>>153269478
Have her fuck off. She and Zuko come to an understanding where they bring out the worst in each other and agree to never meet or speak again. Azula starts her own life as far away from the Fire Nation and does her best to focus on her new friends and family and leave her old life behind.

>>153270117
Azula would never do that. She’s not the self-loathing “find myself” type like Zuko who wants to leave it behind and become a wholesome heckin farmer or some shit. She’s royalty.
>>153269478
Fast forward to when they’re adults. Azula knows she can’t become Firelord anymore, but settles on advising Zuko’s son to still have some power over the nation

>>153270274
*maybe could also become a general, but that might piss her off since they’d just be slowly dismantled for war reparations

>>153269478
A massive threat to the fire nation comes that requires Azula's help. Zuko frees crazy Azula from prison. Despite being crazy, her strategy helps the Gaang overcome the threat and in the final battle she sacrifices herself to save everyone.

>>153270324
She would also have a scene where she apologizes to Mai and Azula for how she treated them.

>>153270339
>She would also have a scene where she apologizes to Mai and Azula for how she treated them.
Azula would apologize to herself?

>>153269478
Azula needs proper professional therapy, multiple medications, and the desire to be legally free, even if it means questioning how she ended up in her current mental state.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5827377/1/Morality-Chain

Not so much a redemption arc for Azula persay, as she her arc is more about her choosing to fight her father and confrunting her upbringing. And definitely not post cartoon but this is properly the most realistic depiction of her being good in any way. Givin how she still a bit crazy here. I know this is not what's being asked for here, but its one of my favorite Fics and wish more people would read it. As it is probably the best insperation I would have to awnser this question.

Cause she is a Sociopath, and if she redeemed herself. It would have to come to grips with her being being changed by what few connections she would actually care about. Sure Anag could try and be calming and the like, try and see if he can emaptily reach her. Only to fail in that and have to realize that a more practical and logical approach would best get her to become her Mother's advisor. Cause the relationship between the two is pretty fractured.

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>>153271139
Isn't that the one where Zuko rapes Azula and she gets pregnant?

In a way that mirrors Zuko's redemption while highlighting the differences; that her aggression and egotism is different from Zuko's insecurity and frustration. So it would have to be about her finding empathy, where Zuko's redemption is more like finding rationality.

She would need to have some sort of objective like Zuko needed to capture Aang, but then have some sort of spiritual guide character to help her along, subtly teaching her to care for others. There isn't really a character within the series that is particularly well-suited for that role though. It couldn't be Uncle Iroh or any of Aang's friends. I guess technically the closest thing would be Bumi who would have the mirror -image-to-Iroh angle by being crazy instead of calm, but that also wouldn't work. So it would have to be an original character.

Also it would have to be after the Azula beach episode but before the climax of the series. So the timeline would have to be altered somewhat.

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>>153269478
>How should one do an Azula Redemption Arc but not being antagonistic with fire lord Zuko?
Azula had a mental break-down episode, that she gets over - and isnt permanently crazy
she rejoins the plot when Zuko, seeing that she's doing better, tries talking to her normally, and it slowly turns into her giving him advice on court politics
it becomes obvious that their ideas are at odds, Zuko wants to use political solutions as means of avoiding violence - while Azula believes that politics is just another tool used to strong-arm people into doing what you want
it quickly becomes obvious that she is trying to push Zuko into being her ideal of a Fire Lord, but because of some kind of crisis ( a civil war or something equally serious) he has to rely on her help
something dramatic happens and Zuko is forced to crack down hard on his opponents
turns out that unleashing overwhelming brutality against his foes minimalizes overall casualties, so Zuko leans into that more
Azula now gets to see first hand her ideals realized
and doesn't like it - which forces her into a retrospective episode
she now has to find a non-violent solution, and convince Zuko to choose it instead, essentially arguing against the world view she used to hold
ultimately the siblings find a middle ground and Azula becomes Zuko's right hand and chief advisor
she also becomes a professor in the Royal Academy for Girls

>>153269478
Aang seals her power amend shes ostracized by the Fire kingdom as Azula of the flame the mad queen.
After yet another assassination attempt and talk of a coup Zuko publicly removes her from the royal family and "executes her"

She smiles bitterly as zuko blue flames burn her. Her lasts words are "I didnt know you had it in you".

She awakes unharmed in a small faraway portion of the fire kingdom. Yukon sitting in a small chair hands folded in hus lap. Katarra and Aang healing her surface injuries.

She sits up and tries to leap away before her iron restraints halts her midair.
Not so fast Toph says.

Zuko says "Azula is dead. Start over here." He says nothing else turns and leaves. The rest follows him quietly.
Her provocations and screams ignored by Zuko.
Katarr asks him if hes sure about leaving her like this.
He replies Shes..as harmed by our upbringing as I am. I carry my scar of that wound on my face. The scars she carries in her heart are no worse.

They leave her there. The sound of frustrated weaping is heard in the distance as they fly away.

Azula was never evil.

>>153270403
Yes. She'd have a Persona moment

>>153269478
Ignoring the comics, Zuko “banishes” Azula to find their mother when she’s stable enough to function. She goes on her own little Zuko S1-2 quest, maybe even with Iroh. Azula still has occasional hallucinations (which she hides, not wanting to be locked up again,) and there is an underlying paranoia of whether Zuko’s lead on Ursa was real or just a way to get Azula out of the way, so she flip-flops on trusting Iroh’s advice. On her quest she learns things is humbled and grows as a person yadda yadda and then she’s able to confront Ursa directly when they reunite.

Name a more forced ship than Azula and Aang.
No, Zutara isn't as forced as this one because at least Zutara has a considerable number of shippers.

>>153273182
Kataang

>>153273182
Jetko

>>153273182
Toph x The Duke (They think he's Kanto)

>>153273182
Not forced, you just hate Aang.

>>153273156
Why would she confront the woman she all but dismissed for the entire show and took pride in terrifying?
Why not confront Ozai?

