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>>150785710What's togo's classpect?
>>150785710I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU TOGO
Really it's the spiders who's at fault not the werewolves
>>150785710So the flies are the wyrm right?
>>150785710Fuck off Togo.
>>150785710>Tonight on Top Gear>Hammond Sells his souls to the Faye for a mint condition Aston Martin DB5>James gets raped by a Werewolf while driving a smart car>and I show the local Camarilla the power of the Ford F-350
>>150786902>James gets raped by a Werewolf while driving a smart carkek that's something those stupid mutts would do while going on a tirade about the amount of pollution batteries generate.
>>150785710FUCK OFF TOGO I HATE YOU YOU FAE PIECE OF SHIT
Imagine if all psychometrist had to taste things to use their power.
>>150785710NO I REALLY REALLY DON'T WANT TOGO
Is Boy one of the Imbued? Are they going to bring them in? I really like the IDEA of the Imbued
>>150787345Spit might be Imbued, or just needs his meds, but Boy had mage hints I think.
Leave Togo alone, you khaki wearing starbucks sipping nine to five reality tv watching toyota camry driving unwhimsical banal bitches!
>>150787397Giles is pretty skilled in CQC.He managed to fight Kitten to a standstill, and he presumably has been tutored in combat by D.
Just how dangerous is a Stolen Moon compared to a normal Werewolf?
Turns out the eye patch guy here is Pascal.
I HATE TOGO SO MUCH
>>150787458They get warform, but no gifts unless they fuck themselves making pacts with banes
>>150787478Makes me wonder who the three on the far left are if Fatigue's uncles were killed as well
>>150787478Fatigue keeping a healthy distance to make sure he can't piss on his cone
>>150785710hunter: the parenting just makes me miss TTS way more, is like HTP tries to be like TTS sometimes, there is always a secret organization and a secret conspiracy waiting to blow up in a massive web of conspiracies and organizations. it just gets old, like really old.in TTS however we had a few episodes explaining the basic things, the emperor got insanely angry and then things started moving without ever stoping, even worse, Big E/Tzeench/Star Child/Cegorach's plan was never fully divulged, but it was all setting up for a massive godly episode that never came.also im sick of the audiologs, i dont need a 3 hours video of how a vampire goes to the secret mountain to take a secret shit on holy grounds
>>150787458As I understand it...They get the innate physical properties of a Garou's warform - the strength, speed, endurance, durability, keenness of sense - but none of the magic.That is mainly due to Garou magic being sourced from the Wyld, and Skin-dancers/Stolen Moons being more closely aligned with the defiler aspect of the Wyrm.
>>150787522We kinda need the audio logs given just how much World of Darkness lore there is.I really wish we got to see the Captain General duel the Void Dragon however.
>>150787522I miss tts too but I prefer thisHere I feel they can work with the characters more as they can be there own and the story can be as goofy or mysterious as they want it to beAlso they can poke fun at past lore without fans getting mad
>>150787566What sort of gimmick deck would VD have run?
>>150787566i feel is just wasted time, like get to the point or shut up, i dont need to hear how badly Big D wants to fuck a gorilla. i prefer the approach of "show dont tell".now that i think about it i personally believe it would be better if the story relied more in showing and sharing knowledge between characters and the viewers than having long audiologs to explain how something happened sometime ago.>>150787589doesnt matter he would get killed by wind up kitten, like everyone else.
>>150787616>now that i think about it i personally believe it would be better if the story relied more in showing and sharing knowledge between characters and the viewersThat is what the audiologs are thoughInfo about the world through the characters asking questions from someone with experience with it
I kinda hope poppenang delves into the weresharks more, D mentioning their creator by name all but confirms he’s encountered one, and the chulorviahs in NWG might indicate seeing one in the future
>>150787453Giles is fucked now, though. Maybe he needs a swordhand.
>>150787589Vehicroids, Syrus Truesdale from Yugioh GX's deck.
>>150787832Norfolk is on the coast. Time to break out my copy Blood Dimmed Tides.
We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge.
>>150787967In fealty of the chapter master Bruva Alfabusa, and by the grace of the Alpha Legion, I declare exterminatus upon Togo.
>>150787989I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire world, and consign a million souls to oblivion. (Just to get Togo.)
>>150788062kek
>>150788062https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzItS5BmUNw
>>150787589Some limit remover bullshit, hoping for a OTK like all the other decks. Cyber Dragons would be too on the nose, maybe.
>>150787478Looks like the old bloke is grinning cause the Camera doesn't realize who made their "Lemonade"
>>150787503Two of them look like they could be his children or nephews, and the bearded guy I have no idea. Maybe a cousin?
>>150785991Definitely some flavor of Bane.
>>150785710What the FUCK was his problem?
>>150785788Sylph of Rage, almost certainly.
>>150787480If the banes actually decide to help the stolen moon anyway. They're even douchey towards the mockery breeds.
>>150788937True Fae that got itself lost in the wrong gameline.
Has anyone been inspired to play WoD?I myself got the courage to try online games with strangers because of it.
>>150786975Do they preach about the pollution between thrust or mid-thrust?
>>150789436I think one anon ahs been showing off his werewolf character and others have talked about the games they've been playing
>>150789488Between. They tend to get bitey mid-thrust.
>>150789436>online games with strangersHow do you even find a group like that without getting insane degenerates? I'd like to try, that being said though I'm running my own game with irl friends after I convinced them to try it out
>>150789436Yeah, but I'm too busy with an ACKS game.
>>150789549>How do you even find a group like that without getting insane degenerates?You don'tYou usually just groom friends into playing the game or just tell strangers it's not an erp game and hope for the best
>>150789549Anon, it's WoD - the only people interested in playing without needing to be convinced are insane degenerates
>>150789527poor tesla owners (depending on gender)
>>150789584>>150789589Already grooming a group of friends though one is a bit of what I would assume is a degenerate, not the overtly weird kind though but>explain it isn't an ERP game and hope for the bestsounds a bit painful. Semi-erp game would be better than no game at all though especially since I wouldn't need to be ST for once, either way good luck anons. I'd say maybe anons could get a game going but it'd probably devolve into arguing about mages and werewolf breeding again
>>150789549I went on the official WoD discord.I guess that I got lucky twice and got cool people.Worth a shot I think. Right now I just joined a new group as I_am_a_Shark, a cannibal monster, and the campaign has us start right before WW2. Very likely on the Nazi side.
>>150789993>discord group lets you start on the nazi sidekind of based. Is this a W:tA game or other?
>>150790101VTMThe option to join the nazi was on the table and immediately one players wants to become a SS officer. I personally don’t mind because it’s probably the only opportunity to play on the Axis side from an online game.
>>150785991I find it odd that a fly caused Amanda to knock over the bucket which pointed them in the direction of the hidden archives.Is it Wernon trying to help them from FFFFUCKING HEAVEN or is it the wyrm manipulating them so they become another head of the hydra?
>>150790268I mean Wernon also encountered the flies as wellAnd there's the whole thing with a fly appearing in almost every episode since episode 3
>>150790297Yes, but the flies were just an annoyance to him, nothing they did to him lead to any cause and effect like tipping the cheese bucket over so a perfect cheese arrow could point the way.
>>150790268That did lead to a domino effect of Kitten deciding he'd throw in with the Wyrm if it let him save his Big Ginger Himbo
>>150790520But it might've happened anyway since the coalition was coming regardless, it just let them know who they were really getting in bed with.
>>150790268Wernon had the flies and flies are one of many signs of Wyrm corruption. So it's almost assuredly a Wyrm plot - this is a thing for which even eons are an utterly small unit of measurement in the scale it schemes on. It would absolutely set up a bunch of domino effects that ultimately lead to the family falling right into its clutches far later down the line. Heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if Horse's prophecy was warning about this exact eventuality to a degree.
>>150790874When you get into those types of time spans, you have to ask if the people knowing that they are being manipulated are part of the manipulations or not.
>>150787522Nah, Hunter The Parenting is just such a better format compared to TTS, the production values alone are better than anything they did before it.
>>150792098This.
>>150792098That increase in quality cannot be attributed to dropping TTS or starting HTP.The core reason for the spike in quality was the formation of Orge Poppenang and the general expansion of their operation thanks to patron bucks.Parallels to that, they also experimented with a less restrictive style and it payed off.If they restarted TTS today, they'd likely apply everything they've learnt and gained over the past few years, elevating the new episodes to a level comparable with HTP.
>>150787522same. The VA is still good, animation is same but the story is so unstructured and random. That and lots of nothing happens leading up to too small a payoff.
>>150790874I'd have written that whole quilted into servitude differently:>Wayda would admit that she did not have any children. She made it up because she knew the fatigues had kidnapped the children and her story would help her be recruited, even though it might guarantee they would murder her later.>She thought all of the group were monsters in one means or another but after traveling with them she saw that Wernon and Pascal were completely innocent and just like her and her other hunters. Even her father, which was a disgusting monster she could see that their was a glimmer of something keeping him from being a total monster when he interacted with Wernon, although that darkness was completely a hold of him and it was creeping in Wernon in slight ways.>the werewolf would doe fighting thr Fatigue's along with more hunters.>She will admit that Wernon's wanting to have an adventure crushed her. He was the one thing that wasnt evil this whole exbidition:>She would explain that she lied to so many people to trap the Fatigue's. Dozens of hunters died fighting them, the village was slaughtered because she let the Fatigue's believe they were responsible and she made no effort to warn them exactly how dangerous they were. Ten times as many people died for her pride to strike against colonialism when it would have only been a few broken pots and one werewolf if she didn'try to be a big hunter.>The cherry on top: None of the children were harmed. They were all taken to a local church overseen by nuns sworn to Fatigue to watch them for a few days. They spent the whole time with full bellies and perhaps too many hymns on their lips. Meanwhile she made them orphans and set back the Nails of Christ decades.>Wayda vows to scrub floors with Wernon. Him to wash off the taint of his family and her her treachery and betrayal to her hunters. They swear together they may stop only when the other feels they have scrubbed enough. It takes 20 years.
Anyone else unable to unhear Speaker D's particular authorial voice to the point of it overwhelming your ability to see the characters as diegetic people after hearing him GM in Wizard Game?Because at least once an episode there is a point where things are worded in such ways where I'm just taken out of it and start thinking "Speaker is using the characters as his mouthpiece right now".
>>150793821I think your overcorrecting a bit to hard by demonizing Wayda that much. Particularly hammering in "that the kidnaped children were perfectly fine and that their was any good in his father.Otherwise the idea of her admitting she was reckless about it does take a bit of bitterness out of the pill of the scene.
>>150793859Sounds like a you problem.
>>150793916>>150793821I think it was kind of lame and cheesy to have Wayda be the one to teach Fatigue his 'one tile at a time' saying.
>>150794470That's true, it really came off as them liking that line in a very fanboy way, except their are fans of their own work, which is a generally good trait but sometimes causes situations like this.
>>150785710SHUT THE FUCK UP TOGO I KNEW IT WAS YOU I AIN'T EVEN GOTTA LOOKI SHOULD SEND YOUR ASS BACK TO CRENSHAW PETE AND HIS HOT-ASS COAT HANGERS BITCH WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?
What if Togo had some insight and could have helped?
>>150794800t. Togoget the FUCK out of here
>>150794800This is just Togo propaganda
>Grimal is in stable condition after getting backhanded 100 feet by a Garou, immediately trying to get back up, then getting her ribcage crushedShe is absolutely the ghoul.
Kronik fatigue did the right thing by skinning those werewolfs.
>>150784735Sorry Anon but Banes are not like a virus. In the modern era the spiritual landscape of cities are described as a mishmash orgy of Banelings that blanket the buildings like a horde of insects with the Weaver's webs and her spiderlings wrapping them around everything like a creepy coccoon. When I say a Bane is in a can of soda that is literal. They are in the actual can of sodas made by pentex and people who drink them get possessed and become fomori.
>>150795401Killing the dogs is ususualy the correct option (if you can) but stealing their skin is a one way ticket to wyrm corruption. The skin will need to be given willingly to prevent that.
>>150794800To hell with his insightNothing is worth dealing wit togo
>>150795392At this point it's pretty obvious, still surprised D hasn't brought up the fact that they never fucking caught the ghoul
>>150796227D is a bit more concerned by his son getting werewolfnaped and dragged into a realm even he doesn't understand
>>150796271If anything it seems like this would be the most urgent time to catch the ghoul, since it now knows they know about itThey can't very well let it go back to the regent
>>150796271>and dragged into a realm even he doesn't understandis there a possibility that the thing Marckus summoned as a kid would like to have a meet up in Umbra/after exiting Umbra?
>>150796472Markus touched Grandma and that is going to get him killed in the Umbra.
>>150796299I think at this point if anyone tries to run at this point they will considered the ghoul
>>150793592But see I think the format of H:TP is what allowed them to really experiment and reach this particular level of production value that they wouldn't have otherwise attempted. TTS had some moments where they went all out but there was only so much they could do with manipulating PNGs and it's not like they could really move on from that since it was baked in from the start and part of the job.
How would a mage fare against a werewolf?
>>150796798>no prep timeUsually dead unless insanely strong already or very very very fucking tricky and in a place without many witnesses>prep timeUsually dab on them unless Garou insanely strong already or very very very resourceful and in a place where he can escape
>>150796798Depends entirely on how close the woof is and whether the mage is expecting it or not, they're still ultimately squishy humans.
