Or at the very least blandest. It's like they put no thought into it
>>153588787Anon...The whole point of the entire identity was "MJ as a heroine" and cock tease a reunion. Thats it. There was no real thought put into anything about the character.
>>153588787probably not
>>153588787It's fine, maybe a bit generic, but nothing offensive, I've seen worse.The real bad part of this shit were the writing decisions that led up to it and came after.
>>153588819Sure but plain spandex would have been more memorable than this fashion disaster
>>153588860This is so bad that it actually wraps around to being kino.
So if she is an actress, why isn't her gimmick something like Chameleon?
>>153588787When Jen got John's hand-me-downs.
Hakari from JJK did the Jackpot gimmick better. Make him the blueprint if there is a revisit of this gimmick.
>>153588860Man. I can't think of a thread with what I assumed to be an open ended question have such a definitive answer. Thanks for this, it has filled me with mirth and whimsy.
>>153588860You know, for the first panel or even issue I'd chalk it up to a coloring error but no he just had a phase where he dressed like this
>>153588869Exactly.Which is why they went with that.>>153588974Because queers and wierdos would make it gross and creepy. Ever notice how no one does shape changing as a super power anymore? There you go.
>>153588861Nah it's pretty fucking bad. The indecision in color scheme between black and white suit/gold and red as well as the pattern on the legs looks tacky as fuck and does not match the fact that MJ was known for stylish fashion and looks throughout the 80's. It's pretty fucking bad and incongruous with everything else about her. The only good thing is that perhaps a suit and tie look does look good in some cases, and the sunglasses do fit her character. But everything else is godawful.
>>153588787Has mj become the most hated super hero partner in history?
>>153589594Not even remotely.See Terry Long.
>>153589064There was a cover that put Jackpot MJ next to Black Cat at Christ that was a mogging
>>153589623
>>153589623That Adam Hughes cover? If you mean costume design, then yeah, makes sense one is superior considering it was made by some guy who was just hired because he was cheap and Marvel doesn't have any talent now. But Adam Hughe's art has taken a dramatic nosedive in recent years anyway.
At least it looked pretty good from the back
>>153588787Not really? Give it a chest window or something and move around the white to maybe near her legs and it could have helped make the suit pop. But it's fine as is. Not great but fine.
>>153590000Quads of me asking for proof
I'm not a fan of it. But then I felt the same about the Spinneret oufit in RYV, that it felt odd for a model and actress to dress like that, and I just didn't love the colors.
>>153588787the costume is bad but she herself is garbage to the core
>>153588860Woman can never complain about female comic costumes ever again.
>>153589960She looks like a minor gimmick weapon member of a bad guy group. Like she shoots beams out of her wrist weapons.
>>153588860Holy, this is probably the worst one I've ever seen after all these years, damn. Well done.
>>153588787>>153588819>>153590936They've utterly ruined MJ. This attempt to make her a heroine makes things even worse.Why do writers do this man? No one asked for or wanted this.
>>153588860And he was in this for years.YEARS.
>>153589608Don't remember him but yeah guess at least she's not the worst
>>153588787It's bland flavored bland, inoffensive until everything SURROUNDING that costume, coupled with the usually iconic character wearing it, makes it insufferable.>>153591174BND crew do not know how and most don't want to know how to write MJ post OMD, they just don't want her near Peter and whatever nonsense they have cooked up for the castrated Peter Pan they made him.So everyone is written out of characters established for decades, can't tell when someone is possessed or disguised as them when prior even a fucking clone couldn't fool them, and everyones relationships are flighty, fraguke and forgettable. The ultimate bachelor fantasy the Gen X writers want to keep reliving.
>>153591174MJ needs to be her own Woman/character. Why?>feminists think the Marriage and her connection to Peter is mysoginist.>Queers hate the PPxMJ because they het straights. >Al Ewing is a faggot who has talked himself into the position of an adversary convincing himself Flash is the better partner.>Joe Kelly wants to turn peter into the moral center of the Marvel Universe, giving him the Powers of a fucking CAREBEAR(Literally), while simultaniously cooming over Black Cat and some Ugly space nigress.. >I'm convinced nick lowe has no agency, or a brain, and is there to be a punching bag to protect some asshole executive.>Some fucking retard thought they could profit off of Jackpot, a having her super origin be shitting on Peter and having a "genuine" life developement.
