The issue that singlehandedly saved IDW's Sonic The Hedgehog comic series.
Any reason they have to drop it exactly on their base?Aren't they more or less in the wilderness?
>>147162864Restoration is a huge facility underground, supposedly this was the only other place to crash the ship instead of in the city it was flying over. It's kind of retarded but I think we can all agree it was for the best.
Nope, hiding this thread, not dealing with more of this shit.
>>147162841It's funny how she forgot that there were people inside the restoration HQ.Let's be honest, she hated that job and wanted to be free of it.
>>147162930>forgotThe best part is that she knew and decided it was less casualties than the city
>>147162841Why does everyone here have a beef against the Restoration? You'd think it was a rape factory with all the hate it's got.
>>147162955Good choice
>>147162841No. Lanolin should have gotten completely ass blasted for her poor decisions.
>>147162983Because it's not Fleetway/Archie/SATam; just a sanitized imitation leftover of forces.
>>147162841Didn't someone say they were gonna ignore this and still use the Restoration group?
I think Surge's character would be improved if sonic raped her.
>>147162983Because it took the fun adventuring characters and made them the justice league
>>147162996I forgive Lanolin because she is hot.
>>147163079Restoration still "exists" as the people who were a part of it, but most likely we won't be seeing it as a central hub tying down the characters to it outside of probably the DC.
>>147162983Why do you LIKE the Restoration? I'm genuinely curious, what do you think it's good for and how does it benefit the comic in any way?
>>147162841Am I supposed to know what this means
>>147162983Because it was a boring,underutilized, and derivative concept that was taking up precious space and serves as a reminder of said concept was done in past incarnations of the franchise
I have to wonder what kids reading this series think of the comic OCs.
>>147164024Everyone loves Tangle.
>>147164222She's an actually fun character so that's probably why
>>147163693Restoration fills the complete lack of authority without propping up any monarchs or government agencies. Or Avengers. No more kings or princesses. No secret military organizations or men in blacks. No capeshit round tables. Just average voluntaries.
>>147162925QRD?Or is it autistic dhit that o ly autist will understand?
>>147164469But why does Sonic specifically need that? What does that actually serve, outside of creating needless red tape that grinds the series to a screeching halt?
>>147164508To be a copy of the Freedom Fighters, because Ian won't let Archie go.
>>147164503Someone get this anon a glass of water
>>147164623And grab a QRD while you're at it.
>>147164222Tangle and Bunnie are the only comic OCs I would ever want in the actual games. Everyone else from both continuities can burn.
>>147164659>he wants the quick reandownSorry bro, wrong board.
>>147162841The way how there's not a single soul out there who cared deeply enough about the Restoration and its base to feel anything over its destruction.Meanwhile the destruction of Knothole in Archie was a hype as fuck plot escalation that dropped the jaws of many
How do we feel about sonic 3 movie? I felt like the movie was a little too silly but I didn't mind it at all. Found it charming even.
>>147163693You know you can just be NEUTRAL to something, right.
>>147164711That’s because the Freedom Fighters and Knothole were around a lot longer in comparison, so people got more attached to them.
>>147164711It also helps that Yardley is a better artist.
>>147164737it was really boring, barebones and by-the-numbers, didn't try anything cool or daring and wasted most of its characters. I don't think it was any worse or better than the other two which were exactly the same, but it's a pity because an SA2 adaptation would've been the perfect time to actually try hard at lore and cool action for a change
>>147164910Were you disappointed that there was no Biolizard?
>>147164885I maintain that Yardley did far more to revitalize the comic than Ian did, simply by having an art style that looked closer to what people would expect a Sonic the Hedgehog comic to look like.
>>147164928not really, fighting the ark itself was a good enough substitute to me. Tails and Knuckles didn't get any good substitutes for their levels though. Should've spent more time giving them cool stories and less time on "revenge guac" and robotnik's gay butler
>>147164679Literally everybody likes the pronghorn sisters.
