>>152236558
how about not reading marvel, but instead reading Usagi Yojimbo, Dylan Dog and re-reading some old Hellboy stories? That's literally what I am doing right now

>>152236595
because blade using enchanted holy weapons and progressing up from vampire hunter to demon and devil killer is cooler

>>152236558
blood hunt

>>152236609
lol

>>152236634
>>152236595
>re-reading
listen, if you can use usagi yojimbo, dylan dog and hellboy to talk shit about marvel, then fucking do it. go off, anon. how many times will we have to re-read the same good stories though? is reading your favorite story 10 times until you get sick of it how the comic industry maintains itself?

absolute wonder woman is good, and her using magical items is part of that. at worst it's just a gimmick but at the end of the day, wonder woman using magic is in line with her character, works with greek mythology and makes sense in a supernatural setting. for marvel to keep shitting itself and not have actual writers with actual creative thinking is fucking retarded.

>>152236634
Shut your whore mouth

>>152236618
okay cool what happened in it? anything important? anything memorable?

all the tuesday carol threads in the world are not going to make carol more popular.

>>152236558
This started as broad but 100% criticism of Marvel decisions & just turned into a pitch for a magic based event. I mean I agree there's massive untapped potential but pick a lane. Also at this point it wouldn't be worth it. They're fuck it up.

>>152237086
*100% fair criticism

>>152236558
I feel like Marvel's attitude toward One More Day is what led into their indifference toward geunine characterization and progress so you end up getting excessively extreme changes like
>-bendis shit on beast and writers after him were garbage. now beast is the biggest example of character assassination in /co/ history
And that's only the tip of the iceberg

>>152236595
>how about not reading marvel,
That's what everyone with taste does.

>>152237086
>pick a lane

why? i'm the OP i'll do what i want

also i'm pointing out how simple it is for writers to be creative and come up with solutions. instead we got time displace O5 x-men and beast using magic and no one fucking cared. can anyone tell if marvel editorial gives a shit about magic or did a writer want to do something and then it was never followed up on

>>152236925
>all the tuesday carol threads in the world are not going to make carol more popular.
Threads like that are why I wish we still had an IP counter.

>>152237154
P.S.

what the fuck was that shit with dr strange using an axe? is it not the case that marvel is actively shitting on magic and occult characters?

>>152237187
>what the fuck was that shit with dr strange using an axe?

I think someone said that Jason Aaron added that in. I forget why though.

>>152237154
Again if you just want to shit on Marvel for misusing & forgetting the magic aspect that isn't Thor entirely then just do that. Make a more focused thread.

>>152237201
well it's fucking dumb as long as it isn't some kind of special magical axe. it was nowhere near as memorable or important as thor's hammer. what's the fucking point?

>>152237221
>make a more focused thread

fuck you participate in the conversation and steer the conversation yourself or make your own thread instead of tone policing like a karen

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>>152236558
This is now a laugh at Beastnigger thread
>Hank "I nuked an underground enemy base with the Secret Avengers" McCoy
>Hank "I helped my girlfriend nuke an alternate universe" McCoy
>Hank "I put the timeline in danger because I thought I was dying" McCoy
>Hank "I nuked countless of alternate worlds with the Illuminati" McCoy
>Hank "I had The Watcher himself appear to me and tell me that I disgust him" McCoy
>Hank "I am the reason IvX exists" McCoy
>Hank "I enslaved Terra Verde" McCoy
>Hank "I operated my own space jail where I experimented on the inmates without anyone knowing" McCoy
>Hank "I used Wolverine as a weapon and then made clones of him for wetworks" McCoy
>Hank "I attempted to throw an entire planet of mutants into a black hole" McCoy
>Hank "I created a supervillain team with the end goal of turning humans into mutants" McCoy
>Hank "I went from using a robot body to a regular body because I got my dick wet from the baddie that my clone got" McCoy

>>152237163
Does knowing it is three people improve your happiness?

>>152237283
thanks for your input, bendis

>>152237283
Don't forget Vera

>>152236558
>but not bring back sleepwalker
be glad they would just ruin him

>>152237336
>>152237283
>anything that happened in krakoa

it's good to show everyone what bad marvel writing looks like

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>>152237283
>secret avengers
with a team, not acting unilaterally?

>timeline in danger
no one cared, magneto said it didn't matter, then a bunch of main characters voted to keep the O5 so marvel could try to sell shitty comics. thank bendis.

>illuminati
oversimpification, it was a natural disaster

>the watcher
bendis self insert

>IvX
he tried to stop a racewar

>black hole
insane and out of character

sluranon, you've been doing this since 2019

>>152237832
Penance Stare has to be the most useless ability around
>Supposed to make the target feel the pain they caused people
>Any schmoe can tank it because "I don't feel guilty" or some hackneyed shit

>>152237308
>Does knowing it is three people improve your happiness?
In some ways. In others it fills me with a sense of pity.

>>152237187
They’ve been actively shitting on their magic side since at least the 90s. The shit they did to Dr. Strange and especially characters like Ghost Rider or Werewolf By Night is criminal.

>>152237086
Is right though. I just wish they’d forget about magic instead of constantly fucking it up like they’re doing it now. The moment they started trying to demystify everything with “everything has a price” and all that stupid “nexus being” shit Wanda got wrapped up in, magic stopped being magic and started being a lame form of demonic mercantilism.

>>152237972
>since at least the 90s
can you elaborate or list some details? i'm actually interested. i've always wondered why the F juggernaut, who is powered by cytorrak, isn't a dr strange antagonist or in the orbit of dr. strange. i also didn't get why colossus, when he had the cytorrak power, didn't team up with dr. strange

>>152237868
i suppose it could get a buff where it can't be resisted temporarily, and bad guys are forced to do good for a limited amount of time. and to balance it out, ghost rider would only be able to do it like once a week or somthing. it'd be treat to get the truth out of people among many other things.

>>152236558
Revolutionary Cyclops is the worst thing to happen to his character.

