>We need Darkseid but even uglier and retarded What's the point of this guy? Why was he created?
>>153281773The name is gorgeousIf i recall correctly Superman goes into space and has phase of lost in space superman with long hair and suchMongul was the generic despotic ruler, I believe the plant was an alan moore idea later on
Darkseid is more a Cold war politician, he contact allies, give resources, try to provoke civil wars and conflict and when his rebel won, he came to take the resources (antilife ecuation).Mogul is a tyrant, like his father and his son, his MO is more direct, so it can work in a more classics epics like destruction of coast city or warlworld.
>>153281773To complete the daisy chain of knockoffs. From Darkseid to Thanos to Mongol to Apocalypse.
Darkseid but retarded is a solid concept. He gets to do the funnier Flash Gordon plans like kidnapping princesses to inherit their ancient superweapons.
>>153281865Starlin weaves in The Lord High Papal and Synnar too.
>>153281773Darkseid didn't use to just be the lame bbeg of DC fighting superman
>>153281773see>>153281701Darkseid wasn't conceived as a big muscle villain to beat up Superman, that came later. Mongul was part of the ongoing desire to give Superman more villains he could punch.
>>153281773Whenever you see a character that is just a shittier version of an existing character, it's because the writer wanted to use the existing character but wasn't allowed for whatever reason
>>153281773It's hard to have Darkseid always brawl with superman because he is a leader with minions. He should only be a final boss after all the plans fall apart and all the minions defeated. Mongul is made up to have a Darkseid that Superman can get right into a fight with at the beginning of the story and not have to deal with all the other bullshit that needs to come first because of his position.
>>153282432Pretty much this. Mongul is the episodic villain that shows up to personally cause trouble. Darkseid is not the kind of guy that shows up on the streets of Metropolis and starts trouble. He sends a servant, then another then another, and if Superman makes it through all of his goons, then he might get to fight Darkseid. But usually he doesn't Darkseid spouts a line or two about how this was all according to plan and leaves. Mongul will show up, start kicking trash cans, and Superman can get right into a fight with him from the start. This is why he was made, so Superman can get right into a fight with a Darkseid clone without blueballing readers with some evil Bond villain diplomacy and a >Not today Superman...next time!bullshit. They want to see Superman wrestle with a giant bald alien, we get Mongul for that.
>>153281773Look, Watworld is cool so he can do whatever he wants for all I care
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lmao he even fires beams from his eyes like Darkseid. If only Mongul also had a JLA doll collection, he and Darkseid would practically be twins
>>153282916Hey, can’t really blame a guy to draw what he knows.
>>153282916Funnily enough Thanos originally was a Metron rip-off, because of this he flies around in a chair.
>>153281773>Makes a conquering, savage, tyrant of a ruler>Colors face yellow>Names him MongulHow did they get away with this?
>>153281773The point is to have an ugly and retarded Darkseid, what is the question?
>>153283667It was a different time.
>>153281773Mongul is for 'normal' space tyrant stories where Darkseid is an actual God of Evil.
>>153282250aliemony
>>153281773Don't diss Mongul. He's tough enough to beat up Superman, egotistical enough to make his defeats believable, and is very versatile. He's equally at home fucking up Superman's birthday or trying to conquer the universe.He's more usable than Darkseid, and his smug personality is really entertaining.
>>153283848You piece of shit.
>>153283667See Steppenwolf's original design, even silver age Aquaman fought against evil super Mongolians.
>>153283667I think America cares less about Asian's than they do Blacks
Maybe. But For The Man Who Has Everything is still iconic.
>>153283795He's a lowercase 'god' of evil. And being a god in both DC and Marvel basically means jackshit, it's just a title they slap on to groups of characters.
>>153281773>>153281816African Warlord vs Big Nathan type difference so to speak.
>>153281773OG Mongul was actually a powerhouse and thread unlike OG Darkseid.>>153283795>Darkseid is an actual God of Evil.That a modern Morrison retcon.
>>153284719OH Darkseid easily defeated infinite man, but he wasn't a brute like modern incarnation
>>153281865It's poetic, in a sense. Bad poetry, but still: all the knockoffs were created because Darkseid was originally a very different kind of character, and so characters like Thanos were able to be a spin on him and then Mongul was able to be a spin on Thanos, all serving different narrative and conflict purposes. Then Darkseid just changed to be the big bad super boss monster that embodies all these things, so finally making it so that truly: Darkseid is.
