previously: >>153311310
>jizo statues: 235
>>153324935>DOUBLE KILL
>>153324965This better not be another goddamned bible.
>>153325025you mean a kamidamned bible
>>153325025>>153325015Oh goddamnit it absolutely is.
>>153325022Does Ishida have a theme? I nominate:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0XRXaxTWM&pp=ygUScG9saWNlIHNxdWFkIGludHJv
>>153325025Dr. Weird: This time, shall be different! MWAHAHAHAHAAAA!
>>153325025The first one wasn't a Bible I'm pretty sure, it was a crucifix on a wooden backing.
>>153325078Oh.....well in that case, I am still hungry.
>>153325056I had settled on https://youtu.be/wVkyy04CkTk, but that one might be a good alternative
>>153325056https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be_Pj05MExA&list=RDF8HgoZboml4
>>153324898Tokugawa crest instance #4. It's interesting that Stan seems to have decided to start showing it at a relatively late point in the series.
>>153325033For another spin on Fumi-e trampling, consult the USO scene from the movie '1941' where they dance on caricatures of Hitler, Hirohito, and Mussolini.
>>153325172RESPECT THE JITTE!
>>153325153The Eta are eating well in that town.I'm not implying that they would literally eat the corpses, I mean that they are getting paid for their work and they got tons of work.It's not like they are some filthy mountain village people.
that's certainly one opinion, ishida.
>>153325230Beat his ass, Usagi!
>>153324971>net the last time>fabric this timeTruly, a samurai's greatest weakness
>>153325230>Usagi places a gold ryo on the table>The Informanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ORuFBPthWQTruly the informant is SSS tier!
>>153325295>Don't ask how, don't ask when.>Merchant, Please!
>>153325341Is it wrong that I want the Snitch to be found drunk, dead in a ditch?
>>153325404How could you hate this honest little reprobate?
>>153325404he's just doing what he can to get by, anon!
>>153325172Is there some reason they can't take this guy to view the corpse?
>>153325478>>153325471>I don't want no more trouble like on the east side, Ishida! That's my policy!>Well when a drunk ronin attacks a women with the intent to rape, I Jitte the bastard. That's MY policy. >Intent? How do you figure?>Well, when he's waving a sword with a raging hard on, I don't think he's preaching the word of Buddha.
>>153325230Are these the first of the accursed p*ne*pples?
>>153324959>Snitch's other cousin-in-law
>>153325575https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbKzRXebSC0
>>153325025not just any bible, though...
>>153325471Chief Inspector Ito was so shocked he turned into a Steven Universe character
>>153325797It's the Fugu Fryer!
>>153325741>>153325748>>153325103Dr. Weird: It's not different at all! Is it Steve? AAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
>>153325563>That was a Kurosawa In the Park adaptation of 'Rashomon', you moron.>You killed three actors! GOOD ones!
>>153325691Ok, I call bullshit. There's no fucking way anyone other than Nii put that shit up Usagi's sleeve, but Nii is obviously shorter than Negumi, so what gives? Accomplice?
>>153325760Nezumi isn't Ishida's wife.
>>153324836>dat neo-classical statueshit's about to get real i take it?
>>153325653>>153325660The standard reaction to the start of a Uasgi Yojimbo thread.
>>153325677This girl's a Kirishitan, isn't she?
I love this exchange.
r.i.p. Mister Kin
>>153325876Nah... She's too tall.
>>153325852>Toto-San's place is so good, EVERYONE goes there. Even enemies.
>FLOO!: 31
>>153325933>We found the Bible.....THE BIBLE BLACK!!!
>>153325971>Cops vs. Feds
>>153325025>t. Tokugawa Hidetada
>>153326024Finally another rabbit
>>153325036>oblivionthat's actually bullshit, but Buddhist metaphysics are so filled with vague-posting that I'm genuinely not sure if lay-men would think that or not.
>>153326067"No really, you can't, the book says so"
!!!
I really like how this story completely reframes Ishida's whole character. one hell of a sendoff for him and the (first) dark horse run.
>>153326119Pure Land Sect basically says it would be easier and nicer to achieve Nirvana when you already live in a heavenly realm. So aim for that first.
>>153326143>>153326148This is nice and all, but if I recall correctly we have actual historical documents from the Portuguese outlining that they really did intend to take over Japan as a colony using Christianity to sow foment towards the Shogunate government.
>>153326110>I know a meddler when I see one!
>>153325068Is "filthy" really an insult to ronin if Ishida literally just determined the victims' clothes are too clean for ronin?
>>153325056while we're pulling from Ace Attorney I thought this could also work, the character even looks like Ishida a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFtdYqVpl4
>>153325196He got so mad he lost his ears for a moment.
>>153326216yeah, the portuguese and spanish really did use christianity in their colonization efforts, even when that went contrary to the wishes of their own priests like in the case of some jesuit missions in south america. as brutal as the persecution was in japan, the shogunate's fears did have a solid foundation. they needed only to see what the spanish achieved in mexico or the philippines where the church played a pivotal role, for good and bad. that said, the portuguese plan to conquer japan (and the spanish plan to conquer china) were just as insane then as they are now and as far as I know, they didn't take it so seriously.
>>153325282holy shit, this is the westaboo holy grailI like this guy
>>153326136AAAAAAMEEEEN!