>>150796798Depends on how experienced the mageInexperienced and newly awaked mages would get trounced by a werewolf while a semi experienced one could hold their own and a experienced mage would turn the werewolf into a plant or sand or rip their soul out of their body and hurl it into a mall dimension
>>150796856Mall dimension?>>150796850>>150796854So it's batman rules. Cool.
>>150796865>Mall dimension?Magic can let someone make specific places that are just that and only that specific thingLike when D fell into that 99 p store dimension
>>150796798They might survive given enough prep time and resources.Keep in mind, true mages can turn your arsehole into a stick of dynamite or turn your bones into grape jelly or turn you into a sentient fleshlight that vomits lube.>just as examples reallyThe best can manage paradox using their particular spheres of magic.I imagine proficient mages will have some sort of will to resist Delirium, or a way around it.A newly awakened mage?Nah, you're fucked.Shove those card tricks up your ass.
>>150796865Yeah, Batman rules.Mage is all about bullshit solutions via your own autism, like trying to code something you've never worked on before.
>>150796865>So it's batman rules. Cool.Not quite. Mages with a bit of experience under their belt can just do a lot of fucky things with reality but it usually needs them to be actively doing it. Like if you just shanked one when they weren't expecting it they'd bleed out just like any other dude but if you went charging at them with a sword they'd have more than enough time to anticipate and turn you into a balloon animal. Werewolves benefit from being the strongest baseline, where even a newly first changed woof can body most other factions to a certain extent. The real problem is the skill ceiling because a mage of a certain level of experience or a vamp with a high enough blood potency can absolutely wipe the floor with even the most skilled woofs.
Explain what Fatigue meant by "I snuck something in to the house too"Is he implying Amanda is his daughter? am I stoopid?
>Getting into WoD through videos and this series>Friend who is a major WoD lorefag has been hyping up GarouHe's really insistent that most Garou could body an elder Vamp, and how Canine would have trouble if he walked into a pack of wolves. Am I being lied to?
>>150797065Based on the context I think what he meant was "the lessons I learned from Wayda and her people I have been subtly incorporating into my work at the Arcanum" or something along those lines.though ngl I did also initially think that Wayda and Amanda were going to be related with how similar they look, would also explain why Fatigue would be helping her as a Wraith
>>150796942So what if Kitten is a mage and awakens in the Umbra? I thought when a mage awakens shit goes bad?
>>150797134Caine? Have trouble against ANYTHING? He's either stupid or trying to trick you. There's a reason why Caine's character sheet is just this.
>>150797134Yes.
>>150797134Most garou? No, older garou could body and elder though Caine in a pack? No, caine could fuck up a pack of wolves and would only have trouble with some more experienced garou
>>150797134For the former? Depends on the matchup, in a 1v1 it's likely depending on what Clan the elder belongs to and what abilities they possess as Garou have innate anti-magic damage that prevents vamps from quick regenning, though once you get to like 5th gen vamp and above their damage output is so high most of their debuffs are moot.Caine? Absolutely fucking not, he'd body an army of wolves without trying, and even if they COULD beat him that'd basically be the end of the world if they did
Didnt god give Caine a fancy tattoo too?
>>150797157If Markus wakes up in the Umbra then not only has HtP jumped the shark anything less than an apocalypse would be total bullshit.
>>150797193Why would him waking up in the Umbra be jumping the shark?
>>150797201"Waking up" in this context meaning "awakening as a Mage" which due to the inherent weirdness associated with the Umbra and Mage awakenings would be a very good no bad thing to happen
>>150797192Yes
>>150797217Yeah no I know that's what it meant, I just don't know why it'd be a bad thing. I don't know a lot about the Umbra.
>>150797224Markus waking up in the Umbra would cause all of known reality to experience Paradox, instantly killing Markus and most observers, break the Gauntlet, and unleash the Underworld onto the material plane as the laws of nature collapse and create a Paradox cascade.
So am I missing something, or is there a massive gap between the last episode and the new one?
>>150797134Pictured is the Tzimisce Antedeluvian, a third-generation vampire, meaning he is a 'grandson' to Caine.In the picture he is reigning in New York.He is, to reiterate, grandchild to Caine; there is a whole separate layer of strength between him and Caine.No, Caine will not, in fact, struggle any with a pack of wolves.
>>150797287Not reallyIt seems this audio takes place a few hours after the last one ended
>>150797287Alfa lied about increasing production speed and everyone is okay with that.
>>150797283Why? I thought the Umbra was generally a spiritual representation of everything that exists in the 'normal' world. Why would a mage awakening cause instant Paradox?Also, would this happen if any mage went into the Umbra, or just if one Awoke in there?
What does Cain do all day?>>150797299He's been promising increased production speed once every year or two for a decade.
>>150797331>What does Cain do all day?Drives a taxi in LA.
>>150797331>What does Cain do all day?Drive a taxi
Mr /co/ is goin on. Toss a vote for our lads
>>150797360Imagine being the dumb motherfucker that tries to rob that taxi.
>>150789436I bought a copy of werewolf the apocalypse at my used book store. I also bought the pentex special edition. I haven't played yet but I own the stuff to play
>>150797310There’s a thing called the Avatar Storm in the Umbra that is drawn to enlightened and awakening magi as well as Paradox. The storm clogs the Gauntlet. If Markus both awakened and caused Paradox in the part of the Umbra werewolves use to side step then most living things that can see into the Umbra would also see the Storm and the Paradox, as well as struggle to traverse the Gauntlet to escape or investigate and stop Markus. Then, the Storm could catch and kill him unless he tries to escape or is escorted by a big blue mollusk demon, causing the Gauntlet to burst with magical energy and leading to the actual Hell on Earth scenario.
>>150797482This all sounds very interesting. What sourcebooks elaborate on this? I wanna read them now.
>>150797331I don't really mind, it seems the production delays are all because they get too ambitious with the audio dramas.
>>150797508Basically every Mage sourcebook. Dreamspeakers, Laws of Ascension, and Bitter Road should be the main sources.
>>150797512It is pretty funny to promise to start pumping out audiologs faster so people have something to chew on between episodes, and then put out a 2 and a half hour audiolog
>>150797383OK.I didn't even notice them in the list the first time through.
>>150797169Is that real? Kek seems accurate considering how exponentially more powerful vampires get as you climb up generations.
>>150797666YesIt's from the 90's and was made for when any of the players want to fight Caine or even talk to him
>>150797134Pretty sure even god would intervene if Caine ever found himself in any genuine threat (which he never would) since the entire fucking point of the universe is for god to teach Caine the lesson that murdering is wrong but Caine being an irredeemable contrarian refuses to admit he's wrong for killing his brother.
>>150795408You would think that someone, somewhere would have invented something that can repel or neutralize banes. Or maybe that's just for PCs to do.Like someone in a game decides "I'm going to find a way to sell TRUE FAITH in a can!" and actually does it. And I do mean sell because if you try to give someone stuff for free they are going to be immediately suspicious of you.
>>150795392Guess all that really matters now is finding out if she's the only one.
>>150797816Wow I REALLY shouldn’t stick my dick in that, however…!
>>150785710>Really quite enjoyed the audiolog>Got taken out of it by two things>Amanda's bad voice acting and marysue-lite shit >Seriously why does she get special rainbow dialogue>And also the hackneyed and very swedish commentary on colonialism that could have been left as lighthearted and funny but instead needed to devolve into brown girlboss being the center of all moralitySeriously you've got a compelling enough story there about the hubris of a hunter family becoming monsters, just muddied the impact by trying to make me give a solitary fuck about the flips.
I thought Wayda was going to be revealed as a werewolf
>>150797900Even better is that Great Britain didn’t fuck with the Philippines, that was a Spain issue. In their preaching they couldn’t get their historical facts to complain about correct.
>>150797925Same
>>150797925>>150797937If the entire tribe were Garou and kinfolk Children of Gaia doing their best to tolerate Kronik until he went too far and Wernon felt indebted to werewolves after learning they aren’t all monsters, then it would’ve made sense. Colonialism doesn’t make sense.
>>150785710Was is that supposed to be a word of Darkness thing? I mean it's sort of for like 5 seconds and they said go away like they already knew what it was and apparently it wouldn't be any help.
>>150797925That moment where she starts talking about the "Ravine of Friendship" I was convinced she was a werewolf leading them into a trap.
>>150797896>Wow I REALLY shouldn’t stick my dick in thatWhy?Worked out for kitten for a while
>>150797997>Was is that supposed to be a word of Darkness thing?We think it's some kind of fae who follows the group aroundIn any case he's a joke character
>>150790874Holy shit, what if the patriarch is Kitten?He’s the one in TTS series who was considered like a dad to the other custodes, and he still says goodness gracious even now.
>>150797934Even if they decided to make the Fatigues Spanish it really would have been dumb.Because the lynchpin in this whole plot is that for whatever reason, Kronik had to go around kidnapping children in the Philippines... To get permission from the government to go investigate in the backwoods of the country and catch a werewolf... WHERE HE ALREADY WAS, ACTING WITH IMPUNITY AND STEALING AWAY CHILDREN WHICH HE NEVER NEEDED.It's just DUMB. And worse than dumb, SUPERFLUOUS.It's a plot thread that exists solely to make a point which has nothing to do with WoD and have Mark give a lengthy talking down to Fatigue about how he should be completely ashamed and culpable for everything his family has ever done in the most thinly veiled belongs-in-2015 racist diatribe.
>>150798036The patriarch is obviously D. Kitten may have traits similar to the Custodian but Kitten is an entirely different entity. The best he’s done is have a high enough willpower to lead a gunfire volley against a Garou and live. As for that part of the prophecy:The Patriarch, in mastering Luna, ends hamstrung...He will wish death upon his fleshBut no mercy shall be given,for none he hath gave.By figuring out how to get Markus back he’s going to do something incredibly dangerous and retarded, get bitchslapped by a Judge of Ma’at, won’t be able to stop Markus from getting suckered by a demon when he awakens in the Umbra, and will rather wish Markus died awakening than be taken away to a worse fate.
>>150785710 Okay so I finally got around to watch in the video last night and in the ending I can't help singing yet either one the guy in charge is going to after listening to that leave the Coalition( using speech to text it does not get names good) or two and probably more likely a number of the people in the Arcana mostly the younger ones Marcus 3 friends and Did the surprise of a few the schoolyard bully and his two pack dudes especially surprising to the bully's dad will follow Fatigue in what they should do. Also did we get any knowledge if Fatigue ever had kids himself in any way?
>>150797925I thought he was going to be peer-pressured into going through with the ritual and that he was a Stolen Moon, but his guilt and regret would lead to him helping the Nails and the Garou kill his family, with himself only being spared because of his genuine desire for redemption and the vital resources his wealth would provide the hunters.
>>150798232*Wernon I mean
>>150797997>>150798031Yeah, saying Togo was a stray Fae is the simplest answer because Fae are just Like That, but I severely doubt we'll ever see him again
How would my boy fare against Matilda?
>>150798270WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PISSAND SHITAND YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT SOME JAPANESE SHIT NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT
>>150798094My theory for the kidnapped children in they were going to be used to give Wernon something to test his new powers on if he had accepted the ritual
>>150797997It's Togo, speedwatcher. He's an obnoxious useless fuckwit.
>>150798270Depends. How wobbly are his punches?
>>150798300Then you’re dumb.
Do we know if Lord Fatigue had any children or successor of any kind or did he deliberately let his family lined die with him? Which would not be surprising considering what people thought about his family and what we found out in actuality.
>>150798316Very
>>150797997It's just Togo, the worst fucking character in the series. He's been ruining every fucking chapter he appeared in. I mean, this series is pretty good, but it'd be close to perfect if it wasn't for FUCKING TOGO AND THE OBSESSION THE WRITERS HAVE WITH SHOVING HIM FUCKING EVERYWHERE.
>>150798021She better not blast anime ops post coitos, my sleep is bad enough as it is.I'd prefer to have Elise smother me with your sheer goth girth while she tosses and turns around in bed though...
>>150798577>She better not blast anime ops post coitosSorry anon that's nonnegotiable Also yes I want Elise's pale ass to smother me while I sleep
>>150798577>>150798598You are weak men with weak desires. I swear by my Fist that I will learn how to jackhammer sea cucumber salty cunt on-beat with Kenshiro’s ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA
>>150798423He spent 20 years in the Philippines before coming back to Britain.He likely has children and grandchildren there if there weren't killed by the Japanese.
>>150798630Don't get me wrong, I'd stretch out the weeb sea hag all day long, but I'm not putting up with any bullshit the way Kitten did.The broad needs a reality check.
When is he going to appear?
>>150799202The reality check is cervix shattering mind breaking hate fucking to all of her favorite music so her womb shudders at the thought of an internal organ rearrangement whenever she hears the opening of Inuyasha.
>>150799344not him but>pavlovian conditioning the dipshit cucumber so every time she spergs out she gets sex as a benzo popping schizophrenic male ass raping fujoYou really don't know how girls like these operate and it shows dude. Frankly short of FWB, which is just loser low impulse control slutting it, girls like these need someone to basically tell her to fuck off and grow before they become BPD demons. She's nearly there already, and Kitten literally preferred getting his ass rammed by a low functioning sperg ass moronic redhead ginger than to deal with her bullshit.You'd pump her twice then get depression. Everyone thinks they're king gooner until they meet a purely unhinged goonette, you can't match her.
