Absolute fucking legend he is.BTW, the new episode is out 12 hours ago
>>150774762I figured Fatigue would be.
>>150774762SMASHING
Poor girl. Her world was turned upside down many times that night.
So... Matilda is a Red Talon.That's... bad.
What was up with the little imp dude everyone yelled at?
So are these Stolen Moon guys the werewolf equivalent of the Tremere?
>>150775073Honestly she is SHOCKINGLY well-adjusted and patient for a Red Talon.
>black>dreadlocks>tattoos>kinda dogfaced>is somehow best girlHow did they do it?
>>150775100To the point that it kinda feels like an asspull. Why the actual fuck did a multi-tribe group of garou send the red fucking talon to be their undercover agent? There's also the fact that she was very obviously holding back against the hunters instead of taking her free license to kill them all and running with it.They're smart enough that they wouldn't just use that tribe without intention so I'm curious on the specifics as to why she is the way she is. Hopefully the next audiolog is markus pestering Matilda in the umbra.
>>150775074You mean Togo? He's a piece of shit, fuck that retard.
>>150775119>>150775100>>150775073Could it be a brand or something rather than an identifying mark? She really doesn't fit the Red Talon MO.
>>150774898Oh, nevermind, she can be Glass Walker RT-wannabe fangirl
>>150775115Her competition is>an ultra weeb>a fattie>vampires>a drugged up Pentex flunkyIt is not a tough competition.
>>150774898>>150774762Is this a visual novel or a game or something?Kinda confused because one anon says "episode", the other posts a pic of a VN game
>>150775154It's an "audiolog", basically sub-episode in form of podcast.
>>150775074It was hard to tell with all the bad audio-balance on the crosstalk for that scene, but I think D said something along the lines of "I banish you back to the fifth dimension!" So clearly Togo is some kind of Mxyzptlk/Batmite archetype who regularly bothers the Chapter House in general (considering Amanda got pissed at his sudden arrival too).
>>150775151Nah mate you forgot he former co-worker
>>150775119The whole thing in general is really strange. I think the Arcanum in itself wasn't Matilda and her pack's goal. They're more likely focused on Pentex; we know for a fact that they're active in the area AND colluding with the Camarilla. The Hunter data presumably includes any given Hunter's target of choice, perhaps even data on their recent quarry. This would be tremendous in getting a lead on what the vampires are doing, where they are, and how they may be tied to Pentex.Marcus was likely snatched so they can interrogate him directly for any info he has on the vampires' activity, and also as a bargaining chip if the Arcanum has a backup of the data. This would also explain why she was relatively restrained in her approach; the humans are more useful alive.
>>150775206I dunno, she did win over /co/.
>>150775100Yeah it's weird. Very very weird. Her being a Lupus made perfect sense due to her hand writing but a red tallon is really strange. She seems more allied to the bone gnawers with how she hates the rich folk of the house but was friends with Amanda and didn't sperg out at kitten. I guess she didn't agree with the red tallons or due to England haveing no remaining wolf population in Htp due to it haveing it's own canon the red tallons are a bit more well adjusted at least in the UK. Makes me wonder how a the red tallons would survive in England with our little Forests and no wild wolfs. It also has made me realise Matilda is probably quite young. Like probably 20 years old max due to her reaching adulthood in wolf form in two years. Hell she might even be 4 years old. That would be fucking weird.
>>150775190>5th Dimensional Imps and entities of the Deep Umbra shitposting at each other
>>150775227>>150775119The easiest explanation for me is that the mostly-unseen multi-tribe Garou group is about as competent and well-organised as the Licks are.And it's suddenly dawning on me that the family is NOT running into average oWoD ready-made NPCs and organisations. It's running into gangs of PLAYER CHARACTERS.
>>150775242>Player charactersOh jesus. That's terrifying.
>>150775115She's confused and scared. Like a normal person would be but she fights through her fear. She's got the heart of a hunter and that's why she's interesting to watch. I do wanna hug her though. She's had a real day of it.
>>150774898I'd turn her insides upside down, if you catch my meaning.
>>150775206hot stuff
>>150775093I guess? I think I missed the write up about them in the WtA book.
>>150774762I didn't like Wayda or that whole bit. Like, she had heard kid stolen, just found them alive, and she is still acting as cold dispensing the guilt on Fatigue who is completely innocent.
>>150775138It has to be aggravated damage but she definitely cannot be a Red Talon, and the retard in the writing room pushing for it needs to be lobotomized. She is a Gnawer to a T.
>>150775212The woofs were looking for data on Black Shulk since his appearance coincides with the Final Nights of werewolf. Final Nights shouldn’t matter since HtP takes place in 2006. Ogre Poppenang is on record they are blending oWoD and nWoD to fit the story they want to tell. This leaves much to be desired because the scale of the setting has just skyrocketed from Tremere vampire and diablerie to Wyrm taint, Pentex, and the Umbra for literally no good reason.
>D casually admits he fucked a werewolf.>Also casually alluded to he may have also fucked a werecat.The absolute madman.
>>150775623White imperialism badWhite guilt good
>>150775212Nah, Markus was snatched for his assumed knowledge of werewolf lore. Given the extent that the Arcanum had, the pack likely wanted to get a hold of it or any other data they could get their hands on. They're just stupid in thinking that any Arcanum member would be privy to the info that was squirreled away in the stash.
>>150775623It would have been a lot better if most of the kids were dead or all but hers as she was taken last. REALLY lay on the guilt on Fatigue who's only crime is trusting his father that if he had just done something he could have saved the kids. Them all being alive makes no sense logically ether they were all babies right so who the fuck was caring for like 20 babies.
>>150775659If Wernon had discovered that the native werewolf killed off the Gangrel and was trying to protect this tribe from foreign invaders trying to desecrate the land’s natural resources, then it would make sense he would betray the Arcanum to Garou because he would think the Garou are doing the right thing. Having Wernon feel shame and an obligation to the Nails of Christ is pure mental gymnastics.
>>150775073Maybe she’s a wild card.
>>150775632There's more to Matilda that we don't know. She could have been born a talon and just agreed with the bones more could be a bone larper could just be a weird coincidence that a battle scar looks like the talons mark. I'm not gonna get mad until the story confirms exactly what she is D isn't always correct.
Is The Wyrm almost got them?
>>150775718They went down the Black Spiral after D baited them with knowledge he pretended to not have that they weren’t ready for, then did the lore equivalent of a trauma dump, then beat the shit out of them for getting suicidal over knowledge they did ask for and then delivering extraneous information that could only upset them.He’s our hero, by the way.
>>150775752How many times did Fatigue whisper that into Occam’s ear to turn the guy into a faggot?
>Growth>Endless growth>Like what the guy at the other 99p store was ranting aboutDamn, Mr. Palmer wasn't kidding about Kevin's former employer being on the same team as the fucking Wyrm.>>150775752Hehe, penis.
>>150775623I liked her until she guilt-tripped Wernon for what his family did but he had no part of (and outright refused when he finally knew despite the gruesome consequences that would likely come from it). That ruined her for me.I would've preferred if she didn't and just tried to send Wernon home, but Wernon himself felt so guilty he asked to stay with them, or >>150775659 where her outburst was riding on the back of finding a lot of dead children
>>150775804bro he didnt even know how to pronounce kinaray-ahe deserved getting verbally bitchslapped like the english whore he is
Wayda was clearly sociopathic and manipulative, but you must also consider pic related.
>>150775623>>150775652I also rankled a bit about this, but as a specific example it is ok as it was well executed.i do not know if it is the american or the swedish guilt coming through. But it makes sense in a wod contect, for a moment I expected the fatigues to be white howler/black spiral dancer kinfolk. It all rests on the "Big Hunter Org" bad idea they push in V5. Which isnt that bad ...BUT VIGIL IS BETTER!
>>150775647>Lion EL Johnson
>>150775906The Dark Angels are gay—OH NO HE’S A GET OF FENRIS
>>150775727Exposing and inculcating them against the wyrm in a relatively safe environment is better than doing so during a hunt.
>>150775920D is a retard and his team nearly jobbed to a 10th gen Nosferatu. There is literally nothing either of them could do against a werewolf and pushing them into a fight they now mistakenly think they have a chance against is pure psychopathy.
>>150775906Does that make Vulkan Mokolé?
>>150775906I bet he's weirdly paranoid about Histpah for some reason.
>>150775934We've Established that Pytor was a Vampire PC who really hated his LARP group.
>>150775934What the fuck are you talking about?Did you reply to the wrong person?
>>150775944You’re too stupid for this discussion, sit down and shut up.
>>150775936I'm not sure.He might be a Mummy, that's the only alternative to him being connected to THE ANCIENT KINGDOMS OF THE LIZARD KINGS!
>>150775100Maybe she's hanging with the Glass Walkers because she didn't turn out unga bunga retarded enough to fit in with the rest of the Red Talons.
>>150775950>Dude was talking about D taught the fledglings how to throw off the influence of the wyrm in a non-life-or-death situation>You roll up and start yapping about Pyotr and Garou in a total non-sequitur.No.Fuck off with your deflection you spaz.Explain yourself.
>>150775623>>150775659>>150775804>>150775895Oh good so I'm not the only one that got a foul taste in their mouth from the ending.>>150775804Yeah, that would've been a much better ending. I agree that the lecture from the Philipino woman came out of no where and she unreasonably blamed Wernon for everything despite it being all Kronik's fault. For all intents and purposes the Nails got what they wanted and justice had been done. Kronik was dead and the children were returned. It would've made more sense if Wernon himself felt sorry for the orphans and the trouble Kronik caused and decided to help the Nails out on his own accord rather than being effectively forced into it. I'm also surprised Wernon didn't flat out say that "He was a Scholar" when questioned why he was on the expedition. This and also Wernon's embezzlement would've also reinforced the point or that the Arcanum can't sit on the sidelines much longer. Which was part of what Wernon was trying to tell Occam in his final message.
>>150775969Okay, moron. If the D Squad could barely hold off a 10th gen Nossie then no amount of safe space anti-spiral BELIEVE IN THE YOU THAT BELIEVES IN YOURSELF pep talking is going to spare them from a Red Talon, a Bane, or a doped-up Pentex mercenary. The entire event was meaningless and only further cements how inhuman our “human” hunter D is.
>>150775993> Your preparations won't help> You shouldn't even tryIgnoring how fucking pathetic you sound...D has *repeatedly* told kitten that he is not able to fight lycans, and that dealing with the supernatural forces other than Blanks is almost incomprehensibly beyond his current skill level.You're not even misinterpreting the content, you're actively lying in order to justify throw your embarrassing bitchfit.
>>150776036So if they aren’t ready to fight lycans, what was the point of spending 2 1/2 hours learning about lycans from them? Wouldn’t learning about lycans from, I dunno, MATILDA made more narrative sense?
>>150775818>like the english whoreShut up dumb filip>>150775971If the expedition party had actually mistreated her I would've accepted her anger as making since in-character, but as it is it does feel like a soapbox spiel about >muh colonisation awkwardly forced into the narrative.
>>150776061Is that what this is about?You're cranky that you didn't get a video with your waifu in it?
>>150776082No, I’m cranky because a series I like is showing signs of self-indulgence and losing the plot.
>>150775100There ARE Talons who disagree enough with the wider tribe to leave it, so that's probably what Matilda is.
>>150776075I hope this weird soap box thing is just a one off and it wont happen again. It sucks as colonalism bad is such an easy message to add in without it feeling shoe horned T_TI just hope it dosnt happen again. I dont mind a message in the stuff I enjoy I just want it to be added with care for the topic and the plot.
>>150775818This.
>>150776082It's the same retard sperging and saying stupid shit like:>>>/tg/96730217>>You weren’t ever going to agree with me because you hate me on an instinctual level. I don’t hate you, because you don’t know any better. You hate me because you can’t stand being wrong. Unfortunately, that’s not going to change, sonny.In the /tg/ WoD general because he's seething over Wernon getting called out and D merely existing. Just ignore it.
>>150776148I still don’t hate you because you don’t know any better, just as I don’t hate Wernon for not knowing any better.
>>150776061What an utterly bizarre complaint.They are learning about Lycans because their close comrade was just taken by Lycans.Even if the prospect of fighting them is an astonishingly bad idea, they are still going to try to rescue Marcus - because of course they are - and given there is a good chance that that operation could turn violent preparedness is a necessity.Under these circumstances, it is natural that they'd try to seek intel about Matilda and Lycans in general.
>>150776168Hear me out: What if Magnus finally had the chance to have someone lore dump on him, he slowly starts to realize that what he thinks he wants is actually terrible, he begins to spiral in the Umbra, and then awakened as a mage in response to his experiences?
>>150776148He's just trolling anon, let him be.
>>150776186that wouldve sucked donkey balls you stupid ape
>>150776148Getting annoyed at people calling out Wernon I understand.Dude did literally nothing wrong except be the heir of a wyrm-corrupted imperialist.Spent his entire life trying to 'atone' for the original sin he believed he inherited.People trying to 'call out' this character are just being shitheels.As for the D hate.D is a reckless and flawed character, but in my opinion his positive qualities far outweigh the negatives.Calling him a psychopath however is patently ridiculous.
>>150776186Marckus has zero means to learn any relevant knowledge from a Matilda in crinos form and I doubt Matilda knows that much herself that she could give him any hard details.>he begins to spiral in the Umbra,They would literally both die. >>150776198Don't say that. That's an insult to Apeboy.
>>150776205You are being reductive and that leads me to believe you don’t actually want to discuss anything. Have a good morning and an excellent start to your weekend.
>>150776200what would you call an adult that regularly gives a kid ayahuasca then
>>150776186That would have been cool anon.I hope we get an audiolog like that soon.But the existence of the most recent log does not preclude your desired video from happening.
>>150776226Liberal. at best.Grossly irresponsible, at worst.Not psychopathic.
>>150776229The recent log went on way too long. Wernon’s recordings are 9/10 and excellent voice work and storytelling. If it had only been those it would be fine. Having D know things he absolutely shouldn’t is incredibly annoying because SpeakerD is turning from This Guy into That Guy in real time.
>>150776241ok liberal
>>150776247>Having D know things he absolutely shouldn’t D is potentially older than some archmasters depending on what sort of Mummy he turns out to be. Why the fuck WOULDN'T he know a lot?
>>150776260Because I don’t want him to, because having an active Level 100 immortal in a party of Level 5 initiates is stupid, because rapidly expanding the setting without even closing a single plot thread is stupid, because all of that knowledge is just the writer masturbating about how good they are at reading the White Wolf wiki since the references are irrelevant, and so on. Why do you even bother asking me these questions? Your opinion is as irrelevant to me as mine is to yours and the entire writing staff.
