Are there any bigger crybabies in comics than Pre-Crisis Superman fans? From Mark Waid to Mark Millar to thise guys on Twitter, they are all manchildren. It's been 40 years since Byrne's Man of Steel and they still haven't gotten over it despite DC bringing back pretty much everything.
>>151733703What was so special about Pre-Crisis Superman that sets him apart from Modern anyway (I mean, besides the tryhard attempts to make him cooler than Batman)?
>>151733703>to thise guys on TwitterWe don't all follow whatever bullshit from that site man.
>>151733703Spider-Man fans who demand the marriage back.X-Men stans.But yeah, pre-crisis Superman stans are up there. Mark Waid's meltdown after watching Man of Steel is hilarious.
>>151733703>manchildrenA lot of the people who hate Byrne Superman these days are zoomers actually
I remember one of those retards making a YouTube video about how My Adventures with Superman worked because it was a rejection of Byrne's Superman.Only for the creators behind the show to come out and say Byrne was the main inspiration behind the show and do an evil kryptonians twist in season 2
>>151710895maybe that guy
>>151733703Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow was Alan Moore's nerdrage as a comic for COIE
>>151733703Tbf if in 40 years they still haven’t brought back straight kid Jon from space I’ll still be vocally seething about it. >>151733810No they were told to dislike Byrne because he’s “problematic”. They dont read comics or understand why theyre supposed to dislike him.
Post 2000 She-Hulk fans are the worst.
>>151734352No they hate his run because of shit like he did to Brainiac
>>151733793Desu those havent been doing it as long, and with spider-man, the whole removing the marriage thing comes from the same people who push for pre-crisis superman (as in people who dont want shit to change from the 70s)
>>151733793You get that Waid's problem isn't with pre or post crisis, but that they had Superman murder General Zod, right?
>>151735020If you aren't using them for the sequel, it is efficient to kill off the bad guys.
>>151733703The Silver Age Batman guys put them to shame. Frank Miller created the Batman that's beloved the world over. Kick rocks.>>151733749In essence, nothing but these people are manchildren who fear their own mortality and fetishize everything from when they were kids.
>>151735020And, again, his childish, retarded hatred of that scene is childish and retarded. The scene was supposed to be a tragedy and directly linked to what he is advocating for. Can't believe I'm debating this shit in 2025.
>>151733703Who is the great Scotsman Superman is referring to?
Pre-crisis is garbage hyped by retards or boomers. And even the boomers clowned that shit. It only started getting good in the late 70s, and to be honest, I rate Kirby, Byrne, and the Donner movie as the first good things done with the character. Superman was a bag of shit for four decades. My conspiracy theory is that DC had to sell the slop to midw(it)est retards.
>>151735084No he didn't. O'Neil redefined Batman into what he is today and what people like about him most.
>>151735763>>151733703the sad thing is boomer hands are typing this garbageyou should just get together and agree to spend the money to hire an Indian bot farm, like the Snyder Cultist, so that you could observe how to actually manipulate enough of the collection of losers you want to influence towards your awful take.
>>151735906NTA, but my personal favorite is The Dark Knight Returns.I prefer Englehart to O'Neil too.
>>151733703It's actually the zoomers these days who shit on what Post-Crisis did to Superman believe it or not
Superman has not been culturally relevant since before Crisis.
>>151737442I'm torn because I don't like that they keep having too fixed a view on Superman but at the same time I'm actually impressed they read comics made before they were born. They come off more genuine than the kinds of movie shills you see that just simply go "this happened in the comic" or something
>>151735020You get that melting down about a logically consistent, character defining moment in a story is absurd and childish, right?
>>151735906>this fag againFrank Miller imbued the character with the prestige and gravity that carried him from a joke into a character on the same wavelength as James Bond and has transcended comics. O'Neill played into what came before too much to be given that honor.
>>151734376Zoomers have never actually read a single comic written by John Byrne. They barely read the manga they claim to love.
>>151737442>the next 15 yearsIt really wasnt, triangle era didnt at all?
>>151733810Zoomers are about to be an in their 20's only generation anon
>>151737990>NOOO SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP YOU FUCKING CHUD I DONT CARE I DONT CARE SUPERMAN DOESN'T KILL EVER AHHHHHThe reaction to that moment sealed it for me way back when. The vast majority of humanity are truly NPC's in the flesh and deserve annihilation.
