What went so right?
Superman and Batman are the only good ones. Rest are bland, Wonder Woman being the worst example
>>150646382Not being ultimate marvel
>>150646439I never hear anyone talk about Ultimate Marvel outside of Ultimate Spider-man and even people that were fans of USM are saying that basically nothing happens in the book.
Not having a monthly in-universe gap between issues
>>150646382Not much Martian Manhunter is good, the rest are pretty terrible. >>150646439Ultimate X-Men is the only comic marvel has made in over a year worth buying.
>>150646433you have odd taste
>>150646525>Not much Martian Manhunter is good, the rest are pretty terrible.sales chart disagree.
Absolute Cringe
>>150646451The X-men threads usually get some buzz but mostly in the cut girl variety. Which I guess is something.
>>150646382Evil women
>>150646463I don't understand why they copied weekly shonen passing, instead of monthly manga
I sorta get why Oliver Queen fans are pissed over Absolute Evil, but personally I wouldn't be surprised if they end up going the CW route and just making him the host of the Spectre at some point down the line, whenever they figure out what they wanna do with Spectre since how the universe was made.
>>150646694She's hot but this is a weird looking coverThe variant with Veronica Cale and Wonder Woman is better
>>150646525lmao its just girly manga shit
>>150646451>that basically nothing happensAnyone that says this about comics isn't really reading the issue fr
>>150646792I remember seeing people online complain and wrote off the mini.For being too similar to the mainline comic. Well, congrats right.
Absolute doesn’t have the bullshit time gimmick that ultimate has and scott snyder actually somewhat cares about the absolute universe compared to hickman and camp
>>150646439A major thing I'd say Absolute has over Ultimate is that the villains that are supposed to be a part of the overarching plot are actually relevant. Barring Absolute Manhunter all of the books have one villain who's a part of the Justice League, and even if there's other villains (Brainiac in Superman, the Gods in Wonder Woman, the Weaponers in Green Lantern) the ones with narrative relevance are still equally important.The Ultimate Universe fucked up royally with it's villainous cabal in comparison.>It took until Issue 20 for Sunfire to actually show up in UXM, Silver Samurai was downright irrelevant until Ultimate Incursion>Ra and Khonshu got sidelined in favor of the Progenitors in UBP>The Rasputins are actually semi relevant in Ultimate Wolverine but Ultimate Wolverine is the worst amongst the Absolute/Ultimate books by far>Duggary shows up sometimes but he's largely irrelevant, Europe is a nothingburger area>Da Costa is in Ultimate Incursion and he'll probably die there if we're being real, South America is irrelevant, Da Costa and Duggary only matter due to the parts of the United States they holdThe only one with actual relevance is the Hulk and that's because he buttfucked all of the Ultimates with his friends. The Justice League are all relevant on their own, the Maker's Council is irrelevant until it's time for another yearly circlejerk where they dickride the Maker and laugh at Nick getting himself killed again.
>>150646694Wondering if Elenora Thawne will get speedster powers too. Could flip the script entirely and make her The Turtle
>>150646382Camp on the Ultimates and Camp on Manhunter are like two different writers. Like he completely forgets the concept of subtext when writing the former.
I feel like the organization in Absolute Evil hasn't fully developed yet. Like, could Thawne and Cale evolve into something else? I could see Hector creating Earth based twists on The Manhunters for example
>>150646382>>150646433Martian Manhunter > Wonder Woman > BatmanThe rest are terrible.>>150647341Ultimates is so incredibly shitty. People only claim to like it because muh politics.
>>150647341I think it’s a mistake to critique Ultimates by saying it’s not subtle. Subtlety isn’t an absolute requirement when writing a good story, and I think the fact that the themes are impossible to ignore is part of why the book is mostly pretty good.
When will the first Absolute Omnibus come out?
>>150647380Yeah but Absolute Batman isn’t subtle and I have a fun time with that. The problem with Ultimates is it feels like I’m being lectured.
>>150646382Because it has best in career writing from a few of its authors, specifically Snyder, Camp, and Thompson. Thompson especially, AWW makes it seem like she was taking the piss with other books she’s written.
>>150646382Give another year and it will be shit. they'll be doing "Absolute Crisis" as a way to draw people in and label their sales figures for none Absolute titles.
>>150646439This lol
>>150647419Camp's best is still 20th Century Men.
>>150647419I wish AWW was the main book....
>>150647476Then you'd add a bunch of extra baggage.
>>150646451Idk people talk about ultimates and ultimate x-men too. And that's not true with USM either.>>150647155Desu kingpin is relevant, sure he's not a part of the cabal but everything in USM ties back to him.
>“My face, my name, my life — I do consider these my own business,” he explains. “But sometimes, business takes a back seat to pleasure… and you know what? It’ll be a real pleasure to inform on the Commie rats nibbling away at this great country. What do you want to know, boys?”>“My face, my name, my life — I do consider these my own business,”Odds of him having lost the first 3?
>>150646433>>150646382Green Lantern is the worst.
>>150646382Writers actually communicating with each other and sharing plans
>>150647448It's not that bad
do you guys think we will ever get animated movies based on the absolute universe ?
>>150646433just Batman, dont care for the rest
>>150647905Probably in a decade or so, if they end up having a solid 3-5 year run of the universe.
>>150647905Very likely, especially for Absolute Batman. He's a big boy because he's carrying the industry. Though the others are pretty popular. Absolute MM's been doing so well that it got an extension past its initial 6-issue run, MM alone runs laps on Marvel sales. Not making animated movies would be like leaving money off the table. Absolute movies should have zero multiverse nonsense or crossovers. It's cool if the villains communicate, but keep the heroes isolated.
>>150647905>>150647986I think it'd be earlier. In 1-2 years, DC could maybe comission a movie for Absolute Batman to attract more readers
>>150646382I know you are baiting, still Im gonna post this and you tell me what went right because I dont know
>>150648037>and you tell me what went right because I dont knowAbsolute Green Lantern's picking up where DB Super's indefinite hiatus left off.
>>150648037The artist started reading the original Dragon Ball manga, which improved the choreographed slightly
>>150648037>you tell me what went rightTwo words: Bruce. Wayne.
>>150646123its kino
>>150648098Does Absolute Bruce have an average penis like Prime-Bruce?
>>150647376I think AB Flash is being overhated. It's not as good as the top 3 but it's better than Superman and GL. It's standard fare, kinda generic 2010s "super tech" but it's competently done and straightforward Plus I like Grodd
>>150648136He has an Absolute dick. Bitches call him "The Colonizer."
>>150648136They call him 3-11. And that's when it's soft.
>>150648098I'm sorry, is this official? Is Absolute Bruce literally the fucking Engineer?
>>150648270They gave him hair in the final version
>>150646382wondy and martian are peak, superman and batman are so bad its laughable,, green lantern is just disappointing coming from ewing, havent read arrow.
>>150646382Torture
>>150646382why is green arrow here instead of flash? he didn't even last one issue
>>150648178i read a little bit of it and i honestly wasn't a fan. might just be because i'm a big fan of the rogues and i hate what they did to them. captain cold in particular is egregious - probably his worst look ever. even the cw show was better
>>150648178It's just slow, mostly just Wally running from his dad while his pet monkey calms him down when he has panic attacks, lots of setup going on but we haven't reached the payoff for any of those elements yet. It's not bad, just a bit dull at the moment, I think it'll get good once shit actually starts happening
I feel like, if AbsBats beats Joker, he's going to disprove the philosophy.
>>150646382They could not take Kyle Rayner at least?
Do you guys think Hammond will betray this Justice Leagur in the future? He seems like the only normal-ish guy in that group of psychos.
>>150648501Absolute Flash has villain of the month formula going on
>>150646382It's a fad
>>150646525>still pretending Ultimate X-Men is even remotely goodEnough of this shitty meme already.
>>150646433Honestly, based. Tired of all the Wonder Woman glazing. It's an extremely boring fucking book.
Absolute Aquaman when?
>>150646382Dont poor my favorite martian between those two losers
>>150646792I saw someone guess that he might be Deadman
It is somewhat engaging to see the depths to which the usual DC universe has been debased. It's not just the obvious things, like angsty Superman or fucked up Batman or the villains having "always won" since the beginning. There's the little things.Like how Willpower itself has become evil. It makes sense, when you think about it. Darkseid's often going on about "Will," it's just his will. And now his Will is a fundamental building block of an entire universe. So now Hal Jordan's saddled with his "Will" being a black hole of evil that keeps encouraging him to assert his will upon all things.
I wonder if John Jones will be asked to infiltrate the heroes as the bad guys need a weirdo on the inside and John is a government employee chasing terrorists.And it's a metacommentary on how no writer really seems to know what to do with the Martian Manhunter in a team book.
Honestly, you know what?I’m surprised nobody has ever told Darkseid that his entire motivation is kind of retarded>You want to just enslave everyone and make them suffer pointlessly because you’re the god of evil.>That’s dumb. You’re dumb.
>>150649703Darkseid has just become more generic over time.He started as a God, powerful but maybe not as strong as Superman, reliant on his armies and technology as well.Then Morrison made him Hyper-Dimensional and it's gone on from there.