>>153326264I like it.
>>153324942Oh, the arrow is escaping the panel. I feel like we haven't seen Stan do that in a while.
that is it for today, thank you for reading. tomorrow we start the IDW color run.
>>153326394Many thanks. Forgot how good this story was
>>153326347>When you roll a nat 1 on a perception check
>>153326394Thanks for another great storytime, Murder.>>153326388Man, Stan had this one in the backburner for a while, huh?>>153326035Thanks for the idea!
>>153326394Thanks for the storytime, Murder>tomorrow we start the IDW color run.Oh, no
>>153325575Is the Rat signal!
>>153326325>>153325282He really is the biggest westaboo in Japan, after Oda Nobunaga.
>>153325275
>>153325051>>153325063It's weird when Stan just refuses to fill in Nii's spot. He looks like he has a permanent Marty Feldman eye.
>>153325673Ant-eater spotted
>>153326485I think species counter anon gave up already a week ago.
>>153325211can anyone remind me exactly who the foreigner Usagi is referencing in the last panel is?
>>153326525can't believe you already forgot rodriguez-san
>>153325406>THEY'RE>ONLY>A>TRIO...so this is how it feels to be on the other end of this.
>>153325741Say Ishida, how would you know those words are from the Bible?
>>153324853Oh wow are we already. My how time flies
>>153324883>Hurry! Come on! Come on!Jesus Chris, calm down.
>>153325321Honestly I really enjoy this extended interlude as Ishidas Watson. It's a pretty good fit for Usagi
>>153324949The urge to shoot people in their mon must be unbearable
There's always some bullshit going on in Ishida's village.
on the topic of christian-japanese syncretism, I have an interesting pic to share. this is a family shrine I asked if I could take a photo of while staying at a friend's house earlier this year. the food was left as an offering.
>>153326658Doesn't he live in Edo?
>>153325512Oh my God look at that guy carrying a little barrel!That's adorable
>>153326665>coke and some kind of doughnutgeez, seems pretty high-calorie for a lady trying to lose her pregnancy weight.
>>153326702I think we estimated it to be Nagasaki.
>>153326067Our? I never noticed that
>>153325140I think it's more that we're getting more into the Shogun's direct influence on things, rather than before where it tended to be through the lower level politicking and "cold war" between his supporters and potential usurpers.
>>153326770Can't be. The westaboo said it was a three weeks trip to reach and return from Nagasaki with his filthy Portuguese goods so he's a fair bit north of it.
>>153326769it's coffee and a cake we had brought.
>>153325036
>>153325275jitte respect yadda yadda
>>153324935Horses are expensive you know.
>>153325282When was hot glue invented?
>>153326886The instant Usagi and Ishida left the room
Book 34440 Usagi (15274 total)832 Panels (31404 total)No Neko Ninja (1191 total)No Komori (203 total)No Mogura (37 total)No Ninjas of the Dark Light (4 total)1 Zō Ninja (1 total)
>>153324959Imagine how shitty your city must be that some burglar steals your body rifgt after you fall in the ground.
>>153325399https://youtu.be/lHpHxLZReiI?si=p3WxdLoPHWyUv7L2
>>153326525Rodriguez the guy who bullshitted his way into making a Tea Master commit seppuku
>>153325715Nezumi looks so happy. >>153325868I would call BS if it is actually Nezumi because Stan is being pretty conspicuous with showing the patch over Nii's eye and Nezumi has a very clear bar where you can see he doesn't have them. My bet is on collaborator if anything.
>>153326665I always did wonder what happens to these offerings. do they just leave it out there forever until it starts to rot? does someone discreetly eat it at night?
>>153325778USAGI. HE HATES CHRISTIANS MORE THAN HE HATES THIEVES (that aren't the ones he knows personally)
>>153324922>>153326067Reminded of how the doctor's daughter acted in Usagi's first, unknowing, encounter with the Kirishitans. There's a pretty consistent theme, perhaps simply due to the nature of their persecution at the time, of self sacrifice and martyrdom among the Christian side characters that pop up.Of course, this also reflects on its consistent appearance in general in these samurai stories.
>>153327058Spots can be covered with make up
>>153325971>I arrest you!>NO I ARREST YOU!
>>153326003He even stole the pineapple on his way out!
>>153325868Nii* is actually Two* midgets in a trench coat
>>153326136>>153326143This is honestly probably the best twist reveal in the series. I don't know how far Stan planned it but it really does just work perfectly with his established character
>>153325367thump sequence is pretty cool
>>153326417Ground zero for EOP futa-fags, probably.
>>153326347I miss Tomoe
>>153326067>>153326136So wait I don't get it. Did Ishida grab the book in this tussle? I can't imagine Hama willingly running into the inferno without actually confirming he has it on hand or the entire thing was a suicide plot planned from well before the house went ablaze. I actually like this whole idea I guess it just feels like a little plot no jutsu to justify this. If it was just presenting the Bible page as a sort of relic would be one thing but the whole ass book?
>>153326846I’m laughing like a fucking idiot at this image, my sense of humor is ruined beyond repair
>>153327311Hama pushed the book onto Ishida and ran into the blaze. Hama knew who Ishida was and sacrificed himself.