>>150798630I like the weeb slug but I prefer the weird goth fattie because that's been my fetish since middle school
>>150799606You don’t know my criminal history. Make no assumptions lest ye become a statistic.
>>150799206His name is Moe Lester?
>>150799678Your criminal history is 2 minor thefts at a hot topic for a girl who didn't let you smash, having no game and thinking you're hot shit because you jack it to homestuck, a real nigger wouldn't type "lest ye" short of the apocalypse, you're Harry tier.
>>150800051k
>>150800050It’s pronounced MOH-eh leh-STAYR
>>150799606Agreed man, pussy is good but eventually you gotta deal with the bitch that's attached to it.No pussy is that good.I wouldn't take too much to get her to change, all she needs is moderation.A good dicking and a partner to guide her is plenty good.Kitten wasn't ready for that becouse he's too much of a softie for his partners, also it's not his job to babysit her.This bitch is in her 30s btw, if a guy in his 20s acted like her he'd get crucified literally.She can keep being a weeb for all I care, she just can't be that obnoxious about it.I can even forgive the yaoi paddle shit, so long as she picks up a real weapon when she's trying to kill stuff.She got brain rot before that term even existed in thier universe.>Unless brain rot is some fucked up WoD curse I dunnoAnyway, I would smash Elise and make Grimaline watch.Also I'd have Doctor Walters record it.
>>150796472It's either Grandma/Oblivion like the other anon said, or more likely, a head of the Triatic Wyrm/Nephandic God. It's unlikely to directly come for him unless he goes into the deep, deep Umbra or actively calls upon it again.
>>150800184I wish brain rot was some supernatural curse instead of humans being humans.
>>150798294Anon... I'm sorry to break this to you but there's at least one Nasu character who was made canon to WoD.
>>150800184>Grimal is in her 30sOhOh I can’t baby make with a hagI don’t need some autistic babies
>>150800319Oh, did you think Marcus and Kitten weren't also in their 30s?Because they are. Kitten is a shlubby looking 30 year old gay dude with no job in a cat hoodie who doesn't want to be exposed to sunlight and padded that hoodie with kevlar, playing househusband to a pack of morons. His greatest achievement so far seems to have been that he got in the Arcanum, but Marcus is literally a sperg 30 year old gay dude with no common sense and an ego nearly as big as D ranting about old videogames in the shitty 2000s.Makes it all the sadder they're all hyped about shit like Gmod and TF2 as a bunch of actual fuckups without even a hint of a real degree and probably 9th grade education tops.
>>150800311Wait, who?
>>150798294This...this tastes like Egoraptor!
>>150800452>without even a hint of a real degree and probably 9th grade education tops.I'd blame D more for that seeing as he dragged markus all around the world and had him be taught his own way which didn't help markus understand anythingKitten did say he was in university when he encountered the supernatural
>>150800184>Unless brain rot is some fucked up WoD curse I dunnoSeems very Wyrm like now that I think of it.
>>150800592Pentex would make tiktok
>>150800495Arcueid-expy made an appearance in an official WoD VN.>>150800452>real degree>he doesn't knowIn WoD literally every institute of science is being run by the technocracy and fundamentally functions via actual magic.
>>150800803>In WoD literally every institute of science is being run by the technocracy and fundamentally functions via actual magic.Enlightened Science is legit, the same way Sorcery is. Cars work and so do guns and this paradigm beats the fuck out of every single other one so cry a fucking river the world ain't wuxia a porno harry potter with more sociopathy or asian genocide simulator, the Technocracy made living conditions not mudcore.
>Mummy mentionedWhen do I get to come out and plaaaay?!
>>150800901Too big stakes for Hunter the Parenting.
>>150800901When you learn to be normal
>>150797134The only thing, in setting, that Caine will meaningfully "struggle" against is either angels, packs of stupid high level demons (literally does not count) or mages, whom likely will get paradoxed by Big G himself.Caine has actual plot armor.
>>150800856Oh no, I'm also absolutely pro-technocracy, the average living standard has skyrocketed in ways most people quite literally cannot recognise due to how ubiquitous it is. I'm just saying that in the end degrading them for learning how to stab vampires over counting isn't reasonable since in universe it's in fact more real to learn what makes vampires bleed over how to operate Windows 10.
>>150800319Yeah trust me autism is no joke to deal with, if you're on this website you know how misaligned that can make people.Most people shouldn't be parents, and most parents can't handle autism, so you do the math.Wear two condoms.I bet looks the way she does is becouse of ghoul magic or something, she looks weird but young for her age.You could say that about most of the cast due to the artstyle though maybe.She's cute.>>150800452Yeah, being a hunter sucks ass.There's no upside to it other than 'doing the right thing' and even that is up for debate.Boy is already sipping absinth and going crazy, he's only gonna get worse.I'm sure that irl the family wouldn't be model citizens or anything but being exposed to actual horrors on a daily basis will rot away your capacity for civilised behaviour.A paranoid human survives longer than a passive one, but it hardly means they have real lives.These shitty little fixations are ALL they have to cling in order to not go full crazy.Grimaline is probably using her weeb shit as a distraction from whatever nightmare shit she's seen in her life.She's gooning away what little sanity she has left.Being a regular human is ass, being one in WoB is hot ass.Being a Mage is kinda cool though, probably the better of the lottery tickets despite everything.
Would YOU be a good hunter material, anon?
>>150800901What is the story of demon anyway?
>>150800941DEAL!
>>150801061Nope.
>>150801061lol noI don't even have the discipline to regularly go to the gym without finding an excuse to skip a day at least once per week.
>>150801061I'd probably wind up dead, but I'd be down to hunt vampires. I've a craving to hunt monsters.
>>150801065This is quite literally the opposite of what anon asked for.
>>150801061If these bums somehow managed to become Hunters then I could too
>>150801065You just got worse!
>>150800979>pro-technocracyLicking a boot can't taste good but at least this faction wants to make the world more hospitable to us worthless mortals.It's like the SCP foundation, you don't wanna be apart of it but it's the only way to stay afloat if you're just a joe schmo.Being a hunter does make sense for them yes, it's not like it's unreasonable to agonise over the forces that are trying to destroy you.The Coalition would've been a good bet, but we know better than to taste them either now.Man it's just like IRL, everything is a shit.
>>150801124>>150801177If you can't handle me at my fallen, you don't deserve me at my descent.
>>150801061No, not really.If I was allowed to be a huge research dweed like Kitten or could get into target practice with Door I could be competent but I'm no hero.I'd be breeding stock for Garou Amazonians babes so fucking quick...
>>150800988Humans having the short end of the stick is kind of why I like the idea of the Imbued, as a means to give humanity a supernatural Edge against the forces of darkness.
>>150801315The forces of darkness get to cheat constantly by putting vitae in someone's coffee to turn them into a ghoul without them being aware or putting Ghostbusters 2 hate sludge in someone's soda to wyrm corrupt them with them none the wiser.So it's only fair humans get a way to cheat back just as hard.
>>150801315I don't like the imbued desu. I think it's cooler when individual humans overcome something waaay beyond them through wits and tenacity.
>>150798577>>150798598>Drowning in all thisCount me in!
>>150801061No, too high stress, I'd constantly be worrying about making a mistake which leads to someones death which in turn makes me more vulnerable to such mistakes. I could probably be a computer guy or member of the arcanum though. Always gotta pray (Never do this, who knows what's listening) for awakening if your born a squidgy little human.
>>150801061No because I'd probably ghoul myself or do a good old fatigue since being a nu-Hunter is basically CBT
>>150801143Aren't those bums imbued?
>>150801466She's got her own creamer it would appear.Nah but for real she's the best kind of plump.I don't know how anyone in HtP could be scared of her, she's like a big goth teddy bear.Her creepiness is just another layer to it all.
>>150800452>without even a hint of a real degree and probably 9th grade education tops.Kitten mentioned going to college and is incredibly studious. Even if his focus drifted towards the occult I imagine he has at least a Bachelor's degree if not higher, probably focused in history or archaeology.Marcus was homeschooled by his father (presumably they all were), but he's intelligent and tech-savvy, likes to self-study and experiment, and obviously is able to understand Big D's using shit that was outdated 3000 years ago. He may have gaps in his knowledge and lack a diploma, but I'd say he's about on par with a college education. Ironically, Big D's "figure it out yourself" teachings were probably what resulted in his tendencies to experiment with vampires and other dangerous shit.I don't know where Door stands in terms of book smarts, but his knowledge on carpentry and construction is unmatched. He was also EOD in the military which I assume is incredibly difficult to get into.I'm not sure how educated Horse is, but he's D's favorite so he's gotta be pretty clever on top of being able to kick a vampire's head clean off.
>>150801061Probably not, unless the fear made me go into an intense training/research regimen before my first hunt, and I doubt I'd have that luxury.
>>150798192I can't help feel either one the guy in charge is going to after listening to that leave the Coalition( I am using speech to text it does not get names good) or two and probably more likely a number of the people in the Arcana mostly the younger ones Marcus 3 friends and to the surprise of a few the schoolyard bully and his two pack dudes especially surprising to the bully's dad will follow Fatigue in what they should do.
>>150800527>Kitten did say he was in university when he encountered the supernatural>>150801752>Kitten mentioned going to college and is incredibly studious.Actually fair for both, my bad. I still think Marcus and Boy probably got some dogass fucking education in practical terms and Door is probably very worksman focused but yeah, fair I forgot that Kitten did go to college, although I don't think its ever stated whats his degree or if he finished.
>>150802185Door was in the army and definitely has good technical knowledge, seeing as how he was in bomb disposal. Boy and Markus both seem like they got inducted straight up into the supernatural stuff from the start
>>150801061I'm tryna get turned by a Tzimisce bro
>>150801064The spirits of fallen angels who got kicked out of Heaven for siding against God kill humans, take over their bodies, and do fallen angel shit. Crying, begging God to forgive them despite just adding to the pile, fighting worse demons, becoming worse demons. Oh, and God got put into a coma when he came down to play ski ball and is being kept on life support in New Jersey, leaving the throne of Heaven empty.>"But wait. That's Dogma."...Yeah.
>>150801653In WoD, you gotta be a bit paranoid of everything; especially things that seem to be good to be true, like a plump and beautiful goth teddy bear.Must be very nice being hugged by her though
>>150802291into a chair?
>>150802286>Boy and Markus both seem like they got inducted straight up into the supernatural stuff from the startPresumably all of D's sons have. Unless stated otherwise, I assume a mix of self-study and homeschooling, but that doesn't mean they don't have the rough equivalent of a decent degree of education, at least in Marcus and Door's cases.If it were like not-Angron or someone, yeah I'd expect a retarded street rat.
>>150802337Wait that's the plot of Dogma.
>>150801061Probably not but you never truly know how you'll actually react until darkness comes knocking on your door.
>>150802388N-no
>>150802409...you want a thicc ass vampire bitch to sit on you forever don't you?
>>150802397Well not New Jersey and ski ball specifically, but yes, God being in a coma trapped in a mortal body on life support is the plot of Dogma.
>>150802344The thing that fucks me up about the Goth is just how weird she actually is compared to everything in a meta sense. She is a sincerely nice honest and earnest person who's entire thing is just trying to prove faeries are real as an academic and is a genuinely sweet girl with a bunch of weird friends. She is also a massive fucking boner inducing Woman, made and perfected in the visual fetishism and sexual energy specs within the nanometer of going too far but just not enough people aren't outraged at objectification or fat fetishisms or whatever other tumblr shit, an incredibly precisely created piece of hot fucking fat ass made exactly to rile people up and look good in everything as the archetypical goth girl rocking even a gothic dress that makes her look like a fertility goddess. She would be put on posters for white supremacists with a taste for the thickness in a race war, she's that calibrated as a sexual form.That shit is coming from the absolute faglord sausage gobbling team of Alpha and company, in a World of Darkness franchise. She's downright an anomaly, and my bet is its some Fallout The Frontier thing where someone too talented to lose demanded she be a fucking pale as moonlight PAWG sex symbol and wouldn't do shit unless she was in.
>>150802579There is always light in the darkness, all it takes is one little spark of hope from a single soul.
>>150802570I..I'll have no need of such things once I'm an immortal and powerful vampire...
So Paradox only really goes crazy when in sight of non-supernaturals, right? Is the effect lessened in comparison with Hunters, who while not supernatural, would know that the supernatural does exist- likely assuming the Mage is a Vampire?
>>150802750Paradox is finnicky and changes on how it works based upon who's the storyteller
>>150793663YES, exactly, we went for two episodes discussing the whereabouts of the ghoul and then all of a sudden it doesnt matter + we lost a team member.i mean the garou was fine but its not what i was expecting, in the case of pyotr the focus was always on the group of vampires, it never went away and never changed it for nothing else.
>>150802570Wanting it would defeat the point, unless that point was an eternity of post-nut regret.
>>150801061That depends on whether I can be autistic enough to unlock True Faith
>>150802750It kinda just boils down to>Don't do bullshit when people don't wanna believe itIf you do precognition and fate weaving with a glass orb in the middle of Romania in a gypsy tent with people who believe that shit is possible, you don't get paradox, but this is applied to basically everything.Healing people through prayer in church or a convent works, but its only if you have the actual faithful and shit, if you do it filled with athiests looking they're gonna call massive bullshit.If you have a tech dude and you use a predictive model on a windows millenium edition toaster with 2 bytes of ram, everyone in the computer lab is also gonna call you retarded and a hack, because you need a supercomputer for that in their belief.Apply this in general and the golden rule. The less people watch, the better, and if they gotta watch, make it plausible. Cast fireball by shooting at a pipe in the walls and having gas explode instead of yelling IGNIUM EVOCATA, be American to be in a paradigm where you can actually tank bullets with less eyebrows raised, use Technocrat methods like using a walkie talkie and saying "Tango ETA 5 seconds, Execute Delta" mimick someone being sniped in the head, etc.