>>150646792I think they're mostly mad about the comic they never bought being cancelled
>>150649703>>150649732Isn't that his gimmick? To be THE generic villain, but he is so cool you don't care?
>>150649809No, not at all.He’s just kinda dumb
Who knew Ewing would have the shittiest book.
>>150649862I've liked the past couple issues of GL personally, this month's one feels like it's from a different book entirely though
>>150646382Absolute Nortubel when
>>150649862AGL seems to have its fanbase, which seems to be more than can be said for Absolute Flash
>>150649862Anybody with taste?Ewing was never good.
>>150646433fpwp nigga>>150646451>no no all of this.. it's all about me
>>150648995Ewing has no sympathy for billionaires so he's dead as fuck lol
>>150648995He was having a friendly chat with his buddy Absolute Epstein earlier in this issue, how is he remotely normal?
>>150648292But he's lost that hair recently.
>>150650146I read the first arc of Absolute Flash, it wasn't bad at all but it feels like it's stepping on the toes of Absolute Superman, they just feel very similar.Absolute Green Lantern I heavily disliked when I read the first 3 issues, the artist and the inker do not work well together at all (a lot of the linework is really rough and the inker is just using it all) and the coloring is also quite bad (lot of gradients, very poor color choices.) The writing felt glacial, and it was going for horror but again none of that really gelled with the art, just a team really at odds with themselves with no cohesion.Absolute Wonder Woman is the best book, followed by Manhunter and Batman IMO.
>>150650250>the artist and the inker do not work well together at allI'm pretty sure the artist did his own inking and colouring, which makes that very funny, I would say it gets better as it goes on, as more of the mystery is revealed but the pacing is glacial as you said.
>>150650250>they just feel very similarThey're part of the absolute shonen genre with Kal and Wally being kids.
>>150650266Egg on my face, I've only read the book very casually.Absolute Superman has been getting a lot better as it goes, so it's not impossible to me that AGL could become a good book.
>>150650275The art for AGL is weird, I do agree with you can tell the artist wasn't ready for Prime Time big two yet, but he does seem to be getting better so far at least
>>150649468Hawkman has a ghost villain Ollie could turn into if they wanna go that route, Gentleman Ghost. Also is the implication that Ollie was aware of this horrible shit going on before and suddenly had a midlife crisis pang of morals/guilt kick in? Hammond was talking about him as if he knew him already
>>15046451I actually like most of Ultimate Marvel's output. I just fell off Black Panther because like most Black Panther runs it's kinda boring. I only keep up with Absolute Green Lantern and Batman, I like Wonder Woman but I haven't sat down to continue reading. I kinda fell off Flash and Superman. I think both universes are good, but both feel too disconnected within their runs, not enough brand planning to tie everything together. I'm not saying you should be required to read every single book that comes out, but I want more nods that other things are happening. I think UXM is the only one that actively does it.
>>150650376I'm the opposite, I love that the absolute books are self contained, the more they try to bridge the books the less I'm interested.
>>150648037what dbz online fancomic is this from?
>>150650578Better than Toyotaro desu
>>150647341>Like he completely forgets the concept of subtext when writing the former.I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards, every one of them.
>>150648028>He's a big boy because he's carrying the industry
>>150646382Green Lantern is trying so incredibly hard to be super dooper high concept scifi that it just doesn't make any sense on a basic storytelling level. It's a splattering of scifi concept word soup shoved in your face and you are supposed to be wowed at how cool and otherworldy everything in it is. And then they decided to focus on Jo Mullen, the one lantern out of like 10 that really has no fans at all.
>>150649732I have not been a fan of post Morrison Darkseid who is some end all be all of evil in the multiverse who makes avatars shit. He was more fun as the dictator of some alien planet full of wacky guys and flying money armies. He didn't need to be hyped up past that.
>>150651280I don't think it's that complicated (it's just a form of Law/Neutral/Chaos really), the pace is just stupidly slow, the first six issues could've easily been told over three issues. Also there are way too mant characters who we keep jumping to the perspective of on top of the slower pace.GL having the weird sci-fi vibe is fine
>>150648270He solves practical problems.
>>150649588Is that a fucking fridge?
>>150646451>and even people that were fans of USM are saying that basically nothing happens in the book.The problem with Nu-Ultimates is that too much is happening but you're only ever told about it and never actually shown >Peter ran through his Sinister 6 in a week >Gwen talks up how he's giving hope to the common people and can be a rallying point for the ultimates>All this is shown in a splash page and a small paragraph
>>150647147Which is funny because Camp cares about the Absolute universe
>>150649809Darkseid isn't so much a generic villain as he's meant to be a living embodiment of tyranny and fascism.Later writers just simplified him into being Sauron from space by generalizing him as a god of "evil" and that's where it all went downhill.
It's weird that the Absolute Green Arrow mini isn't until sometime next year, would make sense to release it sooner while what happened is fresh in everyones minds
Batman is the only good book in the series. The others are Marvel books that Marvel rejected.
>>150646439Ultimates is much better than Absolute.
>>150651370Stupid
>>150652139cool false flag, bro
I will never understand Wonder Woman dicksucking.Such a boring mediocre book.
>>150647986>if they end up having a solid 3-5 year run of the universe.lollmaowatch DC nuke the infinite money machine because of jealousy
>>150647389God knows. Has there been any for any of the runs yet?
>>150646792>>150649468>>150650328on the topic of the magic-side of DC, has Absolute Dr. Fate shown up yet? sounds like he's supposed to play an important role in this based on AE's discussion on order.though, the prospect of an Absolute Dr. Fate also sounds a bit scary. if our heroes are fighting against the natural order of the world, and Dr. Fate's role is to uphold order......
>>150652773I think he's mentioned on that Mirror Master two page, the schizo blackboard one mentioning stuff from around the universe. Hasn't appeared yet though
>>150652798the page from the FCBD issue
>>150647175need elenore thawne being the reverse flash in this scenario. tormenting wally, fucking barry nasty
>>150648178the issue with absolute flash is that elenore thawne is way, way more interesting than the rest of the book and she's barely in it
>>150649703That's basically every conversation he's had with Superman
>>150651370big agree
>>150646382I can't for the life of me understand what anyone sees in Absolute Batman, it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. I couldn't force myself to read it anymore after the issue where he drives a building, and everything I've seen from it since looks like it doubles down on the utter retardation. It's clownshoes and people are eating up, I don't get the appeal at all.
>>150652536None of them have been out long enough to have an omni without just combining the first arcs of all of them.but trades are out for the Trinity, Martian Manhunter comes out NovemberFlash and Green Lantern come out December
>>150651280The word soup is mostly just familiar names and concepts from regular GL mythology getting repurposed, so it feels more like dumb fun than something meant to wow the reader. Which arguably would somewhat undermine the cosmic horror, but let's not kid ourselves, AGL might as well be a shounen manga.
>>150653468>AGL might as well be a shounen manga.Isn't that all of the Absolute books besides Martian Manhunter
>>150649862Anyone who read his Venom. He's the most overhyped writer currently working.
>>150649588It's also corrupted the whole concept of light it seems like and what it's colors mean. It's kind of interesting how much they're letting be rewritten.
>>150651280>focus on Jo MullenHonestly I think this is the bigger issue. All the other nonsense could be tolerated if our lead was at least likeable but she just isn't.
>>150652111It's presumably a different Green Arrow then, right?
>>150652940Was this just a preview or is it supposed to be in one of the runs too?
>>150654321Lemire wrote it, so I guess Absolute Flash but it's just a small story about Absolute Mirror Master spying on the Absolute Trinity ,and he meets Mainline Mirror Master
>>150653575Tom King exists.
>>150646439>there are people right now who think marriage spiderfag cope: the book and discount tranime x-men are better than ultimates 1&2.
>>150651370>Faggot opinionwe don't care.
>>150654555Yes
>>150654303saw most anons thinking it's gonna be Roy
>>150654447You need to be hyped to be overhyped. No one is saying "let Tom King cook".
>>150655902>No one is saying "let Tom King cook".Of course they are.
>>150652254Ultimates was more fun. Absolute is for outlandish takes on characters like Batman, not failed 2010 Marvel books.
>>150657068Fuck no. Ultimates is pure boredom.
>>150657145I disagree that the early Ultimates were fun. Until Marvel killed everything in the... second Ultimates book. But I liked every Ultimates book. Until Ultimatum, it was fun. Was Loeb depressed? Maybe. But it's an entertaining read. If you read those last two Ultimates books, they're whodunit stories, more than “world ending” stories. The stakes are even lower than in the first two books.
>>150657203I wonder why Marvel squandered a chance at a clean slate for multiverse stuff
>>150646382looks kinda edgy
What the FUCK did Darkseid mean by this?
>>150657340Marvel and DC have a problem in that they want complete control. In a Shonen Jump environment, the author has more control over the content (even though the income is divided among thousands of companies), while the Big 2 format gives them complete control. With creators being credited (partially) only for characters and stories, the Multiverse is tricky for them. In a way, it doesn't break continuity, and it doesn't hurt the main continuity, which is so important to a constantly aging and conservative readership.
