keeps getting disproven time and time again. 2D animation has always been cheaper than 3D. Some of the most expensive and high quality 2D movies like the Disney Renaissance era films still are only a fraction of the cost of modern 3D outings.
>>147161267their experience as kids making funny videos for the hell of it grew them up well
>>147161274Oh you're baiting. Okay.
>>147161271I've seen, that's why I'm not shutting down the idea of her getting her own show free of suit influence. TOH was a flawed show, but I'm not convinced it was her fault and had good ideas. This is her chance to show us all what she can do.
>>147161210this is part of why 2d is not done anymore in favour of 3d, as well. innovating 2d is what is going to keep it alive and relevant. no one wants to break their hands doing cleanup anymore.
>>147161104I see that the theme park mascot horror video game trope has finally reached the animation sphere
>>147161312Murder drones's views went down over time. That's cause it's a shit show with piss poor storytelling you dumbass.
>>147161194>so the show has been in production for over a year, interestingAnimation takes a long god damned time. A year of production probably means all of the animation that exists is essentially in that teaser. A lot of time was probably dedicated to pre-production stuff - character design, background design, writing, honing style and creating guides, creating the pipeline (which likely takes a lot of trial and error), assembling and training the team, etc.
>>1471613052d is cheaper if it's one and done. for a series 3d is cheaper as it goes on because you can just keep reusing the already made assets.
>>147161305Indie is different than major corporation animation Most major corporation CGI is overbloated with executive and “celebrity” and other frivolous costs. Indie doesn’t have that so just doing rendering is far cheaperThere’s a reason why Glitch’s first shows until now were all CGI
wooooahis that something le heckin cute and adorbs but actually SUPER SCARY AND TERRIFYING?holy shit, this is gonna be revolutionary....
>>147161320>no one wants to break their hands doing cleanup anymoreit's unfortunate because classic frame by frame animation looks SO much better. I'd like to think that at least a handful of artisans will keep it alive.
>>147161329they put 2025 in the trailer, so they probably have more unless they're planning to rush this out by the end of the year
>>147160735>Vivziepop >Pioneering western indie animation to begin withWith the absolute most blatant yaoi schlang literally every deviantartist can make and making the most of people who want to earn a few measly changes animating her god-forbidden show? Yeah, that's definitely pioneering, by being one of the most blatant sell-outs in history, Disney would be hiring her on the spot over Hirch or Terrance back any day.
>>147161347Shut the fuck up
>>147161339I hate celebrity culture in animation, it only makes everything worse
>>147161322Zoomer-kun...https://youtu.be/sk8S6EkE68A?si=I909BB9Hi7dz_N0i
>>147160509reminds me of thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYGhDp02e8
Man, all the gay teenagers on /co/ are gonna go crazy over this slop.
>>147161357Come up with something better, Dana.
>>147161353I didn't say she pironeered it for good reasons. But she does know her audience and how to pander to them
>>147161347it looks legit edgy instead of mascot horror edgy, i think it has potential
I'm curiously optimistic. It's nice to see Dana make an actual horror cartoon instead of one which was pitched to Disney and was watered down to "Harry Potter but for people who think JK Rowling is too problematic".
>>147161326NTA but I'm not sure why you're seething so hard unless you actually are baiting hereAlso that's just not true, all shows (even something stupid huge like TADC) show a drop on views from the Pilot to Episode 2 because people check it out, figure it's not for them, and don't follow the rest of the show while the remainder keeps watching. Past Episode 2, Murder Drones has had a very consistent viewership and averages 26-30 million views per episode. You're clearly coping or just being a threadshitter if you have to lie and pretend like it wasn't a successful show. Hate on it and cry about it all you want.
>>147161349i strongly feel aiding artists in this is the kind of shit AI should be used for, not wasted on retards who cant draw
Already can tell this is just lesbo slop. Total Dana destruction her stupid hoe ass should've died in that fire
>>147161380So now it's just the same shit but with blood. Wowee zowee.
>>147161351I'd guess they'll have a pilot for end of 2025. That's not unreasonable if they've already laid the groundwork for a year prior and are ramping up production now. Even though this is their first 2d production, Glitch at least has general infrastructure in place so they don't have to start from scratch like a lot of other indies do.
>>147160509I originally saw this on mobile without any audio and thought it was kind of passé but neat visually. However watching it again now on the browser and man the dialogue already sucks. Hope it's better in the actual pilot
>>147161104Indigo Park did it better
>>147161398even if the trope is overdone i will still give it a chance and you should too
>>147161431honestly even if the story is bad i will still enjoy looking at it.
>>147161429>furslop horrorno it didn't
>>147161392I'll agree when I can see it used well. So far most of the discourse around the use of the technology has been about wholesale replacement of artists which is absolutely fucking stupid.
>>147161334This point is sort of arguable. It depends entirely on the show, and many 2D shows reused backgrounds, settings, and even character animations extremely frequently. It's also much quicker to create a new 2D asset like a background than it is to model everything in 3D. A talented artist can draw a background or scenery in a few hours while modeling is a fucking horrific nightmare that is also far less accessible to the average person than hand drawn art. It's also a lot more work to make a 3D character go "off-model" or to make changes to their design.That being said, Glitch getting Kevin Temmer was a huge boon. For better or worse, he is an absolute master when it comes to dynamic 3D animation.
>>147161425>man the dialogue already sucks.>Literally one two lines of dialogue that barely say anything than what is shown on screen
>>147160509This doesn’t look promising but at least it exists.
>>147161453Unlike this project, it was made by someone who actually enjoys the Disney Parks and isn't completely bitter to the company
>>147161474why are you defending a big corporation
>>147161456The biggest problem with AI is the way it's being used I think, and how money-grubbing the corporate culture around it is. I genuinely believe that it would be a great tool for cleanup and in-betweens that would save a lot of effort on the part of animations and allow for even more time and work to be put into beautiful keyframes.Money, however, makes it so that they'd rather just fire everyone and have AI do everything.
>>147161425The cursing makes me think it’s going to be Helluva Boss diet edition.
>>147160509Luke Weber on suicide watch
>>147160509It's really interesting that somebody who worked with Disney is now moving to work with an indie animation studio. Seems like a pivotal moment.I hope more indie animation studios can bring some new life to the western animation industry going forward.
>>147161104>Park PlanetYou cannot be shitting me, is this going to be a animated mascot horror? God that sucks ASS
>>147161447this, it's very high quality
>>147161474>it was made by someone who actually enjoys the Disney ParksIt was made by a lobotomite disney adult? thanks for telling me, I'll definitely make sure not to watch now.
>>147161456yeah. it's reasonable to have misgivings, but i do sincerely hope it can be used to make real artists lives easier.>>147161468kek, the dialogue was probably written specifically for this teaser
>>147161104Princess character looks like a mix between Cinderella and Jasmine.
>>147161506>watch
i hope this starts a trend of big name creators making weird indie shit.
>>147161474Yes, because Disney Parks have been great and soulful these last couple years, remind me again what they did with Splash Mountain? Or what they're doing with Tom Sawyer Island?
Kinda wish that Glitch kept working with online artists instead of hollywood ones that have already gotten their own shows. This will probably lead to a massive downgrade in quality of their shows from here on out.
>>147161104If Dana wasn't blacklisted from Disney before she certainly will be after this kekWith that being said I wouldn't jump to conclusions and assume it's more mascot horror fare, I assume Dana has actual things to say here given her experience with the company
>>147161222[citation needed]
>>147160509> welp indie has finally taken over…yep. I don’t what else to say but that the indie animation industry has overtaken the mainstream industry in relevance. The fact that this isn’t the first time we’ve gotten a beautiful 2D Animated video game that people are excited about is very telling. I don’t even see regular kids get excited about mainstream cartoons, nah, they are all into Helluva Boss and The Digital Circus
>>147160509five nights at freddy's.... again.
>>147160509I'm legitimately interested to see what Dana could make with no corporate meddling. It will either be great or an absolute trashfire, in either case, I'm in.
>>147161391This. That anon is being a dishonest faggot, it also wouldn't surprise me if he's the TADC tribalfag poster than posts seethe about other shows (especially Murder Drones for some reason, despite both being produced by Glitch)TADC Pilot - 365 million views, a year agoTADC Ep 2 - 141 million views, 8 months agoTADC Ep 3 - 53 million views, 3 months agoTADC Ep 4 - 58 million views, 1 month agoLike you said, all shows will show a drop in viewship from the hype of initial release over time. I don't know why this fag is targetting Murder Drones so hard for some reason, because it's an extremely bad example of this. That show has had pretty damn stable viewership for its entire run, not including the usual halving of views from the Pilot to Episode 2 a year later which is normal and also observable with something super popular like TADC.