>>152236558
I said it in the other thread but I'll say it here too since that other thread is falling down the list. Marvel seems to be completely comfortable just coasting off the Wednesday Warrior and the speculator who don't care about quality. They can just keep telling Disney 'oh yeah we're doing fine, we sold a million units last week' and Disney just goes 'oh okay that's fine' without Disney knowing they didn't actually -sell- that million they -distributed- that million. So the editors get to sit around browsing Grindr all day, the freelancers can shit out something between tweeting, and the artists can trace or use AI because the higher ups just don't care enough to clean house

>>152237283
finna reread krakoa x-force

>>152236558
Marvel magic sucks ass why do you want more of it

>>152237239
The karen was right

>>152236558
These are the Marvel comics I've enjoyed so far. I've skipped around a bit.
>Ditko Spider-Man
>Fantastic Four #51
>Steranko S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America
>Neal Adams X-Men
>Miller Daredevil and Elektra
>Moore Captain Britain
>Paul Smith UXM
>Claremont/Miller Wolverine
>Marshal Law (up to Kingdom of the Blind)
>Triumph & Torment
>Gerber Foolkiller
>Thanos Quest
>Dixon Punisher
>Ennis Punisher MAX
>Morrison Marvel Boy
>Fantastic Four: Unstable Molecules
>Fury MAX: My War Gone By

>>152236595
All of that sucks.

>>152238889
This too.

>>152237239
What's there to talk about? Oh that idea is good but too bad it'll never happen?

>>152237832
Penance Stare's always been nerfed by hackneyed writing huh?

>>152239387
>>152239484
Critslop bot spotted

>>152237868
See if I ever had the chance I would just do a comic were all those people who "resisted" it simply had a delayed reaction. So the whole book would be every self actualized cunt rolling around screaming in agony for 20 odd pages and then at the last page GR stops what he's doing and gets a stiffy.

Marvel books for the most part only serve to be ideas for future seasons in Marvel Rivals, which ironically have better written plots

>>152239960
Too bad they almost exclusively used comics made after 2012 for inspiration.

>>152240949
Can't wait for Professor X to show up wearing his dumb Krakoa helmet

>>152240949
The recency bias in a lot of things really bothers me. So many classic eras and stories ignored in favor of crap.

>>152241061
It's shown in statues I think.

>>152241119
Exactly. Like you have over 80 years of history with at least 60 of it actually being readable. But no they only use the last 26 & MAYBE one 90s skin reference.

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>>152238036
>can you elaborate or list some details?
TL;DR from what I remember (I read this shit decades ago and never ever wanted to reread it):
>Started with a new writer that pushed Strange into losing all his artifacts. Was supposed to be some big climactic sacrifice, but it amounted to him giving up all of earth’s tightly-woven protections to save a girl he had literally just met. He then proceeded to spend 16 issues angsting about it and losing an eye
(small tangent to say this part was easily the best-written of the bunch and ended alright, but I personally found it disgustingly out of character and the beginning of the end)
>New writer gets 4 issues in after the end of this uncharacteristic angst arc, then Roy Thomas takes over again.
For reference: he’s the guy who gave Strange that weird blue latex suit and face mask you sometimes see him with.
>Roy Thomas pretty much changed Strange’s entire personality, again, then proceeded to undo the Montesi Formula to give Strange a vampiric brother (and also an entire family he lost) and publish lots of crap stories that dragged like crazy.
>Also spent a lot of time on voodoo because his voodoo-wielding OC was the main threat for a while. This voodoo stuff is the beginning of the demystification: every comic ends with a lengthy explanation of how magic (mainly voodoo, but later other stuff) works.
All going off of Thomas’ own preconceptions, of course, and not anything established previously.
>New writer comes in, quality takes another huge nosedive. Strange loses his title for the second time, loses his house and has to split himself in two. Becomes “Strange” (edgy buff guy with no face that holds all his magic) and “Stevens” (partying ladies man with no magic).
[cont. this is long]

>>152239387
Wrong

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>>152238036
>>152241366
Oh, I forgot to mention:
>Between Roy Thomas and another guy, another new writer comes in. Places a big focus on that “girl he just met” I mentioned. Rintrah is killed off for no fucking reason, Strange kind of just ignores it, and almost every story written by this guy is recycled crap that isn’t worth reading.
Anyways, back to the other new writer (David Quinn):
>Books kind of devolve into a weird hunt for Dr. Strange that mostly consists of people yelling at Stevens and looking for Strange. Wong turns tailcoat for some reason I can’t remember, then both Stevens and Strange turn evil because Strange got angry or something. Cue an extremely prolonged (5+ issue) arc about Dr. Strange trumping them
>Pic rel happens immediately after. Doc’s personality ends up closer to Stevens’, basically nothing like he was in the 60s-80s
>Horrible abortion of character design is replaced with the Cloak of Levitation as an oversized coat for some reason, Wong’s love interest dies at some point and Strange also doesn’t do shit to help.
>Torrent of awful shit all at once. Strange becomes some weird businessman(?), finds out Baron Mordo has actually been his rival since he was a fucking grade schooler, then Mordo gets cancer(??) from too much magic(???) and then Strange finds out he has cancer(????) thanks to a random single mom
>Ongoing is cancelled four issues later, last issue’s cover is of a pregnant woman for whatever reason
I started tuning out around this point so my summaries are going to be a lot shorter from here on out
[continuing in another post]

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>>152238036
>>152241366
>>152241534
>Strange spends a little over a decade in cameo purgatory, bouncing between Marvel events and failed miniseries that all characterize him completely differently and hardly resemble what came before
>The Oath comes out and doesn’t suck ass, gives people hope for a brief moment
>then, Bendis.
>Bendis gets ahold of Strange for around seven years. Pulls him into the Civil War aftermath, has him shoot the Hulk into space with the Illuminati, causes Strange to lose his title again because something something Zom (this bastard has ruined a lot come to think of it). Voodoo gets the title for a bit, then gets disrespected to the extreme so Strange can have it again
>Pic related is included just to illustrate that, at this point, writers are playing broken telephone with magic to the point that they have forgotten how Astral Forms work (they don’t affect physical forms). See also, “my cape can’t work under these conditions.”
This is important because Brevoort apparently kept Strange in cameo purgatory for so long specifically to work out how magic works in-universe, or so I’ve heard. Anyways
>After years of Bendis, a brief stint on a new Defenders book (where the universe hinges on him banging a college student), and various other stories (most of which involve Strange selling his soul or getting de powered in some way), Strange ends up mostly in Hickman’s hands
>Hickman proceeds to have Strange murder countless worlds with the Black Priests and let DOCTOR DOOM become god emperor of mankind (and the universe) despite having enormous incentive and opportunity to stop him doing that
[final break, next post should end this autism]