I never understood this line of reasoning. Even the kast moment mommy issues in the series were an obvious ass pull.
I mean, she's litterally a 1:1 ripoff of Asuka at this point with none of the earned pay off.

No subtle hallucinations of her mother. No precious or bad memories of her before that
Not even her having a keep sake of her she jealously guards.

They just ripped off the character of Asuka whole cloth with this one.

Imagine how much better Azula's meltdown would have been if we didn't see it from her perspective, meaning we didn't see or hear Ursa.

>>153271201
That's Dominion.

>>153271347
>>153273156
Bumi would be perfect for an Azula banishment story

>>153273671
Well, she’s confronting her own unconscious mommy complex through the experience of psychosis, you see, it’s not really about Ursa or their past but who Azula is, how she got here and who she will choose to be. Reaching her real mom and knowing the difference between the human being and the hallucinations and seeing her true feelings represents closure for Azula whether or not she ends up having an actual relationship to her mom.
The turtleduck bit was actually about both Zuko and Azula, you know.

>>153269478
The easiest way is to portray Azula's confidence and self worth to be heavily tested or shattered by what happened to her at the end of the series. Imo her breakdown and loss was the first step in making redemption possible for her, as her living life in the way Ozai taught her led to the exact opposite of everything she ever wanted. When you break her down Azula seems to want a happy life with her family over anything like power or violence or whatever. What "Happy" here means has been twisted by Ozai to be toxic and authoritarian though which is why she failed. She tried to be perfect and failed, she tried to control her friends with fear and pushed them away, she modeled herself on Ozai's teachings to earn his pride and got thrown away for all her hard work. Essentially her entire life was proven to be a falsehood so she now has the capacity to reject what she used to be. That doesn't mean she becomes good or nice at all, but she should be more open to parley and working with the Gaang if push comes to shove. It could even just be portrayed as a subconcious nagging awareness that she needs to change or that she's following a lie if she's still trying to be evil in your fic. Essentially the idea of her being wrong and needing to change has been planted in her head, especially after the spirit temple comic reinforced pretty much everything I said before this.

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Are there any fics that take a serious look at post canon storytelling featuring Sokka and Azula? I feel like there's a well of untapped potential there as long as you're not using the super flanderized Sokka the fandom made that they put in the new Movie. Sokka is like the only one in the gaang who would cross harsh lines without hesitation if it meant keeping his family safe and hes clever and pragmatic enough to bounce off Azula in ways none of his friends can. Unfortunately I have yet to run into any decent non ship fics and looking at the ship fics there's only been like 4 that passed the bar and one was in russian.

>>153275128
The mommy issues stuff is unearned in the story and feels tacked on. Theres no real meat there until she confronts herself and ozai.
A confrontation and exile for her crimes is needed before she can rebuild.

>>153275935
At no point has she shown the slightest inkling that she wants a happy family. She us what her empire and family made her.

>>153269478
I was actually thinking about this earlier today. Azula would resist pretty much all encouragement to change/just get along and Zuko would struggle with trying to help her. The major issue is that from Azulas world point view, the fire nation SHOULD rule all other nations, it is her responsibility as Princess and arguably her destiny to bring about that rule and 2) she has never been loved unconditionally* and all her relationships since she was a child have been on unequal footing. Now I think she genuinely loves Zuko but as a child seeing the events between Iroh/Ozai made her realize that her position as beloved daughter could easily be jeopardized if Zuko were to outperform her. Siblings therefor are in competition with eachother. Like Ozai taught her, anything that could be perceived as weakness was bad. But being a good daughter in Ozai's eyes meant being a monster in her mother's. On top of that, Iroh belittles her by giving her a doll, and Zuko a knife from a defeated war general. Now maybe he didn't want to encourage any violent tendencies in Azula but it also comes off as insulting.

And her friends cannot truly be her friends as they are her servants and below her. They should obey her every whim. Not exactly a ground for a real relationship.

I think the comics had some good ideas--a spiritual element is desperately needed for Azula. Something, some powers beyond that of her own. Her journey would be longer and arduous. And I feel like she would need someone in her corner who believes in her and tries to help her: no matter how many times she purposefully tries to push them away.

>>153276201
You didn't get what I was saying then. "Happy family" to Azula doesn't mean what a happy family means to everyone else. Azula Ozai and Zuko dominating the world with Mai and Ty Lee kept in check at her side is her vision of a happy life. My point was that a happy life to her seems to entail having everyone with her, staying in control, and keeping her father's favor. Losing those things mentally obliterated her so it's not like there's no correlation here.

>>153273589
No I agree with him, it’s extremely forced. You always see the same two SEAfags posting here about “genocide reparations.” When the loudest voices for a ship are just using it for their fetish, then it was never a ship to begin with.

>>153273771
Or if we only only saw part of it, then the perspective shifted and Ursa disappeared while Azula kept talking to her.

>>153269478
Easy: Zucest

>>153271139
The author not having the balls to go full Zucest was so cringe

>>153273182
It's forced but I think Azula and Katara is at least as forced.

>>153276143
No because this is a terrible ship and your idea of Sokka as this smart pragmatic guy isn't real. He's a goofy noodly armed teenager who takes himself too seriously and get dunked on for it.

>>153277891
Still on season 1?

>>153277911
No, I watched the entire show and that was the closest they had to a character for him, after that they just jumped from idea to idea without committing to anything beyond him being the comic relief, sometime being the goofy idiot being dumb which blow up in his face and sometime the straight man that's the butt of the joke.
They even couldn't decide on what gimmick to give him between the boomrang, the bird, the sword, the girlfriend, keeping the group's moral up by making them laugh etc.

>>153276143
>An argument between Sokka and Azula, totally like foreplay to them.
It'd be Azula getting the best of him within the first 3 words before he sputter in shock and anger and she loses all interest and knock him out.
People really forget how she made him fold like wet paper on the day of the black sun.