>>150776125Yeah, pretty much my thoughts. I don't mind a BIT of "there are other cultures, they are not side characters" in oWoD of all things since it tried (very, very clumsily. Although I do find Kindred of the East hilarious, it's like the The 36th Chamber of Shaolin of TTRPGs) to do that from time to time. I just hope they'll take this as a W to get out their little message about a conflict most of their viewership probably doesn't know well, and move back to hunting.>>150776186Personally I'd find it funny if Harry's the one who becomes a mage while his dumb chuuni friends constantly pester him about how REAL magic works.
>>150776200This. Muh nigga Wernon did nothing wrong. Dude just wanted to research werewolves.
>>150775093Not really a proper Garou group, just a bunch of humans that become werewolves through unorthodox methods, they're usually Garou enemies and just doing that to even the playing field.
>>150776293Nta but personally I think it makes sense in-character for the angry filipino woman to not necessarily have complete trust in Wernon after being mostly undercover, the issue is really the story bending around to absolve her of having done anything wrong by continuously blaming him for his father's misdeeds because>colonialism>(and also werewolf organ harvesting)
>>150776318Colonialism can be done well in WoD if the writer is good.>t. wrote a scenario where a group of hunters try to evacuate Rhodesia and end up hunted by an entire African village were vampires because a Belgian Ventrue tried to enslave it in the 19th century only to end up diablerized by the people he dominated
>>150776247I kinda wonder if it might have been better if Occam was there in place of D, or if it was just Kitten and Amanda
>>150776348I’m not sure. Do you really think Occam should have been the one to listen to the recordings left by Fatigue for Occam? Seems like clumsy writing desu
Someone draw Matilda as a footbro.
>>150776302>Skin-dancingIt wouldn't even necessarily be that bad of a practice, if not for the fact that it opens you up to wyrm corruption.Many Garou are ultraviolent, barbaric lunatics that worsen every situation they involve themselves with.Killing the most irredeemably monstrous individuals within their ranks then having a hunter focus their bestial potential intelligently could unironically be a tremendous force for good.Could.Again, wyrm corruption renders any attempt pure folly.
>>150776367blursed
>>150775971>>150776075>>150776125I believe its due to how new hunter has the nails of christ be about fighting against blah blah privilege. I do not blame the boys, it is just the spirit of the age.
>>150776075The expedition party kidnapped her kid and massacred an entire village.
>>150775934A hunter with a strong sense of self preservation wouldn't get into hunting, you have to have little regard for your own life to try to hunt humanity's predators over hiding.
>>150776403From my perspective the expedition relocated the villagers’ children to safety and retaliated against a village that tried to blow them all up with explosives which killed most of the expedition’s crew and was harboring a werewolf. Funny how the “Wyrm-tainted Kronik” spare innocent lambs while Wayda was quick to jump in on the white slavery trade, innit guv?
>>150776424I'm so sorry, it must be hard going through life being both blind and deaf.
>>150776438I accept your apology.
>>150776424> expedition relocated the villagers’ children to safetyIt seemed to be more like a 'stolen generation' situation.They even killed a few of the kids parents.Its not made clear why. If it was just for shits and giggles or if there was an actual point to those specific killings.>Retaliated against a village that tried to blow them all up with explosives which killed most of the expedition’s crewWernon's dad was pretty justified hereEveryone seems to gloss over the entire camp of sick, dying, and exhausted researchers and laborers who were blown to hell because they were being unwittingly led by Skin-dancers.That is: Assuming he knew about their cooperation with the insurrectionists and lycans and didn't just slaughter them because they snubbed him earlier.
>>150776487It was common for colonials since the Conquistadors in the Americas to purge adults and spare the children to indoctrinate the kids with “proper learning”. The children are presumed to be innocent but tainted by the Sin of Adam and need to receive the Word of God and be baptized to save their souls. Adults are usually given a single chance to be baptized, and usually just refuse which results in their deaths. This highly effective conversion tactic stopped happening one reason or another after another few centuries…
>>150775206Mommy...
>>150776397I hold the boys accountable to the extent that they acknowledge the spirit of the age at all, that said I am also more forgiving of them than I would be for most content creators because they've quite clearly demonstrated they actually do give a shit about the source material beyond clout chasing. >>150776403And she herself acknowledges Wernon was a dumb kid in the midst of it all. Again, I have no issue with the character being fucking pissed at all the white people stealing her children and kinsman's organs. My issue is with how the STORY gives her a free pass to vent despite poor Wernon being kept in the dark and rejecting the whole thing while leaving him to just take all the guilt.>>150776487>Everyone seems to gloss over the entire camp of sick, dying, and exhausted researchers and laborers who were blown to hell because they were being unwittingly led by Skin-dancers.Yeah this is another instance of how the story pushing a message kind of overlooked the consequences. Indoctrination should be called what it is, not portrayed as inherently righteous.
>>150775647That's a thing in lore?, does interspecies really that common in the franchise?
>>150775100Some of them don't hate all humans, most of the time. The fact that she's the least violent of her pack is hilarious though, our girl is better adjusted than some Children of Gaia.
>>150776547How do you think new werewolves get made?
>>150776547Werewolf the Apocalypse is basically built on a foundation of thinly-veiled interspecies fetish posting.
>>150776559when mommy werewolf loves daddy werewolf she takes the knot?
>>150776559>>150776563I know, but it's like werewolves men raped humans right?
>>150776569*female
>>150776553There are three sub-factions within their tribe as I understand it.One want to implement the final solution on all of humanity.One wants to perserve the status quo and keep the manlings off the grass.One thinks that some humans are maybe, possibly redeemable. Perhaps.
>>150776553I will always love the person who is ill tempered and rude is actually very kind and nice for their group. Always cracks me up.
>>150776566That doesn’t happen in the canon because metis are a no-no. However, a human female can have sex with a wolf that is born as a Garou that shapeshifts into a human form to produce Garou offspring, and a female human Garou can shapeshift into a wolf to get knotted by an actual wolf.
>>150776582Garou are fucking weird man. I like them a lot but a lot of them really feels like fury wish fulfilment in the lore. I wish the lore was less pro dog fucking. No 5e isn't real don't tell me it is.
>>150776347>Belgian Ventrue tried to enslave it in the 19th century only to end up diablerized by the people he dominatedGotta say, that's a pretty solid way to spin it.It doesn't step on anybody's toes at least.
>>150776569No.Generally speaking, Garou don't like breeding with ordinary humans.Too close to the Weaver and Wyrm.There is a special group of humans called kinfolk that they can breed with.Kinfolk and different from humans due to uuuuuhhhh....Anyway, generally, Garou will breed with wolves.Actual, literal, non-sapient wolves.To be clear, Garou can breed with humans, but they can only produce more Garou by mating with Kinfolk, Wolves, or other Garou.
>>150776566No, that produces an abomination called Metis. Werewolves have to mate with normal humans or normal wolves in order to reproduce.
>>150776603Garou fucking normal humans and wolves produces kinfolk
>>150776569Like amazons?
>>150776603>>150776637Wait, hold on let me get this straight>Garou + Human/Wolf = Kinfolk>Garou + Kinfolk = GarouHow the fuck does that make sense?
>>150776553This trend of ttrpg rulebooks using feminine pronouns is so weird and gay.It always sounds ridiculous.
>>150776657You aren’t thinking with your balls, retard. Be more horny.
What deepcut lore reference would have you like picrel unironically? For me, it's Inanimae
>>150776576Very close, though there's more like five separate perspectives on humanity within the Red Talons.>The default stance of the Red Talons is that the Impergium should be reinstated. Humanity must be culled, its influence curtailed and they must be confined to small settlements where werewolves can use them as breeding stock.>The stance of the Predator Kings camp is that humanity had their chance and now they must all be wiped out. No culling, no curtailing, no confinement, just flat-out extermination of mankind until no humans are left on Gaia.>The Warders of the Land don't believe in the Impergium or extermination. These are the ones who seek to preserve the status quo like you said, who want to keep humanity out of the wilderness and that's all.>The Whelp's Compromise, though that's more of an insult that a formal name, the ones you mentioned who think that humanity is redeemable. They see value in humanity and the things that humans make and want to tone down the tribe's genocidal rhetoric.>The Dying Cubs. Exterminating humanity isn't enough for them, they want to ritually torture and sacrifice every human they capture and nourish Gaia with their blood, pain and souls. Even other Red Talons think they're fucking crazy and Wyrm-tainted.
>>150776657All right, let's break down the breeding shit again.Werewolves reproduce through breeding. There is no other way of making werewolves. If they are to win their war against the Apocalypse in the name of Gaia, they must breed as many werewolf warriors as they can.They can choose to breed with humans, with wolves, or with other werewolves.A werewolf breeding with an ordinary human or an ordinary wolf has a one-in-a-hundred chance of producing a werewolf, but any children born of the union will be something called kinfolk, whether human or wolf. Kinfolk come with a few advantages and disadvantages, but the key factor is that they are better for breeding more werewolves.A werewolf breeding with a kinfolk human or a kinfolk wolf has a one-in-ten chance of producing a werewolf, but once again, all offspring will be kinfolk, the highest chance of getting a werewolf child without breeding with another werewolf.Kinfolk breeding with kinfolk (of the same species) will almost always produce kinfolk, with a one-in-a-hundred chance of producing a werewolf.Kinfolk breeding with an ordinary member of the same species will water down the kinfolk 'gene.' After enough generations of this mixed breeding, the offspring can no longer be considered kinfolk. For this reason, werewolves jealously guard their kinfolk of both species and prohibit them from breeding with non-kinfolk.A werewolf breeding with a werewolf always produces a werewolf child, but the child is an abomination known as metis. Metis are always born in their werewolf form and with some sort of physical or mental deformity. They are sterile and looked down upon by other werewolves and must be hidden until they come of age and can transform.
>>150776731The not technically canon but for some ineffable reason constantly maintained connections to Exalted. Seriously, even 3e has fucking Grand Maw as a necromancy sponsor.Also lizard kings, Computer and THREAT NULL. Perfect examples of things that D can go on a schizo rant about and be completely right on.
Yes, there's werewolves who literally just go and shift into a dog and go fuck actual non werewolf dogs, with some of them basically only doing that because they're mega retarded and hate the fact they're human-ish adjacent. Just don't think about the Get of Fenris literally having rape squads of sapient Garou going around and fucking every female dumbshit wolf in the wilderness or a girl Garou willingly fucking with an actual wolf for it. The writers were death gripping their cocks or concrete shaking their clits while writing it almost as much as when they wrote the abuse they do to their kinfolk because lol if you think they treat their basically slavish breeding stock well in general, you're fucking delusional, they often don't even like them much at all.
>>150777104Are you that weird anon who constantly bitches and moans about how retarded the Garou are?
>>150777131That’s everyone, so yes.
>>150777131No, I'm just another Anon who's also critical of them, the exact same way that people criticized and rightfully called WtA fucking weird even back when. The game comes with weird baggage as does basically every single WoD installment Anon, and its frankly fun to shit on the Garou because almost every single piece of the game does.Like, they're frankly easy to criticize Anon. Point out the Impergium, the War of Rage, point out the Red Talons, point out the whole premise of the game being that they're kinda morons, point out the weird eugenics, point out the Shadow Lords and them being so comedically evil to get what they want, the immense incest inbreeding of the Silver Fangs, the game is filled with shit calling to the Garou morons.They can be better, but by default, they are weird animist steroid takers with a strong veering towards bestiality, murderous rage, no real written history, eco terrorism and they've fucked up so hard they kinda already lost. If you're not shitting on the Garou, you're missing out because everyone else is.
This again. It always devolves into werewolf breeding practices doesn’t it?
Chances of Kitten being Kinfolk?>House has mysterious attic area>Close to one, potentially two Caerns, one of which specifically has werecats guarding it (also likely where Matilda and her pack are)>His parents died in a “terrible accident”, potentially one of his many (at least 5) siblings undergoing a First Change>Who the fuck has 6 kids in England? Perhaps Fera trying to up their numbers?
>>150777220We get it, you're butt-mad about how retarded the Garou are and you're overcompensating. Get over yourself.
>>150777231Garou are just stupid enough for their reproduction to be an actual fucking debate topic for them in universe. They can't just accept that they need humans to some degree depending on the region. So of course their retarded breeding habits are a topic of discussion to highlight how stupid they are.
>>150777252It's fun to shit on the Garou, if you're overthinking it or getting offended, that's a skill issue on your part miss, not my problem.>>150777240He's probably *something* but Kinfolk might not be it given his first real interaction with the supernatural seems to have been some kind of Redcap faerie eating people that he skewered by pushing off into a spiked iron fence. Kinfolk can't First Change either so he wouldn't have had the First Spergout, and if he was that connected to spirits and more he'd likely be different altogether versus him being what he is right now, a mostly objective chilled out curious fat neckbeard.
Garou hate is always justified, they're moronic. Of course this doesn't mean I want them gone, I just love to fucking hate their retarded asses.
It's incredible how butt-hurt and obsessed you've become over the simple truth that the Garou are retarded.
>>150777131Lotta people call Garou retards. I do so out of affection, I love the Garou a lot but they are retards and thats why I love them
>>150777355>>150777372TAKE MY WIFE’S NAME OUT YO GODDAMN MOUF
>>150777376We already know how upset you are from your weird little rant. You don't need to hide it.
>>150775100Given how generic the Red Talon symbol is, it could also simply be a claw scar or something depending on how thorough their healing is
Use the Get of Fenris symbol, Alfa. Make the Stroheim of werewolves, Alfa.
>>150777471whats so bad aboutoh whew lad
>>150775993And this is why you fail.
>>150777471BAKANA, GAROU ARE THE STRONGEST WARRIORS OF GAIA
>>150777539Maybe the most retarded ones.
>>150777471>FENRIR TOTEMS ARE THE STRONGEST IN THE WYLD
>Setting has umbra >It also had human who uses magic who can be witches You see where I'm going with this?
So the idea of Stolenmoon and Fatigues shit is non canon in Lore right?,
>>150777590Oh no is very canon
>>150777590Its canon. Most likely had a Bane backing em too since he could use gifts
>>150777376Yeah it doesn't mean I don't want this garou hunt arc to happen, I just want to remind everyone at every moment they're fucking morons. It's like reminding people that the Lion is autistic.
>>150777598>>150777615Qrd?
>>150777583I don't because most humans can't really fuck with the umbra at all. Even an experienced sorcerer like Occam, a pretty strong dude, is not actually experienced enough to lead a group like that easily and sorta even the Woofs don't have that much of an ezpz time going there.
>>150777616And gay. The Lion is a fag.
>>150777590The right name for them is Skin Dancers, they're kinfolk who acknowledge that the Garou are obviously retarded and that they can do their job way better, so they capture the Garou, skin them alive and use their skins to absorb their power and become werewolves.
Kronik Fatigue's wolf form was rad as fuck
>>150777668Yeah, the way the hands remain human makes him look like a giant fucking mean covered in a wolf pelt.
>>150774762Unrelentingly BRITISH.