>>147161560>this isn’t the first time we’ve gotten a beautiful 2D Animated video gamewhat was the first time? Gris?
>>147161560>Regular kids>Helluva Boss and TADCNo offense, but you're reeaaally stretching the definition of the word "regular."
>>147161530The Final Space creator made a pilot about a year ago https://youtu.be/Fdbd2kRSzG8?si=CIybQwDEHxVVERtu
>>147160562>ducktape
>>147161104That always does well
>>147160605I'm sick of California nihilism and cynicism taking over storytelling. Nothing can be sincere. Spirituality is virtually gone. Optimism is gutted down with constant "reality checks". Medieval fantasy is racism! Fairytale worlds are stupid! All sci-fi MUST be political commentary! Just from a tiny teaser, I can already see some stupid fucking commentary about escapism being destructive and how fantasy is just a way for people to ignore real-world problems. It's going to lack any form of wisdom or complex themes and just le Disney princess smash cut with Silent Hill monsters. It's possible to have liberal California views and still engage in optimism and faith of some kind. Pic related is a good example of that. Knowing Dana's opinions already, I can guarantee this series is going to be nothing but torture porn for a character who dared to long for a fun fantasy world.
>>147161540It would surprise me if Glitch went in that direction considering Goose is creating their most popular show. I assume they'll do a mixture going forward - obviously it's good publicity for a big name to join, but you don't want to discredit smaller creators either.
>>147161571See >>147161361
>>147161540Gaslight's creator is a nobody with no prior work on anything significant.
>>147160891Hi LukeGo eat a vegemite sandwich
>>147161599you're assuming a lotfor all we know it could just be about a robot(?) thing killing a bunch of people
>>147161589First I hear about this, although it seems basic at first glance.
>>147161580Why is Episode 3 less than Episode 4?
>>147161585Is he? Just today I've seen more people talk about this than whatever fucking new show Disney just shat out, or whatever CN has nowFuck, even Netflix has only one show that I can think that's only claim to fame was "it's kinda like anime, but not, and was overshadowed by an actual anime that aired on the same service at the same time"
>>147161619Luke is too busy working on his own indie pilot to come here.
>>147160509mmmmmm TADC and now a terrace show?i knew glitch was left leaning but i dunno...in any case, ill give it a chance when it comes out.
so who did it best?
>>147161606So?
>>147160509This is going to be absolutely insane. What the fuck. The discourse will be insufferable.
>>147161625I'm basing many assumptions on Dana's very vocal opinions, artwork, and previous writing. Do you think she's the type of person who would EVER make a sincere fantasy world?
>>147161599That show went downhill after season 1
>>147161585Then you haven't been around kids. Digital Circus is ridiculously popular among normal children - and many kids LOVE hazbin hotel and helluva boss despite their extremely inappropriate content. You ever watch South Park or Family Guy as a kid? Helluva Boss is that for modern children. The edgy cartoon with bad language that they're not supposed to be watching
>>147161129>Dana raped people at DisneyI respect her now>>147161238Because I interacted with Dana while she had her old personality while reading John K’s blog, mutually defining our ideas like my hell and demon content.
>>147161631Viewership is weird like that. A percentage of views on shows will just be "random views", as in not actual regular viewers following the show but just randomly finding a certain episode but never actually watching the series. That's also compounded with some people just naturally losing interest over time, so you can sometimes get an earlier episode having less views than a later episode. Ontop of that, Youtube's analytics are dogshit so viewcounts aren't always very representative either.
>>147161649>shipwrecked 64i have a personal vendetta against this game
>>147161631That's odd because Gangles episode sucked
>>147161625>it could just be about a robot(?) thing killing a bunch of peopleNever heard that one before
>>147161646>Just today I've seen more people talk about this than whatever fucking new show Disney just shat out, or whatever CN has nowThat's not really saying much considering all those networks are dead.
>>147161631Ep. 3 was horror themed, which might have turned off some, and Ep. 4 had people rewatching it over and over to grab meme clips and screenshots.
>>147160509Can Glitch make something more episodic and comedic all these lore shows are getting boring
>>147161631People don't like haunted house episodes. Episode 5 is the least viewed Murder Drones episode by a lot.
>>147161701Exactly the point
>>147161685Did you actually or are you just another schizo on /co/?
>>147160509Looks like shit. Unsurprisingly Dana's simps are already eating it up.
>>147161064The fact they are doing 2D animation now makes me want to try to pitch to them.
>>147161711>Can Glitch make something more episodic and comedicThose are usually best for shows that run for multiple seasons rather than shows that have seven episodes and then none ever again
>>147161104Anyone else think that this princess character looks a tad similar to Disney channel tan? Blue hair+buns and all lol
>>147161631when rewatching episodes you don't typically rewatch the seasonal specialsalso episode 4 is really fucking good
>>147161711Too bad, This is not the 20th century anymore, All shows have lores now.
>>147161646>whatever fucking new show Disney just shat outYou don't like immediately cancelled brown girl adventure number nine?
>>147161646in people or here?Where the fuck are you even at for people to talk about this in person?
>>147161218if she does its going to be a horror show full of lesbians that humiliate anything white and/or male. not sure im into zero oversight.
>>147161711the few times there is an episodic non-lore show, /co/ never talks about it. because there's nothing to talk about.
>>147161759take your meds schizo
https://x.com/oh_heyyy_andy/status/1880364227497701653?t=-8DtAR9gC4Z-RXH9tSW2BQ&s=19
>>147160605>>147161599>>147161669I get what you're saying, I really do. But look at the state of modern Disney and tell me it doesn't derseve to be taken down a peg. Disney has been an empty soulless husk banking on their name for years now, and while yes, I would've liked a sincere attempt to beat Disney at their own game and make the kind of series they used to but better, I won't lie and say taking the piss out of them at their most soulless won't be cathartic in its own right, if done well anyway.
>>147161759Friendly fire towards Owl House will not be tolerated
>>147161790does no one care that this guy worked on an nft project
>>147161649Crow Country.
>>147160509>dana terracenooooooonooooooim dying of aids
>>147161683I can understand TADC and even if it has horror elements, it still bothers to playfully censor words. Hazbin Hotel/Helluvah Boss is more the equivalent of Disney-fied crude adult animation that you can tell is an excuse for Vivienne to get herself into Broadway with her teen years' project and presumably work in Disney in the near future after having already made her name in the stars and milking the hows into their 6th or 7th season, like most long-length egregous convoluted shows that don't even know what they are beyond the initial premise and tries doing everything and much more (sound familiar?) and beating around the bush with vain promises of what the show is intending.
So is all western indie animation just made for gay teenagers nowadays?
>>147161752TADC isn't a lore show. Goose says it'd disappoint all the lore lovers and theorists.
>>147161790That neck is fucked up
>>147161868Throat GOAT.
Huh why is glitch doing 2d shit
>>147161807Lots of people did back during the boom that then quietly pretended it never happened. I think it's seen as more of an embarrassing mistake than a career ender.
>>147161488I REALLY hope there's extreme negative public backlash to corpos trying to do literally everything with AI so they dial it back and stop trying to use it as a new sort of snake oil. It reminds me of the 1300's when metals and stones were a cure-all or the 1800's when electricity was a cure-all or the early 1900's when radium was a cure-all, or the 00's when suddenly magnetic bracelets (and belts and mattresses) were a cure-all, or the 10's when antioxidants were a cure-all etc. It's like any *"new" thing that is poorly understood is immediately the answer to everyone's problems because flim flam men are trying to make a quick buck and the general public is too stupid to know any better. If people accept the garbage AI media that studios are trying to produce, that will become the new model and we'll get lazy trash forever. I'd like to think most people will reject it, but I unfortunately don't have much faith in the general public. *magnets weren't new. They were well understood by that point, and that should have never been a thing in the 00's, but people are fucking idiots.
>>147161863Thank god, because I'm tired of needlessly complicated "LOOOOOOORE" shit's that's been around as of lately.