>>153591174Marvel editorial wanted this, just like they wanted One More Day.
>>153591735I can't see any feminist could support what happened during the fucking Wells run.We had an Avengers 200 sequel. I still can't believe it.
>>153590969that was the entire point of the Grell era LoSH, anonthe men were nearly pornographic eye candy to tell us "this is the future, welcome to equality" I somehow remained heterosexual but it was a battle
>>153591388>Don't remember himhoboyhttps://the-scrappy.fandom.com/wiki/Terry_Long
>>153591174>They've utterly ruined MJ.No one wants to hear this but all of Peter's girlfriends are barely characters. This is a world where the most independently developed girlfriend/sex partner he's ever had was created by Dan Slott. You can't ruin Gwen or MJ because they do not exist outside the context of Peter Parker and it becomes brutally obvious when they're paired with anyone else.
>Could have an interesting thread?>Nope let's whine about the state of Spiderman for the umpteeth time with the same goddamn complaints and points as every other threadAt least the schizos aren't here yet
>>153588787I wasn't a fan of Spinerettes costume.
>>153591514>>153591803>most don't want to know how to write MJ post OMD, they just don't want her near PeterTrue.>>153591735I can see those points being the case, but even so screw all of that man. Reboots often suck ass, but it's better to just reboot it than slowly murdering and desecrating the story.>>153591951Alright, they may be intrinsically bound to Peter, but even so they had their own personalities and impact in the story. Some people liked them, some people hated them, but they were meaningful. Gwen's death was a historical moment in comics in general, and MJ's resistance to Peter being Spider-Man added some conflict to the story, IMO.I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with one character being bound to another, it's just how protagonists usually are, the story revolves around them.By making her completely detached from Peter they made a character people both resented and did not care enough for on her own. I feel like if they really wanted to make her have more independency, this is not the correct way to do so.
>>153591951>the most independently developed girlfriend/sex partner he's ever had was created by Dan SlottWho?Not being facetious, I genuinely don't know who you mean. Silk? Carlie? Anna? It can't be Anna, she was for Otto, whatever happened there.
>>153592218Anna was also a fucking midget. >kek.
>>153588787What's with the counter?
>>153591951Anon, I can't understand you with this much cum in your mouth.
>>153592313Random power selection, all skulls she dies.Also hilarious how supposedly remorseful manbun makes the grieving 'mother' be the one rolling the death dice.
>>153588787Did Greg Land draw this? Her face has that uncanny value effect his traced porn illustrations typically have in an offputting way.Besides that, yeah, her costume is pretty bad and bland at best.It didn't help that Spider-Editorial has officially run her introductory phrase "Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot." completely into the ground now and even redditors appear to be fatigued by the 60th Anniversary MJW solo title even with JMD and JDM as creative duo to the point I think there should be a moratorium put on that phrase (or at least 'Tiger' and 'Jackpot' coming out of her mouth for dialogue for at least the next decade).Jackpot is the laziest name they could have given her, the powers were lame and done better with Ben 10's Omnitrix and Dial-H-for-Hero.Then there is the fact there were ALREADY 3 or 4 pre-existing Jackpots that didn't mitigate confusion (a mistake Editorial learned nothing from when making her the All-New Venom).Paul Rabin being the creator of the Jackpot gauntlets using his Mayan glyph magic CERTAINLY didn't help especially with them still being an item at the time and him being mission control led to theories about that being foreshadowing that he had magically brainwashed her with hypnotic suggestions or something and how she was weirdly hostile towards Peter since this was also around the Zeb Wells ASM "What Did Peter Do?" mystery box that went nowhere with further ragebait like MJ trashing Peter by equating Ben's to the omnicide of Paul's home dimension and calling him (Peter) "selfish" while throwing "Great Responsibility" in his face.The writer for the Black Cat/Jackpot desperate attempt to boost Jackpot's marketability had MJ and Felicia shit on Peter as a pathetic whiny loser whose obsession with responsibility being a turn-off was orders up top from editorial and they didn't even give her context for they were being so bitchy behind Peter's back her marching orders were just both of them trashing him.
