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The horns on Lilith’s design makes me think the Adam hallucination will be overlayed on her body. To essentially use Lute as her representative against Charlie.
Alastor apologists. Valentino apologists. What's next? Roo apologists? She's the literal embodiment of evil. I genuinely want to see people create apologetics involving her because I'm genuinely curious what excuses weirdos will come up with for her plus it would be really funny.
>>154114262What exactly do we have confirmed when it comes to Roo? Other then her design (which I kinda like) we don't really know much.
>>154114262if she's funny and hot she can do whatever she wants, but if she just does boring vague shit and muahahas and tryhard shit then to the guillotine with her.
Adam’s purpose in being a misogynist is to reform women into the ways the light goddess wanted them to be. It’s all in his divine nature to push femininity to females.
>>154114179This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154114464It's the Homer guy.
>>154114464Do you ever get tired of posting the same unfunny and unoriginal joke over and over again?
>>154114335>push femininitythat's funny considering one of the more deranged lesbian lute people i've seen once posted about how great it was that vaggi managed to 'reclaim her femininity' from adam and grow her hair out.
>>154114540Not the homer guy. The "religious" troll who says everything is satanic. The joke has gotten old now. He needs to come up with something original.
>>154114587The only correct thing said by the lesbian Lute crowd is that she would look good with long hair.
>>154114587The Exorcists cut their hair so they can easily put on their helmets so I don't think it's a tomboy fetish thing on Adam's part.
>>154114643Would Adam even have a tomboy fetish? Lilith and Eve both had long hair (technically also Sera).
>>154114628Bird head can’t be Eve
>>154114628they are correct and i hope that's why she grabs at her hair so much in that one part in gravity. >>154114643i know, i just don't know why they took it as a 'ADAM BAD' thing (beyond the obvious) when it's pretty obviously a practicality thing that a woman in adam's position would've had them do too. we also see a variety of actual styles of hair of the unmasked exorcists even though they're still short so he wasn't demanding they all get a buzzcut so he didn't have to look at their stupid girly hair.
>Reformed exorcists are led by Adam to look into boys>They quickly go boy crazy
Why are people nowadays so obsessed with cuck memes?
>>154114739They need to wear helmets so shorter hair makes sense. Don't get why certain people are angry at this.
>>154114739Lute’s hair was probably long and unkept if no one taken care of her at the time.
>>154114769Used said picture because it was related to the subject were talking about near the end of the old thread. "Themes and such" basically.
>Adam learns about the big master mind plans, secrets, and agendas>Dismantles them easily and quickly but not without filling in a massive suit against Sera
>>154114774>doesn't take care of her hair>doesn't wash her clothes >has such a strong fixation on adam that she tulpas himlutism real.
>>154114849She is portrayed as neat and uptight in a lot of fanfiction but canonically she's pretty disgusting.
>>154114849>>154114907Stinky Lute is peak.
>>154114628I am still astounded the point of this character in season 2 was just to get told to go back to the kitchen.
>>154114849>>154114907>>154114939You think this is why Adam never got with Lute? She was stinky and gross?
>>154114907>>154114939she's adam's stinky bastard cat.
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>>154114989He is Biblical Adam who hunted animals with his bare hands and slept on dirt, if anything he would like the blood.
>>154115019Its kinda funny how the writers have now locked themselves into two awful options:-Either Lute has her meltdown in season 3 and Abel's 'character arc' in season 2 is pointless and why the fuck did Lute even listen to him.-Lute listens to Abel and her whole 'revenge arc' goes nowhere making her scenes in season 2 even more pointless.And what even was their though process behind 'Lute just cowers at any strong male figure telling her what to do'? Lute never just did whatever Adam told her to do, she was mostly a facilitator to his antics. Even in season 1 she sometimes argues against him, tells him what to do sometimes and isnt just a blind follower. Did they forget what they wrote?
How it feels to be a Serapent shipper in June 2026.
>>154115072Bloody smelly women make him horny.
>>154115077Viv and co only care about writing yaoi. Everything else is filler to them.
>>154115077I don't think they put that much though into it.
