>gwen's terrible mini-series is almost over>but then she will go back to being completely forgottenWhy is being a Gwenpool fan pure suffering? We either get nothing or garbage. The more time passes the more I think Unbelievable should have ended with her being sent back to her own world.
>>150174829She had a decent first run but now she's just a vehicle for memes and progressive bait. She's not really a character anymore. It's telling that the most attention she's gotten in a while is her comic literally getting highjacked by someone more important. And dead. Just look forward to her Marvel Rivals debut.
>>150174829get back in the box slut. don't make me poast gwenabuse
>>150175221I don't read DC, but isn't Superboy Prime a trollish, villain-type character?
She's cute and sexy enough to always be remembered
>>150175406He's gotten a redemption arc and was portrayed as someone who doesn't take things too seriously
>>150174829>Why is being a Gwenpool fan pure suffering?The future refused to change.
>>150175762>>150175221>A mobile game made a Gwenpool that HyperionsShe still has the potential to become the big boss type for an event. Just needs to become horribly disillusioned after spending a decade or so in comic book limbo.
>>150174829This character was horrid
I've read the last issue of the mini, trust me when I say you want it to be completely forgotten.It gets meta, the writer outright says he doesn't like her and shits on her for things that only applied to the way he wrote her.
>>150174829You honestly deserve worse
>>150175954Does she try defending herself, or is it about how she lacks agency?
>>150175976It's about how she "doesn't take anything seriously" and treats her like she still doesn't see anyone else as real. He uses her kicking Fin Fang Foom as an example of why she can't be in a story that's ever serious. She not only doesn't defend herself, she acts like it's a deep flaw she has and resolves to be less of a joke character.
>>150174829>Why is being a Gwenpool fan pure suffering?Because you choose to read anything other than the Hastings run.I don't and I still enjoy her a lot.You should be able to spot the red flags of a shit story from a mile away, anon.
>>150176099>He uses her kicking Fin Fang Foom as an example of why she can't be in a story that's ever serious.Sounds like the limits of his talent.ONE can write with OP characters just fine.
My condolences to you all.
>>150176099It must really burn Marvel Editorial's ass that Jeff The Landshark is such a certified cash cow right now thanks to Rivals and is intrinsically linked to her, huh?
>>150176812They tried to ignore Gwen's connection to Jeff by making her Kate Bishop's pet in the It's Jeff webtoon. The only reason Gwen even started appearing in It's Jeff is because Gurihiru pushed for her inclusion.
>>150176099>>150175954Assuming you're telling the truth, that's extremely disappointing but it's still better than what I feared. I was starting to legitimately fear the leaks that Gwen Poole was going to possess Gwen Stacypool and gain mutant regen in an attempt to make her even closer to Deadpool, which would have been disastrous for her character.This ending is just extremely hacky by comparison. It's yet another writer who doesn't get Gwen thinking he's Grant Morrison and writing himself into the story to correct Gwen on problems she already got over in Unbelievable (these issues brought up aren't inaccurate to Gwen but he's just copying Chris Hasting's homework here, she already went through this arc in her first comic) and pretending like problems he himself introduced to her story are intrinsic problems to her because no writer can bother to read her origin story. It's shit but it's the kind of shit you can just forget and move on from, way easier to ignore than the mutant retcon (which everyone ignores) and the asexual shit (which everyone wants to ignore but Marvel mandates make it really difficult)
>>150176838based Gurihiru as usual
>>150177427>You all keep telling me to take my meds, eh?>Well lets see how YOU like my meds!
>>150177261Gwen's body is turned into a Frankenstein's monster-esque Deathlok, somehow getting like a foot taller and very muscular, and she possesses it. She makes a comment about how she'll probably find a way to fix it by her next appearance, with a mention of going to Mega Tony. Stacypool is still around at the end and the two are set up as a potential team.The entire thing is stupid and I hope it's never acknowledged again.
>>150176812No? They just write Gwenpool out of that shit whenever Jeff’s around, I don’t think it makes them mad they get to ignore a character they dislike
>>150177691>She makes a comment about how she'll probably find a way to fix it by her next appearance, with a mention of going to Mega TonyNice to have Mega Tony mentioned but yeah I doubt anything like what you're describing would stick with the character, that Deathlok sounds okay for a short possession but absolutely zero lasting appeal>Stacypool sticks aroundLegitimately surprising, not entirely unwelcome. She was a huge nothingburger but if Ben can stick around I guess there's no reason one Gwen clone can't, though I hope they don't insist she's gonna be 'Gwenpool 2' or something
>>150177718i need someone to draw gwen on gwen action
>>150176665Thanks Peeg
>>150175221Sad but true. I was surprised by how enjoyable he is now.