>>153277935
Interesting how there's two factions of Sokka interpretation. Either he's a somewhat goofy but highly competent and pragmatic leader who was the unspoken core of taking team avatar to victory, or he's nothing more than a knuckle dragging goofball who has dumb luck ideas at best scattered through the show.

>>153278095
I'm not on either side, my point is actually that Sokka is neither because he has no consistent characterization beyond being the comic relief so he's at best whatever is funnier for the episode.
Compare and contrast Sokka's 'meat lmao' in the first two episode to Sokka's 'Ashktually, oh my science!' in the Fortune Teller.
Also he objectively wasn't the leader of the Gaang, it was Aang, cause of course he's the main character, sometimes with Katara co-leading because of course, she's the love interest.

>>153278095
>>153278120
It's like how Katara was both someone who struggled with waterbending to the point of getting jealous of Aang and then someone who was an uber prodigy to an almost greater extent than any other prodigy in the show.
But at least in her case, the show mostly settled on the second interpretation of her a while / the Pakku stuff.

>>153278120
I didn't mean he was the leader as in he was overtly leading them. I meant he was the one who was trying to get them from point A to point B through much of the show while keeping them alive or on task (in a logistics sense).

>>153278144
Oh. Then they kinda took turn depending on whatever was the latest distraction so that interpretation is more legitimate.
Honestly Appa kinda decided that one the most since he was the travel plot device thanks to flying.

>>153278143
I hope you understand that both of these things can be true. Waterbending could have been hard for her to pick up initially but also she could be capable of exponential growth once she got the ball roiling. It's not like a character has one trait be portrayed and then they're locked into that trait for the entire show or else it's "incoherent characterization".

>>153278167
It can but here it was 'one episode the struggle is mentioned, it's kept like that for a few episodes, it doesn't get mentioned anymore and now suddenly she's a genius both Hama and Pakku shit their pants about and it stays like that for the rest'.
Especially since both her and Aang were learning the same stuff in both occasions.
It's not like 'Oh she was struggling, then Pakku / Hama gave her key advice and she unlocked her potential since'.
That's more Zuko's arc.

>>153275037
most compelling post itt

>>153278194
>It can but here it was 'one episode the struggle is mentioned, it's kept like that for a few episodes,
NTA and it's been a while since I watched the show, but the way I remember it is that she was depicted struggling from ep 1 thanks to trying to work out waterbending with no formal guidance until they found the scroll (ep 9) and afterward she was shown bending progressively more competently (ep 10 had her helping Jet with the water from the geysers) until she trains under Pakku and gets a boost going into S2. The progression never felt that weird when I was watching.

>>153278378
It's not really shown progressively tho, it just happens. It's noticeable when you watch it back to back rather than weekly IMO.

>>153278194
>It's not like 'Oh she was struggling, then Pakku / Hama gave her key advice and she unlocked her potential since'.
>That's more Zuko's arc.
not really, Zuko's written with an innate talent that makes him work like he's a video game protagonist - he needs to fight to level up his skills, increase his character level and acquire new abilities after, or during, every major encounter

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Unironically just kill Azula. As retards such as >>153270274 imply you cannot have an Azula who does not embody her sole character traits: jealousy, mania, manipulation, psychopathy, a total bankruptcy of positive emotions. If that's the case then just have a villain who requires setup kill her. The last episode she was in already deconstructed her and that's realistically the only staying power she's ever had outside of being dommy-sister incest bait fucking crap that's worthless outside of pornography. Kill her if she has nothing going on for her and may never evolve or have an arc. She began as an overly-convenient plot contrivance and should end as a better-written one. Have some villain tear apart who she is so there's nothing left to be smug about and then pop her head like a grape.

>>153278482
Each fight where he 'levels up' is just him finally getting the lessons people were trying to teach him through his head.

>>153278496
Cringe and gay.

>>153278496
Based

>>153278496
>>153278508
Cringe and samefagging

>>153278496
Whats funny is we have a whole thread about this where Azulafags try to defend her shallow villainess bullshit >>153263666

>>153278496
>>153278532
>He got kicked out of his seethe thread and had to cry here
Lmao.

>>153278496
This is sort of true. People who insist that Azula can only exist while being the same villain she was introduced as and can never grow beyond being a villain are just making a long winded argument that she's served her purpose as a character and needs to go.

>>153278532
>we
Dunno, man, scrolling through your link, it seems to just be you screeching and everyone saying you're dumb and now peacefully talking about Zucest.
Which was the same as this thread until you started your tantrum.

>>153278505
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>>153278555
Azulafags have been a cancer on the board since what 2009? Holy shit grow up. You only like this character for bad incest porn. She is never allowed to have an arc because it would take away from your porn.

>>153278568
>Everyone has been disagreeing with me for 17 years, stop being right!
Sounds like a you problem.

>>153278568
Have you tried being right a single time since 2009? I think that would solve that issue you're shitting up the thread for.
Your murder fantasies not being popular just mean they are garbage.

>>153278496
>The last episode she was in already deconstructed her and that's realistically the only staying power she's ever had
This is kind of right. I dont remember anything else Azula besides that moment and Mai/Ty Lee turning their back on her.

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>>153278496
>all the seething replies

>>153278496
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>>153278594
Hey, this is the spamming samefag who was outed for only having watched the live action. Glad you got kicked out of the thread.

>>153278602
I think >>153278568 might have had a point. Add Azula schizo to the list I guess

>>153278496
This post resurrected ancient /co/ autism

>>153278605
>I think I was right
Too bad nobody else does regardless of the thread you're on, eh? There's still a third thread for you to run to after this, don't worry.

>>153278614
He was actually just having that tantrum on another thread an hour ago, he even linked it here in hope of getting back up >>153278532
It's far from ancient.

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>>153278496
>>153278545
>>153278588
Reminder Azula matters so little that she wasnt even in that new movie. Even the writers think she was one note

>>153278635
Samefag 5 more times, I'm sure you'll feel better then.