>>154115072a general lack of hygiene would have quickly killed him and eve back in the day from infection (like women poop and frequently tear during labour and if adam's not helping to keep that clean she's probably gonna die) so he has to be somewhat fastidious, and he does say 'ew' in reference to hell. adam is the neat freak, lute is the trash goblin.
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>>154115077It's more likely that Lute is going to have a short period of improvement with Abel (Lute, Abel and Hallucination Adam song?) and then some new factor (probably meddling from Roo) is going to tip her back into crazytown.
>>154115113Maybe Primordial Humans had incredible strong immune systems. They were said to live for much longer in some versions ( around 900 years).
>>154115077Third option:Abel himself goes mad and wants to execute all of Hell with Lute
>>154115151No MatPat.
Remember Viv has said we're going to be getting songs with Lute, Abel and Adam all together 'more often' so like, at least more than once
>>154114769They want to envision themselves as the one doing the cucking, when in reality they'd be the cucks.
>>154115168>Hallucination Adam using Lute to push Abel’s rage with things Lute herself wasn’t aware of.>Abel gets his own villain song in season 3.
Has Vivziepop ever referenced king of the hill before
>>154115151Way too based for Vivziepop. Abel wants to munch on Emily’s carpet.
>>154115260Go away matpat
>>154115168She also mentioned Adam's other family. The interviewer specifically asked about other pop punk vocalists potentially voicing Adam's other sons. Viv didn't disagree with the notion, and then said that we may or may not get to see them. So that'll be fun.
>>154115417Eve and Cain
>>154115442And maybe Seth if she's feeling spicy.
>>154115442Hopefully
>>154115168I am still hoping for demon Adam plot desu. I know its far fetched by Adam and Lute's relationship is the only thing that keeps me watching this godforsaken show.
>>154115485I would expect any sign of foreshadowing in demon Adam. At least from his halo looking corrupted and twisted.I doubt it.
>>154115485>demon Adam plotWhat sin did he commit?
>>154115468>We see Seth>He’s a bird furry
>>154115569What? Why a bird furry?
Adam’s purpose in this show is realizing Lute needs him and Abel needs a girl after a womansplaning
>>154115634Cause Viv is a furry that gets off to birds
>>154115567being a fat chud
>>154115668Whenever the name Seth comes up I tend to think about the Egyptian God Seth ( who attempted to steal his brother's throne). He had a dog/wolf head so more in line with a regular furry.
>>154115715>Seth is the origin point for furry corruption
>>154115668adam has some very birdlike movements in both the scene leading up to gravity and the song itself. he barely looks human at all in a bunch of shots when in season 1 he was always recognisable as 'dude in mask'.
>>154115715>Whenever the name Seth comes up I tend to think about the Egyptian God SethBut Bible-Seth looks exactly like his dad.
If Lute is Eve I don't even think she's aware of it herself and neither is Adam (this is probably part of the punishment) it is pretty on the nose that she's his subservient female 'helper' though.I imagine a situation a bit like the Doctor in Human Nature/The Family of Blood (one of the best Doctor Who serials ever)
>>154115859Ahh fuck now I'm thinking of the Doctor Who story and why it was done there what if Eve has been locked into the new form of Lute because otherwise she's too susceptible to Roo who would otherwise be able to claw her way in. Donning my tin foil hat
>>154115903Aren’t all winners Roo free
>>154115859That would be stupid because her whole thing is Adam. There is deliberate secrecy that's hinted at. If she didn't know, why would she hint at it? And we wouldn't even get closure because Adam is dead. I feel that's on par with the ' she's not the real Eve, she's a clone of Eve'. Why make it complicated, she's just Eve and she knows it.
>>154115939Wifeswap Eve thrown Adam away
>>154115859see i wonder if lute knows who she is (her line about finishing what she started, her open disdain of lilith etc) but adam and abel do not - maybe the 'i never got to tell you-' moment is a fakeout and what she meant to say was 'i never got to tell you who i am'.
>>154115958Wife-swap was probably never real. It came from two employees that left and talked shit on Viv.
>>154115961I'm pretty sure that's what it was, but people aren't picking it up, and they think she was talking about her romantic feelings. Again. Jessica has been alluding to this shit since the very beginning. But not even the Lute fanatics care to watch her interviews. They don't give a shit. As long as they get Lute raping Vaggie, they're fine.