>>150174987>She had a decent first run but now she's just a vehicle for memes and progressive baitsad that this is basically what happened to Kamala too. at least Iman Vellani understands the character better than every writer since her creator's run ended
Gwenpool's another victim of Marvel's endless fellation of the status quo. Gwen's thing is that she's a Z-lister who wants to be an A-lister, that's her equivalent of Bruce Banner wanting to cure himself of the Hulk, or Ben Grimm wanting to cure himself of the Thing, or Peter Parker wanting to cure himself of being a single loser. If Gwen actually accomplishes her goal, there's nothing left for her to strive for, or at least Marvel stubbornly believes that. So she's doomed to never be a major player, precisely because wanting to be that and never getting it is what defines her character.
>>150174829What mini series?
At least there's always Unbelievable Gwenpool. I've basically just ignored everything else she's been in
>>150174829"Terrible" is a bit much, wouldn't you say?
>>150174829Gwen was never good
I have clone/multiversal gwen fatigue.
Storytime of pain soon?
>>150179131I am perfectly content for Gwen to be a Z-lister forever, that's her lane and she's most comfortable in it despite her grievances. But even Z-listers should be able to at least get a couple decent stories now and then...
It was storytimed here >>150181202 and it is just as terrible as you'd expect.
>>150183620This. Gwen being an underdog is fine, especially given her commitment at the end of the Hastings run which is her sacrificing her future popularity to be a better person. Being stuck as a z-lister is the choice she made, and it was the right one. The problem is that, like all capeshit, Gwen's writers post-Hastings not only didn't read his run, they actively resent the idea that they are not being given a clean slate character to mold as they will. They don't want to write the Gwenpoole character as was already established, they want to have first crack at her despite being 10th in line. So she can't keep a consistent tone or personality to save her life, and just ends up a meandering mess of nothing.
because Gwenpool is a shit character and you all deserve this for allowing that floating shitstain of a shark to get popular
>>150183693>didn't include the name of the storytimethat's why it was hard to find but thanks
>>150180670No, that shit is ass.
>>150180670After reading the final issue I think "terrible" is putting it lightly.
>>150183738>Being stuck as a z-lister is the choice she made, and it was the right one.Very good way of putting it, Gwen is forever a Z-lister because she chose that path over her evil, more successful future.Every year feels like the climax of Unbelievable ages better and better knowing Gwen really does sacrifice any sort of success in the future and her friends all disappeared into the editorial ether just like she feared
>>150175762>The position of the sword handleCoincidence??
>>150174987>Just look forward to her Marvel Rivals debut.I've been looking forward to it for almost two years now, I need hopium at this point (or settle for her appearing in that new animu Marvel fighter game which would also be nice)
>>150174829Nobody reads comics anymore. She needs a new role. Maybe you could do something with her being meta. Don't have comic books but show up in messageboards, tiktoks and reels and what not.
Well, see you in 5 years when Gwen gets another mini-series.
She really is a one-author character, isn't she? Only Hastings knew how to write her.
This dude has been seething in Gwenpool threads for a decade now lmao.
Damn, he is actually having a meltdown.
Now he is samefagging pretending everyone can't see all his posts are formatted the same way. Every day I'm glad I wasn't born in a third world shithole like him.
Gwenpool is a joke that has gone on for way too long past the punchline.
>>150188312Look at the gwenpool fag samefagging pretending everyone can't see all his posts are formatted the same way
daily reminder that the original Gwenpool run most of the time has artwork that looks this fucking bad! Also, did they forget to add jokes and funny scenes?
>>150174829Gwenpool fans managed to ride of Spiderman and Deadpools name recongition to get more merch then characters wich existed since the 70s and still complain. The current drought of good comics is terrible but its preferable over getting nothing for decades only to have the comic still be bad.
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>>150188161>Gwenpool debuted 10 years agoI’m getting too old for this shit
>>150187972Probably closer to 2-3 years>GSB: 2020>LU: 2023>This: 2025
I've been saying this for years but the only way a character like Gwen works is to make her an unhinged satirical villain like Superboy Prime. They went out of their way to keep her good, and unfortunately there's not very much you can do with that.