>>147164737Liked it but my boy Tom didn't get to punch anything so that knocks its score down a point. - 1/10
>>147162983They're mad because it's I Can't Believe It's Not Freedom Fighters
>>147164949Knuckles had some of the best moments in the movie though and anyone who disagrees is mentally weaker than me, maybe physically weaker too.
If you didn't think revenge guac was at least a little funny, you take this franchise way too seriously. No need to reply to me and prove me right.
>>147165007>>147165021Being a consoomer doesn't make you strong or smart, it makes you docile and stupid.
>>147164711Baleeting Knothole was kino because it felt like something meaningful was happening, getting rid of Restoration felt more like they finally made a good decision writing the comic for once.
>>147165080judging by next issue the restoration's here to stay. Only thing they got rid of was the vague nebulous shopping mall area they're always sitting in
>>147164885I like him but he has kind of a big sameface problem and I can't unsee it after somebody pointed it out. Personally I prefer Evan and ABT but they're all great. I'd like Evan more if it wasn't for that strained look she always draws on characters' faces.
>>147165091Yes all the characters lived, but with any luck Restoration won't be everyone's home anymore.
>>147165057>>>/v/
Never understood why people keep saying nothing ever happens in IDW when it's telling some of the biggest stories in the franchise. "Muh status quo" is a pretty worthless argument when things also go back to normal after each game too.
>>147165092I disagree. IDW’s art has consistently been pretty unremarkable, and feels like it’s missing something. And the pastel colors do nothing to help it either. Evan’s also a model tracer, so it feels really stiff, and that’s unacceptable in a series like Sonic that was inspired by Felix and Mickey.
>>147165178Quit hogging the copium.
>>147165185I never noticed idw using much pastel colours. Mostly to me the problem is the uninspired designs like repeating nondescript "villages" in Green Hill Zone, the really stiff sega game models like you said, and the very weird thing they do where sometimes the artwork isn't even finished in half the pages.Did you read the 2024 annual? It's very noticeable there in the Mimic story. The first half looks like shit because the colorists just didn't start on any of them, then the second half are the pages they did do and the art magically turns good like night and day.
>>147165322Yeah IDW had a real problem with locations, pretty much all we got for 95% of the run were generic grasslands town, generic city, and Ian's all-time favorite, the abandoned Eggman bases.
>>147165185I know people accuse both Evan and ABT of using models but I've never seen anyone post proof, they just default to "dude trust me" and "it's so obvious" but they say it so confidently you'd think there would be a twitter or discord screenshot to follow it up. I think it's only "unremarkable" in the sense that they have to go as on model as possible without any wiggle room for adding more of their own styles to it plus it doesn't help when you have some fairly hype looking art paired with some of the most sanitized, least thought out dialogue the series has ever seen like when Surge confronts Sonic. The coloring budget seemed to take a hit sometime around Bad Guys iirc, I was informed by IDW copers that it was a stylistic choice but it doesn't look that good and even Archie managed to have basic lighting. So while I agree the art overall isn't as engaging as it should be, I attribute most of it to budget and on-model mandates considering what I've seen of these artists' previous work.
>>147165856Both Evan and Adam have admitted it but for stuff from like, five years ago. Other IDW artists have admitted to using 3d models for scenery or robots, but in general in the case of ABT he just knows how to draw solidly and on-model, and the same with Evan to the point she's now an official Sega artist, which to less trained eyes who're already set to hate things, looks like "traced".
>>147166040If they actually did admit to it then I guess that's one thing, no one else seems to have ever brought it up though and just defaults to yelling until the conversation is over. I think people just assume it's impossible to draw the characters that close to how they look in the games so it may just be jealous /beg/s lashing out.
>>147162864The ship was already coming down in the city and would've caused mass casualties. Jewel wanted it to crash on restoration HQ because there's comparatively few people there, and any lives lost would be people dedicated to the cause of protecting innocents. Sonic and Jet still sped ahead and evacuated everyone anyway.
>>147166146It's certainly not impossible, but I'm more willing to believe they trace every now and then than not.
