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Why are you on life support?
Got the dutch Tintin collection! It's on my backlog of shit to read
>What are you currently reading?I'm currently reading Corpse on The Imjin by Kurtzman as I want to finish off the handful of these EC books I own before potentially buying the remaining ones I want. Pretty good short stories with great cartooning >What are your recent pickups?Got the Question Vol 2 >What books have you on the way?Sandman Mystery Theatre Compendium Two and Batman Year 100
>>150007496Heard good things about The Question. Is it as good as people say?
>>150007488>Why are you on life support?It's a reference to this>>149992548
>>150007521That's kinda fucked.
>>150007536It is, I just bought about 200 bucks worth of stuff from them at their physical bookstore location, they're having a sidewalk sale yesterday and today.
>>150007656It's not only a hardcover, it's also oversized so it's to scale with Sunday newspaper pages of the 20's and 30's, shit's massive.
>>150007678Thanks anon, I deleted because of a typo, but the context is my asking why the Thimble Theater collection, with the same page count, is so much more expensive than the Popeye Sunday collections, but this make a lot of sense. Certainly gonna try to get it at some point.
>>150007488/shelf/ itself is kind of on life support as it has been dead for a while but also this >>150007521 got dumped on top so it seemed appropriate >>150007506People might overhype certain aspect of it a little bit, it was still a comic book intended for teenagers so it's not exactly subtle in all of it's storytelling but yes it is as good as people say. It's a compelling crime story with plenty of The Question tackling regular thugs and gangsters but mixed with stories of corruption, politics, tough moral choices and philosophy. There is lots of character growth with the philosophical elements weaved in. It's also worth reading the letter pages if you get into it because he speaks more about philosophy there and recommends relevant books to read. I don't think it is worth spoiling anything as it is worth just checking out, it quickly became one of my favourites.The art is also great, it creates an excellent gritty atmosphere and the action scenes were surprisingly great too. I haven't read Vol 2 yet
>>150007441Are Fantagraphics actually in trouble of closing down themselves cos of all the shit with diamond? I fucking hope not this close to the end of the carl barks library
>>150008388It has more to do with the long and expensive legal proceedings that Fantagraphics and other small publishers will have to go through to get their inventory back from Diamond's creditors.
>>150008491When inventory is "liquidated," which is I think the term they used, is it just seized, and like stored w Diamond and written off or whatever as opposed to say, destroyed?
>>150007496>Question vol. 2 and SMT Compendium 2I'm glad they're getting reprinted (and fully in SMT's case) but I fucking that it's often 'omni or bust' for some of these older series collections. I like to take my reading around, omnis are just unwieldly and impractical outside of armchair reading
>>150007506I don't think so. I didn't like it, at least what I read.Dennis O'Neil is not a strong enough writer to be tackling this heavier stuff. I'm not a big fan of the art either. The covers look great being inked by Sienkiewicz, but the interiors are a lot sloppier (not in a good way).
>>150009330There is hope for The Question to come out again in other formats if he appears in some movies. SMT however regardless of how hyped it was I can't see coming in anything other format if we ever see it again
>>150008728Depends in what the creditor (in this case JP Morgan Chase Bank) wants to do with it, but since it's now part of a lawsuit, I don't think they can do anything with it until that's resolved.
Haven't bought anything in a while. Trying to save since I just got a house (which is a gigantic pain in the fucking ass and I don't recommend anyone doing) but I'm slowly making my way through that Batman beyond compendium. Ready for more DC Finest. It's become my favorite way to collect stuff.
I can't stop buying floppies.
>>150011068After one or two modern issues you could afford to buy an entire arc, anon. Floppies are a fucking scam.
>>150011068Do you at least read them?
>>150007441That woman has crazy eyes.>Currently readingKnightfallBatman and Robin adventuresBarks DucksRomMicronauts> recent pick upsPic related arrived last night. I enjoyed it.>on the wayNexus omnibus kickstarter
>>150011028Congratulations on getting a house. You’ll grow to love it over time, especially if you’re handy. I finished my basement by myself, it nearly killed me (no joke) and I can’t imagine living in another space. As far as buying goes, I need to catch up on Barks ducks before fanta dies.
>>150007441>Fantagraphics is currently having a 30% sitewideNever posted in /shelf/ but thanks for this. I got two novels I’ve being eyeing.
Grabbed some Crumb and Hanselmann.Debating going back for some Peanuts, Popeye, and Jim Woodring.
Finally had my Superman Exile show up just today, after I was complaining about it last /shelf/.
>>150011815Also found SMT Vol 2 early in a comic shop back on Monday, so I'm very happy with that.Haven't read any of it yet though since I'm waiting for a second hand copy of Sandman Midnight Theatre to come through from Oxfam.
>>150011838MWAAAAAAAH the pulps
>>150011815I really like that book.
>>150011375It's cool they're reprinting the Creepy Corben collection even though it's only tpb.
>>150007441Just got this today. Art Adams, Michael Golden and Byrne are my 80's Marvel GOATs, the only guys who have scratched a similar itch for me are Ed McGuinness and 'Ringo (RIP).
>>150007441She looks very mentally unstable
Organizing my floppies. God damn this sucks
>>150011997I'm looking forward to actually reading it, though I feel I need to refresh my memory of what happens in Byrne's run a little beforehand
Are the new Justice League International trades good? I thought I heard there were printing or mapping problems with one of the JLI collections.
>>150007740The current Popeye Sundays are smaller but the previous popeye books were also newsprint size and $20 each (but that was before covid scamflation). The Thimble Theatre book is by a different company and I think these strips are much harder to source. I think there might still be like 5 or 6 years of Thimble Theatre strips missing before Popeye shows up. It's a very nice book and for 30% off it's good. I got my copy of Amazon some months ago when they had some coupon and I only ended up saving $20.
>>150008728Liquidation means complete sell off. So they would have taken all the stock and sold it Walmart/Target/Barnes n Noble/Amazon etc for cheap. Not just Fantagraphics' stuff. I can't imagine how fucked other publishers are right now.
>>150014109They fucked up in that the printing was atrocious and they desperately need to be remastered as a lot of dialogue balloon text was faded as fuck
>>150011218>>150011106>>150011068I like buy single issues (I will never call them floppies, FUCK YOU).Do I read them? lmao fuck no (I have a problem)I just got some Tim Sale Hulk and waiting on a big order of Ms Marvel and Elektra with the Greg Horn covers. (I'm trying to read my comics, but movies, TV, video games, and chronic masturbation get in the way)
Bought the Tales of the Jedi and The Old Republic Vol 1 Omnis.I still find it odd that TotJ has the "Shadows and Light" story, which is the KOTOR1 tie-in story, and TORvol2 has the "Unseen, Unheard" story, which is the KOTOR2 tie-in story.TORvol1 should have had them both. I already own them both, from buying Star Wars Tales Volume 6, but it'd have been nice to be able to sell that one too. I don't have any interest in buying TORvol2, because they're all from almost a decade after the video games.
>>150013563How do you organize them? I have my comics by publisher but also series. Like one box is DC but just Superman and Shazam. One box is just Shadow of the Bat and Catwoman. One box is just hippy Comix like Crumb and Fabulous Freak Brothers.
>>150014511By publisher. I'm kinda redoing it because I got lazy and I have a bunch of boxes of mostly unsorted comics. Part of the problem is my place is tiny so I don't really have a workspace and bending over to do this shit gives me a headache. I'm glad I'm moving.
>>150014239>I can't imagine how fucked other publishers are right now.Sounds like all the small publishers are banding together for this lawsuit. I assume Marvel is just going to take the loss because they're owned by Disney and don't give a shit.
>>150007441Who's crazy eyes in OP? Guarantee the shrinkwrap on those omnibuses isn't going anywhere.
>>150011838How do the compendiums handle all those opener double-page spreads that SMT usually has in regards to gutter loss?
>>150007441i want to sell all my comics. how should i go about it ? sell as many bundles as possible? peacemeal?
>>150007506It widely depends on if you like the art. Cowan starts strong but by #20, the art turns to dogshit and Cowan gives Vic a hideous big hair perm and he starts looking like a god-damn hair metal lead singer (I've seen anons here compare him to the lead singer of Whitesnake). By the end of the series it's pure vomit art-wise. So if you like your Vic Sage Question sexy and hot looking, you'll hate the O'Neil run As for O'Neil's writing; it's pretty good but at the same time, O'Neil radically changes Vic to fit his politics. It's not THAT much a jarring change, like Peacemaker going from a Goody Two Shoes who only uses violence to protect peace into a foaming at the mouth psychopath who's mask holds the ghost of his Nazi dad. But it's a radical change as Vic goes from a Randian hero with a confirmed philosophy behind his actions both in his personal life and super hero life, to a generic hot headed rookie vigilante hero who turns to Zen philosophy after Lady Shiva nearly kills him and Batman yells at him for being a pathetic rank amateur who is going to get himself killed if he keeps playing hero.He also completely purged Vic's supporting cast and main villain (his boss's evil son) and replaced him with Myra (a generic love interest stuck in a loveless marriage with a corrupt and senile Ronald Reagan stand-in) and an insane Billy Graham stand-in who made not-Reagan turn Hub City into hell on Earth (and forced Myra to marry not-Reagan and have a kid by him) to bait God into causing the apocalypse to happen now instead of later. That said, there are some black villains in his run (The Mikado is a black guy and the murderer in Epitath for a Hero is a black guy killing black kids ala serial killer Wayne Williams). But it's basically Question as a liberal instead of a libertarian with O'Neil trying to de-Ditkoize the character for the masses and trying to distance Vic from Rorschach (who O'Neil also craps on in granted, hilarious fashion)
>>150015289I can't immediately answer that, but from memory all the compendiums I've read are very sturdy yet also quite flexible. You can generally bend the spine pretty far and it keeps it's shape — I can't remember much struggling with any gutter loss.
>>150014370No one's ever collected Vector into a single omnibus yet. Is there some sort of legal hassle or was Dark Horse and Marvel just lazy?
>>150007441Any solid BD’s I should check out? Something light hearted/cute especially
>>150015475>i want to sell all my comics. how should i go about it ? sell as many bundles as possible? peacemeal?I mean you know what to do:>Step 0, decide how quickly you need to do this and how much you think would be a good return.>Step 1, create a list of what you have, ISBN etc with approximate condition and save it to your phone/note app etc (good, okay, bad, any prominent features or damage should be mentioned).>Step 2, find a place to store those books preferably in a sorted order so you can quickly find individual books.>Step 3, see how much those books are selling for online with a quick search, especially look out for books that are OOP or sort after or books with character movies/events coming up that could inflate the price. Do not just look at listings, look for SOLD books.>Step 4, sell stuff that is OOP or worth more piecemeal, you can use eBay, specialist Facebook groups, stuff like that.>Addendum 4.5, just because an OOP book went for a big amount does not mean you'll sell it for big amount, you need to balance your desire between speed vs how much you want to sell it for and be prepared to change prices.>Step 5, stuff that is worth far less? Take to a shop that might offer you something for it in bulk but be prepared to not get much or do a garage sale/event.>Addendum 5.5, or alternatively donate to a charity or library or little lending library!
>>150011535Thanks anon. It is a gigantic pain in the ass but it's nice to look at. Nicest place I've ever lived. Will just be glad when the moving and fixing things is mostly over. Hope you get your duck books for a good price.
