The Paul Tobin run continues with the relaunch.Bump if you are reading!
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>>150550440This series was kino, I remember, but it had a really ass warm up for like 30 issues before it started getting really good. Wasn't Peter in a love triangle with Emma Frost in this one?
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>>150550487Yeah. Marvel shitcanned it a bit after they killed Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man because Marvel Adventures was outselling USM with Miles by a country mile. It was a really rough period, in some ways I think rougher than even the current state of Spider-Man comics because Marvel just kept gutting and cannibalizing anything with Peter in it to shill Miles unsuccessfully, which just made people hate Miles more.
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>>150550487>>150550540marvel adventures got under editorial's skin because it, by the time it was reaching the point it got cancelled was basically what people had loved about USM x10, which when juxtiposed to the USM comic line at the time just made the things people didnt like about it seem all the more glaringimagine the older peak USM issues being released side by side on a store shelf with OMD and mogging it, that's basically what was going on. while i wish we'd had more, at the same time, i'm also sort of glad it only lasted 60 issues instead of getting appropriated and raped into oblivion like USM.
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>>150550635That’s the last page. Thanks for reading, guys. And bump the thread so others can see it.
>>150550639Link to issue:https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Marvel-Adventures-Spider-Man-2010/Issue-1
>>150550647thanks
>>150550662You’re welcome, friend
>>150550647As before the next issue will be uploaded the day after tomorrow
>>150550506>I never miss
>>150550532>The StrangerKnuckleduster!
>>150550616>>150550622*chef’s kiss*
>>150550629Always love how supportive Chat is of Peter
>>150550540>Marvel shitcanned it a bit after they killed Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man because Marvel Adventures was outselling USM with Miles by a country mile.Wait, is this actually true? They cancelled MASM because it was outselling USM? Cause if so, I am filled with nothing but spite now
>>150550532The janitor of the fist...>>150550540Gonna need some numbers to believe that but if true than that's so fucking horseshit.
>>150550540>>150551115No, it didn't happen. Marvel Adventures didn't outsell Miles-era USM because Marvel Adventures was doing like less than 10,000 during 2011/2012. I don't know where that guy got his info from.
>>150550629Chat mogging the shit out of other love interests like usual
>>150551444Trips of Truth claim another one
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>>150550622Gottem!Man, Spider-Man using an actually interesting strategy? Modern ASM could never
>>150550487It wasn’t necessarily a love triangle. Emma got infatuated with Peter but Peter and Chat always were in love with each other. You should read the 2005 run from issue 53 to completion to see it
>>150551444>>150551515Sales figures for either were not made publicly available, but MAS was received critically far better than USM, which would indicate it sold more. I also worked at a comic book store from 2011 to 2014 and we couldn't move Miles issues of USM, no one wanted them. You're the one pulling figures out your ass.
>>150551115>>150551420>>150551444nta but marvel never released actual sales data for either comic line, but you can infer how they were doing based on critical reception like the other guy saidi didnt work at a comic shop like he says he did but i am old enough to remember miles issues of ultimate spiderman sitting on the shelves of my local comic shop without getting touched while everything else spiderman, including old stock of marvels adventures was gone usually the same day it got put outand knowing how marvel's editorial is it wouldn't surprise me at all if that were the truth
>>150554798>>150555270You can actually go and look at Comichron's charts. Marvel Adventures during that time wasn't high while Miles only just debuted in 2011. There was no way Marvel Adventures was outselling Miles-era USM in that time. You don't need to be making shit up in order to praise Marvel Adventures over a decline-era Bendis comic.
>>150555950There are no sales figures for either title on Comichron either for the time period being compared (2011-2012). You're the one, once again, making shit up.
>>150555950>There was no way Marvel Adventures was outselling Miles-era USM in that time
>>150556962>>150557096Why lie? Miles debuted in 2011. Marvel Adventures was not outselling even pre-Miles USM. You don't have to like Miles, just don't make up shit.
