Am I the only one that always found Disney beyond cringeworthy as a kid? The musical numbers always made my skin crawl and it always felt too childish and dumbed down for me. I hated having to watch them in school.
>>147207101Old Disney films are quite intelligently written and I'm guessing you zone out during the musical numbers and don't pay any attention to the lyrics. You're just an edgelord.
>>147207101The only disney thing i liked as a kid was the dalmatians. but i always disliked musical numbers in general, not disney specifically
I went through a "hating Disney" phase as a kid and I remember getting reprimanded in 3rd grade because a teacher overheard me telling another kid I thought Peter Pan "sucked" and didn't approve of my language. Anyway I grew out of that shit and also 3rd grade me was a fucking idiot.
>>147207109>I'm guessing you zoned outNo, I cringed out. It was awful to be watching that shit. Wanted to physically leave the room. I preferred stuff that didn't insult my intelligence. Disney itself is already a bunch of darker folktales dumbed down for a stupid American audience.
>>147207101Was childishness degraded at home in your childhood?
>>147207155I'm sorry that you're gay. You'll figure out a way to come to terms with that eventually.
>>147207155>cringe outdo zoomers really?
>>147207101>I hated having to watch them in school.>ITT: OP accidentally outs himself as shortbus
>>147207101Nice copypasta, dickweed
>>147207153Sounds like you had better media taste as a third grader. This was around the same time I was getting into anime. Anime actually appeals to young boys, and has far better content than Disney's overly girly slop.>>147207181No, I just hated that shit. It wasn't for young boys. It was for girls. It didn't have any of the action or any cool shit that childhood me would have enjoyed. Everything felt so dumbed down and condescending towards children. >>147207189Sorry that I don't like shitty movies I guess.
You hate musicals because they're "cringey". I hate musicals because Disney deviated away from 1930's jazz and Romanticism after Bambi. We are not the same.
Stop ban-evading
>>147207213So not children but girls specifically, I’m sorry man. Did you ever get to see other movies you liked better?
>>147207239Yes. I found anime which was far better. In general, I've always found Disney really condescending and cynical with what they consider content for kids.
>>147207252Happy it worked out for you. I love watching animes too.
>>147207252Did you watch Disney's first 5 films? They're the best ones.
>>147207101I liked the old Mickey mouse cartoons and stuff as a kid. Goofy movie. Mostly liked Pixar before they went to shit. Only watched 90s Disney movies because my female cousins were into it. Like even as a kid I only watched Lion King because Johnathan Taylor Thomas was Simba and I think I knew him from Home Improvement.Then there was the shit Disney did with the public domain. And then there was the fact that people were obsessed with Disneyland when I always thought Universal Studios was better (an entire theme park about the love of film, not just faggoty Disney princesses).Today I think Disney is the worst thing ever. Killed Marvel, killed Fox, killed Lucasfilm, killed Jim Henson Company.Luckily Mickey Mouse is finally in the public domain so I can enjoy Mickey guilt free.
>>147207305Also I forgot Disney Channel. If there was a kid who had a choice between Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network and instead chose Disney Channel I would have thought that he was gay or a retard.
>>147207305Even when I was a kid, we only ever went to the Disney water parks. Not even part or the actual "Disney" part of the park.
>>147207213>>147207101>OP feels the need to tell us how he liked DARK and BADASS cartoons when he was a kid
>>147207357I think pretty much any boy would prefer to watch something like Chainsaw man or your average shonen, over a shitty Disney movie.
>>147207381>I think pretty much any boy would prefer to watch something like Chainsaw man or your average shonen, over a shitty Disney movie.
>>147207417I mean, I'm just sharing with you a simple fact of reality.
Shitting on Disney has become very popular these last couple years (Lord knows they've earned some antipathy for the painfully mediocre live action remakes and for fucking up Marvel, Star Wars, and their own original IPs) but I think they've made some truly wonderful films, even in the last couple years. At their best, they make mature, beautifully written and animated films that strike the heart.
>>147207463Dude Bambi's creator HATED Walt Disney for turning his book into an infantile movie for kids. The creator of Bambi is one of the few famous figures who hated Walt Disney for his formula of animation is for kids. Others who rightfully hated Disney was Tolkien from Lord of the Rings fame.Make no mistake Disney is shit. And frankly Bambi is a terrible movie. The only good thing about it is the technical aspect of its animation. But it has none of the substance the original story has.And one of the reasons no one has tried to make a more loyal adaptation of Bambi is because Disney extended copyright so long that if I remember right only NOW is when the Bambi book finally is public domain. Keep in mind Disney is the owner of the book's copyright because the creator was enduring seriously hard times back in the day due to World War II. Disney stole his work and extended copyright for so long that no one could properly pay tribute to the story themes as written in the book of Bambi. FUCK DISNEY TO HELL.
