john k is better than any other cartoonist and it's not even close
anyone who hates john k's cartoons is a fake cartoon fan
>>153188355why are these threads being made back to back? and if you idiots love John K so much, why don't we actually discuss Ren & Stimpy or any of his other works?
>>153188385Kys
>>153188408never
>>153188536You should
>>153188355>posted it again award
>>153188355here before lovecraft's cat shits around this one
>>153188385Everyone knows there hasn’t been a good North American cartoon since 1964. That include’s John’s copycat tripe.
>>153188712Name 20 post-'64 cartoons.
>>153188712Wrong>>153188720Not what he meant
>>153188355>>153188385John K's level of creative output is pathetic. You're not fans of a cartoonist so much as you're fans of a blog writer with strong opinions about cartoons.If John K spent half as much time honing his craft as he spent running his mouth, he'd have multiple creator-owned animated series on streaming platforms.
>>153188712ren and stimpy
>>153188385>john k's cartoonsSuch as? A 80y old show?
>>153188355John k more like John gay lol
>>153189477John k more like Jhon Que jajaja
>>153189477That blatantly false. He's raped multiple little girls if the undisputed evidence he was found guilty of in court can be believed
>>153188355Better at what?
He raped me.
>>153189494Woah that's John Cray
>>153189477This is blatantly true. He supports gay rights, and Ren and Stimpy are a homosexual couple.
>>153188637Just because you gave up on your natural personality and whenever it speaks within the nightmarish FNAF animatronic type state you've made of your soul its like a little shit dribbling out doesn't mean that's true of me. You are projecting.>>153188763Same dude as last thread. How many hours have you dedicated to coming up with hatred for him, hundreds?>>153189494That's funny since when men go after little boys its not counted as a homosexual crime.
>>153189596Well if that be what John Say
>>153189596woaw (based based based)
>>153189527Lol
>>153189527He goes on rape rampages. That's why we love him
This again?
>>153188396Stimpy's Invention on Sega Genesis was the only really solid Ren & Stimpy game. I liked the Quest for the Shaven Yak one on Game Gear too as a kid, but its pretty basic.
These threads are made by Guy so he can jackass to the humiliation he receives whenever he starts talking about John K
>>153188763Only reason anyone believes John K was actually important or influential or even remotely talented as a cartoonist is because the guy spent the decades after his abject and complete failure out of the industry telling everyone how great he was on his blog, while everyone else in the industry was too busy making cartoons to spin exaggerated tales about their super important contributions to the industry. He acted as a first mover to himself by running to the internet to fabricate his own reputation before anyone else could show up and provide any counter narrative.
>>153190491I don't need to make them, transgenders and homosexuals in animation spawn them like a schedule for community therapy. The discussion is repetitive but allows me to study the collective neurological workings of lgbtq in the process and establish an eternal name for myself in history of traditions.
>>153190536This just makes his critics sound pathetic because he is like a giant who can't be outweighed by dozens, hundreds, or even thousands on them (in the case of social media).
>>153190536That blog made him the next Dick Williams to a generation of kids in art school. Killer strat
>>153191037Nope, if you were actually around animation students got psychotic because they were spending a bunch of money every year and John was teaching better for free. They used their social influence in calarts or wherever to maneuver against his students and starve their opportunities.A few of them got extremely regretful towards me since they thought I was in physical college as well but they just clobbered my effort to escape poverty as a teen.
>>153190966If he's such a giant, then why was Adult Party Cartoon canceled after 3 episodes? Why is the only gig he's managed to land, over decades, been guest Simpsons couch gags?
>>153191678The irony of getting those jobs after The Simpsons’ animation lost any appeal it started off with. It’s perfect. He was in the right place at the right time for once.
>>153191678I'm saying that you're the one making him sound like a giant. The issue is with your theory of how he became so well-respected.
>>153191758If only anyone from the 90s era was still working on that show. I bet they'd have gotten a kick out of having that loud-mouther prick come crawling to them to do 30 seconds of animation for the show he talked shit about for 20 years.