>>147165322I hate to use the term, but it really feels soulless. Like they didn’t care or try to make it look good.
>>147166172I’m willing to believe it’s very often.
>>147165856>>147166040Comic books are a medium where the individual artist should express their own style anyway.Bad comics strive to be on-model character sheet/style guide slop. Good comics exploit their individual artists personal talent - sometimes it fails, but when it hits its legendary.
>>147166172>>147166362Just seems like pointless busywork.
>>147166349I wouldn't try too hard either if I was getting paid the minimum, had all these retarded mandates, getting flak from 30 year old autists online, and didn't even like the stories I had to draw.
>>147166689Then quit.
>>147164885
Lanolin would be the kind of e-girl that leave 112 angry messages if you're half an hour late to your daily Discord private meet-up and then act all cute and sorry about being so angry telling you how much she loves you. While she's surrounded by three dozen or more beer and soda cans/bottles. She also happens to only wear some ironic internet meme t-shirt and panties that look too tight for her.
>>147166757That's only looking at it from the perspective of a fan who wants a better product.
>>147166889This except the part where she pretends to apologize or love you.
>>147166689The mandates aren't as strict as the team is saying. They're held back by their own liberal biases and cannot write or draw at their best due to that mental block. That Woke mental block is plaguing all corners of the Western entertainment industry.
>>147167052It's a private meet-up and she's stressed out to the max due to her profession that she really isn't all that good at to begin with; Lanolin would definitely spill the beans, she's soo pent up she becomes a blabbermouth and adds meme pics next to her comments like 80% of the time. Occasionally her mom will even check in on her, causing a rustling of cans she has strewn over her dirty floor.
>>147164737Felt like a lot was missing, especially how Maria and Gerald didn't have a single scene together outside of when they were running for their lives.I liked it more than Sonic 2, but both 2 and 3 suck compared to the first movie because they're trying to adapt game plots whereas the first movie actually had breathing room to make something engaging.
>>147164503We've already had two threads about this awful comic over the last week and it's all the same bullshit on repeat.
>>147164737Three is decent, my brother and I will be going to see it a third time before it leaves theaters. It follows it's own continuity on the SA2 plot and does it's best with the limited run time it had. The first movie is still slightly better, but the third movie definitely blows the second film out of the water. There isn't like a 20 minute minute subplot involving that fat black actress, so it's a major plus.
>>147167156Forgot to add in the fact, there's way more of a run time with Sonic, Knuckles and Tails, along with Jim and Shadow, so, another major advantage over the second film.
>>147167156The annoying thing is 2 and 3 have the same "Sonic fights a guy similar to him but with a worse upbringing" plot. It's annoying because I like Knuckles more than Shadow, but Shadow just pulled it off better, so Knuckles feels very abritrary in the movies.
>>147167197Yeah, that's another reason why the second film fell flat, Knuckles' introduction felt forced and incomplete. Like, Knuckles could've been rescued by Robotnik or something as he may have been trapped on that Mushroom Planet as well instead of having that rock companion. Some pirates would try to swoop in, but Knuckles knocks 'em out, takes the rings and he and Robotnik escape. That would've been an improved intro and would've been more tragic when Robotnik left Knuckles to his own devices later in the film.
>>147162841No! Did Jewel get roboticized?
>>147167197>>147167232Also there'd be no weird "why is Knuckles a space pirate and why is that never addressed again?"
>>147167091I'm gonna be honest, I don't like her mom. I think it's a good design in general but it doesn't turn me on as much as Lanolin's design.
>>147167288Her mom isn't real, just her creator's personal musings.
>>147167062I was with you until the rent-free /pol/shit.>>147167132I went back to 1 and 2 recently and it was surprising to see how well 1 holds up in spite of everything it should have done wrong. On the one hand it's clear execs tried their damndest to make it boring CGI mascot with plain guy road trip slop but the shit they adapted from Sonic like Eggman or Sonic having powers turns into a decent enough superhero origin story instead. It's not great but it really shouldn't be as good as it is.