I've only read Absolute GL which had bad writing and worse art
I read Batman, Flash and Martian Manhunter. Batman was fine for the first arc, I felt like the Mr Freeze shit was boring (Snyder's attempts at reinventing Mr Freeze never work for me, his freeze in New 52 wasn't interesting either) and after that it lost a bit of momentum for me. Flash has been meh, I expect more of Jeff Lemire, it feels decompressed and nothing much of worth has happened. And Martian Manhunter has been the stand out and plenty of people in the thread have mentioned it already.
>>150657203My bad. I was talking about Camp's Ultimates.
>>150657440Wouldn't it be really fucking weird if Absolute Lex was Absolute Doctor Fate?
>>150657440He saw those gay faces in the June covers
>>150657440This rosy cheeked motherfucker is secretly one of the most perverse and depraved people out there.
>>150651280>And then they decided to focus on Jo Mullen, the one lantern out of like 10 that really has no fans at all.They needed a black person for their Absolute line. And she's a gay woman.
>>150657440Wasn't there an Omega symbol in the clouds behind him too?
>>150651280Could it be argued that since this reality was forged from Darkseid's will (be it by design or chaotic so he just had a space to heal), the emotional spectrum doesn't exist? Anti-Life and his tyrannical nature has no use for such concepts. While emotions and of course light exist, the ties no longer bind the two. So the energy now is harnessed via action, inaction, and chaos
I'm really surprised how long DC are taking to introduce new Absolute titles, I don't think that's a bad thing but I'd expect DC to milk this for everything they can. Maybe there really are people internally at DC not happy that it's overshadowing the rest of their output
>>150646433>Absolute supes.>Good.I want whatever you're smoking.
>>150657504They couldn't do Stewart?Y'know, one of the most beloved versions of the character?
>>150657440My guess: Darkseid understands that Lex's boundless ambitions combined with his genius is just as threatening as any hero so he purposefully arranged for Lex to have a happy life he could be content with, that way he wouldn't go and shake up the established world order for his own reasons.
>>150657596He's not a gay woman.
>>150657637True, he's only one of those things
>>150657440It's because of this that I'm pretty sure main universe Lex will win that DC KO thing and then meet up with Absolute Lex
>>150657579>Maybe there really are people internally at DC not happy that it's overshadowing the rest of their outputHonestly I think it has to be this. There really isn't much other explanation for it.
NOOOOOOOOO
>>150657752Question isn't even there Hawk Guy
>>150657579I would *like* to assume that someone at DC is opting for restraint and not immediately oversaturating the market, but since this is DC we're talking about, your theory is probably more correct.
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
>>150657773He just learned about Renee Montoya
>>150657752wonder who the other mainline heroes who will be villains in absolute, Captain Atom and Doctor Fate could be evil
>>150657859Oh Captain Atom is 100% going to be a villain. the whole thing with the Justice League is about keeping the status quo and the government doing shady things to keep that status quoAtom is gonna probably be the army's response to Superman
>>150657596I think Ewing talked about this in an interview, basically, he and the editor thought Stewert was too passive, so they replaced him with Jo(at the editor's suggestion)
>>150657799He really is the Demiurge here isn't he?
>>150657915Yeah, we just need some drawanon to redo this comic, but with Darkseid
>>150649703He's a petty asshole. That's his whole character. He's a hater for the love of the game.
>>150657752Notice how Carter's uniform looks like a Blackhawk?
>>150657752The Hawkman design on the cover is different to both the one shown in the flashback and this one, weird. Probably just a red herring/avoiding spoilers I guess
Even though the Absolute Universe is essentially all Darkseid, like he has that universe, I hope he incarnates in it once or twice. And when he does incarnate, I hope it’ll just be him in like John Jones’ house sitting in an easy chair talking shit.
>>150658433Maybe that's what Absolute Lex is. He was introduced sitting in a chair, and that one shot of him has the Omega symbol in the sky behind him
>>150657995It is possible that he was part of them, but something happened to him.
>>150657579They seem to be taking their time.With 5 titles + a mini.
>>150658453Maybe, but I think Ewing being the Morrison fan he is, if he were to introduce a character only to reveal that it’s actually Darkseid, it’d be Dan Turpin.
>>150657630Huh, you know I think I like this. If explains why this looks to be a Luthor who has everything. A wife, kids, and a full head of hair. He's living it up well in this universe. No threats or attacks needed to keep him out of his way if Luthor is happy with life and has no reason to. I hope that's the reason.
>>150658433Who else knows of his presence besides the Green Martian?
>>150646382>that green lanternmaybe I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up
>>150651280even THIS had to have some retarded diversity.we should never expect any large initiatives to not have it. it's just how business is nowadays.
>>150657752>Hawkmummy Neat
>>150657752He bonked Ollie twice
>>150658780Possibly Sinestro since he's revealed to be an Abin Aur who has achieved the highest level of enlightenment
>>150658858>people with logic defying powers>okay>anyone who isn't white>not okayI'll never understand that
>>150646382I hate this sort of "inversed universe". "The bad guys are the good guys!" type of shit. it feels obvious and has a ceiling that just leads to the same shit without the inverse.For example, if this is a Darkseid universe that makes everything inherently wrong, and it has a Superman, it means that a Bizarro Superman must exist, or has to be brought in, to be the "good" version. So expect Superman and/or Superboy Prime to transfer to this place and start the "Crisis" event. Screencap this.
>>150659203That's DC trying to have it both ways. Instead of employing retired elsworlds, because of the aging continuity-obsessed fanbase. DC decided that everything is canon, and to legitimize that verse, they came up with this gimmick. It's lame, I know. But that's how it works.
>>150658732It will be insanely funny if upon hearing the info about the Omega Particle from Joker, Lex becomes the strongest soldier for Good. Because he knows people can have everything and be happy, just due to Darksied trying to contain Luthor's boundless ambition.
>>150659238It's all they do, and there are only so many times you can pull the same trick
>>150659238Wat
>>150659404I wonder if he will take a costumed identity.
>>150646433WW not GL? let me guess you are black...
>>150659150"black" was not diverse enough with John Stewart, they also needed a muslim man and latina girl and then a gay black woman with puffy hair.GL should pivot away from humans anyways. they have entire universe to play with but they just add more diverse retarded shit.
>>150659433BIG 2 and Western comic books in general are sold to a higher age bracket. Compared to manga, which is sold to children who can't even read yet. And that's why continuity is a big deal for these older, more demanding nerdy fanbases. Convergence was just DC saying, “Fuck it, everything is canon.”
>>150657859Zatanna is already being sent to fight Wonder Woman.Makes me wonder if these characters will stay evil or find redemption.
>>150659481People who grew up with JLU like John. Geoff Johns may have made Hal popular, but JS is the “normie” Green Lantern. I think that was even the reason why the GL movie wasn't a bigger success. Maybe US would have been a flop because US has a really weird relationship with black people. But it would have been a worldwide hit.
>>150659481>GL should pivot away from humans anyways. they have entire universe to play with but they just add more diverse retarded shit.This is a great point. It's like if you did Star Trek or Star Wars and instead of different aliens on the ship they just kept telling you "Look a paraplegic Korean and a transexual Inuit!" (I guess Star Trek has actually already arrived at this...)
>>150651280Kill off Jo and replace her with Kyle. Also replace Ewing too.
>>150651484Holy fucking shit I didn't even see that kek
>>150659456Steel
>>150657752What if it's not Carter, but Hector instead?
>>150660058People thought about it, but isn't he embargoed?
Absolute Universe is gonna end with Darkseid being defeated and the universe destroyed, but the our Absolute heroes + Joker will end up in the main universe
>>150646382Why does WW have giant anime sword like Cloud Strife or Ichigo Kurosaki?
>>150659150>>150659481You have to remember that every character created after 2012 is a vehicle for their creator to collect royalties should any adaptation of the property be made. One of the easiest ways to make your character competitive in that market is diversity points. Blame the state of the industry.
What's wrong with Absolute Superman everyone says it sucks. The art looks good and Supes' design is edgy but not too over the top
>>150660926Mainly because of the pacing.
>>150661187Flash has worse pacing.
>>150660926Many are still upset he's fighting Ra's al Ghul instead of an actual Superman villain.I feel like they could've done a variation of Ultra-Humanite there.
>>150661199So?
>>150661187>>150661225Oh okay. The way people are talking about it I figured it was more preachy than Camp's Ultimates
>>150659497>BIG 2 and Western comic books in general are sold to a higher age bracket.which is funny because they're even more childish
>>150661240I don't think it's as good as other Absolute books, but I still think it's mostly fine.Still wish we could get more Absolute versions of Superman villains tho, instead of like, Peacemaker and the Al Ghuls.
>>150661292I think Metallo is an underappreciated character that serves very well as a starter villain while also having a lot of room to write and design him how you want
>>150660926it has the subtlety of a captain planet story written by david cage
>>150661337I think it's folly to expect most cape comics to be any amount of subtle, but there is a point where it gets annoying and Ultimates ends up crossing it
>>150657630Oh no, I'm the Lex of another universe.