>>154115981adam having his brain wiped of his memories of eve would explain why he's so chill about fucking random bug angels in heaven (when you know he'd be a stickler for loyalty in partners), but still considers ribs his favourite, as well as abel not thinking about his mother for emotional support at all.
>>154115967If wife swap was real it probably got scraped. It really was a mess of plot that didn't make much sense. Viv did change stuff( Vaggie going from a moth sinner to an exorcist, adding Adam and probably reworked Lucifer into what he is now).
>>154116021lucifer was always going to be some level of goof considering his dream pilot era VA was weird al.
>>154115981>Lute raping VaggieNot ever fucking happening. The sheer outrage and controversy would make this already shit fandom even more toxic. Viv ain't touching that kind of rape with a twelve foot pole.
>>154116033Him being a goof is fine but probably not as much of a baby as the current show iteration.
>>154115981>>154116057why do these people hate chaggi so much :(
>>154116079I personally hate it because I think Charlie treats her like shit, but I know that's not the general consensus. I have my reasons. But if I understand the masses correctly, it's because people like Charlie more, and think Vaggie is basic as shit. They call her boring.
>>154116008I don't think he had his memory wiped. I think it's more he held on for a long time but eventually caved in. He doesn't seem to know were she is and probably still harbours feelings for her ( he does get pissed when Lucifer mentions her).
>>154115939With the Doctor Who comparison, basically in that story the Doctor (a 900 year old time travelling alien) is hiding inside a new life as a human schoolteacher called John Smith. Although John Smith has no idea he is the Doctor he is still drawn to aspects and people from his original identity. He's being stalked by evil psychic aliens and if he remembers who he is they'll be able to locate him and do some evil shit.Lute's love for Adam could be spilling through to her from her past existence as Eve and the closer she gets to grasping pieces of her life as Eve the more power Roo starts to have over her. It's all super tinfoil though.
>>154116089i think it's pretty one-sided too at the moment, but i'm hoping that vaggi getting more depth will lead to charlie being the one being her pillar for once. and even that's still better than pairing vaggi with lute for non-hatesex reasons. >>154116103>desperately lonely, adam asks sera to find eve>sera lies and says eve is in hell >adam begs for any chance to save her from hell>'i'm sorry adam, but hell is forever - like it or not'
>>154116154I'd imagine Sera straight up telling Adam they don't know were Eve is. Not even a "she's in hell" since the uncertainty would be even more devastating. Did she die and skip the afterlife because she was made from his rib? Adam having absolutely no clue would definitely mess him up.
>>154115029Fucking nothing. The aforementioned Adamsapple schizo has dredged up some old screencaps of some literally who Guitarspear shipper being disappointed back when Viv said Adam and Lute can be 'whatever' sexuality because they wanted solid confirmation of a sexuality to stop the endless closet lesbian Lute sperging and this person took it to mean the poster was biphobic (huh?)Then the Adamsapple schizo posted about it a bunch of times and tagged both ships as an example of how victimized Adamsapple is. It is nothingburger Twitter nonsense brought about because they're upset their ship just got decanonised.
>>154116021Eve had super mega evil God powers to do that. And Charlie is supposed to have super mega evil God powers too.
>>154116223Yes. A complete mess of a plot.
Vivzie shows are demonic propaganda.Exactly what it says on the subject.As a man of God i am disgusted by what her shows have done to public perception of God's Truth.I have witnessed too many people be deceived by her wicked filth and i want to help people know the truth about scripture, biblical history and the spiritual world.If you have any questions on how Vivzie's dece3ptions has twisted biblical truths in the public perception and have any questions on any specific part of her shows and how they compare to the truth then feel free to ask.Two notes first.1. Despite what i said, this is not a hate thread, so i won't be hating on anyone, i'll simply be telling what Vivzie gets wrong.2. I admit i am still relatively new as a man of God as i have only been born again in 2023 and haven't gotten really into it until last year, but i will still try to answer the truth as best as i can, but if i am unable to i will simply say so.>>154114354Ya must have read at least a little, but with that being said, are ya really not capable of reading a post longer than a few sentences?>>154114375Amen.>>154114436Never before has the signs of the end times been more clear.People becoming lovers of self, wars and rumors of wars, we're even seeing the dead rising due to AI.How is this not the end times?>>154114444Well if ya want me to discuss the topic here then OK.>>154114827Well then it's a good thing i'm 27.