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>>153278505
>>153278527
>>153278543
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>>153278602
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>>153278643
>all these replies in less than 20 minutes

>>153278658
He successfully baited one of the longest lasting schizos on the board.

>>153278658
azulafag is as mentally ill as his waifu

>>153278658
ancient autism

>>153278658
Want to see him really melt down? Post Pigzula

>>153278658
>>153278664
>>153278666
>>153278667
Notice how since you fled here, literally no such crying is happening on the thread you got bullied off from? Showing you're just samefagging really hard?

>>153278675
>projecting this hard when 95% of the last thread is you calling everyone else a retard

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>>153278672
Nah, I want to see YOU cry so I'm gonna post that.

>>153278677
>NO U!!!!
Weird how that last thread is still going and everyone is still agreeing and still saying you're a retard now that your spam is over.
Meanwhile nobody here agreed with you or was even talking about any of that until you suddenly started spamming.
And it suddenly all stop at once whenever you're kicked out again.

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>>153278496
In awe of how much butthurt you caused

>>153278679
Cool twitter thread bro, that’s really relevant to the show

>>153278690
>>153278689
>C-c-cool s-s-showing the headwriter c-c-confirming I'm retard, I-i-i so don't care
Dude, you've been shitting all over two entire threads all day out of pure rage and started talking about the first thread where you got humiliated here with no prompting at all.

>>153278689
its one guy

>>153278679
Lmao, that's what he so mad about? Is that why he keep screeching about 2009? Because he can't tell the difference with 2019?

>>153278725
Specially the guy who got kicked out of the thread he linked in impotent rage after samefagging a bunch.

>>153278726
He's mad about a lot of stuff, don't bother. He'll soon run to the third thread and we can keep talking normally.

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>>153278496
>telling someone their waifu should be killed off

what’s the deal with this guy?

>>153278568
trvke

>>153278763
He was copy pasting weird fanfiction on another thread so someone post the screenshot from Ehaz to say he was wrong and he's been screeching since.
He was pushed off the other thread and now he's making it our problem.

More BREEDING

>>153278687
>And it suddenly all stop at once whenever you're kicked out again.
Called it.

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I don't even think Ozai would respond this negatively to the suggestion Azula be killed off.

>>153278773
who was the guy calling everyone a retard?

>>153278496
Am I missing something? This suggestion isnt that bad. Whats with all the posts?

>>153278781
>I don't even think
Finally, some honesty. Now type faster before anyone notices you're getting punked again.

>>153278792
see >>153278666

>>153278784
It was that anon >>153278532
He's very mad people haven't agreed with him since 2009 and is again making it our problem.

>>153278496
>giving zuko more dead relatives to cry over

>>153278496
>Get made an absolute bitch of on an unrelated thread
>Don't dare say anything there anymore out of sheer shame
>Make a wall of text seething on another thread that was going well, with an added 'Fuck this ship that run /co/ that everyone agreed was cool after I got humiliated!'
>Get laughed at again
>Start replying to yourself over and over about how you're making everyone mad
This is just sad.

>>153278808
The painted lady used to be a human, right? Making her become a spirit ghost could be cool.

>>153278817
>he painted lady used to be a human, right?
No.

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>>153278808
>Zuko... it's Azula. I'm sorry.
>...
>She's gone. He got her. It was just to try and hurt you.
>...
>I'm really sorry. We have to stop them... before...
>...
>You don't really seem upset.
>No not really.

>>153278496
Even Iroh would have agreed with this lmao

>>153278821
Ah, it’s a Korra thing, Mike and Bryan are the ones who said it, whatever their word is worth, and there are more from the comics.

>>153278839
Just 10 more times and you'll finally stop crying, we believe in you.

>>153278839
hate to say im agreeing with the schizo but the timing is suspect

>Burst of sudden 'I totally agree with myself' that are all written the exact same way with the exact same rythme and timing
>Sudden complete silence until next burst
It literally can't be more blatant. Especially when accounting for how slow the thread was up until now.

>>153278496
Wheres the lie?

>>153278871
Just 9 more, buddy!

>We literally got a completely normal discussion drowned out because some retard got mad on a completely different thread and decided to spam here.
Holy shit, you people suck.

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>>153278496
Saved

>>153278899
Just 8 more! And you'll finally stop feeling the burn from the humiliation!

What would redeemed Azula do in a world where the fire nation isn’t on top and she can’t kill people? Teach bending? Raise at-risk foster kids?

>>153278497
was Aang trying to teach Zuko air bending or something?
because even before Iroh's talk about how all elements are connected, Zuko was already adapting techniques used by his opponents or creating his own unique moves

>>153278870
I'm >>153278839
Azula had one character trait in the show and the samefagging post is right

>>153278899
>Not even two lines of replies
>Muh saved!
Newfag go home.

>>153278902
Probably nothing which is what seems to have caused this argument in the first place

>>153278906
Yes, you're the samefag, it was never in doubt.
>>153278902
>What would redeemed Azula do in a world where the fire nation isn’t on top
Fucking her brother and being Firelady, next question.
Or fucking her brother and being his advisor if you count the comics.
>and she can’t kill people?
Azula has a killcount of 0.

>>153278913
>Very obvious stuff, which caused my meltdown on multiple different threads in the first place*
Fixed it for you.
>>153278903
>or creating his own unique moves
Anon, Zuko was breakdancing because Dante does, it was a nod to the VA, not Zuko inventing stuff before Iroh even gives him the lesson he has to learn.

>>153278918
Ok then what does she do after she retires

>>153278927
Same thing as Zuko, bum around in Korra's plot I guess.

>>153278906
>Azula had one character trait in the show
Azula in her intro episode show she's sassy, sarcastic, smart, observant and measured. That's more than one character trait.

>Sudden silence again
That confirms it and anyone still in denial is just retarded

>>153279000
Trips of truth.
Also he's genuinely back on the other thread now.

>>153278845
The LOK spirit lore really makes no sense in general IMO.