>>147167310Makes me wonder if 2 and 3 would have gone better if they'd tried to be less faithful to the source material.
>>147167310how is not wanting the creators to be limited by puritan-tier crap "/pol/shit"?
>>147167288Hey man, I ain't going to judge, Lanolin's a bombshell even with all of the IDW's teams attempts to make her as unlikable as possible.
>>147162841Sorry, wrong image.
>>147167320I don't know about 2 but I think 3 struck the best balance it could for normalfags and fans, aside from what it did to Live & Learn.
>>147164885Whatever happened to Yardley? I miss him.
>>147167397"He's an environmentalist now so that means he's redeemed, guys."How very subtle, IDW.
>>147167407They bring him in for special edition covers but never for full books.
>>147167406I don't know. I don't think they HAD to keep the "Maria had space-aids and Shadow was made to help cure her" part of Shadow's story, but without anything to replace it things just felt a bit more impactless.
>>147167413Hey, they can still make him based and make him an eco-terrorist
>>147167149If companies are allowed to remake, reboot, and remaster slop 24/7 then we're allowed to make the same threads over and over again.
>>147167197Knuckles feels way more fitting in the movies than in the games. The movies actually give him something to do and let him be a part of the main plot sometimes.
>>147167397Most overrated arc in the whole comic.
>>147167469>The movies actually give him something to do and let him be a part of the main plot sometimes.He's still third-wheeling it pretty hard in the third movie. It really doesn't feel like he was necessary.
>>147167442"Best I can do is safe-edgy and corporate approved political violence."
>>147167407Shat wherever he pleased without wiping himself off with an issue cover by abt.
>>147167477Tails was even worse.
>>147167432It works well enough for what it is and simplifying Shadow's backstory was probably a good move since his lore is pretty cluttered.
>>147167477That doesn't matter to me personally, for me if he is enjoyable to watch and doesn't detract from the story then that's enough of a reason to keep him in. I get that looking at it from a pure efficiency point of view you can say this and that are useless but for a franchise based on characters, sometimes having fun character interactions is more important than a perfectly coherent plot, as long as they aren't getting too in the way of the story.
>>147167491I hope Tails and Knuckles aren't major players in the fourth movie. Whisk Sonic away to somewhere else so they're not involved.
>>147167413Bro I don't know how to tell you this but Sonic is environmentalist at its very core. The whole series is built on nature being corrupted and overtaken by technology and it's byproducts. It's not subtle, it's just there.That's all to say that for a series built on it, when it comes to the environment, cleanliness is close to godliness. That's like, *the* way to show a character is redeemed under those themes.
>>147167527>Sonic is environmentalist at its very core.Yeah, but it's buried pretty deep under surface-level action and character tropes.
>All these retards thinking the Restoration is gone.lol, they already rebuilt it once.I give it five issues before it's fully rebuilt and thriving, and it'll be the core focus for the next thirty issues.
>>147167526This but instead whisk Sonic away to the offscreen sex dimension with Amy so the movie can almost entirely be about Tails & Knuckles.
>>147167527I think the environmentalist theme is overdone to the point where people will stop giving a damn about it. If you try to force behavior, people will just be resentful and full of spite. How activists haven't understood that by now is beyond me. Also, yes, I know some of the series have some themes like that, but it was way more subtle back then, now it's in your face all the time.
>>147167540Nothing about this franchise is deep, get out of your youtube reviewer mentality.
>>147167540That's the only part I like about this entire franchise.>>147167553What manner of person goes out into the still, wonderful forest and resents it?
>>147167527It's not environmentalist you retard, it's just about freedom over oppression.
>>147167566when the forest tries to smother you in vines.
>>147167579It just wants a hug.
>>147167549Big if true>>147167553>UGH stop telling me to treat the environment better or I'll become a contrarian about it and litter just because the kids games I'm still obsessed with espouse positive idealsLet me guess, you ghosted all your friends after seeing friendship in yet another Sonic story? Then fuck off.