>>150014296Call me whatever you want, anon. Still a scam and I'm glad i got out of the single issue game before it got to be too much.
>>150015766Fair, I'll see if I can find any videos - thanks!
>>150016072I've just checked my SMT Vol 1 Compendium again and honestly the gutter loss is probably as minimal as it possibly can be.It's a great quality book all round. I've never had any problems with compendiums. It's probably the best format any comic company has come up with.
>>150016267>I've never had any problems with compendiums.Most of the people I have seen complain about compendiums are the omnibus fanatics. In recent years there has been a lot of people getting into collected editions and they only want omnibus editions or hardcovers. It begins to feel like they don't even care about reading the contents books. (Of course formats and printing versions should be scrutinised but I feel like these people just want shelves of stuff and aren't necessarily interested in the content).There is a Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibus, same contents but now you're paying $100. Then there was a Swamp thing by Ram V deluxe edition HC that was recently changed into an omnibus, same contents but now the price has gone from $49.99 to $100. Madness.
>>150011852How is the Golden age? I didn't buy it because I genuinely never heard of it before it showed up as a rec in my LCS
>>150016418>Most of the people I have seen complain about compendiums are the omnibus fanatics. In recent years there has been a lot of people getting into collected editions and they only want omnibus editions or hardcovers. It begins to feel like they don't even care about reading the contents books. (Of course formats and printing versions should be scrutinised but I feel like these people just want shelves of stuff and aren't necessarily interested in the content).Those people are typically redditors more interested in sharing pics of their shrink-wrapped "selfies" or "hauls" and so very generally I don't value their opinions on any matters in this field.>There is a Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibus, same contents but now you're paying $100. Then there was a Swamp thing by Ram V deluxe edition HC that was recently changed into an omnibus, same contents but now the price has gone from $49.99 to $100. Madness.This is definitely bullshit, at least. I wasn't going to pick up either book but the grumbling is 100% justified. Though, you have to imagine whether anyone would complain if those two books were solicited as full-price omnibuses to begin with.Despite these recent slips, DC is still probably better in terms of collected editions, so I don't mind it too much
>>150016418I like omnibuses but I hate when they're too bloated and it's frustrating watching retards hype up crap runs because it got a fancy hardcover version. It's all for shelf pictures and bragging to the internet
>>150016454It's alright. I like it mostly just as a prelude to Robinson's Starman. Paul Smith's artwork is of course fantastic, and that's probably reason enough to get it. But as a story, it's very plot-focused and the takes on Golden Age characters are a fairly basic Watchmen-aping tweests: (i.e., "look, these two heroes have an unhappy marriage! now they're being investigated by HUAC!"). It all works in the end, but there is a sense throughout that this is a rather high-end 90s comic of saying that THESE AIN'T YOUR GRANDDADDY'S SUPERHEROES.I got a little negative there, but in the end I'd say I like it. Hell, I've read it a couple times. It's only about 5 issues and it's not offensive or anything.
>>150016765>you now remember that there are people out there who are actually going to buy the Amazing Spider-Man by Zeb Wells Omnibus Vols 1 + 2
>>150016758I have a lot of omnis, but I’m just as happy to buy a compendium, Epic or DC finest. I wish some of my DC omni stuff was in compendiums, like 5yL for example.
>>150014198Awesome thanks anon, reading the out of print previous oversized Popeye now which starts with TT stuff and really enjoyed the antics of Castor and crew, so I'm stoked to read more. Really impressed with Segar's writing and cartooning.
>>150016418>There is a Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibus, same contents but now you're paying $100. Then there was a Swamp thing by Ram V deluxe edition HC that was recently changed into an omnibus, same contents but now the price has gone from $49.99 to $100. Madness.Highway robbery.
>>150016418>Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibusWell fuck, I was looking forward to that compendium.
>>150007441Wish the old hardcover versions of the Complete Peanuts were still in print. Really liked the design for those more.
>>150016920>People clamoring for Krakoa era x-men
>>150018169Marvel were selling anthology trades of that stuff that just collected 1-2 issues of all the titles.
>>150007441First time buying a facsimile because I hate how 2-page spread appears in an omni.I'm also tempted to buy a Vampirella Archive Vol2 in our lcs later.
>>150007441I'm sorry I read digitally and when I do buy physical it's in a short box
>>150018346>First time buying a facsimile because I hate how 2-page spread appears in an omni.Gutter loss can be a real cunt
I killed another /shelf/ anon and absorbed his collection. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.
>>150011838I really hate that Black Label Logo.
>>150018837I don't even know why they released it under the Black Label since they just re-launched Vertigo.
>>150015899Aside from Tintin and Asterix, try Beautiful Darkness, Beauty and maybe The Scorpion.
>>150007521Oh. Good time as any to pull the trigger on some books i was hesitating on. Anyone wanna throw some reccs? I'd especially like some ones in the crime/ mystery section as someone new to that genre
>>150018439Just wondering, do you prefer if publishers shirk the art to give a bit space in the middle, ala-manga?Because in the omni, you can't see Storm's face at all, like this Batman page.
>>150019165*shrinkSorry for the misspell, I was preparing to go out with the family today.
>>150019165At the very least I think I would prefer that over having a big gutter and having to really push the books flat.
Picked up Books 4 and 5 of Preacher recently. Just haven’t really updated my pics lately.
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>>150019314Been considering getting the Invincible Universe Compendium. Are the Invincible Universe one-offs any good?
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>>150019357SPOON!
Whomever edited the Marvel omnibus wikipedia page must have been drunk. Events are all in their own section which makes it a shit show if you're trying to compare an event omni to the regular runs.
>>150019357Still kicking myself for missing the second Frank Miller Daredevil omnibus (Born Again, Electra Lives Again, Love & Death, Man Without Fear, etc.). I'm assuming it'll be reprinted eventually and I have all of it separately in trades, but it would've been nice to have next to the first omnibus.
>>150020670I was hoping to collect more of DD in epic line but just didn't.
>>150020670>second Frank Miller Daredevil omnibus (Born Again, Electra Lives Again, Love & Death, Man Without Fear, etc.)The second Frank Miller omni does not contain the Elektra stories. They are in a seperate Elektra omnibus.
>>150020558They have added "jump to" buttons between some omnis for the events though.
>>150021510yes but when I'm trying to just eyeball shit I'd like it to be closer together. Put shit in order. It makes more sense so I know what goes were better. It's pointless to cordon off stuff.
>>150021564The problem is there are simply too many fucking omnis so they chose to put stuff by character and category.
>>150021587Just have two windows, one on each side of the screen
>>150016039I like getting single issues but not completing runs cus I can just download a paperback.
>>150017123It's sad that there isn't much info on his cartooning style but those older Popeyes had some kinda spin off (was it Sappo?) and there is a way he draws things that genuinely look three dimensional but flat. Like his drawings have consistency.
>>150022187>TFW a trade or collection is so overpriced that it's simpler just to collect the single issues
>>150018346I know some people say what's the point but I have the Whiz Comics #1 facsimile and it's printed with old style newsprint paper and golden age size so it's basically a recreation of the original book.
Has anyone had any experience with custom bound collections?
>>150022299Yes.
>>150022531Did you like it?
>>150022589Yeah I did. I got a bunch of Mike Grell's Warlord custom bound. Wasn't cheap though.
>>150022672Nice. Warlord rules. I'm afraid to ask how you're feeling about the actual omnibus announcement.
>>150022728I had these bound many years ago. Didn't know an Omni had been announced. But I don't really need to double dip.
>>150018346That's what I expect with facsimiles too but then X-Men is published by Marvel.
>>150023183 meant for >>150022276
>>150023183>>150018346I really don't know what to think of facsimiles. As a collector I don't think there's much value in them knowing their rerprints of the original but I can see the appeal in people just wanting it to read or to have is harmless enough though I think the price is probably a bit much. I certainly don't expect them to charge what they cost in te 60 through 80s but I think we can at least knock a buck or two off
>>150023448I just wish Marvel/DC publish them in matte paper with the original colors.
>>150018169>>150018344That one's going to be a 10-volume line of the most scattershot, mediocre, overhyped modern comic slop known to man.The horror...
>>150016454It's a mixed bag quiet frankly. It was created to basically serve as a finale for All Star Squadron, which infamously got fucked over by Crisis and being relaunched as "Young All Stars"; which saw the ASS cast being shoved to the side in favor of Roy Thomas focusing on a group of new young heroes who were created to be replacements for the Golden Age Big Three. Sadly, Robinson did ZERO research, killed off characters who were present in Infinity Inc or and turned a popular ASS character (Robotman) into a Hitler fanboy and killed him off, even though Thomas had given him a happy ending that was compatible with the post-Crisis status quo for the JSA/ASS after the Crisis. The whole thing could easily be ignored if not for the fact that when Robinson was given a Starman ongoing to write, he imported his revised version of Starman into the book with regards to Jack Knight's star rod staff debuting in the Golden Age and importing Ted Knight's Golden Age backstory into the post-Zero Hour backstory for the character (IE he helped build the atom bomb and had a trolls remorse nervous breakdown when the US used his mass murder weapon he gleefully helped build) as he wrote Ted in the book. However, other writers like Peter David and Phil Jimenez explicitly hated Golden Age and used Young Justice and Wonder Woman to explicit nullify it from canon via undoing several major deaths. Robinson was pissy but opted to not fight and took the stance that only certain elements IE anything with Starman is canon but everything else isn't. And later writers like Brad Meltzer and Geoff Johns further confirmed that Golden Age is not canon. If you like Starman, it's skippable but if you like All Star Squadron, it's worth a read at least once as it's pretty much the finale that the series never got.
Anyone care to spoil Clowes's Monica for me? I am thinking about buying it but got super burnt when I bought Death Ray as a blind buy.
>>150011068I stopped in 2010 but started up again during the pandemic. The difference is now I just buy them for the covers instead of to read. My collection is probably around 80 issues, mostly variants, and I really like them. I keep telling myself I'm going to buy something to display my favorites on but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
>>150016418>There is a Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibus, same contents but now you're paying $100.If anyone is actually disappointed about Animal Man compendium 2 being changed to omnibus, there are two trade paperbacks that contain the same content and seem to be sold still at US amazon under msrp (3rd party sellers). Vol 4 Born to be wild and vol 5 Meaning of flesh. Old books from around 10 years ago. I prefer omnibus. I think it would have been less likely that DC would have abandoned omnibus releases of these old titles. I have animal man pre new 52 up to vol 7 where DC stopped releasing them. Since sellers have copies of post grant morrison Animal man trades from 10+ years ago for under msrp, Dc abandoned the releases because they weren't selling.
>>150024999It's a good book (I still prefer Like A Velvet Glove Cast in Iron though), better than any detective-themed comic I read.That page where her mother threw young Monica's pamphlet (given by some weird Evangelist in the street) in the trash bin and then young Monica just pick it up and said "That's my book". Will forever stay in my head.Can't post the image, I already deleted my pirated copy of it.
>>150018552Who wants to read forever?
>>150011068I stopped last month because of the cost and there not really being anything on the stands im interested in. For a while I've really only bought graphic novels and TPB that interest me (usually because I read them online first).
>>150017123Try as I might, I can’t find anyone to sell me a dime’s worth of latitude.
>>150025226NtaVelvet glove is great. I don’t think he’s ever come close to that in terms of quality. After Patience, which was pure shit, I can’t bring myself to read Monica.