>>150657504To be fair Hal has been something of a co-protagonist so far, and because of what >>150649588 said because of the way this universe is it is far more interesting if he is NOT a Green Lantern in this universe. Hopefully he can go hang out with Sinestro and Kilowog for a while while Jo fags around. John, Guy, and Simon are already part of the main supporting cast, so there's that too. Jo is still not a good protagonist, but if not for the covers at times you wouldn't even be able to tell that she is supposed to be one.
>Dood, what if Batman is super strong and cool and rapes everyone?Who likes this?
>>150657752Are evil Hawkmen legally required to cover their faces?
>>150657630I haven't read all of the Absolute Comics, but what I have makes the situation seem less like what the Maker did in the NuUltimate Universe. Whereas in that, he very specifically used time travel to fuck with the histories of some heroes to unmake them or undermine them or the like, in Absolute it seems less intentional. The entire universe has been reordered along the lines of morals being debauched, heroes finding their very personalities and stories turned to darker, less hopeful purposes. It doesn't seem like Darkseid is specifically going after certain heroes, more than his Will as a Moral Law of the Universe resulted in these things happening. Often poetically, but simply because of what the moral spin does in those situations.For some, their stories just end badly instead of well. Like Golden Age Sandman. For others, they're actual morals are corroded, like Wild Cat being bribed.
>>150661649>Hopefully he can go hang out with Sinestro and Kilowog for a while while Jo fags around.Jo needs to use black girl magic to fuck the evil white man soul out of Hal. It's the only way, unfortunately.
>>150661689....Have you kept up with Absolute Batman?He's the one getting raped if anything
>>150657630That's kinda brilliant.You just KNOW if Lex felt something was off he'd somehow, some way, upend the entire fucking universe just to prove it
>>150662131Is she supposed to be lesbian or bi? Dunno if intentional but her and twink Hal's scenes in this make it seem like they're being paired up if anything
>>150661689The hard counter is to introduce an unrapeable Joker I guess
>>150661689Me
>>150646382I've not read it but Absolute Wonder Woman looks like a rip-off of Lady Sif there.
>>150662389she's Bi
>>150660889Anon, I was criticizing nerds who for some reason are bothered by non-white and non-cis people. But they're okay with pulp garbage. Holy shit, last time one of the mods deleted my ironic comment about how DC comics had more gorillas than non-white people.
>>150663247> Holy shit, last time one of the mods deleted my ironic comment about how DC comics had more gorillas than non-white people.lmao
>>150646382Why did they make green lantern hot?
>>150646792fuck commieshawkman 5eva
Why Batman gets his ass kicked so much here.
>>150646710Because shonen manga is more popular than cape comics
>>150663605Because despite engaging in deliberate self-sabotage, they still kinda sorta want this book to sell. Subconsciously, probably.
How traumamaxxed will they make this universe's version of Billy Batson
Ive only read absolute batman so far, going in I didnt realize this was a universe created by Darkseid (which makes sense in hindsight). However the general pitched concept of "working class batman" honestly feels discard or underdeveloped. Yes there are still aspects of it but its totally handwaved where he manages to get things like building sized dump trucks. As well the villains feel over the top, as in so insanely evil and powerful apparently controlling the entire world etc.I think the plotline could have gotten there eventually but Id like to have seen some more one off encounters with remixed villains of this universe.For lack of a better term it feels too edgy to me at points.
>>150646533That's because Absolute MM is a comic book, not a cape book. They actually fully recontextualized his character in a whole different way instead of the "What if superheroes were gritty and said fuck?" Ultimate Marvel angle the other books were going for.
>>150664032Like everything Snyder has done, the series is about action. His background is irrelevant.
>>150646433Batman and Wonder Woman are the best while the rest are absolute dogshit.Superman is just a big baby the entire way.
>>150663969It is theorized that he will have Peter Pan syndrome, an adult that turns into a child.
>>150646694Kind of a redundant statement. More like female characters being allowed to be portrayed in a more realistic light, instead of a heroic girl-boss light. And let's face it...evil females are more interesting (and appealing to male audiences) than yet another evil dude.
>>150660412what, she was supposed to fight the tetracide with a toothpick?
>>150664312Peter Pan was more of adult that never experienced classical maturity, he never truly de-aged, not even in Hook
I've never been a fan of Darkseid at all, and he's largely been one of my least favorite "big bass" because he has absolutely nothing to him outside of being really really evil and really really strong - but the way the Absolute universe as a whole is treating him honestly makes this specific portrayal both extremely interesting and one of my favorite comic "villains" in years.Something about him being this Azathoth-esque figure and only ever seen by way of conspiracy theories, metaphysical glimpses, and characters slowly piecing together the nature of reality as a whole over the whole comic line while still having each run feel relatively contained is both very engaging and very interesting storytelling to me. I absolutely love the bizarre cosmic horror angle it lends to the entire universe and while I often hated whenever Darkseid showed up in the mainline because inevitably it would just turn into the exact same big god-level brawl storyline, I am ecstatic when we get some vague rumination on the nature of the universe, some schizophrenic's conspiracy board, or scientific discoveries on the inherent malignance of the world. I feel like nobody talks about this aspect, but I think it's really cool.
>>150657534Yes
>>150664409Indeed
Absolute garbage, it's just endless edgy wankfests for powerscaling zoomers
>>150651370Agree and Disagree. Kirby's Darkseid was fine as the grandiose villain using Earth as the final chess piece in his game against Highfather for the control of the universe. He was great as a "sometimes villain". You used him sparingly because THE final battle against Darkseid was one of those things that would never happen. It's what made The Great Darkness Saga so cool. Darkseid's machinations could always be foiled, but he himself would just slink back into the shadows to scheme again. You never ACTUALLY reach Darkseid. That's what Morrison's Embodiment of Emptiness Darkseid was trying to be, but without the "constraints" of normal cape comic logic. The implication that Superman beating him in Final Crisis just turned him INTO the nothingness between matter was a fine ending for that kind of Darkseid, but the "Oooo Darkseid wears 52 faces and not even the New Gods know his true one!" got silly, because it then just makes Darkseid an aspect of reality and not a real villain
>>150664843Cope
>>150646382the name: Absolute is such a cool word.
>>150665262It's nice that when DC eventually fucks everything up like they always do and cans this universe it can then be called Obsolete too
>>150661751It does give them a more sinister vibe. Like the predator mixed with a silent hill character. Covering his face disconnects us from his humanity. Makes him looks like an executioner, and a force of nature rather than just a guy
>>150665152There's that annoying comic book race using Fourth World. But reading Kirby, he always dealt with social issues and always used heavy-handed metaphors in his stories. A lot of what is lost in Fourth World is that people pick up on the funky aesthetics but ignore the rest. Like, fucking death is a black man on skis.
>>150662131Unfortunately, having over the top willpower is Hal's shtick. And, well, he did already execute an Oan insurgent, so he is off to a good start as a Black Hand. Can simple pussy save him? Or even threesome with Jo's ex-wife?
>>150659522Stewart isn't the normie Lantern anymore. The New 52 movies are old enough that we have adults nostalgic for them let alone the 20 years it's been since JLU. It's been so muddled that there really isn't one at this point
>>150666870Anon, there are probably more children who are fans of Guy than Hal. Normie appeal, means, outsider media. JS and Guy are the face of Green Lantern.
>>150665152Yeesh
>>150646451Because nothing happens, I feel like the books being all stung along by the time gimmick means no one is really bothering trying to do any genuine plots because they recognize how much the skipping would fuck up the pacing
>>150647155It also highlights how bad the communication is on the Ultimate side of things Hickman and Camp are the only ones having genuine sit downs and as a consequence everyone else is just kinda doing their own thing compared to Snyder sitting down and talking with everyone so everyone is aware of what each other are doing
>>150646710The monthly skipping wouldn't be that nightmarish if the books were biweekly instead of once a month or of they increased page count but as is it's the worst of both worlds
>>150647155>The Smartest Man in the Universe put a bunch of literal retards in charge of running things and all it took was him disappearing for about 2 years for everything to immediately go to shit
>>150647376My biggest problem with the Ultimates is the Council not doing anything about them, like what do you mean the have an entire time manipulated prison base and the Council seemingly just lets it rock
Why did Abin Sur tell people to be entirely without fear, but others to be with fear? Before they were even judged?
>>150667227I think we can all agree that Darkseid has gone from "Cool master of evil" to "The Final Boss of DC" to "Jobseid; Barometer of Crisis-Level Events" because everyone after Kirby kept trying to gas him up as the biggest thing ever.
>>150650376I feel like the problem with UBP is Jill wants to tell a story that doesn't really work within the confines of the Ultimate setting especially with the timer going on in the background, like a multigenerational Dunesque epic for Black Panther sounds cool...but it doesn't work with what's going on with the rest of the Ultimate universe just like with Peach's X-Men book
>>150652263I assume it's because King's book is that much worse
When will it be Trigon's time to shine? Darkseid has had his chance
>>150652773Hawk & Dove become funny in this scenario too, Dove would be "evil" and Hawk would be "good"Not that anyone cares enough about Hawk & Dove for them to appear, the push they got in the New 52 was weird as it was
>>150667831During the N52 animated movies, trigon was the only character that had his reputation improved by them.
