Norse or Greek?
>FANFICtos vs FEATSura
>Kingtos is so powerful threads get deleted now
What is the biggest fraud and overrated characters in powerscaling
>>147187604
>Kratos willingly drains his godly powers/immortality into the blade of olympus>the blade of olympus can be used to remove the godly powers/immortality of the enemydid I miss something or is this a bit of a logical leap?
>>147187633He’s gonna end up depowering Asura ain’t he?
Ash vs Yugi is unfair.It's a literal 2 v 1.
>>147187633I mean given the thing also drained the powers of the Titans, no it's not a huge leap.
Is CHADtos the STRONGEST CHAD in the upcoming DEATH BATTLE?
>>147187851Dragonborn
>>147187841When did it do that, I thought the only Titan it killed was Gaia in 3 since the blade never actually got used on any of the titans in 2’s flashback
>>147187633>>147187771Asura isn't a god though. The Demigods/Gods in Asura's Wrath are not actually divinity. They are the descendants of human's who had the power to govern Mantra thrust upon them by Chakravartin. After this, they developed an advanced society around and about the usage and cultivation of Mantra.Mantra is weird though. It might be divine energy, since it exists through the existence of Chakravartin and upon his death Mantra ceased to exist. But it also might not be divine energy since it comes from humans prayers (and later through factory processing humans and their souls). So it is iffy.
>>147187880Kratos used the Blade of Olympus on Kronos as well.
>JOBtos is such a jobber he makes entire threads JOB
Someone just has to get Cory Balrog to say if Kratos could destroy the Earth if he wanted to.
Yo
At this point I'm questioning WHY?If you really want Kratos to be this mega multiversal godslayer, shouldn't he go fighting Wonder Woman or Thor? Or maybe Mario for that console war buck?Why insist on a stomp match against an obsecure game where one character will inherently look retarded fighting in the other character's style.
>>147187944… which he has never shown the ability to do in any of the games.
>>147187951Spectre vs Demi-FiendStreet Sharks vs High Guardian Spice
>>147187953FRAUDtosfags went for Asura because deep in their hearts they KNOW they wouldn’t have a chance against Thor or Wonder Woman because they’re too popular, if FRAUDtos beats Asura it’ll be solely because they don’t want to upset his fanboys by having him get demolished by a literal who.
>>147187957I know that. I believe that he can't. I just want an anchor. Something I can have to root people in place rather than let them go hog wild with lore scaling.
>>147187951Sailor Moon vs Sakura Kinomoto
SHITsura is old news, when is KINGtos gonna fraudcheck Sun Wukong?
>>147187974>Wonder Woman>PopularBut yes, Kratos vsfag fanboys are the problem.
>>147187951>>147186646 <--This.
>>147187974>Thor or Wonder Woman>last movies flopped>"""they’re too popular"""
>>147188133Wasn’t Asura’s game like 20 years ago?
>>147188141Turns 13 this year.
>>147185505>JOBnicbottom tier joke
>>147187604It fluctuates depending on whatever dog shit media is trendy with power scaling tards, but some common offenders include capeshit fags, Ben 10, GoWfags, Sonicfags, Mariofags, and toon-forcefags. Really though anything that's both popular and an autistic dipshit magnet tends to have bad/biased powerscalers.
>>147187951Shota vs Futa
>>147187951James Bond vs Inspector GadgetJC Denton vs Agent 47
>>147188225Favorite verse?
>>147188124I'm disappointed cause I found some good Demon art but nothing congruent for the Martians, so I had to settle. Does this work?
>>147187604only one true answer exists and it's this guy
>>147188236Naruto
>>147188237That works. Thanks!
>>147187604Kratos.Good runner up is Castlevania.Say what you want about Kirby/Capeshit/Mario/Sonic/Ben 10/Dragon Ball, they get wanked, but at least they have something to their wank. A feat or two that is impressive or is cosmic.
>>147188133Thor is in Rivals.Also, Ragnarok shitting the bed doesn't remove him being in all three of the important MCU phases.
>>147188236One Piece
>>147188240I contest on the grounds that pic is so dogshit for the community, there's literally a word for how hard they "stomp" anyone else
>>147188189>fanfic tier listDid? Not peruse a single word.
>Kratos struggles to fight an anorexic old man with chicken wingshttps://youtu.be/Y5CwubgrgFMThis is your “multiversal threat”?
>>147188296Both of them are complex multiversal beasts that erase Asura's verse with a fart, your point?
>>147187951The Harga (Midsommar) vs the Natives (Green Inferno)
>>147187928I keep forgetting you even fight him
OH NO!HE'S NOT GONNA GO3 - 0
I feel like a lot of Kratos’ lore statements are gonna go the same as 9800 IQ Bowser
>>147188339Death Battle daisychained Kratos off of him. Kratos beats Cronos beat Ouranos so Kratos is stronger than the Primordials (ignore that Surtr is a Primordial).
>>147188296They were both dead
>>147188296I find it funny Wiz treats Icarus' wings like this legendary item but like, it's literally just feathers held together by waxNot magic feathers Not magic waxJust normal ass seagull feathers and normal wax
>>147188383To be fair, Icarus got pretty far with them
>>147187532>Norse MythsMany Realms. Odin jobs to Fenrir.>Greek MythsWallpaper Universe. Zeus Vult.Zeus rapes both verses.>Thor vs WWThor.my explanations, my arguments? no needed
>>147188383Crude skingrafting too.
>>147187953>If you really want Kratos to be this mega multiversal godslayer, shouldn't he go fighting Wonder Woman or Thor?Or Demi-Fiend
>>147187953>MarioIt'd just be racist Mario shitpostingMight as well get actual Flashgitz to animate it, would still be more in character than Mario vs Sonic 2
>>147188307>both of them are STREET LEVEL JOBBERS that JOB to FEATSURA'S verse
>>147188363It's funny they mentioned that when it had no baring on the fight at all.
>>147188278Don’t they statcheck top tier sci fi civilizations like the Forerunners? They’re not overrated if they really are that strong.
Whatever your opinion is right nowon who's stronger in Kratos vs Asura it is ultimately irrelevant because the STRONGEST CHAD will be undisputed when he WINS and DOMINATES his match, leaving his defeated opponent forever remembered as a weak jobber BITCH
STATEMENTos stomp incoming
>SISSYtos vs FEATSURA
>>147188236Dragon Ball
It's going to look so bizarre watching Kratos fight like Asura. Is he going to be flying FTL with Icarus' wings once Asura blows up the planet they're on? Does he need to breathe, I forget. Or are they going to need to downplay Asura to fight like Kratos just so the dissonance doesn't set in?
>>147188415Is that what JOBsura tells himself every night?
https://youtu.be/m_CO5BuQ__E?si=nJ_Eqd4qClHopBgIAlready better than the actual battle
>Goku vs Superman 3 is now in Spanish I didn't expect that...
I can list over 50 heroes that can kill Kratos, and they're not from Marvel, DC, Dragon Ball, or any other of the widely wanked series brought up in these threads.
>>147188583You're gonna list the king of heroes 50 times?
>>147188608Literal chump change to the ones I can list.
Wonder Woman?MY CONCUBINE!
>>147188615What would the kid be like?
>>147188615Big talk for the guy who gets pegged by Storm lucky bastard...
>>147188613Drop them
Who should she fight?
>>147188582Mexican Wiz sounds.....so fucking punchable
Aside from Dragon Ball, has there been a Death Battle fandom as annoying as Kratos'?
>>147188665DCattle
>>147188651Ursula Callistis
>>147188576It’s so dumb seeing Kratos move like that
Why am I such an all-powerful LEGEND who DOMINATES even the mightiest CHADS in all my matchups?
>>147188643Heroes that can defeat Kratos, no diff:Lord Mito, Gekko Kamen, Yusei Oji, Nana-iro, Messanger of Allah, National Kid, Iron Sharp, Kenya Shonen, Ogon Bat, Mephisto, Akuma-Kun, Captain Ultra, Akakage, Sanpei Kawaharo, Larero, Giant Robo, Andro Mask, Barom One, Arashi, Kikaider, Inazuman, Kikaider 01, Robot Detective K, Condorman, Evil, Xavitan, Gabra, Kagestar, Bellestar, Skyzel, Grounzel, The 7 Ninja Captors, Bibyun, Bashaan, Zusheen, Zubat, Daitesujin 17, Phantom, Shooting Star, Machineman, Kitaro, Byclosser Ken, Byclosser Gin, Lady Battle Cop, Hakaider, Changerion, The Blader, Hojinki, Kuretsuki, Rikshinki, Zebraman, Wingman, Gavan, Sharivan, Shaider, Juspion, Speilban, Diana Lady, Helen Lady, Metalder, Jiraiya, Jiban, Fire, Walter, Bikel, Solbraver, Sol Jeanne, Soldozer, Knight Fire, Draft Keace, Draft Redder, Draft Blues, Janeperson, Gun Gibson, SWAT Sig, SWAT Show, SWAT Sarah, Blue Beet, G-Stag, Reddle, Phantom Thief Matenrou, Friedrich Stronheim von Zigomer IIIrd, Paipai, Ipanema, Poitrine, Thutmouse, Otohime,
>>147188808I have no idea who these dudes are
>>147188808Are you just using this as an excuse to ahow ofd your taste?
>>147188842Toei live action tokusatsu heroes from 1955-2024.