>>150777668Kronik is based and I’m tired of pretending he’s not.
>>150777637>I don't Umbra witches Anon UMBRA WITCHES
>>150777627Basically what happened. Stolen Moons can happen in different ways. The "more acceptable" way can be a human getting trolled by a spirit or by a poorly worded pact that basically curses em with a pseudo funky werewolf form. If the Garou are feeling nice (it can happen) they might be willing to give the person a break or help em ease their condition.Then ya got the "do some manner of fucked up ritual that involves skinning or taking the heart of a Garou / Garous and also maybe working with evil spirits or Banes to get that REALLY funkybass werewolf state. This was what Kronik's posse was and are generally super bad news and it pretty much always involves heavy Wyrm bullshit
>>150777705Oh, yeah sure Bayonetta could be a mage for sure. You wouldn't want that to happen, but it could.
>>150777489The Get of Fenris sigil is a swastika. The Black Furies’ sigil is a female human’s reproductive system.
>>150777737The Black Furies are so hilariously retarded. The Garou are retarded enough as it is, but bra-burning werewolves takes the retardation to the next level.
>>150777737>>150777754Someone has to use a penis as a symbol
So which male garou look like they fuck female wolves?
So we're getting Black Spiral Dancers right? the UK is their seat of power.
>>150777808Male garou in their lupus form or male garou who have used partial shifting to transform their balls into wolf testicles so they can impregnate female wolves without even needing to turn into wolves themselves.
How would a fight between matilda and the regent go?
>>150777833>>150777808There is one manga that has vampires and werewolves, the werewolves breed human women in their werewolf form and it's strongly implied it's under force.
>>150777875>human womenI sleep
>>150777583Even capital M mages don't fuck with the umbra unless they spec into the spirit sphere, sure they're "unbound" there, but swinging their magic dick arround will attract bigger fish without question And there's always bigger fish
>>150777828Ross is a Dancer, so yes.
>>150777871Matilda's too retarded to kill the regent quickly enough, she'd end up dominated and made the regent's bitch
>>150777722>You wouldn't want that to happenI mean nobody else can stand up to her 3rd game's enemy, and she seems to spend most of her time after game 1 just going around shopping when not hunting angels (who are actively trying to assimilate humanity), there are way worse candidates out there.
>>150776286I think you suck dicks for money.
>>150777922I fukken WISH I got paid for that
>>150775093in the book i read its alluded to that a werewolf's skin can be "stolen" by certain dark rites, so kinda yes but kinda no. they presumably dont have gifts so they dont really qualify as garou where tremeres are true vampires. also they really do steal the skins, where clan tremere, welll... lets just say their blood is more "borrowed"
>>150775256on the upside, at least it means noone has bottomless regeneration?
So let me get this all straight >There is a vampire council in Norfolk>There is also a local vampire hunter organisation >Said organisation had a spy in it, everyone thought it was a ghoul but it was actually a werewolf >But werewolves and vampires are enemies and are not know to work together >Also there is a much bigger vampire hunter organisation but it too is also infiltrated by ghouls?
I feel like the werewolves were supposed to be some sort of stewards of humanity/Gaia/Earth, but they fucked around way too much during the Impergium and now literally all of humanity intrinsically hates them.The Garou really are fucking retarded.
>>150775093Not quiteTremere "usurped the throne" so to speakThey're s real bloodline, stolen or notStolen moons is more like individuals that "looted" a woofs power with some foul magic which grants them a shittier version of a war formThing with that is, it's not something random retards would just find out in a bookThey had backing, from above or below, and I'm not talking about standard wyrm corruption
Compare the Wyrm to Chaos Gods on 40k, how much worse the gang had this time?
>>150777986>I feelYou don't feel anything, that's literally just the canon. They really are that retarded.
>>150775623its not "fair", but considering she's a hunter in WOD and an anti-colonial revolutionary 20 years of scrubbing floors is getting off pretty damn lightly
>>150777983But Kevin was the one who told Big D that there was a spy in the Chapter House. So either the vampires knew the werewolves had infiltrated the hunters, or there's still another spy that is unaccounted for working for the vamps.
>>150778008At least in 40K, there isn't a gaggle of raging retards who handed victory to the Chaos Gods on a silver platter.
>>150777983>>Said organisation had a spy in it, everyone thought it was a ghoul but it was actually a werewolfI thought the ghoul and the werewolf were two different spies?
>>150778011Oh, that's cool. I never read the Werewolf books, only mages so I didn't know.Literally born retarded, very sad.
>>150778031You don't know the half of it. They're so much more retarded than that, that it beggars belief.
>>150775242>player charactersthat... actually makes sense.
>>150778037>They're so much more retarded than thatWhat else did they do? I thought abusing your powers to the point that humanity develops an aversion to you that leads to them doing exactly what the Wyrm wants is the peak of retardation.
>>150778021They're really that fucking retarded aren't they?, i'm new to this thing but what the fuck do they do besides genociding other shifters
>>150778070Constantly attack random people and hunter organizations instead of teaming up with them. The Coalition partly exists because the werewolves were a bit TOO rowdy.Like how the Red Talons, I think, just kill every human they meet whether innocent or guilty.
>>150778021>forgetting about the eldaralso there's technically humanity creating the chaos gods but that got retconned
>>150777986>>150778011In the words of a wise old man Stupid dog
>>150778096I thought the first human murder only created a very strong daemon, not the gods themselves.
>>150777983>Said organisation had a spy in it, everyone thought it was a ghoul but it was actually a werewolfNah see there IS AT LEAST one ghoul, it's just there was ALSO a werewolf and they found her first.>werewolves and vampires are enemiesIt depends on the werewolf and the vampire, but generally yes. Black Spiral Dancers (the werewolf equivalent of Chaos God worshippers) do work with some vampires; remember the Pentex guy saying Kevin's boss is buddies with him?>Also there is a much bigger vampire hunter organisationYes, but the problem is theorised by D to be more Bane spirits (the agents of the Wyrm; just think of them as asshole spirits of entropy, stress and general negativity like the ominous swirly thing honing in on Kitten's near-meltdown) and evil supernatural-tampering corpos like Pentex who serve them.>>150778008The gang has it infinitely worse in oWoD because unless D turns out to literally be God having a little giggle, there is almost nothing stronger than the Wyrm in the setting. The good news is the Wyrm is also sealed much, much better than the Chaos Gods are from interfering directly with the materium due to conflict with the Weaver (the cosmic spirit of order). The bad news is it isn't naturally localised to the Umbra, it doesn't require belief or souls, and it can actually, no-bullshit "chaos is multiversal despite focusing it's efforts on one galaxy" navalgazing hogwash, destroy the universe if it's daemon-equivalents break it free. It actually does in one of the campaigns. If it wasn't sealed, it would genuinely be a greater danger to the universe than all 4 of the Chaos Gods combined.
>>150778066In their retardation, they slaughtered all of the other shapeshifters in the War of Rage, despite the fact that all of them performed vital roles in protecting Gaia that the werewolves refused to recognition because of how retarded they are.The Black Spiral Dancers were once the White Howlers, a clan so retarded that they thought that they could kill the Wyrm on their own so they all went adventuring into the Wyrm's lair and like the retards that they are, all ended up corrupted.When the European retards met up with the Native American retards, instead of uniting to try and fight the Wyrm like they're meant to, they tried to exterminate each other because the European retards considered the Native American retards too weak to defend their territory, and the Native American retards considered the European retards corrupted by the Wyrm, which is pretty much factual.Despite knowing how retarded they were and how badly they fucked up with the War of Rage, when they met surviving cells of shapeshifters in the lost corners of the world, they were still so fucking retarded that they thought it was a good idea to wipe them out all over again.They have literally never had a single good idea and they just retardedly smash their heads against the brick wall that is Pentex over and over again without ever realising that violence doesn't work because they're just that fucking retarded.It's honestly hilarious how retarded they are.
>>150778127Thanks for the explanation, I don't think even actual wolves are this retarded.Are the cat shapeshifters that they mention in this episode a few that they didn't manage to wipe out entirely?
>>150777978Yet.They could always run into a Kuel-jin who went Akuma (read: Sold their soul to a chinese demon god who can puppet them so thoroughly they can be indefinitely resurrected in their personal asian hell dimension)
>>150778106So originally the chaos gods were created during human times of strife>bubonic plague for Nurgle>the mongols for Khorne>Renaissance for Tzeentch they retconned it and said the Chaos Gods ALWAYS existed lol.
>>150778066They completely fucked up the natural order which spiraled into the wyrm, which was once a natural force of entropy, to be driven mad by the weaver, who started freaking out over the imbalance due to being the essence of order which led the weaver to entrap the wyrm in an effort control it which drove it completely insane due to both being trapped and the betrayal (wyrm was, and still is, a huge weaver simp)All this happened cause woofs thought they were hot shit and the kings of everything, which led them to wipe out species who had the distinct function of keeping the wyrm in check and traumatizing humans, which probably didn't help the weaver who they servedTL;DR if they ever try to pass the blame to humans or anyone else, literally everyone is entitled to rub their dick on their snouts
>>150777912There are worse candidates but you generally still don't want a witch with the powers of the deep umbra summoning demons to kill shit willy nilly, that bitch has plot armor and in a setting that isn't as friendly, she's feeding children or doing way worse with them to keep compacts with these Nephandi ass Lower Umbra motherfuckers she uses constantly. Once you actually use WoD world stuff instead of the mostly sanitized shit, it gets dark quick, especially if she's a hoity toity tradition mage.
>>150778152And then they went and introduced the Swimmers of the Deep in Age of Sigmar, who are the OLDER versions of the Chaos God species that arose from pre-complex emotion impulses and that have become mostly disinterested in the material plane.
If we're back on the subject of the ghoul, it has to be Elise, right? She's the only one that makes sense.
>>150778170A Lasombra ghoul, no less!
>>150778070They kill innocent people because they're so retarded that they can't tell who's corrupted by the Wyrm or not even though they have a literal superpower that lets them see this shit.They constantly wreck factories and pipelines and other important infrastructure without realising that they're just doing the Wyrm's work for it and hurting people with their retardation.They don't even have an actual written or spoken language using actual words, they're so fucking retarded that they communicate through howling and claw-mark "hieroglyphs" because they're literally fucking incapable of complex communication without stealing it from humans.Their culture is full of so many retarded traditions that they're constantly at each other's throats and fighting each other even more than they fight Pentex or the Wyrm.They brim with so much retard rage that they're literally incapable of socialising with humans or integrating into human society which makes them all a bunch of jobless hobos who live on the fringes of civilisation, every human can basically tell out of pure instinct that this person is a retarded wolfman without even needing to see the war form.
>>150778167Eldritch Horror type shit?
>>150778127It's sad that Gaia has no way of talking to them so that she can ask them just what the hell they are doing. >>150778152I prefer the retconned explanation
>>150778196That's the thing, Garou have a million different ways of talking to spirits but they're so fucking retarded that they are incapable of asking simple fucking questions that would allow them to actually save the fucking world instead of dooming it like the retards that they are.
>>150777898HOT
>>150778196The retcon makes more sense because it justifies the mass suicide leading to the Emperor.
>>150778152>>150778167I honestly kinda like the fact that the chaos gods weren't created by humanity itself, considering how old life is in 40k. Though it'd be pretty cool if each race had its own 'pantheon' of 'gods' that ended up subsumed into the Chaos Gods once they got big enough for the chaos gods to pay attention. Sort of like the pantheons from whfb and literally what happened to the Eldar lol.>>150778153So how...insane is the Wyrm? And how sapient are the Gaia/Wyrm/Weaver triumvirate?>>150778186Is there any garou tribe that ISN'T retarded?
>>150778214What's hot about having a pet retard?
>>150778222Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, and Bone Gnawers are all doing their best ;~;
>>150778208But why isn't Gaia talking to them?
>>150778225She's a good girl, she just needs training~
>>150778222>Is there any garou tribe that ISN'T retarded?No. Each one is retarded in its own special way, from the Get of Fenris who are so retarded that they would rather spend all of their effort kicking the shit out of other Garou and stealing their territory, to the Black Furies who are so retarded that they focus all of their energy on fucking gender politics and women's rights, to the Bone Gnawers who are so retarded that they don't realise that they could use their million different gifts and superpowers to live like kings, but instead choose live as fucking hobo retards.
>>150778222>>150778217>>150778196Daemons still existed from the war in the warp and the shamans were having to do battle with them. The Emperor was them protecting against the worsening demons.
>>150778237But is their best good enough, or is it only spergraging against very specific targets while still kind of being ineffective.
>>150778190In a very sidelined way yeah. One's corpse was made into part of Nagash's realm. Another was locked into one of Sigmar's stormvaults; when it came out it could adapt to any individual attack short of the god-level shit used to push it in (oh yeah every major character from the Old World except Settra is a god now, not a Chaos God but sorta a personification of a wind of magic with a vaguely mythopoeic kind of existence where they can rule the manifested plane of Azyr for example but still fuck up repeatedly, just roll with it) so they had to keep hitting it with new ones.Probably never going to become plot relevant.
>>150778241Because they're retards who have proven that they're unworthy. Would you talk to a bunch of genocidal retards who have ruined the world for everyone?
>>150778262If they are doing it in my name? Yes
>>150778248Are we sure that all this isn't vampire propaganda?
>>150778273That might make you just as retarded as they are then, since they'd probably try to kill you next.
It really feel like D and Co are always rolling 1s and 10s at random with the amount of shit they get into and get out of alive
>>150778237Glass Walkers are so retarded that despite being able to remote-control technology with their gifts they still end up blown the fuck out by vampires, mages and even normal humans when it comes to influencing the world through technology. They've got everything that they need to dominate the internet but they're so fucking retarded that they don't even try.Children of Gaia are so retarded that they go full horseshoe theory and become retarded pacifists who refuse to use their strength and capacity for violence in any constructive way and instead literally waste all of their potential and power as fighters out of the werewolf equivalent of white guilt.Bone Gnawers are retarded for the reasons stated in >>150778248 and more.
>>150778222They're "pseudo sapient" not really a mind but more like demiurgeswyrm went completely and utterly fubar in it's function cause the immense pain the weaver put him through after it got rowdy due to the imbalance the garou createdIt's still trapped to this day and the corruption is essentially it's madness leaking outLetting it out might just make things worse but things will never improve while it remains in binds
>>150778297I didn't say I'd it in the open, could be a cliff between us. Maybe a roaring river or a canyon
>>150778329>Letting it out might just make things worse but things will never improve while it remains in bindsAh, the ol' Emperor on the Throne issue.
>>150778318Their GM seems to want to keep the party alive long enough to reach the end of the campaign they have planned.Why their party and not one of the many other parties they have game master rights over, who can say?