>>154116204true, if he thinks she's in hell he'd probably dive straight down to go get her. oh no what if adam holds his wings in that weird way not to hide his stomach but because eve liked to hug him from behind?
>>154116228>>154116245Don't spam full walls of text. Keep things short and reply individually.
>>154116236Not really. It’s absolutely in line with what a demon would do. What’s shocking to me is how rare it is in this show.
>>154116256I could see that. Very cute.
>>154116245Why is a religious zealot watching a sacrilegious/ blasphemous / religiously satirical show in the first place? You are committing sin.
>>154116245These people are helpless unrepentant morons. There is no point in reaching them.
>>154116283Funny enough if MatPat or the Two Redditors show up I could see them getting into a spat.
>>154116273so she can put her hands over the rib scar... oh i've made myself so sad. i hope adam and eve genuinely loved each other so bad.
>>154116297What Redditors?
>>154116309Two Redditors showed up last thread and started picking verbal fights. Some femcel and I think a black dude.
>>154116328Oh really? I didn’t notice them at all. Pretty boring.
>>154115931Sir Pentious isn't Roo free.Compare these two scenes to each other:https://youtu.be/gQawIibNIzk?list=RDgQawIibNIzk&t=121https://youtu.be/y1sF6ZeASU0?t=453
>>154116299God I love the idea of the Rib Scar. Eve constantly playing and caressing and Adam being proud of it because of how it connects them.
>>154116245How good is homosexuality
>>154116079Their love is vile and blasphemous.
>>154114520>The Bible has very little to say about Adam's moral character. If he's to make an appearance in some fictional work, that needs to be filled in one way or another regardless.But he was never evil, in fact he still stayed with God even after getting kicked out of Eden.>The Bible explicitly says that the timing of this is not something humans will know in advance.No actually Jesus says people will not be able to know the timing of the Second Coming specifically and even said that may those with eyes to see and ears to hear look out for the signs of the end times that he gave to the world.>And lust is not the same thing as sexual attraction or appreciating someone's physical beauty.It literally is though. Sexual attraction is apart of lust, like i said, Jesus Himself said that it's no better than adultery, and people like you really use the whole "appreciating physical beauty" thing as an excuse to try to cover up the fact that you people want sex and to goon, it has nothing to do with beauty to you people at all.>You might consider actually reading the Bible some time.I did, and it's a known fact that Lucifer was defeated by Micheal.How do ya think he got defeated?>Humans don't become angels in Christianity. Angels are an entirely different order of created being. And it's unclear how the technical aspects of Vivzie's cosmology are supposed to work. Suffice to say it's fictional and only loosely based on Christian fanon (angelic hierarchies are not in the Bible).No duh. I never said that was apart of the bible, i said that's apart of how Vivzie's world works.>Angels/demons in Christianity are not mortal.Again, no duh, but look at the context of me saying that, i'm talking in the context of Vivie's world, were they can be killed.Also it the bible doesn't really mention if angels and demons can or can't be killed so that's still up for interpretation until proven one way or another.(1/2)
>>154116352I don’t get it
>>154116375Something that will most likely only be known to those in God's Kingdom.(2/2)>>154116258I will be sure to keep it as short as possible from here on out.
>>154116279Trust me, i tried to fight against watching Season 2 but i did and i know God didn't like it but i repented for it and i am here to share God's truth and fight back against deception.
>>154116404thoughts on the character 'speaker of god' and the song 'sera's confession'?
>>154116283Well the fact that you're able to see that proves to me that there are at least some people who know the truth so being here isn't all that pointless.But yes, i agree, the people of 4chan are wicked, it's a den of sin that i am sure God will get rid of soon, but i still wanna help out in any way i can, i know God didn't lead me here for nothing.>>154116297MatPat?
>>154116358she used that specific spot as a pillow whenever she had a nap.