>>147188808This is the most random nothing list I've ever seen>WalterWho even is this KEK
Low chance for this mu but the connections are there Also>Planet level Zearth>Solar system level Little Tail Bronx/ Soul Cannon
>>147188895https://metalheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Walter
>>147188808>Lady Battle Copthat was a cool movie... but she's literally street level...
>>147188917Exactly. That's why she no diff's Kratos.
>>147188917Damn, so she’s only strong enough to fight game feats only Kratos, the only version of Kratos people care about……….
>>147188557why would Asura blow up the planet?
>>147188932>"FOR THE FUNNY"- Asura
>>147188390It still fucking retarded thing to say about them.
Post Kratos destroying a planet.
>>147188895It's literally a list of Toei's live action super heroes from the 1950's to today. Minus Japanese Spider-Man, Kamen Riders, Super Sentai and Live Action Sailor Moon.
>HAHA LETS DOWNPLAY KRATOS EVEN THOUGH HE SCALES HIGHER THAN YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER Nuke this general
>>147188950>kratos scales to... uh... HE CAN TOTALLY BEAT A NUCLEAR POWERED ROBOT THAT ACTUALLY CAN DESTROY PLANETS LIKE DAITETSUJIN 17
>>147188950doesn't feats only Kratos mountain level?
>>147188950>
>>147188950Not Sailor Moon
Post Kratos nodiffing a tree.
>>147188651shit series. kysdo not ever post it here again
>>147188250To be fair, castlevania is stupidly haxed to the point of insanity.
>>147188932Well if Kratos is as strong as people are saying, he's going to have to fight like he did against Chakravartin. That's going to involve destroying planets and stars.
Post Kratos traveling without a dog sled.
>>147188999no it fucking isn't, fucking Homelander could solo the verse that jobs to wall level guys with whips
>>147187532I'm already probably not going to watch this death battle. There's like at least a quarter dozen things wrong with Kratos preview alone so I know the actual battle will be a disaster. Insist that Atlas wholes the cosmo When this is literally never stated anywhere. Insist at the Primordial battle happened in real time when the narration and visual suggests otherwise. Giving him access to weapons that he doesn't have any more and Shouldn't be able to work any more according to lore.Acting like icurus wings Are super legendary weapons that let him control the sky. When in reality , they're just seagull wings hot glue to sticks. So we are without of doubt we're getting a full composited fan fiction Kratos who will be fighting dragon ball z style against canon Asura. The only silver lining in this is that hopefully be the MU that will be the one to completely destroys any credibility this show has after the whole omniman v Bardock shitshow.
>>147188278Nah. Xelee is stupidly overpowered, the problem is that they get stomped like a limbless summer ants against the true god tiers of SCI-FI (Nemo ex machina as an example)
>>147189007he only destroyed those when Chakravartin threw them at him, and besides it'd be super OOC for him to destroy Earth
>>147189014what have Homelander done to you?
Stone Cold Steve Austin can stomp a mudhole in Kratos and walk it dry.
>>147189020I wonder where the 600 seconds timing comes from. If you go off the visuals, then it's more like five seconds.
>>147189020>I'm already probably not going to watch this death battle.Get on my level. I haven't watch anything after the Macho Man Match
>>147188557 They are likely going to massively downgrade Asura Performance. While massively upgrading Kratos Because that is literally the only way this fight can visually work . It's like having chosen undead fight namek saga Frieza
>>147189061We basically had this with Dragonborn
>>147189028>it'd be super OOCthis is death battle, anon. Feats are more like OUT-OF-FEATS. OOC is not that differebt from an OOF
>>147189047The narration said the fight lasted an eternity So what we saw was very very very very likely just a sped up version Of the primordials battle. Not that it matters to Kratos dick suckers.
>>147189080Yeah this whole series is oof alright.
>>147188906The Solatorobo guy is for the MC of kemono giga.
>>147189098At least the animations are sometimes fun, gotta give them credit for that Mumbofag.
>STRAINING, EVERY MUSCLE AT THE BREAKING POINT, Kratos neatly folded Asura’s Street Fighter T-shirt fresh from the dryer. “C’mon boi,” Kratos shouted to his wife’s son, “that’s one shirt down, 99 to go. Time to get to work.”
>>147189094Maybe that's why they extended the time frame, I dunno.
>>147189105Just started that series and got to the chapter where he goes berserk on that scissor thing. Without spoilers(if possible) where does based shotaboy scale?
>>147189119Uh....Like building level? I mean, Red probably curbstomps HARD, but there have been bigger stomps before.
>>147189067No we didn't. Dragonborn Performance wasn't massively nerf. And CU performance wasn't either.
>>147187604I'd say Kratos off hand. The likes of Sonic, Mario, Ben, Toonforce and such at least have a personal showing of the character doing some crazy thing personally on screen or something. Kratos has none of that. What's more, the creators of his own series have repeatedly stated that the wank is bullshit which would make him a worse case of >>147188240 Except with Demonbane it can get at least get by by being a massive fuck you cosmic sized mecha
>>147187633Asura isn't a god and mantra is different. Even then he effectively has infinite amount so it'd just be another Giorno VS Joker situation where he'd try and not get anywhere. More sensibly Asura would destroy the sword like he did with Wailing Dark
What side is Goku on? FEATS, or STATEMENTS?
>>147189185Used to be feats, now statements.
>>147188368Its funny because in the preview they posted text that basically said that Atlas was manhandling him with just two fingers
>>147189153Probably... We'll just scale them by who has the more based catgirlfriend
No one will EVER KNOW.
>>147189185Weird mix of both.
>>147189189Goku’s solo feats can be counted on one hand and most of them come/came from statements.
>>147187604Kratos angenda pushers are bad, but I haven’t seen them actually fake scans like the DMCfrauds did.
>>147189202I know that what makes the preview so retarded . Can you imagine how the actual fight going to turn out ? They said that Kratos scaled to Atlas when in the same scanning post.It says that Kratos helpless against him. I swear to god the research team didn't even read the scans they were given
>>147189067Not really. CU and Dragonborn operated on generally the same level (aside from DB having way more hax via shouts). They were your medieval fantasy sword and board style dudes with magic mucking about the land
>Xianxia has both stupid feats and statements
>>147189214They don’t fake scans, but they do ignore author statements if they don’t align with their insane fanfic feats
>>147189220I am fairly certain they know that. They are probably going to nonsense wank both sides to make it seem 'close' in some fashion regardless like they've been tending to. This one in particular will be extra weird though because they are going to have to put side by side clips of a guy who needs a dogsled to travel and struggles to lift generous mountain/island sized stuff against a guy who was punching on screen supernovas and headbutting through a manifested non hollow celestial body that made earth look like the size of a grain rice
>>147189185>universal shockwave >Jiren shaking the infinite void feats
>>147189214They have been caught faking scans numerous times.
>>147189214They also tried to get a fan book explicitly made for power level shit made semi-canon
>>147189214Kratos agenda pushing have no redeeming quality. They Fake scans too just Dmc fags They're also extremely pushy and push to stupidest arguments known to man.Dragon ball fandom is annoying.But at least they never resorted to forging their evidence via making fake wog scans like Kratos fags.
>>147189315It was just a fanfic on Google Drive. Forty pages, I think? Far from being a novel.
>>147189275>>Jiren shaking the infinite voidThat never happened, since the WOV isn't even infinite
>>147189185Worse...SCALING and MULTIPLIERS
>>147189383>MULTIPLIERSIs math really that scary
>>147189251Or their researchers are idiots or they assumed their fans are idiots who wouldn't pause the video to read the scans they're posting to make sure it matches what they're saying.
>>147189418Multipliers get you dwarf star level saiyan saga characters when destroying a planet is supposed to be a huge fucking deal at Frieza's power lvl
>>147189459In the anime planet namek's explosion was multiple solar systems length in size.
Galaxy level pussy
>>147189571Does Morrigan has any good matchups?
>>147189506No it wasn't
>>147189613Vampirella
are there any series besides skibidi toilet where the creator is surprisingly autistic and consistent about the powerlevels
>>147189652Suggsverse
>>147189634https://youtu.be/uV2XEHKDMYw?si=cqonsr8yX83dQQOyYes it was. Go to The 1:55 mark
>>147189652He even had Mothership directly obliterate a Mountain as a showing of power
>>147189713Yes, it's a planetary explosion, you can distinctly see the planetary fragments clear as day scattered in all directions from the center of the explosion, foreground and background, and they're not multi star-system sized, because that would imply they got bigger, and that would be fucking stupid, though that wouldn't stop some baboons from believing it it seems. Just because an undeveloped low IQ spic on Youtube who doesn't understand perspective told you it destroyed something else doesn't mean you have to believe it, Pablo.
Sonic does beat Goku tho
>>147189050Oh you should at least watch the BowsEgg fight. It is such a labor of love on the part of the animation team that worked on it.
>>147189571>Galaxy level pussy>>147189613Maybe not good but I like >>147189642
>>147189185He exists in a narrative of serial escalation, so feats based on scaling based on assuming the series keeps following next foe stronger than the last (minus Beerus).
>>147189332They kinda sorta did. Dragon Ball was the subject of fake media for a bit before the internet made it so much easier to confirm information. That's how we got shit like SSJ5. Of course it is completely different from trying to win points in battleboarding.
>>147189347I skimmed it, it was so much ass. Like there were so many paragraphs of esoteric powerscaling buzzwords. Most annoying was that they ended it on a cliffhanger of Kratos fighting the Demiurge and it doesn't even make sense.