>>147161899yeah except he worked on it not even a year ago. The project came out in 2024
Honestly every time Glitch teases a new show it's a treat. Not because I care about their work, but because retarded /co/omers have an irrational hatred for these autistic australians for some reason. It's always fun to sit back and watch the massive hoops they go through to try screaming about these people without just admitting they hate cartoons.
>>147161647>his own indie pilotsource? I haven't seen or heard anything about it.
>>147161915Well then, I guess nobody does care.
>>147161909>that's been around as of lately.Like where?
>>147161228Yes, both worked on The Owl House with Dana. So you can expect the writing will be pretty much the same.
>>147160509On one hand, it's cool that someone like Dana is joining Glitch and thus giving so much legitimacy to indie animation. It's a big deal, for sure.On the other hand, I don't like the teaser. It feels like yet another edgy mascot horror slop "for adults". I feel like I've seen this a billion times (because I did), I want more sincere stuff like TADC, with characters I'd want to root for instead of cynical metaphors straight out of Rick & Morty. And knowing Dana, she gravitates much more to the latter.Obviously, I'll reserve my judgment until it actually comes out, but I'm not terribly excited.
>>147161941Depends on how much meddling Disney did.
>>147161925https://x.com/Fresherluke/status/1869359000946667698
>>147161941All I know is John wrote some hilarious jokes
>>147161917/co/ntrarianism gets extremely apparent when it comes to Glitch for some reason. Just look at this thread.>GRRRR FUCK LORE!!! I WANT EPISODIC SHOWS!>THERE'S COLORS? FUCK THIS KIDDY SHIT. THERE'S A DARK ELEMENT? IT'S SHIT. >DID I JUST HEAR A SWEAR WORD??? CRASS VIVZIEPOP GARBAGE.
>>147161560>>147161585>>147161683What does it say about our society that two shows LITERALLY ABOUT GAY DEMONS are some of the most popular cartoons, even among children, right now?
>>147160509Love or hate Dana and Glitch, we can all agree on saying, "Fuck Disney!"
>>147161963>it's in production at the Daily wire stalker bitch>Daily WirekekAlso, good to see that Luke is as argumentative and childish as ever.This dude has to be pushing 50 at this point. Isn't there a time when one grows beyond internet slap fights?
>>147162012It says that literally no other western cartoons are willing to pander to fujos. It's a huge untapped market people are just conceding to Vivzie.
>>147162012it says that we've finally progressed beyond giving a shit about who other people choose to fuck and that we understand demons are entertaining because supernatural monsters don't actually exist.
>>147162001People (and tribefag) are just looking for an excuse to seethe at Dana
>>147162017This. Anything that's a middle finger to Disney is good. At least whatever this will be won't be DTVA slop.
>>147162012"Low standards, meet low scarcity" and other stuff as example of "sex sells".
>>147162018>Isn't there a time when one grows beyond internet slap fights?You can only grow out of them when you become self-aware enough to stop yourself from falling for the bait and close the tab. Boomers almost universally lack self-awareness.
Not interested.
>>147162012I don't think it's popular about children in general, only girls, because boys would never watch gay shipshit like Helluva Boss.
>>147162017"Fuck Disney" until it comes to shitting on DTVA slop and then suddenly it's "not all disney slop is bad separate the art from the company"Fuck you Dana shill.
>>147162081Good point. Even Vivzie has lessened her bait-taking habits (though she still gets sucked in every now and then). What does it say when fucking Vivzie Pop, queen of internet shit flinging and drama, matures faster than you?
>>147162081It’s not boomers self harming and committing suicide over Discord shipping faggotry.
>>147160509hopefully no more lesbian little girls and actual focus is on adults and adult themesnot a fan of the voice acting of the scientist, sounds like a very bad dubbing of an anime
>>147162107>Vivziepop maturingYou mean she's more acting like a normal person in her 20s? Because she sure as hell not acting like she's in her thirties.
>>147161796>But look at the state of modern Disney and tell me it doesn't derseve to be taken down a peg.This is precisely how we got Shrek, and it led to animation being revolutionized for the worse in the long term. Same is probably going to happen here- indie animation will "really take off" but it (and animation in general) will continue to deteriorate in quality.
>>147162100Does Twisted Wonderland anime count as this? Even then, there doesn't seem to be anything interesting there. The only other thing I'm interested in this present time is the Tokidoki unicorn cartoon.
>>147162112It's underage girls, not known for their introspective skills either.
>>147162017No. Disney is axiomatically superior to tumblr webshit.
>>147162148The AngelHusk shipper who killed herself was in her mid 20s
>>147162163You get the point.
>>147162163anon she'd have found something else to kill herself over if hazbin hotel didn't exist. mental illness is a bitch
>>147161963The only reference to him currently working on a pilot is this slapback where he casually mentiones it in an internet bitch fight when someone asked him where his pilot was. I wouldn't put too much stock into it as proof that anything is actually in development.
>>147162163I don't even think that was real. It was your typical "family member happens to know dead person's logins" drivel.
>>147160605>That's an immediate red flag, seems like Dana can't come up with another theme for her story.I don't know, Owl House was pretty thoroughly raped by the network. Maybe this is just the escapism story she actually wanted to tell
It's hard not to see "omg we're saving the industry by releasing another shitty youtube cartoon" as something that is very cynical and self-congratulatory. I am very near the point of giving up on Western animation entirely if this is the future. Disney and all TV animation needs a massive reformation.
>>147162224>'here is a trailer for something that might come out this year.'>'SELF CONGRATULATORY TRASH REEEE'
>>147162134Except Shrek was in completely different context, and what lead future animated movies was more on how much it made rather than what it was. I doubt if this becomes succesful other indie creators are going to look at it and say "yeah fuck Disney" and just make thinely veiled hit pieces at the mouse. Also, if you knew jackshit about animation history, Shrek was hardly the first time animators broke away from Disney and decided to get back at them in one way or another.
>>147160605>you should abandon your proven established style because ??At this point you're just looking for shit to complain about
>>147162224TV is dead in general. The future is streaming and internet. Let go of the past, grandpa.
>>147162243Shrek was like Watchmen, it had no agenda. no idea the damage it would do.
>>147162224>"omg we're saving the industry by releasing another shitty youtube cartoon"Literally nobody said this
>>147160509>bisexual female protag>and by bisexual we mean 99% dyke but we say in interviews that she also jerks off to guys sometimesEvery fucking time.
>>147160509It's going to be shit.Screencap this. If I'm wrong I'll buy Dana dinner at Outback Steakhouse.
>>147162238>>147162264Yes. That is the subtext.>>147162255Exactly why I said reformation.
>>147162267so
>>147161649FNAF beacuse it has Roxanne who is the best
>>147162267Based. Fuck dykes and dyke shit.
>>147162295Lesbians stop being hot the second they become canon. Velma is double proof of this since they did it twice with that movie everyone only remembers for the fluid animation during the "Dracula" speech and the Mindy show.
>>147162260And this will reflect how this show does with indie animation how? You seem to think indie animators work like corpo suits, seeing how one thing does well so they're just going to copy it, when that's antithetical to what indie animation is. If that were the case, why aren't we drowning in Helluva/Hazbin clones? To give some credit, animators know that shit doesn't work, and if they're going to make something, they want to make something that's theirs and not someone elses. And indie animation is relatively new in the grand scheme a things, older animated movies notwithstanding, it really can't afford to be so inclusive for what's made or not right now. Hell, ironically enough, there's only ONE honest to god, indie animated show right now aimed at children.
>>147161552i doubt it, Inside Job made many anti-Disney jokes and they didn't care
>>147162289What subtext? All anybody did was release a teaser, and some people think it's going to be good and others shit.
Much of the seethe in this thread feels like industry and DTVAniggers crying about Glitch doing well.
>>147160509Glitch and Dana? Wow it's going to suck so much. >>147160562With how popular tadc is I'm sure they're swimming in it. >>147160602Did goose not get rich off the show? If not that's gotta sting. >>147160563But that's the show she wanted to make
>>147161552Look at >>147119341 and >>147119353
>>147161552I don't think you realize how little Disney cares about you shitting about Disney. They have entire films recently where shitting on Disney is the joke. As long as you don't shit on Mickey they haven't censored any of it.If you get blacklisted from them it isn't for shitting on Disney (Hirsch did before and after GF and is working with them still), it's if you're an actual terrible person and terrible to work with
>>147160646Call HH and HB hack slop all you want but you can't argue it's not popular. It is concerning that society got this bad to where shit like that can become popular.