>>150777131i do thatyou know the "guns dont kill people" line? gaia made a gun that does kill people. i cant hate them for being made retarded, but that doesnt excuse their retardation either
Something isn't adding up here >Many Garou believe that the Weaver is primarily to blame for the imbalance in the Triat; their mythology states that the Weaver grew tired of its order being destroyed by the Wyrm, and spun its webs to imprison the Wyrm and end its destruction. This imprisonment drove the Wyrm mad, and caused it to begin destroying everything, rather than just those things whose time had ended.Yet Anon here claims werewolves are at fault?
>>150778344YesExcept instead of a "benevolent" god king, itsvthr essence of entropy driven to spiritual decay
>>150778318I forgot, was this based on a campaign they actually played? Because if it wasn't, it makes sense that shit happens like this and they sometimes have plot armour and sometimes have negative plot armour.>>150778384The Garou have already been established to be retarded. Of course they wouldn't blame themselves despite it being blatantly obvious to any outside observer.>>150778397Seems like if the forces were in 'balance' and the Wyrm wasn't trapped, human society wouldn't even be able to develop at all, no?
>>150778384The garou are fucking retardedThe weaver wouldn't go mad if creatures like the were boars were allowed to keep the wyrm in checkUnfortunately, they didn't let them be and fuckin killed them all for being "tainted"They didn't directly cause it, but they sure pushed that rock out
>>150778421No because the campaign is Norfolk Wizard Game
>>150778421They probably wouldn't develop the same way, no
>>150778222First of all, it's the Wyld, Weaver and Wyrm, with the Wyld being the primordial force of creation. It gets barely any attention next to the Wyrm and the Weaver, mostly because it's not antagonistic.Any sapience and awareness possessed by the Triat is a part of their insanity, as they are all simply meant to be unthinking forces without any motivation or goals, like the Wyld.In the case of the Wyrm, its insanity manifests as multiple personality disorder. In order to try and escape from the Weaver's trap and perform its duty, it fractured into a whole mess of different beings that want to achieve the Wyrm's goal of destruction in a bunch of different ways. The majority of the Wyrm's power is still bound up in the Weaver's Pattern Web, but the Wyrm has loads of avatars trying to achieve the Apocalypse in their own way and impose their own interpretation of destruction upon the Wyrm. The three heads of the Triatic Wyrm, the eleven Urge Wyrms, and more.
>>150778384Werewolves are the fucking retards who caused the Weaver to go mad in the first place. Do your fucking research.
>>150778421>>150778428>360 million years ago: Weaver attempts to trap the Wyld and fails. Ananasa takes the energy released and with the assistance of the Wyrm, who wanted to create and not only devour, makes the spider as a perfectly balanced creature.I don't even think we had mammals 360 million years ago
>>150777355>Garou hate is always justified, they're moronic.Severe understatement. Not only moronic, not only short-sighted, but also learned nothing.From slaughtering the various shape-shifters (some of which they completely genocided or forced into the arms of the Wyrm like the werehogs that could eat Wyrm-tainted stuff with no negatives but slaughtered them still because it would be impossible to remain uncorrupted), to proliferating things that cause members of their pack to join the Wyrm's minions to their stupid-ass honor stuff (seriously this kind of thing is in part what turned the White Howlers into Black Spiral Dancers...apart of what happened to their kinfolk).>>150778152>they retconned it and said the Chaos Gods ALWAYS existed lol.More like that Chaos came into being during the end of the War in Heaven from all the shit that turned the Warp into what it is today and crystalized into Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch, but they didn't have back then that much power as they have now.Slaanesh's origin story is untouched. Still got orgied into existence by the psychic space pixie fairies.
>>150778448In WoD, is technology itself "evil", or at least tainted? I think I remember reading something about how electricity itself was 'forced' into being by the precursors of the Technocracy by convincing all of humanity that it makes perfect sense and to just not think about it.>>150778454So instead of being allowed to 'destroy' things naturally, because of its bindings any avatar that 'escapes' now tries to take the destruction to the maximum possible extent instead? That's interesting.>>150778481Why did the Weaver try to trap the Wyld? Is he stupid?
>>150778127The only changing breed that got out of the war unscathed were the Rokea, or weresharks, but humanity eventually nuked them and wiped out like 60 percent of their global population, which honestly gives them a more valid reason to hate humans than the garou
>>150778492Not really Technology is the domain of the weaverIt's not good or bad but it can be either Technocracy technically serve the weaver
>>150778492>think I remember reading something about how electricity itself was 'forced' into being by the precursors of the Technocracy by convincing all of humanity that it makes perfect sense and to just not think about it.Vut thats stupid because electricity is natural >Why did the Weaver try to trap the Wyld? Weaver creates and Wyld destroys.
>>150778384In the deeper lore stuff, you have excerpts that give a bigger overview or a deeper perspective. The TLDR is>Weaver liked humans back before they were humans, gave Apes tool usage and brains>Apes became predators too instead of JUST prey, got kills, Wolfs a bit wary but still generally ok with it because hey, its a triadic spirit gift, they'd be really hypocritical >This kinda goes well for everyone really until the Ice Age comes out>Apes slowly lost their hair, used tech and such but like this Ice Age fucking SUCKED and everyone was trying to survive>Apes, now furless, had to kill mamoths to survive and use their furs to withstand the winter>The Garou were surprised they saw now Humans live and donning furs, asked what the fuck where did they get those>Humans admit that they needed to do this to survive, and aparently these were some of the last mamoths of their kind>Rage retardation triggered, Impergium activated, 9 gorrilion Holocausts began>The Weaver, who really liked the Humans and gave them intellect and tool usage, is now seeing them actively get actually snuff raped, mutilated, violently tortured, aggressively pursued, terrified, unable to properly defend themselves for millenia, thousands and thousands of years>The Garou Rage is Wyrm in origin after all, and is a part of their entropy>So the Weaver, forced to witness its spirit animal get beyond humiliated and murdered and traumatized, trapped the Wyrm to try and stop this>Now the Wyrm got stronger over time, the Weaver propelled Humans into Society, and now both Weaver and Wyrm are too strong compared to the Wyld who hasn't done shit because the writers are fucking lazy, and so Humanity are now too big to be beaten, the Wyrm is too strong to defeat without cooperation, and the Wolfs are too retarded and agressive (Wyrm focused) to do shit>And all of it because Humans had to kill stuff to survive, which happens all the time anyways but fuck humies
>>150777871white-room arena deathmatch?>matilda rolls up with 5 rage, immediately deliberately frenzies and enters crinos>regent (best case scenario) rolls potency for the claws>matilda's delerium gets no-sold because the regent is supernatural, but its passive>the regent's dominate gets no-sold by frenzy and because matilda is supernatural, but dominate took a power for the turn>both absolutely shred eachother (vamp claws do aggrevated damage but so do the woofs) but matilda has higher STR (7), brawl (4), and comes with potency, celerity AND fortitude at 4 or higher, while the regent is too heavily invested in social skills>wolf frenzy is also substantially better than vampire hunger frenzy>the regent summons courtiers and dips the second she thinks shes going to loose. the fight is somewhat more complicated based on who is the PC since players dont get bottomless regeneration but both NPC statblocks do. that said, a player matilda gets even higher stat boosts from crinos which means she both takes less and deals more damage each turn. if she goes in without enough rage or has no gifts/a low level build i could see the regent taking it, but the regent of greater yarmouth is no count fucking orlock. she reads more like the courtier statblock, and the standard wolf rocks their shit no contest
I get the feeling that the guide had lead the expedition to the jungle vampire village hoping they would fight, but Senior Fatigue was too focused on his goals to care.
>>150778008Things are more rigged in the Wyrm's favor by default since the main faction fighting against it consists of monumental retards who are probably helping it more than hindering it with their retardation
>>150778551So you really can just blame it all on the werewolves being idiots.Damn, this setting really is a perfect transition for Alfa from 40k, that also has one Giga Retard race that did everything wrong too.
>>150778551>And all of it because Humans had to kill stuff to survive, which happens all the time anyways but fuck humiesKill to survive sure but humans are the only ones who have driven other species into extinction. Perhaps that's what the werewolves saw, that if left unchecked the humans would wipe out everything and look at modern society and ask yourself if they are wrong.
>>150778551Humans getting gud was even part of the planThe humie regulators were the rat shifters, never the garou, they just got salty humans were not shit and would eventually rival them in the foodchain
>>150778021>in 40K, there isn't a gaggle of raging retards who handed victory to the Chaos Gods on a silver platterno love for my boys angron, perturabo or leman?
>Weaver creates the Insect Races; shape-shifters from bees, moths, hornets, locusts, ants and termites. When the Moths refuse to serve her, she destroys their spirits. The Wyld is outraged and attacks the Weaver. The Weaver destroys the life on the Moon.
>>150778492>In WoD, is technology itself "evil", or at least tainted?In Werewolf the Apocalypse, technology is one of the Weaver's gifts to humanity. However, the Wyrm is connected to everything that the Weaver makes due to being trapped in the Weaver's web, so technology is Wyrm-tainted and takes a toll on Gaia, and is one of the avenues through with the Wyrm seeks to bring about the Apocalypse.>So instead of being allowed to 'destroy' things naturally, because of its bindings any avatar that 'escapes' now tries to take the destruction to the maximum possible extent instead?Yes, each of the Wyrm's many heads is devoted to its own brand of destruction. For example, Beast-of-War is mindless rage, Eater-of-Souls is endless hunger and the Defiler Wyrm is corruption and the desire to destroy something by perverting its very nature.>Why did the Weaver try to trap the Wyld? Is he stupid?She. The Weaver went mad before the Wyrm did. The Wyld creates an endless stream of material that the Weaver is compelled to make into beautiful things, and the Wyrm smashes every beautiful thing the Weaver makes. Aeons of being stuck between those two forces with the most thankless task drove her mad, so she tried to trap the Wyld and the Wyrm so she could create a perfect world where nothing is born and nothing dies, so that she could rest at last.
>>150778070>Went full team killing fucktard mode on the rest of Gaia's proverbial immune system because they thought they weren't EXTREME enough and could do everything themselves or that only warriors were required (they can't and were comically wrong)>Went hyper holocaust on humanity SO hard that they inflicted genetic and spiritual trauma on em which in turn made another of the triat sperg out harder which in turn made it fuck with another of the triat harder and cause a cascade of things becoming much worse for everyone>Continue to in fight and splinter rather than unite against the ever deteriorating situation they caused.>As D said, the majority of them that aren't one of the more chill tribes or PCs address perceived problems in the most retarded way possible that ends up making them more hated by everyone else and indirectly helping the thing they are trying to stop>Best bet is to work with humanity at this point and even that is like pulling teeth >Then you got shit like the Black Spiral Dancers who went "fuck it" and joined the thing they are supposed to fight / achieve balance with full stop so now you got super evil regenerating nature tanks
>>150775093Not really. Stolen Moons are generally kinfolk who've completely lost it in envy, jealousy, and hate for the Garou and will do anything to gain similar levels of power and they can vary in how they receive said power from relatively 'benign' deals with spirits to what Kronik and his brothers were doing. In fact, given that Kronik had access to the ability to move through the Umbra, it's likely they were Skin Dancers specifically.
>>150778620Until the werewolves did that on their own too, lol.>>150778623I think at most you could say that Horus, by mortally wounding the Emperor, is who did it the most, but even then there's still at least some other factions that can withstand chaos like the Necrons. Nobody really doomed EVERYONE like the werewolves did.I guess technically the Old Ones and the Necrons by having the War in Heaven and shitting up the Warp?>>150778650Is God real in the setting? Capital g God. Because if so, why'd He make the Wyld/Weaver/Wyrm relationship so ass, is he retarded?
>>150778641>Ananasa (spider queen creates by the weaver) creates the Ananasi (spider race) >The Severing. The Weaver traps Wyrm. The Wyrm goes insane. Weaver begins calcifying the Umbra.>The Insect Wars. The Ananasi exterminate the Insect RacesStarting to think the weaver is the real issues here
>>150778611Basically.>>150778620>humans are the only ones who have driven other species into extinction. Perhaps that's what the werewolves saw, that if left unchecked the humans would wipe out everything and look at modern society and ask yourself if they are wrongFirstly, wrong, animal species die anyways plenty if you give even an inkling of thought to nature, this happened due to natural entropy regardless, especially understandable on an Ice Age.Secondly, War of Rage. The Woofs have absolutely disrupted the entire fucking world and exterminated several *Shifters*, they're infinitely worse at this than Humans ever wanted to be. The Average Human doesn't want to kill any species off the earth, the original humans wanted to survive only, they didn't have any glee in exterminating the last surviving mamoths in a several decades long Ice Age.
>>150778196Honestly I don't think even Gaia holding up a giant neon sign in front of their faces and screaming "STOP. DOING. THAT." will make them get it. They'd probably think it was wyrm fuckery or something as the Wyrm laughs from his rape prison
>>150778664>Is God real in the setting? Capital g God. Because if so, why'd He make the Wyld/Weaver/Wyrm relationship so ass, is he retarded?Depends on the game you're playing. In Werewolf the Apocalypse, God isn't particularly important and the Triat are the fundamental forces of the universe instead of an Abrahamic God.
>>150778150ah fuck. there's also the thing where a gost/demon can posess a vampire right? that gives infinite regen and sun resistance iirc
>>150778664Yes, hell tooBut it's complicated
>>150776487I assumed the kids were possibly kinfolk and the parents either more kinfolk or potentially Garou.>That is: Assuming he knew about their cooperation with the insurrectionists and lycans and didn't just slaughter them because they snubbed him earlier.He gouged out Pascal's eye for no reason, so probably the latter.
>27,000 years ago: The Ananasi conspire to wipe out the Neanderthals, eradicating most clans during a gathering. The other Fera proclaim the Ananasi Wyrm-tainted, but the damage to the species is already done. The last Neanderthal dies on the Iberian Peninsula.Again are we sure the spiders aren't to blame for everything?
Anyone got a pic of Kronik’s warform
>>150778733I'm sure they're very sorry
>>150778664Capital G God is real since the vampire and demon gameline are directly tied to the Bible. Biblical Caine is real and the father of all vampires for example. But anyways in demon lore when the fallen angels rebelled and became demons God became so pissed he decided to fuck up all of reality. In a great battle God manifested himself in the material world, for second the infinite was in the finite. So God turned his perfect world into the imperfect, straight lines twisted into spirals, perfect circles into ellipticals. So literally everyone in oWOD essentially inherited a broken universe to live in.
>>150778688>Firstly, wrong, animal species die anyways plenty if you give even an inkling of thought to nature, this happened due to natural entropy regardless, especially understandable on an Ice Age.Ok but which species have been driven to extinction that wasn't caused by humans? Not counting the dinosaur, while nothing can be proven it's generally accepted that all megafauna got killed by humans. Even now species that are on the verge of it is not because of nature but because of humans. Did nature kill all the wolves in England or did humans do it?
>>150778772Remember the Dinosaur extinction was caused by the Wyrm launching an asteroid at the Earth. The Mokole breed book even says so.