>>154116404Then you have failed. You knowingly became the very thing you condemn. A last-minute apology does not erase deliberate actions, nor does claiming repentance automatically absolve you of responsibility. You stand alongside the people you spend so much time judging. In fact, worse, because you knew better and chose it anyway.Live with that truth. Carry it. No excuse, no justification, no self-righteousness can change what you've done. You are a failure before God's eyes.
>>154116375Adam literally died simping for Eve. Jesus’ life is the opposite by refusing to indulge in Israel’s darkness.
>>154116377Cherrisnake is a relationship based on Lust so Sir Pentious starts mirroring the Sin of Lust himself meaning that he is corrupted by Roo in some form.
>>154116469No that's not how it works. You fucking idiot.
>>154116425>MatPat He's a guy who occasionally shows up here to shill his theory. He believes Eve is pure evil. Adam is the chosen one and champion of good. Abel is secretly a mastermind planning his revenge on hell and a complete ruthless badass. He also believes Cain is Zestial ( the spider overload) for some dumb reasons. He also believes Abel is Lucifer's son. We tend to clown on him for being dumb.
>>154116425What's your opinion on Vivziepop? Do you think she's a Satanist?
>>154116502Please don't encourage him.
>>154116500Theories for the show
>>154116485Then how does it work?
>>154116433>Pillow AdamCute
>>154116500He's actually schizophrenic too, from what I understand. It's best to ignore him and not divulge his delusions too much.
>>154116515Oki doki.
>>154116500I miss his 'all popular Hollywood actors are secretly trans' era.
>>154116521Uncommitted relationships and adultery
>>154116528My main fear is that Jake over here will accidentally summon him. It's similar to the Roonigger schizo from /trash/. If you touch their subject matter they will show up.
>>154116560Matpat is totally harmless compared to other thread hazards. I find him amusing.
>>154116527there's a tumblr poll about who gives the best hugs in hazbin at the moment and if adam doesn't win that just proves tumblr has shit taste, although that won't be a surprise.
>>154116571He tends to derail things if new people show up without knowing his deal. Plus he really triggers the Redditors which result in a even bigger mess.
>>154116577>Tumblr has shit taste So nothing new really.
The Ideal body type
>>154116593I’m already here
>>154116593Redditors are insane narcissists. They will derail the threads no matter what.
>>154116665Yeah but most normal people just tell MatPat to shut up. They end up taking the bait and post entire text walls on why he's wrong instead of shutting him down with a simple short response.
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>>154116736
>>154116617real and true>>154116736CUTE >>154116744HOT
>Let us exterminate these pests Nifty.
That one loser who had a complete meltdown when Viv said that Adam and Lute could be whatever because it gave the impression that they were not straight, must be ecstatic right now with the pride merch.
Cute sperg
>>154116852it would work but only on her. >>154116854>when cleaning out adam's office for abel she finds the now dried out flowers in a vase
>>154116842Is this Loser in the room with us?
>>154116729Normal people don’t ever think. They just act on their emotions like the retards they are. Redditors are just normal people who think they smart and uplifted because they gotten likes from piles of strangers just as absent minded as them, declaring their emotional beats as revelations.
>>154116841Do you think pedos ever hit on Niffty and sometimes try to fuck her in Hell?
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>>154116842It’s a girl. I know. Saw her Twitter.
>>154116927I forget if it was here or on Twitter where they had their fit.
>>154116940as Viv stated herself that there are no children in Hell so I'd say they make due trying to rape little people
>>154116940Plenty would. Shamelessly. I hate sinning mankind
>>154116935I hope they drop the bomb that the story of hell is complete revisionist history and went down was more complex.
>>154116953Do you have screenshots? That's hilarious.
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>>154116972I'm pretty sure that's exactly it. Viv herself has liked a couple of posts where it's said to keep in mind that Charlie's narration is not to be trusted 100%. It absolutely is revisionist history. We're going to see more of the truth next season.
>>154116981Nah. I don’t save any of this. It’s not my thing.A lot of people called her homophobic for it.
>>154116965>>154116969So the Cannibal Child Vaggie spared was an adult dude?