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>>153275037
Only good part of that absolute asscheeks movie

>>153278635
Nigga nobody fucking cares about that movie outside of reddit, that shit fuckin' sucked

>>153278777
Aang is so bitchmade tho I don't think Azula would ever want him

>>153279146
>outside of reddit
Even Reddit is mad they changed the voice actors.

>>153279156
That anon just doesn't have the balls to ship Azula with Zuko, that's all.

>>153279162
>Denying yourself Zucest out of pure cowardice
SEAbros, don't tell me you're really like that?

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>>153279130
>>153279146
Dave Bautista beating everyone up is funny, I think I’m going to go out of my way to bring him up in every ATLA thread now

Azula is going to have a redemption in the upcoming movies

>>153279265
By having sex with Zuko!

>>153279265
nigga there are no more movies they’re bankrupt

>>153279156
Why do people hate on a 12 year old so much?

>>153279275
almost entirely because of Book Three, but Azula frying his ass probably didn’t help

>>153279275
I don't. I just think Azulaang is dumb.

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>>153269478
Better Aang Fire Nation ship coming through

>>153279623
Trash too

>>153279623
Zuko can't stop being cucked

>>153279275
he's a very boring plain character after they tried to make him sewious and edgy in S3, and a little of S2 when Appa was kidnapped.
His biggest personality trait in S1 was being fun and goofy and funny but that slowly tapered away for "I am the Avatar I make le scawwy Avatar State face and go glowing eyes but I won't kill I only do le edgy face and everyone does what i say because i'm the most powerfulest".
At that point your only personality left is "aurafarming" as the kids calls it. You might argue from a writing standpoint he "needs" to act serious to show he has a serious side in the serious seasons but that just makes him normal.
Even in S3 redeemed Zuko was a mopey angry guy, Katara was a bitchy karen "mom", Toph was the devilmaycare tomboy, Sokka is the competent clown, if Aang is just whatever the environment tells him to be then he's nothing. He's like a player character in an RPG, cause I don't wanna call it a "self-insert" but he's just a blank slate character for the audience.
He needs a strong personality and consistency or else he feels empty.

>>153278926
>not Zuko inventing stuff before Iroh even gives him the lesson he has to learn
and yet, that is exactly what happens in the show
just like with Zuko having a scar, the out of character reasons don't matter

>>153269478
>Azula Redemption Arc
Kill yourself

>>153279886
>He's still impotently seething
Sorry the dude who wrote the show said you were a retard.

>>153279872
>and yet, that is exactly what happens in the show
That's clearly not what the show intended.

>>153269478
>>153270575
Azula needs proper professional therapy, multiple medications, and the desire to be legally free, even if it means questioning how she ended up in her current mental state.

>>153269478
Ignoring the comic books, how would Azula on trial go and what would be the most likely legal defenses?

>>153280941
There wouldn’t be a trial because most of the nation would be loyal to the war effort

>>153279695
His thing is just as consistent as the others. He’s the main character so his coming-of-age is the main storyline. Aang is a pacifist who has no choice but to make war, a simple monk growing into the responsibility of godlike power. All his seriousness and unseriousness goes back to him being the Avatar. The finale is about him rising to the challenge while staying true to himself. The seriousness in Book 3 is him in the process of reconciling how tf to do that after the fall of Ba Sing Se.

>>153279156
That’s the point of femdom
>>153279162
That’s literally the normie pairing

>>153279695
Then imagine it’s season 1 Aang in ships you perpetual whiner.

>>153279392
You’re a moron.

>>153280941
>>153280978
By AI Copilot.
How Azula’s Trial Would Likely Work (Ignoring the Comics)
1. It wouldn’t be a normal criminal trial
Azula is not an ordinary defendant. She is:

the former crown princess

the daughter of the deposed Fire Lord

a high‑ranking military commander

a teenager

someone who suffered a visible mental breakdown

Because of this, the trial would be a political tribunal, not a simple courtroom case.

Most likely structure
A Fire Nation–led tribunal with representatives from other nations

Closed hearings to avoid riots or noble backlash

A public summary afterward to reassure the world

This mirrors how post‑war societies handle high‑profile figures who are both dangerous and politically sensitive.

2. The Charges She Would Face
Based on the show alone:

Domestic Fire Nation charges
Abuse of authority

Unlawful imprisonment (Mai, Ty Lee, others)

Misuse of the Dai Li

Attempting to seize the throne after Ozai’s fall

International charges
War crimes committed as a commander

Attempted murder of the Avatar

Attempted murder of Katara

Participation in the occupation of Ba Sing Se

However, many of these charges are complicated by the fact that she was acting under Ozai’s authority.


1/?

>>153281171
3. The Most Realistic Legal Defenses
Defense 1: Mental Instability / Diminished Capacity
This is the strongest defense.

Evidence from the show:

hallucinations

paranoia

emotional collapse

self‑harm behaviors (cutting her hair)

inability to regulate her emotions

Argument:
She was not mentally competent during the key events leading up to the Agni Kai and the coup attempt.

Effect:

She is still considered guilty

But not fully responsible

She is diverted into medical care rather than harsh punishment

Defense 2: Duress and Coercive Control by Ozai
Azula was raised in an environment of:

emotional abuse

manipulation

indoctrination

pressure to be a weapon of the state

Argument:
She was shaped by Ozai’s control and acted under his orders.
In Fire Nation law, the Fire Lord’s command is nearly absolute.

Effect:
This does not absolve her, but it significantly reduces her personal culpability.

Defense 3: She Was a Minor
Azula is 14.

Even in a militaristic society, a 14‑year‑old:

cannot legally consent to political authority

cannot be held fully responsible for war crimes

is considered under the influence of adult commanders

Effect:
This pushes the tribunal toward rehabilitation rather than punishment.

Defense 4: Legitimacy of Her Authority at the Time
This is a subtle but important legal point.