>>150778748How does the game deal with "vampires fear the cross". Do they all fear the cross even though they have no connection to it or do they fear religious symbols?
>>150778492in WOD5 the weaver is also crazy, so the current world is half "chaos and destruction of the wyrm" and half "suffocated in the endless ordered web of the weaver". technology as objects or a concept is not good or evil, but your smartphone is like having a nest of pattern spiders in your back pocket
Okay, to avoid misinformation, have the actual creation myth of Werewolf the Apocalypse, focused on the Weaver's role in it. It describes precisely why the Weaver went batshit and it happened long before the Garou ever existed.
>>150778744I don't feel like saving and reposting, so just look here >>150764216
>>150778818Crosses themselves are worthless True faith tho? That will hurt badIt's basically free magic anyone with a strong will can access without awakening
>>150778664all horus did was break and already hopeless imperium. perty is the one who got him there, russ is the one who ruined the human win-con and angron is doing his bestreally the pre-fall eldar fucked up the hardest
>>150778772The universe has existed for aeons in the Garou mythology, spirits have existed before any biological life. If we're taking it seriously, and you don't think shit like Ice Ages, Droughts, Global Warming Non Human Edition, Meteors, Mild Spirit Fuckery, Triadic Spirit Fuckery, Volcanos, Basic Predation and more hasn't fucking killed species?We don't kill species that exist deep in the jungles or most isolated places Anon, especially hyper specialized species. They die naturally. Several thousands of insect species get wiped out and nobody blinks, birds have gone extinct, same with several lizards, several mamals, several of everything really. Most nature shit happens in nature, and a lot of species are inherently far more fragile than you think, where a few colder winters can nearly wipe out most life in some neck of the woods. If you're going to complain megafauna got killed and give reason to the Wolves to mega kill us all in the setting, then you should be mega hating the Wyrm in general because that shit is Meant To Happen Anyways Eventually.
>>150778818Religious symbols by themselves don't hurt Vampires or the super natural. Wielding a cross or crucifix at a blank body won't set them alight.But but there's this thing called True Faith where if a believer (in oWod it was just Abrahamic faiths) believes and trusts in their religion string enough there able to invoke holy powers and drive off the evil. Someone with True Faith can hurt Vampires and other monsters by wielding crucifixes and the like against them. Having True Faith also gives you a resistance against mental powers like a Vampire's Dominate or the Werewolves inherent Delirium.
>>150778817For what purpose >>150778885>We don't kill species that exist deep in the jungles or most isolated placesNot directly but our actions are leading to their death's
>>150778008The Wyrm is the very principle of Void, Entropy, Destruction, Balance, and Renewal that has turned into Corruption, Death, the Abyss, Decay, Ruin, and Desecration now that it has gone completely fucking mad. Nothing could differentiate or exist until the Wyrm-as-Void was separated by the divisions of the Weaver and Wyld. It cannot be interacted with, and yet it influences and makes up basically everything in existence. The Wyrm is worse than Chaos in basically every way because there's no way to avoid it because it simply encompasses far, far, far more. There is no confronting or stopping or even harming it, because it both encompasses and exists beyond the Tellurian. When D says THE WORLD IS BAD, he is not joking. Something sitting right next to God in terms of power has gone utterly mad and now yearns for the dissolution of all existence. Shit is fucked.
Why must the best characters die first?
>>150778070The Garou are so retarded that their equivalents in CofD, the Pure, are literally unambiguously the villains.
>ctrl+f "retard">84 matcheswhat the fuck
if youre asking "how the wyrm who was nigh untouchable and unreachable" got caught by the weaver, its simplethe wyrm is very attracted to the weavertheres a reason humans are so darn good at destruction, wyrm basically wanted to be the the dad that stepped upunfortunatly that means theyre very easily currupted
>>150779004It's spider people spreading propaganda
>>150778937>Not directly but our actions are leading to their death'sNo, the actions of a SELECT FEW who dictate shit that nobody else can act on and even then, no, because a lot of fucking species just die anyways because they suck.Like, they do. Some species are worthless, unadaptable, they live in a specific environment, they can't adapt for shit, they don't do anything, they need 3 species to somehow operate and they only eat a single thing and it is barely even considerable food for the ecosystem as a whole. You and I can't lead to pandas dying, especially with Humanity as a group also having several conservation efforts to exactly not do that still. I am not leading to the deaths of the Amazonian Bark Slug that only exists in a single 50 meter radius of the Bakunokumminginmypanties tree and neither are you, the Bark Slug species fucking sucks and was going to die in a year anyways. This isn't some Wyrm taint shit, this is how the world works in Balance. Species do die, useless ones are removed, new ones mutate or pop in, environments are stratified as to permit their existence and general environment to propagate the cycle.You're doing a Garou. Don't go full retard.
>>150778851Don't forget that True Faith is something very rare as few have enough conviction in their beliefs to make it manifest in the material. >>150778885You're missing the point he's trying to make anon. As a whole humanity is extremely disruptive to the natural world and we've caused the extinctions of multiple species either actively or accidentally, thats not even mentioning the wholesale destruction of ecosystems and nature to build cities industry and the like. Even if humans are creations of nature we've still drastically changed the planet and nature itself for the worse.
>>150778974RIP apeboy
>>150779004We're talking about werewolves anon. This should be expected.
>>150778222>So how...insane is the Wyrm? It wants to omnicide all things where it was once the principle force of Balance. Its yearning to escape its own prison has fragmented it from the original Balance Wyrm into the Triatic Wyrm, the 11 Urge Wyrms, and multiple lesser avatars of itself. Each one with their own ideas of how to destroy all existence.>And how sapient are the Gaia/Wyrm/Weaver triumvirate?All three of the Triat are far, far too vast to truly attribute sspience to as we understand - it's more impulses and influences that come from them that shape the world in various ways. Gaia is more self-aware, but is still too big to directly interact with any one mortal being except through intermediaries.
>>150779024>Even if humans are creations of naturebaseless crack theory but what nature? you really think humans "evolved" in a chaotic, fey infested, pre-consensus dream soup?
>>150778664>Is God real in the setting?He is in VtM. He's not in WtA.>but they're the same settingWelcome to World of Darkness.
>>150778384The Triat ended up imbalanced before existence was a thing. The Fera themselves, Garou included, were all created by Gaia to bring them back into balance. The Garou merely exacerbated the problem massively through the War of Rage and Impergium.Anons saying that it's squarely on their shoulders aren't quite correct, because there was shit wrong with the Triat from the word go.
>>150779021This is peak Wyrm tainted propaganda everyone. Constant denial of the effect humanity has on the planet and justifies the destruction of species and environments as a natural phenomenon. Even though those extinctions and destruction is caused directly by human activity. No wonder things are going extinct when you cut down the fucking trees they live off of. You're the worst kind of person a nihilist who simply doesn't give a shit that the world is going to hell around him, peak Wyrm fodder.
>>150779004Let's open the dictionary. It says right here the definition of retard is:>delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.Seems pretty fucking apt in this conversation's context.
>>150779103ever consider humans are also part of nature?
>>150778748>>150779074I thought each setting explained its cosmology in the way that the supernatural in question sees it. Vampires see God, werewolves see Gaia, the mages see the Demiurge. >>150778831Wow it really was just the werewolves sperging out that one species is a bit too good at killing.>>150778883>russ is the one who ruined the human win-conWhich is? I didn't read any of the Horus Heresy books.
>>150777983All the characters are assuming the infiltrator was Matilda. It doesn't seem to occur to them that there could be TWO infiltrators, with two different but similar goals. The ghoul wants the hunter data. The werewolves want information on Black Schuck, and to assassinate Fatigue.My bet is that Grimal is a ghoul. She attacked Occam, stole the data, then took a break in the security room because she felt guilty as fuck. Matilda entered the security room planning to sabotage the security feeds. She found Grimal, realized she is the ghoul, and hit her with the delirium. She found the data on Grimal (lucky break she thinks), hid the data in the smokes, took them, then went on her way to kill Fatigue.During the interrogation in the bathroom, Matilda knew Grimal was the ghoul. She does everything she can to steer the conversation towards her without EXPLICITLY revealing she knows. Then things go tits up. Grimal, not knowing Matilda hid the data in the smokes, accidentally reveals it. Matilda goes full war form and chaos ensures.However, look at what Matilda does after her cover is blown. She is 100% still playing the objective. First she goes for the data again, until it's destroyed. Then, she picks her first target. Does she go after D? The strongest and most experienced hunter? Does she attack Blacklaw, the other skilled hunter wielding a deadly weapon? No, she goes to finish off fucking GRIMAL, the total non-threat who she just backhanded through a fucking wall.
>>150779113See >>150779024
>>150778492>In WoD, is technology itself "evil", or at least tainted?Technology is a gift of the Weaver to mankind, but it's been heavily defiled by the Wyrm's taint into a tool of corruption. There is also one of the Weaver's few remaining greater spirits who has remained sane and benign, Science, which is presently being devoured by The Machine which is one of the others that has completely lost it. >Why did the Weaver try to trap the Wyld? Is he stupid?Order and Stadis cannot hold Dyanmism and Change anymore than you can hold the ocean.
>>150779021But are your actions leading to the death of the bark slug? Are you buying your meat from Brazilian farmers who slash and burn the Amazon in order to get grazing fields for their animals? Are you buying your vegetables from American farms who unnaturally draining the Colorado river which is drying up the delta which is leading to the death of various species and ecosystem in both the river and the delta? Like you said we humans for the most time aren't activity driving species to their death, unless we're talking about the wolf. But through our indirect actions we are driving species towards their death
>>150779111perhaps 84 instances across only 300 posts is a bit of over-use for a word which doesn't serve an important grammatical function
>>150779024>You're missing the point he's trying to make anon. As a whole humanity is extremely disruptive to the natural world and we've caused the extinctions of multiple species either actively or accidentally, thats not even mentioning the wholesale destruction of ecosystems and nature to build cities industry and the like.Boars are incredibly disruptive. Bears are too. Most large predatorial species murder smaller ones for fun. Cats slaughter birds a plenty, and some birds start forest fires. Some species exist exactly just to poison and murder animals, or to cause as much pain as possible. Some replicate based on mostly rape.I'm not missing any point, because there's no point to have. Species this easily extinct would have been dead anyways, and most humans don't want or actually do disrupt shit at all and try to live in relative balance, they don't go murdering animals for fun or salting the grass like Nephandi. Industry is needed due to actions of a few, the nature of society has existed plenty but so has the impulse to diminish the effects on the world as much as possible.WtA is purposefully biased to constantly paint humanity in the worst light possible while giving Werewolves full credit, when its very clear they can't do so, and they can't state they're doing a good job despite propaganda. Humanity isn't Saintly, but its by no means an Avatar of the Wyrm, and the more you believe this, the more You fail to see the meta point that the books themselves spell out.Collaboration with Humanity works. Trying to kill it and state its all Wyrm shit doesn't. The Impergium didn't work, neither will demonizing Humanity further and slotting them only as Wyrm.
>>150779132>The MachineWhat exactly is that?>>150779132My question was why she tried it, not why she failed. But that explanation in the post from the book above is good enough.
>>150779122>Wow it really was just the werewolves sperging out that one species is a bit too good at killing.Couldn't that logic be used to defend the actions of the Garou? Everyone complaining about the War of Rage and Impergium is just upset that the Garou were too good at violence.
>>150779145>What exactly is that?One of the Weaver's three greater spirits (Incarna) who has lost the plot and gone off the reservation. It embodies the Weaver's absolute obsession with perfection and control and will swallow Gaia whole into a perfect static symmetry to do so. Human civilization is what helped ensure its manifestation.
>>150779074>>150779122Multiple splat books have had all three game lines mix and play against each other. Most notably books focused on locations, and the fucking "Chaos Factor" where goddamn Samuel Haight triple dips into being a Werewolf, Mage, and Vampire all at once. So all the lore's are somewhat correct I guess. Fuck everyone.
>>150779135>But are your actions leading to the death of the bark slug? Are you buying your meat from Brazilian farmers who slash and burn the Amazon in order to get grazing fields for their animals? Are you buying your vegetables from American farms who unnaturally draining the Colorado river which is drying up the delta which is leading to the death of various species and ecosystem in both the river and the delta?No, I'm not. I'm European.This is the problem, you guys think Humanity as a whole is American. It isn't. Humanity as the Wyrm inherently doesn't fucking work because Humanity is far too different world wide, so much so that the American Consumerism Culture just doesn't work. Your shit doesn't work on me, I ain't doing shit, I ain't hurting anyone, 95% of all our meat is local and humane.Americanizing Humanity doesn't even work ingame. It's chains of guilt and blame as excuses to muder Humans in the end of the day, but then its wrong, and it doesn't result in anything good for anyone. Meta structuring Humanity to be American is the dumbest shit ever, and more so when you analyze it through basically any other culture in the world that isn't doing American level shit.That's a You thing. You wanna fucking stop global warming? Get into politics and force Brazil and China to burn less coal, not murder Americans because they had to get meat that killed a slug. Full Garou, never go Full Garou.
>>150779123>No, she goes to finish off fucking GRIMAL, the total non-threat who she just backhanded through a fucking wall.No after the data was destroyed she did go for D and Blacklaw, Grimal did try to attack but got knocked out. Funny enough that was the only attack Matilda didn't tank. What power does the yaoi paddle have
>>150779142>Boars are incredibly disruptiveYes in environments where they are invasive and do you know how they are invasive? Humans bought pigs with them and also killed a lot of natural predators for the boar
>>150779237Not that anon but most of humanity is much fucking worse than America. 90 percent of all plastic and pollution comes from 9 rivers in African and Asia. Fuck for example the Ganges river in India is so polluted the entirety of it is biologically dead. So yea lets murder the third worlders instead.
>>150779269Right, but after she backhands Grimal through a wall, she ignores the two hunters *right in front of her* to go kill Grimal. It's still an odd choice unless Matilda knows Grimal is a ghoul.
>>150779236He also dipped into Wraith.
I really want to know what's going on with the rest of the charactersI need to see how Brok and his boys are doingMy least favorite episodes are the explanations. This one wasn't so bad because we got a nice story out of young Fatigue, but I was thoroughly bored when Big D got back to babbling about the umbra
>>150779303It could also just be a grudge, she very clearly didn't like Grimal even before she got caught. But then again I guess she didn't really like anyone at the chapter house except Amanda.
>>150779237>No, I'm not. I'm EuropeanBold of you to assume that your meat and agriculture products don't come from Brazil. But let's dig further into this, where in Europe? What Policy does your nation have on wolves?.>Get into politics and force Brazil and China to burn less coal,He says when China are investing a lot in green energy, but what you're doing here is clear whataboutism. Yes China and Brazil also have to get on track but that doesn't mean the rest of us can just stop working towards a green future
>>150778363Do you think Amanda is Markus's players temporary character? Good GM for letting the party still stick together especially after I don't think they were meant to uncover the wolf so soon and he GM was backed into a corner.