>>150023581The recent Whiz Comics and Action Comics #1 are on matte paper. I agree that the super glossy pages that Marvel uses is too much. The art has that "glare" on the inks and the colors look over saturated because of the pure bright white page color instead of an off white.
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>>150018913Thanks
>>150027343Bump 2
>>150026251From everything I've heard, Monica is better than Patience.
>>150028967It is.
>>150026537Not facsimile floppies but these books were printed on matte paper and look a lot nicer
Die, bitch.
>>150017123It's strange to me they're reprinting all the Sundays but not the whole series. Some of those oversized volumes get pretty pricey.
>>150034509It's a shame; the dailies are great.
Recent stuff. Got Starman vol 2 compendium for 14 bucks thanks to 2nd and Charles penny a page sale.
>2 shelf threads in a monthWhy?Well, my stuff should arrive next month so I'll wait for it to post here. I'm about to start my Marvel readthrough (just finished my DC silver age one, I'm going by ages). I'll make a more detailed post later but yall got any recs? Doesnt have to necessarily be silver age, just stuff that takes chronologically at the beginning.
>>150007441Do I buy the Dematteis/Buscema Spectacular Omni or wait for the epics?
I got some new superman books a bit ago and one of the last epics I need (That aren't priced out the ass. Fuck you strange days you're not even that good.) grabbed the compact on a whim just to see how they felt and it was cheap as fuck. It was okay but I think I prefer my comics a bit larger. The Busiek stuff was terrific and the City of Tomorrow is a nice Upgrade to the old trades.
next to the old one volume worlds at war. Which I really wonder how these will compare to the upcoming omnibus version.
>>150036740Also my order from Fantagraphics. Not a huge fan of a lot of their output but I do like Paco Roca.>>150037605Really need to get around to buying those Busiek Superman collections. Secret Identity is one of my top 5 Superman stories.
>>150037891>Really need to get around to buying those Busiek Superman collectionsThey're good. I'd honestly love to see more collections formatted like that. Good hardcover. Lot of stories while being comfortable to hold and not bloated and way cheaper than a fucking omnibus.
>>150034509Agreed, the oversized is cool but pretty unwieldy, I'd kill for some smaller paperbacks of the dailies.
>>150007441I really want to pick up some Prince Valiant but vol 1 seems OOP
>>150037081Omar from near mint condition in a stream from yesterday said the spectacular spider-man by JDM&Buscema is low in stock and will be OOP in 2 weeks. So if you don't have money now, wait for epics.
>>150040327It still baffles me that a such a small channel like Omar's somehow has the power to decide what omnis/epics get republished
>>150040327I was really on the fence about that one. Amazing is one of my main line of collecting and I have the Spec Vol 1 and Web Vol 1 but the more I look at it the more you realize just how much a lot of omnis really is. So I don't know that I really want to go all in on the satellite books.
I wish these artist books were not jumbo sized editions. I would rather have something normal sized and affordable like Fanta's Fletcher Hanks book
>>150040430I do appreciate there at least being some avenue to make our voices heard through his polls and stuff but like most things it really does cultivate an audience of sycophants sometimes
>>150037081If you're gonna get a Spectacular omni that is the one to go for
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Picking up Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow Saturday
>>150041977Kill yourshelf.
>>150040327We ain't getting Epics. We would have gotten them already and now that the MMW line is dead, we are at the mercy of Marvel continuing to put out the regular Spectacular Omnibus collections
>>150040327Fuck's sake. I hate this.Marvel's pumping out so many of these books and cutting back print runs so much that the FOMO is worse than ever these days. ASM Vol 6 came out back in February and it was already near completely out-of-print in a couple of months. This shouldn't be how it is. Why can't they be reasonable?
>>150007492Got pics?
>>150045052Ill admit the Fourth World absolutes look pretty sick. I prefer the old four volume omnibus series for reading it though.
>>150040236I’ve got the Amazon victim checked
>>150045201>the old four volume omnibus series. NTA, but yeah, those are the best way to experience The Fourth World. That line in general is the best way to read his 70's DC output, imo. I have the absolutes and they are as unwieldy as any omnibus.
>>150043927What's worse is so many of these oversized tomes just aren't comfortable and fun to read at all. And marvel will find any excuse to break up and pad shit to sell it as multiple series.
>>150045648So you're complaining that the omnibuses are often way too big and so completely uncomfortable to read... but then you're also complaining about when they split up big runs into multiple smaller omnibuses?Maybe just stick to trades desu
>>150045888I'm complaining about padding and gauging
>>150045920Ah right, thought you just meant breaking up a run into multiple smaller volumes. Missed the point in between about adding in unnecessary issues.Those recent ASM volumes have been throwing in random Spidey-centric issues of What If? from the time and I can't honestly say I care for them. Same with whenever they throw in a FOOM or a Not Brand Ecch issue.
>>150045979The Road to Onslaught omnis are a complete shit show. All I want is the core books but they're loaded with minis. That kind of shit should go in a "companion" if you want a second book.
Are floppies /shelf/?Just helped a friend's dad sort and organize his 2,000+ issue collection of various titles. Took a full day and a half but I got paid $50 for my time and effort, plus a few copies of random stuff he thought I'd like. I didn't but I didn't want to be rude.
>>150046135Floppies are fun.
>>150046135>Are floppies /shelf?yes
>>150046135Any comics or comic related books are /shelf/
>>150042028Uh, tomorrow is Tuesday.
>>150040236What should Kayfabe sub be replaced with?
>>150046135Floppies are welcome to /shelf/. So, post your new floppies, fren.
>>150048475>wally woodtasty
>>150048475nice statue
>>150049090Thanks.It's an old clock.
>>150040236You've got me dead to rights not going to lie
>>150040236>>150049853Does it count as Unironic if I keep getting funkos as a gift? Because if nothing else it is nice to be thought of. Someone trying to make you smile. And to at least some level expressing that they know the kind of thing you like.
>>150050234Just tell them you're not into that garbage. If they care for you, they'll understand.
>>150046017Some of those minis are relevant though. The Brood mini resolves an unresolved Claremont plotline, the Crimson Dawn mini wraps up Betsy getting healed via mystic mumbo jumbo, and so forth.
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>>150044432>>150051109
>>150051109>>150051125>>150044432Also just ordered Quest of the Time Bird by Regis Loisel
>>150051192Pretty spines.
>>150051234I used to own a few of these as a kid already. The Seven Crystal Balls, Black Gold and Coke on Supply. Was more of a Donald Duck chad at the time so I preferred reading those.
>>150051192How's the lettering on this collection?
>>150051109snazzy
>>150045052>shrink wrap>>150043927>Marvel's pumping out so many of these books and cutting back print runs so much that the FOMO is worseI got burnt out because of it. The slower pace was better. I am not joking when I say: I think a collected edition bubble will soon be burst. Whilst there are plenty of titles that people still want, they are also publishing the absolute dregs. And anecdotally I have seen quite a few anons in private facebook collectors groups get rid of their whole collection because they overconsumed. >>150040430Omar is a genuinely nice guy who stays away from politics and garnered a good audience. Remember the audience for collected editions is relatively small in general and watching Omar beats reading solicits. So Omar just started doing polls and telling Marvel what came up at the top of his poll or just told them when a book was missing content. He then built up a relationship with David Gabriel, who I believe is head of publishing. And started doing paid for content.
>>150051319Readable! Typical amount of white space for Dutch Translations iirc
>>150052874>>shrink wrapYou know I don't get how people can leave there's in wrapping unless they're hoping to flip later. I might not always read everything I get as soon as I get it but I at least like to check for damages or defects. I don't want to open a book seven months later and find that it's missing pages. QC isn't the tops. >I think a collected edition bubble will soon be burst. Ditto. A lot of people got in from movie hype or quarantine but with both those not being at their peak I suspect it will fall out sooner rather than later. >Omar is a genuinely nice guy who stays away from politics and garnered a good audience. I like Omar. And would love to sit down and talk comics with him. And it is kind of cool to see someone with a good bit of charisma actually push comics instead of bitching. Even if he's on the take you can kind of tell when he's playing ball versus something he genuinely hypes.
>>150050234Like >>150050395 said, just tell them to get you anything other than funko trash
>>150053611>I don't want to open a book seven months later and find that it's missing pages.Exactly, I am still not over some flipped pages I found recently.>Ditto. A lot of people got in from movie hype or quarantine but with both those not being at their peak I suspect it will fall out sooner rather than later.To connect it to NMC, as much as I like people like Omar, sometimes I think Youtubers like him have helped create this bubble a bit. The recommended comics hype machine pushes people to go all-in for collections rather than say try out a run in a trade or something and go from there. I would never tell someone to pick up an omni of something, I'd lend them a trade. Big collected editions should not be the entry point. Every thread we meme about Zeb Wells Spider-Man getting an omni, but that is a good representation. I like the Star Wars stuff but the quantity and speed they have been released at has put me off.>I like Omar. And would love to sit down and talk comics with him. And it is kind of cool to see someone with a good bit of charisma actually push comics instead of bitching. Even if he's on the take you can kind of tell when he's playing ball versus something he genuinely hypes.I've watched some longer streams when he maps out a book with his pals and they do seem like good people and do have opinions but yeah, he is someone who is just genuine enough to not be seen as just marketing.I need to find some new comics Youtubers, I mostly just miss Cartoonist Kayfabe because they just shot the shit about such a decent variety of stuff.
>>150040236>statueI have a few......
>>150045201>>150045463I have the old omnibus collections. I got the 4th world absolutes as an upgrade. The old omnibus is standard trade paperback size but I'm probably reading at home anyway so I like a larger trim size. Now I did take an old 4th world omni with me to read in the car before. And it was probably a mistake. The sun is bad for books in general but the old DC Kirby omnibuses use paper closer to the paper an old comic book would use. It's closer to newsprint. So the sun can and did yellow the paper a bit. The binding on the old DC Kirby omnibuses seem like regular glued binding and you have to put effort to see the stuff in the gutter. This is the worst example I found so it's not bad. Everyone has seen much worse. I use the Devil Dinosaur omnibus from Marvel as a comparison. Marvel always uses this glossy paper that isn't faithful to old comic books but the binding is nice, probably sewn, and it's easier to see art in the gutter. Virtually no gutter loss in this example. It's also oversized unlike the old DC collections. This is a cherry pick though as the devil dinosaur omnibus is 176 pages, probably the thinnest marvel omnibus ever released. The absolute is in another room and I am being lazy. >>150052874>shrink wrapYeah I'll open and read them soon™(never). I'll amass as many shrink wrapped 100 dollar hardcovers as I can muster to take a picture specifically for a shelf thread. Krakoa X-men, Tom King, and Scott Snyder omnis here I come!
>>150053735>To connect it to NMC, as much as I like people like Omar, sometimes I think Youtubers like him have helped create this bubble a bitOh yeah. A lot of people really take what youtubers say as gospel. It's annoying to a degree. I do wish we had some better hype for epics more reasonable trades but they don't seem to be in any trouble at any rate. I see a lot of redditors asking what their first omnibus should be or what they should get despite not knowing anything about the character and I try to stear them to epics or finests or something less of a cost sink. >I need to find some new comics YoutubersPerch is alright but he either mostly talks about numbers or why arguments on other end are just unreasonable. It's nice to get more perspective but I want to see more people talk about actual comics.