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>>152238036
>>152241366
>>152241534
>>152241703
>ANAD decides the best direction for Strange is… depowered and wielding a normal axe
>Also for whatever reason he’s just Tony Stark now. Exists solely to be a ladies man quip machine with a giant ego. Even dyes his hair completely black so that he looks 20-something years younger… like Tony Stark.
>Jason Aarons writes Strange for years. Has magic “die,” then stop dying. Gives Strange a black girl librarian half his age who I think ends up having a crush on him? Also she has magical potential because why not.
>Worth noting that Jason Aarons also puts a lot of emphasis on “magic vs. tech” for the villains which is important because Hickman started putting emphasis on this half a decade earlier and continues putting a lot of emphasis on it afterwards. We are arguably still repeating this plotline.
>Strange is taken over by Donny Cates after Aaron has him lose his title to Loki. Cates keeps Strange depowered, then self-inserts himself and makes Strange a veterinarian for some reason. This gets him a dead talking dog that has yet to go away
>Most recent ongoing had Strange get stabbed by a knife and tried to redeem a war criminal and literal baby-eater by giving him DnD as therapy
>Also every single character Strange interacts with shits on him nonstop for character traits he never had until the 90s

SUPER TL;DR FOR STRANGE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THIS GOT AWAY FROM ME LIKE HELL:
>Dr. Strange has been stuck repeating the same plot lines for over 20 years now, just with increasing vitriol towards him from his writers and supporting cast, and is mostly unrecognizable but keeps being shat on for his own character assassination

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Everyone else seems simpler (mostly because I’m not as familiar with them):
>Ghost Rider fell victim to a never-ending train of terrible writers, ended up replaced by a young diverse counterpart and jobbed incredibly hard for a long time. Nowadays he’s been reduced to a state of being with an infamous stare and three “main” Ghost Riders who have all been horribly screwed in some very impressive ways.
>Werewolf By Night mostly disappeared outside of many very very bad miniseries that screwed up his character, I can’t recall consistently seeing him in a single book past the 80s that was decent. From what I’ve heard he mostly exists as a trivia fact for new fans nowadays, and the writers treat him accordingly
>Man-Thing suffered a similar fate(?) but on a smaller scale
>Midnight Sons got replaced with the Midnight Suns for a bit as synergy with that failed card-battler. They got one mini-series that turned Agatha into a young hot woman, then they got axed
>Blood Hunt and vampires in general have been horribly written for ages and mostly used as an excuse to give old characters some new gimmick (see: Jubilee)
>Magic as a concept has been repeatedly raped by disconnecting it from personal enlightenment and willpower (huge overarching theme from Ditko to Stern), Harry Potterifying it into a system of pure bargaining that anyone can learn if they just read some books or get lucky, leading to a huge emphasis on “magical community” and tumblr witch coven shit that places more emphasis on tarot cards and tea leaves than wizard spells and fighting gods
>and also literally Harry Potterifying it by making a Hogwarts knockoff (Strange Academy) for adaptation fodder

Sorry that got so fucking long. Apparently I’ve had this pent up for a while. I hope it was at least interesting to read.

>>152241910
I also found a very old archived thread that explains Dr. Strange's 90s ongoing in more detail:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/60125116/#60126496

And some other archived threads elaborating on this kind of stuff more eloquently/with a similar topic to yours:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/119209175/#119212684

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/98772055/#98772055

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/94320677/#94320677 (this one is just an anon suggesting his own ideas but it's a good snapshot of modern Strange's issues)

All this is to say that I understand your Beast-related pain, and I am genuinely sorry for you. Also fuck Marvel for screwing up both our favorites so badly.

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The travesty of the marvel cosmic line.
>Setup event to start the new cosmic line and the Galactic council
>Event already hampered by the fucking NINE MONTH Doom event happening at the same time
>event so poorly coordinator that there are continuity errors it, the BP tie in and the Wiccan book
>little advertisement and the solicitations are literally just one word each
>Hickman event has five spin off and none of them are written by Hickman
>none of them are about the galactic Union either despite the union being the tagline for the whole /thing
>The big twist of the event was the return of the Inhuman and they decided to not give them a single book
>The book aren't bad but as typical with cosmic books aren't advertise well, Nova didn't even have a second interview until a Nova fan website reached out to Mackay
>The one book that directly deals with the fallout of the event doesn't come out until FIVE MONTHS after the event ended
>AOR and the Doom event had follow ups that started the very next month
>Imperial Guardians, announced as ongoing and just now changed to a mini
Let me just say right now there is no way the decided that with less than a month of pre-orders. Pre-orders don't get cut off until like two weeks before release. They aren't even trying to give this a chance. Worse still sounds like Nova and She-hulk are going out in six chapters and Exiles is outright cancelled. Seemingly they pulled the plug because the initial books didn't do well enough so they aren't even going to try with the rest.

>>152241366
>>152241534
>>152241703
>>152241812
holy hell imagine something being bad BEFORE bendis gets a hold of it

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>>152241910
>ghost rider
from what little i saw of ghost rider 2099 i liked

>man-thing
i read those two omnibuses years ago. strange tales from 1998 i think had silver surfer in it. they haven't really used man-thing as a steward of the nexus of realities which i think is a shame. man-thing used to have ambiance but it's completely gone

>vampire gimmick
yeah they don't even commit to the gimmick

>harry potterfying
that's fucking everywhere and it's pathetic

>>152242155
nice list

>our fav characters
yeah they were both in endangered species when beast was asking literally anyone and everyone for help. dr. strange couldn't help him and the watcher told him to shush which makes the watcher a massive fucking hypocrite for being disgusted at anyone who would ask him for help

marvel is fucking all KINDS of shit up. imagine all the money that was made from the movies and good writers can't be hired. bad business, sheer arrogance and malfeasance

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>>152242633
holy shit. yeah someone was storytiming black panther galactic and a she-hulk issue in another thread. i didn't even know it existed and it's completely underwhelming

>long live the union
the union of fucking what? what the fuck are they even thinking?

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>>152236558
can anyone give us a qrd on the shitty state of spider-man at this point? or are they just shitting on peter parker but giving miles morales the black stereotype electrical powers?

>>152243397
He's in space making out with alien babes. It's not super terrific really but it's in a state of....alright?

>>152243434
>spider-man in outer space
nah, that sounds like an ass-pull no one asked for

>>152243434
He's in space again?

>>152243492
It was pretty out of left field, yes

>>152243545
I mean he only JUST got back an issue or two ago so it's a bit early to say what's happen next

>>152243545
nta anon

dunno, but venom being in space didn't help the venom title either probably because some medieval knight doesn't have shit to do with amorphous symbiotes but marvel sucks so whatever

>>152241812
That is absurd levels of fucked if accurate. I never read it, but I think Mark Waid wrote Dr. Strange. Was there anything unique bad in his iteration compared to others?

>>152243562
Well yeah the space knight shit didn't work because it was Bendis being retarded & the solo comic had this shitty art full of stolen model assets.