>>147189964The author is Muslim and ended up getting into huge Twitter fights over the Israel/Hamas conflict, so they might have left before finishing. Alternatively, it could be that they just lost interest once it became clear that Matt wasn't biting.
>>147189927>minus BeerusThis is pretty funny cause when you take the statement from the show that he was at 70% at BoG-era, and Toriyama saying that SSGku is a 6 to Beerus' 10, then from BoG to currently, Goku at best got around 1.0005x stronger, since we know he has yet to reach Beerus' 10.
>>147189971Nta but that name on the screenshot, I saw it on the sharty, there's someone there who larps as Kratos and spends time making soijaks, he's on their booru I believe.
>>147189989Based.
>>147189951>>They kinda sorta did.No they It's a kind of sort of didn't. I don't recall any point were the db fandom fake scans about conversations Is they claim to have with Dragon ball creators. That's the kind of desperate shit you only see done by Kratos fags or dmc fags.>>That's how we got shit like SSJ5.Ssj5 was from Dragon ball AF a fan manga made toyotaro before becoming Toriyama successor. You have no f****** idea what you're talking about. And I have no idea why you're trying to defend asshole who that fake their evidence.
>>147190007Yeah I found him lolhttps://booru.basedjak.st/post/list/user=Warrior-Z/1
If I, a total lanklet, shank a circus strongman and kill him, and then a literal child shoots me in the face, is that child actually stronger than the circus strongman?
>>147190101With the use of a firearm, yes. So it's more like the firearm would be stronger than the circus firearm, if wielded appropriately.
>>147190101Yes
>>147190031I am not defending the fake screenshots. I just meant that in the early internet, people more easily spread misinfo like that. Like the original SSj5 Goku image isn't even Goku or Super Saiyan 5, it is a fan character named Tablos in a fan form named Soul Killer. It was submitted to a Spanish hobby magazine in 1999 (which is before even Super Saiyan 2 appeared in the dub).It was just an innocent game of telephone back then. I just wanted to share the info about the fun fan thing snowballing into people believing it was real.
>>147190134>>I am not defending the fake screenshots.Yes you are totally trying to defend it. Your argument doesn't even make sense. >Because making fan art of a hypothetical super saiyan form 5 . >And lying about having a conversations with the series creators and faking scans of this nonexistant conversation to use for powerscaling .Are two completely different things.Yes making fan transformations is fun. And normal healthy fandom behavior. lying about talking to creator of the series to use for power scaling and spreading misinformed isn't normal healthy fandom behavior. You are trying to defend this shit passing it off as normal fandom behavior by trying to act like these shit is the same thing And it's disgusting. I don't know why you're trying Defend thos liars or trying to make their dishonesty look normal
>>147189275How was the universal shockwave not a statement? Sure it happened but the part where it could threaten the universe was. if it was close why didn't the fight with Broly have a similar effect?
>>147189202But they didn’t even try to scale him to Atlas (even though you can just scale him to Kronos who’s better anyways), they just said that he fought him, which is true.
>>147189418SSG and SSB don't even have official multiplier. Even the difference between them doesn't feel that big anymore because blue Goku would have speed blitzed the vast majority of the ToP contestants.
>>147190134The issue is that these fake conversations were widely shared on battle boards and VSBW for months, leading many to believe they were real. They were only removed after a dev confirmed they were fake. It seems they were intentionally made to mislead, not just as a joke. Creating fake conversations to argue a character is higher-dimensional and spreading them without clarifying they’re fake isn’t just a "game of telephone."
>>147190295>>they just said that he fought him, which is true.Except even that's only half true at best.They've never actually fought one v one .Kratos chained him to world Pillar with Zues gauntlet When altas was trying to destroy it.
>>147190256I'm not defending the fake scans. Though I mostly just think they are pathetic for tying their self worth to getting internet points enough to the point that they are willing to lie about it. As for dishonesty getting normalized, yeah that is definitely a lot scarier with the projections deep fake developments. I don't even mean in the battleboard space, but like a team of organized bad actors could make false information about shelter during a natural disaster. That shit is spooky.I honestly didn't mean to come off as defending the screenshot fakers. I come to these threads mostly to ramble into the aether.
>>147190290Because the shockwaves were shown traveling through the afterlife and the kaioshin realm Which are all outside the living universe. They also created a ball of light/ki that engulfed the whole universe ,afterlife and kaioshin realm onscreen too.
>Kratos is 1DOh nonononono
>they're using loreshit for KratosSo does Asura just lose?
>>147190401Was this in the manga?
>>147190644Yeah, pretty much. Enjoy the ride and 2 weeks of shitposting, anon.
>>147190644One of the numbers they mentioned in the Kratos preview was like 41 Quadrillion times lightspeed, so
I want all of you SISSIES to remember crying here like the little faggots you are, doubting our glorious CHAMPION Ashura.What the fuck is wrong with you? Don't you know that when you fight you can't allow yourself to think on anything but your Victory?Ashura will HUMILIATE Lore wank Kratos and murder Statement scaling for good.
>>147189502FANFICtos sissies... We lose to FRAUDerman...?
>>147190647>>147190401Super is an anime only show. The Super manga is a promotional manga that advertises for said show made by Toei. That said, I prefer the anime original where Zamasu's vile immortal soul actually encompasses the entire universe rather than just using bootleg meta-cooler clones.
>>147189185Its been almost exclusively statements since Z.
>>147187604PokemonMarioSonic
>>147190682I don’t care if Asura wins or loses. What bothers me is that toxic Kratos fans—who faked scans, harassed devs, doxxed people, and silenced anyone who disagreed—are getting their fanfiction vindicated by Death Battle, almost like they’re being rewared for their dishonesty.
Everyone above this post is a base Thor victim.>b-b-butI HATH SPOKEN DOG.
>>147190709>left to right formatting, but panels are to be read right to left
Can asura get multiversal with wank?
>>147190861Wanna explain this son of Odin?
>>147190647the manga version of Super is the least canon version of Super as it contradicts the most canon version of it the movies
>>147190996No, he quite literally caps out at universal when he killed Chakravertin and wiped out the mantra in the universe freeing his daughter from being used
>>147190749>who faked scans, harassed devs, doxxed people, and silenced anyone who disagreedsurvival of the fittest Lenard
I hope they acknowledge that while Kratos was generally getting fucked by the Gods since that day his brother was taken in The Ghost of Sparta, a lot of Kratos' misery is his own fault for being a terrible person which why he's so ashamed of himself in the modern games. While Asura had anger issues even before the betrayal, he was always a well meaning person. Even at his most angry in his Berserker and Wrath states, it's stated he never harmed innocents and would even avoid killing the lower demi gods.
>>147190999>Thor only using 0.0000001% of his strength to not break the buildingMY FUARKING HERO
>>147189613Nyotengu
>>147190651>>147190659>wordswordswords is going to beat actual on-screen feats of powersheesh
>>147189185Statements mostly. The issue with most Dragonball feats is that, post-Namek, we don't really get any meaningful or logical sense of scale. We never see anyone do anything more impressive than planet busting (universal shockwaves be damned, if that were actually true the Earth would have been evaporated being so close to the impact) outside of movie filler (which, og Broly destroying a galaxy doesn't make any god damned sense with how he's portrayed in the rest of his film. Logically he should be around Perfect Cell level and Perfect Cell isn't doing shit like that).
>>147190996If they go Buddhist wank sure.
>>147191593No matter who they choose to have win you just know the verdict section is going to start with them going "oh boy this is going to be a controversial one...". Either they piss off the Kratos/fanfic fags or admit feats mean less and piss off everyone else
>>147190996>take Asura and Chakravartin's dialogue about the world while light-years outside of Gaea plus Chakravartin gesturing at general space when talking about it to get world=universe>add Chakravartin talking about other worlds in that same scene>now mix with the endless Naraka description>and for the final touch take the omnipotent description for Chakravartin Tada! Maybe you could also stack a dimensionality on top of it but it is pretty wanky already
Feats don't mean lessEverybody was talking shit about them saying omniman beating bardock but omniman won that fight on feats bardock wishes he had. Even if the verdict is kinda strange. Because they used the sundisc statement.
>Cronos scales to Uranus because he cut his ballsack while he was off-guardI don't know Kratoswankers this is pretty low even for you guys
>>147192048So was she just swimming in his testicles ?
>>147190401>Because the shockwaves were shown traveling through the afterlife and the kaioshin realm Which are all outside the living universe.But enough about Bleach.
Let's just be patient and wait for the outcome.
>>147192151patience is a virtue... that is unattainable here.
>>147192016The “feat” was contributing to 1/3rd of a planet-busting effort. Which then somehow got calculated into being 14x planet-busting. Fewts are meaningless if the hosts aren’t even gonna calc them correctly.
I'm sorry for the fans of my game (all four of you) but I'm already kneeling by watching the Ghost of Sparta's mighty preview hopefully he'll show me mercy by the time of the "fight", if you can even call it that
>>147192016I know that bardock is technically featless. But Omniman has worst ap and durability feats than Roshi. So not the best example.
>>147188772Omni-Man...
>>147191679>>Statements mostly Except for the literal multiple on screen shows I don't like. Like Majin Buu or Broly both wiping out a galaxy on screen and Beerus and Goku ' s attack engulfing the universe,afterlife and Kaikoshin realm in the anime.