>>153190536>Only reason anyone believes John K was actually important or influential or even remotely talented as a cartoonist iStop trying to rewrite history. You act like you're correcting lies, but what you're saying is bullshit. John hyping himself up isn't why he was liked, people thought he was talented (which he was, in many but not all respects) because he created Ren & Stimpy. That's the main reason the average cartoon fan cared about Spumco and what John had to say. The average person liked him primarily because he created Ren & Stimpy, and after he left the show it went noticeably downhill. The show was a huge deal for a lot of people, especially anyone into cartoons. Really anon, it's okay for you to just say something like "John gets more credit than he deserves" or something more reasonable without exaggerating it into "nobody believes he was remotely talented."
>>153191770Don't pretend like you haven't been obsessively posting about how amazing and important you think John K is to cartoons for years on /co/, Guy. It's not a good look.
>>153191795The issue is what was said, not my attitudes or activities or anything else.
>>153191792>people thought he was talentedPeople thought he was talented because he took credit for the work everyone else on the crew did and then lied in his blog about how much work he did and how much he knows about cartoons and how important his contributions were to the entire industry and how he saved cartoons from being toy commercials and fought back against the terrors of the CalArts style (which at the time was him seething about Iron Giant because no one was making grotesque, exaggerated expressions)In the thread from yesterday had faggots, including Guy for 1/3rd of the total posts, insisting that John was so amazing and so important. When it was argued that wasn't the case, because John got multiple second chances to prove everyone wrong and show what a master of animation he was, and fucked it up every time, suddenly the issue isn't that John K is amazing and people don't believe that, but that refuting John K's claims with John K's actual career and track record, is too mean or too hyperbolic.
>>153191037John K is not even remotely on the same level as Richard Williams. I don't think it can even properly be stated how important RW is for helping create the renaissance generation, and far beyond that with his book.
>>153191849>is too mean or too hyperbolic.The point you missed in the previous thread is that you treat the subject so emotionally that you can't give an honest look at John. You present things in the most negative possible light rather than trying to be honest about what's known. Much like you misrepresented the arguments in the previous thread just now.Also, you are genuinely being too hyperbolic. >because he took credit for the work everyone else on the crew did and then lied in his blog about how much work he didHe contributed plenty to the show while he worked on it.>how much he knows about cartoonsHe genuinely does know a ton about cartoons, you can't reasonably deny that side of him.Why are you getting so emotional over these very mild defenses of John?
I think the people insisting John was only popular because of his blog must not have even been alive back then. Or at least not old enough to remember how things were. It's absurd to act like the blog is what made John K known and respected, rather than the blog getting big because John K was already known and respected.
>>153191961If John K were half as talented as John K insists he is, he would not be the colossal failure and pariah he is today. Simple as. Cry about it, if you want, but the past ain't changing. He got his 15 minutes of fame more than once and still couldn't stay in the industry he insists he shaped and saved.
>>153192002The blog didn't make him popular, but a lot of people like to cite it as a very important thing that taught valuable and insightful cartooning knowledge that influenced numerous artists and cemented John K's legacy. The problem with that fiction is that the blog is half bullshit that doesn't actually work for anyone who actually got work in the industry, and the other half was John reciting information from books written by better animators, or passing off advice he received working with Bakshi as his own personal wisdom. There was a time when John K worked on good and successful stuff. No one can deny that. He even played a part in the formative work of other cartoonists who were on the same projects he sometimes oversaw. The guy is part of cartoon history. However, he is also the guy who made the Ripping Friends, Adult Cartoon Party, and Cans Without Labels (all colossal, humiliating failures that ended his career long before he got outed as a groomer) and that is more representative of John K's level of talent and understanding of animation than any theoretical perfect John K that people have mythologized in these threads.
>>153191942That might be why I specified the one group he was a formative influence on in making the williams metaphor
>>153188355He and the rest of Bakshi's fag band ruined cartoons by saying it's bad to sell toys (toys aka merch is how you make money you retarded faggots) and how all animation should be storyboard driven (this is why you have animation that has plot holes, inconsistency, and quirk chungus dialog that sounds like a gen alpha nig wrote it)He ruined cartoons and the idea of ever trusting artists again. Now because of him we get slop because no one trusts artists anymore because they follow his advice and it comes up shit. He's done nothing of note since Ren and Stimpy. He's not creative.
>>153189606You change your name Guy? You're still as schitzo and retarded as ever you fat gross Itallian slime ball loser.
>>153188712There has. You just have shit taste.
>>153189494Pedos in entertainment and politics don't go to jail anon.