>>153325835>>153325563>Both Dirty Harry & Naked GunFucking amazing.
>>153327331It's an old bit
>>153325007>they see your honor
>>153325552>adopts Kotaro>but not the hatomoto's daughter from last thread>even though he was a family friendIts a really weird decision that irks me for some reason
>>153327455>mfw
>>153327537
>>153324959Comin' right out of the woodworks.
>>153327528Not every justice obsessed man feels the pathological urge to collect every orphan they see, you know
>>153327301Me too.
>>153327528Small Bean probably had other family to go to.
>>153327648By the way, did we count that as an additional orphan?
>>153325705So Nezumi is probably in these panels >>153325673>>153325677
>>153326143>>153326136This is his final appearance? That’s not good especially if my history follows through Christians are fully banned following accusations of Portuguese enslavement of Japanese people
>>153327892We move onto the IDW era after this.
>>153327147How do you explain the nose? The one time we see Nezumi's, it's a small crescent, while Nii has a big round one. Haruko physically matches Nezumi, and she also was one of five named characters with access to Usagi's clothing. Of those, it obviously can't be Usagi, Ishida or Kotaro. That leaves either her or Nii. Nezumi doesn't have Nii's eye ring or nose. It's either Haruko or Nezumi is just Nezumi and not anybody shown so far.
>>153326110Love this bit the Chief Inspector and Ishida are having in the top right panel>Ito: I want this case closed!>Ishida (who also wants this case closed for his own reasons): muh justice>Ito: (taking the bait) STFU and close this case!>Ishida (instantly folding): okAlso, my alternate headcanon character interpretation of Chief Inspector Ito is that he secretly approves of Ishida's sense of justice and his methods, but his position as chief inspector means he can't openly endorse Ishida's actions, so he purposefully plays the part of the greedy, corruptible official more interested in saving face than doing his job. This gives Ishida plausible deniability to work the beat while Ito can report to their superiors that he is indeed reprimanding his rogue employee.
>>153328090>How do you explain the nose?It's a silly funny anime comic that uses cartoony simplified designs you're not supposed to scrutinize to this extent.
It's interesting how similar visually Ishida is to the uberglowie. Was Stan trying to say something here?
>>153326388WHAT??? This was in the original Saga book??
I'm reading the special edition set I got recently and getting a real brainfuck seeing Calvin and Hobboes in "The tower", I don't remember that from the storytimes
>>153328267>mucho eyebrow=mucho honorthat's it really.
>>153327259No wonder the shogunate wanted it destroyed.
With the big reveal of The Hidden out of the way all major spoilers have been storytimed and accounted for so it should be safe to whip out the trusty old Super Official And Legitimato Power Rankings Chart right?
>>153328390They were there, you probably just didn't notice them.
>>153327259based steve and tony
>>153328447Oh no I definitely just didn't notice them the first time. I wonder what Bill Watterson thought of the cameo.
>>153325545>Usagi's one himbo braincell once again working furiously past its overclocked limiters trying to piece together that round peg into the circular hole (and failing)
>>153324861>Usagi riding a dinosaur mountI see Stan is redpilled on the hyperwar.
>>153326801>>153326770>>153326702Its wherever the Yamahashi clan is, which is close to Geishu lands and the lord from Dragon Bellows conspiracy, which isnt far from Nagasaki
>>153327648I mean this isnt any orphan, the father straight up tells her to go to Ishida iirc>>153327658yeah probably
>>153328267both are shogun goons, maybe theyre related and from some family of retainers directly under the shoguns clan?
>>153326003At least Kin's assistant made it.
>>153328419There are at least 2 major spoilers in that picture.
>>153328693What? The goblin and cousin oliver? I mean those barely count as spoilers. They just announce their presence in stories we haven't gotten to yet, there's no plot details revealed about them besides their existence.
>>153328693I counted 4, but I guess "crossovers" and "more bats" aren't much in the way of spoilers.I mean, my first introduction to Usagi was the 2003 Turtles cartoon. Usagi still sounds like Jason Griffith in my head sometimes
>>153327716I FIGURED IT OUT BROS
>>153326202>>153326292>all these kino back covers, including a run of red-ink ones featuring the main charactersSo by the time The Hidden's story arc began, Stan had already accepted the offer to leave Dark Horse and go to IDW, is what I'm getting?
>>153326417>>153328356Seems like Stan has a number of ideas that stay on the backburner for a long time. A man can only work so fast.
>>153326383>even in the chibiverse ROCKS are OP
>>153326417Man, I remember the days when BB was a huge site phenomena
>>153325914Cant argue with those eyebrows
>>153328419Where's the guy who beat Usagi yesterday?
>>153326308>We will *checks notes* conquer the coast of China outright through military force, marry into the imperial family, take more land through a series of inheritances while slowly convert the native population to Catholicism by first converting the gentry and making sure it trickles down to the commoners>Then after we have fully subsumed the entire Qing Empire, warred our way across the Central Asian steppe, we will link up with our cousins in Austria and finally take down the real prize: the OttomansRodriguez-san....
>>153324985An accomplice?At this time of night, in this part of the city, localized entirely in this specific alley waiting for his death?
>>153327311>If it was just presenting the Bible page as a sort of relic would be one thing but the whole ass book?I have no idea what you mean.