>>150557161bro no one said it was outselling pre miles usm, but that the issues released between 2011 and 2012 outsold the fresh miles issues learn to read, the only one making shit up here is you
I like how the milesfag has a melty any time this gets brought up btw
>Miles kills USM's popularity>Mile's USM not being popular kills MASM>Miles gets brought back to ASM to tank its sales furtherMiles Morales truly is the grim reaper of Spider-man killing every title he touches
>>150557372It's genuinely impressive how he utterly tanks everything he appears in except the first spider-verse movie and the first insomniac spider-man game.
>bringing Miles arguments into this quaint little Marvel Adventures threadfucking vermin, all of you
>>150558101I accept your concession
>>150550540Why does Chet mog all of his other flings so hard?
Who the fuck is Chet
>>150559344She’s kind
>>150560295Peter's classmate, partner, and after a while his girlfriend. She's a mutant with the ability to communicate with animals and acts basically as Spider-Man's supporter. I can't put to words how refreshing it was not to have her be a like, techno-girlboss who does all the geeky science stuff to provide the quantum solution. She's often actually pretty out of her depth trying to help him, but her sincerity in doing her best makes it so that she isn't annoying at all, unlike e.g. Mary Jane acting like she has a chip on her shoulder because she hates being a damsel.
>>150562997The best love interest imo
>>150563918She's basically the only heroine who was never presented as some kind of obstacle to Peter, either directly or indirectly. Most heroines will either be an unwitting obstacle or negative force in his life because he lies to them all the time to preserve his secret identity, or if they do know his secret identity they go "oh thats great!" then bitch and moan and cry and do everything they can to punish him for being spider-man when it is inconvenient for them. Chet was really the only time he had a heroine on his side that was both for the most part a normal girl and also ride or die enough to be with him through thick and thin, as both Peter Parker *and* Spider-Man.For whatever reason, editorial hates the idea of him having a love life that doesn't suck ass.
>>150564437>For whatever reason, editorial hates the idea of him having a love life that doesn't suck ass.Must make them feel sad of their own lives lol
>>150550440bumping as requested
>>150558228concession for what, asking you shitters to leave these threads alone? I said the same thing last thread too, keep the usual /co/ Spiderschizo retardation out of here
>>150565500Thanks
>>150550440>Paul TobinHuh, didn't know the guy who wrote Bandette did Marvel comics
>>150566009He did a lot of it
>>150565512Aw come down, man, just ignore
>>150550440Is this digital coloring?
>>150568137Dunno, man
>>150564437>then bitch and moan and cry and do everything they can to punish him for being spider-man when it is inconvenient for themSomething spider-fans and editorial alike need to internalize is that no normal woman would ever want/be able to have a relationship with a man that is never home and is constantly putting their life on the line. They can accept the responsibility thing for a while, but eventually it'd wear anyone down. Imagine having a gf that's never around, regularly disappears for days at a time, and whom you constantly fear is dead or dying. Imagine doing it for years. The only way to get Spidey a good relationship, a realistic one, is to have her also be active in hero work, ideally his
>>150568776>Something spider-fans and editorial alike need to internalize is that no normal woman would ever want/be able to have a relationship with a man that is never home and is constantly putting their life on the line.Cops? Firefighters? Soldiers?
>>150569127Cops and firefighters mostly just hang around or do routine work, plus they have set schedules and aren't having to constantly ditch you at the drop of a hat cause Shocker is tearing up FAO Schwartz or whatever. Soldiers famously don't tend to have great relationships while deployed lol
>>150550518Such a shame.
>>150550440I wanted to mention this in an older thread but I forgot: as much as I love the Tobin run it's virtually detached from all the Marvel Adventures issues before it, especially the early ones where he fights the Sinister Six or teams up with Human Torch. Not to mention I'm pretty sure the cops aren't as hesitant to support Spidey's actions before Tobin's run made it a big deal. what I'm trying to say is his run should've always started with a rebranded #1 like here imo, keep the Marvel Adventures name but make it a new volume so the split is official
>>150568776>no normal woman would ever want/be able to have a relationship with a man that is never home and is constantly putting their life on the linefunny way to admit you've never had a normal relationship with a woman AND that you've never been tested in life, either alone or with a partner
>>150570617Yes, that would have been befitting, but all the same, I am glad we got his run
>>150551070>WOOO! I NEVER MISS!