Qrd on the main writer? With MD and TADC I was familiar enough with Liam and Goosworx to give the shows a shot. I feel like I should know Dana but I know absolutely fuckall
>>147162224>I am very near the point of giving up on Western animation entirelyoh no. We're very concerned.
>>147162391>It is concerning that society got this bad to where shit like that can become popular.Milton had no idea how much he would fuck up western culture's perception of angels and demons when he wrote Paradise Lost.
>>147162245on /co/? That's odd.
>>147162333i'm not the previous anon. i'm just saying that shrek and watchmen didn't realise they would start massive trends that overhauled their respective industries.>>147162376theyre fine with terrible people too if you're easy to work with.
>>147162397If you know anything about The Owl House then you know all you need to know.
>>147162391Being popular doesn't make it not shit.
>>147162397She made The Owl HouseJust watch episodes of The Owl House and imagine if it wasn't made PG and you probably are getting what this is
>>147160937Doesn't change that she played into it. Most of the damn show is just lesbians thinking they're adorable and funny, with everyone being pals except one or two assholes who are treated like the worst scum of earth.She was also making a show for DISNEY. Even gravity falls was silly for most of its run. Yeah, there was some horror here and there, but there wasn't anything too deep. It was inspired by twin peaks but if you compare the two, TP is waaaay more fucked up and weird than GF ever was. Also, I remember some of her original drawings still had Amity and Luz go to school, so it was doomed from the start to be harry potter bullshit.
>>147162421The only thing I know about the owl house is that apparently the Stonetoss guy worked on it, and lesbians
>>147160565At least it wasn't "stereotypical fairy-tale character is actually a huge bitch", that shit's been played out since Shrek.
>>147162397My main worry with Dana going solo is that maybe her writing wasn't that good and that the best parts of TOH were actually held up by the other writers in the crew, and that her being alone and having full creative control might expose that, however the other two main writers from TOH are also on this so I'm pretty sure it's going to be good
>>147162448>the Stonetoss guy worked on ithe didn't, that was just a /co/ forced meme because both his and dana's styles have the lip thing (that's actually borrowed from manga.)
>>147161104Oh wow a parody of Disney, I've only seen that in every single thing ever. I'm so glad Glitch hired Dana for these never-before-seen ideas.
>>147162420That doesn't at all change the point. I doubt this will be the cultural landmark Watchmen or even Shrek was back in the day. It's not like people haven't shit on Disney or superheroes before or since they released.Part of what made Shrek and Watchmen, for better or for worse, was how unironically fanastic they were as not only pieces of satire by as pieces of media on their own. Not to say this will be bad or anything, but I really doubt its going to be that good in any possible case
>>147161796Disney sucks, but Dana also sucks. I can dislike both the creator and the company equally and spend my time watching things I actually like, from creators who didn't do The Owl House.
>>147161228Zach Marcus is this guy...
>>147162422I agree>>147162430Gay sex?
>>147162459from the promo picture it seems to be some kind of commentary on a 'princess' being a manufactured product
>>147162245>your proven established styleShe has made ONE show. What the fuck do you mean your "proven established style" like she has this huge library of work and not just owl house.
>>147162503How does one end up like this?
I just want to know that Luke thinks about this?
>>147162503he sounds like a /co/ user actually based on that. most normies dont even know what /pol/ is or why it's shit.
>>147162503That pic of Thorn just reminds me how much the Velma show destroyed her appearance. Honestly, even Jennifer Hale's performance in that series sucked, and I've never heard her turn in a bad performance even for other shit series.
>>147162511The complain was >wow fantasy escapism AGAINLike she has this huge library of works that's just fantasy escapism, the way Gunn's last 4-5 projects were all the same fucking ensemble ragtag team of superheroes
>>147162505Honestly if we get a sex scene that'd be pretty based.
>>147162463Owl House had really bad pacing imo. I think Amphibia did everything it did but better.
>>147160562Also one that underpays their employers because it's "indie"
>>147162519This announcement came like 2-3 days after he announced his show for some obscure right wing streaming service lmao
>>147160509As much as /co/ dislikes this, it already looks better than Owl House visually. There’s no smug stonetoss faces
>>147162535When you have only 2 projects and both are escapism fantasy then yes, there's a pattern, because it's the only 2 you ever have. Your defense was "well it has been PROVEN to work out" when it hasn't. Especially since her last show and graphic novel got cancelled.
>>147162538>Owl House had really bad pacing imo. Sure there were lots of production issues behind the scenes which->I think Amphibia did everything it did but better.Oh you're just trolling
>>147162503Ironic because his pfp is characters created by those "forgotten white men"
I just really hope it's not a "show with a message". The idea of someone being trapped in their own head, barely, by some sort of "lotus eater" machine is neat. But I don't want to be preachedbat about the evils of capitalism or some shit
>>147160509as soon as i saw this teaser i jumped on the site to see what my favourite unemployed had to say about thisalso excited about 2d animation>>147160534correct
>>147160562Yeah, Dana is missing out
>>147162603KEK
>>147162595she has robot torso, i think it's a grimmer scenario
>>147162603How the fuck does this happen?
>>147162603>Glitch shows regularly premiere with 300k viewersMan, Disney's on suicide watch.
>>147160509Not a fan of the whole cutesy (but actually it's edgy) stuff but I'm curious to see Dana's first non-kiddy cartoon.
>>147162603What's the Disney+ viewership?
>>147162603Beginning to know why there were so many funny animal cartoons before because damn, times are dire.
>>147162603I know nobody watches cable anymore, but that's bad even by modern standards
>>147162663it's not out on Disney Plus yet
>>147162663Not available there yet for some reason, just a vague "spring 2025" date
>>147162603Industry cucks blown the fuck out
>>147161267It turns out that some animators know what they're doing, and all they need to succeed is for someone like Glitch to throw money at them and stay the fuck out of the way.
>>147162603Smiling Friends gets higher numbers than this and it airs at fucking midnightNo way does this make it past a season
>>147162459Considering the stereotypical fairy tale character has been the stereotypical fairy tale character since, in the form we currently know it, the late 1600's (though historians have allegedly traced the origins of a lot of these stories to the Bronze Age), I'll forgive a handful of productions flipping that expectation and making the seemingly altruistic character a piece of shit. Sure, it's been done, but not nearly as much as the good guy just being the good guy.
>>147160521damn actually looks kino, though I'm not sure if Danas writing quality is something I should worry about
>>147161267>>147162712Glitch did the extremely smart thing. They realised "maybe if we focus on the production side, and bring in already established creators with a creative vision to be the minds behind the production, we can make some good shit together" and that's a big recipe of their success. They realized that them doing the showrunning themselves wasn't working (Meta Runner, Sunset Paradise) - but the moment they brought in Liam Vickers (Murder Drones) and Gooseworx (The Amazing Digital Circus) they hit the jackpot and started to make it big.
>>147162503Here's the future of indie animation bros
It feels like everything is going to end soon. When you read about how The Wild Robot was the last in-house DreamWorks film ever, that just translates to me as we're replacing everything with AI and Indians.
>>147162748> Sure, it's been done, but not nearly as much as the good guy just being the good guy.i think it's more about context. for example if modern disney does a movie where there is a prince charming who is a literal prince and also a good guy, aka stereotypical fairy tale. it would be their first traditional prince guy since... before tangled. so it would seem fresher than it maybe is.
>>147162773...And Temmers to help develop their actual production pipeline. I think the secret to their success seems to be that they recognize their shortcomings, hire people who can fill in those gaps, and don't let their ego dictate their decisions. If mainstream animation execs could do the same thing, they'd be successful too, but instead they need to insert their dumbass ideas, chase trends that will be dead by the time the animation is actually finished, and let their spouse and dumbass kid be their primary test audience.
>>147162801>When you read about how The Wild Robot was the last in-house DreamWorks film everReally? I thought they were already planning sequels.
>>147162748That's a very autistically literal way to look at things. I'm just going to assume that most people here are not hundreds of years old, and are instead 20-40. So by median, there's no quite a difference.
>>147162820now
>>147160534You must be new.
>>147162801The mainstream industry is going to collapse, but independent online series like this will be the future and get far more engagement and fandom then AIslop from major companies, kinda like how no one cares about StuGo or Hailey On It or whatever else Disney is airing vs Circus or Toilet
>>147162804Yeah actually. Completely forgot about that, but you're right. Kevin Temmer was a huge part to play too, I think they brought him in around Episode 3 - 4 of Murder Drones? And again yeah. Good thing about Glitch is that they don't think they can do everything with what they have and are constantly improving by bringing in new talent and giving them the freedom they need. Like you said, lack of ego is important here.