Azula’s “coup” against Zuko happened before Zuko became Fire Lord.
She was acting as:

the crown princess

the designated heir

the commander Ozai entrusted with Ba Sing Se

Argument:
She did not overthrow a legitimate monarch — she was executing the will of the sitting Fire Lord.

Effect:
This weakens the most serious domestic charge.

Defense 5: Political Stability
This is not a legal defense, but it is a decisive factor.

Harshly punishing Azula would risk:

noble rebellion

political instability

international criticism

undermining Zuko’s legitimacy

The tribunal must balance justice with the need to stabilize the Fire Nation.

>>153281176
4. The Most Likely Verdict
A realistic, politically safe outcome:

Verdict
Azula is guilty of multiple offenses

BUT she is not fully responsible due to mental illness, coercion, and being a minor

Sentence
Mandatory medical treatment

Long‑term supervision

Loss of political authority

Restricted movement

Regular evaluations

Eventual conditional release

This satisfies:

the world’s need for accountability

Aang’s philosophy of restorative justice

Zuko’s desire to avoid cruelty

the Fire Nation’s need for stability

5. Why She Would Not Be Executed or Imprisoned for Life
1. She’s a child
Executing a 14‑year‑old would be politically catastrophic.

2. She’s a symbol of the old regime
Harsh punishment risks turning her into a martyr for Fire Nation hardliners.

3. The Avatar’s influence
Aang would strongly oppose extreme punishment and advocate rehabilitation.

4. Zuko’s political position
Zuko cannot start his reign by killing or permanently imprisoning his sister.

6. The Most Likely Post‑Trial Outcome
Azula would be:

placed under medical care

monitored by healers and advisors

gradually reintegrated into society

barred from military or political roles

encouraged to rebuild her identity outside Ozai’s influence

This is the outcome that best fits the worldbuilding, the characters, and the political realities of the post‑war era.

3/3

>>153269478

This show is so highly satanic I would have Azula convert to Christ and kill Aang and send him to HELL

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>>153278949
this might be the funniest post in here

>>153269478
I would like to see Azula or not totally recovered from her mental breakdown but taking medication and trying to cope with it and not being an exile but in the palace with her brother being the Fire Lord and Zuko being able to actually be an older brother protecting his little sister from those who are dangerous from her included her own issues.And no not incestuously and some Fire Nation teenage Noble dudes might be trying to get married to Azula.

>>153276995
The movie finally gave us real threads that aren't thirdie goon slop.

>>153269478
I mean, the arc was already very well set up in the show itself. Azula is a very well-built character and that includes her trauma and pathology.
I think the obvious way to have things play out is for Zuko to try to play the Iroh role for her while visiting her in prison/the mental hospital, trying to impress upon her that she's family and he won't give up on her or abandon her. This will push Azula to do something to "prove" that he's full of shit and will abandon/betray her like everyone else, maybe breaking out and attacking him or helping an enemy set up an ambush or assassination plot, etc.
Arc ends with him tracking her down, proving to her that he's really not going to abandon her no matter what awful shit she does, and her finally calming the fuck down.

>>153269478
Confine her to a prison.
But have her keeper get close to her in a way that Iroh did for Zuko.
Except the relationship is coming from below instead of above.
So it is more about Azula learning those beneath her aren't actually beneath her.
Then there can be a threat that requires her help.
But she regresses. And it gets her keeper killed.
The keeper doesn't even blame her, so Azula has to face the emptiness of someone that didn't expect anything from her being gone.
Then she slowly becomes a better person for herself.

>>153281277
And by medication, it would of course be powder slipped into tea ceremony.

>>153281171
>>153281176
>>153281184
Would it kill you to just remove the sheer amount of line breaks?

>>153279236
I wonder how much he got paid to play "original cool character Gary Stu airbender donut steele pleez <3"

>>153282033
That did not occur to me.

>>153281043
>His thing is just as consistent as the others.
>kills a fly in s2 and grows a spine in s2
>only to completely regress in s3, culminating in a muh pacifism conflict at the 11th hour.
If anything he's the only member of the gang who lacks consistency in large part because of s3.

>>153279623
Traitor's Face had a disappointing ending.

>>153281105
>>153281135
Cope
>>153281171
>>153281176
Cringe

>>153281209
Get madder, retard

>>153285001
>kills a literal fucking bug
oh no!
anyway

>>153286040
>makes fucking faggy trannies seethe
based

>>153269478
Waitress mode. No violence, pure scheming, developing human connections while learning that it's okay to not be Daddy's little project.

You don't need the Gaang for this. She can hold a script for long enough to tell one good story.

Part of Avatar that made it non-ass was that it had a spiritual core. The world in balance is a thing of beauty, and Azula is now learning how to live in that.

Healing is part of life, and it is the protagonist here. Azula is its antagonist, and losing to life is how she realizes that dad was a bitch and she doesn't have to be.

Season to taste.

>>153286040
>>153286067
>The Azulaang SEAfag is now samefagging
Ewww

>>153286119
>Waitress mode.
Except the waiter stuff didn't work on Zuko and was a BAD thing.
>You don't need the Gaang for this.
You very much need the people she has connections with for this, that's how story and characters work.
>She can hold a script for long enough to tell one good story.
No, she can't. No character can and ATLA understood that.

>>153286049
Pick your poison
>commit to acting like he didn't say he wouldn't even kill animals despite him clearly doing so
>try to explain how he clearly didn't kill people at the north pole or when he tossed people off the same cliff chin the conqueror died in.
Lose lose battle either way, but you knew that retard.

>>153286142
We can't have a single thread without him forcing his shitty ship

>>153286142
>SEAfag
Lmao keep coping you retard.

>>153286210
Your presence is shitty yet you keep forcing it on everyone.

>>153286237
The hit dog hollers. Your ship is trash and forcing it won't make people like it more.

>>153286257
Dunno, man, you're the one known throughout the board as a faggot that force his shit on every ATLA thread

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You are a worm lol.