>>154116984Adam was a fag, we get it.
>>154117001Huh?
>>154116991The real story is probably going to make Charlie feel a lot guilty over the Adam situation and horrified about her own mother.
>>154116996There are no SINNERS that are CHILDREN. Hell born are not sinners. Can you read? Are you a dumb monkey?
>>154116996Yes, that's been confirmed in and out of like the fucking patreon too. There are no children in hell. That was a short person. Legit.
>>154117022They just asked a simple fucking question. Chill out.
>>154116935it'll be interesting to see if the story's been depicted in a 'we better censor the grisly shit for baby charlie' way or 'i don't want charlie to be ashamed of us' way. if it's broad-strokes accurate it kills a lot of the intrigue for lilith, eden and lucifer. >>154116941sad boy :( >>154116950genuinely when i first watched this scene, i didn't realise the thing jiggling was niffty's dress for a hot second and i thought adam just had a real wobbly butt when he died.
>>154116996He was spawned into existence to contradict sinner lore so that Vaggie, Vivziepop’s dyke self-insert, would be sympathetic for being a fallen angel.
>>154116996Imagine if Vaggie never met Charlie and she learned that the cannibal child was an adult dude. She would go as insane as Lute.
>>154117067>Adam recruits her when he sees her again>Adam: “Told you.”
>>154117022Had the appearance of a child ( probably why Vaggie hesitated). Also Viv is shit at world building so we don't fucking know if cannibals are hellborn or sinners ( some say she said in some forgotten stream/ interview that they were hellborn but it's not clear if it's still cannon). You also have to be the same species to be a cannibal. That shit doesn't count if you're eating another sentient creature unrelated to you.
>>154117067Worse. A pedo sinner.
>>154117067>>154117076Would have been an interesting plot point if she ran into him again when the cannibal army showed up. Maybe she would have been a bit conflicted about the whole ordeal.
>>154117042You need to lay off the porn
I just realized. Pedos probably go after Hellborn children mainly.
>>154117110Nah. The dyke needs to romanticize and joyfully kill her sisters.
>>154117091Yeah I heard that theory. There's also an alternative that the form is a punishment for child related cannibalism ( he never ate adults and only consumed children but not a pedo way).
>>154117132They would be cursed to look like children so they can sexually abuse each other instead.
>>154117136Shut the fuck up. They were attacking her and wanting to kill her. I don't know why people offer that grace to the Exorcists but not Vaggie. What, did you want her to just roll over and let herself be eviscerated? Retard.
>>154117160>Vaggie had the choice to not do this by>leaving the ring>Staying with Charlie at Lucifer’s mansion with the two sinners that actually want redemption >rejoining Adam
>>154117132Not sure but I heard Viv chickened out and made it so all pedos, rapists and mass genociders just get deleted so they don't end up in hell and make the whole redemption gimmick problematic. I guess Val started raping after he fell in hell for some other stuff.
>>154117178'rejoining Adam' as if that's an actual choice, anyone would consider. That tells me enough about you.
>>154117181Looks like Jesus is more willing to redeem pedos and genocidalist
>>154117091>>154117145>>154117154Wouldn't this imply Niffty was a pedophile. Holy shit! Was she was a housewife that diddled her kids or something. Imagine if that was revealed in the show.
>>154117204It was in episode 6 so yeah.
>>154117181No, I heard that once they make it down in hell, they're immediately killed. Basically the same concept as when a pedophile goes into prison. And it wasn't rapist. It was people like Hitler, Stalin, the pedophiles... But not the 'normal' rapists, specifically the child diddlers.
>>154117208Well we do need the pedo flag for Pride merch
>>154117220How would anyone know?
>>154117219Yes I know. It was blackmail. Why would she go back to her abusers? Idiot.
>>154117220yeah i assumed since angelic steel wasn't around until the exterminations, they had to resort to repeatedly killing the worst of the worst until they were absorbed by roo in the landscape.
>>154117208For Niffty's case I imagine Viv is just racist and decided to make the Japanese woman be incredibly short. Not sure why she's paired with a competent German guy and is friends with an Italian man with a record of taking Ls . Kinda weird. I'm sure there's no correlation to any events from a certain War.