>>150802579Plus her va does ASMR. Also Eliphas is simping hard for her. And Matilda.
>>150802979Yeah line of sight is important, an infinite bullet gun is easy when the person can't see you at all times and can believe you're somehow reloading.
>>150802389I wonder how the other dudes will show up, seeing as how it's a lot harder to involve prometheans or changelings/wraiths in the setting as an ally
>>150802579She's probably an instance of "broken clock is right twice a day." Though I would like to know what they told her designer when designing her. How much of her was them vs how much of her was the designer, sort of think.
>>150803012>Plus her va does ASMR.>Also Eliphas is simping hard for her. And Matilda.No fucking way, that's goddamn hilarious. Share some stuff for the boys, we gotta see that shit.>>150803067While its unlikely they'd answer, you probably could just ask them about that kinda shit really. I don't know who did the design, likely in the credits, but worth typing up an email I think.
>>150801653She has a very unsettling smile
You know, given they at least seemed capable of pointing out how insanely retarded the Garou are (And that's without knowing the absolute fucking joke that is shit like the Impergium and the War of Rage) do you reckon they're going to give the least fucking "ambivalence" towards the Coalition?I get the WoD is just about one of the faggiest most retardedly progressivist settings these past few decades, but whether you like it or not humanity needs something like the second inquisition or coalition to be able to purge the vampires. The only thing they have in their side is technology and numbers. And random unafilliated hunter groups aren't exactly the best at that.I mean, OUR guys are already better than 99% of most people would be and they nearly fucking died to a singular 10th (Technically 8th) generation nosferatu.
>>150803432As D said it would mean giving power to a bunch of people who think they know best and don't fully understand what it means to be a part of the supernaturalAs shown with kevin and that old lady and really all of the cainites, they are just a bunch of people turned this way against their will and have no choice but to do what they do lest they become prey once again and be fully destroyed
>>150803496Listen anon, as much as I like Kevin, the idea that most vampires are innocent little muffins who dindu nuffin is absolutely fucking retarded. The Camarilla and the Sabbat ARE blights on humanity.
>>150803537Yes because they're both sects that are about reveling in their vampirism and those who are with in it and haven't fully drunken the kool aid know that it's all bullshit There's anarch vampires that simply want to live simply without getting caught up in all the vampire politics or the prospect of gehenna They drink blood because they have to or they go feral and will hurt more people that way
>>150803432A lot of Hunter is basically built on three pillars Anon>Don't go full retard as you do the Hunt because you need to keep going no matter what and you ride till you die>Don't be bitchmade because other people Hunt wrong, like for money or for influence or dark power and you need to Hunt the right way:tm: so don't compromise too much>Double don't trust Cops/CIA/Pentagon/The Church/Orpheus/Whoever else because they don't care about you, aren't reliable, are doing it for money/influence/dark ops/satanist shit/incredibly perverse fun/kicks which isn't the right way:tm:Hunter progression is, at the core, that you gradually turn into a mostly Asocial Terrorist. The Coalition is actively a threat to Hunters in Norfolk with their data shit and harmful, but they can also be useful when invoked correctly. Usually however, your 3-5 band of usually 9 to 5 dipshits can't politically maneuver a collab between several orgs who kill paranormal shit for fun and profit and its easy to get swayed by a steady paycheck, a good meal ticket, arcane spells and lore, etc.If the Coalition called Kitten, and offered them Christian spells, a firebreath loaded shotgun and a way to get Marcus, without D he'd have bent the fucking knee in an instant because he was desperate. The reverse for Marcus if Kitten was done is also true, and so would Door if his kid got got. These orgs are effective, but they are *not* your friends, and trusting them too much is an objective mistake. Doesn't mean they can't do good along the way however.
>>150802579Well, if it helps make her worse, there is a claim on TV Tropes, that I can't discover a source for, where it is suggested that the staff don't mind her being interpreted as transsexual.This is based on how she scratches out 'brother' on her Arcanum ID and writes 'sister.'
>>150803044The chances of any given son being one is extremely slim, to be honest. It's possible Marcus is a latent Mage, and Ross may be a Werewolf if he's not simply a brick shithouse, but they're exceptions to the norm. I would expect the vast majority to be normal humans like Door.Not-Sanguinius is probably secretly either a Vampire or Hunter Ghoul as a point of drama.You could argue the Traitor Primarch expies are more likely to fuck around with becoming monsters, and this is the in-universe equivalent of falling to Chaos.
>>150803615>reading TVTropes as if they got any fucking authority whatsoeverShe's a woman, anyone calling her trans is someone who themselves is trans and is delusionaly pretending they can go and be that. If you do that dipshit logic then Grimaline is objectively a male because she doesn't bother scratching the brother out from her card, the organization is patriarchal in nature, even Doctor Waters doesn't get a female name, everyone in the lower ranks is brother.I mean fucking seriously nigger, taking TVTropes at anything but mockery level is very worrying, your own media literacy is fucking abysmal if you trust that beyond biased and usually themselves illiterate site. They're still malding about Snoot Game after all.
>>150803610Well it's not some random thinblood anarch that requires coalition, it's the camarilla and sabbat who just so happen to be the overwhelming majority of vampires
>>150803748Yeah but the coalition won't see it that wayThey'll just kill them in whole sale with no discerning who's evil and who's a victim
>>150803724I agree with everything you said. Just repeating what I got from there.That website is only good for finding summaries and even those need to be taken with a grain or ten of salt.
>>150803814Sounds better than humanity being stuck permanently under the boot of the Camarilla or turned into cattle by the Sabbat.
>>150803537Kevin is far from an "innocent little muffin" and it's regularly shown that way, but he's certainly high humanity enough to not be "kill all hummies race war now"VtMB and a lot of the books and other media do show that a good number of vampires are kinda just victims of circumstance rather than full on undead predator
>>150803888If they don't then the technocracy or the wyrm will
>>150803683Well Horse is a Demon, but yeah. I suppose the nature of adopted family too or D having a lot of family over time opens up a lot of choices but you have a good point that it does get somewhat tiring if characters get brought in and they're just>D's kid but supernatural
>>150803943Kevin is also an insanely extreme outlier. Just the fact he had enough willpower to break from the Tremere Pyramid means he's better than like 99% of vamps. HE actually has a shot at something like Golconda.>>150803957>The WyrmEVERYTHING has the motherfucking wyrrm, anon. The vampires feed the wyrm, the wereowlves feed the wyrm, there isn't a single fucking thing on earth that actually deals with that piece of shit because the wolves holocausted the guys who were supposed to do that.
>>150803012Wait... what? She does?Give me the sauce.
One thing I find interesting in this audiolog that I don't think many people noticed is PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS COCK BALLES
>>150804080DAMN IT FATIGUE
>>150803996Yeah, I guess he's also got pretty decent willpower to willingly be subject to multiple blood hunts
>>150803988>Horse is a demonMetaphorically speaking, right boy?RIGHT?
>>150804635Right of course. He totally can't speak. I hope he shows up again though
>>150804335But that's clearly a Simba type Bastet (they think their duty is to rule to world and kill demons).
>>150797383Tossed a vote for em but their odds are likely slim to none
>>150804335So, as someone still getting into the setting. Are werewolves straight up the potential man of supernaturals?Like almost everything I hear about them is them being strong, followed by them failing a microsecond afterward.
>>150805310Ehhh its a little complicated. Werewolves as a whole are still busted strong on average. They're more the notable retards of supernaturals. Like, yeah all the supernatural factions have their retards but Garou as a whole really fucked the world state hard with their ongoing stupidity
>>150805310They are strong, they just use their strengths wrong or toward purposes that end up making shit worse
>>150805310They're really powerful they just eat too many crayons and do dumb shit.
>>150805310They're too short sighted and angry to do their fucking job right. They're far stronger on average than the average vampire due to how much weaker vampires get at later generations.
>>150805310The Garou suffer from the issue of having retard strength combined with absurd, mind-boggling, unbendable hubris. Their general structural outlook, condensed is:WE KNOW WE ARE RIGHT, FOR WE ARE THE RIGHTEOUS. GAIA'S WILL IS REFLECTED IN OUR ACTIONS, AND ANY WHO QUESTION US ARE CLEARLY TAINTED BY THE WYRM AND MUST BE DESTROYED. YES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHECK THAT, BUT WHY SHOULD WE QUESTION OURSELVES, AS OURS IS THE WILL OF GAIA. ARE YOU QUESTIONING ME?! LOOK, BROTHERS! THEY ARE WYRM-TAINTED. RIP THEM APART AND BATHE IN THEIR GORE. KILL. KILL. KILL. AND BURN DOWN THAT ORPHANAGE TOO. THEY'RE ALL SERVANTS OF THE WYRM.
>>150805310Yes. After them is demons and mages, but we all ignore demon books because they are written like actual crimes.
>>150805310They're Potential Man in the sense of how they never do much right to actually further their goals.They got war forms, shape shifting, gifts and a ton of other shit but also an immense ammount of rage, and the most key thing about Woofs, the core of their splat if "Mindless violence doesn't fucking work, your species tried that for millenia, it did nothing, do something constructive."So their failure isn't that they get 2 shot by a hunter with silver shotguns constantly (although this can happen), its more despite having the potential, they are so bad at their job due to sperging like an /r9k/ chud with real muscles that any progress towards spiritually healing Gaia gets nullified by vicious awful and truly horrendous levels of murderous violence as they do a Princess on a kindergarten. They have Potential to save the setting, but never will, despite having the strength to do it (but not the restraint and general ability to plan long term without being immense bloodthirsty dicks)
>>150805310Are you into Warhammer Fantasy?They're basically the Lizardmen. Just less centralized, and even less hospitable.
>>150804080FUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>150786863Even if Hunter: The Parenting has dumb moments like these, they still are funnier than other certain shows
>>150805310Werewolves were made to serve as the Warriors of Gaia and they're very good at being warriors. They can recover from most wounds almost instantaneously, they can assume a variety of forms for stealth, pursuit and combat, they push themselves beyond their natural limits with supernatural rage and they can call upon mystical abilities granted to them by animistic spirits.However, the aforementioned rage is the source of a lot of problems. They are literally supernaturally angry in a way that no human is capable of. While this can be a boon in combat, it can also cause them to make extremely poor decisions when enraged.During prehistory, the werewolves correctly identified that humans were a problematic species, invading every biome across the planet and hunting species to extinction that would have thrived if it wasn't for humanity. As the Warriors of Gaia, the werewolves had the responsibility of protecting the balance, but they were very brutal about how they handled humans, culling them and herding them into primitive internment camps where they served as breeding stock. Several thousand years of this caused something called the Delirium, which causes humans to freak out with primordial terror whenever they see a werewolf, just because of how badly the ancestors suffered due to werewolves. The werewolves eventually realised that they went too far and stopped the Impergium, but it doesn't change the fact that they did it.Next was the War of Rage. There were once lots of other shapeshifters, but the Wyrm, the spirit-god of death and destruction, orchestrated a diplomatic incident that caused immense friction between the werewolves and the other shifters. The werewolves surrendered to their rage and went on a mass extermination campaign, pushing all of the other shifters to the brink of extinction or making them actually extinct. Again, the werewolves eventually realised they went too far and stopped, but by that point, it was too late.
>>150806485This is a pattern that repeats throughout history, werewolves identifying a problem, only to give into their overwhelming rage and try to solve the problem with violence. They can't help it, this inhuman rage is hard-coded into their psyche and it's so severe that they radiate an unnerving aura, even in their human and wolf forms. They're so preternaturally angry that they're never able to fully integrate into human society or wolf packs, so it's no wonder that this anger also impacts their decision-making.This isn't to say that they haven't had their victories. If the Croatan tribe of werewolves in 16th century America didn't sacrifice itself to banish an avatar of the Wyrm, the world would have already ended. If the werewolves of the Wild West didn't band together to sacrifice some of their greatest heroes to stop the Storm Eater, the world would have already ended. Werewolves have done their duty as Warriors of Gaia and have saved the world from Apocalypse on multiple occasions, but their anger is just responsible for making the world a worse place and it's getting to the point where they might no longer be able to stop the Apocalypse, due to the cleverness of their foe and due to their own failings.Unless the werewolves get their shit together and are able to move past their regressive warrior culture that is built on rage and violence, the Apocalypse is inevitable and Gaia will be doomed. When playing Werewolf the Apocalypse, reforming other werewolves and getting them to overcome their rage and abandon their backwards traditions is just as important as fighting the monstrous servants of the Wyrm.Also, due to the fact that even the average werewolf is a killing machine by design, they're often used as punching bags whenever someone wants to show how threatening the latest monster or character is. Got a scary new villain you want to show off? Have him rip a werewolf in half without breaking a sweat, then the players will know he's dangerous.
now that alfa has apologised for british imperialism, when is he going to apologize for the deluge, something his ancestors actually did?
>>150806485>>150806516That's a lot of words to say that Garou are really retarded.