>>150189137I feel like that was almost the point of her defeating her evil future self: that the concept works best as an unhinged villain type but Gwen, in-character, would rather be irrelevant than hurting her beloved capes
>>150189137I think Gwen works perfectly fine as a heroine if you use her right. EitherA) Keep the stakes small and personal, related to her friends/family and highlight Gwen as the underdog in most scenariosB) Hone in on meta-commentary, Gwen criticizing/dealing with things that plague comics like the unshakeable status quo or editorial interference
I wouldn't want Gwen to go down the evil route like Prime, thats what makes them fun to contrast. Prime got blackpilled on comics, Gwen is naively, ditzfully hope-pilled on comics
>>150189868Other than her not reading Deadpool (presumably from hearing about Waypool), was the particulars of her getting into comics officially stated?
>>150190228She's an autistic neet whose nerd friends started hooking up with each other leaving her alone to wallow in uninhibited escapism. This is per the gay ass infinity comic where she gets groomed and molested by Julie Power. I don't remember if the exact origin of her comic interest is revealed there, but I will never go back and reread that shit to refresh my memory.
>>150190228It's not confirmed exactly what got her into comics or how early she started reading, my guess would be fairly early though - she uses comics for escapism but I imagine a hobby like that forms in one's youth. Probably got comics from a relative at one point as a child and became hooked is how I'd guess it
it's sad the only source of decent gwen content is the textless it's jeff webcomic
>>150179013was just about to say this. Marvel saw they had something people gave a shit about, didn't understand why anyone gave a shit, and flung everything at the wall to keep them giving a shit- ruining the entire initial appeal entirely
>>150192103>reading spider-man and venom double troubleYou think Gwen likes Gurihiru because they drew her or was she a fan before?
>>150191651It's a consistent source of Gurihiru Gwens, I'll gladly take it
>>150177427>>150176838I remember making the joke a few gwen threads ago, gwen is the first character to become her pet's sidekick
>>150192132I think probably both, they really like drawing Gwen even after Unbelievable finished
I liked the dynamic proposed by America Anon back in the day. Where America has next to zero knowledge of pop culture and will believe almost anything Gwen tells her
>>150193295I was excited when I saw this pic assuming they'd come backBut yeah, they kind of made the concept of giving lesbians depth and writing interesting concepts. They were part of some of the best dyke lore on /co/. Seems like they loved doing character studies and making fun headcanons. Didn't they also make america a bit of a social autist overall
>>150192378I'm glad that they love her so much. If only a good writer loved her too.
>>150193437Yes, indeed I did. Though not without reason. The way I see it America Chavez is more akin to a feral child rather than the example you gave. In my interpretation America’s social development was stunted due to her removal from her home dimension at the age of 8. Because of the danger posed by the worlds she encountered afterwards, she effectively grew up on survival skills with all social behaviors being secondary. Interestingly this actually means that her social skills are very lopsided in favor of keeping herself alive. She’s very good at determining if people want to harm her, capture her, or convincing them to trade/make an alliance for the sake of a common goal. But she’s significantly worse at navigating more low stakes day to day social interactions necessary for life in the modern age
>>150176665Need PG and Gwen having a drink together over their lot in life
>>150193897Yeah, think I remember this and honestly fun way to go about her though the movies kind of steal this idea a bit honestly younger america who is starved for parental figure or some form of comfort is way more interesting than comic americaGiving her a father figure is even funnier as how does a girl that doesn't know what a father is deal with paternal acknowledgement and protection. Really though in the end of the day think she would def have terrible skills as most of her life was either in a utopia or dimension stuff
>>150194268Yeah definitely. What makes current America interesting is that she does still want a parental figure but she’s clearly given up on having one. She’s been abandoned by most people she forms a bond with and sabotages whatever bonds are left. It’s fascinating that the two people she’s closest to are Kate and Loki. If I’m being honest I would actually really like to see an arc where Kate and America have a brief falling out causing her to lean into her friendship with Loki and start picking up his traits. A lady Loki America arc where she temporarily becomes a portal based trickster could be really cool
>>150194214Both got ruined by Leah Williams.
>>150176812>>150176838I mean, didn't the same shit happen with Devil Dinosaur? Just grab the Mascot and fucking bury the old partner?
>>150192103>Top leftI just want one last sincere interaction with Batroc and the gang, then please retire the character.