>>152241366
>Roy Thomas takes over again.
>For reference: he’s the guy who gave Strange that weird blue latex suit and face mask you sometimes see him
Can't believe its the same Roy Thomas that gave us one of the better Avengers run.

>>152237283
All I'm getting from this is that X-Men is a shit book.

>>152243397
Peter got slapped by not-Morlun and stranded in space being an insufferable redditor playing lower quality than usual Guardians of the Galaxy on a training arc. Ben moved in to play Peter, had an epiphany about the stupidity of his status quo and is seemingly done with the identity theft crap, leaving before Peter returns. Norman is playing Spider-Man because he's nuts, now stuck with the poochies trying to claim dibs on the "franchise". An irrelevant childhood friend/co-worker this run introduced and is desperately trying to sell got into a lab accident by being an impulsive jealous dumbass which may have been partially caused by Ben sabotaging his own work on the way out, reeks of supervillain origin. May got several death flags. MJ suicided by stockholm syndrome slots powers and had to sorta bond but not really with the also dying symbiote for mutual survival, broke up with her kidnapper.

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>>152236558
Nobody fucking likes Miles. NOBODY likes Miles, I'm pretty sure even actual black people don't like Miles, they just treat him like a notch on their representation belt. Miles sucks, he has no good stories, he has no good villains, everything even half-decent about him is stolen from Peter, and you can tell that the Jews and the women at Marvel would love nothing more than to replace Peter with him specifically because they hate white males.

Miles is as bad of a character as Terry Long in his own way.

While we're at it, can we talk about how fucking weird it is that Bendis is always making these fucking black children original characters? It's creepy, I don't like it. It also reminds me that Bendis is Jewish.

>>152236558
I've never read a Marvel comic that didn't feel like a slog.

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>>152241812
>Dr. Strange has been stuck repeating the same plot lines for over 20 years now
No offense but extend that to 30 or 40 years and that's every Marvel character. I read all that because I always had an interest in some of these magic Marvel characters but I've never actually liked their comics, Ghost Rider could be cool but when I read it it's just standard capeshit, Blade could be good if they just swallowed their pride and admit people want Wesley Snipes style Blade and put actual good talent on him, not the most generic house style artist, but someone that can do cool looking action scenes, instead they've been trying to replace him with his daughter for almost 20 years. Dr. Strange is someone that I had an interest in but I just couldn't get through the first run, it was some of the most boring crap imaginable and I figured if I skipped ahead to the more acclaimed runs I wold miss out on stuff. I also read The Oath and Season One and didn't care for them so maybe I just don't like the character.
I will ask in hopes of an answer but where should I start with the Silver Surfer? I tried out Epic vol 1 but couldn't get far into it, like 8 issues and it's fucking awful.

>>152236558
I always had the opinion that Marvel should make offices for the magic and cosmic sides of the worldbuilding

>>152237283
>character is mismanaged in bad stories
Say it aint so!

>>152243397
Here's a brief summary of everything since Spencer's run ended and the misery train began
>Filler storyline where Ben Reilly takes over as Spider-Man while Peter's in a coma
>Ends with Ben going crazy (again) and becoming a villain (again)
>Flash forward six months and now Peter and MJ have broken up, MJ has a family with kids, and the Avengers and FF hate Spider-Man
>Peter goes to work for Norman Osborn (who's a good guy now don't ask)
>He gets beat up a lot in his stories for a bit
>Issue #900 is him having a shitty birthday where none of his friends like him, but he does start up another fling with Black Cat
>Said fling ends after a bit for stupid reasons
>Evil Ben Reilly comes back to try and steal Peter's soul and rehash Inferno
>We find out what happened between Peter and MJ, she got trapped in another dimension for four years which was only two days for Peter
>While she was there she met a guy and they found kids and decided to look after them
>But the kids were actually fake
>Peter goes through two separate arcs where he goes crazy and becomes a Spider-Goblin guy
>He gets a rehash of the Gang War story from the 80s but worse, and also Miles shits on him for being irresponsible
>Filler Dr Strange storyline where he dies eight times
>Gets a new job at some new research place
>Starts an open relationship with Black Cat
>Some new OC beats his ass and kicks him into space where he stays because he's scared of going back to Earth until he "gets stronger"
>Ben Reilly decides to larp as Peter while he's gone
>Norman Osborn decides to larp as Spider-Man
>Peter is doing discount Guardians of the Galaxy things every other issue
>Oh and somewhere along the line MJ became the new host of Venom and dumped her new boyfriend
>On the horizon is yet another rehashed storyline, this time it's Spider-Carnage

>>152244728
Man, wtf is going on?

>>152244763
the writer was going through a bad divorce

>>152244654
The magic side is boring and the cosmic side is more niche.

>>152237163
Way back when we had it I checked and at least then there were at best maybe a dozen unique IPS and very obviously one dude spamming and this was before the hack and shutdown

>>152243572
Looking it up after i wrote it, it’s accurate but actually missing a whole lot more fucked up shit I just didn’t bother reading. Some of which was Waid’s doing. Apparently Strange became a herald of Galactus at some point, partly because he lost all his magic AGAIN and went to space to go find some more, becoming “sorcerer supreme of the galaxy” (downgrade from regular sorcerer supreme, which deals with an entire dimension). This was in 2018.

At some point, Wong also became a part of some magical S.H.I.E.L.D division run by an ambiguously-colored girlboss. Also he knows magic now, presumably because his MCU counterpart knows magic? I don’t know. I can’t remember if that bit is from Waid, but I do know it showed up in the same ongoing as the baby-eating war criminal and overshadowed Strange’s own deeds for a few issues.

>>152244412
I personally can’t believe it’s the same Roy Thomas that gave us Eternity, Eternity! I honestly think it’s his best story, even if it was a bit unconventional. I don’t know what happened between then and the 90s for his writing to get so much worse.

>>152236595
How about going to do that rather than policing what people should post on the internet?

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>>152244635
No offense taken, I halfway agree with you. The Ditko run isn’t for everyone, and I personally hate Season One (it’s just an irritating prelude to Aaron’s quip machine, I do not understand the acclaim at all), but Strange has some really really high points if you’re into classical wizardry. Into Shamballa and Triumph and Torment are both absolutely beautiful (both Marvel Graphic Novels, in case search gives you issues finding them like it did me), while I personally love almost the entirety of his second ongoing (Doctor Strange: Master of the Mystic Arts) with scant exceptions. A lot of his Defenders appearances are also great, but all the 2000s Defenders stuff mostly works for existing fans of the team and anything from the 2010s onwards is a totally different beast thanks to Netflix. Just stick to the original 70s runs (up to about #120ish) by Gerber, Englehart, and Kraft.