>>150798569And they think it's acceptable because the other characters hate him too.
>>150805310The best way to sum up werewolves is they're a supernatural sledgehammer in a world that needs a scalpel. All of their problems are too large and complex for brute strength to actually help them.
>>150795754>The skin will need to be given willingly to prevent that.Is that a thing that happens? The Garou don't seem like the sharing type.
>>150806944Generally no, but werewolves are people, so it's definitely happened and I believe we're given examples.
cognis mentis, innit
they've really hit their stride with the radio like serialsglad they are keeping the dumb screaming down
>>150806720Autistic. They could actually fix shit if they paid attention for 2 seconds instead of sperging out. But the call to sperg is too strong.
>>150806516>>150806720>>150806924>>150806944>>150806973daily reminder that according to the new books gaia has been dead for quite some time.
>>150806631>implying this was all alfa's idea and not a compendium of Euros across the continent dunking on the bongtardsYou forget the national pasttime of Europe:1) Shit on the French for being French2) Shit on the British for being British3) Forget Greeks exist, but shit on them when the Greeks remind everyone they're around.
As a Spaniard I frankly hated everyone involved in the old recordings, I wanted both the british and the flips to die but most of all I hated that sniveling Belgian.
>>150807442it's funny the belgian being the biggest victim, considering what they were doing in the congo just 20 years prior
>>150807600I wish he'd lick cyanide.
>>150807442You've been tricked by ze great Pascal.
>>150807442We don't tolerate Pascal hate around these parts.
I do think it's a weird choice to have the "Colonialism" story be set on the one fucking country the brits didn't colonize
>>150808002The entire premise hinged on them not having an established presence on the place so they had to stage a bunch of kidnappings to get permission to sniff around. If their government was already 6 inches deep in that region there wouldn't have been the need for such actions.
Kronic's tactics of stealing lycanthropy is objectively good.Its just a shame he was written to be cartoonishly evil for no fucking reason.Seriously, this entire episode felt like a lecture on white guilt. Even fatigues "one tile at a time" line came from some brown bint now.
>>150808337>Kronic's tactics of stealing lycanthropy is objectively good.Bro skinwalking unless the skin is willingly given is top tier Wyrm defiling shit the moment he did it himself in his youth his very being was forever tainted by immense corruption.
>>150808418>unless the skin is willingly givenis that a thing? I mean.. they do regenerate pretty quick.
>>150808337>Kronic's tactics of stealing lycanthropy is objectively good.Only at surface level, if you know anything about how it actually works you'll understand it just opens a can of wyrm corruption, not that any of them bring that up. Doubt even he understood the gravity of what he got himself into decades ago when he first donned that skin.
Hunter The Parenting and Space King are a genre of indie animation that I want more more more of
>>150808418>>150808484oh so the skin stealing being wyrm stuff is actual lore? Fair enough didnt know that part.Rest in Peace True Faith germans.
>>150808543Yeah, the funny thing about these sort of rituals is that rarely do the people that perform them fully know all the actual details since they don't have a birds eye view of the setting like players.
>>150808337>>150808418>>150808484Kronik also had Gifts, which Stolen Moons normally can't receive (because spirits won't pact with them). Meaning he was likely a Skin Dancer, who serve under the tribal totem of Minotaur - who is directly Wyrm-aligned.
>>150808337>>150808602>Stolen Moons have often misunderstood the nature of the bargains they’ve made or the horrible Rite they’ve somehow worked, and they suffer in the aftermath of what they’ve done to themselves, with physical pain or mental anguish, and often both. Some want revenge on the world for their own ruinous choices. Others want to settle cruel vendettas against people who wronged them. They all seem to hate the Garou, probably for having a better handle on what it means to be a werewolf.Kronik was not some Imperialist white guilt caricature, he was having Stolen-Moons psychosis that made him utterly toxic. He was callous to Blacklaw despite him giving aid, he was willing to let his son get captured to follow the werewolves, and showed no concern for anything beyond capturing more werewolves to spread his curse. Anyone that got in the way was pushed aside. The only one he showed any dose of affection for was his son and that was ONLY when he could pass the Stolen Moons affliction to him; and he was ready to kill his son when he rejected the 'gift'
>>150808853ah so thats why he looked like that.
>>150808840Yeah he was without a doubt wyrm tainted.
>>150808483Most Garou would flay you for even suggesting it, but yeah it does work like that. Just need to find a couple (Can't remember the exact number of skins you need) of hides from Garou of the same auspice who are all cool with humilating themselves by stripping off their skin for a Breeding sla...er, kinfolk
>>150807222No one cares about W5. Just like no one cares about V5. Most players stick to 20th anniversary
I was rewatching the animations proper and I can't help but think that Simon is supernatural somehowI think he's the equivalent of an Ork weirdboy
I really don't understand what 'sin' Fatigue feels like he committed, either to Wanya or Occam. It's made out like he personally went gallivanting around and getting people killed, when all he was doing was following his fathers (mostly reasonable) orders and being enthusiastic about studying werewolves. Maybe it's a sins of the father situation, but it felt like the writing was genuinely trying to make Fatigue out to be in the wrong, and I can't really accept the idea that the writers believe in such a backwards and stupid concept as ancestral sins.I feel like what should've happened is Fatigue would not end up finding out about his father being a monster before the ritual, and actually end up taking part in it (maybe have it be a made up Broken Moon ritual and not one related to flaying, since that's way too much to expect anyone sane to do, even with coercion.) and then going mad when he realises the truth during his first change, leading to him to killing his father and uncles. Then, with them dead, he collapses and gets captured by the Hunters as they arrive (they don't kill him because Wanya advocates on his behalf. Yes it's a stretch, but if they build up their relationship better, then it could work.) and then we get the scene where he breaks down and feels immense guilt, not only for what his father did to the villagers in the name of the ritual, but because he himself took part in said ritual and was turned into a monster. This would make his shame of betraying Occam make sense (I doubt Occam would truly hate Fatigue for something as mundane as embezzling some money to give to orphans), since Fatigue was hiding his true nature from him all this time, but also make his shame and desire to repent to Wanya make sense, as he'd literally be corrupted at this point and want to try and clense his sins.
>>150809169his sin was being wh*te
>>150809119He just has anxiety mate
startin to dislike kitten more and more lately, Big D's 5 pence shop adventure ruined half of the cast for me was kitten and amanda suddenly falling into depsair a werewolf the apocalypse tabletop thing
>>150809250>Big D's 5 pence shop adventure ruined half of the cast for me?
>>150809222nah, something is weird about that boy
>>150809279I think big D is entertaining and an adventure that's just him made me realize I find the boys kind of annoyingthe kevin detective adventures also had this effect
>>150809290Its called anxiety and seeing a werewolf blendo matic the cool old guy who gave you some free therapy
>>150809343nta but I kind of get ittoo much relationship drama with themI specifically really don't like Kitten at allI can just tell that he's going to do something inexcusably awful in the future and the narrative won't acknowledge it because he did it "out of love" or somethinga writer's pet characteri don't mind the others so much. they're all punished by the narrative for being cringe
>>150809250It was Wyrm shit fucking with their minds and trying to open up their arseholes for bane possession. The large amounts of flies were a sign some wyrm fuckery, probably a spirit drawn to a Skindancer/ Broken Moon's descendant dying hyper violently or some shit Happens all the time in WoD.
>>150809250Yes, werewolves innately cause the whole despair shit but also Wyrm influence can self-spiral like that considering they got their world view shattered with deeplore they weren't supposed to know. Like if you learn about how the world is ending and shit without being a mage so that you know the world is fake anyway
>>150809169yeah no its flat out ancestral sins, white is bad bullshit.
>>150808853I wonder if Giles will end up being his generation's Pascal and get a weapon hand ala Guts
>>150809428Nah werewolves cause delirum. It isn't despair, it's either mind breaking fear or rage, for most of the population. Having an unusually strong will lets you keep your head AND remember what you saw, which kitten and amanda had difficulty with, showing they aren't in the top percentage of human spirit, unlike BIG FUCKING D
>>150809384He was odd before it thoughI'm specifically thinking of him being very secretive about what was bothering him with Fatigue. There's something going on with him, more than him being off his meds
>>150809080>>150809080I bet you could find some glass walkers submissive enough to get a kick out of it.
>>150809250Yeah it was wyrm shit which the Garou fight against. The presence of flies is a sign of it, and the chapter house seems to have some wyrm taint given the fly presence in multiple episodes. Unsurprisingly, a Garou going full retard ends up helping the thing they are fighting against
>>150809457Again, that's just anxiety. Boy was having a panic attack, it becomes very difficult to articulate yourself when you're having one especially as rough of one as Spit was having He was just off his meds and in a high pressure situation, he freake dout, literally nothing supernatural about it
So... did big D fuck Bastet?it seems clear he is a mummy and had relations with were-cats.
>>150809467Actually, Glass Walkers go full glowie on their Kinfolk and just disappear/ assassinate any that even show signs of wanting to Skindance. Think they had 3 they were expecting to go full Samuel Haight and who were on a list for "Removal"They'd take you out into the desert and you'd never be found
>>150809498He clearly fucked a werewolf (for Leman) and a Bastet (for Lion)
>>150809498He fucked werecats and probably a couple of Black furies judging by the lesbian wolf woman comment. Which is probably his most impressive feat, cause black furies fucking hate men.Seriously an elder nearly killed a new wolf for saying "Okay but most men aren't literally satan you crazy bitch"
>>150809343>>150809404I sort of get it, I think the family is only entertaining when they're all there to bounce off of each other without crazy angst and family drama, though I think D himself is also kind of flawed. Kevin and Guy are just much better characters though maybe it's because we aren't as tired of them and seeing blatantly amoral dudes is funny. Kitten is kind of a safe character I feel, was never really a fan of him as he's always been too passive
>>150809455>Big D>HummyVery doubtful, sure he's a high Willpower character but I severely doubt he's raw human like the rest. What type of nutjob fights a werewolf knowingly with a melee weapon?
>>150809521Can a werewolf even offer up it's skin without dying or losing the whole werewolf stuff?>>150809545How do Black Furies even keep kinfolk/birth rates then?
>>150809579The kind who takes a hero dose of LSD before going on a leech hunt and who gulps Ayahuasca like it was spring water.
>>150809491spit is a secret wizard. you're just gonna have to have faithon that note, do mental illnesses even really exist in the WoD?wouldn't they be the technocracy's doing?
>>150809604I would guess the approach of "men are useless outside of making more women through sex"
>>150809617Yeah I suppose it was all over the story at the start that D was a nutter anyway. I wonder what the prologue was supposed to be? One of the only times we ever see him serious>>150809622Isn't schizophrenia a flaw you can grab on all your characters in tabletop
>>150809437>>150809200I know it's the obvious answer, but the fact that the question of "what do you think about Kronic?" was instantly just brushed away and ignored makes me feel like it wasn't the intent, and was simply a framing device.
>>150809604Yeah. Werewolves heal really, really quickly and from stuff that'd crippled lesser supernaturals. Seriously, they eat agg damage like it was doggie treats>>150809604They adopt the most out of any tribe (Especially Metis), and abuse the shit out of their male kinfolk, but all garou treat their breeding stock like shit and wonder why people like Haight pop up every couple of yearsThey're basically an Incel's idea of a feminist, but put in the body of a living weapon that can tear through an Abrams like it was tissue Which is why they're up there with Red Talons in the running for the most shit clan
>>150809649>Isn't schizophrenia a flaw you can grab on all your characters in tabletopfuck if I knowi don't have any friends into TTRPGi'm as secondary as they come
>>150809663Eh I just viewed it as "Kronic's an asshole moving on"
>>150809622Oh yeah they do. Played a Anti Toreador who was bi polar and schizo for the fun of it once. You can get them just from mental trauma or supernatural shit.
Why do people think Big D is a mummy? Are they not just dead dudes in this setting?Is this a warhammer thing I'm not getting?
>>150809636Basically.
>>150809692No in the world of darkness mummies are basically empowered humans full of "FUCK YOU LIFE IS GREAT" energy.Well, except bane mummys who are basically fallen
>>150809692Nope. Mummies in Old WoD are basically just immortals. New WoD/Chronicles mummies have it a lot rougher.
>>150796942Mages need to be really high sphere level like at least 4 and more likely 5 to be able to tangle with a Werewolf. And even then they only get once chance, if they don't kill the Werewolf in the first volley they are dead.
>>150809770That's true with Mages vs most other supernatural. Most power scale arguments also ignore that most of their Win Cons would get them buggered by paradox before they could secure the kill.
>>150809687Maybe. But I feel that if the point was "colonialism bad!" then there'd be more to say about the guy who is a cartoon caricature of a sneering imperialist. Instead, it just gets brought up and instantly dropped with another "haha D is a crazy queer" joke.Then again, it's possible it's one of those "I'm not going to elaborate or discuss the subject, because you should already hate and not like said subject" situations.
>>150809692Mummies in WoD fall into one of a few camps.1. Old mummies. Those resurrected by the Spell Of Life. Some of them were previously vampires.2. New mummies. Those who were dying but were sought out by a shard of the shattered souls of old mummies after they were ripped apart by a great metaphysical sandstorm and who completed a pilgrimage to Egypt.3. Bane mummies.Category 1 and 2 are basically superhero-level entities. The lore gets fucking stupid with them, though, with one example being that a certain clan/type/etc of mummy is required to surgically remove their genitals for fear of becoming a rape machine. This is dumb as hell, though.