>>147192439Post Roshi destroying a planet
>>147192498Omniman couldn't destroy a planet with 1.25x earth gravity without the help of 3 other viltrumites and a death ray And he almost died in the process. Where as roshi completely vaporized a moon on his own in seconds which is actually way more impressive
>>147192489>Majin BuuI don't remember him doing that.>BrolyKinda I guess. He didn't totally wipe it out since part of the movie afterwards still takes place there. Also movie character.>Beerus shockwavesDid jack shit and never came up again
Kratos preview for those interestedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ehWidYxCCA
>>147192546>>I don't remember him doing that.He does it in a flashback in z and in Kai So i am not sure how you missed it https://youtu.be/ZQ_UHDkHtzQ?si=dqXGgOIMBCRP2pi5>Kinda I guessThe guy who directed that movie even said broly is capable of wiping galaxies. Which i'm pretty sure was the intent of showing him destroy a galaxy. >>Did jack shit and never came up againBecause Beerus neutralized it . And Like the whole plot was Goku trying prevent it from happening again.
Who will do my laundry?
>>147192539So you can't post Roshi destroying a planet? Also a third of a planet is still more impressive than destroying a moon.
>Jobniman >Barjob Both are victimized by The weakest Touhou Girl
>>147190644Nah, he'd win
>ENDLESS BOUNDLESS POWERKratos ZISTSTER
>>147192606Less than a 1/4th actually he needed a death ray to perice through the planet to destabilize it's core first and he almost died.
>>147192659>Trikaya/unlimited Asura >>> Chakravartin The Creator >>> Dharmakaya/Destructor Asura > ChakravartinGOWbros...c-can we go back to feat scaling?
>>147188240>Game actually comes out in English >Suddenly hype and notoriety gone, even among Mecha and visual novels fans.I dunno if it's a fraud powerlevel wise, but it certainly seems to be a huge fraud in regards to relevance.
>>147192684>Beyond concepts I don't want fight Asura anymore...c-c-can I fight base form Spawn again...
Okay but why's Joker (persona) such a RIPPED, PHYSICALLY IMPOSING CHAD?
>>147192762Alice is a "RIPPED, PHYSICALLY IMPOSING CHAD"?
>>147192762His teacher Groomed him into that
>>147192571>He does it in a flashback in z and in KaiLooks more like he's just planet busting really fast. It's what the dialogue is clearly talking about too. Buu can destroy a galaxy.... if you give him enough time to keep blowing up planets.>showing him destroy a galaxyExcept for like the two or three planets that were still in South Galaxy when characters traveled there. What, did Broly miss them somehow? He shouldn't have if he can wipe galaxies with a single attack>Beerus neutralized itAnd what about all the other, even further god tier fights later? Why does it not come up when Cell MAX or Broly are going full tard rage? Shockwaves are at best a Beerus/GoD only thing.
>>147189866ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? It literally shows covering a portion of a galaxy. You mongoloid
>>147190651>2 weeks of shitposting, anonIt isn't going to be just two weeks, anon
>>147192794Last I checked Joker didn't turn into Alice so no
>>147191265>thor is only like island level at his peakI don't think you understand percentages
>>147192552Why did they use the "my wife's son" soiface Kratos
>>147192571Kill yourself listtroon.
I'm a Kratos fan and just want him to fight on the scale he's actually done in the games because I like the character, not as a lump of dubious statistics. I'm sure he's going to win but if it's at the cost of animating him like a DBZ character there's just no joy in it.
>>147193117Who would've been a good fight for Actual Kratos? Actual Dante?
Alright, new thematic connection, both have highly controversial sequels
>>147193127Pit
>>147193133As always, Japanese metalwork eats shit
>>147193127It's always been Asura. Kratos' destiny is to job.>>147193246Pit is for Firebrand.
>>147193133KC:D is obnoxiously realistic, so Jin wins unless Henry has charles atlas feats of his own
>>147192955Of course the spic lacks the spatial thinking to understand the fundamental basics of perspective, look, Juan, if you put your hand in front of yourself to cover up the sun, your hand doesn't magically become bigger than a star, you smelly beaner, that's called a background object, farther away from you, but that's not the main issue here.Let me explain it in baby terms since they don't teach this to work at home depot. You. Can. See. The. FRAGMENTS. from every CORNER OF THE EXPLOSION. Left, right, front and BACK. If an explosion covered a diameter measured in thousands of light years, those planetary fragments? WOULD. NOT. BE. VISIBLE. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Let me dumb it down even further, an object, gets smaller than you the further away you're from it, at even just 1/millionth of a light year distance? That object would not be visible at all, at a distance of thousands of light years? That's basically an atom. Here's an analogy to make you understand it, Manolo, that would be like trying to see a strand of cell from the moon.I get the meme that Dragon Ball fans can't read but this is something else, forget media literacy, this is extreme mental retardation, instead of watching clips of Dragon Ball on Youtube and parroting jewtubers, go back to middle school.
>>147193332>Still no Eva match on Death Battle after an entire decadeDoes the DB crew hate mecha?
>>147193322Henry gets merc'd by two peasants with pikes at his strongest. This is accurate.
>>147193332Holy shit, this is pathetic, that is not how it works, you retarded nigger.>B-But the fragmentsDo you really expect fucking DBZ to follow physics
>>147187604Monika.. Makima…. Gojo. .. Goku.. . Fates series … Kratos… . Sukuna… Umineko series…
>>147192838>Looks more like he's just planet busting really fast.Brother did you not watch the whole video or did you somehow not notices the giant fucking galaxy in the background get erased?you know destroying a whole galaxy in a few short years like shin said would required at around multiple solar system level power>Except for like the two or three planets that were still in South Galaxy when characters traveled there. What, did Broly miss them somehow? He shouldn't have if he can wipe galaxies with a single attack.1.) the south "galaxy" is actually made up of multiple galaxies. as confirmed by Jaco in DBS when he said the north galaxy contain countless galaxies.2.) they are trillions of planets in a single planet one or two surviving doesn't mean anything. that's like saying i didn't kill you because some of your cells are still alive.>And what about all the other, even further god tier fights later? Why does it not come up when Cell MAX or Broly are going full tard rage? Shockwaves are at best a Beerus/GoD only thing.didn't Broly and Gogeta collapsed a dimension in their fight? Beerus v Champa fight was going to destroy both universe 6 and 7. not sure why it should in danger the universe in every fight.
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>>147193332this is the dumbest cope ever. explosion covers a galaxy onscreen t's planet level because of fragment. 1.) how did you know these fragment only appear at the 1:57 point after it already covered multple solar system. how did you came to the conclusion the fragments must be from planet namek and the other solar systems in the blast/
>>147193364Of course the spic provides no rebuttal, not that you could, I already know you're parroting others without thinking, are the fragments visible? Yes? Then the explosion didn't cover interstellar distance, let alone a galaxy. This "debate" is over since evidence was already shown.
>>147187604I am.
>>147193470WE LITERALLY SEE THE EXPLOSION, YOU DUMB GORILA NIGGER, IT LITERALLY COVERS A PORTION OF THE GALAXY >ERM ACSHUALLY THERE WERE FRAGMENTS OF BUILDINGS AFTER HIROSHIMA WAS NUKED, SO THE BOMB IS FAKE
>>147192571>>147192838What is the manga version of this anyway?
>>147193470So the fragments from the multiple solar systems blowing up are actually just from planet namek and not the multiple solar systems blowing up. make sense...in stupidland maybe.
>>147193459WEAKu…
>>147193021Why are u a retard
>>147193459Gokekxirs…
>>147193493Yes, we see the explosion, explosions varry in size, from a grenade to the big bang, I said this earlier, learn what a background object it, if you're near X, and X gets bigger, you won't be able to see the background, that's how it works, if a grenade exploded in front of me, I won't be able to see what's in front of me, I would only see? The explosion, my field of view would be covered, that does not mean it destroyed everything in the background, that's perspective, this has to be bait, there's now way someone is legitimately this stupid.>>ERM ACSHUALLY THERE WERE FRAGMENTS OF BUILDINGS AFTER HIROSHIMA WAS NUKED, SO THE BOMB IS FAKENo, spic, that's not what I said, speaking of Hiroshima, that would be like saying Hiroshima destroyed a cluster of stars because it was large enough to cover up the entirety of the camera's view.
>>147193459GOKUSISTERS EMERGENCY DISCORD MEETING NOW!!!!!!!!
>>147193540NTA, but why are you asking this question in the death battle thread
>>147193459AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE
Dragon sisters please tell me what arguments should I use here...
Dragon Ball fans would tell you this gun is larger than a star, look how it covers the sun, look how big it is.
>>147193550and why do you think the fragments in the explosion are just from planet namek and not all the solar systems we see caught in the explosion?
>>147193568Have you tried downplaying your opponent?
>>147193574Sundisk?
>>147193459>That's 1.5x African ElephantThis was post cell saga. Meaning Goku was likely stronger here. >Goku?Consistent
>>147193574this is literally the omniman sundisk scaling in a nutshell
>>147193606KWABku…
>>147188772My FUARKING Emperor!!
>>147193607
>>147193568Clearly you need to downplay your opponent.
>>147193647DBsissies got so cocky that they forgot one crucial fact. They cannot read
You guys wonder why these threads keep getting deleted?