Silver Surfer shows up in a few Defenders issues near the start, but sparsely. He’s kind of too OP to be a regular member, but I do appreciate whenever he shows up. I haven’t looked into his solos yet— though I really want to, he’s intriguing— but I do have this very crusty image from 2012 that recommends some stuff. I can confirm that Requiem is rather nice, though it seems to act more as a respectful send-off to the character than a decent standalone story.

Outside of his third ongoing (which seems to be the most well-liked?), it seems like earlier Fantastic Four might be your best bet. He’s also prominently featured in those 2000s Defenders minis I mentioned, but I really should stress that they’re for fans of the team moreso than fans of the characters. One is an explicit love letter to Gerber, another is a borderline parody where everyone and everything is sort of cynically comedic. (Silver Surfer is also dunked on for that second entire run and mostly acts as a cameo.)

I wish you luck in finding some cool Silver Surfer stories!

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>>152244635
>I tried out Epic vol 1 but couldn't get far into it, like 8 issues and it's fucking awful.
Isn't Epic 1 just a collection of his Fantastic Four an other appearances. Personally I liked his first ongoing but it got cancelled early. Try the second ongoing. Especially once Engleheart and Starlin get involved.

>>152244516
Bendis also made Luke Cage & Jessica Jones a thing. Bendis has a black fetish.

>>152246289
>Just stick to the original 70s runs
What's a good place to jump on to start is the point.
I didn't care much for Requiem, I was more interested on which Epic volume to pirate because that first volume was ass.
>>152246675
I don't think so? Maybe I pirated a Masterworks? I really really didn't luke it though.

>>152247035
If you’re asking specifically about Defenders, just do Defenders (1972) #1. You miss out on nothing, and the book is consistently good for upwards of 50 issues before anything questionable starts happening. (Even then, just skipping Hannigan’s run and continuing from there is a decent idea.) SS is most prominent in very early Defenders; he starts getting phased out before the book hits double digits, and he’s mostly gone (save for brief appearances, like in #98-101) by issue #20.

For Silver Surfer standalone: maybe best to start with those Fantastic Four issues if you want to see Silver Surfer’s first appearance and most iconic story. I can’t comment on Epic, as I haven’t read it, but if you didn’t like Requiem I’m not entirely sure you’ll like anything else SS has to offer. The guy seems to mostly revolve around cool space shots and occasional ponderings on the vastness of it all, so if that isn’t up your alley then SS in general might not be either. (Take with a grain of salt, since I’m no expert, but that’s what I know of him.)

>>152247084
>If you’re asking specifically about Defenders
No, I found that I really don't like team books in general. I'm asking where is a good place to skip ahead if I don't like those early comics. I'm interesting in what he's about but those early comics were not about that, he was stuck in earth doing boring crap while his home planet was so uninteresting it's almost funny. Requiem just wasn't very well written.

>>152246675
IIRC Vol 1 of the Epic collection was the stuff that came before the Lee/Buscema series, so it collects various appearances from Lee/Kirby F4 and the Tales to Astonish appearances

Vol 3 and 4 of the Epic Collection is the one with Englehart's run and other 80s era Silver Surfer stories

Vol 5 is the one with the end of Englehart's run and the start of Starlin's

>>152247035
>I didn't care much for Requiem
>>152247105
>I found that I really don't like team books in general
Are you me?

I just want more cool Gambit stories if I'm honest, he works better as a solo guy than the mainline group stories, and I wish they'd do more that front and have him occasionally cameo elsewhere as needed

>>152247283
I feel the same way about Nightcrawler where I only really wanna read about this character specifically but they're almost always stuck in team books.

>>152244516
Its really telling how ATSV made Miguel, the superior latino successor, a villain for Miles to overcome. Then even nerfed him power wise.

>>152247697
The whole point of either film is to show horn into your head how much you should like Miles without given you any reason to like miles. 2 is the more overt one with the way it assassinates the others but one's retarded ANYONE CAN BE THE HERO is just as retarded

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>>152243935
bendis
>>152244493
>peter in space

holy fucking damn it is garbage

>>152244516
>bendis
was he the one that decided to give him electrical powers with a sword or some shit, or was that some OTHER dipshit writer?

>>152248806
pretty sure that was cody ziglar
does nothing but watch shounen battle anime hype videos so that's how he writes Miles. hype moments and random power ups

>>152246289
there's also Silver Surfer: In Thy Name

can't remember if Silver Surfer was in the Beta Ray Bill comics Godhunter, and Stormbreaker

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>>152244728
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>>152236558
>how the fuck is marvel just sitting on occult characters in a video game title
If you’re talking about Mystic Mayhem that game is shutting down in April because they mismanaged it that hard nobody played it. It’s a shame too as it was a decently fun mobile game past the gacha shit and it’s the only time they’ve bothered to do anything with the mystic shit in recent memory.

>>152248922
They actually did try to make another mystical video game (Midnight Suns), it just failed even harder. And was also split halfway between mystics and Avengers due to marketing, so whether it counts is questionable.

>>152247196
Could be.

>>152248947
From what I’ve heard Midnight Suns is alright, but I think the biggest problem with Mystic Mayhem character wise was that they had too many non-mystic characters, even someone like Ghost Rider would have fit better than the whole avengers and F4 being there

>>152247697
They also made Miguel brown

>>152244763
Spider-man editorial use Peter as a punching bag for their own miserable lives.

>>152248906
Unironically the world would be a better place if Bendis died.

>>152249732
Ultimate Spider-Man and the subsequent dickriding of Bendis are one of the worst things to ever happen to Marvel comics, and I pray for the day he disappears for good.

>>152249845
Crazy how the only reason that series was praised is because everyone else is a selfish asshole in the ultimate universe. Even Bendis' Fantastic Four were assholes. Then Bendis made everyone assholes in the mainline. Bendis is the root cause of Marvel decline.

>>152249066
Ironically, Midnight Suns had the same problem
Marvel seems simultaneously very eager to push their magic side and also completely unwilling to ignore everything else. They gave Cosmic Marvel a whole game that’s 80% cosmic characters (I know there are some oddities but they’re not as bad as Mystic Mayhem/Midnight Suns) and pushed it decently. No idea why they refuse to do this with magic.