>>147162831God I fucking hate Calarts.
>>147160605I still can't believe a tranny currently has the most popular cartoon in the world, kind of depressing
>>147162801on a more optimistic note it might mean they're letting their staff work from home. though i dont know if the computers are that good.>>14716280490% of a successful company is just the people who make the business decisions not being retards
>>147162831i want glitch to collab with rebecca sugar.
>>147162832I think mainstream will keep shambling on until some big industry people (actually big aka not Dana) move to youtube and force Google to not fuck with monetization or another streaming service with a good setup for ad revenue gets serious about independent animation.Like I could see Amazon launch a sub brand of Prime Video centered entirely on their own shows and movies with ads instead of subscriptions.
>>147162869>90% of a successful company is just the people who make the business decisions not being retardsI miss when we had people with good money making skills and not tech bros hoping on the next big thing
>>147160509This is honestly a pretty big deal to have a former Disney showrunner going indieI had a feeling this would happen with Dana as she alluded to going indie not too long ago
Does anyone else feel overwhelmingly alienated by all entertainment? It doesn't matter if it's TV, film, animated, web animated, I just cannot stand anything new. My only entertainment refuge is old shit, and that feels like a sad way to live.
>>147162885They are going to try to pivot to streaming, and if that gives enough views they'll get showsThe caveat is that they are only going to want more reboots of existing shows, like Phineas and Ferb. Expect a lot of that going forward
>Knightsanything that has to do with the medium of knights I'm in Idc how shit it is.
>>147162897i do know what you mean. try and keep in mind a lot of old shit is still bad but you just don't realise it, as it is bad in a way that is novel to you.
>>147162603I mean this is bad, but TV ratings and internet views are different things. And even Owl House, while it had better ratings than this, didn't even have as much as a regular Glitch video. I don't think it's a fair comparison, regardless of how good or bad this show is.
>>147162931It's still funny to shit on it.
>>147162897You're aging, and getting old now. This is every generation ever. Just enjoy what you enjoy
>>147160605Creators usually have their own niche, no matter how much they try to divert. It'd be far more worse if it was something she doesn't know how to handle. And she's done grotesque/horror-like things before so she's definitely savvy and presumably did research/scavenging to get to those "goals" in cocerns to her art. Compared to Vivzie, who seems like most her work is more in a aesthetic term and constantly changing things around to appeal to others.
>>147162897I only follow film because I like going to the kinoplex.
>>147162962i think dana is a diehard weeb with fairly good taste in anime, but i can't remember what she liked.
>>147160534Good, that's what you get for caring for malicious reasons.
>>147162897Same maybe we're just depressed
>>147162897Because everything feels squeaky clean so it feels fake somehow. It's okay to go back to older media, but it's kinda bad also staying stuck in the past just like that.
>>147161796But even modern Disney is taking light jabs out of old Disney. Enchanted was constantly poking fun at the Disney formula. Frozen's whole twist hinged on that love-at-first-sight isn't real. Moana is a royal leader who doesn't want to be a princess with Maui making a light joke about how, "If you wear a dress and have an animal sidekick, you're a princess". There's a whole scene in Wreck-It Ralph 2 where all the princesses gather together and share tropes in a satirical way. Wish was the closest thing in recent years to a return to form but Disney was SOOO desperate for a financial hit at this point, they bogged it down with so much nostalgia-bait and slop that it became nonsense. The only princess movie Disney has made in the last 15 years that actually felt like a hopeful fairytale story was Tangled. Everything else has been characters going, "OH GREAT, ANOTHER MONSTER. FOR ONCE, I WOULD LIKE AN ADVENTURE TO BE SIMPLE! UGGHH, LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH" quirky, meta garbage. Nobody is truly mocking modern Disney. Nobody is pointing out how a company that told stories about dreams coming true is now telling stories about how all your friendships end eventually. Nobody is mocking how they just retell their old stories but way worse. Nobody is pointing out how all these modern princess characters have the exact same American white girl, adorkable, quirky personality.Everyone is STILL mocking stuff like Beauty & the Beast or Cinderella or Snow White. They're mocking true love's first kiss, singing to animal friends, wearing beautiful gowns, etc. I'm sick of terminally online people who normalize every mental illness in the book saying that "escapism is bad, actually!". Sometimes, you just want a story with a black-and-white view of the world where someone good defeats someone bad and falls in love. I'm not interest in a millennial liberal who lives on spite and grudges say, "Don't you know the world is GRAY SOMETIMES???".
>>147162897seek help
>>147162897It's been hard for me to get into anything new too. But I hardly watch the old stuff either. I think my attention span got fried.
>>147160562>>burn all your bridgesDisney is burning down by itself. No value there.>>go to a production company stitched by ducktape and has the capacity to collapses upon itselfTADC is mogging any Disney production HARD today. So i don't think Glitch should be worried bout that.
>>147160509>>147160521>what if something beautiful was actually uglyThis is the essence of Jewish media. Same thing with Owl House. Pure perversion, will not end well.Do not attach yourselves to programs like this. Make something beautiful and you will be rewarded ten times more than these people.
>>147160509Danna Terrance aside, the premise seems rather limited and uninteresting. Okay, so some weird creature is trapped in some place and made to believe they're a princess. I guess she either breaks free or doesn't. What else is there to do? I guess take some jabs at Disney, but that's been done before. So is the premise of a person stuck in a bad situation but made to believe they're happy. It doesn't seem like a story with an interesting world and characters like the other Glitch shows, just some mid tier drama that may be carried by gore and horror. And I do like that in certain shows, but not enough to be invested in a show just on that alone.Its also called KNIGHTS of Guinevere...and they didn't show the knights. I guess the people guarding the real creature are the "knights" in question? Seems dumb.
>>147163049Meds.
>>147160509Maybe Dana will actually create something worth watching this time. Owl House had some cool concepts and showed SOME promise.
>>147162897Oh that's depression. That's genuinely, not quirky Xwitter crap, actual depression there. Seek help.
>>147163060Probably should wait for more information. We don't know shit about it right now, of course it might seem dumb at first.
>>147163069Maybe Dana will create something meaningful without Sabrina Cotugno shitting over her projects.
>>147162993honestly, the only media i felt like actually homaged the old disney films with love was the steven universe movie, it had lots of sincerity in it.> a company that told stories about dreams coming true is now telling stories about how all your friendships end eventuallyi think this theme is one that would appear in an older disney movie actually. bambi can't be young and innocent forever, he must grow up and assume his responsibilites.
>>147163041Game of Thrones used to be big too
>>147160509Definitely looking forward to it. Although Dana definitely has flaws as a writer, she's undeniably a talented artist and has always had a passion for horror stories and 2D animation. Definitely excited to see what she can do with complete freedomIf nothing else it will at least look beautiful. Especially compared to some of the trite slop corporate is pushing out.>>147162538>>147162566Come on now anon, Owl House's issues with pacing and focus are mostly due to Disney meddling in production (shortening season 3, forcing the school to be more prominent), but Dana herself has some blame. The show has a very mixed focus especially in the first season. But despite all of this it still came out pretty good.
>>147163095what is she up to these days?
>>147162897I've felt extremely alienated by animation lately. And it's not just American, but European, Japanese, and indie as well. Which is a shame, because the shit I grew up with in the 90's is what made me love it to begin with.I think live-action is amazing right now. I might be one of the few people who stand by the Netflix algorithm because it's actually pushed some stuff in front of me I would've never discovered on my own. Kaos, The Platform, #Alive, Russian Doll, and Kevin Can F**k Himself are a couple of things that I really enjoyed.I had some hope for animation on Netflix. They had a few things that made me interested such a Kipo, Green Eggs & Ham, and The House. Even a few things that I thought were just okay but could use some work and was excited to see what else they could do, like Sea Beast and Wish Dragon. But that shit got fucking canned instantly, so I'm back to no hope.
>>147163060It will be a metaphorical post-modern romp starring Dana's self insert, and will contain autobiographical stories of her time at Disney. Critics will call it genius, normies will call it unwatchable trash.
>>147161104Disney deserves it
>>147163108If we're lucky, dead. But we aren't, so she's probably still trying to get her lesbian knight show greenlight.