>>150188082It is worse than that; very few US writers know how to handle female characters, except by fridging them.
>>150194394Wait she's close to loki in the comics, and yeah her and kate always felt a bit forced anyway. Basically just the only two of the new girls that lasted and did decently sales and memorability wise and kate better than america who was mostly forgotten until the movie.Portal based trickster sounds interesting, though I see her going more rick from rick and morty. "Nothing matters, theirs always another dimension" etc, mind set basically that loki it's just a prank vibe. Or more leaning into hedonism and depressive self-destruction because she is with another person who can't be genuine or form relationships and be honest about them.
>>150195805Yeah she’d definitely be a lot closer to Rick than Loki. I only bring him up because I could see her going to him as her last true friend in 616. Truth be told an actual America and Loki arc would probably have her just apathetically going along with whatever he wants until she eventually self destructs. Bringing the topic back to Gwen I actually had a sudden idea that could be a very interesting storyline. Gwen was able to alter her own backstory to get into college, and evil Gwenpool wasn’t able to permanently kill anyone important. But what if there’s a grey area. What if Gwen realized she possessed the ability to retcon less defined or popular characters. And because the characters weren’t as popular, some changes stick
>>150194214Gwen's not old enough to drink but yeah that actually sounds like a nice scene
At this point if hastings didn't write it then it isn't real gwenpool
>>150196538I always thought she was about 18-20 before she got sucked into 616, and even with Marvel time she probably would have hit the drinking age by now
I think Gwen is cute.
>>150197846holy shit no wayme too
>>150196853Gwen trying to estimate how much time has passed for her sounds interesting.
Gwen in Rivals/Tokon when?
>>150199010Deadpool alternate color is based on her.
>>150199010Rivals feels less likely with each reveal, there's just too many characters they already want to include and while I originally thought Gwen had a solid 'in' with Jeff I'm starting to think he just takes any chance she has at a slot. MIGHT be a DLC host though to voice matches like GalactaTokon I actually have a lot of hope for - it seems to focus a bit more on teen heroes like Kamala and Robbie, and being Japan is already big fans of Gwen I feel like that increases her chances further
>>150196853Gwen confirms in Unbelievable and later GSB that she was 19 when she first got pulled into 616, but hasn't aged since because of the sliding timescale.I like to imagine that Gwen sort of knows she entered in 2015, and has only experienced a few months in real time, but gets bewildered when she looks at a calendar and sees it's 2025 and ten years have passed in the real world in the short time she's been actively aware of herself in Marvel.
Why doesn’t Gwenpool have an Onlyfans in the marvel universe?
>>150201022She doesn't want to be cancelled
>>150197846Only in the original run. They don't know how to handle her.
>>150174829Because no one writing for her actually understands what made her appealing. They see her for her powers more than they see her for her character even though her real powers didn't even develop until part way through the run.
>>150175221Superboy is how Gwenpool USED to be in Hastings run. Now she's just written by people who don't know shit about her beyond a wiki summery.
>>150196018Sorry didn't see this was sleep by then lol, also yeah definitely self destructive. Depends on which loki assume this is teen or fem teen loki??? if so then they might actually feel bad about well ruining america even more"Meta Wars" with gwenpool, just her basically killing off and stealing minor hero and villian lores til she ends up evil gwen or ruining the canon of the big series unintentionally. Also in all seriousness their'd have to be some form of negative/punishment because this would make gwen look unfathomably cruel stealing others lives is honestly more evil than killing them sometimes. If done right though could be the greatest gaslight in history like that whole "Kaazam" movie thing.
>>150202561>Now she's just written by people who don't know shit about her beyond a wiki summery.It's worse than that, if what Heather Antos wrote on the subreddit is to be believed:>The problem with Gwenpool post Hastings is editorial direction. I had to fight so hard for her. The Gwen you have seen since is the Gwen Marvel always wanted her to be :/
>>150203109Fuck. I usually give Hastings his due credit in establishing the Gwen we know and love but sometimes I forget she didn't have a bad editor keeping things in line back then either.
>>150203109Damn, also the heather antos thing reminds me of the meme of wigga gwen. Truly sucks marvel hates/wants her so bad to be lol random girl everyone hates
>>150203109I don't understand how editorial could fuck her up so badly. Like as much as editorial fucks up Spider-man, you can at least see some semblance of logic where its people who grew up with Spider-man a certain way and can't let that go, but Gwen doesn't even have years of baggage. If that quote is true, its just Editorial being completely out of touch with what she was.