>>153188385fpbp, but /a/ is filled with terminal contrarians coping
>>153189596John is a closeted homosexual. His cartoons speak to his own faggotry and he literally admitted to sexualy torturing the boy Jimmy The Idiot Boy was based on (John and a friend of his as children would pull his pants down and slap his penis until it became big and red and he cummed so they jacked him off too. This is yalls hero, John K Fags.
>>153190942You change your name but still answer to guy lol. Never change guy. Don't even know why you changed your name.
>>153191161No one prevented you from escaping poverty. You were sending creepy letters to people harassing them saying you were some kind of divine chosen cartoon God when your art is lacking in basic fundamentals and cohesion. Learn to draw instead of listening to the voices in your head guy.
>>153191770Guy you're literally the only person who sees John as a giant. He made his contributions. But that's it. Cans without lables sucked.
>>153191792Turn the name back on guy. For an anonymous board. You type the exact same. So there's no point in being anonymous because your voice is truly unique guy. So you have that going for you.
>>153188355>>153188385call me a bad cartoon fan, but I like creators who actually finish cartoons. not touching children is also a plus
>>153192002>>153192111John straight up contradicts himself in that blog multiple times. But the blog itself is valuable to hear what he thinks and just be entertained by the blog in general. He's so batshit insane he's fascinating. I hope his blog is archived and preserved forever.
>>153192684You're speaking of a time from over 10 years later. In 2010 I was psychologically crushed, people ignored what I actually said, and I faced many other problems. As for my drawing, none of you are willing to say more than a few words or acknowledge seeing my work. There are no drawing standards in the industry.>>153192696Still can't understand my response.
>>153192757Based.
John K undoubtedly has more experience actually making and working on cartoons than most people on /co/. He got to work alongside some legends at a time when animation was still a laborious, high skill medium. During his younger years, he was passionate and dedicated to animation, and that landed him a position that allowed him to make a very iconic show that played a part in permanently changing the direction of Nickelodeon as a network.He was also fired 2 years into production on Ren and Stimpy and the show continued for 3 more seasons without him. His strongly-held opinions about the way animation should be done and how everything needs to push expressions and poses to extremes does not hold up. His design sensibilities and artistic habits are more of a novelty and a personal quirk than anything truly amazing that the whole medium should be seeking to bring back. When separated from the rest of the Spumco team, who owe him something, if even just begrudging acknowledgement that he was a large reason they got their start, John K failed over and over to prove that his beliefs about cartoons were right, that his techniques for how things should be done do work, and that his general attitude and ego were earned. He got to make Ren and Stimpy without network executives holding him back, and it sucked. Everyone hated it. He got his kickstarter money for a single animated short and couldn't finish it. He tried over and over and over again to prove the value of his specific creative vision and only produced garbage.To say something as retarded as "john k is better than any other cartoonist and it's not even close" is just hyperbolic bait. He's worth knowing about as part of cartoon history, but not worth idolizing.
>>153192812Dude are you spending hours per day writing hate screeds against John>>153192757You were molested psychologically until you pleased your pederasts by speaking 2 approved opinions from your mouth >>153192576Boil, strike 2 and your trans fetish gets harder to enjoy.
>>153192841You spend every fucking day here and spent multiple days in the previous John K thread screaming about trannies and commies and all those threatening emails you're going to send. Not to mention your literal decades of catastrophically autistic behavior on /co/ alone.
whos the psycho in these threads who has a hate boner for John K?
We need this type of cartooning back.
>>153192877>using a screenshot from a season John K didn't even work onlollmao
>>153192707That doesn't sound anything like guy. Guy would be throwing in references to Jesus and homosexuality and would never say "John gets more credit than he deserves." His whole thing is talking about John like he's the second coming.
>>153193043He worked on that episode though, came up with the story anyway
>>153192812>how everything needs to push expressions and poses to extremes does not hold upI don't think that accurately describes his views or even his own style.
>>153194360He was doing it last post >>153159087
>>153194461False guy
>>153192812>To say something as retarded as "john k is better than any other cartoonist and it's not even close" is just hyperbolic baitBut yeah this part is right. The guy saved the image as "2nd coming of christ.jpg" and made this thread twice, it's just blatant bait posting.
>>153188385I'm pretty sure John doesn't even like his own cartoons. He appreciates what he did but he's fully aware that he can't match both the old masters he studies from and the impossible standard he's set for himself.