>>147207101Hi Dana Terrace but you already left Disney and went to Glitch
>>147207491Wrong. Bambi is Disney's second-greatest film, and an astounding filmic accomplishment. The novel author not liking it because it's not his exact headcanon does not matter. Disney facilitated a work that was very profound, interesting, and frankly superior. The same games for certain other films, such as Kubrick's Shining.
>>147207491Naw, the Bambi film and its simple exploration of the circle of life is more interesting than the book. The book has several flaws, like deer sitting around doing shit like discussing God, or the sadistic hunter somehow massacring several animals at once. The film is much more concise and powerful.
>>147207537>Quite frankly superior Literally every original fairytale that Disney took and dumbed down, are better than the Disney version.>>147207553You haven't exactly explained how any of the flaw you mentioned the book having are actual flaws, nor how the Disney movie delivers the same message better.
>retards falling for old baitzoomers have taken over /co/
>>147207597None of what I've posted has been bait. They've been my honest to god opinions.
>>147207584>deer sitting around doing shit like discussing GodIt stretches the anthropomorphism of the characters. The Bambi film is about animals dealing with animal problems, like fires and hunters. They don't speculate about God because they're fucking dumb animals.>the sadistic hunter somehow massacring several animals at onceHe'd have to be a retardedly good shot to hit a bunch of fleeing animals in the scant few seconds he'd have. Him just gunning down Bambi's mother is much more believable.>Disney movie delivers the same message better.It doesn't deliver a message, it shows the cycle of life and rebirth, showing how Bambi grows from a frolicking fawn to a replacement for the Great Prince, with children of his own. It's more interesting and universal than the book's "MUH DEER ARE ANALOGUES FOR JEWS." It also does it without all the unnecessary characters and dialogue.
>>147207640>"MUH DEER ARE ANALOGUES FOR JEWS." It also does it without all the unnecessary characters and dialogue.This is where I knew you were trolling, so I'm stopping the argument here. I'm not arguing with a Disney tard brain semen guzzler.
I can understand that sentiment, sometimes Disney do try too make things too family friendly and the musical numbers aren't my thing either, despite that. I do like most of their films up until Home at the Ranch
>>147207757https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi,_a_Life_in_the_Woods>Bambi, a Life in the Woods (German: Bambi: Eine Lebensgeschichte aus dem Walde) is a 1923 Austrian coming-of-age novel written by Felix Salten, and originally published in Berlin by Ullstein Verlag. The novel traces the life of Bambi, a male roe deer, from his birth through childhood, the loss of his mother, the finding of a mate, the lessons he learns from his father, and the experience he gains about the dangers posed by human hunters in the forest. It is also, in its most complete translation, seen as a parable of the dangers and persecution faced by Jews in Europe.[1]https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/dec/25/bambi-cute-lovable-vulnerable-or-a-dark-parable-of-antisemitic-terrorIt's true. The film's simple story is more powerful than Salten's bloated proto-Holocaust kitsch.
>>147207827Simpler doesn't mean better. And frankly, Disney's version dumbed it down to the point of being flat out infantile. The book is far better in regards to what it's trying to convey than the movie is. The sense of danger is completely gone.
>>147207757As if you actually have anything interesting to say anyway. Like copypasting from an known schizo and passing it off as your own writing or repeating uhh it's dumbed down has any interest to most people.
>>147207189Answer this seriously, before Disney bought Pixar and the other stuff, did their movies please boys? No. Their movies could be enjoyed by young boys, but those boys when they grow slightly older not even teenagers start to lose interest in Disney media. And if a grown man buys into Disney media it's because he's a hopeless creep Kidult or he has a family of his own with very young children. But the man himself has no interest in Disney infantile trite. And I can't blame men. Disney's media has always been lame shit.I distinctly remember many teenage dudes hating on Disney tween sitcoms in particular because the teenagers and adults don't act like teenagers and adults. Something like Married with Children or Malcolm in the Middle on the other hand fared much better with young male viewers. Disney has never wanted male audiences because they know that doing so means they lose the sugary saccharine inoffensive family friendly image that they've used to milk girls out of their parent's money.Hope Disney loses that and that they lose the girl audience as well so that they finally die.
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>>147207992Is it physically possible for you to respond to an argument in earnest or are you an Ai that churns out these responses infinitely?
We both know you didn't write that.
>>147208143I just don't understand why you're so interested in making media that's explicitly for men. It's a highly homosexual desire.
>>147207101Sounds more like a self-conscious issue.
>>147207213>Everything felt so dumbed down and condescending towards children.Name some examples.
>>147207101I think that just means you were a kid in the 90s.When everybody found the dancing and songs to be cringeworthy
>>147208303Taking what were complex, nuance and dark works and turning them into saccharine sugary sweet shit is pretty condescending.