>>147167584Well, if it doesn't keep it's distance, then a clear-cutting is in order. If I want to commune with nature, I'll go camping.
>>147167566>What manner of person goes out into the still, wonderful forest and resents it?City slicker zoomers unironically
>>147167584Anybody else disappointed Bunnie wasn't even a secondary character in SatAM?
>>147167593You wanna save the planet, go tell China and India to clean up their act, not me. The real problem is over there, oh Hero of the Earth.
>>147167599Why does he have a line on his forehead
>>147167613
>>147167608A lot of Sonic characters are nothing but a design and a quip here and there. That's all the fandom needs.
>>147167624Go tell that to the green freak calling people "contrarians" because they don't like being preached to.
>>147167613They can't, I need them to make all my stuff and serve my customers on the cheap.
>>147167627From how much fans go on about them, you'd think Bunnie and Rotor were big wheels in SatAM, literally the only main characters in SatAM are Sally, Sonic, Antoine and come season 2 Dulcy. Bunnie and Rotor barely do anything.
>>147164747When a concept is this omnipresent and suffocating, you can't really argue for neutral. The Restoration IS the comic now, despite it bringing nothing to the table to justify its existence.
>>147167627That's why sonicfags woop and cheer at mere references to characters or lore, it's what the franchise was based on.
>>147164910>didn't try anything cool or daring and wasted most of its charactersEvery important character to the story was utilised well. I'm actually impressed by how much of Sonic Adventure 2 was translated to screen.
>>147167646Rockwell was a complete waste of a character, everything she did should have been part of Walters' character since he actually had a reason to distrust creatures like Sonic.
>>147167630>a franchise having basic themes is being preached toGenuinely what is your malfunction?
>>147167636Bunnie and Rotor are pretty damn obscure, or at least they were back in the day when SATAM was running. Bunnie wasn't even in the early archie comic three quarters of the time, they just forgot about her like she was a one-time visitor.
>>147167655That's fair, but I wouldn't classify her as being important.
So is Jewel a robot now? Or is that Jewel Man?
>>147167674Bunnie's whole "versatile cyborg warrior" deal didn't actually happen until Archie issue 39, before then all she had was super strength, which was rarely ever utilized.
>>147167684It's just how they depict her wings moving
>>147167660>MACHINES BAD NATURE GOOD MACHINES BAD NATURE GOOD MACHINES BAD NATURE GOOD>heh what do you mean I'm preaching? it's called having themes, chudWhat do you gain by being so disingenuous?
>>147167432They literally managed to translate and expand on the core part of Maria and Shadow's relationship. They even threw in a direct tie to the Black Arms as a bonus. These movies don't get enough credit.
>>147167741"translate" I'll give you, "expand" is where you lose me.
>>147167747Actually showing scenes of Shadow and Maria interacting with each other does an even better job of selling their relationship than even the games did.
>>147167747Nta but they humanize Maria beyond just SHADOW I CARE ABOUT YOU PLEASE MAKE EARTH A BETTER PLACE
Ok fine what do you actually like about IDW Sonic?
>>147167660Because it implies industrialization and colonialism/ and imperialism are inherently bad when it's because of those three things that some people can be comfortable enough to bitch about both of those things. It's ridiculous. I get it, moderation in all things, it's common sense, that's why it paid to be subtle about it in the past, but now people like you are being way too in-your-face about it.You forgot about the "Moderation" part because you're scared that the World is ending or some shit when it's not. You've lost your marbles, you're annoying people with this shit and it's only going to bite your cause in the ass. sega is overdoing it, that's all I'm saying, buddy.
>>147167768It's the only thing that shows Amy is still in love with Sonic.Beyond that, can't think of anything. The art is often offputting, the writing and pacing is atrocious, the OCs suck and it constantly squanders any and all possibilities of being interesting.
>>147167773>sega is overdoing itOnly if all you do is play Sonic games. These things only come out like once every few years.