>>153281773Mongul is an unironically better character and villain then Darkseid
>>153284543>>153283962Must be the creator further ripping off Star Wars. Warworld is just the Death Star and the alien being weirdly either Asian in some way of looks, name, or personality/culture. Star Wars really is like subliminal messaging towards western people towards accepting more Asian ideas. Kinda based but also kinda cringe considering there are those types that are hypocritical towards other people who like different Asian stuff.
>>153286414Anon... new gods are nearly a decade older than star wars, asiatic enemies are a staple since Buck Rogers.
Isn't Mongul's whole gimmick the love of the game, competition and combat like a space Caesar? His most famous weapon besides the black mercy is War World, which we haven't seen in a good while
>>153284719>>153282393what was OG Darkseid's deal?
>>153281773His original DCCP appearances by Starlin were pretty good.
>>153286748Space Richard Nixon
>>153286748He was Richard Nixon
>>153286831>>153286840what the fuck?
>>153285265There was also nonstop power creep escalation among the knockoffs for a long time too. Each new knockoff had to be more powerful than the guy they were copying.
>>153287225>According to writer Mark Evanier, who wrote Kirby's biography titled Kirby: King of Comics, he based Darkseid appearance on Jack Palance and his personality on Adolf Hilter, adding:>"...the style and substance of this master antagonist were based on just about every power-mad tyrant Kirby had ever met or observed, with a special emphasis on Richard Milhous Nixon."
>>153286414>>153286461They go back to the pulp era and the whole Mysterious East when Doc Savage and The Shadow kept having to deal with random guys from vague nowhere Asia with mystical magical powers orAsia was just thought of as a wacky timeless place filled with medieval styled feudal lords, peasants, mysticism, sword-wielding warriors, and dangerous fantastical animals back in the early 20th century. Ming the Merciless in Flash Gordon was based on all of that crap and made into a scifi version of the same concept. In a lot of ways that mindset never really went away until almost the 1990s. People just plain thought of Asia as the land that time forgot with rice farmers and ninjas.
>>153287393Yellow Peril villains go back further than that, at least to Fu Manchu.
>>153286215My only really exposure to either character is the DCAU from when I was a kid and I always thought Mongul was cooler. Good balance of tyrant and hands on threat who could kick ass. Darkseid takes himself too seriously and comes across as hokey to me, even when I was a kid.
>>153287344okay but how was that actually expressed in early darkseid stories?
>>153287393Something that is often lost on modern audiences is that a lot of the tropes out of Asia at the time weren't necessarily incorrect on a base level because huge swaths of Asia lacked development. You really did have medieval-esque feudal warlords with peasants and sword-wielding warriors. Tibet was a straight up medieval feudal society until conquered by China in 1951. Hell, the time period Yellow Peril was codified overlapped the industrialization of Eastern Europe. The modern world as we know it is less than 100 years old. >>153287547Fu Manchu is from 1912.
>>153287547....that was IN the pulp era retard.
>>153282916Any like... Variants in Image, Boom, Dark Horse or Ninja Turtles or some shit?
>>153288739Pretentious ass lifting his pinkie like that.
>>153288662Just by being an imperious manipulative dickhead. But it's funnier to say he's Nixon. To be clear, Darkseid wasn't caught on tape orchestrating hotel burglaries or prolonging the Space Vietnam conflict or anything.
>>153288771He only has three fingers
>>153288771Seethe
Was he originally bigger and bulkier than Darkseid or it’s just a DCAU thing?
>>153281773I like how Mongul was just straight up stronger than Superman. Really made him feel like a unique threat
>>153286461Mongul isn't part of New Gods. I was just tying the late 70's/80's love/hate relationship towards Asians to Mongul and Star Wars. Star Wars clearly had many elements in plot/themes and aesthetics tied to Asian stuff. Asiatic enemies are not new, I know that. I meant Mongul specifically having a name like that is just Len and Wolfman being a bit....I dunno really. Uncreative? I dunno. Maybe just on the nose is a better phrase to use. And it being around the time of Star Wars just kinda made me think Asian inspired characters were getting big again throughout the 80s. >>153282916Who's all the way to the left?>>153287393Ok I get all that, I just wanted to poke fun at Mongul being a character that is still used from time to time today and it's funny.>>153288662>>153288777Weren't some of those early stories him working with Bruno Mannheim and intergang to just brainwash and hypnotize people? I need to do a read through of Kirby's work but I just know the beats of his life and some scattered details. Might do that alongside Shooter's LOSH so I get a better picture of all the interesting stuff going on with Superman.