>>150053813Guess I'll also contribute with my shelves proper. DC shelves
>>150053834Marvel shelves
>>150052874A burst is absolutely coming. I've said as much on this board before. Eventually people will either have bought all the runs they'll want to own or they'll have run out of space or money, or both. Then, all of a sudden, nobody will want to buy the Marville: 25th Anniversary Omnibus or whatever and the Big Two are gonna find themselves with literal tons of expensive and immovable product on their hands.You can see Marvel's already trying to get ahead of this with these ever-shrinking print runs of theirs, but as I've said, that only encourages exhausting FOMO. That'll probably just become another reason as to why consumers tap out of collecting like this.
>>150053860And my indie/spillover shelves with bonus big boi Toguro for good measure
>>150053870DC might have some life for the moment, they're only just starting to make strides but marvel is pretty close to filling out a lot of their classic runs either through omni epics or a combination thereof.
>>150053829>Oh yeah. A lot of people really take what youtubers say as gospel. It's annoying to a degree. I do wish we had some better hype for epics more reasonable trades but they don't seem to be in any trouble at any rate. I see a lot of redditors asking what their first omnibus should be or what they should get despite not knowing anything about the character and I try to stear them to epics or finests or something less of a cost sink.It isn't even neccessarily Youtubers fault its just.. people come into comics space and its WHAT'S RECOMMENDED, WHERE DO I START and someone gives such bland untailored answers as if someone dropping a bunch of money on stuff will make them a fan. Epics have been fucked by omnis to be honest and should have had more support but waiting for an Epic is like being on life support.>but I want to see more people talk about actual comics.I don't want people who constantly bitch/moan, I don't want pure marketers, I don't want wiki summarises, I don't want people too pretentious, I just want people looking at comics and talking about them with some good points. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is.>>150053870Like I said, I have seen a bunch of full omni collections hitting the market. Whilst I admit this is purely anecdotal, as this stuff hits the market it'll only contribute to the problems because the market will be further diluted. >You can see Marvel's already trying to get ahead of this with these ever-shrinking print runs of theirsThey already cancelled the Masterwork line because they realised that was massively declining. I was talking about this to someone else who said they think this stuff needs to just go into a crowdfunding area at this point, massively focused on quality rather than quantity.
>>150053957DC got fucked during covid and the AT&T buy out a few years ago where it completely gutted its collected edition department. Anons were constantly fucked around with cancelled books or omnis becoming hardcovers and their output was abysmal.But DC did seem to build up over recent years and DC seemed to be trying to do different things with the smaller compact size books for cheaper editions and the compendiums for massive bang for your buck. But now you have them jumping into the omni arena more. See: >>150016418>There is a Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibus, same contents but now you're paying $100. Then there was a Swamp thing by Ram V deluxe edition HC that was recently changed into an omnibus, same contents but now the price has gone from $49.99 to $100. Madness.
>>150053967It really doesn't help how fucking expensive books have become and so few places where I live seem to offer decent discounts anymore.
>>150053967>It isn't even neccessarily Youtubers fault its justYou can only blame them so far. It's the audience who need to just mindlessly buy everything to try and fit in quickly. > Epics have been fucked by omnis to be honest and should have had more support but waiting for an Epic is like being on life support.I really feel like epic should have been the bread and butter line. They're cheaper. More appealing to new readers and if marvel had sense they'd be higher print or potentially evergreen for some characters.> I don't want people too pretentious, I just want people looking at comics and talking about them with some good points. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is.Something like a book club discussion. I'd love to see that. People giving their thoughts on runs and issues. It really is just all drama and outrage farming.>>150053999Compendiums are a nice format but of course dullards will intentionally want to get a more prestige (read expensive) format. I honestly don't know how they managed to get those Busiek superman books out so cheap.
>>150053735>Thomas Pitilli>Earl Grey>Analog ComicsTry these channels you might like them.
>>150054036Even the online retailers don't seem to offer the same bargains and sales they used to. I remember seeing damaged books go for a song and the worst that was wrong with them was the shrink wrap came undone. Or a minor, if noticeable, ding in the corner.
>>150054078Thanks for the suggestions anon, will take a gander.
>>150054087I swear I used to get stuff off anywhere between 30-50% off RRP. And now you can barely get 10%.
anyone got the carl barks library vol 1 yet? my copies on its way but im in aus so I assume people in the us already have it. curious if they cut anything. My guess for a while now was they were gonna cut the Good Deeds story
>>150016418>There is a Animal Man book by Rick Veitch and Steve Dillion that was originally solicited as a compendium for $59.99 but has been changed to an omnibus, same contents but now you're paying $100.FUCK!
>>150054273yeah shit sucks. I'm getting tired of paying out the ass for things I'm only casually interested in
Can't believe Antarctic put a girl choking a penguin to death with her thighs on the cover of a comic
>>150040236So whats the deal with the Xstatix omni
>>150055270gotta try anything these days
>>150007441the amount of money this lady has dropped on omnis and other stuff
>>150055460X Statix isn't so popular it is common place on shelves but isn't so niche it is never seen. It is a weird convergence of taste where a lot of anons liked that run and recommended it.
>>150055552I have a whole bookshelf of them myself but this was from years of collection. It always stuns me to see someone post a picture of like 5 omnis and any given number of other trades all in one haul.
>>150055789i checked her tiktok and apparently she's been collecting for years too. there's definitely more than just those shelves, like>welcome to my vaulti wish i had that kind of spare money and space.
>>150053870>The burst is absolutely comingI agree. As a Silver/Bronze Age guy I have nearly everything I want from Marvel. Even given my interest in Bronze Age Marvel, I'm not interested in following the FF after Kirby's departure so I didn't even consider vol's 5&6. It's the same with Thor. I have to think there are other collectors who feel the same way about any number of titles. More and more I ask myself if I really want something before I buy it and in the case of Marvel stuff the answer is usually no.
>>150055967I'm finding myself more and more willing to just live with gaps.
>>150056026>I'm finding myself more and more willing to just live with gaps.Collecting full runs was always a bit overrated
>>150040327>wait for epics.Always do! Inferno, Power Pack, Spectacular, Team America, and reprints any day now!
>>150056062It sounds fun at first, you get excited as a fanboy but after so many books you realize just much a lot really is.
I'm thinking of giving up my collection and just going digital.
>>150056479I may downsize but I don't think I can handle going full digital. I like holding a book too much.
>>150056479I was gonna ask what Epics you had, but I don't wanna pay more than retail, and you can make a lot more than retail on out of print ones
>read book by looking downNeck pain>read while holding it in the airArm pain>read while laying on bedBack painHELP
>>150056753You need to work out.
>>150056739>I was gonna ask what Epics you hadI have nearly every Epic printed. About a 1/3 of the ones I have are ones I actually wanted and the rest I got through various circumstances.
>>150056753I use a laptop lap stand and reading chair. But for you I'd suggest a pic related.
>>150056797Lucky, there's 27 I still need
>>150056822Whats the name of that thing?
>>150056919book stand
>>150056919Just called a book stand, sometimes a lecturn, although lecturns tend to be podiums for public speaking. If you're worried about weight, remember a lot of these are built with big thick copies of the bible in mind.
>>150056916>LuckyI was pretty lucky: I got a large portion of someone's collection via a Facebook group, found a bookstore going into liquidation who had a bunch of random epics and I got a box of epics at a carboot sale.
>>150056996I wish I got more as they were coming out. The second hand market is worse the omnibus
>>150056968Yeah I was going to ask if it can hold an omnibus or an absolute. Gonna see if I can find one on amazon
>>150057039>I wish I got more as they were coming out.This is the worst thing about collected editions. You really have to keep reading the solicits all the time and preorder things you actually want.
>>150057039>The second hand market is worse the omnibusIt's absurd this is true
>>150057070Yeah I didn't even know like half of them were ever printed and I really don't want to just hover around waiting for news about this stuff but it feels like its the only way sometimes.
>>150057125People talk about the barrier to entry with comic books and stuff like this just does it.>oh you want to read that, read a bunch of previews and stay on top of them
>>150050234I think funkos are cringe but I do own a Vegeta that I bought a long time ago alongside a Goku for my brother. It's sentimental and I can overlook it considering it's the only one I own.
>>150058345I really don't get why people get so hung up on them. They're cheap pieces of junk but most anything everyone buys is overpriced tat. They're just the beanie babies of this generation.
Did the Ultron Cover of Annihilation Conquest already sell out? That just came out. I had the original three hardcover trades but was considering double dipping but I don't like the other cover
>>150056083look at them tits
>>150058881Part of it is because they're cheap pieces of junk touted as collectables. The company that puts them out has obviously put a lot of marketing into this aspect, such as the special "store exclusives" and a prominent numbering sticker on every box. Also the boxes take up a lot of space, which is unsightly in stores and god forbid you keep a wall of "mint condition box-unopened" funkos on your wall.
>>150057060don't forget a selection of old-timey candles if you're investing in this.
>>150059459Fren, I'm sure Anon is just reading his comics and not The Wisdom from the Stars.
Has anyone drastically thinned out their comic collection? I was able to get rid of 90% of my regular books which saved a lot of space and feels much nicer only having things I know I will re-read consoling myself with the fact I have an e-reader but I haven't been able to do the same with my comics yet besides a handful of things I owned with some duplicate content. I always think it is retarded to get rid of x book when I still have y and z book, please help
>>150055967I wasn't interested in FF Vols 5 + 6 either for exactly that reason. All I really need to finish off what I'm interested in re Marvel's Silver/Bronze Age is:>ASM Vol 7>Captain America Vols 2 + 3>Avengers Vol 6Plus maybe Thor Vols 2 + 3 and Daredevil Vol 1, if they ever actually want to reprint those books. But hey, apparently Marvel's scaling back reprints now to practically nil all so they can focus on pumping out more new new new books>>150059970The most I've done so far is just given some of my old trades to charity shops. I've been considering selling off a few of the omnibuses I know I'm never going to re-read. Unfortunately, like the anon upthread said, the second hand market for these is pretty poor. Seems to depend a lot on which country you're in, which Facebook groups you can find, and, most of all, whether there's actually anyone interested in what you're trying to sell. I want to get rid of my Thor by Simonson, for instance. But no one's going to buy a battered second-hand omni when they can spend a little more for a brand new copy if it's available.
>>150059970I unloaded a bunch of stuff on eBay. I got rid of quite a few Omnis I didn't want or were too big to read comfortably. I cleared quite a bit of space and made a bit of money in the process. I'm not really looking to thin things out as I am to trim the dead weight.
>>150057380>People talk about the barrier to entry with comic books and stuff like this just does it.I always bring this up but the response is always something like, "if they really want it they can figure it out." And they wonder why it's an atrophying hobby.
>>150028928Bump III: The Bumpening?
>>150040327>Omaridk man...
>>150060689>I always bring this up but the response is always something like, "if they really want it they can figure it out." See I have mixed opinions about this. I have friends who complain that movies are all bad superhero movies now. I have a subscription card for the cinema, I pay a monthly fee, I can see unlimited films and I average a movie a week. So I see a lot of films and all the upcoming trailers, I tell him about drama, horror and all this stuff coming up but he doesn't care. Movies are all x, making the effort to watch or see something different requires cutting through his ignorance, the narratives he has built up which requires films to have a HUGE pull factor, since the push factor is gone.Entertainment now is more phones, social media, YouTube, streaming, second screen watching. It's distraction, passive not active. So telling anyone to make even the tiniest bit of effort is really fucking difficult. Keeping on top of hobby news isn't that hard, it can be annoying sure, but when it's the choice of: a little bit of effort vs no effort, people nowadays are so stuck in burn out and comfort viewing they will choose no effort every time.So yeah, it is a barrier and it is atrophying the hobby. But then it isn't an insurmountable barrier and it just requires a little bit of effort. This is why fans, retailers, everyone else, end up needing to be hobby ambassadors, because people live and die on this shit, simple word or mouth, simple explainers. My LCS, the shop owner has good knowledge, can tailor recommendations and expand taste. The average LCS? Nope.