>>150809936Did someone say rape machines? Did you know that when Metis Breed Garou rage, rather than murdering or wanting to eat people like homids and lupus, they wanna rape!
>>150809169>I really don't understand what 'sin' Fatigue feels like he committedI felt like they laid it out pretty cleanly: Fatigue feels guilty because the reason his dad dragged him to the philippines and killed a bunch of people was because he wanted to make wernon a werewolf, and he went along with all the abuse his dad met out until it was staring him in the face that his dad was a violent psychopath because he childishly wanted to have an "adventure" in a warzone where the US was actively crushing a rebellion. He also lied to a close friend about his background and stole money from him behind his back for decades, even for a good cause that's reason for broken trust. Fatigue wasn't really culpable for anything truly terrible but he still felt guilty for it, that's the point.
>>150808853Killing werewolfs is an objectively good thing the werewolfs have never done anything right ever. Taking their power is also an objectively good thing as it is literally impossible to as bad at using the power as a werewolf.
>>150809784All of the mages sphere are basically outright unless for combat below 5 dots anyway. That the level where you can actually use you magic on other beings.You need at least 4 dot to turn the air into poison as a hostile action.
>>150785710Yeah this basically killed my interest in HtP. Easily the worst and most boring episode by far. Made worse by the subject Werewofls are the least interesting most dull of the splats.Bit what really kills it is portraying Fatigue in a positive light, and not the villain and traitor he was. Fatigue's death was to quick and over without even a fraction of the pain he deserved.
>>150809929it's just a joke because fatigue senior is so terrible at face value at that point that dwelling on it would be a waste of time
Oh. Chronic Fatigue, that's kinda funny I guess.
>>150810179Hello Kronic
>>150810180He didn’t kill babies whereas Wayda’s faction were willing to bomb a teenage Wernon until she realized she could get a white slave to blackmail for 60 years to get free shit.
Embezzling money and resources from a useless organization like the Arcanum to a hunter organization that presumably targets actual threats to mankind like vampires is bad because the recipients were shitskins? Because Wernon shouldn't want to clean his family's name? Does one's responsibility begin and end at one's own personal actions?
>>150810393The arcanum doesnt hunt vampires, they arent supposed to hunt anything. Its been stated and shown they primarily care about researching the supernaturalsThe Philippine hunters at least kill monsters instead of treating them like bird watching
>>150810393No it's bad because embezzlement is a crime in most civilized countries and while noble it still actively fucks over the Arcanum
>>150810393The Arcanum is useless because over 3 generations it never accumulated enough money and resources to become a threat you dummy. If it’s true that Africa today is underdeveloped because their wealth was stolen by Europe, how could it not be true that the Arcanum is underdeveloped because Wernon stole all their resources for over 50 years?
>>150809636>>150809720even then wouldn't keeping Male garou or kinfolk slaves keep their output higher or do they just hate men that much
>>150808510Agreed, it's pretty sweet.
>>150809770>>150809784counterpoint: Turn werewolf into fluffy rug / ahegao the werewolf remotely
>>150810449They dont let male Garou in the tribe unless they get a magical gender change like my Japanese animesI AM not joking about this. The only exception is Metis, and they only let them in cause theyre sterile
>>150809988>empowering the World destroying God is objectively good because the people stopping the corruption are retards
>>150809976What?
>>150810472Doesn't work despite mage fags desperately wishing it does. Even the often mentioned vampire chair turns back into a vampire after a few rounds and causes enough paradox for the mage to get banhammered out of realityMages are the Pinacle of WoDs potential men because for them to have any poeer they need the storyteller to actively ignore the rules and lore of their gamelines and never slap them with paradox
>>150810223I bet you've never heard of Moe Lester.
>>150797331seethehe seethes at his kidshe seethes at Godhe seethes at his dead brotherhe just seethes
>>150810070Can't you stretch the definition around?>make air denser when werewolf tries to leap at you>condensate heavy rain/ice>summon bad smellOr something kind of niche to work around the encounter instead of outright making the werewolf into a lightning rod
>>150810491This post brought to you by a seething furfag who can’t figure out how to recycle.
>>150810446see >>150810428Arcanum wouldn't do shit no matter how much money they had.Africa is still a shithole because niggers are retarded.
>>150810493Yeah, there's a type of rage that all werewolves can call into, pretty easily when their moon phase is up, that makes them act real freaky.Lupus/ wolf born garou mutilate corpsesHomid/ human born garou try to eat them and peopleAnd metis/ mutant garou born garouz try to rape corpses and anything in arms reachWoD is edgy like that
>>150810393Nails only targets FOREIGN supernaturals anyway, so it's pretty much useless
>>150810393No, it's bad because the Arcanum is a bunch of faggots that preach non interference. They just study to learn and hoard knowledge for the sake of hoarding it. He was based for actually helping hunters that fought against monsters instead of just sitting in a archive gathering dust. The money is better off with the nails.
>>150798021dogshit anime tastesliterally nothing but shounen and shojo garbage.
>>150810472>>150810508Basically. The strongest mages who can warp reality are so strong, they cannot exist on Earth anymore thanks to paradox, so short of being a marauder, a player mage is pretty limited
>>150810542correct on both accounts.
>>150810475damn, I guess the black furies just fear the rape potential of dog knot
>>150810531Cool, you fart gassed a garouIt will now kill you harder out of annoyance
Concept: Garou who is obsessively, violently racist against Asians because most Asian countries are so horrifically polluted Wyrm taint is genetic to them at this point
>>150810569>>150810393Quite honestly, we saw that mansion, I don't even think the money he stole even hurt them. I mean, how much is a british pound compared to Filipino money at the time?
>>150810393Nah the issue is similar to the reason D got kicked out. Arcanum. Doesn't. Endorse. Hunting.
>>150810600Actually asia is the only place where Fera live in peace. They've got an entire Garou free society and continue doing their Gaia given jobs as effectively as they did before the Garou fucked everything upIts called the beast court and thrives cause a certain species of rage tard isnt allowed to participate in it
>>150810593Fun fact: Real life feminists are incredibly weak to the dick and the reason they constantly seethe is because their sloppiest orgasms only happen from deep penetration (usually due to a sheathed clitoris).
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>>150810605>MansionIt's a fucking MEGA compound>three floors likely basement>sizeable public-sized bathroom>hidden attic and vaultPlace looks like a museum with how big it is>>150810584>>150810596What's even the point of mages going to 5 pips then
>>150810593Im fairly sure they were formed cause the original black fury got raped
>>150801061I’d be willing to hunt, which makes at least the beginning of a good hunter
>>150810393>>150810446Arcanum is strong enough that they could easily tip the balance of power of any of the supernatural powers conflicts in the world. Arcanum is basically the only mortal organization actually trying to find a solution not put out fires while letting the arsonist run free.And the Arcanum stays relent by not picking fights with bigger stronger factions, yes they could end the Camies, the Sabbat, Pentext. But they would be destroyed doing itSo instead of spending their lives, and winding up dead for nothing, save putting another evil power to take over in the resulting power vacuum. The Arcanum keeps researching gathering power. and power not wasting their power on useless show boating. That why nobody fucks with the Arcanum is has entire vaults full of in case of apocalypse stuff.
>>150810660So like, did a werewolf do it because if it was just some ordinary human I'm more impressed than horrified.
>>150810656>mages going to 5 pips thenTo fuck the Nephandi who decided to ruin your life the moment you awakened. You don't even know they exist, you don't know them personally, but they have dedicated their life to being a huge asshole to you specifically
>>150810656Cause in theory if you ignore the setting and highly mechanically important paradox and gave the Storyteller a sloppy blow job, you'd be strong enough to maybe give a garou or vampire a tingle in their ballsMages only get strong if you ignore or misinterpret the mechanics of the game and magic
>>150810668>while letting the arsonist run free.funny cause the arcanum loves letting arsonists run free
>>150810676By using the power of human dick the Black Fury’s mind was unknotted and she realized during the euphoria of orgasm caused by rape (women have the biggest orgasms during non-con) her greatest enemy was basically a giant penis that destroys everything and the truth mindbroke her.
>>150810676The Black furies dead ass claim the whole "Try and genocide humanity" happened cause MEN realized that WOMEN made babies and need to be STOPPED from inventing the patriarchythey're fucking dumb as shit
>>150810531No not really it goes like this1 dot can sense the sphere, like correspondence, you can sense the train scheduled without looking at the map2 dots correspondence you can make yourself run faster a little bit, nothing supernatural3 dots correspondence you can start running up walls, and making a plane fly faster4 dots correspondence you can start teleporting 5 dot you can teleport someone else
>>150810697>>150810700So unless you're fucking with Nephandi and Marauders specifically or other mages the universe just goes like "nuh-uh"?
>>150810794And dots 3 to 5 is when Paradox starts fucking you in the ass.
>>150810810It can literally make you stop existing. The technocracy strengthened the fuck out of humanity's disbelief in magic during the middle ages to advance the collective belief into a force called the Consensus, that crippled magesAnd this was good, cause mages before the consensus were fucking assholes who liked to grind up babies to make magic elixirs and ruled like angry, vengeful gods over shit smeared peasants
>>150810810Not if you're fighting other mages in an autism duel, if you do it in view of other people, do too much of it, or simply use big enough magic Paradox comes screaming and starts beating your physical, spiritual and metaphysical ass red until you stop resisting or get sent into non reality
>>150810702Killing a vampire is pointless waste of time. if it not an Elder. All killing a thousand vamps does nothing. Because the next day the Vamp elder just turns 2 thousand and kill you.Same with Pentext destroy it, and the next day another worm empowered force will step up and take over their operations.
>>150810845Fuck you wizards living in towers with impunity was the best time period for humanity.
>>150810794At 3 dots you should be able to do plenty of cool shit then like compress air or other stuff, maybe not outright you control others with it but plenty to do something with it
>>150810926Nope.
>>150810810Yes and no. Mages have a lot of problems already that will need magic to solve. And the more magic you have going on, the brighter of a beacon you form for things that actively don't like you(nephandus, technocracy, paradox spirits, etc). Like if you did >>150810531then THIS fucker here would show up before the werewolf laid a hand on you, and would lecture you on how to do things 'nicely', and reverse time before you cast anything. You are facing a vampire or werewolf? That's why God invented shotguns. Put some buckshot in their face and get out of sight of the public.
Markus is a mage. He had his awakening and then got magic amnesia about it because the thing he made contact with was something apocalyptic.So is he still awakened? Can a mage go back to "sleep"? Is the magic just leaking out of him a little bit at a time like what happened in the pub?I feel like that needs to come to a head during this werewolf arc if they have any real hope of recovering him. Like he needs to do some magic to help himself get out of this mess while at the same time his family is working on rescuing him.Meet half-way kind of situation.Plus he had that magic eye and who knows what that will show him if he looks at anything in the umbra with it.
>>150810949>Markus is a mageSorceror. He can perform sorcery magic because it's something that Consensus still grudgingly tolerates. You're basically a sleeper, but if you do all the proper steps for a ritual, the magic still happens.The eye would not have done shit to him if he was a proper mage
>>150810949No. Mages can't deawaken, the closest thing would be destroying their avatar which would leave the mage a drooling vegetable.
>>150810948What if you use a super strong shotgun with magic and then kill them? Also what does the guy do other than lecture you?
>>1508109263 dots Life sphere is can make yourself heal faster, maybe boost your strength a few dots. 4 dots Life is you can heal actual wounds mid combat, or turn into a normal animal.5 dots Life can turn you into an actual supernatural animal, or turn someone else into a plantIt very much a exponential. 1 Dot does nothing 3 Dots can does something slightly supernatural 5 dots is can do anything related to the sphere.
>>150811029You probably get to use the BFG Wolf killer 9000 like, four times tops and then it explodes and takes you out with it
>>150811023So what, Alfa’s team is skipping several part of Magnus’s character development to just have Markus find his avatar in the Umbra and either fuse with it to become Janus or destroy it and become the Crimson King?Are they stupid?
>>150811066No. He just isn't a fucking mage.
>>150811066That isn't how mages or avatars work.
>>150811029>What if you use a super strong shotgun with magic and then kill them?No. What you can do is Matter 3, transmute the metal in the buckshot into silver, and do serious damage. And even then it's more tolerable as a rote, basically a spell with steps you have to perform to make it happen; and you had that silver shot on hand long before the fight started. As long as no one saw what shell you loaded into the gun, it counts. Wrinkle is one of the worst spirits that can visit you. He stops all of time and presents you with a choice to try again. If you agree, you get put back to the moment before you cast to try again. If you refuse, he rewrites the timeline so you were never born.
>>150810949You need to reapply the magic eye I figure, but he seems like a mage on the cusp of awakening yeah. He could just be a sorcerer as >>150811021 says
>>150811042>>150811060Interesting, I suppose these mechanics are borderline impossible to shove into a video game then
>>150811167Barely works on tabletop. Which is why most magefags just theory craft about how strong they could be if they had a doormat of ST who never looked at the paradox section of the books and think up spells that'd require months if not years of playtime to get the spheres required to cast them
>>150811167You can sorta. But you'd be limited to rotes rather than freeform spellcrafting. Think Vampire bloodlines, but rather than disciplines messing with the Masqerade, higher level rotes damage you physically if cast outside designated areas
>>150811167>>150811192Yes and yes, Magic is really powerful but paradox is more powerful, and any overt use of magic in front of mortals is playing Russian rulelet.Unlike what the mage fags think, maybe one mage out of a million even make it 3 dots before being killed off by paradox.