>>150661689I just got done with the 12 issues and I don't think he won a major fight in it's entirety. From the top of my head>gets btfo by Chill (dead dad)>gets btfo by joker >gets btfo by victor fries>gets btfo by bane 4-6 times >gets btfo by lab doctors >gets btfo by poison ivy (saved by bane at last minute, only to get btfo by bane again)Missing anything?
Meet the Absolute Red Hood
>>150668308>Bald
>>150668308>bald womanWhy?
>>150661689me
>>150664409yeah i agree with this, darkseid is such a boring slog of a villain usually and his use in absolute is much better and fairly original
>>150668308That's Harley Quinn dummy.>>150668489>>150668629Women being bald goes against usual gender roles, it represents how she's a rebellious type of character, one who doesn't conform to what society expects of them.Also it's my niche fetish and Snyder wants her to specifically appeal to me.
>>150657752So are Absolute Hawkman and Zatanna evil? Or just misguided/being controlled?
DC please leave some wiggle room for an absolute peacemaker run
>>150669001If they wanted to subvert Harley she should be a actual good psychologist who helps croc out.
>>150646527But he steams a good ham.
>>150646382They let Darkseid cook.
>>150669023Hawkman was clearly a corrupt hero at best in the 50s. Now he's straight up evil
>>150649348Elaborate.All I know is I want it to bring back "utterly despises Aquaman for reasons that always turn out to be things he was lying about to fuck with Aquaman and generally has all the warmth and humanity of Michael Myers"-style Black Manta.>I must kill the sea.
>>150669442Black Manta is the exact same
>>150664032He's a civil engineer, not a wagie.
>>150648028>>150648035Absolute Batman needs to be a live action movie, adapting the first arc. Needs to go full early John Carpenter stylistically-especially Assault on Precinct 13 and Escape from New York.
>>150669179They don't want to subvert Harley. They want to make her sexy.Abs Bats isn't about subverting shit. It's about a bunch of really cool bullshit happening.
>>150669344>Hawkman was clearly a corrupt hero at best in the 50sWhy? Something creepy with hawk girl?
>>150646382Wonder how fucked is Absolute Aquaman. Weird we havent heard anyone about it yet.
>>150670216No, but he was closely working with the government.
>>150670255I think mainline Aquaman title takes place in the absolute universe, it is possible for Arthur to meet his counterpart in his run
>>150647905James Gunn doesn't want to do the old style of direct to video/streaming animated movies anymore. The only DC animated movies from now on will be like Dynamic Duo and Huntress. The Knightfall animated Trilogy is never going to happen. The days of the DCAMU adapting New 52 books within 2 years of their publishing are over. Even if it'd be a smart move to pump out absolute movies, Gunn's ego won't allow it.
>>150646382No thanks, I'll stick with my classic DC with cheesecake and without this stupidity of realistic costumes made for the modern audience.
>>150649732>>150649809>>150652011Perhaps it's time to admit that Darkseid was never well written, that nothing related to the new gods is
>>150670367Kirby really needed a good editor
>>150669344Hating commies isn't being "corrupt"
>>150670521You're right, anon. Hawkman was definitely portrayed as an upstanding and purehearted hero
catwoman x batman being casca x guts is based
>>150670367I want to fuck Big Barda though
>>150670767It's almost weird seeing anything good happen to Absolute Bruce
>>150670767So who's gonna be Griffith? Which of the sons of bitches who Bane brutalized on a narrative level is going to sell them out to the Joker?
>>150670521>Hating commies isn't being "corrupt"he was going behind the JSA's back to rat out the secret identities of active heroes so the Darkseid-influenced evil entrenched world order could have them all killed or bribed into submission. now in absolute evil he just killed Oliver Queen who was trying to stop Absolute Epstein's (Jubal Slade) island of child sex traffickers. So yeah, very corrupt, very evil
>>150655902>No one is saying "let Tom King cook".Maybe not on 4chan, but people love his slop.
>>150646382>What went so right?Nothing. It's all junk.
>>150670861Anons saw commies mentioned and all reading comprehension went out the window seemingly
>>150670767Batman gets pegged?
>>150670324That leotard makes her look less muscular . Weird
>>150670324What a whore
>>150671030sometimes you just wanna be little spoon for your brazillian childhood friend gf, absolute batman is fucking 6'9 naturally so most women can't even properly wrap their arms around him.
My pitch for Absolute Shazam>Billy Batson is a 20 something adult who has a hard time keeping it together, having a minor criminal record and a bit of immaturity. However that all changed when he realizes he's a dad, and now has sole custody of a 10 year old he never knew he had. Things get more complicated when Billy is chosen to be Earth's Mightiest Mortal. It's a journey for Billy to not only become the dad his child needs, but to become the best version of himself
>>150671126I have a better idea.He's 40-something and his "Shazam" form is a 12 year old
>>150671169No
>>150671126>Absolute Shazam is 12 year old Billy infiltrating Absolute Epstein's island to kill Jubal Slade for murdering his parents
>>150661689He's been getting his ass beat though?
>>150667519...they live in a giant vibrator?
I can't be the only one here who hears Absolute Brainiac's lines as Harlan Ellison, can I?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwfpVRVWlo&t=981
>>150646451The best thing to ever come out of Ultimate Marvel 2 was DC catching wind of what they were doing and making their own Ultimate Marvel where they actually do shit with the concept.
>>150668308Damn they turned Harley Quinn into Arkham Tim Drake?
>>150670889Reddit loves that fucker.
>>150647021the forced "every issue happens in real-time, so every monthly issue is a month time skip" gimmick really does mean that a lot of ongoings basically boil down to nothing fucking happening because it's more like a slice of life vignette of 5 minutes before the issue's out of pages.USM has to ignore the core premise with flashbacks and shit to actually tell an arc and even then half of peter's family has gotten basically zero development in a year.The real-time gimmick would need a weekly release schedule to be worth or the issues would need to be like twice as long to actually tell enough story to justify a month skip
>>150647155I think it's tell the only Villain in the Ultimate universe worth paying attention to is Kageyama, Hulk is great but he's obviously going to get taken out by the Ultimates, it feels like far too many of the villains simply exist to be fodder for heroes to get the brief action sequence in each issue
>>150672298Legitimately baffling they didn't increase page count of something, the gimmick completely kneecaps most of these books
>>150668308At least she’s a villain again
>>150668489>>150668629Bald is beautiful, chuds.
>>150672298The gimmick is fucking awful and ruining this run entirely. I haven't seen anyone even talk about this Ultimate line except for the very very beginning of Spider-Man but I haven't seen anything even about that since.
>>150646382i think there is something quite beautiful about the absolute universe being stories about heroic spirits triumphing in a world that is utterly evil. like, the idea that bruce would still be batman in a world like this, even without his mother dying or his resources as a billionaire, is quite touching.Superman is a pretty okay book, I like the idea of him being a third-worldist kind of figure who opposes the status quo rather than an American who supports it.Batman is fucking stupid, but often in an entertaining way. I really like the dense panelling and that every issue has at least one utterly retarded splash page, and some cool action or horror stuff going on, but the actual storytelling is terrible. The flashbacks to his dad's death were way too long, the jim and martha pages are toilet paper, the characters are given backstory in quite juvenile ways (Alfred pulling out a photo for no reason just to tell the audience his backstory). But there is undeniably a really interesting aesthetic to the title that kind of carries it.I only care about the Sherman art in Wonder Woman, the writing is incredibly mid. Thompson doesn't know how to let the art speak for itself, there's a weird gaggle of pretty indistinct supporting characters following her around, but I do think she found a good voice for Diana.Green Lantern is very underrated. The art is expressive and interesting, I would rather something like this with looser pencils than the usual stony faced action figures we see in most titles. I like that the story is based around two opposing philosophies about how to act in the world, and I see that Ewing is having a lot of fun playing around with these concepts (much more explicitly than he did in previous works that touch upon the same ideas). It's (along with MM) one of the only titles that has depth in its writing.I love MM for the usual reasons, and Flash is generic dogshit.
I like messiah complex accelerationist tech CEO Ra's.
>>150668308I knew they were gonna pull some shit like this.KILL HER OFF. HORRIBLY.
>>150661233Superman's pacing:>Find out more about life on Krypton, explore the Earth a bit more, villains reveal, shit happens.Flash's pacing:>Barry on the run!?I just don't think Superman has that bad pacing issues.
I feel like the execution of most of the interesting ideas are just bad in a way I can't put my finger on. But it is a charming mess, mostly. And it is really sad that elseworld/alternate universe takes are all it really takes to make most people feel something about comics again.
>>150646382I had no faith in Green DEItern, but I just binged the entire series and this shit is basically Ewing writing a Buddhist-cosmic horror manga. I loved the shit out of it.
>>150648037Esto es el fin planeta negro...