>>153326128The dango and fishes
You can tell Stan really liked that statue because it has nothing to do with the story
>>153328761>Usagi still sounds like Jason Griffith in my head sometimesHe and Gen have their 4Kids VAs as their defaults in my head for better or worse. Hikiji has the Shredder's voice too.
>>153329150That would be the way to go if Usagi had actually gotten a full spin off from 03 turtles, although maybe they should have just stuck to Hebi being the main villain, doing evil giant snake things and leading his ninja armies to subvert the shogun.
>>153326951A thief behind every barrel!
>>153326136>>153326128Don't worry Ishida, just remember John 3:16 and Austin 3:16
>>153326308>>153329020Cortez ruined several successive generations of Iberians.
>>153329177It would be the perfect back door pilot too. IIRC even Chizu showed up in one of the episodes as a non-speaking cameo with the rest of the Nekos gunning for Lord Noriyuki.
>>153329182They crashed the gold market!
>>153329201She spoke, gave out some basic orders regarding shooting intimidating arrows. Not exactly into her own as backup Best Girl but hey.Who would voice Kitsune and Ishida?
>>153329238Chizu spoke? I could have sworn otherwise, then again I haven't seen those episodes since I was a kid. >>153329238Ishida, I can see the guy who played Honeycutt getting it. Maybe Dan Green?
>>153329268What would be your top 3 arcs to adapt, keeping in mind that this was 4kids.I think Grasscutter might be a bridge too far, given how deeply steeped in shinto and japanese mythology it is, but Dragon Bellow, Mother of Mountains and A Town Called Heck are my first thoughts.
>>153329121It may be a yet another comment on how Western art was more advanced than Japanese back then. Or he just wanted to draw a cute girl in a different outfit than usual and he finally had an excuse.
>>153325512>the boxy sign says PAINAPPURU
Sakai take on the "the detective is the culprit" twist, although he doesn't actually do anything wrong, plus he gets away with it.
>>153325575Enter! NII-ZUMI
>>153325025>anotherThere was one before this? I didn't see a bible, just a crucifix
>>153329020to be fair, it worked in mexico and peru...
>>153328419>Inazumas de InazumaI concur, they are top tier.
>>153328776Wtf is that?
>>153329575An aardvark
>>153325082>Justice must apply to everyone or it is meaningless!>Unless it's your friend Kitsune, we have to let her walklol.
>>153326388When are we getti g Usagi and Gen vs the Dinosaurs Stan?
>>153327750Wow!
>>153329295I feel like Homecoming would be a good pilot for the series if it were animated. But then they would have to do Circles and Travels With Jotaro, and I have no idea on how 4Kids would handle the fact that Usagi has a Child Out Of Wedlock. Then again has 4Kids ever dealt with that? I'm assuming no but it's been a while since I have seen TMNT 2K3. Shi would be a very interesting story for them to adapt. The Chrysanthemum Pass would also be cool as well.>>153329238As for who would voice who... this is much of a brain teaser as "Who would 4Kids use to Voice Act My Hero Academia characters?">Jason Griffith as Miyamoto Usagi>Eric Stuart as Murakami Gennosuke>Rachael Lilies as Tomoe Ame>Rebecca Honig as Noriyuki>Mike Pollock as Ishida>Dan Green as Katsuichi>Amy Palant as Jotaro>Kerri Williams as KitsuneThat's just the top of my head.
>>153329705Fuck I forgot Jei!Fuck it! I'm making a correction.>Ted Lewis as Inspector Ishida>Mike Pollock as Katsuichi>Dan Green as Jei
>>153329585I mean his early appearances had him implicitly let Usagi off the hook for murder because the victim was a shitbag, letting Kitsune go because she helped with the investigation isn't that far-fetched
>>153326388>Professor WherewhenHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!>>153329705I can actually see them doing Grasscutter, albiet toned down with the Shinto angle if they lean it to making it more of an Excalibur stand in. Not exactly the best set up, but it's doable. As for the tone, 2003 TMNT got away with a lot more than a typical 4kids production I feel like they at least be on par with its tone.
>>153329847Didn't they do an episode with Baxter Stockman that got banned from TV.
More fanart from my good buddy Vlad
>>153327311>Did Ishida grab the book in this tussle?You can see him palm it in panel 3-4. He reaches down to Hama's left hand shown holding the Bible in the first panels with his own right hand in panel 3, then when Hama punches him in panel 4, you can see the book behind Hama's extended arm. This trick wouldn't work as well in color.
>>153329866We actually couldn't decide on exactly what Ikeda was, so cat ears on a dude
>>153329705>>153329795>>Sonic The Hedgehog as Miyamoto Usagi>>Seto Kaiba as Murakami Gennosuke>>Misty as Tomoe Ame>>Cream The Rabbit as Noriyuki>>Miles "Tails" Prower as Jotaro>>Nami as Kitsune>>King Dedede as Inspector Ishida>>Dr Eggman as Katsuichi>>Yami Yugi as JeiStrange choices but okay.
>>153325282>Caverabbit fighting a dinosaur>A stuffed Hermy>A fucking pterodactylStan just wanted to draw some cool stuff here. And I don't blame him, lol
>>153329857Yup, Insane in the Membrane. Basically, Stockman uses Bishop's resources to clone himself a new body but it degenerates quickly and he as a mental breakdown with glimpses into his relationship with his mother. There was a Lovecraft-esque episode too that ended with a cursed guy rapidly aging into a skeleton.