>>152249920
And when it isn’t Bendis, it’s one of his friends who was nepo’d in as a result of his dickriding. He’s effectively orchestrated the death of the modern comic book.
>>152250187
I assume it’s because they think people don’t give a shit about the magic characters enough to sell a product, but the answer to that is to make people give a shit. If they have to use a character like Iron Man in a magic-themed game make him a variant with occult-powered armor or something and have the non-magic characters make up a fifth of the roster rather than over half.

>>152250288
And it's hard to say who isn't friends with Bendis. All the left leaning writers dominant the industry & share the same chip on their shoulders attitude about forcing progressiveness.

>>152250331
Despite the fact they dominate the industry, the most popular comics every month are usually Absolute Batman, Wonder Woman and the concurrent Spider-Man comics which are all almost entirely divorced from any political messaging, so hopefully that sends the message that people don’t want to read these people’s shit comics any longer.

On a separate note, appeasing the ‘Magneto was right’ dumbfucks was arguably the worst decision Marvel has made in years and while I don’t think he’s involved I’ll blame Bendis as he had some influence on account of being the Antichrist.

>>152251201
>Absolute Batman
>nu Ultimate comics
>devoid of political messaging
Both had Batman & the Ultimates brutalize alt-right strawmen. Their politics are clear.

>>152251231
Ultimates is written by a commie jeet so that shouldn’t be a surprise, I mentioned Ultimate Spider-Man as that’s pretty much entirely devoid of politics, it’s family man Peter versus Kingpin and other crime bosses.

With Absolute Batman, I’d argue that it was all relegated to a special prequel issue written by a guest writer who also drew the Batman killing ICE art, the actual main comic doesn’t have any of that but it still begs the question of why DC would let someone with obvious political brainrot anywhere near their big moneymaker especially so soon after they fired the sex pest Red Hood writer.

>>152252041
Because they condone anything against their political enemies until it can actually get them in legal trouble.

>>152250288
>I assume it’s because they think people don’t give a shit about the magic characters enough to sell a product, but the answer to that is to make people give a shit.
I’m so glad my favorite character is stuck in this hellish ouroboros. Fuck Marvel, man.

>>152236558
why did they bring back the Swimsuit specials only to shit on them

>>152248922
i was talking about midnight suns. blew my mind that they didn't have actual midnight sons and occult characters as main characters. instead they threw in iron man, hulk and wolverine for no fucking reason. i can't think of any occult villains those characters have, but i could be wrong. and even if i'm right, are the occult villains of non occult heroes even in the game? make it make sense

>>152252041
>but it still begs the question of why DC would let someone with obvious political brainrot anywhere near their big moneymaker especially so soon after they fired the sex pest Red Hood writer.

If you have to ask that you didn't pay close attention

1. DWJ's Transformers sold really, really well. Retailers were talking up the Energon Universe and that was the most popular book of the bunch
2. People blindly praising or sperging out over DWJ's Batman Annual miss that the point of the story is that even as Batman does this in his early days he realizes it doesn't solve all his problems.
3. The second printing of that Absolute Batman Annual got released this week and going by the Bleeding Cool Bestseller list it outperformed every Marvel title. Remember, this is a second printing.
5. The Red Hood writer Gretchen Felker-Martin was already pissing off the Jason Todd fanbase and I forget why. Felker-Martin also previously wrote a few things for DC in 2023 and 2024 and they weren't massively popular the way DWJ's Transformers was.
6. Before the controversy the Red Hood book was probably just going to sell modestly at best.
7. Felker-Martin was shitting on a specific person who had just been killed, DWJ was just shitting on ICE in the general way. Whether you think Charlie Kirk deserved it or not is immaterial, at the time people were inflamed and WB likely did not want the heat

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>>152249920
>everyone in that series is a selfish asshole
>beast dies in a flood

*sigh* they couldn't even make beast an asshole in an alternate universe, even with an evil version of himself from YET ANOTHER ALTERNATE UNIVERSE

>>152255263
Did you want them to make him an asshole?

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>>152255250
>2. People blindly praising or sperging out over DWJ's Batman Annual miss that the point of the story is that even as Batman does this in his early days he realizes it doesn't solve all his problems.
Changes nothing. DJW wears his politics on his sleeve openly.

>>152255291
Yes, and?

>>152255305
The issue persists that it's an openly blatant left wing propaganda comic calling for violence against right wing strawmen.

>>152255330
Doesn't seem like the rest of the audience sees it that way.

>>152255360
The audience is retarded then. Which is why they're buying Absolute Batman.

>>152255386
Your brain has been so affected by politrot that I'm convinced you buy multiple copies of Absolute Batman just to bitch about them

>>152244516
>Miles is called Spin in a solicit to synergize with a show made for toddlers
>Norman-Man beats him up
>There is a series on the horizon about Miles being an amateur and needing to be trained by Norman, along with the other spider-Tagalongs
>Gwen is in 616 and has a black boyfriend, and it isn’t him
Kind of funny

>>152247378
I feel for you, Nightcrawler fan, at least my boy Gambit has had a lot of good solo runs, Kurt can barely get solo titles

>>152256759
Me with Colossus

>>152236558
good marvel comcis threads or interesting:
>>152232204
>>152240319
>>152242382
you could give it a try.

>>152255281
if it was contained in the ultimate universe, i'd be fine with that. i don't give a shit about the ultimate universe

>>152255330
>right wing strawmen

hmm.... these strawmen... are they in minneapolis?

>>152256903
if marvel thought it's future was dependent on its past, things would be very different, anon

>>152255250
I knew DWJ worked on Transformers and was decently liked, I just wasn’t entirely sure on how much so I omitted that as I don’t read or particularly care for Transformers. I think the thing is that even though the comic is saying that the violence presented is wrong, DWJ himself obviously condones it via his art that he makes, so even if he’s making that point in the comic he’s a hypocrite.
With Red Hood though you’re 100% correct, there was a lot of discourse about the book likely being shit even before the fallout, my point was more just that it felt like a risky move to have someone also promoting political violence after Felker-Martin got fired, if it sold well then it means that move paid off.

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>>152241812
I don't have a lot to add to this rant cause I'm not exactly a Strange fan, but semi-recently I've read G.O.D.S. and, despite not caring about Strange too much, one of the things that pissed me off the most was Strange's character assassination in the book. Shit like picrel, where not onlyy Strange, but his immediate secondary characters are butchered at the same time on the same page, or him acting like a pretentious cunt when he and other magic faggots were tackling the source of a currently ongoing catastrophe and called himself and them "adults" comparing to other characters and heroes who he literally calls "kids" because they were busy fighting the more immediate symptoms of the same catastrophe at the same time.
Once again, I'm not even a Strange fan, and this shit still gave me a mother of all whiplashes.