>>150673799Nah
>>150660926It's just boring, and the Peacemakers and their helicopter tanks feel fucking retarded. We're 12 issues in and basically nothing has happened except he met Lois and Jimmy.
>>150661689No one? He was saved from becoming that by Croc and Alfred. If anything, it was him who definitely got raped when he was in Ark-M. It's basically shonen Batman, enjoy it for what it is.
>>150660926Out of the original 3 Absolute Titles, Superman was the slowest burn. We're now near the end of what Jason Aaron deems the first arc up to issue 14 and it still sorta just feels slow compared to every other Absolute title so far
>>150673968>nothing has happenedI mean, we got his background on Krypton. We got Jimmy set up, Lois set up, Ras and his goal set up. I wouldn'y say nothing has happened.
>>150672982>I really like the dense panelling and that every issue has at least one utterly retarded splash pageI think this is a large part of its success, Absolute Batman is so over the top it's actually able to compete with top selling manga in sales and has people genuinely excited over leaks and rumors. Can't remember the last time a Big 2 comic book had people that engaged that wasn't a "oh god, what ragebait retardation is editorial pushing now?" way (like Paul in ASM)
>>150674031It's called having a consistent ongoing storyline.Plus it's so fucking moronic that it's amazing
>>150674031Amazing how Ultimate Spider-Man completely fumbled this, like looking back is wild how excited every one was after the first issue only for it to completely "peter" out, I guess next time don't let Hickman near Spider-Man
>>150672425Because the universe is disjointed, the setting lacks cohesion, if feels like half the books don't really care about the overarching plot with the Maker and are basically being forced to acknowledge it
>>150646433>Wonder Woman being the worst exampleWrong. Its legit kino
>>150674369Kek western readers are so cringe. Do you see anyone questioning the absurdity of chainsaw man? Just unwind and enjoy Batman riding the huge crocodile gentlemen
Have they introduced Absolute Livewire, and is she an E-thot?
>>150674912Sadly, the Superman book is being pretty slow at introducing Absolute versions of his villains, so no.
>>150674438It has nothing to do with Hickman in this case. Ultimate Spider-Man was completely kneecapped after a very strong start by the terrible real-time monthly pacing of the entire universe. It keeps anything from actually fucking happening and Spider-Man is one of the worst examples of this.When he's actually allowed to write anything happening, Hickman is doing fine with this run. Better than the abysmal mainline.
>>150670290>James Gunn is developing a slate of DC animated "Elseworlds" projects, which will exist outside the main DC Universe (DCU) and include the confirmed animated TV series Starfire, My Adventures with Green Lantern, and Super Powers. He also confirmed that his first major Elseworlds movie project will be an adaptation of the comic series The Jurassic League, which features anthropomorphic dinosaurs like Superman as a brachiosaurus and Batman as an Allosaurus.
>>150670324Why do you call ass and titties cheesecake? Is a legbeard holding a gun to your head?
>>150671093Why is she missing her lower body?
>>150674976>Why do you call ass and titties cheesecake?Because some realize that the world existed before they were born. They read about it and aren't worried about people who have trouble reading 20 page pamphlets made of pictures and words making fun of them for knowing shit.
Theory: considering the Absolute universe's version of Venom gives you superhuman control over your body's cells, if they do make the Joker paranormal, maybe his origin is similar to the "he's just some guy who found a Lazarus Pit under Gotham shortly after it was founded" possible Joker origin from Endgame, and Venom is just a derivative/watered down version of whatever magickal substance makes him rot alive unless regularly resupplied with fresh stem cells straight from live fetuses and also able to turn into a dragon-Pennywise-Baphomet-thing.
>>150657995I feel like that's meant to convey it's just Carter Hall, and not Katar Hol.
>>150646451It took me like two decades to know the gimmick of ultimate, mostly because i just thoight it was an AU for spider (and only that because of the game)
Where the hell are they going with all this commie shit all of a suddenLike why is this theme here
>>150675233That's been the defining theme of Absolute since day 1.
>>150650688That bar is so low, it is melting from the earth core.
>>150675241Is this just something that's blatantly obvious in the other runs because it's not at all as central in Batman's(well, I suppose Bane's new take fits into it rather neatly, to his benefit even)
>>150675233where do you get communism from that?in D&D terms, since the Absolute universe is MADE from Darkseid's energy, and all matter in it is influenced by him down to the subatomic level with Omega particles, the entire universe is biased towards Lawful Evil. The "Just World" fallacy IS real, with there GENUINELY being a godlike figure putting his thumb on the scale to reward and punish people....it's just that God is DARKSEID so the world is biased towards HIS morals which mirrors Apokalips.That's not communism, that's Gnosticism with Darkseid as the Demiurge. Read Absolute Martian Manhunter for more of this, White Martians are basically infectious cognitohazards likely spawned from the Anti-Life Equation, with Darkseid himself being "Bad Idea #0"
>>150675271The choice of him calling Queen a "little anarchist" after going on in detail about how all the last generation's heroes were sellouts to or casualties of the Absolute Universe's red scare specifically—the detail of Green Arrow(DC's token conservative) deciding to do something about Epstein's Island and immediately getting killed for it is moreso cheekiness
>>150662395Gordon is monster fucker strongest oldier here, that will only motivate him more.
>>150672408She is going to be batman's ally/sidekick in this universe instead of Robin. She isn't a villain.
>>150675285>the detail of Green Arrow(DC's token conservative) deciding to do something about Epstein's Island and immediately getting killed for it is moreso cheekinessGreen Arrow has been a leftist for longer than you've probably been alive, his "moral cancer" speech is itself a reference to a similar one from decades ago, with Jubal Slade being a deep cut reference as well to an exploitative slumlord.Wally is the token "midwestern conservative" of DC, not Ollie.
>>150675300You're absolutely right about the ignorance on my part, then.
>>150664409Existentialism was the missing piece to make Darkseid cool.
>>150670521Bro the US government is basically run by moloch in the absolute universe. They are the badguys.
>>150672982>I only care about the Sherman art in Wonder Woman, the writing is incredibly mid.I really like how focused it is on greek mythology. Wonderwoman never really feels like an authentic mythological hero, but absolute wendy totally does.
>>150664409Yeah I like it a lot too, one of the coolest parts is that it makes his signature phrase even more relevant and genuinely spooky; "Darkseid IS" in the Absolute Universe isn't just a one liner before he gets knocked out by somebody punching him hard, it's LITERALLY true. The fundamental nature of reality IS made from Darkseid, "Darkseid IS" is a glimpse at the underpinnings of life and for the first time it genuinely makes sense why it's enough to drive people mad at glimpsing it.
>>150675361>MolochStop using words you don't understand
>>150675416Make me, faggot.
>>150675437I can't but you're making yourself look like a fool
>>150675397>The Uncertainty Principle in the Absolute universe means that a wave gives three different possible states; unobserved, observed, and observed while drowning kittens in its presence
>>150675397
>>150646382Honestly not sure the only good ones are Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman, Superman and Flash are interesting but are kinda dull, and Batman is just fucking dumb it’s literally more of Snyder’s same bullshit but somehow even more retarded
>>150676138Oh completely forgot Green Lantern it’s garbage
>>150661496>Oh no, I'm the Lex of another universe.Who's your Superman? Mine's John Cena.
>>150657440>>150657630Honestly, this Lex scares me more than the original.Also, a red-haired Lex? Now that's scary.
>>150646433>no one likes FlashIs legit the only one that actually feels like the comics I used to read in high school.
Can someone explain to me why there's no Absolute Aquaman?
>>150676452Because Darkseid can't make Aquaman. The Blue is the opposite of The Omega Effect. Aquaman is going to win DC KO and become the force that opposes Darkseid.
>>150676452They don't need to show every hero all at once.
>>150676509Is weird because the entire thing seems to show a Darkseid-twisted JL
>>150676452Even Darkseid thinks Aquaman is lame.
>>150650239I said normal-ish. He is just a usual morally bankrupt billionaire, not an insane supervillain like the rest of the group
>>150675445Heh
>>150664409Neat
>>150676452Because the first and second slate of ongoings are with the heroes that they thought could maintain an ongoing. Remember Abs was originally a gamble, DC didn't think it'd blow up like this. Green Arrow and Aquaman and MM are third and fourth tier below Flash and GL. And MM was originally a mini like Abs GA is going to be and Hawkman is probably not going to have his own ongoing given Abs Evil. So the ones below the main 5 don't seem to be a priority.
>>150657752Roy Arrow incoming
>>150662131>he thinks Hal is evilHe clearly has an aspect of The Great Darkness that's necessary to fight Darkseid. He just needs to take control of his emotions.
>>150670767>all the heroes are struggling against Causality
>>150676231Hasn't he always been a red head? Or at least he's been one before - I remember him getting a clone body and having a full head of red hair and a red beard.
>>150677019>necessaryDebatable. Abin Sur wans't planning on recruiting any Qard, only Rao/Sur/Aur. Even the flame scene made it sound like that being on the black level of light is something you have to repent for.
>>150672298Miles being brought in to make everyone interact instead of it happening organically was what killed it for me
>>150676452His current title is already tied to it.