>>147167413You do realise what series this is, right?
>>147167784>pacingWhen you havehave nothing of substance to actually say
>>147167793Then sega should tone down the messaging then, why're pinning the blame on me? I'm not a billion dollar company. You people are the ones overdoing it.
>>147167801This. Sonic even explained, in detail, for the readers, right to Surge's face, exactly why he's ok with letting his rivals go after they've caused trouble.
>>147167801You do realize entertainment is supposed to be escapist in nature, right?
>>147167819Sonic from its inception was environmentalist. I dunno what to tell you.
>>147167811>You peopleI'm not a billion dollar company either, Rajesh. It's your fault for focusing so hard on a theme that only comes out once every few years for a couple hours at a time as if it was in your face 24/7.
>>147167829Flatulatam and archiarrhea are not the whole franchise.
>>147167830Bro, pro-environmentalist shit is in all entertainment in the last thirty years, you're being blatantly intellectually dishonest now because you yourself are an extreme environmentalist and you're butthurt that I don't share your mental illness.
>>147167840What is this language?
>>147167829it was 99% escapism and it was tolerable in it's messaging. You're the one who's full of it.
>>147167819Yes exactly, the theme of Sonic is to escape to nature
>>147167852Dr. Eggman is literally an industrialist chewing up nature, Sonic represents nature. These are literally the foundations for the characters.
>>147167861it was about freedom from oppression and tyranny more than whatever the fuck you're trying to sell to people.
>>147167843Kek, the mental illness is all yours my friend.
>>147167867Take your nature and shove it up your ass. I'll interpret it the way I want to and how it appears is a madman scientist who wants to run the world his way and only his way. Sonic wants his freedom. Easy. You want to save grass, I want freedom. I'll choose the freedom, thanks.
>>147167726Give it a rest, Ivo.
>>147167882>no u
>>147167803Since you don't seem to agreeThe Metal Virus story lingered on for way too long. It wasted so much time trying to up the ante and took way too long to approach its resolution, but then it brought in the Deadly Six, literally the most hated characters in all of Modern Sonic, just to prolongue the story a little bit longer.Opposite, Surge and Kit's story moved too quickly. They didn't even get to meet Sonic and Tails before discovering the stories Starline had sold them on didn't line up, and whatever they had planned for him didn't even get to happen because immediately afterwards Starline got killed by an unrelated accident. Since then all Surge and Kit have done is bum around without direction, and literally every time it seems something is gonna happen it gets tossed out for something different immediately afterwards.The Riders arc went on for too long just because it wasted so much time on the whole Phantom Rider detail, which also amounted to nothing in itself.Everything in this comic is either moves too quick or too slow, and somehow either way nothing interesting ever happens, only the setup for something interesting that never ends up happening.
>>147167888In Yuji Naka's own words. "Environmental messaging" in a series designed with that in mind is fine. You might just be too autistic to get it.
>>147167867Eggman is pro-nature, he helps out Chaos, Solaris, Dark Gaia, Time Eater, and even helps save Sonic's world multiple times.
>>147167904Yeah and he was subtle about it and it allowed for multiple interpretations of his work back then. How he wants to view it is his choice, but you only want one interpretation and I'm telling you to go fuck yourself.
>>147167904>it is down to Sonic to change his waysWhat do you know, I guess IDW's Sonic isn't so out of character after all.
>>147167921Sonic CD is as "subtle" as a brick thrown to the head. Even Sonic 1 was on the nose about it too.
>>147167921There was absolutely nothing subtle about it unless you mean the lack of dialogue in which case you might just be too autistic to even breathe without a cutscene to tell you how to do it lmao
>>147167906Just a friendly reminder, she's still considered a main character.
>>147167932>>147167933Sounds like to me to you two are incapable of coming up with your own conclusions and instead need people to spell shit out for you and to hold your hands. That's kinda sad.
>>147167953>incapable of coming up with your own conclusions and instead need people to spell shit out for you and to hold your handsYes, you need us to spell out basic themes of the franchise to you. Glad you noticed.