>>150779394Very possibly if this really is the angle they're going for in how they're presenting the story.
>>150779394>>150779433Who is Door and Boy's players' replacement characters in this hypothetical?
>>150779297They are disruptive here too, where they've always been native to, because they're by default a bunch of assholes who kill rabbits for fun, dig everything, murder most things smaller than them and reproduce massively. We keep them in control because wolves and more don't and haven't for a long time, even when we don't actually kill them. I ain't in your lands, but these fuckers have always been disruptive by nature, and this is what happens when you're a hippie who doesn't know nature in practical terms.They often just go into hare burrows and murder them for shits and giggles dude, and their hyper aggression is needless. They're not good by default.>>150779385Majority of where I buy is local redistributors which comes from more national people since we had an internal campaign to boost internal consumption, works pretty well. I ain't doxing myself but we do love roasted piglet.China are investing, they've not done so for many decades to the point their capital has permanent smog. Don't you whataboutisms me, this is relevant. You are correct, we are all working for a better future in the little ways as individuals, and perhaps larger as organizations, but we are working together, but if you want some major changes, politics are the way to go.If you're worried about emissions, as a woof you should actually destroy private jets, not destroy public ones and bomb airports. If you're a woof who sucks at politics, you cultivate individually nature. If you're a woof who sucks even at that, use agression in what matters and hurts as less as possible. There are bigger targets out there than just this shit, but the important is, Humanity isn't American, and the books consumerisms isn't eternal anyways, so hating Humans is retarded.
>>150779445I don't think they have ones since the O'Tolley's incident is happening concurrently.With this many PCs, it might be the GM running separate sessions that all take place around the same time in-game. It's hard to get people together to play since everyone has different schedules.
So Marckus is like uber dead at this point right?
>>150775715Also important to note this is from two layers of information>Book says it's associated with Red Talons>D confirms but is nebulous on it>Amanda (post delirium and traumatized) says Matilda's back has a scar that looks like it and specifically not a tattoo
>>150779575Nah.But I'm betting he'll come out of all of this having both awakened and losing an eye.
>>150779236Reality has layers and whats true in one is true in another.One reality God's angels breathe life into the world, in another chemicals mix and merge and in turn create life, in a third Gaia decided she wanted kids.All true at once. Of course that means that everything that fucked it up for everyone else is also true so you've got the original sin on top of the Wyrm going batshit with a side of cosmic horror waiting in the wings to render all existence into entropic soup.
>tfw you wrote a 10.5k word smutfic about Matilda>and she then turns out to be a red talon, so, mainly an animalhm.well then.
>>150779575Unlikely, I think Kitten being the one who wrote that paper on the black Shuck means he has the info Matilda and her pack want.
>>150776061>aren't ready>forced to fight something they weren't prepared for anywaySeems a lot like the Pyotr situation, that's just how it is at times
>>150779457>We keep them in control because wolves and more don't and haven't for a long time, Because we killed the wolves and kept the boars which has given them a massive population advantage. Factor in all the pigs that have escaped from farms as well. But as aggresiv as the boar is, has it driven anything towards extinction in Europe? Has the boars killed off all the hares...of course it might do so now because we killed the animals that prey on them. >If you're worried about emissions, as a woof you should actually destroy private jets, I'm already against those, for the most part.
>>150779122>Which is? I didn't read any of the Horus Heresy books.Dont. Tldr>*smash* >that idiot magnus broke my lab. Now i need a megapsyker to sit on my chair while i fix it>hey horus tell russ to go get magnus so i can spank him>hey russ dad says kill magnus for witchcraft dont question it bro>"okay sure ill bring my own witches and also witch custodes and witch sisters. You can never have too many witches when killing someone for the crime of having witches">"Their shields are down, they're hailing us! Thank god this can be resolved peacefully, its the perfect conditions for a suprise attack!">magnus does not command his army, wolves still eat shit>despite overwhelming odds russ "ThE eXeCuTiOnEr" fails to actually kill magnus AND fails to destroy the thousand sons legion >also failed to kill horus and jobbed to the lion, and would have died for a mutual kill against angron (could not maneuver to save his own life against an opponent with actual brain damage)>no magnus means no chair, so no webway and no emperor to command his legions in the heresyRuss did more for chaos than most chaos legions ever did. Also ironically between 1k sons legionaires, warbands, blackshields rolling into the white scars, the grey knights and blood ravens, there are currently dozens of times more surviving 1k sons marines than space wolves with their *checks notes* zero successor chapters
>>150779859>despite overwhelming odds russ "ThE eXeCuTiOnEr" fails to actually kill magnus AND fails to destroy the thousand sons legionBecause Magnus sold himself and his legion to Tzeench at the last second and got teleported
>>150779859>the werewolf was retarded
>>150779859>>150779890>”Why does everyone forget I punched out one of his hearts?!”
>>150779911Just a flesh wound
>>150779767>Because we killed the wolves and kept the boars which has given them a massive population advantage.We haven't fucked with wolves for a good long while Anon. The boars have been a problem in the last 30 years, one thankfully curbed by the addition of human hunters. Pigs here barely can escape in a theoretical much less practical, they don't need to do this because Hogs reproduce at inherently unsustainable levels even with healthy wolf populations, they're exponential if you let them be. They do basically wipe entire ecosystems worth of hares and rabbits yes, most of the safe spaces for hares ironically end up existing in the fringes of more rural areas with hunters, where boar rarely go (but still sometimes damage personal property like cars and more for fun, yes for fun they have no reason to go there). We need to cull them, actively, and I'm incredibly thankful there exist human hunters bringing balance to the ecosystem, bagging elk deer hare and more that are in excess, even if we can't quite cull boar because they run for over a kilometer when shot and not all of them are in approachable or legal areas to shoot, or reasonable ones for hunting to begin with.You don't know what you're talking about in terms of the ecology of my region Anon. Its not unsurprising, very few people do, but you pretending as if you actually understand the reality of my world, one you have likely never stepped on as a tourist, much less lived on, marks you with the arrogance of Garou. You don't know.Do you know how a Garou could help my place?>Partial hog genocide>Fertilizing the inner woods so more life sprouts>Political acumen to engage with hunting culture and also real world beuatification to use Humans as a source of balance and avoid those exports>Encourage smaller farms and self reliance on a lot of the population or co-op farms>Smashing all the fucking Tuk Tuks filled with drugs and beating drug dealers the hell upDone.
>>150779669source, anon?
>>150778070>Killed so many humans during prehistory that we now have an instinctive fear of them (this is why the Delirium exists)>Werewolves were the soldiers of shifters, meaning that the other roles focused outside rampant murder are almost nonexistent. They're a sledgehammer and every issue looks like a nail.>Tons of infighting among tribes for how to stop the Wyrm, with some going full on EAT ALL HUMANS, SECOND IMPERGIUM NOW>Generally so prone to berserking that they have a hard time fitting in with human society even putting aside their supernatural war>Some are actual wolves that gained intelligence, and have an even harder time integrating>Careless groups can cause a lot of collateral damage, ie raiding an Amazon warehouse and killing a lot of innocent workers instead of focusing on the actual, literal death cultists and demons in chargeAs a whole they're fighting an important war, but D was right when he said the bulk are Neo-pagan theocrat berserkers. Something like a Red Talon splattering too many civilians during their raids is exactly the sort of thing that puts them in a Hunter's sights.
I have been obsessing for hours now over this thing and the ramifications of what it means for the HtP universe.
>>150779964https://archiveofourown dot org/works/64589266I think I'll write more once we get even a crumb more of Matilda dialogue. So, in like a year.
>>150778831So let me get this straight...>Humanity are blessed by the Weaver as her chosen species, granting them intelligence and an unrivalled advantage over the rest of the animal kingdom.>Humanity uses this advantage to cause several instances of extinction and in order to invade every available ecosystem.>When the Garou, the species assigned with enforcing Gaia's balance, notices the imbalance caused by humanity, they correctly identify humanity as a problem, noticing humanity's potential for trouble. As humanity's supremacy is what eventually leads to the Apocalypse, they're right to be suspicious of mankind.>The enforcers of Gaia's balance take action against mankind in the form of the Impergium and for as long as the Impergium lasts, human progress is stalled and the ecological damage that humanity causes is quashed as well.... All I'm getting from this is that werewolves were right from the very beginning and their only mistake was that they stopped the Impergium, or that they didn't take it further with outright extermination. The Garou correctly identified a problem and took action against it in accordance with their duty.
>>150779998TOGO?!GOTO?!C. S. GOTO?!WARHAMMER 41K CONFIRMED?!
>>150779946>You don't know what you're talking about in terms of the ecology of my region AnonAnd you refuse to say that region that is so how can I.
>>150779890>>150779911Resulting in, technically, a magnus who is less dead than ever>>150779903Every time
>>150780041You wouldn't anyways even if you did know it, which you don't. Pretending you do is nonsense, especially when you clearly don't get the hint I gave you, if you don't know easily from that then you wouldn't know my region in niche matters like that anyways.Even if you knew my area, chances are very low, and if the identifying hint rings 0 bells, the chances are zero. Not rocket science.
>>150776594>>150776582You will RP breeding slaves in your games and you will be happy
>>150780090Well you mention tuk tuk filled with drugs and my knowledge on European drug trade is limited, I don't know what country has tuk tuk filled with drugs but Wikipedia tells me they are popular in France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, UK and Montenegro. But boars has been in all regions for thousands of years, one part of me wants to say you're from Montenegro but all this writing shows you have energy. People from Montenegro are lazy
>>150780171One of those is correct, and I doubt you have a beyond surface knowledge of the biome health of the countryside of France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, UK or Montenegro, especially in regards to sustainable farming practices and boar, but I can state that yes, I am not a lazy ass from Montenegro. They'd have given up 1 post in and went for a nap, the little lazy fuckers.
>>150780079ignore previous dumb discussion post leman and magnus kissing
>>150777616I kind of wonder what the arc following this will be as we seem to be moving and introducing more splats, probably mages next?
>>150780297Probably get back to the actual fucking ghoul still amongst them.
>>150777875sauce?
>>150780250You're right, I only speak from what I learn. I learned that boars are a huge problem in areas where they lack Predators, like in the USA. In my own nation of Sweden we don't hear a lot about the boar but I do hear constantly about how wolves are being hunted. Seems that it's enough for them to be outside their designated area once and the government calls for a cull, just recently I read about how one wolf attack injured 47 sheep's (yeah right). The farmers wants the wolves gone but doing that is just going to hurt us in the long run And you know plenty about people from Montenegro so that makes you Italian
>>150780355Not him but maybe it's dance in the vampire bund? I barely recall details of that series but it did have vampires and werewolves and did often go into details about their cultures.
>>150780355Dance in the vampire bund
>>150780417Actually not italian either. In case the thread dies, good talk, busy now.
>>150779998I think it was a funny recording gag where someone (Karl the deranged?) burst into the recording session and everyone stayed in character to yell at him so they left it in with no explanation.
>>150776527>Red TalonNO ANON! SHE WILL NOT HAVE YOU. NOT THAT WAY!
>>150780554Good talk
>>150777336>Redcap faerie eating people that he skewered by pushing off into a spiked iron fence.I thought that was a vampire...the name eludes me, that one clan that is cursed to eat flesh instead ingredients of drinking blood and they act all posh and proper to compensate for eating habits they find disgusting
>>150776731>The Technocracy
>>150780656What if I let her destroy my human intelligence and reduce me to a primordial state of existence? Is she into petplay?
>>150777336>his first real interaction with the supernatural seems to have been some kind of Redcap faerie eating people that he skewered by pushing off into a spiked iron fence.Interesting theory but that was most likely a Dunsirn, they're a bloodline of Clan Giovanni made up of scottish bankers who like to eat human flesh, they don't even need to do it like the Nagaraja they're just fucked up like that. The only Redcap in this show is Grimal
>>150774762Mathilda being a Red Talon now makes more sense that her interest was piqued when she heard "walkie"
>>150779998Imagine if ever hunter group got there own orko fey thing following them around
>>150779445I think they actualy couldnt attend that day and just told everyone play on without them. I think the players arn't too intrested in things unless its about killing something or doing RP with eachother.
Fuck off, Togo.
>>150775148>glasswalker symbol is a spiderweb>matilda has a spider crawling on her before she gauntletsNah
>That ending where Fatigue is told he did everything wronglmao what is that shite. Who wrote that
>>150776843>There is no other way of making werewolves.Though there may be hypothetical ways. Because Fera are entirely capable of turning normal humans into Fera. Would require the Garou to get over some of their collective issues, though. And even then, the Impergium may've forever locked them out of that route.
>>150781086>Got the name of his guide wrong>Understanding of werewolves was wrong>Understanding of the political stability and safety of his expedition was wrong>Understanding of his own father was wrongNo seems pretty cut and dry
>>150781300>Kids weren't dead>The locals were literally working with werewolves, the guys who are basically at fault for half the things wrong in WOD>Fatigue himself didn't do shit and actively refused the wolf skin >"YOU MUST PAY FOR THE SINS OF YOUR FOREBEARERS!!!!"
>>150781334>Local hunters gutted by his dad and woefully undersupplied to deal with the supernatural>Still a hunter, and remembers his missionYeah still pretty cut and dry
>>150781300See>>150781334The locals were cunts and blamed him for everything where he did nothing damning. Sins of the father faggotry
>>150779669>and she then turns out to be a red talon, so, mainly an animalI wouldn't be so sure about that, anon. Matilda is WAY too civil for a Red Talon. Just the fact that she listens to podcasts, wears pins and maintains even the slightest decorum of civility towards other humans means she'd have to AT THE VERY LEAST be a "Whelp's Promise" RT.
>>150778152Honestly it makes better sense. They were, but they incubated over a long long period of history as mankind grew.>The More creative we became with violence and war, Khorne grew>The more clever and learned we got, Tzeentch grew>Nurgle simply fucking is because he's the circle of life in all forms beautiful and disgusting>Slaanesh is the youngest because Humans are unique in how we cultivate the concept of hedonismI imagine for Slannesh, the Greek bacchanalian delights are like a tiny crappy keyboard crumb compared to whatever filth a citizen of the Imperium does to take a load off.
>>150781334>"YOU MUST PAY FOR THE SINS OF YOUR FOREBEARERS!!!!"Why not when he benefits from their actions
>>150781362see >>150781358Short sighted
>>150781375>Why not when he benefits from their actionsNigga what fucking benefit? Getting a talon shot into his ass? Having his friend's eye plucked out? He refused to become a Stolen Moon. It's not like he was some big shot rich guy who used his wealth, either, he specifically had to steal from the arcanum to give to the asians.
>>150781375Benefits? He told them to fuck off when they told him about skinwalking
>>150781402And his dad was ready to kill him for it. Stolen Moons aren't known for being rational or sane
How is this all going to end?