>>150671390Not anymore.RIP Harlan, you cantankerous genius fuck.
>>150670859Absolute Owlman
>>150677872Sinestro is also considered an Abin Aur, which the Oans interpreted as the highest form of enlightenment. Therefore, the idea that the colors are strictly tied to good (Aur) and evil (Qard) is likely wrong.From the context of the story we have with each of the characters having one of the colors with Guy (Rao), John (Aur), Jo (Sur) and Hal (Qard), I think it's likely the wielders of the four colors are suppose to come together to overcome the Blackstars and Hammond.
>>150657630>Lex is DC's Ultimate Spider-ManKINO
>>150668308Doma Lux is that you?
>>150675397In a sense that kind of means that Darkseid hasn't just acquired the Anti-Life Equation, he's effectively become it in a sense. An unholy truth that shatters the minds of those who know.So much so that Anti-Life is now a lesser threat as the White Martian.
>>150678947It's pointed out explicitly when John first starts waxing philosophical about the levels that Oa's way isn't the only way it's seen. And then with Sinistero's reveal, if it's to be trusted, as being the only high level Gold wielder who then wrapped back around to Black, and with Tomar Re showing up and also explicitly being an agent outside Oa's established line of ascension, it definitely looks like we're immediately confronted with the idea that there's no particular reason it has to be Black to Red to Green to Gold or even the reverse. It's just what those building their societies around them figured was true to them.
>>150678947>the idea that the colors are strictly tied to good (Aur) and evil (Qard) is likely wrongThere are some constants though, and Qard being chaotic is one of them. Hal shooting Abin Sur was chaotic action that branded him Black. The only other person whose actions were judged chaotic, Abin Sur actually killed on the spot. So to Oa at least chaos might be inherently evil and dangerous enough to warrant shoot on sight.I have no idea why Abin Sur made that gamble with Hal. Creating a Qard and hooking him up with Oa sounds like a super fucking reckless thing to do when it took Mogo about five seconds to notice him, form a mental link, and totally jam their attempts at communication.>>150679300The issue here is that regardless of perspective, John and Sinestro are saying the same thing. Qard is a screw objective morality, might makes right kind of deal. To the Blackstars this is rational, he who has the power decides what's right or wrong. From the opposing perspective where morality is fixed, this makes Qard's actions chaotic, and that's an inherent quality. Even if Hal turned the Black light against the Blackstars, he would still be playing by their moral values.
>>150676452He probably exists since Atlantis is also in the Absolute universe. He just hasn't shown up/has no reason to show up
>>150678654Who's that gonna be? Is Oswald gonna subvert our expectations and instead of becoming an Absolute Penguin sells his soul to Joker Umbrella so they can undo Bane reverse-Handsome Squidward-ing him?
>>150646439The fact that even comics YouTube barely talks about the Ultimate books
>>150646675It's literally Cute and Funny threads, that's what the X-Men have been reduced to
>>150668308Batman having a Harley and Joker having a Robin is pretty clever. In this universe Batman is the agent of chaos, and Joker the one who brings order
>>150647155>Da Costa is in Ultimate Incursion and he'll probably die there if we're being real, South America is irrelevant, Da Costa and Duggary only matter due to the parts of the United States they holdWorse, based on Previews he's getting fed to Miles in the next Incursion issue, honestly barring Hulk the Council has been a massive joke
>>150657952>>150657915I have the same issue here as I do with the Ultimate line over at marvel. Can an alternate universe line just not be an alternate universe line? Old Ultimate did it. MC2 did it. There are countless other alternate continuity lines. I'm sure they all think they have a nice clever payoff planned but whenever that drops we're gonna be back to square one.
>>150681181I mean with Absolute it isn't as apparent
>>150681751Ultimate almost has the opposite problem. It, like Absolute, is at its most interesting when it takes more wild swerves from the established "brand" of the characters. But unlike the classic (god fucking save me) Ultimate Universe which could just be some twisted version on its own, the new one is more beholden to an in universe explanation for most of its weirdnesses, even when that can't possibly explain all of them anyway. Nothing about what's going on in UXM has any origin in the Maker's nonsense, except for it being run by a dictator in a mask. I doubt the Maker did a bunch of time travel to ensure the X-Men all have Japanese school girl versions. But then we have stuff like Spider-Man and Captain America, who are basically the exact same familiar archetypes but their timelines fucked with a bit. You have Doom, which is a way more twisted version of the base character (from both ends, really), and he was directly born from the Maker taking a sustained hammer to his story. Most of the changes aren't really like that.So the current Ultimate universe is caught between the parts that are different just because they are, the parts that are slightly different cause of time fuckery, and the parts that are REALLY different because of time fuckery. Unfortunately, the universe seems to default to the second situation, resulting in a setting that is so familiar that when the weird parts of it crop up, it all begins to feel a bit incongruous.Meanwhile, in Absolute, the inciting incident is so much more fundamental to the universe it blows past this problem. Since Darkseid made an entire universe that operates on his will like some kind of evil clockmaker, you can just have a universe where everything is twisted and not directly related to a single guy fucking around. Because the single guy fucking around rewrote the laws of physics to make Evil a universal law. You don't need to account for a guy directly intervening to make everything fucked.
Absolute Batman is literally>what if we took everything from Miller's Year One and The Dark Knight Rises and made it somehow even shittier and worse
>>150681935It's just idiotic
>>1506819682000AD Batman, but for teenagers. Not that 2000AD wasn't for teenagers, but 2000AD has more adult appeal.
>>150681968It's carried by hype
>>150646433You think AMM is bland? How old are you that you read comics like a boomer but have the interests of a tween?
So how is Snyder going to ruin Robin/Dick?
>>150682390I don't really see the 2000AD influence for Absolute Batman. Dragotta, as an artist is way more inspired by Manga series like Akira or Baki.
>>150681935This is why you do what I did
>>150682454Absolute Batman is only 24 years old, he's a working class kid fresh out of college himself so I don't think we'll see a proper Robin since he's nowhere near old and matured enough to have that sort of mentor role yet, and his supporting cast is a bunch of other street kids he grew up with as childhood friends so there's even less demand for a Robin, especially since his mom is still alive. We might see an Absolute Nightwing but I don't see him being the adopted son of Bruce Wayne, there's just not really room for that kind of story yet
>>150646433WW is literally the best
>>150682662Dick is already an adult and working as an EMT. Snyder already said he, or at least some Robin I guess, is going to join Joker since Harley is going to join Batman. Nightwing doesn't make sense as you don't have any Superman connection to create the name. Robin is a name Dick came up with himself.
>>150682852onions
>>150682662I like that one pitch someone had where Robin is a solo hero
>>150682626Manga niggas are into 2000AD. Fun fact, Heavy Metal brought manga to the West.
>>150682968Robin being a solo hero as a way to introduce where the Titans character are would be the best probably. The Teen Titans cartoon showed you don't need Batman there with Robin.
>>150646382Batman / Wonder Woman are the best onesthe rest are just stuck in endless set upMM was good but hard carried by the art
>>150646382Kind of surprised they didn't go with Kyle for AbGreen Lantern but his regular origin is kind of "Absolute" already since it was about all GLs dying and him being the last of the intergalactic peace keepers
>>150682859>since Harley is going to join BatmanIt sucked in White Knight, why is he doing it here
>>150668308>Even in an alternate universe Harley Quinn can't look like a Jester
>>150675300What do you think Ollie means by this?
>>150675397Well shitIf Morrison wasn't spiritually broken I'd say get them involved
>>150683422Genuinely excited for their crossover issue
>>150681935There's zero cohesion, it's been brought up before but UXM genuinely feel like it was a pitch Peach had for a solo setting that got rolled in at the last minute
>>150646382Nothing. This universe sucks almost as much as the mainline.
>>150679161I love this shit
>>150683557Because Harley is DC's 4th pillar.
>>150646382What if absolute condiment king will be a gus fring figure who uses a restaurant chain for money laundering?
>>150653575Considering Mortal Thor he's clearly just phoning in venom
>>150681935It feels like an Alternate Universe Event. Like Age of the Apocalypse. If it wasn't for the real time 1 issue a month shit we could probably compress things to make this a big summer event and have it be done in half a year.
>>150683422This has been Absolute Green Lantern’s worst drawback for me. You could’ve condensed the first 3 issues into like 3 pages. They have some interesting ideas tho, so I’m just waiting out the set up
Now that the Ultimate and Absolute universe are both a hit.WHAT THE HELL WENT SO FUCKING WRONG WITH THE MAINLINE COMICS?
>>150686069That's a lot of comics. Decompression is one of the worst things to happen since the CCA.
>>150683810The original leftist Boomers grew up and realized that the fantasy American they'd been sold as kids in the 50s was wrong. Ironically, they still believed it was achievable, but had no idea that the main thing fueling the "moral decay" was the same thing that would make that dream come true: When your culture is at the top, no one can tell you "no".
>>150686248Editorial
>>150675271What I'm interested in is what specifically the Green Martian is. He/It/They're something separate from Darkseid's design, because he recognizes that everything wrong with the universe comes from him. If they Green Martian was part of the Absolute Universe, it would never occur to him that what Darkseid is doing is "wrong" to begin with.