>>147207101I grew up watching the Shrek films so I got conditioned to thing Disney shit was lame and cringeEnded up not watching a lot of them until my early teens
Bump
>>147207101You can hate Disney but not for stupid reasons like thisAt least hate them for a real reason like neutering classic fairy tales/myths or exploiting their fans
>>147209448>neutering classic fairy tales/mythsThere's like 58 different versions of Dracula around, from Lugosi to Christopher Lee to the Nosferatu flicks to that crazy Hugh Jackman Van Helsing movie. Complaining about different adaptations at this point is like crying about getting wet in Kevin Costner's Waterworld.
>>147209638>Changing the stories to fit their culture Vs>We have to dumb these stories down for the lowest common denominator
>>147207101You're not gay. You are fortunate. If some goes>What's your favorite Disney?I go>Beauty and the BeastBut you can go>FaggotAnd you win the conversation!
>>147207491The US copyright for the Bambi book was 1928, it is PD by now. It may have been PD as early as the '50s if it wasn't renewed them.
I feel they had more soul in the olden times but the Eisner era company (what Millenials remember as chilluns) was very much more corporate and about selling toys.
>>147207101What about stuff without musical numbers like Lilo and Stitch?
>>147209862I was a tiny bit more okay with it, Stitches' more was kind of cool; but definitely not high on my list.
>>147207463I like BH6, but S+?
their movies at least all the Eisner era ones were exactly the same>some musical shit>some princess/love story shit>some talking animal comic relief charactersonce you seen one you seen them all
>>147207109as a kid and even now as an adult I loathe the musical bits. my favorite movies WALL-E, ratatouille and emperor's new grove don't have that shit. me er understood why old Disney felt the need to include them at all
>>147207381Of course Disney is a gay company for girls. No boy thinks Mickey Mouse is cool and don't bother saying Kingdom Hearts because Mickey is a glorified cameo in that trash. The real male characters doing progress in the story of Kingdom Hearts are the original ones like Sora and Riku who are made by a Japanese man.Disney will never appeal to males. And that's why they bought Marvel and frankly are damaging that the same way they ruined Star Wars. I sincerely hope Nintendo's theme park opening THIS year in Florida destroys Disney. That's going to be the first time those Jewish Feminist Diversity bastards from Disney finally feel some pain.
was the Goofy Movie and Goof Troop one of the few times they made something that a dude could kinda watch?
>>147211031this. hell we now have media like nu-kratos telling us men to "be better", which feels like women trying to spin what positive masculinity is and trying to force feed it to us
>>147211031>And no, Trump is not going to do anything about it since he sucks Jewish cock.Are you on the wrong board? This is the comics and cartoons board not the politics and current events board.
>>147211175besides he's full of shit anyway. if you go back to Golden Age Hollywood for example those movies were almost entirely aimed at women.
>>147207101>at homeThey were almost all classics ignoring straight to dvd slop>in schoolAbsolutely you have a point
>>147210914the musical bits were a dinosaur relic of earlier days that hung on due to inertia
I think the first time Disney ever really triggered me was Hercules because I'd read about all the Greek myths when I was a kid and knew what a grift that movie was.
>>147207491You're probably thinking of Mary Poppins.
The Disney of Walt's day was a vehicle for one auteur's monomania. The Disney of Eisner's day was a generic Fortune 500 company that was in the business of selling merch not actually making an artistic statement.
>>147207305>Only watched 90s Disney movies because my female cousins were into ithopefully you fucked them when you were teens
>>147211317i read a bio of Walt's once. the era of the early Disney movies like Snow White et al was interesting and almost Wagnerian. you had stuff happen like the Daily Worker editoral accusing Fantasia of being a "fascist movie which we do not need as the world slides towards war." i doubt there was anything so interesting about the 80s onward. just a generic corporation out to sell toys to suburban America.
>>147210975Everybody liked The Lion King and Hercules.
The Disney Channel in the 90s was more unisex but then they doubled down hard on the 12 year old girl demo in the 2000s. Basically girls who were just a little too old for princess shit.
When I was a kid, whenever I heard the prince from Sleeping Beauty sing, I would cry tears of joy.
i saw BATB on TV as a kid once and the part where Beast loses his shit at Belle finding the enchanted rose scared the bejesus out of me
>>147211416I'm gonna say Pocahontas was the nadir of 90s Disney and few disagree.
>>147207213You know anime was inspired by Disney, right?
>>147211518I can see it. Important scene though, maybe it’s good it sticks out so much?
I think I saw most of the Disney Renaissance movies at some point or another as a child, everyone probably did, usually when they were on TV or from being forced to watch them at school. I'm positive I never saw Hunchback of Notre Dame though. Of the pre-The Little Mermaid ones I think the only ones I've seen all the way through were Fantasia and Aristocats.
>>147211570I mean, I was like 7 or something. I also used to find Dr. Claw in Inspector Gadget absolutely terrifying.
>>147211470More like the 2010s. They didn't really start going ham on princesses again until Frog in 2009.