>>151737999Trying too hard + he owned you. Deal with being wrong nerd
>>151734352>tbf if in 40 years they still haven’t brought back straight kid Jon from space I’ll still be vocally seething about itYeah but that’s actually worth bitching about. >>151737999Trips of truth, based.
>>151736151It's literally garbage, anon. From a less healthy era for the industry. You saw that 9 out of 10 interviews with people who worked back then are bitter about the treatment they received. And the 10th guy is too senile to remember it, or he was never sued by the company for selling art he made himself.
>>151733793>Spider-Man fans who demand the marriage back.the ones who don't want the marriage are the same ones crying for pre-Crisis Superman to return lmao faggot
>>151738887The industry was healthier back then because people actually bought comics.
Dickfags are easily the most horrendous group. They harass just about everybody over everything.>harassed Seeley and King during the Grayson era>harassed Tom Taylor and burned pics of him during his run>treating Devin Grayson as a boogeyman and outright lying about her>also early 00s Devin Grayson herself>Dexter S*y got harassed by them and Jasonfags for retweeting innocent art of Dick and Jason standing there because the non-english speaking artist has drawn JayDick before, and then later got shat all over because many a Dickfag hate his art on the current run, and also got shat for drawing Dick as a cop for a commission despite Dick canonically having been a cop>many of them turn into Hitler despite calling themselves leftists if you correct them and say writers other than Grayson have brought up the romani thing and that it's been referenced as late as 20 issues ago (which is mostly just really funny)Cassfags and X-Menfags are really close though.Batfags, Stormfags, Jeanfags, and Hulkfags are the worst with regards to powerscaling discussions though.
>>151739061>harassed Seeley and King during the Grayson era>harassed Tom Taylor and burned pics of him during his run>treating Devin Grayson as a boogeyman and outright lying about her>also early 00s Devin Grayson herselfAll of these people are odious shit smears so I see no problem with any of this.
>>151739005it's probably a seething Marvel editor since they're complaining about X-fans and Spider-Man marriage fans
Xfags are the worst because they try to kill you if you say ethnostates are bad.
>>151733703I forget, isn't Pre-Crisis Superman the same as Earth-2 Superman or are they talking about Earth-1 Superman?
>>151738001>never actually readPiracyThey read comics through piracy
>>151739515Whenever they're talking about Pre-Crisis Superman, 90% of the time they mean Earth-1 Superman
>>151733703Snyderfags.
>>151738008The triangle era was still using the Byrne origin from Man of Steel, DC didn't revise the origin again until that overrated mini by Waid in the early 2000s. That pic isn't the only person to sperg out about Byrne's idea to have post-Crisis Superman 'born' on Earth being 'anti-immigrant'.
>>151740381Byrne, Kirby, and Donner invented modern Superman. They were the first to create a logical lore. You don't have anything to work with before that. See how All Star Superman is episodic because the Golden and Silver Ages have no continuity, and also because Morrison is plagiarizing Supreme.
>>151739458there's a very good chance Brevoort browses this board
>>151733703Golden age supes is good while silver age supes is silliness
Gen X’er here.While I liked late Bronze Age Superman starting in 1976 and through 1985, I can’t stand the silver age.I understand what John Byrne was doing but Luthor become more of a Kingpin clone (complete with weight gain) and Brainiac lost the robotic edge that finally had made him cool.
People only likes silver age supes because memes
>>151735020Ehhhhhhhh is it murder though. When a cop shoots some didu that's blasting his Uzi at a crowd, it isn't murder. This was pretty much the same thing except Supes necksnapped him rather than laser visioning him back.
>>151741888And then literally melted down about it. It’s not like he giggled and bathed in his blood as waid’s faggot ass would have you imagine.
>>151739591No, they don’t. They watch comics-explained YouTubers and look at twitter posts. They don’t actually read comics.
>>151739505Ethnostates are good, they're right about that. The problem with X-fags is that in any conflict that's humans vs. literally anything else you're obviously supposed to pick the human side and they insist on doing the opposite.