>>147163108Making her Jekyll Hyde fujo webcomic.
>>147162897Just unironically create your own shit.>b-but time and effort!Just do it. Some incredible works have been created almost out of disillusionment and contempt before.
>>147163112That might be going too far. At most, I think it might be a big metaphor about being held down by big corporate types like Disney. Which is fine, the industry deserves to be shit on.
>>147163101>no correlationWere (you) trying to make a point?
>>147163135arent most cyberpunk stories about The Man shitting up everyones lives with capitalism? Might as well make it disney flavoured
>>147162012> What does it say about our society that two shows LITERALLY ABOUT GAY DEMONS are some of the most popular cartoons, even among children, right now?…that kids don’t give a shit about American culture war bullshit about “da fags and trannies are indoctrinatin’ muh kids!” They also don’t give a shit about any religious Satanic Panic bullshit.Despite what rightoid YouTube faggits like Clownfish TV or Razorfist will tell you, kids are more than happy to consume content with gays. Just look at anime and how popular it is with children and that’s a medium that is full of gay shit, not to mention how much anime fandom loves gay shipping. As another anon mentioned on this thread, Hazbin Hotel is basically to Zoomers and Alphas what South Park and violent adult anime was to us Millennial fags, in that it’s the edgy show with the no no words that you watch behind your parent’s back. Hazbin Hotel and practically every very other indie animation project is edgy, unique in its plot and design and honestly the fact that it has gay shit seems to make some kids want to watch it more. These indie projects also feel like projects with a passion behind them and that’s something you can’t say about the fucking slop-factory known as the modern Mainstream Animation Industry
>>147160562TWO MORE WEEKS FELLOW GOYIMS, TRUST THE CAPITALIST PLAN! INDIE WILL FALL!
it's going to be horror?
>>147161591>WOO HOO!~
>>147160605>>Another story about fantasy and escapismAnime was shit confirmed - /co/iggers.
>>147163098Yeah, but Bambi still ends with retained friendships. He doesn't completely leave the forest, he just puts his childishness behind him. His kids will probably become friends with Thumper and Flower's kids and the cycle of joy of life and pain of loss will continue. Even Fox & the Hound's "doesn't end with them together" still had some beauty to it.This is not just Disney, but a trend I've seen in other kids media, too. They all want to end with the iconic group splitting up with usually a more nihilistic view like, "We have to move on" or "Friendships can't last forever'. Toy Story 4, HTTYD 3, Hocus Pocus 2, Frozen 2, Steven Universe Future, Gravity Falls, and the weird abomination of Star Vs. that both wanted a happy and sad ending where our lovers get together, but everyone else dies. These don't feel like mature lessons about becoming a responsible adult or how an old friendship can still last in your heart. It feels people who drifted away from their college buddies. Woody's motivations in TS4 feels outright selfish at times.
>>147162603Do you guys rember when even the shittiest show premiere used to get 1M views?...
why do people still calls Glitch Productions an indie company when it's funded by Australia's goverment?
>>147160509>Dana TerraceThis is going to fucking suck which is a shame because it visually looks neat.The Owl House coasted entirely off of her obnoxiously catering to Twitter yurifags while anything even slightly interesting was barely focused on and she can't blame Disney if this one also sucks.>>147161104>Literally a mascot horror park plotWow.
>>147163060The title seems to imply it has something to do with the Arthurian legends. But we know nothing about the premise beyond what was shown so it's pointless to judge it now. I still remember when co called Murder Drones boring because of its initial premise
>>147163254>T. Disney producer
>>147162897Make your own concepts for media, it's extremely therapeutic (you don't have to show them to the outside world though)
>>147163135>Which is fine, the industry deserves to be shit on.It would make more sense to shit on the industry if independent works weren't also just trying to chase industry trends and audiences. Nothing about Monkey Wrench or Murder Drones feels like it COULDN'T have been a major studio project on like, AMC or Amazon or whatever.
>>147163247Glitch was given funding by the Australian government through some creative cobtent scheme early on when Glitch was first starting out.Now, since Murder Drones when Glitch started to grow, Glitch has funded its own production through fubds raised by its own sale of merch from its shows. It's independent. It doesn't rely on a larger corporation, group, or outside funding. Glitch funds itself and its shows, it's indie.
>>147163283They're not doing that though, you fucking retard.
>>147163233i don't know, maybe. i agree modern stuff often doesn't stick the landing and misses the point of why people invested in the stuff to begin with, but also people get oddly averse to stuff being bittersweet at all.>Gravity Fallsi don't know what you mean with this one. they're all still friends and stan even gets all his memories back, but the twins just have to leave because of school. >Steven Universe Futurehonestly i didn't like the weird plotline of him having ptsd and alienating connie, but him leaving beach city to find himself was probably the right call. it's said he will come back and stay in touch.>>147163254>animu girlopinion discarded
A new life in /co/, Owl Scholars. Tribe tranny is gonna freak.
>>147163254>The Owl House coasted entirely off of her obnoxiously catering to Twitter yurifags while anything even slightly interesting wasLate/post season 1, sure. Early on it coasted off of its visuals, the isekai trend, and Eda. The plot was always dogshit and so were more than half of the characters. TOH never really had any strengths other than the relationship between Eda/Luz, but that quickly felt second-fiddle to everything else (Lumity, le witch school, etc).
>>147163254Amity doing a 180 feels to fast for me. And Luz doesn't have any conflicting emotions about dating a girl? It all feels too perfect.
>>147163194>2 weeks until smaller groups of capitalism (who are at the mercy of alphabet inc) replaces capitalismso true
>>147163254Honestly, Dana got fucked hard, by both Disney and Cotugno, so i'm actually interested about what can she do now none of those are involved and she's full of hate.
>>147163311How the fuck are they not doing that? Hazbin Hotel was picked up by Amazon because it was such a seamless transition between an indie pilot and something profitable. TADC's streaming rights were picked up by Netflix for the same reason. Shit like Long Gone Gulch, Lackadaisy, and Monkey Wrench are made with the showrunners being aware and hopeful that a major distributor will pick them up. None of these projects are utilizing full independent freedom, in fact, you could argue things like LGG and MW are kneecapping themselves on purpose because they hope to be picked up by a studio.
>>147163254>>147163341You people never finished TOH and it shows
>>147163369Obviously. I finished season 1 and that was all I needed to do. Why would I finish a show that was garbage since day 1?
>>147163385It's funny you think you criticism of the whole show is worth a damn when you haven't finished the whole show
>>147163368Take your meds you seething cucked industrytard. Did your application to Glitch get rejected or something?
>>147161036>Way less people want to fuck zombies than they want to fuck clowns or robots.LMAOOOOOOOOO
>>147163346That is what bothers me about cartoon yuri. It is always portrayed as so lamely saccharine and perfect.>>147163369>>147163391If a show has a garbage first season why the fuck would I watch the second one?
>>147163385i finished the entire show, and S2 got surprisingly good. S3 feels rushed for obvious reasons but eh.i still can't recommend TOH as you still should endure S1's plothole landmine field to get the whole pic.
>>147163398I counter you, sir!
>>147163341belos was an uberchad though. only serious, non-stupid disney villain we've had in years.
>>147163424>belos was an uberchad though.Did we watch the same show? Dude got stomped to death in the lamest way possible.
>>147163424>only serious, non-stupid disney villain we've had in years.What other DTVA villains have there even been recently?
>>147163412This, why watch the Simpsons? The first season was shit which speaks for every other season
147163041>3 more films that made a Billion at the Box Office for The MouseYeeeesssss, truuuullllyyy burning themselves
>>147163391>it gets hood at the end, trust me!Always a retarded thing to day tbdesu.If a show is shit for its entire first season, why would I suddenly care during its final season? If anything, I would just feel numb/bored watching it.
>>147161109>Temmers recently posted experiments doing 2d animation with 3d rigs.Oh right I saw that, and he's working with Glitch. These people are going to make soulful 2D exist again aren't they? No more fucking tweenshit Toon Boon industrialized after Flash Newgroundfags unfortunately kickstarted
>>147163442>villain being defeat means they were never coolRetard argument
>>147160509at least it's 2d. but its in that western anime style. and about le dark horror beneath the cutesy mascot
>>147163453see >>147163444
>>147163463>ignores the whole stompy stompy partsure thing, king.