>>153286294
Force it more, that's totally gonna prove your cope that you're not forcing it

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You are BITCHMADE lmao

>>153286157
1.Azula isnt Zuko. A proud princess stripped of power and position forced to serve her "lessers" woukd be good.

2.Which member of the "GAANG" would help her or add to her story? Zero. Maybe Zuko showing up as ththe blue sporit to help her abd train her to fight. Leading to her figuring out hes always been watching over her. I imagine the indignity and rage and would be interesting.

3.Their all save for zuko and Iroh 1 dimensional and would fold in a solo ep like tissue in a hurricane.
Adults redemption arc and disappearance woukd be good. Having her work her way into power through cunning and her alpha bitch nature would be something a female audience would be drawn too.

>>153286327
>Making fun of me and my shitty ship make you a meanie
>Please someone like my ship so I look less dumb! *force it more*
So forced

>>153286344
>A proud princess stripped of power and position forced to serve her "lessers" woukd be good.
No, it wouldn't, it's the kind of petty humiliation that would have a negative effect like it had on Zuko
>2.Which member of the "GAANG" would help her or add to her story?
Zuko first of all, then Aang, as the avatar and the dude she was convinced NEEDED to die and then Katara as a fellow prodigy girl who beat her despite being from an 'inferior nation'.
>3.Their all save for zuko and Iroh 1 dimensional and would fold in a solo ep like tissue in a hurricane.
Zuko and Iroh would to and no, being unable to carry a story doesn't make you 1 dimensional, it means you're not a charisma blackhole.
>Adults redemption arc and disappearance woukd be good
First one could be, the second wouldn't be, that's not how you handle a character.

>>153286395
So yoh just want zuko to give her a hig and everything to be forgiven.
That aang, the kid who she litteralky diesnt really interact with shoukd be there just because?
Not a charisma black hole?

Bitch Azula should be publicly executed to prevent a civil war, coup attempt, and still active fire nobles who still follows ozai and adults racist supremacist ideals.

Youre out of your goddamned mind if you think just sitting down for therapy and taking some pills like a crappy show for 30 year old spinsters and a sorry will fix this.

She has to be depowered and excommunicated at the very least.
She has to be forced to walk amongst normal people and see the price of her madness to learn empathy. Ekse its just bulkshit that no one will ever truly believe or invest in.

>>153286480
I think she’d still have her bending because she’d probably kill herself without it and Aang would be responsible. That and Aang’s spirit would probably job to hers

>>153286477
That's a man

>>153286480
>So yoh just want zuko to give her a hig and everything to be forgiven.
No, I want them to have an arc together instead of having your shitty coffee shop AU with random OCs.
>That aang, the kid who she litteralky diesnt really interact with shoukd be there just because?
The kid she's tried to kill for months in the name of her country should be her for her redemption, yes.
Notice how you didn't even address Katara.
>Random shitty fantasies and headcanon
No, your shitty fanfic doesn't have to happen and the show made clear it wouldn't and would be awful and bad if it did.

>>153286480
This is some next level mental illness.

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>>153286538
>>153286518
>>153286496
This is retarded.
Have fun shlicking to your tough gurl fantasy.

>>153286613
You are indeed retarded.

>>153286869
>Even Aang hate your shitty ship in your own fantasy
Most pathetic bump ever

>>153287050
Aang is scared Katara will see his boner.

>>153287167
Cope

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7679074/1/The-Dragon-King-s-Temple
yes, it's a stargate crossover, yes, it's cringe at times, but all in all i really liked it.

>>153287232
Only SG1 was good so it's kinda like ATLA. (Atlantis was neat IMO)

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>>153269478
Rufftoon already solved this

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Can the franchize literally ever recover from what they did to it?

>>153286187
exception that proves the rule, he even regrets it later
his characterization remains consistent. i'm sorry you took the 'aang killed hundreds' shitposts seriously

>>153286040
>>153286294
>>153286327
I think Azula and avatar Aang have become more popular idea on this website recently.

>>153287842
You think wrong.

>>153287412
technically yes, but it would require strength they don't have

>>153278496
>all these replies
what

>>153288066
He had to agree with himself a lot out of butthurt because he was bullied on another thread

>>153288114
i was going to ask about that too because you have been here for 24 hours reading it

>>153288147
What?

>>153287842
I have noticed its picked up in recent years. Its an interesting pairing, considering they barely ever interact in the main show funnily enough. Despite that, its one of the three best Aang pairings, the other two being Toph/Aang and Mai/Aang

>>153288181
>Top 3
>2 are complet garbage with girls he never even talked to
Kill yourself

>>153288066
some samefag having a meltdown
>>153288147
what did he mean by this

>>153288209
Why are you telling someone to kill themselves over a crackship? This isn't tumblr or twitter.

>>153288114
>>153288227
Damn, what a faggot then.

>>153288239
Cause you're annoying and retarded. Also because I can.
>This isn't tumblr or twitter.
Exactly so stop whining and kill yourself.

>>153288258
That's my first post itt, so I doubt it.

>>153288415
You doubt what exactly?

>>153287842
Yeah its great

>>153288415
>>153288437
Can you make the samefagging less blatant while talking to someone, dude?

>>153269478
The bitch is insane, she can't be fixed.

>>153287412
Unless they retcon literally everything that came after the original cartoon, no.

>>153287343
Based fujo storyboarder

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>>153288429
I doubt that I'm annoying and retarded based off of a single post. I think that describes >>153288458 better.

>>153289474
>>153289545
>>153289564
>>153289632
>No u
Annoying retard bumping his dead thread lmao.