>>150781374But this makes the galaxy incredibly small and pathetic, if one small planet could birth 3 chaos gods but it took an entire galaxy of elves to create the fourth.
>>150781424What, this arc or the HtP storyline?I expect it will go all the way to a near apocalypse, then get canceled.
>>150781400>>150781402Ok I admit this one was a bad example because I was thinking in the grand scheme of colonization.
>>150780966Is there any confirmation that HtP is based on a campaign they're doing? Sounds accurate enough with the way characters realistically fumble
>>150781460>the grand scheme of colonization.You mean the scheme in with the british had absolutely no fucking involvement with in regards to the Philipines? The ones who colonized the philipines were spain and later america.
>>150778170Yes. With the Norfolk specific Domination juice that was mentioned in the ghoul audiolog. I am surprised more people don't bring that up.
>>150781429Well not birth, feed. Remember, of all races in all Warhammer, Chaos finds Humans the *most* interesting of all. They didn't have to be active during say WWI, but in the background they would like sponge the emotions up passivly.
>>150781371That's I guess fair, and makes the smutfic less questionable. A good thing.I'm a Werewolf lorelet because vamps are my jam instead, but is there any particular significance to this assembly of vague notes?>the OG Red Talon symbol was three claw marks on the chest of some werewolf who asked the proto-Red Talon rep for a name and got vague waffling and then a strike to the chest>Matilda has some sort of three-claw scar somewhere>Big D very visibly now has a three-claw scar, also on the chest>Horse had a prophecy about the Patriarch mastering Luna, ending up hamstrung and wishing for death yet not receiving any mercy for he offered none
>>150776576The Red Talons aren't stupid despite how everyone views them. They send their wisest and most restrained ones to the cities because they can tolerate being around humans. From there you get the PC Red Talons who are given justification for being less like a regular Red Talon (while the player forgets they are supposed to be wolves).Their seemingly apparent stupidity is their deliberate rejection of human norms and common sense as they cleave to the wolf and reject their human side.
>Sins of the father don't apply to youThroughout the majority of human history, you were just an extension of your family and that trumped your individual existence. This was doubly true for families of notable lineage. Wernon has to act as an extension of the Fatigue bloodline, and since he became the head of it chose to change course.
>>150781565Yes, very wise and very restrained.
>>150781614
>>150781560No, you can't become a werewolf, if that's what you're thinking. The closest you can get to is uh...well, what we just saw in this latest story.It's actually an important sideplot because werewolves NEED humans to breed with to increase their numbers. They can't bang each other because it creates some fucked up incest wolf creature. Werewolf ladies are, quite literally canonically made for human men...or, well, kinfolk men to be more exact, but you get kinfolk by banging humans so same thing.
Okay so... Werewolves cant be "created" like in fiction where a bite from one spreads it?
>>150781575Tradition is peer pressure from dead people.It's still a little weird he got that much flack for it all, it's not like he asked to be a coloniser's crotch spawn.Refusing to participate in the dog skinning should've gotten him some brownie points, Britishness aside.I hope got some sweet first time girly action with a cutie from the Philippines at least.
>>150781684>Werewolf ladies are, quite literally canonically made for human menSomebody at WoD knew what was good.We all know Matilda isn't gonna be lacking any suitors.
>>150781687No, see >>150776843 for werewolf reproduction. It's a bit weird.
>>150781684I wasn't quite thinking of D getting werewolf'd, that'd be too obvious and too simple. But maybe some sort of curse, or a specific power to achieve some sort of result, steer the Hunters in a needed, maybe a more violent and thus predictable direction?
>>150781691I agree, he needed some correction for his level of condescension and disinterest in the actual people of the philipines true. But the first thing he experiences after finding out his entire family is horrible monsters, almost being killed by said monsters, and then having that family killed in front of him is a lecture.Like not even a moment to breath after that. I can get where its coming from though, Wayda wont know if hes going to try something after seeing his family die.I think in general the whole "abandon your village im hurting you to help you" stuff the expedition was doing was meant to parallel the wolves idiotic "surely violence will solve this problem violence is creating" habits.
Did they just not want to redo the line
>>150781745Some people have taken to "wanting death but receiving none" as that someone will be forcibly embraced.
>>150781560I think mastering Luna could be a sort of foreshadowing to him actually getting the werewolves to agree for once but then something happens to Marcus or he learns of Ross, therefore not getting any emotional mercy as he essentially did it to himself? That's my hypothesis on it
So what about the other were-creature. Like reptile and sharks? Is there a wereape?
>>150781788probably thought it was funny
>>150781788Someone probably thought it was funny enough to include anyway.
>>150781803https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/FeraYep, sharks have a fair amount of stuff written about them too.
>>150781803Yes, there are other shapeshifters, but they're either very rare due to being almost exterminated by the werewolves in the distant past, or they're artificially created by an evil megacorporation.
>>150781684The only way is to introduce "those other werewolves" or reveal he was a werewolf all along. Or they decide to take a gamble and introduce stuff from the Forsaken that is popular to include like the Wolfblooded spiritual curse brands.
>>150781803There's were-lots of shit. A funny, strong Red Talon power is 'summon a rampaging pack of were-crocodiles outta fucking nowhere'. Which is something I really want to see some use, in a game or something else. Just one werewolf is a nightmare, imagine a pack of them, but they're fucking crocodiles.
>>150781788Maybe both, or maybe just fits with D being aloof and somewhat negligent of others
So who was D on the phone with at the very start? Door? Or another son? Is Robert Girlyman coming with some liquid silver?
>>150781868What the narrative explanation for that? Are they the actual Werecrocs or just something that looks like it. Hard to imagine one of the most violent of the tribes summoning groups they previously genocided
>>150781800Would be ironic if it's Door, to match with Ross
>>150779669She still might not be. The fact that Matilda even entertained the idea of living as a human for as long as she did even if for the sake of stealth mission suggests either she is the most tolerant Red Talon to ever exist, or her scar is from a fight and not of a rite of passage. Likely the latter, considering we saw her use what looked to be either Gift of the Termite or Paper Butterfly, neither of which belong to Red Talons.
>>150781888Obviously Door.
>>150781888I hope we see Robert with his clearly not-fae wife
>>150781687No, however certain other types of shifters have methods that are functionally similar or could theoretically or hypothetically have them. Corax have a ritual to bind an immature spirit to a human child to "adopt" them.>>150781803>Is there a wereape?The Yeren are a mockery breed of were-aped created by Pentex. They similarly have a known method of turning humans into more of themselves, but they're far more overt. They're sadistic, greedy sons of bitches, and their method of induction is hazing a prospective member through a rape ape sexual assault and murder spree.
>>150774898From the sounds of what she was saying during her doom spiraling her parents did a double suicide, Which is uh rather fucked up and makes me wonder what the context to such a thing was?but yeah she seem to have the absolute shittiest luck
>>150781828so coooool
Quickly, I need celestial shaman queen screen caps.
>>150781439That and the series as a whole. I want them all to come out of it ok enough. Markus doesn't deserve this.
>>150774762>His name is Kronik FatigueSomething you want to tell us Alpha?
>>150782127Depends on what Marcus made contact with in the Umbra. Either he royally screws over the Garou by attracting a powerful spirit, or it gives him an edge so they can't just kill him(and given his autistic ramblings that might be very tempting for a short tempered Red Talon)
>>150781901It's specific to the African Red Talons and its text basically is 'Red Talons agreed to stop being bitches for five seconds if that meant they get lots of were-crocodiles in return'.>When the Red Talons first came to Africa and struck their deal with the Mokolé, the mighty werecrocodiles agreed that if the Garou could breed with the hunting dogs and do their appointed task in Africa without making war on the other Fera, they could stay. The Red Talons have (thus far) made good on their promises, and the eldest of the Kucha Ekundu have been rewarded with this Gift. The werewolf may call upon the Mokolé-mbembe for aid, in battle or otherwise. The spirits of the Dragon Kings teach this Gift.>System: The player spends two Gnosis points and rolls Charisma + Rituals (difficulty 7). If the roll succeeds, the Garou receives aid within the hour, whether it’s from a local clutch or from the spirits who witnessed the pacts between the Memory of Gaia and the Garou. The Storyteller has the final say over exactly what form the Garou’s succor takes, but it might range from rampaging werecrocodiles arriving to fight with the Kucha Ekundu to great ancestor-spirits called forth by the Mokolé to give the Garou advice.
>>150782156>Matilda>short temperedWould be ironic if what Markus was playing around with was actually just his avatar
>>150782116I don't know what you need this for but alright
>>150779998Togo's a Changeling, likely a Boggan due to his short and squat appearance which is typical of that Kith, his claim of being summoned to help by the characters' despair also lines up with the Boggan's weakness of being uncontrollably empathetic and helpful. You'll notice Togo both levitates and is able to teleport, this means he's likely a rather powerful Changeling and a master of, at the very least, the Art of Wayfare. Another thing you might be wondering about is why no one had mentioned Togo up until this point despite the fact he's clearly familiar to everyone at the chapter house, this may be due to the Mists, the metaphysical veil that causes ordinary humans to forget about Changelings and Fae magics once they're out of sight, the characters might not be aware of Togo's existence when he's not onscreen OR he may have actually taken part in the events of the previous episodes but wasn't shown to simulate that we the viewers have forgotten about him due to the Mists setting in.
>>150781828>You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
>>150782169Yes, she has shown an insane amount of restraint, but she is still Red Talon. She's more than likely the one with the highest kill count.
>>150774762ya
I fucking hate Togo. He ruins every scene he's in. Like during the climax of episode 3 when he started making his stupid jokes when Piotr was getting roasted by Kitten. Fuck Togo.
>>150781086I was following along until that pointIt would have been better If instead It was>Your dad was a shitty guy but you were just a child trying to follow his parent >I know but I still feel horrible is there something I can do to help?>Yea sure
>>150782428Or when he was trying to help D convince Kevin to join him, fuck Togo.
>>150782428I absolutely hated his voices he gave his characters during the boy audio log He was trying to be way to professional
>>150782116
>>150782428Who's Togo?
Fatigue's dad? Did nothing wrong. Weaver was in the right, gaia lost and wyrms are next on the chopping block.
>>150782428>>150782469True. I fucking hated when he overdid the wrestling commentary bit too, Marcus and Door had it down perfectly and then he just had to keep fucking introducing these whole ass segments of explaining wrestling to us like we're fucking retards that can't into context. I don't know who keeps writing Togo, Alfabusa, but fucking fire them.
>>150782443On the one hand, yes but>Fatigue in a self-defeating downwards spiral>Clearly borderline sociopathic xenophobic christian huntard ladyIt makes sense that it somewhat plays out the way it did though the presentation isn't the best
You know, I can't even remember a single scene where I'm glad Togo was there to lighten the mood.
Wait are the nails of christ catholic? Are they supposed to be the good guys? Really? Catholics?
>>150782726T. Protestant
>>150781468No we are just goofing, HtP is a written story
>>150781845Introducing the Uratha or similar could be interesting, but the Uratha would 100% brand the Garou as Pure and want them all exterminated for their innumerable crimes and chronic retardation.
>>150782338She mentioned doing things "Stig's way from the start" before Raging, meaning Stig is either an even more bloodthirsty and traditionalist Red Talon or a very feral Get. So I'd bet on him having a higher body count.
>>150775151Oi mate you a vegan or something?Elise is top quality waifu
>>150781468>>150782780I wouldn't be surprised if they based some segments off of including dice rolls to determine outcomes, and writing off of that. They did it with TTS near the end.
>>150782872I would bang everyone in this picture for hours at a time.
The plan to kidnap children seems stupid to me. Aside the rebels who didn't pose must of threat until end what was stopping lord Fatigue expedition to force his way against the locals wishes? Feel like an overly convoluted plan to make him incredible evil and force the white guilt narrative. Aside from that great episode.
>>150783098Yeah I feel that should have been having him trying to slaughter a bunch of other shifters or that he was a black spiral dancer
>>150782845I suspect that Matilda might not be a Red Talon, but has that scar from Stig who is.
>>150776731I really hope they bring in some of the Ht:V hunter organizations. Some of the American organizations are rad as fuck. Like The Union and Taskforce: VALKYRIE. Though they're probably going to stick with oWoD orgs like FIRSTLIGHT.Seeing the Mortician's Army would be pretty dope.
>>150783098The plan, as I understand it, was they kidnapped the local children to create enough disturbance/panic in the populace to allow them into their lands to do their expedition (as was stated at some point in the actual episode) under the pretense of giving aide.From there the plan is conjecture. They likely either planned to "educate" the children in their colonialism, or return the children after they had a new stolen moon and present the corpse of the werewolf as the perpetrator to make the locals like them more. Killing the children would have been detrimental to the plan if this is the case since if they had good relations or made the locals feel they owed them a debt, then they'd be able to more freely use their lands as werewolf hunting grounds.But one of the parents, Wayda, did not get delirium from their warforms and was also part of a different hunter sect which threw the biggest wretch into the plan since she was able to remember what the kidnapper looked like. She cooperated with them up until a point where she was able to confirm her suspicions that they were the true kidnappers, then moved to have them killed. The other rebels threw a wrench into HER plans though which (I think) tipped off the dad and uncles enough in advance to transform before the explosives went off.
Togo isn't real.
>>150783098>The plan to kidnap children seems stupid to me.The children wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between them and the real werewolves, the parents couldn't see it happen or wouldn't survive to tell it wasn't actual werewolves, and in turn the expedition gets the kids for any of a variety of reasons from hostages if the natives turn hostile, reeducating as useful colonial subjects, or merely returning them at the end to win the natives over.>to make him incredible evil and force the white guilt narrative. That's the point, yes. That he's an evil colonizer. Not a scholar like Fatigue thought, and barely even a real hunter since he wasn't chasing anything truly threatening to humans, just what gave him and his family more personal power and lands to enforce it in.
>>150783244>But it's not the stig, it's the stig's werewolf cousin! >*A raging garou bursts from a garage and starts attacking May*>*Hammond and Clarkson laugh as May screams in terror*>"Needless to say, May was having trouble working with the stig's cousin"
>>150775151Imagine not wanting Psycho Pentex Pussy
>>150784007Does that pussy transmit Wyrm corruption like a sexual disease?
Is the Russ stand-in going to be whoever told Matilda not to kill everyone before she left or the pink shirt guy from Plane Police Work?
>>150784049Doubt it. Russ/Ross seems to be a BSD working for Pentex.
>>150784007That pussy is loaded up with more STDs than a Slaaneshi daemonette.
>>150783954
>>150784049Nope, they have different voice actors.
>>150775206The last thing kinfolk see before being made into breeding stock.
>>150784049Matilda's mission control in ch5 is officially credited as "Jambles". We know nothing else save for the fact that he's most likely a Glass Walker.