>>153592336>foreshadowing that he had magically brainwashed her with hypnotic suggestions or somethingMarvel's never going to address the can of worms they opened with the children being 'chains' to bind her are they? At least not until the current responsible editors finally leave and Dead Language gets the Claremont treatment for #200.
>>153591071She looks like Chance without the helmet
>>153591388In short, he was believed to be Marv Wolfman's self-insert who married Donna Troy because of the suspiciously similar physical resemblance between him and the character, was written as a "Stop Having Fun" Creator's Pet (who was always right), and married a younger character additionally, the SECOND Wolfman left The New Teen Titans book the other writers taking over IMMEDIATELY had Terry and Donna divorce and then killed him off.
>>153591872Whenever I lurk on reddit to get a sense of how casuals feel about what's happening in the comics the defenses I usually see for Jackpot and VenoMJ are just calling those who dislike it as incels, misogynists, having mommy issues, etc if any criticism comes to Wells' era MJ to now.
>>153588787The whole idea of making MJ a superhero is retarded. Like she could have a mini series - or even an ongoing - on her own without her being a superhero.Look and Lois Lane, she's had a few mini-and-maxi-series every now and then, and had an ongoing last for like 20 years. What were they about? Lois and her adventures as a reporter and her connection to Superman.MJ could have spy adventures, deal with the superhero community, have some drama in her modeling, and have romantic tension with Spider-Man. That's a good enough idea for a comic without giving her superpowers.
>>153592452>Look at Lois LaneThey gave her powers too though
>>153592336It is fucking awful, but at least you can justify that the original Jackpots were just fakeout that make you think it is MJ as a superhero and have been put away boxes, so at least it is in-house recycling. I can't believe anyone involved actually believes this is a good idea though.
>>153592452Imagine MJ running a podcast or something just interviewing Superheroes. Play into her once very prominent social strengths and just have a series with flashbacks and assorted commentary of a large gallery.
>>153592430I can't imagine casuals defending the Wells run, it's pretty universally panned even if just for muh Kamala etc.
>>153588787Not even close.Get rid of the white sleeves and just make the top half all red with a hint of gold instead of having the weird white and black part or make the white and black part more bustier/tuxedo-esque to go with a casino theme.
>>153592458Not in the same way.Sure in her solo series from the 50s-70s there would be a few issues where she'd get superpowers, but they'd be way outnumbered by issues where she's just girl reporter Lois Lane. And she'd lose them at the end of each story. (I don't think any 'Lois gets powers' story got a full issue, back then they'd just be one of three stories in an issue)And in Superman's more recent comics she briefly got powers as Superwoman. She lost them, though.And she never had a solo series as 'Superwoman,' though. That was just a plot line in Superman's comics for a bit.
>>153592452>The whole idea of making MJ a superhero is retardedI can see her becoming one if it means addressing both of her stolen children.
>>153592579I think that's the idea, they wanted her to look like a card dealer. But they went with pink for the vest/pants analogue instead of just black and white, likely to avoid Black Cat comparisons, so she just looks really goofy and un-color coordinated
>>153588787No
>>153592336>>153592472its intentional sabotage imo.>Did Greg Land draw this?no
>>153592491>>153591951I'm not against exploring and expanding on MJ as a character without Peter. They're not as intrinsically tied together as say, Reed and Sue. At least not anymore. The problem is they insist on having MJ around Peter despite not being Peter's love interest. Peter can't explore other options because MJ is still a major supporting character in his world and MJ can't develop because her world still revolves around Peter and they'll never try to separate them because they know all the fans want Peter and MJ together so they'll milk the teasing for all it's worth. They need to either put them back together or bite the bullet and actually separate them for a short while
>>153588787You could probably post 95% of Injustice designs but this one always made me mad for some reason. And we're for some reason getting a third Injustice so can't wait to see how they overdesign the characters in the next one
>>153588860This would look much better if the costume stopped at his pecs instead halfway up them.
Felicia should get the Jackpot bracelet next and then she should lose her other arm because then she would be a one-armed bandit.