>>150675445>when you cry out as the superposition collapses, it is DARKSEID that you see!
>>150679161He finally fulfilled the hype essentially.
>>150686948Going theory is that the Green Martian is an embodiment of Life and the White Martian is an embodiment of Anti-Life.
>>150686248>WHAT THE HELL WENT SO FUCKING WRONG WITH THE MAINLINE COMICS?Comic events. Which is also why the Miles Morales event/crossover in Ultimates is the worst book of the new line so far.The Absolute team is at least aware they want characters to crossover in each others books at some point, see the upcoming Batman and Wonder Woman crossover, but also don't want a big event yet.But I fully expect in a year or so we'll get hit with the main universe coming a knocking for a crossover event that's gonna leave everything feeling like a mess after
>>150687125Yes, after DC K.O. most of the crossover comics will probably be revealed, as long as it's not as bad as Ultimate Incursion what the fuck were they thinking, it managed to not only be as bad as Ultimate Wolverine, but also fuck up the timeline of other comics with "Miles' trip around the universe" I'm fine with it as it was expected to crossover anyway.however I still prefer the Absolute/Ultimate Universe to be mostly independent, the idea of a comic that you start reading at #1 and thaat stays in a view of a select author is the way to have the "consistency" of a manga artist/writer, one of the biggest problems of comics ("This character is my mouthpiece!")
I kind of want to see pic related but with Absolute Batman and Joker
>>150687462I'm curious to see if Scott Snyder will have the courage to go full Beserk On batman's gf/mom
>>150685372It honestly makes me wonder if the original plan was for it to "end" once the Maker was dealt with
>>150687523Isn't Absolute Batman rated T?He tried getting Batman to say a covered swear word and couldn't get that past editorial
>>150687611With "Ultimate Endgame" it truly seems like it, however since the new Ultimate Universe became a best seller we can expect for Marvel to milk it dry until it dies incursion was probably just a tasteWith Hickman leaving Spider after issue 24 and Endgame expect a even worse nosedive in quality, even more so if Denis Camp leaves tooAlso if the rumors of Bendis coming back to Marvel are true, get ready for him writing Ultimate Spider
>>150687819Bendis coming back is a hilarious monkey's paw for all the people who kept wishing Millar wouldn't come back after he seemed to have teased it
>>150687761Yeah Absolute Batman swears a lot but gets censored, however i have no idea how this fucking death got past itI feel like most Absolute books should be "black label", after all it is supposed to be a no holds barred universe
>>150687819>even more so if Denis Camp leaves tooCamp has been shit on Ultimates so far.
>>150688254Nah, only the last issue was really bad as it was a waste of pages since the whole plot could have been told in 4-5 panels, but I admit the quality has gotten worse since the Doom and Hulk issues.
>>150688141I think it's cause they want to leave room for this world to be sellable to kids if it ever gets adapted but Joker was in Mortal Kombat, James Gunn makes R Rated DC stuff, and there are plenty of animated DC films with reviews left by horrified soccer momsOh wait I just remembered this was a thing
>>150688454that whole thing was retarded then and it's still retarded todayi'd really rather they just retconned it out of existence the same way it was retconned in
>>150670290>>150674968James Gunn has openly tried to get normalfag viewers into comics or at least acts like thatIf he cockblocks an Absolute animated series/anthology/whatever despite the outreach it has as a gateway to comics he'd be a hypocrite
>>150688454Rape is rarely done well and it's unnecessary in Absolute comics. Jubal Slade being an Epstein is as far as it needs to go. Having someone fridged via rape is just going to exist for shallow shock value.
>>150689007Tits or GTFO.
>>150689007>Rape is rarely done wellThat implies you know examples that are rape done wellcare to share?
>>150688141JFC this might be the most horrific death I've seen in a long time
>>150687044Honestly, if I were in this situation I'd just be "What the fuck are you talking about"
>>150689007Yeah I guess. It depends on what kind of tone they’re going for. It could be used to paint Gotham as a real shithole, unless they want to keep the book kid friendly. It’s funny how as a society we’re ok with kids watching over the top violence and gore, but the mere suggestion of rape is taboo
>>150667519>Ultimate Omega Red is Ultimate Shocker-level joke of a character>Maker gives him a chance to not be a jobbing little bitch>he still fucking sucks and is the first of the Council to dieThere's something incredibly amusing about this and I don't think it's intentional on writers' part.
>>150672384>some pathetic loserWomen really can write only one type of a villain, huh.
>try Martian Manhunter after all the glazing>it's pretty much "I desperately want to be Millugan/McCarthy": the book, just with zero charm because Camp is an awful writer
>>150689349There was this one Dredd comic where they rescue a female Judge whose ship went down in the atomic wasteland. She'd been captured by the mad max rejects and either explicitly or obviously implicitly, had been kept alive to be raped the entire time.And like a good Judge, as soon as they get her free, she's up and ready to kick ass without a single indication any of this has affected her. Now, this is basically a cop out cause it's "done well" by basically not being done in any of the recognizable ways, but it does create an effect quick characterization by showing how hard Judges are, even this one of side character. And, to be clear, it's not exactly highlighted either. There's not some big deal made about this, either what was done to her or her showing no effect from it emotionally. Just another day for a Judge.
>>150689820>Millugan/McCarthyWhat good books did they make?
>>150689820>>try Martian Manhunter after all the glazingWhy do comic book fans always listen to too much hype and then let unrealistic expectations ruin things for them
>>150688141They have the annual coming out this month, and then the Ark-m special, the one shots should definitely just be black label, maybe do them bi monthly so they can get their own trade line.
>>150689475Male villain who isn't a vindictive loser failed male scares them too much.
>>150690044I never got into Dredd comics, but I've always wondered where do all the corrupt or otherwise unfit for duty Judges go. Prison? Executed on the spot? And where do all the recruits com from too, for that matter.
>>150689349The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Things Behind the Sun, and The Accused.
>>150672384>woman writes an incel>protags are schoolgirlsWow
>>150690432>The Girl with the Dragon TattooAre you kidding? It's a corny as fuck feminist revenge fantasy pretending to be a serious thriller. Truly embarrassing shit.At least something like I Spit On Your Grave knows it's schlock.
>>150689349>That implies you know examples that are rape done wellthe given comparison is literally Berserk where it's a major moment of the Eclipse and Griffith's betrayal; especially given Griffith is basically raping casca to vent his conflicted feelings for Guts, despite her being the one fucked it's not actually about her, Griffith's really doing it for Guts (and yes that's as homoerotic as it sounds)
>Scott Snyder writes a book inspired by all the things his sons like>It becomes the most popular Batman comic in ages
>>150690479his son has good taste
>>150690399Into the Cubes with the other creeps. I only read some of the early years progs regularly, but a semi-early story involved a Judge going nuts and taking over Mega-City. Think they just executed him.
>>150690471To be fair, it's partially about Casca too, even if it's more about how Guts has supplanted Griffith in Casca's emotions. He also had a delusional dream before this of him and Casca being together in some "what if" fantasy as part of his mental break down to sacrificing everyone to become a leader again. She represents a feminine dependence on him and force in his life, and his fantasy is of a humble domestic life he could have had if he'd only not sacrificed his better nature for his dream.But yes, it's clear he's not actually after Casca in it of herself, just as her own person. It comes back to Guts either way.
I wonder what their dynamic will be like.
>>150690780>Superman is an emo, cynical, but good at heart hero who desperately wants everything to be better>Lex is a chipper and optimistic villain who won't care about grinding everyone down underneath his boot with a friendly smile
>>150683000>Manga niggas are into 2000AD.Are they?Do you have any examples?
>>150683000Dude......who the fuck reads 2000 AD these days?
>>150683000Where do 2000 AD fans go?I've seen more people into decades old capeshit on Twitter and their presence on LOCG is only starting to show after a couple of guys started to make the issue database for it actually usable
>>150690399They get sent to prison on Titan, where they are equipped with ugly and invasive implants to survive
>>150691081no were really, as the American release of Progs is at minimum a month behind the UK/Digital release, and America's perception will always drive Online discourse
>>150691069Old people and british people.
>>150690874Yeesh
>>150667302Make it bigger
>>150689427I think it's a consequence of them not having enough time to dedicate to building villains up, again highlighting that the time skipping was a bad idea
>>150690780>filenameKek
>>150675271>That's not communism, that's GnosticismGnosticism is how communists would react to learning there's undeniable proof of a god, isn't it? We need to kill him and spread the god power among ourselves
>>150676452>>150680393I like the idea that absolute atlantis isn't as advanced as mainline atlantis, so aquaman is an actual fish person who looks like he'd barely be able to live on the land
>>150692099Nigga that ain’t what Gnosticism is. That’s what the Christian church did by making themselves the only authority on god. Gnostics believe that we exist in a matrix basically, created by the Demiurge. To escape we need to seek absolute knowledge and ascend to the realm where the real God resides
>>150692129t. Aaron Diaz
>>150692099Gnosticism was made way before communism.