>>154117120no, adam's a cutie and i will not apologise for that.
>>154117246No idea. But that's why we don't see Hitler and stuff. Viv can't make up her mind though because I do recall her saying that she doesn't want to portray real life events/ people, that's why they changed things like Alastor's mustache so that he doesn't resemble the guy he was inspired by, that's why they removed the whole Titanic thing from Baxter's backstory, and why the Jack Ripper knockoff Sir Pentious encountered in his human life isn't 'actually' Jack. Yet, they mention Hitler in the show so, I guess it's 50/50.
>>154117272True
>>154117262>hazbin hotel is a hetalia aumy god.
>>154117262How is that a stereotype when on average, they are in fact shorter. Don't be stupid.
>>154117154The personification of evil is a deity in the Hellaverse who probably also takes joy in causing misery to Hellborn children. Double the fun for Evil.
>>154117278The pilot straight up had Jeffrey Dahmer as a joke guest for a cooking show. Also Charlie gets compared to Hitler at some point.
>>154117286ahhh so pretty
>>154117286Roo isn't Eve.
>>154117181A shame, really. Imagine the comedy in an episode where he shows up to the hotel seeking redemption. Bonus points if he's in some sort of fursona form.
>>154117293I was making a joke. Couldn't you tell when I started talking about the Axis of hell?
>>154117253It was blackmail for her to be an Exorcist Angel or be revealed as one.
>>154117302I addressed that in my other comment. I can't believe how many people don't know what a pilot is. Not everything in a pilot is canon, and then it's usually retconned anyway.
>>154117319I'm skimming here dude. Didn't catch that. My bad.
>>154117296Roo is the one that is behind the sinner forms or is it God.
>>154117307Pretty sure the artist that drew this has said Roo is her own person in this art. She doesn't subscribe to the Roo=Eve.
>>154117310He did like animals a lot. If he existed in the show I kinda imagine him living as a hermit in some secluded place painting landscapes. He seems like the type of guy to give up after he ends up in hell.
>>154117336Roo is one of the two deities in the Hellaverse so my guess is that the Evil side of things is all her.
Why is there so much rage about Roo and Eve? Shut up about it.
>>154117367People are allowed to talk shit on how stupid Roo being Eve or not sounds. Go on Twitter if you want to do damage contro, fag.
>>154117366>Lute is derived from Roo’s existence like an accursed Eve>The God of light uses Adam to hold her and take her.
>>154117322Yeah that true but Viv should really show up with timestamps on what cannon and not because she has said some stuff is cannon without truly clarifying what. This has caused massive complications since some elements are supposed to be a precursor to the show.
>>154117367K, so anyway, I like the idea of Eve having been taken over by the evil God and turning into Roo
>>154117391Literally none of us care about Roo Eve at all. We just see it as minor plot and lore and go off on with our day. You’ve been mad about this for months without stopping.
>>154117400Again. Research what a pilot is and what it does. I don't think you grasp that.
>>154117414What are you talking about. Who's we?
>>154117419I know what a pilot is brother. But I'm telling you Viv is being sloppy and ignoring that. She wants her cake and to eat it too.
>>154117412Manifesting long haired Lute for season 3+
>>154117442
>>154117430The people on this board. None of us cared about Roo being Eve or Eve not being Roo. Not a single one. Not even the theory guys care.
>>154117412pretty, shame she doesn't wash it and adam has to get the hose out.
>>154117434.... Ignoring what? The pilot? Again, it doesn't sound like you know what a pilot is.
Viv doesn't have the balls to create a plotline with some REAL sinners.
>>154117451long hair lute edits are almost as good as the edits where people draw adam's actual human face over his mask. some of his facial expressions are so goofy.
>>154117453NTA but speak for yourself. A lot of us are watching and enjoying the chaos here. Just because you don't care for shit doesn't mean that applies to everyone btw
>>154117465She already does. Being a sinner is a low bar to cross. Even Christians can do it in 5 minutes.
>>154117465Valentino.
>>154117479I know they like the chaos. But no one here has ever given a damn about Roo Eve like it was something serious or obsess about besides evil woman fantasies or tragic Adam X Eve fics.