>>153329946Look we're working with the 4kids roster of actors, we might be able to sneak in Sean Schemmel, Michael Sinterniklaas, and maybe Susan Blu if we're lucky
>>153325350>Okay, let's murder this cop, but we'll be sneaky and put the blame on somebody elseIs this the first dishonorable guy with mighty eyebrows we've seen?
>>153329575What do you mean, that's the peasant Rouis Mashengo
>>153328638Her dad tells her to go to Ishida because she has the confession and Ishida is someone with the means and mentality to actually bring people to justice, I don't think he intended for Ishida to adopt her. >>153327750Another fine addition to the collection>>153329817She also didn't steal anything that particular time. He clocked her as a thief but the worst thing she did that he had evidence of was trespass.
>>153329888That's a very long Ikeda
>>153329866I like the taxonomical accurate ears.
>>153324836The hidden is my favorite arc overall, really love the whole theming about how something so innocuous as a book in a specific language is a huge fucking deal and the twist/reveal is very cool
>>153330087He's a tall guy, especially by Feudal standards. Very inspiring.>>153330096My man insists that his furries are authentic animal-people and you gotta love him for that
>>153330146It's an interesting BIG story that's also really compact and personal. There's no big wars. No exploding mountains and massive battles. Just a really interesting mystery that escalates
>>153327147On skin, sure. Nii has fur.
>>153330024I mean they got a hold of Guts' VA Marc Diraison somehow.
>>153327233Yeah, his strong sense of egalitarian justice really sets him apart and makes him the best option to be a secret christianpart of me really wants an small arc or something where usagi finds out and ishida reveals how he converted
>>153330246It would be interesting but honestly I think if this were the last we were to ever see of Ishida it would be a really solid send off. I'm not sure where we can really go form here. Well I have a few ideas but they all end badly and I'd rather not.
>>153327750nice
>>153325741>John 3:16AUSTIN 3:16, SON!! WHEN YOU HEAR THAT GLASS, IT IS YOUR ASS!!!
>>153325733I'm an atheist, but I guess I got enough Catholic upbringing in me that I always cringe a bit at this moment, the notion that they tore off a page of the Bible.>>153327311Ishida knew the murdered samurai and Hama from the beginning. It's why he kept letting Hama get away, it's why he was conveniently waking up early enough to get to work that he could get by before the anti-Kirishitan gates opened every day, it's presumably why he dropped the note about where they were going so Hama could read it and follow them (I admit that one I can't quite understand, but the way it's written definitely makes it feel like it's intentional. Ishida seems genuinely surprised at the existence of a vulgate Japanese Bible, but maybe he knew all along that's what the samurai were bringing over, so he knew that's what Oda had, so he was hoping Oda had the full thing and Hama could take it already?). During that confrontation, Hama specifically calls Christianity "our religion" and "our teachings" when talking to Ishida, and you can see on Panel 3 Ishida reaching for the book and in Panel 4 Ishida grasping "something" under his robes in his chest. In the moment, they just quickly understood Hama had to sacrifice himself to get the scent out of them while Ishida saved the book.
>>153327750>>153330079Getting real Tyris Flare vibes
>>153326388Don't we have a side mention of Wherewhen even earlier than this? Stan really seems to have had this idea for decades. I wonder what the idea actually was though- the final Wherewhen is a time-travelling TMNT villain, what was the idea here? Maybe a character from Space Usagi? It's worth noting he seems human in this drawing, another very old concept from the time of "Humans are invading the furry world" that gave us Hikiji? Or was he always intended as a "break glass in case of TMNT crossover" character, like Kakera?
>>153326136Anyone else feels that bible is framed like a gun?
>>153330387I think Ishida genuinely didn't know what matsudaira was bringing back, or even who he was. otherwise, why ask if he was a christian >>153325196, and act so shyly? a better explanation would be that ishida's community operates on a need-to-know basis and only knew someone was going to bring something to them. matsudaira probably wasn't even suppose to come back, something definitely went wrong before the start of the story which made him be pursued by the agents. >>153329182lmao one book I have on my to-read list is When Montezuma Met Cortés by Matthew Restall, I heard good things about it. >>153327099I didn't ask, so I don't know, but I doubt they'd leave it to rot.
>>153330279There's also the reference to Sakana Shogun at the end of WhereWhen, so maybe all the Krishitans really did escape through a time portal to the future.
>>153330623>otherwise, why ask if he was a christianHe's keeping up the public image of not being a Christian. He's not supposed to know who this samurai is and who is or isn't a Christian, so he's asking these questions, for the sake of everyone else's POV and especially Usagi's. Same reason why he goes to work early to avoid the gates where he has to step on the cross but disguises it as "oh there's so much paperwork, I just gotta be there very early". The final page has him directly mention and update the other Christians on what happened to Matsudaira and Kubo, so it really seems to me that you're meant to understand they all knew each other as the same local group of hidden Christians. My only doubt is whether Ishida knew of the Bible being smuggled in or not.forgot to mention also, because it seems so obvious, but I know some readers might not have noticed- their meeting place being Sakana Shogun, the existence of Sakana Shogun at all, was always a clear secret Christian group- "Lord of Fish", etc. Maybe not as common a Christian title as you'd expect nowadays ("Shepherd of Lambs" would be more obvious), but early Christianity used fish as a secret identification symbol since there's a lot of Bible imagery about Jesus being the fisherman who catches His people, who are the fish, etc.