>>150055967I'm in a similar boat, where I have zero interest in 95% of Marvel after the 80's... outside of brief highlights in the 90's and 2000's there's nothing worth collecting. That being said, I can't fathom the mindset of someone like yourself that would stop FF4 after Kirby's departure. I love the 70's and 80's FF4, and fight it very enjoyable through Thomas/Conway/Wein/Wolfman/Byrne/etc.Once the omnis catch up to the already collected Byrne issues I'm done. Most of Marvel is getting close to their 80's drop-off points, so I'll only be left with neglected material like Defenders, Dr Strange, Daredevil, Spectacular SM, Team-Up, Two-in-One, Namor... actually I guess there's still a few titles to look out for. Speaking of neglected material; DC has ignored their omnis/hardcovers for so long that I'm now excited every time they announce a new book. It's almost certain to be something on my wishlist (like 70's Batman), as opposed to Marvel where I have to sift through the modern dreck announcements for the silver/bronze age nugget.
>>150061842I tried to read the post Lee issues in Vol 4 and I kept dozing off. Repeatedly. My opinions are out of line with /co on a lot of stuff, though. I didn’t like Byrne’s FF at all. For one thing his inking was ass and the stories were just a bummer. I like Cockrum on X-Men better than Byrne and I don’t like Simonson Thor either. Blasphemy, I know, but there it is. In terms of Thor, I don’t like either version if the colors, Simonson’s art or designs, Thor is brainwashed or dying for most of the run. Sal Buscema turns in one of the worst runs of his career and Thor just ditches the guy that helps him against the cask of winters elf and so on.
>>150062135All perfectly acceptable opinions, can't say that I share them but it is what it is.Now... if you had dared to say something negative about Roger Stern, that'd be blasphemy. Spider-Man, Avengers, Strange... all peak superhero work.
>>150062210I love Stern.
>>150062255Ah good, my fears are abated. Also, if you didn't enjoy Lee's post-Kirby FF4 material you might want to dip a toe into the post-Lee material. Just saying...
>>150062370Okay, why not? I’ll give it a shot. I like to give things a chance. I didn’t enjoy early Defenders the first time around, but I loved it on the second pass.
>>150053870>the Big Two are gonna find themselves with literal tons of expensive and immovable product on their hands.Even if whatever a burst is defined as happens I can't see the inventory being an issue. They know what sells and what doesn't, they aren't going to keep reprinting stuff with lower sales numbers once the bigger books slow down. I just can't see a world where they suddenly print an appropriate amount of books instead of the bare minimum and suddenly that is when everyone collectively decides to stop buying stuff. They are never printing vol 1 and 2 of something back to back regardless of how popular it's expected to be they need sales numbersThe big issue is what the fuck are they going to sell instead and what are they actually doing to bring in new readers?
I'll have things to show you tomorrow, if you can live until then. But I am going to shill William Messner-Loeb's biography Wanderland and the complete 1000-page collection of Journey (originally published by Aardvark-Vanaheim back in the day) because WML needs your money, deserves your money and you deserve those books
>>150062447Nice, it's nothing mind blowing or "epic" in scale like a lot of Kirby/Lee's original run but it's character work is interesting and it's neat to see other writer's take on established villains. It's nothing mind-blowing but I found it to be more fun than Lee's late work on the title.
>By book on ebay>It still hasn't shipped
>>150063870>sell book on ebay like site>buyer leaves me a bad review because "shipping was slow" >literally shipped it 2 days after the order which was well within time frame I'm not amazon and this isn't my fucking job, leave me alone
>>150064022>It's another reddit post complaint that IST isn't amazon>What do you mean my preorder doesn't arrive at the release date. Amazon has warped people
>>150064093Amazon will literally just cancel my pre-order the day it is supposed to arrive because they are out of stock which is actually worth complaining about but nobody gives a shit
>>150062816https://www.criticalblast.com/content/book-storeThis is the place to buy directly right?Journey is a series I've heard people speak highly of but they only ever mention it in passing. It's been on my list for awhile.
>>150064230Yeah that's the publisher
When should I stop buying books I never read?
>>150064500Unless you have some other unique use for them or have some 500IQ investment strategy with them I would say stop immediately anon
>>150007441>Want to buy things.>Remember I will die and they'll be a burden to my children.>Want to sell things.>Remember comic collectors are inherently Jewish, even if they're not, and try to nitpick and/or jew you down on everything.>Want to just pirate things>DC doesn't digitize there omnis/collecteds really anymore. I'm doomed shelf.
>>150064548>Remember I will die and they'll be a burden to my children.This is where you and I differ. My collection will be an heirloom of my kingdom. It is precious to me. I would never wish any harm to come to it.
>>150064635It's not that I don't enjoy this stuff; especially when displayed and organized. I just don't want to leave my family in a mess with it.
>>150064548>>Remember I will die and they'll be a burden to my children.They'll just bin it
>>150064162This has been happening for many years. Amazon just accepts pre orders far beyond it's allocation. It is not like it has 1,000 copies coming and will have 1,000 pre orders. The simply find it easier to let down some people. Other shops will just sell within their allocation and they will over order just in case of damage and to have stock.
>>150064548>Remember I will die and they'll be a burden to my children.Ah you triggered me, one of my buddies died and he was a low key hoarder. And the really sad thing is a bunch of the good stuff he had hadn't been stored properly as the hoard got built so was pretty much ruined. Stuff shouldn't own you. Books are meant to be read, not collected.
>>150064658Yeah that sucks about you not teaching your kids to appreciate comics as a medium
>>150064678Nta. We done have much beyond books and furniture. My stuff could be disposed of in a day. There’s nothing wrong with collecting, besides that ngl I grew up in an environment of chaos, material possessions represent security for me.
>>150064162I will never preorder anything on Amazon after missing out on the Colossal King Conan due to this happening
>>150064747>we don’t have much beyond books…
>>150064747I wasn't insulting all collecting, anon, I'm just saying that too much stuff is a problem.
>>150064824It's not too much until the floor gives out, and if you live at ground level you can afford to go deeper
I often do worry that I got caught up in the hype of collecting than actually enjoying. It's easy and it feels good when you get new stuff and it's not as if I buy everything just to buy it but it also doesn't have quite the same feeling as when I was more of a back issue hunter. Collecting floppies is funner I think. Going through your long boxes and getting lost reading issues you haven't thought about in ages is fun. The stories themselves are still enjoyable in trade or omni format but it's also not really the same.
>>150064845It's too much when it owns you. When you can't clean your house properly. When the stuff you like is neglected. When you just want to add to it with no real thought to why.
>>150064845The collector delved too greedily too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum... shadow and flame.
>>150064887Yeah. I certainly don't expect everything to reread everything they own with regularity and I don't profess to keep a complete mental inventory of all the shit I own and we all made poor impulse decisions but there's a point when it's just a dragon's hoard. Not intending to post twice in a row but I really got LOTR on the mind lately.
>>150064658Someone either gets free comics or people have to take books off a shelf and put them into a bin. It's not exactly a "burden" to concern yourself with anon>>150064748I don't want to hurt comic shops but Amazon is often much cheaper where I live, the money I save buying on Amazon is more than enough to cover buying an omni the day it comes out elsewhere if my pre-order gets cancelled.Even damaged books often cost more from these stores than new on Amazon
>>150007441>Crowdfunding comicsAnything I should look out for?
>>150065041>Someone either gets free comics or people have to take books off a shelf and put them into a bin. It's not exactly a "burden" to concern yourself with anonSee I'm living implicit instructions to send me on my way viking style. Just trow all my shit on a pyre and let us burn
>>150065110Nexus Omnibus got funded recently
>>150064350Cool thanks>option for a 1000 page hardcoveroof
>>150065236DON''TCHA WANT IT
>>150065213will it be available for purchase in the future? I forgot about it
>>150062210Stern is overrated.
>>150064904>>150064904>'They have taken the basement… and the second hall.'>'We have built the shelves, but cannot keep them clear for long. The wallet shakes.'>'Deliveries… deliveries in the deep.'>'We cannot get out. A shadow moves on the porch.'>'We cannot get out… They are coming!'
>>150065110Glacier Bay is funding more English releases for indie manga Theres also one for a new release of the Italian cowboy series Tex
Do you ever feel like comics don't read as well when you read them collected edition bin style? Not that they're bad or anything, far from it, but they were written to be released monthly and that gives them a different kind of vibe pacing wise.
>>150066625>Yes, but how about second parcel?
>>150067450I think the problem which I have noticed is a lot of people read a single issue too fast and don't really let it sink in a bit. Yeah, having all the stories and binging it is a bit like streaming TV rather than taking it as an episodic release; a huge glut of stuff with no pacing rather than a more relaxed approach.
>>150067534I remember back when I was young and still collecting floppies as they came out I would read them over and over again till the next issue came you. When you have a month to focus on a single issue you really do give more focus and analysis
>>150067663The psychology of consumption is weirdly important. Back then you got something and cherished it because of scarcity. When you get too much of something you can easily lessen its impact.This is partly why Marvel pumping out so much content is bad. You've got a bunch of people who would religiously buy books every quarter because there would be something they wanted but now there is too much.
>>150061747>Keeping on top of hobby news isn't that hard, it can be annoying sure, but when it's the choice of: a little bit of effort vs no effortI agree with you in principle. The question here is of degree. The convoluted distribution method for comics and the confusing shenanigans (crossovers, events, miniseries, prerequisites) are such that it's just too much for anyone without our autism levels. Sure, require some effort, but needing to research reading orders online, pre-order issues to avoid sucker pricing, these are all inherently anti-consumer and even people with a good faith degree of willingness to work a bit are immediately put off.
>>150059242The book was getting canceled they didn't give a fuck
>>150068124There's definitely a mental aspect to it. And you're right, it's almost too much at times. It's especially obvious in how events are handled. Big event crossover comics were rarely, if ever, handled gracefully but now what might have simple ate up a summer of a handful of issues is now a nightmare that plagues the whole company. And with comic prices only going up it's a nightmare to get everything. I could afford every X-title through the 90s on a simple allowance and some extra chores. Now I can't keep up and I have a goddamn job. Not some wagie shit either.
>>150060689Well its that but there's a lot of societal problems >>150061747 like this Joey mentioned that are harder to solve
>>150068236To be clear I am not arguing one way or another since I can see it both ways. Events and stuff are not that difficult: read the main series or stuff you're interested in. I do NOT believe it to need "autism levels" since literal children could follow along. I simply believe it is just slightly convoluted enough, especially percetion wise, to terrify people. Everyone you meet says some variation of "I like to try new things" and rather quickly this turns out to be a lie because people fall into set patterns and behaviours. The problem is that breaking these set patterns and behaviours often requires a specific path to form and happen. But all this requires effort. All hobbies have perceived benefits vs a buy in and the problem is people naturally weigh this stuff and need someone decent to simply explain things. The comics pipeline is super bad at this and the industry just thinks renumbering solves the problem.