>>151739061Honestly King, Seeley, Taylor and Grayson deserve every bit of vitriol they get. Grayson for ruining dick with her gypsy bullshit which has led to the poor guy getting casuals on social media coloring him brown as mud and demanding he be dark skinned in comics. king, seeley and Taylor deserve even worse for their awful runs but also for having resoundingly offensive careers elsewise. >>151739505No these are twitter fags. Actual X-Men fans hated krakoa.
>>151742903Then explain LOCG reviews and Twitter live readings
>>151742903Mate, comic twitter is full of people like that but the people who do read comics actually know their shit better than /co/ when it comes to capeshitAn early 20 something Hawk fan pointed out Waid got misinfo from a fucking weebly site
>>151733703I don't really get why anyone likes silver age slop. Superman is a creepy alien freak who toys with humanity like they're his pets. He plays an exaggerated caricature of the meager, pathetic human everyman to blend in. 12 year old Superboy flying around rural Kansas is fucking stupid. How could he possibly retain a secret identity after that? And the Legion of Superheroes is just so fucking lame. They're all so dorky and boring, I hate their intrusion on his small town backstory so much.
>>151742943>twitter live readingsAre no different than comics explained accounts. Literally proving the point>LOCG reviewsAre just these shippers and losers praising good-boy and good-girl writers and shitting on problematic ones. >>151742970Samefagging is pathetic. And no, they don’t know more than the average /co/ poster. If you’re on the of the faggots that imagines >/co/ doesnt read comicsIs actually true then please leave or stream your suicide. If /co/ doesnt read comics you dont need to be here because that either includes you or leaves you with nothing to discuss. No chop chop, suicide or departure.
>>151743141>Are no different than comics explained accountsThey're more comparable to storytime threads>/co/ doesnt read comicsWe do have people reading comicsThe point was that the diehards on comic twitter objectively know and have read more than the average Anon on /co/
>>151742941Too be fair to Grayson, she had no idea what social media would one day become when she made that part into Dick’s heritage.
>>151743529>diehards on comic twitter objectively know and have read more than the average Anon on /co/The “diehards” that dont read comics, watch a few videos, skim a wiki and spam social media with assjuice opinions? No, they don’t. But by all means go back. Or Stream your suicide. Either works.
>>151743637>that dont read comicsThey follow reading orders, make reading orders themselves, and read through piracy no different from us.There's a reason why RCO watermarks are everywhere and why they complain if something hasn't been on that site or Batcave yetQuestion Anon, when did you get into capeshit comics?
>>151733793>Spider-Man fans who demand the marriage back.Do people not understand that Peter and MJ were fundamentally replaced with lobotomized caricatures of themselves and people want the original characters they fell in love with back Not to mention how dead the supporting cast is. He used to interact with dozens of people just in college alone. Then you had the Bugle staff and Aunt May running a home for retired people.
>Pre-Crisis Superman fansWhere do you even find such oldfags?
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>>151743718Where does he post?
>>151743688>t-t-they follow reading orders! That would require reading.
>>151743743Niggahttps://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/dazanWhy would they review comics and make recommended lists if they didn't actually read anything?
>>151743731See >>151733946It was a giant shitpost
>>151743731Self-published fanzine.Costs all the spare change in your pocket, available irregularly every 1-7 months outside the Morrisons where Tina with the massive tits works.
>>151743707Mark Waid is obsessed with shoving 60 year old trash stories back into canon.
>>151743894In modernized settings of course, like giving Robin and Aqualad pants now in their history.But yeah it’s no surprise he’s writing Superman’s teen years in Action comics, Dick’s teen years in Batman & Robin Year One, Jason’s teen years in Batman & Robin: Jason Todd, World Finest’s Teen Titans, Superman and Batman: World’s Finest and History of the DC universe, all taking place in the past.
>>151733946No it is wasn’t.
>>151744094Not him but people think it is because it came across as Moore going "Here's Superman losing everything that makes his mythos fun, do you REALLY want that?"
Superman is lame.
>>151743801Nigga Dazan (You) is a faggot.
>151744271Weak baitNo (you)s for you
>>151740562I believe it.
I like interpretations of Superman that lean more pre-Crisis than post-Crisis. Superman was both more whimsical and more tragic pre-Crisis.
>>151745636Just cut out the stupid silver age hijinks for me though.
>>151745694Those are fun though, you can't have pre-Crisis Superman without the hijinks. Otherwise he'd just be brooding all the time.
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