>>147193647The one that with just "I think I miss Homelander" was better
>>147193403>Brother did you not watch the whole video or did you somehow not notices the giant fucking galaxy in the background get erased?I did. It's called 'cinematic flair' or do you 1st form Frieza is bigger than Namek>would required at around multiple solar system level powerDepends on how big the galaxy is and what kind of time frame.Also, it's funny that you're so trusting in Shin, the guy who constantly spews misinformation.>as confirmed by Jaco in DBS when he said the north galaxy contain countless galaxies.So a statement by a characters decades after Broly's movie was written, in a completely different continuity?> they are trillions of planets in a single planet one or two surviving doesn't mean anything.Most people when they hear destroyed expect complete destruction. And it's not just planets, considering the planet has a day and night cycle and a star filled sky, means Broly must've missed a shitton of stars.>didn't Broly and Gogeta collapsed a dimension in their fight?No, they trancended into another one. They clearly didn't destroy their home dimension, so why would the seizure dimension be destroyed when they went back the same way?>Beerus v Champa fight was going to destroy both universe 6 and 7So a fight between two characters who at full power would both destroy Goku?
>>147193498It's not in the manga at all.As far as I know, manga feats are limited to planet level with Cell claiming he could blow up a solar system (there might be a loose statement about a villain being a threat to the universe/galaxy).
>>147193722There's nothing to wonder about.
>>147193568just copy the opponent's strat of using terrible logic and out of context filler scenes to downplay.
>>147193730>I did. It's called 'cinematic flair' or do you 1st form Frieza is bigger than NamekThere is a difference between cinematic flair, and destroying a fucking galaxy. The latter actually happens
It takes three Viltrumites (+ help), not holding back, to destroy one planet.Meanwhile, one Saiyan can casually destroy three planets.And Bardock is literally equal to this guy in power level.
Yugi beats Ash simply because Ash is dumber than Joey
>>147193722>FLORIDA EVERGLADES
>>147193785>And Bardock is literally equal to this guy in power levelIn his dreamsAlso sundisk> this shit.And if you think the Sundisk feat contradicts the story then we can apply the same level of scrutiny here.This was a filler scene, not meant to be taken literally. We know Saiyans can't survive in space so that already tells us KV couldn't just do this the way is shown, also they conquer planets for Frieza to sell, they don't destroy them. And we don't even know the timeframe of all this.
Tfw you have to fight 9D Dante with SMT-lore scaling.
>>147193845Shin Megami Tensei?What the fuck, Dante actually has SMT scaling?
>>147187604Kratos. At this point he has a vast history of supporters trying desperately to trick anyone associated with him into saying "Kratos is tier blahblahblah blahversal."
>>147193786Didn’t Joey beat Yugi for Red-Eyes
>>147193845But then you remember that 9D Dante was a fan hoax and that you also have SMT-lore scaling.
>>147193867why is she in squid game
>>147193859Where would you put Kratos at anyways?
>>147193861You think Yugi was playing his A game for that?Plus Joey has so much Luck he'd catch a full health Legendary with a normal Pokeball.
>>147193888It’s an anime so yes, Yugi tried his best so Joey could earn Red-Eyes
Imagine needing lore statements to contest with on screen feats.
>>147193878for the prize money, obviously
>>147193807We already know this isn’t a metaphor. Nappa literally had this same ability when he lifted two fingers and destroyed a city, KV just did it on a larger scale. And they have pods to breathe in space, so that’s also not an issue.I swear, Dragon Ball is the only verse where you can literally show feats onscreen, like King Veggie casually blowing up three planets, Broly destroying a galaxy, or Gogeta destroying a dimension, and people go>Nah, that was just symbolic, it didn’t happen. It doesn’t count.Imagine if Kratos ACTUALLY destroyed a planet onscreen, and the “post Kratos” guy just went>Nah, that was an illusion. Kratos never destroyed a planet before this, so this clearly can’t be real.
>>147193896So you think Joey beat all three God Cards?
>>147193917Yep
>>147193912Except that entire scene is a metaphor where Frieza grows to the size of a planet, and if you’re using that then you can use the Infiniry Ray blowing up a star.
>>147193912Problem is with the first two they're filler.
>>147193730>I did. It's called 'cinematic flair' or do you 1st form Frieza is bigger than Namek.no thats called COPING. Cinematic flair is a style of filmmaking that uses theatrical and dramatic techniques to create a unique visual and emotional impact. It can include elements like camera angles, lighting, sound, and editing.you can slap this term on any feat to dismiss it. it's just a buzzword. >>Depends on how big the galaxy is and what kind of time frame.Also, it's funny that you're so trusting in Shin, the guy who constantly spews misinformation.well we did literally see happen onscreen so that's help gives statement some credibility .but i guess when it comes to Dragon ball we really shouldn't trust anything we are directly shown or told and just not watch the show at all like you. wish death battle was actually this critical when it comes to capeshitters, kratos or jojo. >Most people when they hear destroyed expect complete destruction. And it's not just planets, considering the planet has a day and night cycle and a star filled sky, means Broly must've missed a shitton of stars.even if there is only 1% of a galaxy remain thats between 10 miliion to 10 billion planets and stars? like do you not get how big a galaxy. and yes if if you destroyed 99% of planet you are planet buster .>No, they trancended into another one. They clearly didn't destroy their home dimension, so why would the seizure dimension be destroyed when they went back the same way?because they literally destroy it on screen and novel said they destroy the dimension too. because it is literally directly shown And stated. like why do you not?It's wild because this is the third time a feat is BOTH directly SHOWN and STATED , and you still don't think it's vaild. Isn't feat VS statements anymore. Dragon ball can have both and you still wouldn't buy it. Stop acting like the problem is DragonBall When clear either don't watch it or are biased against.
>>147193912the problem is that in daima, goku and vegeta now cannot handle giant kids, hamsters, or dogs
Ashbros, I don't like where this conversation is going - I felt good with Yugi, but now they're talking about GODouchi?
>>147193896b-but...Pegasus said Yugi is the best duelist...
>>147193785Funny how Marisa could solo the entire Saiyan race
>Dragonfag Melty
Krakatoa bros.. Surely we win, r-right?
>>147193919You also think he beat Yugi's ability to Top Deck?
>>147193993X-men? Jobbers
>>147193993>SHITkatoaX-men are MADE for the X-mansion; your weird death cult Ruby Ridge shit is over.
>>147194019Clearly I do
>>147193867>Dante is like S tier in the SMT game, while bayo is like C tierLOL, Dante fags keep winning.
>>147193952Clearly he was lying because Seto Kaiba is the best, number 1 duelist.
>>147193956Damn… Her verse is a least Outerctiy-versal
>>147193940>well we did literally see happen onscreen so that's help gives statement some credibilityYou know you can have a visual showcase of a lie or a mininformed opinion or a guess>wish death battle was actually this critical when it comes to capeshitters, kratos or jojo.wish they were>because they literally destroy it on screen and novel said they destroy the dimension tooThey leave it the same way they enter. By punching each other really hard. But it's clear that even the fucking ice field is barely damaged by this event. So it has to be one of two things: 1. They didn't destroy shit. or 2. Seizureland is less durable than their home dimension and as such the feat is basically completely useless because you can give it any durability.Why are you getting so heated over the idea that Super Goku might only be Galaxy level with FTL speeds? That still shits on most fiction out there man.
Wait, you're telling me that at any point in the plot Kratos could have simply been flinging mountains at his enemies at lightspeed? Why didn't he do that??
>>147193550In what kind of retarded world do you live in, where some fragments added for visual flavor somehow supersedes the fucking explosion (which took a portion of the galaxy, btw). You are grasping at straws>inb4. W-Well what about perspective
Could (you) with the 12 Talismans beat Homelander?
>>147193854Why wouldn't he?
>>147194096And that city has building filled with high complex Omniversal structures made of atoms... Marvel, SCP, and DC atoms!
>His DEATH BATTLE main is an UNDEFEATED LEGEND and CHADI will now give serious consideration and respect to this poster's opinion.>His DEATH BATTLE main is a JOBBER and sissy BITCHOpinion disregarded and ignored.>"b-but that match was wrong, my charar-"IGNORED.
>>147194145Because he can't, lol
>>147193722Shut your fucking mouth, faggot.
>>147194174What if their win loss record is 1-1
>>147194174SuperCHADS own these halls. Fagon fag faggots get shit on.
>>147194145What would the QTE even look like?
>>147194232>fagon fag faggotshey man, that was kinda hurtful n shit
>>147194253Opinions of JOBBERS and sissy BITCHES don't matter.
>>147194243mash square
>>147194274jesus fucking christ. I haven't seen that image in probably a decade.
>>147194274>kratos can't jump anymore
>DCucks and SHITgon Ballfags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ehWidYxCCA&ab_channel=DEATHBATTLE%21>Is stronger than you thinkOH NO NONONO ASURASISSIES, OUR FUNERAL HAS A DATE
>>147194331Kinda odd how they left Nordic stuff for the episode.
>>147193923>>You know you can have a visual showcase of a lie or a mininformed opinion or a guesswhy would i assume something that is both directly shown and directly stated and isn't at any point revealed to be lie.... a lie? By your logic it makes perfect sense to assume that superman is female and wonderwoman is male like I know that is directly stated and shown to be otherwise , but it can still all be a lies. >>They leave it the same way they enter. By punching each other really hard. Now that's a cute fan fiction. you see , I know it's fan fiction because it's not shown or stated to be true in official sources. You just pulled that explanation out of your own fucking ass and acting like canon.>>1. They didn't destroy shit. >.2. Seizureland is less durable than their home dimension and as such the feat is basically completely useless because you can give it any durability.novel said their attacks had the power of dimensions colliding. the colliding attack transported into another dimension they're attacks destroy the boundaries of said dimension. but earth didn't go boom so what we saw and what the novel said don't count.