>>147167963What you're doin' is preaching and trying to force a singular narrative instead of allowing people to explore alternate avenues to reach a unique conclusions. Who cares if it's about environmentalism? That's not the point here. You're soo investing in proper messaging that you can see the forest for the trees.
>>147167946She should've been introducing right along with Mr. Tinker. Her whole arc had me wondering where the fuck she had been all that time.
>>147167976You literally had to get it spelled out to you by Yuji Naka himself what a theme of the franchise is. Dunno what to tell you. You can reach a "unique" conclusion that Sonic is secretly a bdsm fetish series, but you'd still be wrong.
>>147167995Who cares if I'm wrong, or right or in-between? Entertainment is about escapism, if I want to choose to ignore the artists' true intent, I'm free to do so and if I think his politics is misguided and would be better suited to express an individual's freedom from modernity, I'll also say it.Your envoirnmentalist message is short-sighted and misguided and you'd be better suited to focus on Sonic's love for freedom instead because I dunno if you noticed, but gas slightly warming the planet over the next ten thousand years isn't an issue, tyrants forcing you off your land and limiting what you can say and do is happening right now. Dr. Robotnik just trapped you inside of a metal box, but all you can think about is the trees he tore down. Where are your peoples' priorities?How can you save the trees when you and your friends are trapped inside of metal boxes??
>>147168028>Who cares if I'm wrong, or right or in-betweenWell you're wrong. If you want to run off, completely ignore the actual themes of the series and make up your own ideas about it, then fine. Just don't seethe when you're confronted by actual themes from the franchise.>How can you save the trees when you and your friends are trapped inside of metal boxesFunny the symbolism of Eggman exploiting animals to power his machines escapes you.
>>147167946Clearly not since she barely ever appears. That's like saying Cubot is still a main character in the games.
>>147167953You are actually projecting.
>>147167979Her introduction was such a nothingburger. They sort of build up a little mystery when they first show her then the payoff is so uninteresting it makes Sally seem exciting in comparison.
>>147168041Your inability to understand the importance of having multiple interpretations in escapist entertainment is astonishing. But, some people are narrow-minded, so, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
>>147168028>Who cares if I'm wrongStopped reading there. You care, that's why this conversation has gone on this long.
>>147168071I acknowledged this. You seethed, ran off, coped and ignored every basic point I made about this. Its insane what retards this franchise attracts.
>>147168074No, you seem to care if you bothered to reply to me to correct my wrong-think for this long. It's either one road or none with your type of people.
>>147168074>>147168079>>147168082
>>147168071Nobody is misunderstanding the concept of multiple perspectives on something, you're just ignoring the very blatant theme the creator himself spelled out for you in no uncertain terms.
>>147168079You didn't acknowledge shit, you obsessed over the nature crap and tried to push a narrative I couldn't be bothered to give a damn about. So who's the one actually seething here?
>>147168082With every reply you make, you unknowingly project more and more each time.
>>147168088>I'm seething but you replied to me so who's really mad here?Erm...
>>147168087Because the creator himself was subtle when he made the games. If he was as narrow as you say, it'd be a Captain Planet rip-off or something to that effect. He intended for it to have multiple interpretations, Freedom from Oppression bein' one of them.
>>147167946Throw her in a woodchipper and bring Sage into idw canon
>>147168088>You didn't acknowledge shitLet's go over this conversation, statements from the creator of Sonic. Pointing out Eggman poaching and using animals to power his machines. Etc, etc.What point have you made? You've just been bawling about basic themes, and stating how actually none of it matters.
Gotta go fast
>>147168108>Eggman literally powering his machines with animals.>Every zone ending with you freeing animals>Freeing animals with every machine you destroy>Zones gradually starting out natural and ending in a metallic hellscape>Sonic CD.Yeah, its really subtle.
>>147167627>A lot of Sonic characters are nothing but a design and a quip here and there.Because it's a video game series.