>>153288882Yeah, Intergang was more than a generic crime syndicate in the past. They were Darkseid's human agents distributing New God tech to cause chaos on Earth and pave the way for an eventual invasion.
>>153281773Mongul is better than Darkseid because he's actually usable.
>>153288917What's the distinguishing factor? Sounds like mooks who just happen to worship Darkseid? Are they like willing to blow themselves up like cultists and do they have any other stuff about them? I did like Bruno and Darkseid in TAS. >>153288926Yes in that sense. But I get the feeling that when Darkseid is given time to aura farm and then when he fights, he is treated as a god and is given the best lines. I mean like Dr. Doom level lines obviously where they both are at the height of arrogance and yet still don't descend into raving lunacy, showing some calculation to their moves and words.
>>153288728A full 20 years before before the debut of the Shadow and Doc Savage.
>>153281773Or a Superman exclusive villain.
>>153288777>prolonging the Space Vietnam conflict or anything.I am pretty sure that was Metron
>>153288837Yes, Darkseid originally wasn't that big, he was Orion sized.
>>153281773Marrying Wonder Woman villains apparently
>>153289719He even wore jammies, good thing he had a rock skin
>>153289886That was he larping as a member of not!scientology.
>>153289886Imagine how mylar space clothes must rustle. Mongul isn't the kind of guy with a specialist team of grief engineers optimizing his uniforms to crinkle to maximize subtle irritation in the widest range of sapients, Darkseid might.
>>153289719He sure was talkative back in the days.
>>153290307yes, but it's entertaining talk! Like, I don't mind a comic with excessive dialog as long as it holds my interest, and villains like Darkseid or Dr. Doom are superb shit-talkers
>>153289041Intergang was in it for profit not worship of Darkseid. Not sure if that changed, they've been irrelevant for a long time.
>>153290728They were wasted in the black adam movie
>>153290728Nta but I think the last time Intergang was relevant was right up before Final Crisis, in which you were right in the sense they were NOMINALLY about profit, and you were wrong in the sense that Darkseid pushing forward his vague plans leading up to Final Crisis led to the then-boss being corrupted by the Crime Bible into a herald of Darkseid and the Religion of Crime experiencing a massive revival and orienting Intergang around worshipping Darkseid and some crazy shit happened like a bunch of mad scientists being commissioned to build the legendary four horsemen of Apokolips as a result of the Apokolitan-criminal complex. Then the universe ended to make way for the New 52, and as far as anyone can tell Intergang basically perished with it after throwing their lot in with Darkseid. And now Darkseid is the giga-ultra-cosmic-demiurge while the Crime Bible is a footnote in a Rebirth series that statistically nobody read.
>>153290728>>153291030I watched some clips again and yeah they are mostly mooks who have New God tech. But the idea of a set of normal 1930's/1940's DC goons/mooks/thugs slowly growing more fanatical and subservient to Darkseid does seem a bit cool. Like some will always be normal thugs who will fall in line when scared but still act dumb and think they are better than Darkseid and will never worship him truthfully. And then there others who become fanatical and care more about dominating others like Darkseid dominated them.
>>153291030Blame Greg Rucka, who absolutely refuses to drop 20 year old plotlines that no one cares about or have already moved past.
What is the best use of Warworld? Could it serve as a good setting and in a way that is different from the Death Star or Battleworld? Would making it a place for a tournament be alright? Obviously not now, so soon after DC KO. Or would a parody where Ambush Bug, Gnort, and Guy Gardner flying in spaceships and doing a parody of Star Wars work?Also during the 90's when he was associated with Cyborg Superman and all the shit that went down, is he best left as a Justice League villain, a Superman villain, a GL villain like Despero, or as other anons have said, all of the above as a versatile one that can be used for the sake of just having an enemy to fight?
>>153283923This.Mongul just works in so many more situations than Darkseid can especially since DC turned him in the ultimate big bad for their universe.
>>153292102Is it weird to say that Mongul is like 90's Thanos? Like they ripped each other off again?
>>153281773This is such a stupid post, lol. I can't believe it gets repeated so often.
>>153281773his green lantern crops issues are kino.