>>147194142sorry this was meant for you.>>147194374
>>147194352In fairness a lot of Kratos wank was born after the 2018 games
>>147194243>>147194145Just play Asura wrath if you want to know what that kind of QTE would look like.
Weaboos are about to be big mad and it's going to be beautiful.
>>147194374>why would i assume something that is both directly shown and directly statedIt's not directly shown, it's a visual to go with Shin's narration. And, intentionally or not, Shin's one of the most unreliable dudes to get your info from in Dragon Ball. Did Shin see Buu destroy a galaxy or was he just imagining what Buu could do if given time.And to top it all of, this is filler, so it's not even canon.>the colliding attack transported into another dimension they're attacks destroy the boundaries of said dimensionSo, why did their attacks not destroy anything of note in Universe 7, but blew up Seizureland completely? Sounds like Seizureland is kinda weak.
>>147194466How do you play a movie?
>>147194243Same as him opening chests but with a mountain.>Grab something>"HRRRRRRGH!">Mash circle>After a few seconds and visible struggling the mountain gets flipped and/or chucked
>>147194163>Turn him invisible>Turn him into a turtleeasy
>>147194611>It's not directly shown, it's a visual to go with Shin's narration.VISUALS ARE SHOWN numb nuts. you're tying Not even trying to make sense with these replies anymore.the literal definition of Visuals are things that can be seen, or things that relate to sight. if they are visual by definition they are SHOWN. >>Did Shin see Buu destroy a galaxy or was he just imagining what Buu could do if given time.this explanation literally makes no sense given how he is supposed to be explaining what buu has done in the past. >And to top it all of, this is filler, so it's not even canon.It's not filler it happened in DBZ kai too can you admit you've never seen show and just hate it for no reason. >>So, why did their attacks not destroy anything of note in Universe 7, but blew up Seizureland completely? Sounds like Seizureland is kinda weak.or just a separate dimension so destroying wouldn't have any effect on their home dimension.
Is Popeye on team feats or team statements?
>>147194783Team Wank
So how is Kratos going to get all his Greek equipment back, including the stuff that was destroyed or rendered useless?
>>147194789Who cares? They’re gonna be used in the animation because they look cool. Is that an issue?
>>147194789At the very least I can see him getting the Blade of OlympusBut I hope he gets the Typhon bow from GoW 2. I liked it more than the bow in GoW 3
>>147194804No I just wanna know
>>147194789yeah, death battle has gone full retard with compositing; i remember when they didn't want to give link cross-timeline stuff, and then they're doing things like giving bowser the star rod along with all his other mcguffinsspider-man with ultimate nullifier when?
It's outhttps://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2025/01/death-battle-predictions-catwoman-vs.html
>>147194772>DBZ kaiAnon, the canon is the manga, Kai still has some Toei made filler in it for some reason.>or just a separate dimension so destroying wouldn't have any effect on their home dimension.So why did none of their attacks before or after do that? Why did it only result in them going into another dimension?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iC8TOylO8RKeuB5Ne-RjBu-5bQozQD2hklDU3hd8Kgo/edit?tab=t.0Kratosbros.....what is this!?
>>147194398Why? It was the 2018 and beyond games that hammered in that the wank was bunk
>>147194788>wankCare to elaborate.
>>147194783Feats. We see him do his shenanigans firsthand.
>>147193845>>147193867begone coomers
>>147194823The actual answer is that they’ll just composite his Nord and Greek weaponry. The how or why will more than likely just be that Greek still exists.
>>147194864No they are just going to do it because those are his popular armaments. They are just going to flat out ignore the canon on that front that the Greek gear no longer works since the magic is tied to the land and Kratos is no longer in Greece. That or they'll say "they fought in some battlefield that is greece and norway fused because shut up.
>>147194783Feats, CHADeye proves his raw testosterone laden CHADNESS and gripping STRENGTH by his actions alone, explaining his strength with words is beneath him
>>147194877Kratos will use his universal+ strength to punch Asura to Greece where he will use the Blade of Olympus to circumsize him
>>147192552>immediate quadrillions ftl>progressively above universal>novel and artbook statements regarding atlas and underworld>gets all items/weapons, even destroyed/lost ones from og trilogyso they're probably gonna give equalized stats or make them immeasurable, and have it come down to who's got better equipment/resistances
>>147194832Fucking hell that is long
>>147194832>Marvel street tier beats DC street tierYeah no shit
>>147194783I don't think Popeye has a single statement that people use for him.
>>147194845>google docsAsurabros, don't click this, it's a virus.
Marvel street tier > DC street tierMarvel herald tier << DC herald tierMarvel cosmic tier >>> DC cosmic tier
>>147194930Main thing I can think of is that source being talk but even then we see Popeye personally do hax bullshit all the time. He's definitely a featschad
>>147194940>Marvel cosmic tier >>> DC cosmic tierDoes this mean Dormammu actually beats Trigon?
>>147194877Unironically who gives a shit about the canon for a fan animation?
>>147194940>>147194949>Marvel cosmic tier >>> DC cosmic tierimo, they're basically interchangeable at that level
>>147194954Where do you think you are?
>Thor>NulyWhat other characters could beat the HULK?
>>147194836Kai is just DBZ without filler, but you're moving the goalposts now. Even when something isn’t technically filler,you still dismiss it as invalid because it’s anime-only. That feels like a cop-out.It’s funny because this started as a discussion about Dragon Ball characters relying on statements more than feats. But that only works if you ignore the movies, anime, DBS manga, Broly movie, and basically all Dragon Ball media outside of the Z manga, including the Z manga's continuation.You're completely wrong but are just ignoring everything that contradicts you.>>So why did none of their attacks before or after do that? you didn't see the movie. because it was the result of a beam struggle.they're beams only clashed twice. the first time it teleported them to another dimension the second one destroyed the dimension.
Predict the episodes that are booked for season 11
>>147194955If you go case by case yes. Dormammu is weaker than Trigon even at his strongest.
>>147193867>>147193845Speaking of DMC, last week the G1 crew did a better estimation of the Spardas' powerlevels and apologized for buying the DMC wank. Took them long but at least this makes them better than the Death Battle crew.https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2025/01/death-battle-predictions-galacta-knight.html
>>147194960I mean for the sake of the animation. It’s more interesting to see Kratos use all of his weaponry and items instead of sticking with one pantheon’s stuff.
>>147194940DC cosmic mogs the shit out of Marvel's monthly jobbers, anon.
>>147194352The previews are always like, half of the stuff they talk about
>>147194832Is this happening this season? I've been seeing a good deal of possible astroturfing for it here in the last few months.
>>147195019Lmao what wank did the DB team give to the DMC crew? Last I checked Vergil los
>>147195015>Spy vs 47I can't see it happening. Now that the TF2 comic officially concluded, they'll probably do a revaluation/rematch of Scout vs Tracer.>Naruto vs LuffyWon't happen until either one's story is concluded>B-K vs ConkerB-K don't deserve this. Give the edgy Rayman to Conker instead.>Kazuya vs WeskerAlright, you have my attention.
Fun fact, if Capeshit was given as generous of an interpretation as Kratos gets, we would have Multiverse Buster Spider-Man.
>>147195019>according to the blog, uni dmc is not only possible but likelySesshōmarubros, your response?
>>147195072>revaluation/rematch of Scout vs Tracer.Why?Scout still losesHe still has no answer to the huge technology gap between him and Tracer
>>147194940I feel like Marvel Street level vs DC Street Level is even greater disparity than Marvel Herald vs DC Herald simply because of Spider-man and the X-Men that aren't cosmic BS.I don't even know who is top tier in DC Street besides Batman and Green Arrow and that's me being generous to Ollie.
>>147194352I think they kinda blew their load with Kratos on his preview. His Greek stuff is easily where his best shit is and they already said all the noteworthy stuff from it
>>147194940Marvel wins all 3
>>147195019At least we see planets getting destroyed in Kirby games. GK taking the win makes sense.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-B0MOQjrD8>>147195063>This blog will not be using ANY material from the Chinese Devil May Cry mobile game called Peak of Combat. In late 2023, it was discovered that nearly all scans and several recordings for the game that were on the prior Dante vs Bayonetta blog were faked by a group of individuals. This ruse lasted nearly 2 years, as the perpetrators were able to cover their tracks by mixing real scans with the fake ones and even went as far as faking live stream footage of the game. As such we at the G1 apologize for the material being included in the aforementioned blog. The Dante vs Bayonetta blog now features a warning in its opening regarding the situation.They probably mean the incident from some years back. They do bring it up in this recent blog post.
>>147194940There's some marvel herald tiers that surpass the dc ones
>>147195088They let Nightwing beat Daredevil
>>147195103That wasn’t the DB crew, dummy. That was the blog crew, which isn’t affiliated with them. They’re obviously talking about the revamped blog they did on Bayo Vs Dante.
>>147195110Wasn't that due to abusing an obvious weakness?
True
>>147195116An obvious weakness they themselves said Daredevil was able to counter/overcome
>>147195116Yeah. It'd be like pitting a paraplegic against a flight of stairs. Also speaking of Matt, he deserves a runback now that the new trailer for his upcoming show just dropped.