Cap this>They feed the children to the robot for their innocence >The robot is the mascot for Not-Disney>They feed the robot a special child that takes over the robot>She takes over and goes on a campaign to stop the evil >She finds other mascots discarded by Not-Disney and forms a rag tag group is broken heroes >One of them is a they/them
>>147161145How he does it looks more like 2D than 3D with a filter though. Kinda like Molly McGee/Hilda but more "old school rubberhose friendly"
>>147163320>Gravity FallsFor GF, sure, it makes sense that they have to go home eventually. But it's also a cartoon about supernatural beings, so it's not too much to suspend your disbelief that the Pines parents allowed Mabel and Dipper to stay with Grunkle Stan after they begged. Ford homeschools them and they learn lessons while travelling the world. That would be a fantastical happy ending, something a bit more escapist that people would wish would happen to them vs. they just go home back to their normal lives, attend school, and their cool uncles go on supernatural adventures. >Future>but him leaving beach city to find himself was probably the right call.It falls into the same idea as above. From a logical perspective, it makes sense. An adventure is realistically traumatizing, but that's not why people go to fiction. I think it's okay to explore Steven having PTSD, but I dislike that the solution is, "Go to therapy and leave your family and friends for awhile, they'll understand!". It couldn't have been a more optimistic ending, such as Steven spent so much time taking care of the Gems that everyone else wants to help him? The Gems + Beach City become one giant community, they have celebrations, they help the residents who help the gems in return, and everyone finally gets to end a period of peace time. Since the whole series is about the effects of a war, wouldn't that be the natural happy conclusion?
>>147163369Season 1 is one of the worst written and most uncomedic cartoons I've ever seenI've watched episodes of season 2 and it's the same but with more plot and relies solely on you liking there's a lesbian couple
>>147163442he got the oogie boogie treatment. classic villain stuff>>147163443good question. i guess i meant disney in general. magnifico from wish was a wet fart, which is a shame as i was looking forward to that movie.
>>147163486nice cope there, man.
>>147163393Just respond to one of my points with cohesion, anon.
>>147163320>stan even gets all his memories back, That was dumb
>>147163472>ignores the whole character up until thenSure thing king
>>147163283You seem desperate to try and equate these indie shows to industry slop and make them out to be just as bad, but just going off Murder Drones alone you're talking an hilarious amount of nonsensical shit. That show is good precisely because its completely its own thing, has its own unique style and feel, its own unique audience formed from Liam Vickers' particular fanbase, and no it absolutely would not fit in with any major studio because they absolutely would not accept such a schizophrenic autistic show that revolves around violence and eldritch mystery kino. In fact, such corporate meddling would practically ensure it wouldn't have accrued the fanbase it did because it wouldn't feel like a show from Liam Vickers. You're so blasted out of your brain by industry shit you don't even know what you're talking about.
>>147163444>>147163471NTA but the key difference is I can skip right to any episode in season 5 of The Simpsons can catch up. You can do the same with Star Trek TNG, another show famous for its crappy first season. That is one of the advantages of an episodic show; it's allowed to really find its footing and perfect its premise. You can't just skip to TOH season 2B and expect to enjoy it.
>>147163475What the fuck are you talking about?
>>147163484Watch more cartoons
>>147163484>Season 1 is one of the worst written and most uncomedic cartoons I've ever seeni remember losing my shit as i was watching TOH S1 at tandem with Amph S2 and it was so mindbogging how BAD written TOH was compared to Amph.The sports episode was utterly insultingly bad.
>>147161241Kill yourself tard.
>>147160509>>147161218Dana's art is great, better than what I can make. Storytelling-wise though, taking TOH for example, there's a lot of decisions I disagree with.Based on this little information, I'd bet it's going to look great but have a frustrating narrative (missed potential).>>147160707>The straight male ally characters are either too goofy to be threatening, or are not straight at all.
>>147163513Belos, the man who got cucked by his brother so bad he made a completely retarded plan to take revenge to the entire witch race all 'cause he was so much of a puritan cuck.
>>147163521Breaking Bad S1 is boring as fuck yet you have to watch it if you want the whole show to make sense because it's a serialized story retard
>>147163511TGAMM didn’t reverse the memory wipe at the end and everybody hated it
>>147163514>because they absolutely would not accept such a schizophrenic autistic show that revolves around violence and eldritch mystery kino.
>>147163542Breaking bad was good all the way through though and built up to something. There's a difference between having slow pacing and just being poorly written
>>147163542Breaking Bad S1 is amazing, what? Are you sure you didn't accidentally watch Weeds?
>>147163543>and everybody hated itJust kids got mad about it, i remember that being praised.
Never forget.
>>147163564And yet you have to sit through a boring S1 in both TOH and BB anyway, yet you only give a pass to BB because you're.. completely unbiased without an ulterior motive I assume
>>147163444The first season of The Simpsons was fine. Just not as good as the later seasons.
>>147161267Did you know the only reason Sonic got 3 highly rated movies because one artist that made pic related worked on both Sonic Mania and fixed the movie design and actively works with the directors to get the tone and lore right?Humble beginning from autistic people are the sole reason we have SOUL in modern times. Always remember that.
>>147163564Breaking Bad is only considered good by midwit normy millenials who don't understand Sopranos and are too midwit to pay attention to the Wire.
>>147163577When even fans of TOH are telling you to power through because it gets better, maybe it's not a show worth investing it.Nobody who likes Breaking Bad calls S1 bad.
Surely THIS will be the time she makes something worthwhile. Surely...
>>147163584Same with TOH t-b-h
>>147163593she'll just blame youtube and glitch "censorship" blocking her true vision when it sucks
>>147163478>the Pines parents allowed Mabel and Dipper to stay with Grunkle Stan after they begged. Ford homeschools them and they learn lessons while travelling the world.i think you're forgetting the show already put that possibility on the table and explicitly said it was bad. ford offers to homeschool dipper and drag him around the globe to be his lab assistant. and this is portrayed as deeply ignorant towards dipper's social and developmental needs, that dipper needs to be a normal boy who goes to school or he'll end up a weird little freak like ford.
>>147163593her work on gravity falls was pretty based
>>147163542>Breaking Bad S1 is boring as fuckNo it isn't. Maybe it is if you are the kind of retard that is able to genuinely enjoy the gay brown loli cartoon for anything other than the lewds.
>>147163606>Morals mattering in 2025
>>147163526Dana's forte isn't exactly her humor, sadly. She can coin some moment, but that's about it. Most women struggle with this given it's hard to write comedy involving women (which TOHs' cast has plenty of, most humor often times works with Eda best which makes sense since she does feel like a outlier for Dana in a sense), men usually are just better at it, regardless whether it's misogynistic or not. Amphibia has better written stuff in a more cartoonier sense. Women can only do black humor at best.
>>147163591And yet the person who recommended me BB told me to "power through S1" because he didn't get the slow burn aspect of it >>147163613Most people lack the taste to appreciate BB S1
>>147163577No. TOH just wasn't very good. For a kid's show it's fine but it can't stand on it's own two feet otherwise, literally the only reason it retained an audience was because of the lesbian stuff.>>147163588Never said it was the best show ever, but it's enjoyable
>>147163543NTA but it's a case-by-case thing. It feels cheap in Gravity Falls because Stan was making a sacrifice. A sacrifice with its stakes immediately reversed feels cheap. In Molly McGee, we didn't want Scratch to lose his memories, him and Molly feared it. Scratch could've made the decision to not return to his body, but Molly did not want to be selfish. A typical kids story would reward Molly's choice by making it so Scratch retained his memories.
>>147163588>only considered good by midwit normy millenialsBut enough about The Owl House
>>147160509>what if cute thing>BUT ITS ACTUALLY LE HORRIFYING!!!the absolute state of indie animation
How can anyone seriously be excited for more "Snow White but evil" crap? May as well just start watching all those terrible horror movies. Man I absolutely loathe horror culture.
>>147160521I should rewatch Ergo Proxy.
>>147163628in fairness, if stan gets his memories back then bill is alive again. so they wouldn't be getting out of it scott free
>>147160509Awww syeet I love Mechabare
>>147163606You could still work around that with easy banter between Ford and Stan. Stan's not gonna let Ford turn them into shut-ins like him, if they're gonna teach the kids, they're gonna teach them practical things like how to cut wood and forge a fake ID. Then Ford goes, "We'll work on the syllabus together" or something. It wouldn't have been that difficult to make it so the ending isn't just "the adventure is over, back to school".