>>150570635Do I have to explain the difference between being forced to go work on an oil rig or having to tend to a sick loved one and going out and being fucking Spider-Man every night?
>>150570617In general the previous Marvel Adventures were usually detached from each other. There's very few instances where I think a writer referenced something from another MA writer's story.
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>>150569398Cops and firefighters are always on call. My dad was one. And yes, there were times he'd be ripped away for work at the worst times; I almost never saw him during the week and even on weekends it wasn't unusual for him to have to leave because he was being called in to the station. Holy shit nigger have you never interacted with emergency service workers, like, ever?
>>150571085>Do I have to move the goalposts?Yes.
>>150557594>tanks everything he appears in, such as comic books that sell <1000 issues a run>other than three multi-100 million dollar pure profit projects
>milesnigger is back
>>150550639>bump the thread so others can see itI'll do it when the captcha lets me.
>>150574319>>150579619Thanks guys
>>150580276It was nothing. Thanks for the storytime.
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>>150550440what was the point for a relaunch anyway, I wonder? the ongoing storyline with the Torino family and Bullseye wasn't actually concluded so this feels like weird going back to #1 in the midst of an arc
>>150584221It's the mentality Marvel's had for some time, that they need to get a boost from another relaunch. You see this carry over in the 2010s
>>150584258oh I'm fairly aware of Marvel's obsession with #1's, I'm just surprised they did it A) for a smaller side comic and not 616/Ultimate titles, and B) in the midst of a major story arc, not after its conclusion to denote a new era
>>150584221Marvel keeps relaunching to get that fabled #1 which sells more than any other consequent issue. That's because Marvel's strategy has become turning comics into collectable items instead of a storytelling medium.Just look at the pay discrepancies between the cover artist and the interior artist.Recent example of this phenomena was that Batman was recently relaunched after years and years of continuity, and boy that brought in the big bucks for DC
>>150584221Todd McFarlane trvkes them about this when he was asked about the prices of comic book issues and vintages where he points out that speculators markets make first ed.'s of #1's the most valuable, which in turn means the original retailer (marvel in this case) can charge whatever the fuck they want for them knowing scalpers will offload the burden in their second and thirdhand margins. They don't really give a shit about actually telling stories anymore, which is why 99% of comics now are just soapboxes for whoever happens to be making them.
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>>150584347>Just look at the pay discrepancies between the cover artist and the interior artistwait you mean the cover artist gets paid more than the interior artist??
>>150585643I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but yes, quite a lot more when you consider page rate
to be fair it depends on the artists too. Alex Ross on cover art would immediately make the pay difference higher than usual but if it's some generic artist on cover and a superstar one, say, Jim Lee for interiors I assume the difference is less and perhaps even reversed
>>150585658I'm not being sarcastic, comic artist pay rates is just not something I'm familiar with. How is it that the interior artist who basically draws the entire comics (and also writes a lot of it if going by the Marvel method) paid less than the person who just draws the cover? I can understand variant covers being paid more, but for regular covers that looks just like a page on the inside I'm actually surprised
>>150587570>How is it that the interior artist who basically draws the entire comics (and also writes a lot of it if going by the Marvel method) paid less than the person who just draws the cover?Cause because of the speculator market, comics have transformed from a storytelling medium to a collector's market. Therefore, it does not matter what the story or the art inside the comic is, its the covers where you will put the big bucks. Many of those #1s you see get sold are not even read; they are kept in plastic regardless if its a good comic or not.And Marvel seeing the profits they can make from making comics as collectibles than stories, started to feed into the market — hence the cover artist making the most.If you want to go in depth to understanding this, check out this video.https://www.youtube.com/live/Hb9GqQoL8g8?feature=shared
>>150574319Ditto
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>>150587570Because not only is there a lot of variant cover collectors, there are people who have CGC grade and seal these books up in plastic cases. Since it's sealed you can't read the book and can only look at the cover.