>>152236558
Bendis shined a light on a decade of Beast hypocrisy. The only moral genocide is my genocide. He had been getting a free pass for ages and finally got called out on it. He desered it all.

>>152239387
Not enough fags for you?

>>152237753
>with a team, not acting unilaterally?
No, no, he acted unilaterally. It wasn't the MPD schizo or the two WWII relics that decided to turn the fusion-powered supercar into a nuclear bomb. That was Beast.
Now, remember, he did it to save a city (cleveland, cincinatti, something like that), but he still did it.

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>>152244728
Also during this, MJ gets Ms. Marvel killed and feels no guilt about it. Peter blames himself for no reason. Then she comes back to life as a mutant and her story goes for the worse

>>152257061
To get an idea of how insane the demand was for his Transformers, the first issue went into 12 printings The 12th print was out sometime last year. I can't remember the last time a comic had that many printings. Star Wars #1 from 2015 went into 7 printings, Hickman and Checchetto's USM #1 and Johns/Lee New 52 Justice League #1 went into 8 printings. Even Snyder and Dragotta's Absolute Batman #1 is currently into 10th printing.

It was a risky move but one I think they were willing to take because they knew DWJ could sell books--even before Transformers he did the Jurassic League comic that had some people interested and now they're developing an animated movie or something based on it.

The other thing is that from reading that TCJ interview with Felkner-Martin and that recent uproar on twitter, it may well be that behind the scenes, DC found Felkner-Martin hard to work with and might've looked for any excuse to get out of the contract.

>>152257338
Yeah, all of that makes sense, as I said the risk clearly paid off for them. With Felkner-Martin, DC definitely wanted an out anyway as there was both a ton of mockery regarding the writing in the preview and Martin’s obsession with rape was also getting pointed out by people with sizeable followings on YouTube/Tiktok.

>>152257224
There's so much shittiness going on with MJ during that run it's no wonder everyone just sees it as Wells seething and projecting about his divorce

>>152257070
fucking hell that book was so bad
I read the entire thing because I hated myself and I have never hated Hickman more
My only solace is that most people seem to be thoroughly ignoring his retarded retcons involving permanently-pregnant brown women and regarded science v magic shit
And yeah Strange is treated awfully in that book
not a surprise because Strange has been perpetually mistreated for decades and it’s clear that Hickman barely even wanted him there (but needed to include him, probably out of some kind of marketing mandate)
still sucks though

>>152244412
The same Roy Thomas that gave us the best Marvel Conan runs.

>>152243343
>from what little i saw of ghost rider 2099 i liked
2099 and the first few years of Danny Ketch are good. It's sometime after the midnight sons are formed that things get unwieldly.

>>152237972
>The moment they started trying to demystify everything with “everything has a price” and all that stupid “nexus being” shit Wanda got wrapped up in
The Nexus Being stuff is from the early 90s, and it's a separate thing from magic, most of the other known Nexus Beings aren't magic characters. Sounds like you're thinking more about the 2015 Scarlet Witch series, which focused hard on "magic has a cost", IIRC it was part of the "magic has been broken" angle of the series which was fixed by the end.

>>152238089
It's the worst thing in-story AND in real life, since it's the thing that finally got him really popular. So now you have a character where what people want is the awful broken version that's basically a villain, and is everything he used to fight against, but the narrative treats him like the protagonist.

>>152241703
>>Bendis gets ahold of Strange for around seven years. Pulls him into the Civil War aftermath, has him shoot the Hulk into space with the Illuminati, causes Strange to lose his title again because something something Zom (this bastard has ruined a lot come to think of it). Voodoo gets the title for a bit, then gets disrespected to the extreme so Strange can have it again
The Zom part wasn't Bendis, it was World War Hulk and the fallout from that event. Bendis handled the 'Search for the New Sorcerer Supreme' story in New Avengers, a lot of popular or important characters were teased as choices, but we got Brother Voodoo pulled out of D-list limbo instead because of Bendis' fetishes. Voodoo got an 'ongoing' book out of it but it was cancelled in 5 issues because nobody cared about him, even Bendis realized the whole thing was a disaster, quickly killed him off and finally made Strange the Sorcerer Supreme again near the end of his run.

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I'm not sure if I have ever seen a character so consistently get the opposite of what their fanbase wants. Damn near since the beginning.
>Small time hero? Lets put her on the Avengers
>likeable and cute? Lets make her into a preachy bitch in champions
>People want her to hook up with Bruno? Fuck that guy lets break them up several times and largely erase bruno
>people think she is being pushed too hard? Fuck em push her even harder
>Her show MCU show is the least watched Disney+ show and the movie bombed, every comic reader hates the new powers? Well clearly we should push it into the comics anyway
>Kamalafags are worried being a mutant will overshadow her religious background, and push out her supporting cast? Of course it will don't forget to move her out of Jersey too.
>give her a bunch of shitty X-men costumes that all have to be gotten rid of right after being introduced
>X-fags hate how hard she is being pushed in their books? fuck them too, in fact pseudo retcon multiple major x-events so that she technically there the whole time
>we don't want to prove people right about her getting lost in the X-shuffle so she gets constant books
>oh no she has been become sales poison lets leave her out of all mention in Inglorious X-men , no covers or variants just keep her from tanking the book
>Also lets make the team full of edgy murderers that she will disagree with because we all know readers love when Young heroes talk down to older heroes

>>152258074
Right, I just got the two confused. Different flavors of dogshit blend together in my mind, I guess. Thank you for the correction.
And yeah, that cancelled ongoing after being stuck in D-Lister Hell was what I meant by “disrespected to the extreme.” I distinctly remember a page or two shitting on the mere concept of Voodoo becoming Sorcerer Supreme; can’t remember if that was timely or not, but I do remember it being somewhere in the modern sludge I’ve tried to avoid reading. Voodoo honestly deserved better.

>>152256903
>All pre-2000.
Sensing a pattern here.

>>152258307
I don't think any other character save for Miles has been forced this hard despite constant failure. At least to Miles' credit, the movies did well financially enough to justify pushing him more in the corporate mind.

>>152256903
I'd rather complain and let good threads die.

>>152259745
It's truly odd. You'd think the MCU failure would do her in like it has the Eternals, antman, and even Carol to some degree, but it hasn't. They are so desperate to push her that they walked back her X-men costumes, put off using her mutant powers for years and even after activating them she stopped using them. Almost feels like the office is under threat of being fired if they don't keep her going. Hell Brevoort even said this a few weeks ago
>We tried a bunch of books, and some of them succeeded, worked, and continue on, and some of them ran their natural course and ended.