Welcome back to the death rattle tally! No new scream types found for today, hooray! See attachment for total cry so far. As always, if you have any questions about the count, feel free to ask.
>>153330387>>153330720NAYRT, but I think you're right about this, and that Ishida had no idea about the Bible, or even about Matsudaira bringing anything back. His shock seems authentic and nobody seems to have expected it. It also doesn't seem like the translation project can have been done by local Japanese people.Rather, I should guess that a relevant Jesuit or something knew that Matsudaira was a kake kirishitan, gave him a copy of their new translated Bible (I doubt this is the only one), and the shogunate caught wind somehow and sent the agents. I don't think it's an accident that the Bible is bound like a western book; I think this was created by the Portuguese as a missionary tool/subversion instrument. That also makes it more reasonable that the shogunate would find out about its existence.
>>153330720>Sakana ShogunThe guy who receives the crucifix earlier is called Hirata the Fishmonger as well.
>>153330720ooh i didn't catch the fish connection though i knew the whole fish symbol origin thinghama is also introduced as a carpenter too
>>153330720>so it really seems to me that you're meant to understand they all knew each other as the same local group of hidden ChristiansIt could be that he knew someone from clan Ogawa was meant to be passing through with something very important to the Hidden Christians, but he didn't necessarily know the name of that person until his investigation and his audience with the counselor. Ishida blatantly asking the counselor if his subordinate was a Christian is a little too bold, even for Ishida, but as you say, it's a necessity for the audience.
>>153329888My boy got legs for days.
>>153330720>for the sake of everyone else's POV and especially Usagi's. I disagree, if he kept quiet and usagi questioned it he could very rightly explain that bringing that topic up would only get the lord angry and they already could deduce he was a christian. going out of his way to ask if matsudaira was one and risking a complain getting to the chief inspector is proof to me that he really didn't knew. as to naming the samurai afterwards, it can be explained by that meeting not being the first one, he could've explained who they were previously. or he had incomplete information like >>153330980 puts it. as to the bible, it's a very important symbol and tool for an isolated community that could not have a proper priest overseeing it, and so would make do with a native leader like ishida. that is what happened irl, I believe. not to mention that as >>153330907 puts it, one key technique of the jesuits was to learn and translate their teachings into new languages.
>>153329888https://youtu.be/6-1Ue0FFrHY
>>153330200Not that I think Nii is Ratman but Stan in his letters/notes for the Sakura story mentioned that he doesn't factor skin vs fur into his consideration when making his funny-animal-ppl characters.
>>153330980It just strikes me that if that was the case, the dialogue'd be something more like "the two samurai killed yesterday, named Matsudaira and Kubo, were our brothers, and they died to bring us this treasure". The fact he directly just namedrops them without context reads to me that he's talking to an audience who'd know their names, just like with Hama, indicating they knew them.>>153331044On the flipside though, he already DID know, even if we assume he didn't know him, that Matsudaira was a Christian by then- he saw the cross on the corpse. I do think it's just Ishida half putting up appearances and half just shaking the tree to see what falls- we've seen before that despite Feudal Japan™, he's not afraid of risking angering those above him for the sake of an investigation. Even if he knew Matsudaira was a Christian, he had to know if that was known to his Clan, and therefore it maybe the Clan had been the one committing the murder.>>153330971Yep. You can also see him in the background in multiple panels before his proper appearance, incidentally.>>153326296Another note, is this the first time we see Stan and Julie signing work as "JuSt Sakai"?>>153327147I always took it as the reverse, for some reason- that if Nezumi is Nii, Nii is putting up a spot as make up, rather than using make up to disguise a spot. I like the theory it's Ishida's wife too, but the dinner sequence in this story makes it very dubious. The writing feels to me is making it really obvious it's Nii, which I do think is an intentional misdirect.
>>153330971>Hama the carpenter/Hirata the fishmonger/Toto who runs the Fish Lord restaurant the secret christians>Papers the paper-dealer>Crackers the rice crackers seller>Oily Jew the oil merchant>Assistant Inspector Nii (number 2)HACKFRAUD Stan does it again!
>>153331123don't forget oyaneko the boss cat
>>153325510Mainly propriety-related ones, I’d imagine; it would be like dragging a state governor down to a forensics lab, except in this case the governor is allowed to have you killed if he thinks you’re being impudent.
>>153331116>he had to know if that was known to his Clan, and therefore it maybe the Clan had been the one committing the murder.That's an intriguing thought, one I hadn't considered before. It's true, too. We the audience know that it's the shogunate themselves that are behind the murder, but for all Ishida knows (at that point), it could be a clan trying to cover up an embarrassing (and illegal!) loose end. But!->The fact he directly just namedrops them without context reads to me that he's talking to an audience who'd know their names-maybe he told them at a prior meeting? I mean that's kind of stretching it, I admit, but it's still plausible. I think Stan just didn't consider the dialogue implications as carefully as we're analyzing it post-mortem.