>>150061842I love 70s Marvel Except for Daredevil, he reads like a parody of Spider-Man who only remembers Spider-Man making jokes and complaining.
>>150067450You just notice that the first two to three pages are recaps
>>150068605Comics are weird that if you over explain things it does sound really weird and confusing but if you actually just read the damn things it's not. Like in any given story the confusing parts are likely to be explained in the event they come up or most of the time they won't come up at all.
>>150068483>I could afford every X-title through the 90s on a simple allowance and some extra chores.I always like this video of Harlan Ellison moaning about Death of Superman and comics pricing in the 90s.https://youtu.be/SgAXCT99m0M
>>150068236These days I dont try to get people into superhero stuff unless they're specifically into it.
>>150068713>Him complaining about comics costing 2 buckshah.
>>150068738Always like seeing comics called magazines.Also I got the first Luke Epic and I've never seen a book want to use the word nigger more than this does
>>150068695>Comics are weird that if you over explain things it does sound really weird and confusing but if you actually just read the damn things it's notMy friend watched the Netflix series You and explained the plot to me and it was fucking weird and all over the place. Point being that from the outside, stuff, especially fiction, can look weird. I'm sure it would make more sense if I watched it. The problem is simply that people don't want to read the damn things and to an extent I can't blame them because the 90s destroyed them as a great pasttime and they never recovered and as a medium they have constant problems. But then you have the weight of the competition too.If someone comes up to me and says, you're a comics guy, what should I read? I will always be open and give them good recommendations, explain things to the best of my knowledge too. And I think that is all you can be, open and avaliable and able to actually just talk to someone about them.
>>150068738Bonus round:https://youtu.be/4Ji5j_8f5BEhttps://youtu.be/4Ji5j_8f5BE>HARLAN ELLISON INTERVIEW PART ONE - Harlan talks about his childhood and comic books.>HARLAN ELLISON INTERVIEW PART TWO - Harlan talks about how comic books influenced his life and works.
>>150068831https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsMIRSI8tEWhoops forgot to post part 2
>>150068807Yeah like"It takes place in the future and Batman is old and a teenager replaces him and they have made up words they use" doesn't give you the impact of just watching Batman Beyond
>>150068713>>150068831>>150068879Thanks, I'm gone down the Ellison rabbithole:https://youtu.be/fHf_DtcxhpE?si=raHZezBnF62tFpfSMan, I wish I could tell anecdotes like this fucking guy.
>>150068879That is great he predicts the 90s crash and talks about shitty comic events.
>>150069450That Death of Superman one is part of a whole playlist called Harlan Ellison Watching:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgAXCT99m0M&list=PLn5mSh00tKGGwiZ0CsZvWAzA0M2xQn8jAHarlan Ellison Watching was originally the name of his essays and reviews but then he got a segment on sci-fi buzz show doing those little rants. Some of those rants go over stuff like comics, PC culture amongst other things. When he rants about the internet message boards it sounds like you could say the same things today.And since I am shilling 90s shit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lkKb_iAHfQ&list=PLiHj7YTOqKUgTJP_NdQjZD6zHpqnHVgJCPrisoners of Gravity was a Canadian show that went over comics, sci-fi and other stuff. Loads of good interviews.To keep it /co/: https://jimshooter.com/2011/06/plagiaris.html/Bill Mantlo once ripped off Harlan Ellison. Jim Shooter talked to Harlan and managed to calm him down. Rather than suing Ellison got a subscription to every Marvel comic for free as well as a credit/payment. Ellison has written some comics too.
>>150068625I always liked DD more for the art but also it was kind of neat to see Marvel experiment a little with the title. Moving him to San Francisco, adding some espionage with SHIELD, etc. Not a big seller, so it was free to be a little different... until finally striking paydirt with the ninja + mysticism under Miller.
Is it just me or is the DeMatties Spectacular Omnibus flawed as fuck for not including all of Maximum Carnage? We lose Harry's funeral and the final battle, which is in the cemetery where Harry is buried and the subsequent passing of the torch from the Green Goblin to Carnage as Peter's new arch nemesis. Plus #2004-216 could have been held off for a Clone Saga Prelude omnibus since adjectiveless Spiderman and Web of Spiderman have clone saga build up material that otherwise will never get collected.
>>150068879>that story of Jim Shooter calling up Denny O'Neil who was having a heart by passOof, Shooter had issues.
>>150069546Very rare to see a positive Ellison story where he was mad and everything ended fine>>150069554I think I'm doing the art a disservice by reading 80s Moon Knight at the same time
>>150070032>Very rare to see a positive Ellison story where he was mad and everything ended fineEllison is a pretty nice guy, sure he can kvetch but he is mostly entertaining doing it. His books are great too. Like Jim Shooter said: Ellison had them over a barrel and it is lucky Ellison was fair. Ellison wasn't litigious for the sake of it but was protective of his work, like when he sued James Cameron over Terminator. Cameron had literally said he ripped off Ellison in an interview as well as to a mutual acquaintance.
>>150070032Yep, Sienkiewicz will do that.
>>150069546One thing that stuck with me from Harlan's watching was how hard he pushed to see creators get their due. A lot of great writers deserved those awards and never got them for stupid reasons.
>>150070204They were really petty with Ellison over that, one of the awards was with a group he had been chair of for a long time too before moving on from it. The man was all about creator rights and wasn't afraid to express it.
>>150070267Yeah it seemed less like he was sue happy and more he just wanted to get his fair shake. To make sure others get theirs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLr9HG2ASsWhen so many people buckle under or do it for publicity it really does devalue them all.
>>150054167If anyone cares the digital rip just came out so checked and yep, the entire Good Deeds story is missing. So much for the complete carl barks library. fucking disney had to stick their noses in
>>150069546You know with how many comics marvel puts out and how long they've been doing it, even in those days it must have been a herculean task to keep an eye out for plagiarism even of the accidental sort. I wonder if Harlan Kept that lifetime sub going.
>>150070284>When so many people buckle under or do it for publicity it really does devalue them all.If you watch that part: >>150068879He talks about it in that and how those people were pressured. He also has an anecdote where he says Jim Shooter called up Denny O'Neil who was at a hospital having a heart by-pass to finish a Daredevil story. Denny asked Harlan to write it. Harlan wrote the story but then when it came to it, Harlan refused the "work for hire" bit (they used to put it on the back of checks). So they called Denny back up again to tell him they couldn't use the story. (I do think they may have used at least one of his stories for Daredevil at some point.)>>150070379>I wonder if Harlan Kept that lifetime sub going.As far as I am aware, he did.Bill Mantlo was a known swiper. He also swiped from Barry Windsor Smith. BWS Monster book published by Fantagraphics was based on Hulk ideas he had back then that Mantlo swiped.>it must have been a herculean task to keep an eye out for plagiarism even of the accidental sort.Any time there was a super rushed book it was because something dodgy had happened behind the scenes. So it did happen.
>>150070490>dodgy had happened behind the scenes. So it did happen.I'm sure there were obvious tells. reputation, turning it in too fast etc. But unless you knew what was being swiped exactly good luck proving it before it goes out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNwAgHgFrc
>>150056083I bet Bruce Timm saw this and it imprinted on him
>>150070490>MonsterDidn't mind this but it was heavily memed
>>150065446softcover price seems better
>>150071978Too much hype as some lost "masterpiece"
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>>150066193Yeah you can get it from Mike Baron's website but I can't buy it because they won't deliver to my country :(
We need to start necrobumping comic threads more. Too often I come back and find a thread I wanted to post in gone. Meanwhile, the same weekly dogshit coomer threads are up for sometimes over a week, kept alive by one jobless mongoloid.
>>150074525Post your books and we'll talk about them
Small but important haul! I now own all of Concrete (each volume found at cover price or less!) and Peter David's X-Factor
>>150069721If it's flawed as fuck that makes it easier to pass on it. We can hope they'll map it better in an epic collection or another omnibus.
>>150075412Crazy seeing Steel Ball Run get an official English release after all these years.Also, how is Concrete? Heard a lot of good things about it over the years but haven't set down and read it yet.
Is Astro city as good as people say?
>>150076703>Crazy seeing Steel Ball Run get an official English release after all these years.Yeah, it feels like only yesterday when the JoJo hardcovers started coming out.>Also, how is Concrete?It's good. Paul Chadwick is a cut above most of his contemporaries as a writer, and the stories have a maturity to them that doesn't just stem from the juvenile ideas of "let's put rape and gore in it, that's grown-up right?", instead choosing to interrogate the human condition (by putting a human brain in a rock monster's body)It took me years to find each volume at a decent price but every time I picked one up I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. The protagonists are all very well-rounded characters, flaws and all, and sometimes you relate to them more than you'd like to admit and other times you're pulling your hair going NO YOU RETARD STOP, it's great.Would recommend.>>150076845It's pretty good. Busiek's love for superhero comics and his ability to weave the history of a fake superhero universe that feels like it has existed as long as the Marvel and DC ones is worth tipping the hat to.Your mileage may vary when it comes to how woke it is, though.
>>150053611>You know I don't get how people can leave there's in wrappingNTA, but as has been mentioned many times in these threads, I (and others) unwrap as we read through.>I don't want to open a book seven months later and find that it's missing pages.WTF anon. This has literally never happed to me, ever.
>>150068625Waids run is a lot like this too. But I really liked it. That along with Uncanny is what got me back in to comics based on recomendations by co. Now I'm buying 4 omnis a month... at least I quit all other formats.
>>150059970I dunno about "drastically", but there's things I started to collect and stopped because they turned to shit and I recently decided it was pointless to keep what I had of them.Got rid of what I had of DMZ and Saga.
>>150077192I never made it past issue 5 of Saga personally
>>150077213I stopped forever when the tranny cock was waved in the kid's face.
>>150059970I got a rid of a lot of blind buys I got because they were praised on /co/, mostly Marvel.
>>150076242>>150069721Spider-man really becomes as annoying as X-men after a point. Too many crossovers among the books and not sorted well at all.
>>150076845It's okay.
>>150077129This reminds me of that thread that said The Authority was woke because of Midnighter and Apollo
>>150076845I like it a lot
How relevant is this? Found it in an old folder.
>>150079473The only thing that's essential is the shit you fucking want. Don't buy crap to just fit in
>>150079473It leans way to heavily into cape shit.
>>150077129>"let's put rape and gore in it, that's grown-up right?"His contemporaries did not do this. That happened after.
>>150079363I'm just saying that a lot of the kind of people who frequent 4chan won't like the openly progressive politics of the book
>>150079619Because we're all kind of autistic I think most things get a free pass if they're made before 2009
>>150079473I like Itos art a lot and I actually do like all his non endings but you ever wonder if he'd be so popular if he wasn't one of the first released over here Maybe Uzumaki did just sell gangbusters
>>150077129>instead choosing to interrogate the human condition (by putting a human brain in a rock monster's body)This reminds me of the conversation earlier that started around here >>150068695 because saying it like that just does make it sound like The Thing from F4
>>150079971Concrete is basically The Thing in a world where nothing else about the Marvel universe exists, it's just our worldAnd also Ron is a very, very different person than Blue-eyed Benji
Sandman Mystery Theater Volume 2. That is all
>>150080132I've ordered it but won't belive in it until I hold it in my hands
>>150080156Same. It’s the end of an era. DC finally got their shit together. Now they need to focus on their modern output….