>>147193881Mountain range and that's being generous.>>147193952>>147194066It's Joey. He just started leveling up later than the others so he seems weaker. The very moment he started to consider strategy he went from scrub tier to S tier.
>>147195103>This ruse lasted nearly 2 years, as the perpetrators were able to cover their tracks by mixing real scans with the fake ones and even went as far as faking live stream footage of the game
>>147194981>Kai is just DBZ without fillerIt's a recut to remove most filler, but some of it is still there. The canon is still the original manga.>Dragon Ball characters relying on statements more than feats.They do.Shockwaves? Statement. The only Universe level feats actually shown in Super are from Zeno and Infinite Zamasu, who only got defeated by ZenoPerfect Cell? StatementMost Toei-only feats? Vague as to how true they are. After all, don't forget the Arcosians, those got a visual flashback.>they're beams only clashed twice. the first time it teleported them to another dimension the second one destroyed the dimension.Why did the beam clashes from the same characters have such different results? Could it be that the swirly lights dimension was less durable?
>>147193952>>147194066Joey is the third best duelist overall but the best duelist who doesn't have bullshit ancient egyptian magics going on. He just replaces that magics with fuck you luck instead.
>>147195151TIME MAGIC
>>147195123Except the devs repeatedly call it bullshit so this wank shit is not intend it's fan fiction. so maybe this meme is true on biazaro world but the issue here is we're on earth!
>>147195140Otto, is Dragon Ball carried by statements or feats?
>>147194923It's way closer than you thinkFelicia gets the clean sweep but only for the smallest of details securing her the win
>>147195183Carried by what you motherfucker? They keep making Dragon Ball lose.
>>147195183>[Fat, attention seeking retard], is [series you’re afraid of for stomping comics] carried by statements or feats?Tripfag orbiters are sad.
>>147195151Joey offers up another slot for a Persona 5 match
Thinking about it, is Sephiroth the most feats character out there?By lore of his setting he shouldn't even be planet level, but he has an out of nowhere Supernova attack.
Post great filler episodes. Episodes that would be fun while they work on heavyhitters. Picrel.
>>147195063G1 were the ones who gave DMC accidental wank. They explained what went wrong in that link. DB was the one who gave Dante wank by having him beat Bayo, despite the current research team disagreeing with Ben and Chad. https://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2024/04/bayonetta-blog.html
>>147195206>>147195208Get out of here you shonen weaklings!
>>147194783Popeye has better shapeshifting feats than Plastic Man.
>>147195215>most feats>only oneIts also just a fluffed up gravity spell that can't one shot anyone and does no damage to the planet
>>147195219Who vs who?
>>147195226Yes capechad sir, sorry sir.
>>147193785Amazing how dbfags used this random flashback as a featI guess Vegeta was actually alive and naked in this scene
>>147195222Retard, when Bayonetta Vs Dante came out, POC, the thing that gave DMC that 9D wank, didn’t even exist. That’s what they’re talking about, you fucking dumbass. Holy shit some of you are beyond stupid.
>>147195219Who's right? Shield Hero basically can't lose if you go by novel endgame but then again he couldn't kill em either. With weird composite approach he'd stomp
>>147195206>Roshi beat Jiraya>Satan beat Dan>Vegeta beat Shadow>Frieza beat Megatron>Broly beat Hulk>18 beat Captain Marvel>Beerus beat Galaxiavs>Silver beat Trunks>Superman beat Goku>Reverse Flash beat Goku Black>Thor beat Vegeta>Kirby beat Buu>Omni-Man beat BardockThey're about even in W/L ratio. Really depends on if you count the multiple Goku vs Superman episodes.
>>147195226say that in my face nigga
>>147195219Shield Hero is for fraudchecking fagrito
>>147195238It's only one feat, but it's a rare case where a visual feat outstrips lore feats.Even Asura's higher ends are with statements.
>>147195219
>>147195226>*GULK GULK GULK* >M-MISTER TRIPFAGGOT SIR, P-PLEASE VALIDATE MY ARGUMENTS AND THOUGHT PROCESS!!! PLEAAAASEEE I ASK ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE IN EVERY THREADKEKAROOOOOO sit your ass down. I’m not gonna listen to someone who literally waits for an attention seeker.
>>147193362How tf do you even scale eva? Can the giant rei that killed everybody be punched to death? Or is it some kinda cosmic concept of the end?
>>147195263>>Frieza beat Megatron>>Broly beat HulkTo me these are the only wins worth a fuck. They did Shadow dirty by making the emeralds power run out.
>>147195266Why is he black? That's gay.
>>147195270No Kirito is for getting rekt by Haseo or Kite
>>147195257>>147195241Maple from Bofuri. Maxed out her create-a-character's defense and got busted upgrades to it early on. Shield anime vs shield anime. It's a decent b-list matchup to slot in between big ones.
>>147195296What are the highest level threats she deals with?
Is this your hero?
>>147195289The Emeralds can literally get beaten out of someone by applying enough force. You think it matters that it ran out when Bejita could just beat them out of him?
>>147195282Neat>>147195294This
>>147195310Its kind of funny going by nu Battle they'd probably have Shadow beat Z Vegeta
>Justice League Battle Royale>Starts with Batman BETRAYING and TRAPPING the other members out of Paranoia
>>147195294Kite is for Megaman.EXE
>>147195323>Justice League Battle Royale>Plays it up as "lol Superman wins">Suddenly Plastic Man wins because fuck you.
>>147195270Kirito is straight. GLOPPED Asuna for 200 years in the Underworld as the Star King.
>>147195323That already happened and Bruce was so dumb he got outplayed by fucking Banehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CzgNNY5vqKQ&pp=ygUTQmFuZSBidXJpZXMgYmF0bWFuIA%3D%3D
>>147195286>Can the giant rei that killed everybody be punched to death?Yes>Or is it some kinda cosmic concept of the end?not exactly. what She did was using a reverse AT Field to cancel out Earth lifeforms' AT Fields, in doing so Lifeforms stopped having a form then She sucked them in with the Black Moon iirc
>>147195110Daredevil is like, Mid tier Street Marvel while Nightwing is top of Street DC.I don't think he's beating Pete, Logan, Colossus, Cyclops, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and many many more
>>147195250>when Bayonetta Vs Dante came outDon't mix both incidents, fool. I'm explaining both situations. Again, Swan, Ultra, and others have always disagreed with DB's Dante vs Bayo. Bayonetta was already more powerful than Dante in her first two games alone. We have always known that DB fucked up that MU. The second incident happened when PoC's 9D fake scans were created so DMC wouldn't lose to the Bayonetta verse, even with Bayonetta 3 updates. G1 apologized for thinking these scans were official and the real deal.
>>147195340Fagrito is gay and his series is dogshit and weak as piss.
>>147195179The DEI devs maybe.
>>147195306Idk lol. I only watched the first episode and skimmed wikipedia. The surface level pitch was good enough for me to book it.
>>147195355Blah blah blah shut up and answer the original question you stupid fuck. What wank was Dante given in the original fight.
>>147195266What would Black Goku's hair look like as super saiyan 3? A huge golden afro?
>>147195063>Lmao what wank did the DB team give to the DMC crewThinking that Dante has a chance against Bayonetta, dumbass.
>>147195349Apparently this gets eva to small planet level
>>147195208I don't care that much about Anime vs Comics, I just want vidya vs stuff to go back to normal.
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>>147195378Same as white Goku, but with black hair texture.
>>147195353Daredevil already took down a bunch of pretty high ranking Marvel street tier villains including Rhino so he bodies Nightwing now anyway.
>>147195345>That already happenedThat's exactly why I said it.
>>147195375>What wank was Dante given in the original fight.The same wank Yang needed to kill Tifa, Toph to beat Gaara, and MC to defeat Doomguy.
>>147195322And that's part of why we need to normalize lowering everyone stats.Shadow should be a Saiyan Saga Vegeta victim.
>>147195148>>It's a recut to remove most filler, but some of it is still there. The canon is still the original manga.Insist the manga is the only canon but clearly didn't read it And is taking shit from the dbs anime. what a clown.> The only Universe level feats actually shown in Super are from Zeno and Infinite Zamasuinfinite zamasu doesn't fuse with universe that anime only dumbass. Insist the manga is canon but clearly didn't read it And is taking shit from the dbs anime. What a clown. Can you just f****** admit that the reason you think dragon ball is carried by statement because you actually never seen the series? I mean.You kind of already proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt , so you might as well admit it . Zeno erased the whole timeline in the manga version As the time ring that represents the time line disappears .Insist the manga is the only canon but clearly didn't actually read it And is taking shit from the dbs anime. What a clown. Can you just f****** admit that the reason you think dragon ball is carried by statement because you actually never seen the series? I mean.You kind of already proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt , so you might as well admit it . >>Why did the beam clashes from the same characters have such different results? Could it be that the swirly lights dimension was less durable?Why do keep asking new unrelated questions everytime give you answer? >Why the effects of the bean clash slightly different ? Idk .. Is that supposed to be your smoking gun moment?Is that supposed to prove that everything that is directly shown and directly stated to have happened didn't happen and that your fan fiction that you pulled out of your butthole is the true answer ?
Goku does beat Sonic tho
>>147195310yes now. But back then they wouldn't use that anti feat.But it makes sense, we saw Knuckles do that in the games so it makes sense.