>>150202588Agreed though personally I don’t think Gwen would go so far as to kill people in order to steal their lore. Rather I think she would try to increase her relevance by inserting herself into the backstories of various characters. It would be a slow buildup of her appearing in more and more flashbacks until eventually she accidentally tears a hole in time and space from retcon paradox accumulation
>>150203744>I don't understand how editorial could fuck her up so badlyOut of touch boomers are the lead editors of most Marvel lines.
>>150203744It does kinda feel like they're just throwing random shit at the wall, hoping to eventually stumble across something that'll summon an audience much bigger than the one they had for Unbelievable.
>>150204020>The Gwend!It's gwover...
Gurihiru is what really matters and was there ever more than 4 maybe 5 issues in a row of them doing the art?
>>1502052094 issues was usually the max in a row, then 2 by another artist before going back to GurihiruAt least as I recall
>>150201022If she wanted to make an OnlyFans she could have just stayed at home
>>150205209It went>#0-4 (Gurihiru)>#5-6 (Strychalski)>#7-10 (Gurihiru)>#11 (Charretier)>#12-13 (Gurihiru)>#14-15 (Haynes)>#16-20 (Gurihiru)>#21-23 (Strychalski)>#24-25 (Gurihiru)18/26 total
>>150199010>>150199819i could see her being DLC for Tokon, not so sure about base game though since i she has more of a cult following than a real big fanbase like the other guys
>>150203828I mean didn't think kill more thought she was stealing their lives which was either completely erasing them unintentionally or well ruining their lives. Because well let's say a character got into MIT their would still only be so many spots so she'd have to take their spot, it's like the fairly oddparents "Da rulez" can't take something if it belongs to someone etc.Yeah that'd also be alarming, since peter and mj are broken up. She tries to become gwen stacy since they keep confusing her as her anyway. She steals everything but gwen's death
>>150208115Could be an interesting direction to take it though once again I feel like it would start off small and grow larger over time with the biggest problems being accidental. The reason why I suggested this in the first place is because fundamentally Gwen is interesting because she’s a subversion of a common fanfiction trope. The isekai into her favorite comics gone wrong. So I can’t help but feel like some of Gwen’s other stories should try to play off of common fan work elements, though obviously done in more of a Gwenpool way
>>150174829>You now remember that time she groomed Julie and almost raped her when she had still the mind of a child and it got her series cancelled for almost 2 years.> And Julie still hook up with yet another dyke
>>150208517It's okay because Julie counter-raped her remember?
>>150194214>"Do your editors hate you too?">"It would explain a lot."Banged out this crappy little sketch. Currently trying to finish a proper version
>>150174829Gwenpool exists in the Hastings run and nowhere else. It is a self-contained story that requires no addition and adequately accounts for what has been created since, equating it to no more than fan-fiction.Accept anything that does her justice as a treat and ignore anything that fails. The subhuman degenerates at Marvel will never allow her strengths as a character to shine, so there's no point worrying about it.
>>150204020It takes two braincells to understand that Gwenpool has unexploited potential. Unfortunately for editorial, it actually takes at least three to understand when NOT to use her and probably more than four to use her correctly.
>>150174829Because she's a shit character that should have never existed, meta shit is never funny
>>150203744Putting marketing and what they perceived as broad appeal over sincerity.
>>150208517It's fine because Julie almost raped her when she got older
>>150208517>>150208852>>150210279Why are lesbians so mean to each other?
>>150210647>Why are women so mean to each otherBecuase no one hates women more than other women.
Missed a shot to quip a pop culture while also addressing the Gwen obsession by saying "Swimming Gwenpool" here.
>>150183693>>150203109what a shit show
>>150174829The Gwen variants all suck. The fake anime artstyle is also cringe.
>>150209860That's a really cute sketch anon, nice workPower Girl trying to cheer Gwen up after another rough run feels fitting
>>150177691>somehow getting like a foot taller and very muscularSounds hot, pics?
>>150209860we need this
>>150209860PG and GP genuinely feel like a solid crossover match for interactionsBoth have similar blonde bob-cuts and wear legless leotard costumesBoth come from different dimensions and are trying to fit into the mainline universeBoth have pretty much one run that everyone remembers them fondly for and the rest is a mixed bag
>>150210884>Gwenpool's original cover was Gwen in a POOL>Her pet is a sharkoooh that just clicked for me