>>153279933
lmao
do you also believe that the show "intended" to end with zutara ?
like with Lucas naming the protagonist of his saga Luke, what we see is what we get

>Zutara out of nowhere
Rent free

>>153269478
you kinda need to rewrite ATLA a lil. there's been speculation that there is a book missing between book 2 and book 3, but in interviews aaron ehasz has actually said that the planned 4th season of the show that was cancelled was actually planned to come AFTER the book 3 we did get. so really there's no getting away from the fact that Azula's story and the inner workings of the fire nation in general are really underdeveloped. any redemption arc you try to write without first adding more in that respect would feel like it came out of nowhere

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>>153287683
>he even regrets it later
He didn't regret shit, him killing the giant horsefly literally never came up, and the show never addresses the multiple times his actions obviously led to casualties.
>his characterization remains consistent.
He literally ran away in the finale when his entire arc from season 2 was learning to face things head on.
Sorry you're upset that the bald twink is the least well written character among the Gaang.

>>153290611
i legit can't help you if you didn't watch the show and you're unable to understand basic themes and characterization in a children's cartoon
you are definitely autistic

>>153290664
That's right, runaway like a bitch. Maybe a Lionturtle will spawn here to save your cope KEK

whatever helps you sleep at night esl-kun
maybe watch the show next time instead of being disappointed that aang didn't turn into shadow bloodedge the killer

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>>153288458
>only one person could possibly be down with azula/aang
you thought ayrt drew all that fanart?

>>153290702
>Muh ur the ESL
You already waved the whiteflag. You dont have to keep showing that you have no argument KEK.

>>153290664
Anyone over the age of 7 can recognize a plot hole.
Its shut writing.

Look. Pre shippuden Sasuke was edgier then shadow the hedgehog in a razor blade factory and he killed fewer people then Aang.

The big difference between them? He considered the lives he took. Aang? Hes a fucking sociopath. He went back to be all happy go lucky lets go on an adventure guys right after.

Its cowardice and bad writing.

>>153290611
>He didn't regret shit, him killing the giant horsefly literally never came up

Directly after the events of The Desert, he stifles his emotions during the Serpents Pass precisely because he hates being driven by anger and grief.
While that specific instance of insect murder isn't adressed, the idea that Aang hates losing control of himself comes up all the time, like when that general wanted to force him into the avatar state or when he was opening his chakras.

>>153270117
>She and Zuko come to an understanding where they bring out the worst in each other


That's the thing, CANONICALLY he brings out the BEST in her. The writers (who, as history has proven, are incompetent) Keep wanting to paint her in a bad light as she grew up but she was objectively the only one in any position of legitimate power and good standing that was actively trying to help Zuko. And she did it numerous times. The problem is the writers wanted Zuko to be part of team Aang, so her helping Zuko be a better Fire nation nobleman is seen as counterproductive and "bad". Because the fire nation is "bad". But that doesn't mean she isn't genuinely trying over and over to help her brother in a nation that she objectively cannot (at the time) ever be a ruler of. She repeatedly tries to aid her sibling who would be an obstacle to power for her....But she's "evil".

>>153290967
>CANONICALLY he brings out the BEST in her.
When?
Your head Canon doesnt count.

>>153291009
>When?
There's actually a very good video essay on youtube explaining this, I can't really think of the mall off the top of my head without going into the wiki and reading an hour of synopses. But what comes to mind is when she talked Zuko into rejoining the Fire nation for one. Didn't need to do that. Could have easily expanded her own base and left herself as the only possible heir if she just offed him or let him keep being a traitorous little dog. That would have been what an evil person would do

>>153291080
He was a scapegoat if the avatar survived and a pawn she could use to her advantage. Till she kills him.

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>>153269478
For me, it's the Distorted Reality AU

>>153290940
>While that specific instance of insect murder isn't adressed
So that doesn't change the point then, thanks for confirming that. The Pacifism plot literally came at the 11th hour and the conversation with yangchen literally has aang conveniently ignore that he justifiably used lethal force before in a manner that clearly wasnt self defense. if airbender society is so rigid that he cant harm "even the life of the finest spider-fly caught in its own web", then his culture was already lost back in desert.
>the idea that Aang hates losing control of himself comes up all the time
>hard pivot away from the point that he regressed from facing things head on.
Sure, right up until the show decides he didn't need to learn to control the avatar state or even unlock it again at the very end. he's just given the answer to his problems via Lion Turtle and a conveniently place rock. A true pillar of consistent characterization...

>>153290940
you're trying to reason with a south american

>>153269478
Put her on BPD meds

>>153291150
I don't recognize any of these characters except punished sokka, and I guess aang who has a dent in his head

>>153291150
>evil bloodbending Katara
Kino and sex

>>153291143
>He was a scapegoat if the avatar survived
Baseless cynicism
>and a pawn she could use to her advantage.
Literally just your speculation

>>153291143
>if the avatar survived
and Zuko would not openly announce his treason, it would have looked to Ozai like Azula was trying to scheme behind his back to get him and his firstborn killed

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>>153291930
azula directly implies both of those things when zuko asks her why she's helping him. did you even watch the show?

>>153292140
>directly implies
The same show that...you know what, just watch the damn video, it's " I Wish I'd Realised This Sooner About Azula " by The Soak. Tell me what you disagree with. It's an hour and a half long. Like I said I'm not going to go study the wiki at 11:30 pm on a Saturday. But you clearly got some things very wrong about this character so I look forward to your opinion about the video essay.

> did you even watch the show?

Years ago, yes. YEARS ago anon.

>>153292140
if that is how you saw it, you might have actual autism

I just watched the movie and every time Aang complains to Katara about how there are no more airbenders I'm just like what are you two even doing?

>>153292318
>>>153293330
>watch an hour & a half video essay by some deranged azula fan who probably doesn't understand her character and fills in the blanks with headcanon
buy an ad
>years ago
maybe you should refresh your memory

>>153293487
He probably had some reservations since the Air Nomads almost exclusively boned air nomads. Just look at how his kids turned out.
>>153294019
Nta but the guy who made it also made Iroh and Toph ones, I still think recommending video essays on an image board is a lazy way to debate though.

>>153294245
i'm like 5min into the essay and he's already ignoring the context of scenes, thinks verbal parental discipline when disrespecting one's elders is 'threatening a child', and is completely ignoring both the intent and signs that azula is a born psychopath