>>153588787They literally went with the very first design that was drafted.
>>153588787Its just kind of boring but I wouldn't say its terrible
>>153588787Which is a weirder outfit for MJ?
>>153594568They have spent the past 20 years doing this.
>>153594568>>153594856The issue is that OMD was such an absolute catastrophe that it undermines the very back to basics bachelor craving the gen x BND crew wanted to write.You have a canon that relies on the devil winning and continuing to win to persist. Our main characters souls are actively screaming on every page, and it will continue to keep coming up and undermining any plot they do.This has to be either ignored which flies in the face of the rest of the franchise treating MJ as THE soulmate, or you have to treat it as the fireworks factory we are never going to get to. We can't explore other options, because the driver committed manslaughter at the start and its shadowing the journey now, either address it and separate them or put them back together. Nobody is going to buy Shay's, Carlie's or whomever they throw.
>>153592371They'd divorced or separated while Wolfman was still writing Titans and he'd been written out of comics years ago when John Byrne suddenly brought him back in an issue of Wonder Woman just to kill him and both of his kids, one of which was also Donna's.Someone here posted a photo that showed he had more of a physical resemblance to the editor of Titans than to Wolfman.
>>153588787>when the two kids I thought I was raising for what felt like four years disappear and my maternal instinct was exploited by an evil deity and his ratbag son I drove the love of my life away for>this is the lookWhat were they fucking thinking?
>>153594679MJ letting out her inner wigger is such an evolution of her party girl persona that I'd believe itFuck it, it's canon now. She goes to twerking competitions with Felicia.
>>153595603I can't remember the last time MJ did anything party girl, danced or even laughed.
the more marvel tries to sabotage her, the more resilient stronger and stubborn she becomes, just like wally west whom beat didio, the rock, harras and had them all fired by the higher ups
I don’t know why they didn’t just give her this version of the costume. Especially since the character who was using it is dead.
For a more serious topic be sure to check out this thread >>153596197I take it this brings tears to you spider-man fans yes? as you can this this only further indicates the marriage will NEVER return. But by all means do feel free to make threads about it on a daily basis but it won't bring it back checkmate again,
>>153591174Because they want to keep her relevant (to keep making money from the character) without having her dating Peter, but MJ is only relevant when she's Peter's love interest. This has resulted in Marvel throwing darts with the character. Remember when they tried to make her Iron Man supporting cast? Yeah.
>>153588787They wanted to make something easy for thots to cosplay
That will always be Capricorn
>>153588787Not while Looker still lives in the minds of men.
>>153596782It is surprising that in a group of 12 people, none had a good hook.
>>153596359That costume sucks as well.
>>153595603>>153595634People having fun being instantly called wigger behavior is deranged. And what you replied to isn't MJ. That's some simulacrum designed to inflict psychic damage on people who cared about Spider-Man. Also twerking MJ isn't something anybody wants after She-Hulk.
>>153594856Everybody doesn't understand that 20 years figure, or how superhero comics or soap operas work. Side stories and arcs can go on for much longer as new villains or arcs can interrupt others and sometimes last months or years. So a large portion of that time being spent is just on the story rather than developing the characters. A good story should have both. But sometimes that isn't the focus. It wasn't solely all about MJ.
>>153594679Was the durag necessary
>>153599031Yes.
>>153599178>>153599031De klaverkoning, die een onvoorstelbaar koninkrijk had gebouwd, zag eindeloze visioenen van zijn naderende ondergang.>Der Kreuzkönig, der ein unvorstellbares Königreich errichtet hatte, sah endlose Visionen seines bevorstehenden Untergangs.I respected you where no other men were worthy. Mierfa MIERFA GIVE ME YOUR ANSWER DO.
>>153588787...
>>153599031To be fair I'm pretty sure this was drawn before the MJ reveal.>>153595603hot
>>153594679Spider-Man’s girlfriends really have a bad habit of taking up the identities of his villains
>>153588860was the creator a fag?
>>153588787hunter x hunter did it better
>>153597128It's hot so who cares.
>>153600160>spider-man's girlfriendsYou mean Marvel hacks seeking cheap shock value.