>>150783709>>150783930NTA, but both of those are messed up to use kids as mere pawns in one's own goals.That said, some people can't seen to digest that white people did fucked up shit alot back then, and just accept it for what it was and move on to be better than our ancestors. It's not *that* hard.
>>150784085>>150784158>>150784197So pink shirt guy is the Russ stand-in?Will he be a son of Big D? I wonder how that will work.
>>150783709See this is were it falls apart for me, Lord Fatigue colonial interests seems pointless and directionless. We see him trying to convince he locals with promises of jobs and money one moment and then ignoring them the next because capturing a werewolf is what actually matters to him. It feels like there should have been another character funding the expedition for more mundane concerns that they could put as precursor of Pentex interests and the influence of the wyrm.
>>150784318Why not both, spreading the interest of the empire and his own in one sweep.
Sometimes hearing Kevin's voice come out of young Fatigue's mouth was distracting.
>>150784318Because much like some real Colonialists, they didn't give any shit about the locals. They came from a "Enlightened" civilization, and to someone who feels that entitled, the average person in some island is just a unevolved monkey in a mud hut.A convenient excuse to do awful things; one heard many many times then, today, and probably in the future.
>>150784318>Lord Fatigue colonial interests seems pointless and directionless.>promises of jobs and money one moment and then ignoring them the next because capturing a werewolf is what actually matters to him.Yes, that is how colonialism fucking works. There's no "greater goal" in going into foreign territory and extracting their resources than just getting those resources. The only difference here is that Kronik just wanted the werewolf. That's the resource. And making promises to the locals only to then ignore them or worse is colonialism 101.
>>150783954>>150783244What car would a Werewolf like? Offroad 4x4's? Big loud American Motorcylcles? Just anything outdoorsy?
>>150784318And add another character for everyone to keep track of? The cast is bloated enough as it is.
>>150784400Jeeps because they don't know better
>>150784248Probably>bad parenting causes poorly raised woof son to turn to black spiral dudeor>he's playing the long game against pentex
>>150784400Cars are pollution machines. Maybe they're dumb enough to be tricked into buying teslas.
>>150784390this
>>150784420cast is very bloated right now since the arcanum is a big focus on the plot right now though I think by the end we'll probably go back to just the family again
>>150784431How do you play the long game against pentex without becoming horrifically corrupted in the process?
>>150781529>Norfolk specific Domination juiceRefresh my memory?
>>150784472Plot armor?
>>150784224Nationalists and white supremacists tend to have that idiotic belief of their entire nation and/or race being one single body, ala Hobbes' Leviathan. So they tend to assume showing anyone from their perceived groups as ever having been in the wrong compared to someone else is a personal attack on everyone else within their group. It's the same kind of narrative that leads them to think anyone who fits their national and racial profile but thinks differently is a "mental disease".Or, the more pathetic and simplistic alternative, the kind of nationalist/white supremacist that turns to those ideologies merely because the only worth they find in their own lives is that they were born in the right place. So suggesting someone else from elsewhere might have ever had a point about it is deeply offensive to them.
>>150784400>What car would a Werewolf like?There is only one correct answer>The General Lee is actually an automotive totem, deriving its name from one of the most famous white trash vehicles ever: the orange muscle car featured on the Dukes of Hazzard. Followers of this totem quest for the car of their dreams, one that they can worship far more than any animal spirit or urban Incarna.>After dedicating themselves to “the General,” the pack hunts to find a neglected, rusting hulk of a car. Typically, a Bone Gnawer in the pack begins slaving over this monumental gift to at least get the deathtrap running. Some Bone Gnawers transform these cars into shrines to the totem, often by propping them up on cement blocks in their front yards. With the help of their pack totem, it’s gradually transformed into a paragon of automotive excellence. There’s a reason for this: the car serves as a temperamental totem-spirit, one that can’t enter the spirit world, but can still serve as reliable transportation.>As the pack’s Theurge advances in rank, the lemon is gradually transformed. A fostern can actually drive his “totem car” around, although it’s still a sputtering heap held together by spit and bailing wire. Adren drive masterworks of automotive engineering with whisper quiet engines; reduce all difficulties for Drive rolls with the car by 1. An athro’s car never runs out of gasoline, while an elder can actually drive his car into the Umbra. If the car is actually destroyed, its spirit “slumbers in the Umbra” for a full cycle of the moon, then returns to a new set of wheels (and the rusting chassis attached to them) chosen by the pack.>Most worshippers of the General can be identified by the wrenches in their back pockets, oil stains on their clothing or the thunderous sound of their stock cars tearing through the streets. Yee-haw!
>>150784472Well Pentex is technically just one head of the hydra and they kill themselves about as much as they try to kill werewolves. Real mystery is how to avoid even being noticed. There are banes literally everywhere, even in cans of soda.
>>150784664If a bane is like a virus, maybe there is an antibody spirit counterpart?Ingest enough of that and you can slow the corruption.
Does any major group in the WoD universe NOT do insane and obscene amounts of infighting?I guess it's inevitable in a setting that relies first and foremost on subterfuge and intrigue that characters would stumble on each other's toes constantly, but I still would assume at least one of these mystical groups would have enough of a magical interconnection to not be fucking stabbing each other in the back constantly.
>>150784472He might just simply be wrong, and be one of the reasons why D is so anal about gatekeeping information until he feels his children/apprentices are ready to deal with it.I wonder if there's a Corvus Corax and Vulkan in this story and what they're up to, possibly still having brotherly shenanigans somewhere else.
>>150784768it's a roleplay heavy game, your expected to mostly sit at a table either arguing or plotting. given that each splat is focused on a respective monster rather then being a monster mash the end result is that the games are mostly about arguing with and plotting against the same creature that you play as
Do you think Amanda is Wayda's descendant?
>>150784624Well put anon.
>>150784224>>150784624Blaming the 99% that did nothing wrong for the actions of 1% is fucking retarded. Even by blood. Because it's like saying that all Asians owe reparations for the actions of Genghis Khan.
>>150784934That's what I thought the twist was gonna be and would explain why the delirium didn't fully affect this wagieAlso she mentioned her parents killed themselves so maybe that's what cut her off from her family history
>>150784964Then it's a good thing that's precisely not what we're fucking saying. "Just accept white people did some fucked up shit and try to do better" is not saying you personally owe reparations.
>>150784964That's the extreme opposite and just as stupid. But when white guilt comes up, it's not about going "Mea Culpa" and whipping yourself over the sins of the past.It's looking at the past, knowing, and actively deciding to just be a better person. How?Treat others decently, don't look for excuses to just hate. Understand that pure hate is just bad for the soul, and overall just be a good human being. Like I said, it's not that hard. It's passive. You don't have to be bleeding heart about it. Just don't be a jagoff.
>>150784378Thats true on a national scale, but all nations are evil. On the individual scale things get conplicated. Philippinos speak philippino and not spanish because the spanish linguist they sent over constructed a language for them out of their existing dialects and its actually aomewhat decent. Even people from colonialist cultures could often be good anthropologists with respect for the people they worked with, rare though it was. Or, in places like singapore a lot where also just in it for bussy. I guess thats technically a recource, but the singaporeans where also in it for bussy so...
>>150784986>>150785011this xisters, so much this
>>150785094Do you feel you need to be a bleeding heart? You really don't have to. Just walk down the street and try to see things in a sense of normalcy. It's not some mental stage show of races dancing and clapping hands. It's people just like you going about their day.
>>150784986Individuals doing fucked up shit doesn't mean that anyone with a superficial commonality should be assigned communal sin for their actions. That is warped and perverse.This shit isn't even on topic anymore.
>>150785226Are you just repeating yourself without actually reading what we're saying?
>>150785126>be nice in your own life Is a nice sentiment, but i dont think you understand how deep and how recent colonialism is. I personally benefit from 3rd world poverty on pretty much a daily basis. I try to get chocolate that isnt made by child labour but my hospitals are still staffed with imported nurses and doctors and immigrants have double the rates of higher degrees, my entire economy is kept afloat by extracting the resources of the third world. If you think thats too vague, try this. There are caste-based gay sex slaves who were caned on the ass by corporate colonial masters who are still alive today. None of that is hyperbole or a joke. Funny though it may seem, those people and their children and grandchildren still live with the direct concequences and literal scars of that legacy
>>150785226But it's *in* the episode. It's a major factor of it. So it must be addressed, ugly as it is. >>150785260This is what I meant earlier in the thread. Some people just can't wrangle with the concept of White Guilt without feeling personally attacked, or like they need to be "bleeding heart" about it.It's passive, it's not some special action you need to take. You just do it by simple being a good person.
>>150785126preach!we wh*te pe*ple just NEED. TO. DO. BETTER.
>>150785287You are correct. It's hard to wrangle feelings on that, even today as it's still being done. What can one realistically do? Or deal with such feelings?I'll tell you what, I'm not going to bolt for the darkness of ignorance and just say "whatever" at least. I can at least confess I don't know what the proper course can even be with stuff like what you said.
>>150785011>>150784986I kind of agree, everyone should try to learn from the mistakes of the past and be better kinder people. However claiming reflection on the fucked up shit our ancestors have done is exclusive to whites is kind of silly, every civilization since the dawn of time has woken up and chosen to murder their neighbours over land and resources, every successful civilization has a genocide or twenty (looking at you china) in their history books. All of humanity should look to the past and try to be better and singling out a single group for this merely isolates them and turns them against each other.
I don't know, anons. I don't see this as about white guilt, white people, colonialism, etc. It's about family legacy. The Fatigues did some questionable things in their hunt for monsters, and Wernon was disgusted by his family's actions. So he wanted to pay off his family's blood debt.
>>150785341>However claiming reflection on the fucked up shit our ancestors have done is exclusive to whitesNobody has claimed that. It's just not the topic right now. And more importantly, you can't do anything about it. That's for others to see and decide on.
>>150785369Brava out in the comments hearting comments saying "OMG you did the themes of colonialism so well!" homegoy
>>150784799Maybe they're on a mission from God in Africa?
>>150784986The problem is that there are people who do think exactly like that. Which is still stupid. People who unironically simp for colonialism are retarded. People who think all white people ever are obligated to pay reparations for things that happened 200 years ago are also retarded. We can spend forever arguing about which of these groups are the most retarded but ultimately it doesn't matter because they're both insanely stupid takes. Unfortunately these camps are polar opposites of one another and both have very vocal people in them so if you say something that doesn't 100% align with one camp's worldview they immediately assume you're part of the other camp because we're not allowed to have nuance in current year.
>>150785317The worst thought is that this might still be the best path. I cant unscar anyone, and through great evil we've created a place where a better life is at least available to those lucky enough to make it here. Plunging whatever good places exist into poverty surely must be worse than expanding them until all places are good. But at what cost? And am i really any better than the people who came before me, to sit in the comfort of stolen wealth merely because i feel bad about it and entertain the thought of eventually returning it to someone's children's children?
>>150785369It is. In this case, the colonialism and white guilt is just the "background". And a way to explain Kronik's attitude.But fundamentally, this is a story about Wernon Fatigue dealing with the fact his family is fucked up and he inadvertently participated in that bullshit.
>>150785376I'm allowed to share my opinions and try to convince people on an anonymous image board, I'm not trying to decide things for people, just sharing a perspective.
>>150774762SEA deserves worse for the actions they commit on these very boards today.
>>150785446>The problem is that there are people who do think exactly like that. Which is still stupid.It is, but as a wise man once said "Don't weep for the stupid, or you'll be crying all day". Just try to be a good person in your day to day, don't support unethical practices, be respectful. You don't need to do anything else. Just be a worthwhile human being.The people who go full self-flagellating about it tend to be performative anyway. They do it more for the approval of some twitter buddy than for genuine guilt. Just ignore them and don't subscribe to it, because at least they're not as destructive as the idiots who follow the opposite way of thinking.>>150785513Nobody has said you're not allowed to share your opinions?
>>150776657You need some of dat dawg in ya already to make another garou from your human loins
I just want to know about White Chuck, Black Sneed is irrelevant because it wasn't censored.
>>150785750>White ChuckObviously he was one of the uncles.
>>150785574I was responding to the statement:> you can't do anything about it. That's for others to see and decide onBy clarifying my intent in making the post.
>>150785821What I meant is that yes, every nation on earth has done fucked up shit at one point or another, but you can't assume responsibility for them because you're not them. We're talking about what whites did wrong now because it's just the topic at hand, and you probably feel like "we only ever talk about what whites did wrong" because you ARE white and navigate english-speaking spaces which will be majority white. You can condemn the awful shit others do though, but again, trying to be decent is up to each person and trying to improve as a society is up to each society.
>>150785923I don't feel like we actually disagree in any major way so I guess we can leave it here, good talking with you :)
>>150779633Oh shit.The coalition is going to team up with the arcanum.Markus is going to encounter Russ and be horribly fucked up by him.
Why everyone lusts after the Catman?
>>150779103The Great Dying was before humans existed.Hell PFAs and microplastics come from processes predating the birth of anyone on /co/.Its true that the individual can do much to mitigate what damage we do to the environment but you arent stopping the primary big problems without genocide of Asia and Africa and yes, also the middle east *and* wiping out every one with a net worth over 50 million usd. Good luck with doing that or blaming anyone else for the state of the world because they dont do that.
>>150785998Unironically he's a decent dude that's fun to hang out with and is smart. If he had a vagina I'd probably go for it.
>>150785998By the standards of other people in the business Kitten is a fucking catch.
>>150784371Earndil has a very distinctive voice unfortunately
>>150775206can we all agree she's totally gay, right?
>>150786148No, she's built for kidnapping and raping me.
>>150785998Kitten is:>Not currently on fire>Mostly mentally stable>Presumably in possession of his own soulIn WoD you're not guaranteed to get TWO of those in a prospective romantic interest, let alone all three.
>>150774762You guys think any of the D clan watches Top Gear? Series 8 premiered in 06.
>>150786148I'd be rather surprised the if ethnonationalists trying to breed more super soldiers to stop the end of the world tolerate that very easily but I guess it's a lot more effort for a girl werewolf than otherwise
>>150786225Honestly Top Gear seems like it'd have a little something for all of the D clan, I could see all of them sitting on the couch and watching it on a slow night
I wonder if Warhammer exists in this WoD setting.A 5th dimensional being calls Big D Big E instead and addresses the rest of the cast by their original names. How would that go down?
>>150785998He owns a house and knows how to cook
>>150784973>Also she mentioned her parents killed themselves so maybe that's what cut her off from her family historyBoth of her parents killed themselves?When they had a kid to care for?That's kind of odd isn't it?Wyrm influence?
>>150786676>"You DARE put MY letter through a Caesar cipher? the most paltry of cryptography?">"Do you remember what happened to Caesar? DO YOU?"
>>150786763When she and kitten were having their wyrm crash out she mentioned her parents couldn't take this reality so I assumed that means they killed themselves possibly due to wyrm influence