>>150080244>Now they need to focus on their modern output….At the very least they're a huge step up from marvel. With a handful of exceptions they're basically at inoffensively bland.
>>150059970I've been thinking about selling stuff off and collecting some floppies instead to save space, keeping most of my indie stuff. Am I an idiot? I like reading stuff so I generally prefer collected editions but like I know I wont read all my epics over and over again a run to get like a cool issue or two of of that character or from that artist/ writer I like instead. Any advice anons?
hot & fresh off the press
>>150080267I guess it’s arguably the best it’s been since the New 52, but I’d almost prefer the highs that shitshow brought to reading practically nothing. They need to turn over rocks and discover actual talent in their editorial and writing
>>150080244>>150080267Zoomers seem to be pretty interested in the Absolute universe and they love Dan Mora art and those compact comics lower the barrier for them to buy physical books. I don't think this is translating much into real sales and this tiny bump will be short lived but there is always hope that some publisher could just magically pull their shit together and capture a new audience somewhere and start pumping out books that might eventually lead to some good books for me to read.I genuinely believe there is an army of nerds begging to get into comics and the big two have no interest is bringing them in
>>150079523It feels like its mostly "here's famous people American comics fans might know so get some of their stuff".
>>150080415I'd argue a lot of the rebirth stuff was still better. Superman and Sons especially but it's an uptake.
>>150081160Hell nah, what a terrible era.
>>150081139It's kind of a good list of things you used to see spread across multiple posts on /shelf/ and as you say it's a nice list of things that are worth looking into if you are into comics. A good chunk of this list will always be in print at one time too so it shouldn't cause fomo for new readers/ collectors
>>150015475Bundles are probably good if you can do it as you will be able to move some stuff that might not sell individually. Peacemeal for the more expensive stuff you actually want to get a decent price on and you know people buy. If wherever you are selling lets people make their own bundles it's good as it saves them shipping and they will buy more if you give a discount for x numbers of books.I have found selling comics to be a fucking hassle. I put some books up for bottom of the barrel prices and people will still spend their time trying to haggle the price down, I agree to knock some money off and they suddenly want more off. If the book they got for a bargain has a slightly bent corner on the cover they were warned about suddenly they want 50% discount. I swear if I put up a comic book for free I would have motherfuckers asking me to pay shipping or some shit. The reason I still have books collecting dust is because the only other option would be to bin them as selling is just a pain in my ass there aren't enough buyers close to me that don't have to pay shipping. If I sold a novel I could just toss it in an envelope with no packaging and it would be bought instantly with no complaints because those people actually read their books and aren't collectors
This is a dumb question but is there any where I can learn the history of Graphic novels?Like when they started to package issues into a book?
>>150081991>This is a dumb question but is there any where I can learn the history of Graphic novels?I immediately thought of this book (and remembered seeing it at Half Price Books for a long time) but I had to do some digging for the actual title and author.
>>150081991I'm not familiar with any. the oldest I know is from the 80s. I imagine the answer is likely mundane
>>150081991Graphic novel doesn't have a set definition so it's complicated. Some say it's a comic book with a spine yet some would consider it one continuous story like an actual novel. So it's going to be hard to track down where this started but a Graphic Novel is what Eisner wanted to do with A Contract With God so could be a good place to start (even though you can debate if it is a novel since it's a short story collection)Single issues collected into a book might be called more like a "Collected Edition" which sounds like what you are asking. Look here>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_paperback_(comics)#:~:text=In%20the%201990s%2C%20%22trade%20paperbacks,entire%20series'%20stories%20to%20date.Marvel's Masterworks and DC's arhive editions start in the 80s but they were collecting books together before this, foreign countries used to get issues packaged together into one book as well so it's complicated. It's going to be confusing to pin down what you want to mean by "graphic novel" and pin down exactly what you mean by "started" I guess
Just saw this was announced. Fucking YES man. Action rules.
>>150080390Woah, nice tiddies, but how's the comic?
>>150083482It's really cool, like a brief silent horror flick involving nightmares triggered by finding old porn in the woods
>>150083266QRD? I assume this is some UK or Australian thing based on the "Before The Ban" subtitle
>>150076845I've read about 5 volumes, and I probably like about half of it in scattered issues. I really wish the art was better.
>>150083551That sounds pretty cool in a grindhouse way and I've never read any Burns before, so I might as well lo->SOLD OUT>"Please note stock is very limited.">and only printed in the US anyway so shipping would probably be twice the price of the damn leafletAh well
>>150083581It's the series Pat Mills created before 2000AD. It being briefly banned (and brought back completely neutered) is what ultimately led to him creating 2000AD.
Got the first DC Finest for Superman from the 30s, shockingly readable. Well shocking for me because I never read it before.A little surprised he really does just harass rich people for the whole thing
>>150084067Golden age supes is nutty
>>150081991>This is a dumb question but is there any where I can learn the history of Graphic novels?Wiki gives a good enough summary:>Fan historian Richard Kyle coined the term graphic novel in an essay in the November 1964 issue of the comics fanzine Capa-Alpha.[6][7] The term gained popularity in the comics community after the publication of Will Eisner's A Contract with God (1978) and the start of the Marvel Graphic Novel line (1982) and became familiar to the public in the late 1980s after the commercial successes of the first volume of Art Spiegelman's Maus in 1986, the collected editions of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns in 1986 and Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' Watchmen in 1987. The Book Industry Study Group began using graphic novel as a category in book stores in 2001.[8]The term graphic novel means a variety of things. In the modern sense many feel like it is just a marketing term for collected comics, sometimes for more mature comics, to seperate them from the term comics. Alan Moore once said this:>It's a marketing term... that I never had any sympathy with. The term 'comic' does just as well for me ... The problem is that 'graphic novel' just came to mean 'expensive comic book' and so what you'd get is people like DC Comics or Marvel Comics—because 'graphic novels' were getting some attention, they'd stick six issues of whatever worthless piece of crap they happened to be publishing lately under a glossy cover and call it The She-Hulk Graphic Novel ..."So graphic novel is a term with a bunch of meanings. There are books on history of comics which might be better overall.
>>150082643>>150082946>>150082649>>150084263Thank you all of these answers were really helpful.
>>150084133>>150084067Reading these comics makes me wish we all still wore suits outside
>>150084067I finished the Plastic Man Finest just yesterday and I really want to dig into the Golden Age now, or at least try find the cream of the crop.Seriously considering getting the JSA DC Finests and maybe even the first Golden Age Batman omnibus.
>>150084803Plastic Man DC Finest is great. And somehow educational, like finding out Pinball machines used to be illegal
>>150084803Really looking forward to the Wonder Woman DC Finest from the Golden Age, Wizard magazine always spoke about it like it was some sex spanking fetish work for children so I'm expecting it to be incredibly tame.
I didn't know there was going to be two fucking Doctor Doom Epics I'm only missing two FF Epics come on man...
>>150084803I've got all the old DC Archive Plastic-Man books so I hope the Finest releases collect some of the issues that weren't in those.
>>150085339That Plas Finest collects Police Comics #1-36 and Plastic Man #1-2. No word on whether a second vol is coming yet.
>>150085498The backs imply a grand universe where everything you'd want gets released but yeah.It not being censored at all gives me hope
>>150085234There are Doctor Doom omnis too. Marvel has always done movie or show synergy because names. It'll never be as bad as Agents of Shield cover for the Steranko Shield omni or the Iron Man movie cover for the first Iron Man omni.
>>150085671Quintessentially repeated /shelfcore/ complaint post..
>>150085671Oh I'm just autistic about it because it would have been a perfect excuse to reprint this
>>150085733>it would have been a perfect excuse to reprint thisIt would have been. Easier for them to just slap DOOM on the front in bigger letters.
>>150085697Better start complaining about spines, recolours and other stuff.
>>150087149Next thread
>>150087958>Next threadNo! I want to complain about spines right now...
>>150077223Why would you blind buy
>>150088305Well go ahead!
>>150088305Can we moan about logos too? Since vertigo is coming back what will books with black label do? Will they change book logos?
>>150088348I've purchased quite a few things I haven't read. Though I don't know I'd call them blind. I usually have a sense if I like the author and artist at minimum.
>>150089376I should clarify, it was more: why would you blind buy something just because you saw some praise on /co/. I know hype is often inflated, always best to check first.
>>150081991Packaging comics into books started in the early 20th century with collections of stuff like Little Nemo. Graphic novel =/= collection of materia. The word has gone through an inflation where it has lost all information content and people just use it interchangeably with any number of meanings to the point I refuse to use it at all as a descriptor
>>150089912https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WDJRq50VZg
>>150007441about to start the Morbius omnibus (i read the 90s run a few years ago), then i'll read an english translation of Sha. waiting for the Vampire Chevalier thing to come out in october. i'm waaaaay behind in the monthlies i was keeping up with exactly a year ago.
>>150075412Excellent, /shelf/ lived long enough for my second, bigger haul to arrive! Finally starting to collect Usagi Yojimbo, only read random bits of it in the library before (Senso was the first one I ever picked up and I confess to some confusion when the aliens showed up)
>>150091313>Avengers by ByrneI didn't even know this was still available.
>>150091912Found it on Abebooks, it was still in plastic and everything.
>>150088348I got overzealous years back. People seems to still do it these days though.
>>150088356>Thor hitting him with a hammer>Hulk punching him>Reed ready with a flamethrower>Felicia about to grab his assSeems about right
>>150091932well goddamn. I guess sometimes you do get lucky
I need to rearrange my shelf, get rid of some stuff, and then take a new pic. But in the mean time, here's my shelf. Not shown are the two Fourth World Absolutes, ASM Omnibus Volume 6, more FotNS volumes, and I started picking up Ashita no Joe. Also, I need to start getting the JoJo volumes again.
>>150094128Almost forgot to post the top right shelf
>>150091313>EchoNICE, is that book from late 2000s and early 2000s, I really liked.
>>150094128I'd say buy some bookends so you don't damage your stuff but I quite like the chaotic aesthetic of it actually. Looks cool.
>>150094412I definitely need bookends for sure. Do you have any recommendations? Also, what do you like about the chaotic aesthetic of it? Lol, it's the first I've ever heard that, so I'm curious.
>>150094496Just get a pack of plastic ones off amazon, they're just to keep the books straight, you don't need anything fancy. Also it just looks like a book shelf that is actually being read. Too many things you see posted online are all perfectly aligned pristine shelves that look like something made to be displayed.
>>150094640I'd just need two, right? One for the shelf that JoJo is on, and the other for the top right shelf?
>>150094412>>150094991Just buy more books
>>150094991They come in packs 8 for like $15, I'd just get something like that in case you need them in future.
This feels kinda extreme gore for a kids book, I guess it's vague enough to sneak by
Just got it, /co/'s favorite comic
All these new books are cheaply made, poorly bound, covered in garish graphics, ugly gradients and digital text, wasteful bookends. I don't see the appeal/addiction. Picrel is mental illness.
>>150095415Original of facsimile?
They have to stop releasing nice versions of Slaine. I already own these stories but simply cannot help myself.
>>150095549wut
>>150089458If you read your stuff blind buying some books here and there isn't that weird. Even if you look into something before hand you might not like it as much as you thought you would and once it's not obscure it's pretty easy to sell off at a small loss
>>150095683They reprinted it as a facsimile edition. So did you get an original copy or did you get a reprint.