>>153591174Its not just MJ, its all human love interests and best friends now. The writers think humans are boring, so they all have to be superheroes.
>>153588860Its equality. This is what I want, rather than both sides having puritan costumes like now, have both sides be slutty.
>>153591174They want more spin off comics because everything must be spin-offed and franchised, and a normal human MJ comic won't sell.The other thing is that every hero must now have their own "Superhero family" where there's like 6 versions of them.
>>153594582why is there some dedicated little sub culture of fags who randomly pop up to bitch about every single costume this dude has ever appeared in that isn't a red diaper.
>>153600630>normal human MJ comic won't sell.do we have the actual numbers from AMJ vs Jackpot?
>>153600630>A fucking army of Spider-People>Wolverine's kids and "granddaughter">Summers family reunion>Like a dozen Captain America-likes>Iron Man suit users, with the theoretical number being like a dozen>All the Pym Particle users, and presumably could include those made by Ultron as also part of this family>Lots of Hulks, but they run in different circles>Also theoretically Marvels, but that is more like 3 groups and a few strays that are only nominally related>Not sure if Thor should count. Blurry since many are just others of his people or hosts, but at least BRB would qualify.Missing others?
>>153600844The one that started it all: The Batfamily
>>153594582Why is Superman wearing armor
>>153600844>>Summers family reunionThis one was caused by comics being soap operas
>>153602679the only forced summers is vulcan.>Wolverine's kids and "granddaughter"daken is fine and he's actually a positive for his character development. Laura is whatever. Gabby should be thrown in a wood chipper.
>>153602989Does that mean they don't bother forcing Adam, or that he is natural?
>>153588860Needs pube and ass crack visible.
>>153601822Everyone gets randomly strong as him and he has dad bod so it kinda makes sense.>>153588787Its bland and made for a no name that gets tied to a lamp post and never seen again or dead by next page for the real plot. MJ as a super just doesn't work and undermines her usefulness in other ways.
>>153603446It means that anon has terrible taste, imagine thinking the best one is 'forced'.
>>153603446adam-x doesn't exist, I don't know who you're talking about.
>>153592662>>153592452The worst part is that they have 'MJ as a superhero' but literally better in every way.
I'm gonna say Punchline has the worst costume because it's barely even a costume.
>>153604085If that's the metric then black tshirt+jeans Superboy is the worst
>>153604075Lynda was absolutely meant to be a younger, better MJ as a quasi spider person even if like spider woman she has no connection to Peter.
>>153604075She seems like a collection of various Spider-Women's cliches.
>>153604133Much less convoluted origin; from what can be pieced together she is just a (probably) FBI super agent who chose a Spider themed persona because she is a fan girl. It isn't clear that she even has any super powers, it might just be tech that works with her knock off Iron Spider Suit.
>>153604205>>153604133Although she was obviously made as coombait.
>>153604205>Wears a wig>Glowie>Fangirl with extra limbs
>>153604279>Stalker who uses government resources to research her blind dates>Constantly lies just like peter TO peter to explain why she needs to leave>Keeps going on dates with him despite not really liking Peter that much>Regularly invades Spidermans personal space out of sheer horniess>It hasn't come up yet but will eventually just whip out a gun, try to arrest Black Cat and flat out shoot her if she doesn't complyWhat isn't there to like?
>>153604125This would have been so much cooler if it was cousin Kristy.
>>153604391>It hasn't come up yet but will eventually just whip out a gun, try to arrest Black Cat and flat out shoot her if she doesn't complyNow this is pod racing!
>>153604507Dating the just barely an adult cousin of your ex seems like a bad idea.
>>153604583It would be funnier If they are going the one way Flash pining for MJ thing and he ends up sleeping with Kristy
>>153604507>>153604583She isn't that young, she is just BARELY old enough to theoretically graduate Quantico so she is probably around 24-26 even if she is drawn like a teenager..
>>153604222Coombait is what Jackpot needed
>>153590969They just say half naked men don't count., because all men want to look hot and strong anyways,
>>153588787
>>153604583Wasn't that essentially Jill, Gwen's cousin that looked like her twin?
>>153588860>Dr Frank N Furter as a superheroThere is literally nothing wrong with this design.