Dante and bayonetta both got downplayed in their match. It mustve been the budget but you'd image a fight between the guy whose dad conquored hell (an infinite realm) and bayonetta (who regularly fought gods on par with sparda) would have a much more cosmic clash and way more environmental destruction.
>>147195015>It's been over 10 years, and they still haven't fixed Halo vs DoomDidn't that one win the rematch poll? When are they releasing that episode? No release date so far?
>>147195219I fucking hate male Isekai MCs do much is unreal
>>147190709>That said, I prefer the anime original where Zamasu's vile immortal soul actually encompasses the entire universeI wonder what would have happened if the Supreme Being didn't delete that universe. Would he have found a way to expand his influence and become a multiverse threat, kind of like Marvel's Hunger?
>>147195448Right is a guy?
>>147195441Yes it won the rematch poll. No set date yet
>>147195340>Kirito is straightHe's clearly Eugeo's husband.He's only dating Asuna because Japan is so scared of birthrates that they force sex propaganda in the novels. The author does not take sex seriously>Two years worth of semen made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into Asuna
>>147195437>bayonetta (who regularly fought gods on par with spardaSparda isn't on the same level as the top tiers in Bayonetta. DMC's verse isn't multi-dimensional. Makai is parallel to the human world, not a higher dimension.>The Demon World (魔界 Makai?), also known as Hell, the Underworld, the Netherworld, the Dark World[1] and the Devil Kingdom, is a location seen in the Devil May Cry series. A grim, treacherous place, it is the hellish realm which parallels the Human World>The world was born from darkness. Unending darkness. A crucible of chaos. But even to that primordial existence there came a ray of light. The universe was eventually split in two. The darkness became the realm of demons... and the light became the domain of mortals. The two worlds existed together for what seemed like an eternity.
>>147195437A lot of the fights, especially the 3D ones back then, had some weirdly limited destruction considering who the combatants areHulk vs Doomsday never left the city and left rubble intact, when realistically they would have shattered the world a hundred times overThor vs Wonder Woman had the moon be destroyed but they could have easily gone through different planets with their strengthGoku vs Superman 2 was city levelAlso car level Thanos
>>147195244God you're retard. all the people in the scene are dead. vegeta king vegeta and bardock. this was clearly a vision being had by goku who is drowning and the show make this clear. King vegeta nuking 3 planets wasn't a vision. why are dbz downplaying such fuckin lairs. You'll take literally anything out of context
>>147195488So Frieza can grow to the size of a planet?
>>147195289How is Frieza vs Megatron worth a fuck?It's a correct outcome but they gave Frieza a big fucking gimme It was a pity win against an opponent that has no business even being near Frieza, just so DBZ fans could say they had a win before they had Goku lose to Supes againFrieza deserved a real win worth a damn
>>147195464World. Infinite universe. Same thing.
>>147195015>Light Yagami vs Walter WhiteI don't get what the appeal is supposed to be here, Walter's genius is on chemistry not deduction, assuming the premise is whoever finds out the Kira/Heisenberg identity first wins but even then it's not even really a fight; Saul almost instantly finds out Heisenberg's civilian life and that was just with some random P.I. he paid for an hour of work. If it's a straight fight then it's even more pointless, if Light has the death note he wins by default, otherwise he's just some normal faggot and Walter either just shoots him or blows him up with some chemical reaction
Doomsday is supposedly super powerful, but all of his fights I've seen, and the original comic fight in which he killed Superman, don't show him as someone capable of destroying something bigger than a city with a single punch. Superman and Doomsday are such frauds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1-44DvwG68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoHpLUoCMt4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=511WJ_yCgOg
>>147195506Everyone thought they were gonna use Japanese continuity shit since Megatron was fighting an anime character, but they literally just gave Megatron Sunbow G1, Marvel G1 and IDW. Which is weird because those are all separate canons. And like you said, makes the outcome so obvious it's pointless.
>>147195569Doomsday is literally famous for (not actually) killing a notoriously nerfed Superman. But they still want Doomsday to be a big deal so they kept writing stories where Doomsday pretty much gets power-ups and immunities relative to whoever he fights.
>>147195432I'm talking about the original Dragon Ball manga.Super is more complicated because the manga and anime are equally canon while being different at the same time. The closest thing to an agreed canon would be Toriyama's notes for them, but we can't see those and I doubt there'd be many feats in them.I brought up the Super anime since they're popular to bring up>IdkIf the feat is so vague that it's basically pointless even if it did happen, then is it really a feat?And anon, you're clearly not okay. If saying Goku is not a Universe-buster leads you to act like I just called your wife a whore, then I think you have issues.
>>147195569>secondary media
>>147195353>Colossus>street tierWe need a redefinition of what street tier means.
>>147195390Not cause of size, because she effects the population of the whole planet.Anyway I don't even know if AT fields removal does shit to settings where people don't have them anyways.
Skibidi Toilet won and will be in Death Battle soon!
>>147195550You miss the point. In the DMC verse, Makai/Underworld doesn't exist on a higher scale than the light world, the human universe. In Bayonetta, gods do exist in dimensions higher than ours.>Possessing the power of the "Overseer", he (Aesir) existed in a dimension different from our own, watching over infinite possibilities that layered to form history from a viewpoint surpassing that of time and space.And Ginnungagap by itself is bigger than all the possibilities of the human multiverse.
>>147195659Plungerman and Miku getting married in Lego Fortnite.
>>147195616>secondary mediaThe only one that matters and actually brings in money and fans, unlike comics.
Any fights for the Kami of Planet Vegeta?
>>147195683>literall who godlike being That dude from invincible omnipotus
>>147195496DB downplayers trying to tell the difference between a flashback a, vision and a scene transition. challenge impossible
Homunculi battle!If Brotherhood Team plays it smart, they win through Battlefield Removal using Gluttony's Gate. Also, I'd use GreedLing instead of normal Greed. I also see FMAB getting really annoyed by 2003 Mommy Sloth because she just turns into Water, and it's not like they can kill water.
>>147195569Apparently it was a team effort. Doomsday with the help of 12 other villains killed supes (all building level btw).
why do people put ash vs yugi as a reasonable matchup? now im not a yu gi oh fan disclaimer but like - ash is a human guy, its not like his powerful pokemon, hes just a human being, he can easily murked by yugi's monsters unlike his pokemon who could put up a fight right?
>>147195781If we are operating under DB's rules of "participants have bloodlust and want to kill each other badly", then Yugi can just mind-crush Ash and his Pokemon.It sounds dumb but so are the fans proposing this MU, and DB coming up with those silly, edgy rules.
>>147195781>He doesn't know about Superhuman Ash/Satoshi
>>147195725>UHHH ACTUALLY THE SCENE WHERE FRIEZA GROWS TO THE SIZE OF A PLANET ISN’T THE SAME AS THE SCENE WHERE VEGETA BLOWS UP THREE PLANETS WHILE STANDING ON THEM BECAUSE…BECAUSE THEY’RE DIFFERENT OK????>IGNORE HOW LITERALLY ALL OF THOSE SCENES HAPPENED IN THE SAME “flashback”. SOME THINGS WERE METAPHORICAL AND OTHERS WEREN’T OKAY DON’T ASK QUESTIONS
>>147195781Pokemon humans are freaks and Ash has done goofy shit like chucking logs like nothing. That said Yugi stomps him because he has an answer to that via duel armor. That and the fight itself essentially goes like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU1dbtU-pb0
>>147195015>Sans vs The Judgestill don't really get this one. i don't think Sans is interesting enough for a battle, anyway. a fight with Frisk, Undyne or Asgore sounds more interesting.
GT Goku vs Super Goku would have better finale than Gogeta vs Vegetto. Old Kaioshin already said Potara was superior. Meanwhile, GT Goku would at least get scaling all those anime filler scenes from Z that DBS Goku wouldn't have to make the debate more interesting. So, he actually get that wanked Goku moving away from the sun thing that Bardock scaled too.
>>147195606You don't consider anime only shit to be canon but you see DBS anime as canon? Even though the DBZ anime only shit IS canon to the DBS anime.Ginyu stealing Bulma's body and coming to earth as a frog only happened in the z anime but it's canon to super as ginyu returns and Bulma mentions her body getting stolen by him. Yamcha being a professional baseball player only happens in the anime but it's canon to DBS anime.God damn it man. Dumb asses who don't actually watch the show , shouldn't comment on it. > If the feat is so vagueNo, it's not vague.We're shown and told exactly what happened and why it happened and how has happened. you're trying to say it's completely vague because we're not told exactly why it was slightly different. And thats Pathetic shit bro.
>>147195824Vegeta is a child when king vegeta nukes the planets the scene pans away to another planet a giant frieza and Vegeta as a grown man next to his father. Dumbass like you can't tell what a scene transition if punched you dick.
>>147187951Chizuru Kagura (King of Fighters) vs Rose (Street Fighter)
>>147195837It's even worse with The Judge because he has no feats, barely any story to cover, his attacks all look like generic rpgmaker attacks, no voice and no additional visual media to use as a base for the animation, I'd be surprised if it ended up being longer than 10 minutes. It's a thing because they both serve as the "final boss who judges your sins after your genocidal journey" and it's sans' oldest matchup by far
I think power levels debates are all made up shit for people to shave an excuse to socialize.
>>147195978This describes most non-familial human interaction once you're a jaded adult.
>>147196043*amongst jaded adultsYou yourself don't need to be jaded to attempt communication, and probably aren't therefore.
New thread>>147195963
>>147195015Someone must REALLY hate Mahito.