>>150811123>>150811192>>150811253>>150811270Damn lads, thank you for the gestalt. I guess this explains the memes of mage players killing themselves or why mage devolves into 1 part cosmological discussion 1 part dbz. Very enlightening
>>150811270And that's not bringing up the many other ways a mage can be horribly killed worse than a gangrel who stumbled on a Garou potluck
>>150811270Isn't the starting character usually around 3 dots in a sphere>>150811253That does sound painful
>>150811291Well yeah. Mage was meant to be played to let you explore limitless possibilities...within limits. It's kinda dumb but it is understandable to keep players from inventing a spell like "Win the game forever" and just ruining any tension of a story.
>>150811316>Isn't the starting character usually around 3 dots in a sphereNo look up Alfabusa's Norfolk wizard game. We got 3 sessions so far and the most powerful they have is like 1 dot.
>>150802671You wanna be some vile bitch's living marital aid, that's it isn't it?You're just...looking to become a mangled sextoy.
Reminder. Abandoned/ destroyed Tremere chantries kill most mages that try to loot them, without a single vampire being on the premise. Their shit ass little gremlin blood babies and traps are more than enough to TPK mages
>>150811455>vampire Jews are stwonga than wizard JewsThis isn’t the own you think it is.
>>150811333Isn't Norfolk unique for starting the game pre-ascension and not giving the players any established background? like genuine freshies, it sort of makes sense
>>150811480It isnt even the tremere. It's there roomba that racks up a body count of Gandalfs and Dumbledores
>>150810393Because it's still stealing from the Arcanum behind Occam's back, and to finance hunters that are expressly not following the Arcanum's policy of non-interventionist scholarship. It being a noble cause that Fatigue had his reasons for prioritizing over the Arcanum's own status and wealth might alleviate the crime (you can even think he was 100% in the right and doesn't deserve scorn for it), but it is still a crime. Otherwise he wouldn't have done it in secret.Also, I now wonder if the reason why the Arcanum doesn't hunt and doesn't do anything with the knowledge it gathers has to do with Pascal getting out barely alive from that hunt and seeing nothing but devastation and dead friends because of having gone on a hunt, then passing down those lessons to the next generations of his family Remold and Occam which are the ones that push for that non-interventionism.
>>150811556His son at least attempted to hunt werebears. He didnt inherit shit
>>150804015Man, I wish Matilda's VA did asmr now.I wanna hear her cleaning dishes while cussing out her boss as I fall asleep.>>150804080Boys will be lads.
>>150811556Arcanum probably wants to understand the supernatural in it's entirety before it renders judgement, though it wouldn't surprise me if they lend information to other groups
>>150803375That's still pretty cute to me, she's trying so hard to be scary it's adorable.I wanna drag my tongue across her gums while tugging her hair now.
>>150803996Who where supposed to deal with the wyrm
>>150811270If I was a Mage, I'd still be strapped up all the time.I'm not gambling with shit.Bullets work in any form of consensus as far as I know.
>>150810926Lemme put it this way with some rotes.1 dot>Quick Reading - Mind 1>You read faster2 dots>Persuasion - Mind 2>The mage using this rote can convince others more easily. Adds 1dice/2 successes to any manipulation roll. It lasts only as long as the scene.3 dots>Prison of Beauty - Mind 3>This defensive rote was apparently inspired by the weakness of the Toreadors. The Apostle simply floods the mind of the victim with the beauty of something, be it a flower, a person or just a shadow. The victim becomes entranced and forgets everything he or she was doing.4>Dream Knowledge - Mind 4>You can learn what other people are planning...but you get this knowledge while dreaming so you got to be asleep first, and the effect wears off after you wake up5> Imprison>You trap someone who is asleep in their dream and they can't wake up
>>150811305Like Nephandi and hell dimensions?
>>150811841Wereboars. Only thing on earth that could delete wyrm corruption, by eating it. It was their Gaia given task, to ear up wyrm shit.The garou killed all of them to the point their only legacy in modern nights are their vengeance hungry ancestral spirits. The werebears were nearly collateral cause they went "guys, stop being retarded! They're our cleaners" and for refusing to tell the garou how to resurrect their mega Hitler folk heros
>>150809604>How do Black Furies even keep kinfolk/birth rates then?The Black Furies are a fertility cult that worships femininity as much as it hates men. Their entire culture is built around the stages of womanhood, with the middle being the mother. Their leadership structure is modelled after the structure of a vagina. They're one of the two most sex-positive tribes of the Garou Nation and make up for the lack of male non-metis Garou with a whole lot of sex and by recruiting female Garou who abandoned their previous tribes, typically due to sex-based mistreatment.
>>150803996The Wyrm is trapped in the Wevr's web.The Wevr's web is comprised of metareal expressions of concepts which the Wevr reigns over as well as things directly linked to those concepts.Science, Technology, Adaptation, Growth, Change, Evolution, and so much more.As the Wyrm languishes in its prison, it becomes increasingly insane and corrupt.That corruption seeps out of its prison, slowly but surely spreading out across the web and staining the concepts comprising it.The only way to improve the WoD setting long-term would be to free the Wyrm and to convince the Wevr to not attempt to recontain it.However, in the short term, this would lead to untold calamity and possibly a total planetary omnicide before the Wyrm's psyche stabilizes and it reverts back into something resembling the wholesome force it once was.
>>150811881Bullets do work, but some bullets work better than others. That's why alchemy exists.
>>150811903That's one of the ways. Still dozens of more
>>150811903Some dreamer cutting you off from your body while you sleep and trapping you in the umbra. You can't wake up while severed, but you dissolve into nothing if someone kills your sleeping body.
>>150812016Yeah one of the endings of WtA is the wyrm getting free, and him and Weaver fucking a new world into existence afterwards
>>150811923>mega hitler folk heroesWhat now?
>>150812112Werewolves still venerate their ancestors that made most of their biggest fuck ups Werebears knew garou would abuse the fuck out of the rite to return the dead to life and bring back the biggest, most violent retards ever produced by the garou speciesSo that, plus them standing by the wereboars when they killed a few heavily and obviously wyrm corrupted wolves, the garou tried and nearly killed them all. The species only survived cause they had a habit of hibernating deep in the Umbra and those guys escaped the rage tard death squads
>>150809169>I really don't understand what 'sin' Fatigue feels like he committedHis family had spent at least several generations flaying Werewolves for a fucked up evil ritual, kidnapping children to do so, on top of his realizing he was, indirectly or not, taking advantage of a native people for his own fun and adventure. The guy came from a very well-off family and it's clear that the idea of "Legacy" was probably hammered into him from the time he was a child. He just thought that legacy was a noble one, so his entire worldview and self-image was shattered.Wayda was laying it on a bit too thick for my taste, but I don't think it's that crazy that Fatigue would feel a moral responsibility to make up for the atrocities his family committed. Or that it would necessitate 80 years of work to balance centuries of sin. And I mean Fatigue the character is believably written that way, regardless of whether the writers or audience believe in the concept of 'sins of the father'.And here's something you won't really understand if you get too caught up in racial politics and the ethics of colonization: PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS COCK BALLES
>>150812105but what happens to everyone else and Gaia?
>>150812230Not arguing with you but if Wernon felt guilt for Garou because the villagers were protected from Gangrel by a Child of Gaia and Wernon learned some werewolves are sapient and even morally good, then no one would be upset with his indentured servitude and giving resources from the Arcanum to Garou. More importantly a Red Talon killing someone actively helping Garou would further hammer home just how retarded woofs are and how the cycle of suffering perpetuates itself.The writer in the office needs a sock party for this dogshit.
>>150812166>these are the good guys in WoD
>>150812332Dead. Its the best outcome of WtA's version of the ending of WoD
>>150812360No, thats the technocracy. They ghost nuked and glassed Bangladesh with a solar lazer with AND killed an Anteduvelian in the process
>>150812345>his indentured servitude and giving resources from the Arcanum to GarouBut that's not what happened. He shacked up with the hunter org Nails of Christ, and they are assholes themselves. The big difference is they do not shy away from calling foreigners out for being stupid, since one of the their core tenets is that all the evil supernatural shit plaguing their island came with the foreigners.
>>150812345If that were the case that would be quite kino actually. I think Wayda, who was somewhat sociopathic, hammering down the whole sins of the father approach while Wernon was mentally susceptible was pretty fine though the framing wasn't the best. Also>Matilda Red TalonI doubt this
>>150812166>>150812112>>150811923The chronology of the War of Rage actually goes something like this:>A particularly brutal leader of the Silver Fang tribe harassed the Fera and tried to convince them to do what he wanted.>Other leaders of the Silver Fang sent an honoured emissary with a message to tell this leader to fucking quit it.>A Wyrm-corrupted snake shapeshifter assassinated the respected messenger before he could deliver the message.>Due to where the assassination occurred, the brutal leader executed a cat shapeshifter and then brought the dead messenger to the bear shapeshifters.>Because the bear shapeshifters can resurrect the dead, he demanded that they resurrect the dead messenger, because he's an honoured Silver Fang.>Due to the belligerence of the leader, the bear shapeshifters refused and declared that whoever killed the messenger must have done so righteously. >The leader proceeded to attack the bear shapeshifters, who went to the boar shapeshifters for protection, while the cat shapeshifters geared up to avenge their own fallen comrade.>And then the entire conflict spiralled out of control when the rest of the Garou saw the other shapeshifters ganging up on one of their own and the War of Rage began.And the Wyrm sat back with a shit-eating grin, all according to keikaku.
>>150812360Wanna hear how the werebats died? Shadowlords came to America, were greeted by friendly Werebats, native to the region, and immediately killed them all off cause they mistook fellow Fera for fucking Tzmisce vampires somehow.Then covered it up and pretend they dont know what happened to the werebats the American tribes keep wondering what happened to
>>150812419He was forced to clean the shitter for 20 years while being indoctrinated that everything he ever learned in Europe is bad and wrong. He was an indentured servant.
>>150812464>How on earth could the Shadow Lords have mistaken a bunch of bat shapeshifters who lorded over a culture built on blood sacrifice for a bunch of blood-sucking vampires who loved shapeshifting into bat-like monsters, after millennia of zero contact with the bat shapeshifters and likely considering them extinct?Not saying that the Shadow Lords were in the right but come on, man, don't play coy.
>>150812406They didn't kill the Anteduvelian in the process, they royally fucked over themselves and the spirit world to kill the Anteduvelian and it only just barely worked because every breed of supernatural monster was fighting it at the same time, and in doing so cut off their assets in the Umbra and created Threat Null.Technocracy is modern day Garou. In that they claim to be helping fix the world then making things a hundred times worse.
>>150812406Based>>150812384W:tA is pretty fucked then. Hopefully Weaver getting the dicking stops the entire thing from happening again
>>150812530WIZARDSNO SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG
>>150812527They'd be able to tell immediately. Vampires stink of wyrm shit. sensing wyrm shit is one of the basic Garou powers
>>150812493>He was forced to clean the shitter for 20 yearsNo he wasn't. >being indoctrinated that everything he ever learned in Europe is bad and wrongIt was, it's all Wyrm tainted>He was an indentured servant.That's just you inserting hyperbole
>>150812603k
>>150812530I love threat null. Technocrat archmagrs turned into alien monsters cause they were in the Umbra when the avatar storm started Didnt the Bangladesh incident also nuke the underworld and end Wraith prematurely, but also started Changeling and a few other gamelines?
>>150809169>For OccamBetraying the trust of the Yarmouth Arcanum Chapterhouse by unofficially funneling resources and information to the Nails of Christ hunter organization.>For WaydaNo idea. It seems extremely stupid and almost externally coerced.Wernon had not wronged Wayda, or the Nails of Christ organization, or the Philippines people at all.Was he mindbroken by nonsensical white guilt?Was he driven by some antiquated concept of bearing responsibility for his lineage's sins?He's dead now, so we may never know.
>>150812610Yup
>>150812615>Was he driven by some antiquated concept of bearing responsibility for his lineage's sins?This is how I immediately interpreted it.
>>150812615>unofficially funneling resources and information to the Nails of Christ hunter organization.No, he was funneling it to organizations across South East Asia. Pay attention. By the modern day, Nails of Christ are so lost in their nutjob conspiracies they are barely an org anymore.
>>150812464>>150812455Garou really are their own worst enemy
>>150812573Classic, next they'll summon a portal to the demon realm>>150812579tbf the blood sacrifice stuff is probably wyrm-coded aesthetically even if it helped keep human population low
>>150812571Probably created the new world/ Chronicles of Darkness setting. Which is notably less shit and doomed to a dozen different simultaneous apocalypses. But your mileage may vary
>>150812686Looks and aesthetics dont matter when you've got magic/ spiritual wyrm radar and can see the "vampires" arent pinging on it
>>150812615>Wernon had not wronged Waydabetween the naming, being part of the reason for the expedition, and other, he sort of did. Although not so much as to have a life debt and the whole "she was like a mother to me">antiquated concept of bearing responsibilityYes, this was in the 1920's or so, maybe even earlier, certainly antiquated if anything
>>150812690Speaking of Chronicles it's basically dead right?