I'll repost mine since I finally got off my arse to take pictures last /shelf/
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>>150095790Algernon Blackwood gets two volumes?
>>150095842The red book on the bottom is Slaine: The Horned God.
>>150095749Yeah panini reprinted this imc, idk how to even spot an original im not into that stuff
>>150095843Aye, and I'm still raging they published a new edition of the first one as "volume 1" with a single extra story in it compared to the one I have there.
>>150095858Books still wrapped in plastic and oversized novelties; these are sights most pleasing to my eyest. Horned God
>>150095882One day I'll stop being lazy and do close up photos of the manga too.
>>150095896Today could be that day
>>150095872Just looking it up now it seems the reprints don't have the barcode on the bottom left.
>>150095896I like this
>>150091313I hope they do a JLI Book 3.
>>150096122From your moth to god's ears. I like the series but I really do not want to buy the omnibus versions.
>>150096047You mean this? Its in the back cover
>>150095918Okay, fine. The downside of The Aisle is every shot is an extreme closeup because I can't physically stand any further away so here's them all mashed together because I don't want to dump 14 images.
Know oh shelf, between the time when the intern drank my wallet and before the rise of my next pay check there was an age all too known, when extreme financial irresponsibility and poor impulse control reigned supreme. Hither came anon. Slightly balding, poor sighted. A spender, reader, fanboy, without gigantic self esteem and gigantic nerdism, to tread the digital storefronts of the earth under his sneakered feet.
>>150097177You know what's a huge missed opportunity? That we never had a Conan vs Predator that was basically just the first Predator movie but set in the Hyborean ageIt could've been done under Dark Horse or under Marvel but nobody thought to do it
>>150097231Crom's beard! you are an ugly son of a whore
>>150095882i gotta find a way to get that 2000ad stuff.
>>150092869I started really collecting in 2019. I acquired some terrible habits through COVID, when stock wasn’t guaranteed and it felt lucky to see a book get printed at all. The Conan Times were fucking nuts, trying to snag all those.
>>150092869>>150098289I had a job that paid really well a while ago and I just went nuts on shit too. I ended up quitting because it was absolutely MISERABLE but for a while I could afford to just go completely batshit.
>>150098394My comic budget was $200/month for a couple of years. I often went above that.The result is that I obviously have way more shit than I’ve actually read. Last I ran the numbers, I had read just about half of what I have. The good news is most of it has retained its value (a good chunk would have appreciated if reprints hadn’t become more common, but that’s not something I’ll complain about), and there are worse things than having books on hand to read.
>>150097672People sell complete partworks for way less than they originally cost to buy on ebay all the time, just have to keep an eye out I suppose. Alternatively pretty much everything in there is getting standard releases anyway, and I'm pretty sure Rebellion ships internationally whereas Hachette doesn't.
>>150098289Im glad Titan is putting out the omnibus versions, I managed to snag every thing I was missing from the marvel run. I don't know how far I'll follow Savage Sword though. I like it but I think they said somewhere that altogether it would be like 18 volumes. I'd need to get an entire new shelf.
>>150099060if i was employed and could stay employed id have no problem. the one shining spot of my life is i live better on 15 dollars an hour than most do at twice that. and i want them because of the designs and the exclusivity. i collect for the coolness factor as well as reading.
>>150099563>and could stay employed id have no problem.I think you have a bigger problem
>>150098979I also did 200$ for a couple of years. I've managed to read most everything- except I'm still catching up on Conan.
>>150101341There is a lot of Conan.
>>150097177Have Titan announced anything for this material? I know one got solicited by Marvel but wasn’t printed. I think it was the last of the run, too.
When is DC Finest Fourth World gonna go up? I'm gonna actually preorder that instead of waiting for it to become $21.
>>150096579Nice
>>150101856You mean Marvel reprints? They've been doing that for years.
>>150102784I meant the Dark Horse stuff, specifically.
>>150100399actually its not my fault. i was injured/screwed over as a kid by my con-artist mother and until two years ago i was fine. i'm trying to determine the extant of the issue but doctors arent making it easy and despite going to college and getting a degree i cant fucking leave factory work which i am no longer physically able to do into something i can do. i've tried sales until i finish getting my cpa exam but i keep getting fucking cut because of the doctors appointments.
>>150101856Not as of this moment. Near as I know though they have the complete Conan rights so I imagine they'll get to them sooner or later. They're gonna run out of marvel stuff eventually. I do hope it's in a similar format to the epics. I'd like to keep my line straight and some of the current epics go for crazy high.
>>150102177>When is DC Finest Fourth World gonna go up?I'm really enjoying the DC Finest collections so far and it helps that they are a rare attempt by DC to make nice matching spines (see, I told you I wanted to complain about that.) I just wish they had a bit more logic to the release order. The Batman wiplash going from the 86-87 volume to the 87-88 volume, then to the 85-86 volume left me scratching my head. Also, doing Zero Hour before Crisis in the Events collections. It would be nice if we understood their plan better.
>>150103300I have the boxed set of the fourth world stuff but I missed out on The Demon which I'm looking forward to picking up as a finest
The contents of the DC Finest Metamorpho made me realize this line is if Archives and Showcase Presents made baby.
>>150103842They're basically just the DC version of Marvel's epics. I like them a lot but goddamn do I wish they started these sooner. I have no idea why DC was so bad at collected editions for so long. You'd think they'd at least see what marvel's been doing since 2013 and try to get in on that at some point in the past decade or so.
>>150104714I started collecting last year so clearly this is my fault, sorry
>>150104784Wasn't making any accusations so there's nothing to apologize for but if you've just started you may want to check out the marvel side. Though getting full runs might be a bit harder now without selling an organ or two.
>>150094128>I started picking up Ashita no JoeI'm interested in knowing about the build quality of that release. The price is higher than the Berserk hardcovers from Dark Horse.
>>150105577NTA, the volumes have a smaller trim size than the Berserk volumes but there's no complaint that I could make of their quality other than there being no chapter titles to separate the story. That kind of encourages you to read the whole book in one go, and it flows so naturally it almost feels like this was how it was always intended to be read.The higher price is just greed from the company obviously.
>>150105599>no chapter titles to separate the story.I hate it when publishers do this.
>>150105599>>150105701The fan translations don't have chapter breaks. So it's not like they were removed for the English release. It's possible no collected edition has them.
>>150106154I wonder what they looked like in the original magazine releases then. At any rate the reading experience is smooth, perfect for binge-reading
All this talk about DC Finest what are the best books I should be looking into? Right now I just want/own>Plastic Man>OG Superman>The Demon >The Flash and Green Lantern (That's just because I like these two they aren't for everybody)I have my eyes on some other books like the war, horror and westerns but I would need to read some of the material beforehand. What are things the others like Deadman, The Spectre, Doom Patrol, Peacemaker, Suicide Squad etc like? Also the other Golden Age Superman stuff like Supergirl and Superman Family
Probably old news for people who religiously check solicitation lists, but Dark Horse's next big hardcover manga release is Oldboy in two volumes.
>>150104714Everything feels so much more optimistic for DC. People are actually talking about their modern comics with the Absolute Universe, they started their own epic collections, they have 1 movie that isn't complete dogshit and they are also nailing it with these compact comics lowering the barrier for entry substantially for normies.I'm not sure any of the hype will last unless their modern output improves but once the DC finest books keep collecting old stuff I want I will be a happy
>>150106363Compacts are ostensibly great and should be perfect for kids and casuals, but I've only ever seen them in comic shops. These should be everywhere.
>>150106259Binging is for retards.
>>150106522So if you've got a book like Ashita no Joe, how do you read it? 24 pages a week for that authentic magazine release schedule?
>>15010653324 pages a day.
>>150106465The big 2 should both have comics like this everywhere. Some of their best stuff, one and dones and good entry points always in print for bookstores (and comic shops as people need something easy to pick up there too) and an easy collection of similar books to keep picking up even if you have to order online or go to a comic shop to get themI prefer bigger books personally but these are such an easy purchase for anybody to pick up without any thinking. Some books I don't care too much about I could see myself picking up on a whim for these prices if I seen them somewhere
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/comics/article/98448-corto-maltese-sets-sail-at-fantagraphics.htmlFantagraphics is gonna try print the entirety of Corto Maltese, in English, in colour.
>>150106259You can find some magazine images herehttps://soulofjoe.jp/story/story-1968.html
>>150103001Nta, but having an asshole for a mother really fucks you up. I hope you get through it all okay.
>>150104714Dido was against collected stuff because he thought people should read current comics. It fucked shit up.
>>150106363>Already changed the spine logo
>>150106608Rasputinbros, our time is here!
>>150106313I liked Green Arrow, but I like those 80s street level books that people seem to be 50/50 on, like Question. Philosophy and themes aside, at the end of the day I can at least enjoy a guy punching mooks in a warehouse.I kind of liked Batgirl. The art is sometimes almost great, and at other times confusing. Between that and not having context for some stuff in the books at the time, I actually looked up a few issue synopses because I didn’t understand what had happened. It made me want to read that era of Batman. I’m just a few issues into Metamorpho, but I really like it. It reminds me a lot of Plastic Man in tone and antics, which makes me realize how modern Plastic Man feels since this is like 20 years later. The cartooning is interesting, too. There’s something almost Eastern about it; Simon Stagg looks like a 60s manga character, and I love how he draws Metamorpho’s eyes.I’m just really enjoying having a format readily available at the library to try something I haven’t read, or even buy blind at about $20 in the usual places. It makes me wish I was plugged into libraries and comics when Showcase Presents were coming out.
>>150107333Mismatched spines in the middle of a run of books is annoying, but you have unadulterated autism if you can’t handle sequential changes down the line.
>>150107519Publishers should simply assume their audience is extremely autistic and design their products accordingly. Like the Doctor Who DVDs that came with reversible sleeves for like a decade after the BBC changed their logo so that people could keep all their spines matching.
>>150106313Except for Teen Titans they often drop to less than $25 so you can do blind picks up for little risk if something looks interesting
>>150107912It's a lot easier to take chances on this kind of format than rushing into a giant ass omnibus.
Farewell for now, /shelf/. I'll have more books sometime next month...
Guys, please bump any half decent threads you see falling off the board. I had to helplessly watch as some of my threads archived.
>>150108273The effortposters will scream for me to save them and I'll whisper>No
>>150108370Don't you like comics?
>>150108518They're like oxygen, you need it to live but do you really like it?
>>150108602I do.
>>150108273What thread about comics should I make that any of you would post in?
>>150108678Why are you so needy?
>not a single anon bought the Spectacular Spider-Man by DeMatteis & Buscema OmnibusCowards.
>>150108800Where's your copy, anon?
>>150108800Im a fan of Dematteis and Buscema but I can't get any more Spider-man omnis. I already have too many. And I'm just not really hyped about these things are mapped.
>>150108819I, too, am a coward.
>>150108976Well I already bought two omnis this month and no one can tell me I didn't do my part
>>150107683You wouldn't even need to be autistic, normies would unironically buy books for the aesthetic. Changing the logo is just insanity, there is no sane reason for them to make this change for a series of books. Especially when the plain one looks objectively better
>>150108678Just make threads about things you're interested in discussing. If you get no response, try again later.>>150108707Why do you hate comics?