>>147163634Animation fans have a very low bar for what's considered good. Most are just glad to not be stuck with watching 12 hours of Johnny Test
>>147162391Hazbin is just invader zim for zoomers
>>147161329>probably>probably >probably If you clowns don't know shit, SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU COCKSUCKERSIt's either "IT TAKES" or "IT DOESN'T TAKE" not "IT MIGHT uhh MAYBE erm COULD or ACKCHYUALLY"
>>147163182No, it means kids will slurp up literally any slop put in front of them, as long as it's branded correctly.What you're defending IS slop-factory output.
>>147163659Essentially, TADC didn't get popular because it was just that good
>>147163620>And yet the person who recommended me BB told me to "power through S1" because he didn't get the slow burn aspect of itI mean, you could be lying to me or just had a friend with shit taste, so I can't really comment on what your possible friend said. But the majority of BB fans would never call S1 bad. In fact, most people would say that the bath tub crashing through the ceiling is one of the more ironic moments and Walt's whole dilemma with Krazy-8 is one of the series highlights.
>>147163631Y'know I think this is the first example of that being a real thing in a proper indie cartoon since TADC is a comedy drama that /co/ shitposters keep trying to to shove into that box. It takes a real hack like Dana to make /co/ memes real.
>>147163619Doesn't help S1 was supervised by the same person who ruined Star Vs after Battle For Mewni.
>>147163631To be fair, try going indie in an age where the only thing kids care about is shit like sonic.exe, Five Nights At Freddy's (and similar games) and FNF mods that also do just that.
Kid things becomes public domain, immediately makes "what if kid thing but horror".Kid showrunner becomes independent, immediately makes "what if kid thing but horror".Who says creativity is dead?!
>>147163677nah helluva did an episode about cute goats killing people. also fuck off i guess
>>147160964I remember sunset paradise getting a mil views per ep despite how shitty it looked and how boring it was
>>147163653Zoomers are resonating more with IZ these days. HH is just spoonfed crap for mentally ill adult women.
i just realised if parts of mickey mouse are public domain, theres no reason dana can't include mickey mouse in her ebin gisnep parody
Shit isn't even out and doomsissies are already throwing tantrums
>>147161334Why is that? Because it's a puppet. It makes animation the only thing that matters, as everything else like design and rendering automated.2D does not lack those capabilities, the key is reducing the core appeals of trad 2D into parts that can be automated without it turning into generated slop. What made old work hard to work with was how unmodifiable it used to be. Now we got people actively trying to fix that in the wake of retards wanting AI to brute force it to produce a literal sloppy result.
>>147163647i still prefer what we got, but i respect your point anon.
>>147160824Amphibia
>>147161208I thought that movie was absolute shit and I normally love Hosodas stuff
>>147163677The trend of "cute thing but SUPPPER FUCKED UPPPP" has been ever growing across cartoons and video games since 2010. You can see influences and snippets of it everywhere, including in shit like Adventure Time and Undertale.
>>147163717Amphibia keeps winning
>>147160824Do you not count the number of Disney Jr. shows?
>>147163705average day in /co/pium
>>147160824The second season literally got split into two parts, wtf are you talking about?
>>147163705If a teaser is meant to generate hype, than the opposite is also possible.
>>147163398>>147163423I'd fuck both.
>>147160521Soooo, it's gonna be Meet the Pyro but a full series and treated as a drama?
>>147163774At the same time?
>>147160628This is exactly how I've felt about a lot of animation content lately and have never been able to boil it down so succinctly before.
>>1471637172019
>>147160509Hell yeah>>147160534Hell yeah
>>147163792there is plenty good animation out these days. /co/just doesn't talk about the shit that lacks shipping and waifus.
>>147163686Shut up retard.
>>147161474Shit covered hands typed this post.
>>147163835Sure, but because cable ratings are down the toilet and streaming just dumps all the episodes, a lack of discussion means the death for a show. I love Agent Elvis, but because it was dropped and not talked about, it was cancelled instantly. So it feels like artists are just looking for ways to easily get attention so their shit isn't DOA, and a lot of it feels like the same tactics that anime creators use. Shit writing, but it has cool character designs and lots of shipping.
>>147161647How would you know that, unless…YOURE LUKE!I CAUGHT YA SONOFABITCH!
>>147160602I imagine if it gets popular she gets more money in the long term. Like working in indie comics vs Marvel and DC.
>>147161552>If Dana wasn't blacklisted from Disney before she certainly will be after this kekWrong, tard. Didn't happen when Craig McCracken worked with CN, went to Disney, then back to CN.Get that fetish for creators to be blackedlisted checked by taking fucking meds already.
>>147163686That is general Vivzie edgelord nonsense where the contrast is part of the joke.>>147163727The fact that you had to bring up the bad ending from a video game kind of makes my point for me. I am guessing the Adventure Time example was also an episode where that was part of the joke.That is a really old trope that even 80's cartoons used to use.
>>147163946>Bad endingYou know there's a whole part of the game that is about "cute thing but it's TWISTED and FUCKED UP", right? AT also has plenty of serious moments where the cute, noodley characters suddenly experience real trauma and it's not treated as a joke.
>>147163973That part of the game isn't portrayed as cute though. You are in a a twisted and fucked up area where at the end it is revealed that the goopy monsters really aren't evil. If anything it is the exact opposite of the subversion trope you are complaining about.>AT also has plenty of serious moments where the cute, noodley characters suddenly experience real trauma and it's not treated as a joke.At this point you are just complaining about the show's visual style.
>>147161631It's good but episode 4 had more character development/interactions.
>>147164038You don't seem to understand what I'm complaining about. There is a whole aesthetic built around, "I'm gonna take a Care Bear, but it's gonna be FUCKED UP and played for horror instead of laughs!". This is very appealing to the edgy teenager and young adult crowd who have kind of moved past things from their childhood, but also want to engage with it at a "mature" level. Undertale absolutely does this. The entire game is about cutesy monsters with silly personalities and then you get a secret ending where you see versions of them that are abominations with ominous dialogue. Adventure Time started doing this, too, but not as overt as Undertale. The whole show is a simple, cute, doodle art style and then these silly noodle-armed characters will have their friends explode before them and they react with actual trauma and get PTSD over it. It's flavors of Pibby. Having a cute art style is a key part of what makes this aesthetic appealing to people. I'm not complaining about the noodle arms, I'm saying that's a key component of this type of formula. If Adventure Time looked like Venture Brothers or Primal, the horrifying events wouldn't be nearly as contrasted.
>>147163875why are you talking about your hands?
>>147163068Am I wrong?
>>147160534TsmtAbsolute aids incoming
>>147161058Dana doesn't want creative freedom, she just wants that one successful show to coast off of for yearsOwl House was supposed to be that and when it didn't turn her into a multi-millionaire that's when she got bitterIf this new show goes the same way she'll abandon it just like Owl House
>>147163659Every goddamn thing is slop with you people
>>147163332>Dana got a new show before the Mutt and his stinky lunch>Mutt is STILL at the mercy of The Mouse
>>147163444>>147163471You can not polish a turd and make it edible, but you can turn good food into shit.Simpsons is a comedy whose writers change with time. TOH is meant to be a plot/character driven show written by Dana. Its plot/characters were shit during season 1, and since the show is written by her past season 1, I know for a fact the rest is shit.
>>147164490Most things are slop.Only true way to secure non-slophood is to be homemade and with as minute a consumer base as possible.If you're making something to be consumed by a large group of people, you're making slop in some form.
>>147164556And what sort of riveting, thought provoking consumable do you have as an example of "not slop"
>>147164568Something a person made purely for their own enjoyment.
>>147164528Matt is making a movie with Sony not a show and he left disney first.
>>147163623>No. TOH just wasn't very good.And it gets better as you watch >literally the only reason it retained an audience was because of the lesbian stuff.Not really, it had some of the highest animation TV ratings at the time and the lesbian stuff audience doesn't watch TV
>>147164549>food analogy
>>147162748>though historians have allegedly traced the origins of a lot of these stories to the Bronze AgeDon't tickle my autism specialty, kid. There's a lot to be said about that particular field of myth reinvention.
>>147162018>Isn't there a time when one grows beyond internet slap fights?Why> Because you did it at 12 so you think culture should stop after that? How about you grow up and stop being retard.It's american culture, just digitized. If you hate it, leave.