>>147168113You have this obsession over seething and bawling, why you sit down and chill for a while, bud. I'm just stating this obsession over nature was excessive and misguided. If you lot want to keep obsessing over it, be my guest, complain about others' interpretations all you want.
>>147168108>environmentalism is when Captain PlanetYou see freedom from oppression and the environmentalism in Sonic as two separate entities which is why you've been losing your mind throughout this whole thread, but they're intertwined.
>>147168126Sonic freed the animals and kept himself out of the clutches of a Tyrant so they can save their world. Seems to be more than just just a theme about nature.
>>147168127Hasn't been since 2003. It's a merch series with video games as advertisements.
>>147168142If you're losing your mind about others having a more expressive and open imagination and mindset, then go see a therapist, don't take your anger out on me.
>>147168141>obsession over nature was excessive and misguidedThese are quite literally the basic, foundational ideas about the series. Dunno how to break it to you.>>147168148You can argue that, if you want and I would agree. But the environmental themes are a large, large part of the series. It is not even subtle about it.
>>147168158Kek you may be expressive but you're anything but open minded.
>>147168160You're talking as if it's the central theme of the IP and I'm not-so-sorry to say, but you're incorrect there, bub, the creator of it might say it's more directed to the nature bits, but it's all about Sonic freeing his friends and others from the hands of a madman Tyrant. You're not planting trees at the end of stages, bud.
>>147168173>You're talking as if it's the central theme of the IPFor the Genesis games? It absolutely is. It's still a theme by Sonic Adventure, and its the focus of games like Sonic Colours. >You're not planting trees at the end of stagesInstead you're freeing poached animals. And in the case of Sonic 1, CD, etc, you literally are planting flowers.
>>147168183You're mostly freeing the animals while the planting of the flowers is the end result of downing Dr Robotnik. So yes, you're partially correct there. However, the means in which Sonic accomplishes his goal is ensuring his own freedom first and then others.
Hate sameface garbage. Make some new characters that don't look like they were created in a 'make your own Sonic character' flash program from 2005 please.
>>147168202>You're mostly freeing the animalsYes, freeing the animals... who are being captured and exploited by Robotnik. This is such a basic and on the nose theme, that I am truly baffled you do not get it. >planting of the flowers is the end result of downing Dr RobotnikWhenever Sonic defeats a badnik in Sonic CD it literally plants a flower. True ending of Sonic 1 sees you literally plant flowers with the power of the chaos emeralds.
>>147168213...and all of this is accomplished because Sonic took the initiative to free himself from an oppressive system that was looking to lock him up in a metal cage. You can't plant trees and flowers without smashing those chains and gettin' your hands dirty, bud.When a system is oppressive, be like Sonic and go feed that Tree of Liberty. Ya like them trees dontcha?
>>147168221You are being deliberately obtuse here. Sonic being a defender of nature is the point. Only Sonic forces made a point about it "fighting" oppression.
I applaud however many of you are trying to kill this thread about the shitty IDW Sonic comic faster through misdirection with all the shitposts about environmentalism, very clever.
>>147168230You cannot defend nature while being trampled on by a fat man with a big nose and you're calling ME obtuse? Come on. lol
>>147168242Does anybody actually like the IDW comic? Never met a single person that enjoys it.
>>147168255Shippers.
>>147168253Yes, you're being deliberately obtuse. The only game off the top of my head actually about fighting an oppressive system is Sonic Forces. Themes of environmentalism is far more prevalent.
>>147168242I'd rather talk about the interpretations of actual creative works instead of bitching about ideological hacks like Ian, yes. ;) That and post sexy sheep.
>>147168258Sad. I remember back when Sonic was primarily a video game for little boys. It's for autistic girls now 100%.
>>147168265Blame ArchieSonic and its drama.
>>147168265Personally, I like to draw porn of these female Mobians in this continuity, but reading that feminist dribble ain't my thing.
>>147168275I liked the Archie Sonic comics in the first couple of years. The one with Metal Sonic was great.