>>153330492Ye lol
>>153325510>>153331163Also consider that examining a corpse is normal only in our times. I'm sure in the early 17th Century Japan where measles is caused by a yokai it's be super weird for a beat cop to want to look at a decaying body.
>>153331186>-maybe he told them at a prior meeting?I was going to say he was busy the prior night, but now I think about it, we do have the specific moment where he leaves Usagi alone for the night and we just see him walk away- you could assume he heads out for a meeting then. I find it perhaps unlikely- surely two nights in a row would be risky- but the text does offer that possibility, yeah.
>>153331123>>153331148And, you know...Usagi Yojimbo...
>>153331206If his jitte won’t command respect, he’s got a plan b
>>153331206>And lo, Ishida drew his 1911 and busted a cap in Kitsune and the Snitch
>>153331206>ishida when he sees kitsune a third time
>>153331206In case it's useful:
>>153331116>just shaking the tree to see what fallsyeah, that would be in character, and I guess trying to know if the ogawas were the ones responsible for the murder is sensible...as for the dialogue thing, I agree with >>153331186 it could be a second meeting, or it could be stan wording it strangely too. >is this the first time we see Stan and Julie signing work as "JuSt Sakai"?I believe so. there's a story note somehwere where stan explains how he came up with the chibi usagi idea with her. >>153331206THE WAY OF THE GUN
>>153330720>Maybe not as common a Christian title as you'd expect nowadaysI'm not sure the guy in front of me on the drive home would agree
>>153330365In the thumbnail, it looks like he has Godzilla's spinal crest.
>>153331308Autism, sorry, but I really felt the need to do this edit of the edit>>153331376Yeah the use of the fish-alpha symbol is still common enough nowadays (especially in the anglosphere), I mean more the imagery of Jesus himself as the fisherman I feel isn't as common as him as the shepherd
>>153331390oh fuck i see itgodzilla needs to hit a kaiju with the stunner in his next film
>>153331206>THE END
>>153331435Fisher of men was used a lot in the some the sunday school classes I had when I was a kid, usually brought up when our class talked about he recruited Peter.
>>153331206>>153331435Absolute kino. >Shoki this and Buddha that. You want that dark soul quelled let me show you what true deliverance looks like.
>>153329575Nezumi's real identity!
>>153329295>Usagi Yojimbo but with no killingAll the bad guys just run away after Usagi disarms them with his expert swordsmanship.
>>153332133That's just Chibi Usagi.
>>153329946>Gonna clobber Dat Der Nezumi!!>>153326417>Usagi x Bible Black>Tomoe bangs Chizu
>>153330738I'm starting to see a face.
>>153325282>Foreground thicc>Background sticc
>>153325321>An I am down right amazed!>At what I can destroy with just a hammer!
>>153324901Poor guards almost got trampled twice in one day.
>>153324935RIP horse. And guy too, I guess.
>>153331206The sheriff is carring heat.
>>153324971>>153324975Not bad for a street rat.
>>153325015>that crosshttps://youtu.be/_r3PxMfVb38
>>153325033>They worship a criminalWell, you worship Kitsune.
>>153325829>Even Snitch swears by Sakana ShogunHuehuehueh
>>153326003>What's going on in this thr>Oh lawd..
>>153325022Ah yes, the divinity of the emperor. The emperor that we overthrew....Wouldn't wanna disrespect him.
>>153328521>"...obeying your Lord can sometimes... be... DISHONORABLE?">Usagi.exe has stopped responding
>>153326091>You're talking a lotta shit for someone in Katana tossing distance.
>>153325044I find it interesting how the Kiristian hunters have tampered with the body, which is one of the biggest taboos you can commit in Feudal Japan. They're so desperate to snuff out this foreign religion that they're more than willing to trample all over their own in the process.
>>153333222It'd be pretty funny if the Emperor converted as part of an absolutely bugfuck plan to get the Vatican on the Shogun's ass.
>>153330400It's Red Sonia, which Tyris is a pastiche of.
>>153331206>>153331435Ishida is just practicing for his next big role while on set
>>153332555That's what you do best as authorities
>>153329705>Eric Stuart as Murakami GennosukeWait Eric Stuart was Gennosuke at one point? Did he do a good job?
No spoilers, but issue 2 of Kaito is good. And I'm not just saying that because best girl shows up and steals Gen's watch.
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>>153334188Why would Chizu want Gen's watch?
>>153325918Funny you should mention that. This is an old one
>>153326951CAN'T HAVE SHIT IN FEUDAL DETROIT
>>153327528Hatamoto's daughter probably has other relatives who aren't dead being that she's a samurai's daughterKotaro has literally nobody and even if he did lady Maple's last wishes were for him to not live with the burden of the crown
>>153325705Another point against Nii-zumi: Nii tries to accompany Ishida to meet Nezumi, rather than make an excuse as to why he can't.
>>153331206>D'you ever read the Bible, Brett?
>>153333287You can always find people willing to sacrifice principles for practicality. Governments like them because they're useful, so they show up in professions like being a fucking fed
>>153331206In this house we read only the aesthetic gods word!
>>153332555So in this story, was Tomoe's body stolen by Kitsune, the og futa?