>If we went, OK, we’re going to build this NYX book, and Kamala Khan is going to be a big part of that, and that book runs its course, we don’t immediately go, “Oh, we absolutely have to get Ms. Marvel into some other book right now — quick, shoehorn her into Gail’s title.” You end up having to take a breath.
Except that is almost exactly what they did. NYX bombed, they ran right into Giant-size which bombed, into Expat which bombed, and now Iglorious which they hid Kamala's involvement it.

>>152260474
They REALLY want the muslim audience I guess? Or at least the progressive audience that will pat themselves on the back for reading her? But neither audience actually exists. At least not enough to justify continuing to push her. It really makes no sense.

>>152258307
It's fucking astounding how many times they dropped the ball with her. What a lot of people don't realize is that Marvel didn't expect her first series to sell as well as it did. They were expecting like maybe 20,000 orders or less but it eventually went to 50,000 in the debut month after retailers had to reorder (and before the second print numbers got taken into account). Her book was actually bringing in some new readers without needing a movie or TV show to back it up.

The first fuck-up Marvel did was actually deciding to relaunch everything with ANAD. Brian Hibbs talked about how this turned off a lot of new readers from continuing on with the book, and I've heard from a few other retailers that this was the case for them as well. So Marvel had this new audience coming in and then they dropped the ball because they forgot the new audience wouldn't tolerate constant relaunches like the old audience they cultivated

And then after that everything else you mentioned happened but I'll also add
>Civil War 2 also affects her book in a negative way
though I think you covered some of the effects, it should also be noted that the first tie-in spiked up then subsequent tie-ins went down below the numbers of the pre-CW2 issue.
>She gets made the main character of a bad Avengers game in 2020 which also hurt her rep
>The death/resurrection storyline was so bad that long-time comic fans in general shrugged and ho-hummed it because they knew she was getting resurrected as a mutant while what remained of her fanbase got pissed

>>152260502
More like not piss off the Muslim audience.

>>152258307
I could fix her. She genuinely need to be bumped up to college already. If her original point was to get teens/kids into comics circa 2014, they're all in college or older by now.

Let her be a young woman, in a relationship, as a proud independent woman. Basically just so what made 80s Spider-Man/MJ fun, interesting, and relatable

>>152255250
>DWJ's Transformers sold really, really well.
yeah but someone must have really holding his leash their because it didn't really have his usual political brainrot

>>152260989
It is Transformers. Any politics are filtered through giant alien robots.

>>152260162
bitching about marvel should be normalized. there's so much they're fucking up. noticed how no one even has to talk about star wars? high republic got no traction. marvel won't even commit to good writing for star wars either

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>>152257184
>genocide
anon, the writers were totally fine with apocalypse on the council, and the writers were fucking fine with CASSANDRA NOVA being on krakoa. the bitch that killed 16 million mutants was allowed by other mutants to step foot on krakoa.

writers don't give a shit about genocide, they hate beast. kill yourself

>>152257206
did he keep it a secret? if everyone else knew about it and did nothing, guess what! they were complicit! which event was the one where captain america tells beast he couldn't have done it himself but basically is fine with it because he doesn't arrest beast?

>>152258307
you forgot

>ermagerd we can totally ignore all the evidence of our bad decisions about this character and make people like her if she just crushes on rightclops

>>152262020
>>152257206
Wait this story is the one by Warren Ellis, right?

I remember David Brothers being critical of how Ellis wrote Cap as being okay with torture, and Brothers said that he received an angry email from Ellis over it

What I'm more surprised about is that Brevoort was the one who edited this run

>>152262121
you meant to say it was unsurprising, right?

>>152260745
No that doesn't make any sense. Everything about Kamala should piss off muslims but they obviously don't pay attention to niche comics. It's not like a newspaper strip that's in the public a lot easier. They're not threatening Marvel to keep Kamala around.

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>>152262058
You extend that to multiple X-characters. They done those moments in every book to force the relationships. Scott is the only one that sorta legit because of champions. They have character she is literally just met acting like she has known them for years.

>>152260474
With Ant-Man, I think the biggest issue from the start was that they were too afraid to have Hank Pym be a prevalent character. I might be biased as he’s my favorite marvel character but I feel like they could have at least revitalised interest in him had they adapted his storyline rather than noping out and using Scott Lang.

>>152262483
But anon, don't you prefer having Hank Pym designated as an Ultron fused villain instead?

>>152262592
That’s my second favorite thing they’ve done with him, my favorite is when they used that sweet MCU synergy to make him a mopey old fuck that does nothing and gets no stories.

>>152262165
Unsurprising in the sense that you'd think he'd object to it, at that point in time (this was 2011) it's only a few years after Disney just bought Marvel out

But i guess the OMD way of thinking was now too ingrained in him at this point, where he probably believed he could order any character reset to whenever he read comics and fuckups from Ellis didn't matter

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>>152262460
I think my favorite one is making her a "big fan" of Sophie Cuckoo. For those who don't sophie died in like fifth appearance and stayed dead until Krakoa. This bitch was dead in 2003. She was gone for 16 years could only have been alive for a few months or however long Krakoa lasted. They don't even try to make sense. Sadly fellating X-characters is the only thing X-fags will praise Kamala more so I expect more.

>>152262829
Krakoa bringing back so many literally who characters is arguably one of the worst things to come out of it(which is saying a lot), they were killed off for a reason.

>>152262888
Maybe, but it would be funny if some writer 20 years from now has Bloodhawk appear and claim he was revived during Krakoa despite not appearing there.

>>152262829
Maybe I’m just mindbroken from how often this page is reposted but “big fan” kind of seems like an innuendo here for finding Sophie hot

>>152262829
Funniest shit if is someone like Bloodhawk came back and went unnoted through all of Krakoa and then Kamala dumps the entire life story of someone who she never met and died at their end of their story.

>>152237154
>Let's hate on marvel!
>Okay now that I got your attention, let's discuss my fetish which has nothing to do with the opening statement.
>What do you mean this doesn't make sense? I'm gonna retort in the dumbest English possible so that you see I'm retarded.
OP clearly has too much free time.

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>>152236558
>-the recent vampire event was probably forgettable and uninspired. did anyone even read it?
lol no considering this came out a week ago

>>152263521
Bah. I'm sure at least 30% of people living in NYC think Spider-Man isn't real.

>>152262483
The thing with Ant-Man is that Marvel is apathetic to the charcters in general, and the one person that went out of his way to pitch a movie to Marvel and was able to caught their attention, was a fan of the second one.