>>150812715Tard rage will make a woof believe anything methinks
>>150812579Wyrm stink clings to anything associated with death and destruction, it's not just generated by the supernatural. I'm pretty sure all of the Mesoamerican blood sacrifice shit that the Camazotz presided over would have generated a fair bit of that taint.
>>150812741Yep, paradox stopped funding new books and left it to rot, which is why Curseborn got made cause the company in charge of it really wanted to make more chronicles booksBut paradox wanted a new old worlds edition for bloodlines 2, and shat out V5 and later W5
>>150812741Since the only objective better CoD splats are Vigil and Lost, there’s no reason to use most CoD splats when V20 exists.
>>150812761The mesoamerican people's were also ruled over by wyrm tainted vampires and other abominations that directly started the whole blood sacrifice culture. At least if Chaos Factor, and the pure tribes source book is anything to go by.
>>150811270Even archmasters can't step foot into reality as a rule because they're so anti-Consensu they'll immediately eat shit from Paradox and die. You're never going to see someone like Voormas freely walking around if it isn't somewhere in the Middle Umbra, for example.
>>150812785It does have Promthean thou. And Deviant.But Beast drags it down big time
>>150812762A bit tragic that Mage v5 will be next if Bloodlines does well, or WoD is dead if it doesn't. Even worse any vidya has to use the v5 ruleset
>>150812715>>150812579Sense Wyrm is not an objectively correct Detect Evil sensor that works 100% of the time. Vampires with high enough Humanity do not ping as Wyrm-tainted, Banes and Black Spiral Dancers have tricks that allow them to hide their Wyrm taint and Pentex loves nothing more than to cover innocent people with Wyrm taint, just to trick the most retarded werewolves into massacring innocent civilians. More intelligent werewolves realise that just because something lacks taint doesn't mean it's good and just because something has taint doesn't mean it's bad.
>>150812332Everything dies except some spirits who will implicitly go on to repopulate the new Tellurian.
>>150793821What's up with all the poorly written fan-fiction in these threads?
>>150812828Beast is the best goon material and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
>>150812828I read the Promethean book and it's kind of... okay. I suppose it was a missing archetype of horror/supernatural but it's rather particular even more so than other books
>>150812898Everyone thinks writing a narrative is easy but they only prove themselves retarded.
>>150812880My main problem with V5 and W5, besides raping the lore and tone. Is that they desperately want to be CofD games. And lift several systems and mechanical concepts wholesale from them. If I wanted Requiem, Id play Requiem. But V5 feels like the bastard homonculus of trying to shove Requiem into a Masquerade shaped cube
>>150812940That's kind of impressive. I thought CofD already had worse tone than the originals somewhat, though I guess it also depends as it genuinely improves some of the weirder fetish-fuel elements of the books
>>150812908No, that's Changeling the Lost. The amount of fetish shit you can do with that game is incredible. I can't think of any game where "I've always let hot women walk over me so a fey princess kidnapped me and turned me into her personal footstool" could be a genuine origin for a player-character.
>>150812979Had a player legit play a changeling in lost who'd been turned into a True fan's heels. She was the deadliest combatant of the motley
>>150812690>Which is notably less shit and doomed to a dozen different simultaneous apocalypses.>the Exarchs>the Abyss & the Annunaki>the fact the God-Machine can destroy the universe whenever the fuck it wants>the Judges of Duat>the Idigam>the Geryo>Void spirits>getting diddled by True Fae>fucking AmmutEhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.>>150812785Forsaken isn't as fun to discuss Garou being retarded in like WTA but it's still pretty good.
>>150812979Beast is a splat written by an actual sexual abuser justifying his behavior and codifying it.
>>150813024God machine isnt God. Its strong but its a localized menace. Capital G God exists, just like old wod, godmachine is something else.
>>150813024What does Forsaken have instead of retarded dog fuckers who have breeding slaves and tard rage?
>>150813025Yeah, that's what causes it to go from "hot fetish bait" to "genuinely unsettling and gross." Very few people can have a good time knowing that the shit that they're jacking off to was written by a legitimate predator as apologia for his actions.
>>150813025this isn’t the own you think it is
>>150813066Retarded spirit cops who hunt bad spirits because of the sins of the father, since their ancestors were so retarded that they killed the one true wolf spirit who hunted bad spirits, an original sin so bad that it split paradise into the physical world and the spirit world. They also have to deal with their even more retarded cousins who blame them for what their retarded ancestors did and try to exterminate them, while serving the bad spirits in an effort to try and restore the lost paradise of old.It's still retarded furries being retarded.
>>150813066Guilty descendants of a werewolf god trying to fulfill his spiritual duties, fighting fragments of other animal gods their spiritual liege rip and tore, cousins who think cause their ancestors sat and watched father wolf get jumped they have no blame, and spirits that like to canniablize and turn into insane hybrids of concepts..
>>150813084Also that dark family bullshit where every supernatural loves beasts and theyre all one big happy family is the smelliest dog shit ever produced by a world of darkness product
>>150813149>>150813146Well, I guess Woofs will be Woofs anyway
>>150813184Yeah. Some Forsaken killed a village of Brineborn for existing, but that was a one off wolf-out rather than an aimed and successful genocide against the poor bastardsSo the Uratha still have the moral high ground over the Garou
>>150813210Except for the whole "we were so retarded that we killed our ancestor-god who was holding everything together and ruined the world for everyone forever" thing.
>>150813250Furry self hate
>>150813250The Spider spirit that papa wolf tore apart is too blame for that, since her venom made the original Uratha think Father was old and dying. Even his wife Luna pardoned them when she saw that they were willing to seek absolution and legitimately didn't know they werent mercy killing her husband, Father Wolf, who would've recovered but...well, the world of Pangea was brutal enough that executing the old, infirm and ailing was considered standard practice Meanwhile, if the Garou had done it, they'd have refused to take responsibility and tried to kill Luna for daring to accuse them of fucking up
>>150813319They could have literally just tried curing it or sensing its waning potency with the many gifts that allow werewolves to do such things, and they are retarded for not doing so. They literally ruined the entire world for everyone and forever because of a lack of due diligence.
>>150813352Id say most things are happy to not live in Pangea anymore. The place was a shithole for anyone that wasnt an Animistic primordial god like father wolf or his progenyAlso pretty sure the Uratha only got gifts after they took up the mantle of spirit cops after Papa Wolf bit the big one and died
>>150813380Not really. Humanity had far more access to magic and spiritual aid than at any other point in the world's history and almost none of the apocalyptic threats in >>150813024 would have been able to establish themselves without being smacked down by daddy wolf.
>>150813448Humanity was also being hyper preyed upon by spirits that shrugged off that magic like a light rainAlso none of those threats are really apocalyptic, since none of them actively want to end the world and just sit in their own corner causing their flavor of bad shit.
>>150798192>>150802032Is this poster a bot or something?What the fuck?
>>150813510>Humanity was also being hyper preyed upon by spirits that shrugged off that magic like a light rainWhat do you think Father Wolf spent all of his time fighting and holding off? That's what would have happened if he wasn't around, but he was there and he stopped that, at least until his retard offspring fucked everything up.
>>150813352They couldn't have. The Pangaean Archdemons that would become the Hosts were almost at the level of Father Wolf himself, which none of the Uratha compared to. And even if the Uratha didn't step up, several of his other children (including his eldest) probably would have pulled some BS long before he could recover and just ruined everything anyway. The Uratha were by far the best of a terrible situation and Luna understood that. >>150813448>and almost none of the apocalyptic threatsThe Judges could have popped Father Wolf like a soap bubble if they cared and if they decided he was in violation of one of their autistic laws, and there's absolutely nothing he could do about Ammut who is effectively God for all intents and purposes. And the Geryo are literally Urfarah's fault because he decided to give the Dark Mother the knot prior to making the Uratha with Luna and surprise, the kids came out as horrible abominations he had to lock up instead of his heirs. I'll give you that the others link the Exarchs or the Abyss probably wouldn't have come about if he hadn't died though.
>>150813595>The Uratha were by far the best of a terrible situation and Luna understood that.A situation that they created via their retarded actions.
The great comedy of basically every instance of werewolves is that they in no way act like wolves.
>>150813058No, there's an explicitly detailed scenario of the God-Machine destroying the universe basically on a whim. It even has entire apocalyptic timeliness it contains (because it still needs reality intact) and could potentially release whenever if it truly cared to. It's not THE God, but it's a cosmic force in its own right.>>150813616They had nothing to do with him being poisoned by a demon spider god (who they could never hope to have beaten even at its weakest) and had no way of knowing their dad would have recovered on his own. And even if he did, it's implied Father Wolf was gradually weakening anyway due to growing human advancement so eventually, there'd be a time when he simply wouldn't have been able to keep up and Pangaea would have shattered anyway. Assuming some faggot like Silver Wolf wouldn't have tried to usurp him whilst he was sick anyway.
>>150813550No. Father wolf did that cause it was in his nature to hunt. He didnt give a rats ass about humanity. He just had an instinct to hunt other spirits, same as the spider having an instinct to weave webs that stabilized the world to the point of stasis, same as the rat that gnawed holes in reality and risked breaking it apart, same as the locust that devoured relentlessly. He maintained order because his prey were the things that made shit somehow more dangerous and chaotic than Pangea was.Shit, you could argue the Uratha are Father Wolf's version of Hosts. Even though wolf hosts are their own seperate thing, but act like a reverse host in that they only possess the animal rather than a person, which ive always thought meant they were actually closer to Human hosts. Father wolf was a spirit, and just like the spirits he failed to completely stomp out, his legacy is a bunch of miniature copies of himself doing a worse job of what he used to doJust like the Spiders, Rats, Locusts, Leeches, crabs, crows, snakes, Cicadas, toads, worms, the previously metioned wolf hosts (who dont really act or behave like a host. Considering their choice of hosts and behavior) , Lamprey, Fungus and termites. And those are just the official ones. Father wolf really had an awful record of actually killing his quary
>>150813705It's sorta similar to how CofD Luna is the Warden Moon. She doesn't necessarily care about humanity specifically (though she's not blatantly antagonistic to us like Helios is) but because of what she is by nature, she bars and contains worse threats from reaching Earth. Father Wolf probably wasn't ever an actual THREAT to mankind, and probably didn't bear us any ill will either, but he was no spiritual superhero. He hunted and killed and contained because that is what he was. It's mostly down to circumstances that the shit he fought and hunted were apocalyptic threats to reality.
>>150813740Yep, he was just a big spirit doing what spirits did. And the fact that there are no human spirits, but his direct descendants are a mix of wolf and man, does make one wonder if they weren't the result of wolf/ human spirit MagathThen again, some people think the strix are Human spirits or some shit.
>>150811021The eye didn't work for everyone. Markus was the first new person in ages that it worked for.
>>150813989Yeah he became Imbued, which is why he saw all those messages. When you become Imbued, your soul is guarded against all things supernatural, included awakening your avatar. Effectively he shut himself off from ever becoming a mage.
>>150813989Not what they were saying. The eye is a hunter artifact. It would only work REAL capital h Hunters, like the Imbued. Wernon lost the ability to use it, while it almost seemed to pull Marcus to them.If we compare young Fatigue with Marcus they have a lot in common. They're curious and approach the supernatural as scholars, and theyre also been kept in the dark by their fathersThe eye has a type and it's huge Nerds with daddy issues
>>150814012I wonder how hard their going to go by mage rules.When all splats is the name of the game, I assume things get weird fast.
>>150814042The rule is "no fucking hybrids". There are ways to say, become a Garou Ghoul or just pick up some sorcery (Haight did both, since even he recognized how shit it was to be an Abomination) but becoming any full supernatural, locks you out of becoming another. Abominations (Garou + Vampire) are the one exception, and don't last long.Marcus probably just met criteria used by the eye to use it, and didnt become a imbued Hunter who are legit blessed by Angels of the Christian God. Since Imbued can't enter the Umbra nor be forced into it.
>>150814042The whole point of making it impossible was to curb players from making an supercharged mage-hunter-vampire sorcerer. There are exceptions, but they are very rare, and need to have a lot of very specific things happen. Like having True Faith(which MIGHT happen as Marcus let slip his dreams are messages from the cosmic divine), and the angel watching over Markus force starts his Avatar to save him from something that would otherwise doom him, like an elder vampire trying to embrace him. Again, it has to be very specific circumstances
>>150814094>>150814110I'm talking more about how fast and loose Orge Poppenang are going to treat the rules since they do put a disclaimer at the start of every video that they are not strictly abiding by them.I doubt there will be anything too crazy, but it's how the different rule books would interact with each other that I'm curious about.I don't know enough about WoD to make a guess on anything specific, but the balancing in Werewolf the Apocalypse and Mage the Awakening are likely very different meaning there may be more unforeseen interactions than thought possible.
>>150814176Not really. Balance is only an issue when the players are split across splats. Having a Garou as a boss in a Vampire game or squashing an uppity hippy mage in a Garou game as a fun lil treat are very easy to keep in check, it's when you've got a Inbued, a Cainite, a Garou and a fucking demon in a group as pals, then balance becomes an issue cause some splats are stronger than others. It's not an issue of trying to make them fit, it's a "Steve can survive ten times more damage than my character and heal it up by next round"
>>150785710I wanna see Elise's painted goth feet.
>>150814276I wanna see Elise lose weight.
>>150814317I wanna see her gain more.
>>150814317you sick fuck
>>150800803Arcueid,my beloved