>>153326356We counting Jizu statues in these silly things?
>>153334596>Nii tries to accompany Ishida to meet Nezumi, rather than make an excuse as to why he can't.Nii knows Ihida well enough to know he'd have him stay. Offering to go is a classic misdirect. Even if he tagged along all he had to do was make any excuse to separate.
>>153334783>Not going with Jeinizuma. C'mon man.
>>153334596One can argue that he's doing that because he already knows that no matter what he says, Ishida wont let him join them to spare him from the punishment in case someone finds out they're working with a wanted criminal, giving him the perfect excuse not to be there in the process
>>153328223NTA, but Stan is very careful with clues. Look at Ishida palming the book from Hama, it's right there on the page, but subtle enough you might miss it. Stan doesn't cheat, which is why people are actually bothering to look for clues to Nezumi's identity. Point: if Nezumi is Ishida's wife or his #1 assistant, why doesn't Ishida recognize Nezumi's voice?
>>153335218>why doesn't Ishida recognize Nezumi's voice?People are very capable of shifting their voices. Some of them to a degree that might be profitablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZfJhJi1RYE.
>>153325559What is he writing?
>>153335348
>>153335348dickbutt
>>153325112>Usagi:"Kill first, ask questions later!"
>>153333062kek, got me anon
>>153335474You know one of these days he really is gonna run into someone who was just defending themselves
>>153335474He usually shouts his questions in the middle of his killing spree.
>>153326136Remember that the ichthys is associated with Christianity
>>153325956Yes >>153326136
>>153335218>why doesn't Ishida recognize Nezumi's voice?Same reason Usagi didn't recognize Tomoe by voice until she was right in front of him, sound isn't something that can be conveyed in comic medium without using visual cues, like Jei's "voice from the grave" or onomatopoeia, so it can be exploited to keep something a mystery that in another medium would require a workaround or it would become a dead giveaway
>>153336010Hearing somebody shout a short phrase across a battlefield is not the same as sitting down at a table and having a lengthy conversation with them. If Nii is Nezumi he should be trying to avoid extended conversations with his daytime boss.
>>153325282Is that Conan the Bunny-barian?
>>153336338It's THE M E D D L E R
>>153336127Visual cues, the size of that silhouette compared to Usagi doesn't indicate she's across a battlefield, the dialogue of neither of them is using an exclamation mark, so they're not shouting at that distance, and again, you can't convey something like a specific voice in a comic without giving the readers any clue, you can have characters talk every chapter but unless two characters share a specific speech pattern or verbal tic or, fuck it, someone says "gee, isn't funny how ____ and _____ sounds so similar" how they sound is not gonna be a factor to maintain the mystery
>>153327233It both makes total sense in light of his character and also is completely unexpected. I think along with Bridge of Tears the Hidden is my favourite single Usagi story because of it
>>153325471It's really funny how this comic managed to blend basically every buddy cop cliche in the book into a Feudal Japan setting.
>>153325500Oh cool, it's been ages since we last saw Ishida's kid.
>>153325512What is with the pineapple stuff in recent chapters? Is it just an inside joke from Stan?
>>153325545Ishida's a good man.
>>153327528The lack of any sort of resolution to what happened to her is so bizarre because that literally NEVER happens in this book. This series revels in leaving no stone unturned, and will drag back characters up until their death. For her to be treated as such an afterthought only makes that chapter feel unfinished.
>>153325607Ishida being racist against ninjas, baka.
>>153333360it'd probably end with the spics ruining everything for everyone, but the ride there would be absolute kino.
>>153337217possibly related to the westaboo LARP, since pineapples were seen as a sign of decadent wealth back in the lands of the nanban.
>>153325766Usagi's getting real sick of this shit.
>>153328157>Ito: He's a damn Maverick........but he gets results. A shame we don't have officers like him. Maybe I could convince that Ronin to join.......naaah!
>>153325787>I think you're being rash!Oh that's RICH coming from you.
>>153325820This lil bastard always finds a way to make things worse.
>>153325895The audacity to try and pull this shit twice.
>>153325933Why is Ishida staring at that book with Gollum eyes?
>>153325959RIP thief.
>>153325987At least he had great taste in waifu figurines. He would've loved modern Japan.
>>153326003You know what? Good for Kin's assistant.
>>153326014Where the hell is this guy getting all this money?!
>>153326045Goddammit dude NO!
>>153337535I'm glad some of the stuff made it out of the fire. Maybe the *best stuff* if he just took the bag Kin was packing.
>>153326074What the hell, was that book written with gunpowder?
>>153326098Oh. That explains where they got the money from.
>>153326128What.>>153326136WHAT?!?! What a fucking curveball, holy shit that explains so much.
>>153326303>>153326308Lmao, okay this is an amazing way to remake the original first issue.
>>153326344His skin's too thick to pierce this time around.
>>153326347You know, somehow I can imagine regular Tomoe doing this exact thing as well.
>>153326361>>153326372Oh come on Chibi Usagi, I'm sure Chibi Katsuichi has bonked you harder than that.
>>153326383Glad to see Katsuichi is almost exactly the same here.
>>153326394Thanks OP, pretty solid arc all around.
YALL NEED SOME JEISUS IN YOU'R LIVES!
>>153325797Miki is a cutie!