Maskless Adam Is such a basic ass. White man. No freckles, no piercings, no eyeliner, no nothing. Just a gamer guy with a pot belly. They really couldn't go all out for him? They gave him such a basic boring design
>>154117453I'm honestly fine with whatever. Be it Eve=Lute or Eve=Roo. Just give the woman some actual buildup for when she shows up and a reason for not being present so far. If they tease she's an unrelated character who's appearance is gonna be at the end of S3 ( meaning she's only active S4) it's gonna suck. Especially considering she's gonna get resolved before S5. They already teased Lilith to shit and I'm pretty sure they are going to fumble hard with her. We don't need a repeat of that.
>>154117508Why are you speaking for everyone though lol if you actually think people don't care about stuff like that, then you haven't been on these boards very long or you ignore a lot of shit. Kudos to you.
>>154117489Me going to Hell for listening to a cutesy japanese song (It's highly satanic because the main religion in Japan is Shinto.)
>>154117512Meanwhile Lilith is going to be hailed as this ethereal goddess and it's just a tall ass basic white bitch. At least her design looks marginally more interesting than Adam.
>>154117523It was confirmed in the patreon that they're not going to introduce any more biblical figures, and they're just want to explore what they already have set up, and they specifically mentioned Adam and Eve. So there's a big chance she's Rosie or Lute
>>154117523Wifeswap Eve will pretty much be the main villain of season 3 and get more screen time than Lute.
>>154117512no he's cute and he's got tired eyebags and a lil scraggly beard.
>>154117554That theory has been dead. People who unironically believe it's a thing are retarded.
>>154117544Lilith’s skin grosses me out as a white person.
>>154117497Call me when Viv has the balls to create a plotline where Valentino tries to seriously go to the Hotel without any ulterior motives.
>>154117558It looks like he has smeared shit on his chin. Yet we're supposed to believe he actually scores in Heaven. Bullshit. This man gets no pussy. Would have been nice to have seen him actually interact with some random Heaven bimbo. He's lying. He beats it to angel dust porn.
>>154116360It's bad to say the least.
>>154117462Either you are baiting or you're not paying attention. She literally went and said some elements of the pilot are cannon. Most creators just treat the pilot as a proof a concept for the show that isn't cannon for the later material. Viv doesn't do that. She literally piggybacks of it which causes problems. Because some stuff got retconned but some character introductions and and interactions are still treated as cannon. It's sloppy work.
>>154117567It’s not dead. It’s only dead if the canon comes out and it turns out it wasn’t true. Otherwise you could up being the Danny of Hazbin Hotel when it turns out the leak isn’t scrapped.
>>154117577To be fair, knowing Viv, she might actually just do that. The fandom will erupt.
>>154117592You couldn’t do more than that?
>>154117595Danny?
>>154117577Val is a dumb bimbo with love issues. It makes sense.
>>154117544Can't wait for Eve to also be another white tall blonde woman. We're channelling Marvel Rivals energy here.
>>154117595By that logic, Niffty could end up being Eve. It's just as plausible as the wife switch. With the current stream of events come others literally nothing supporting that plotline. It's along the same lines of Abel being Lucifer's son or Emily falling or Roo being Eve or whatever other unimaginative things people have come up with.
>>154116416It's been a while since i watched season 2 so i can't recall the song, but "Speaker of God", i assume you mean that dove right?I think she's supposed to be Vivzie's version of The Holy Spirit as The Holy Spirit does show Himself as a dove but being female, from what i can tell, is a Gnostic thing.
>>154117630Oh God, that would be a nightmare. I could imagine Roo being a white tall bitch. I'm pretty sure all the first Eden humans were Caucasian white
>>154117573Some art gives her a purple tint.
>>154117617Danny is the guy that prompted that the leaks for episode 9 of TADC aren’t true because of theory reasons and Glitch made the production to troll leakers.
>>154117644Speaker is a phoenix, according to Viv.
>>154117647Wouldn't the Eden humans be African black since the earliest humans were black?
>>154117649That is even worse.Why does she always look like a corpse?
>>154117654Oh fuck, I remember that. Okay, I will take the L if it comes to fruition. However, in my defense, the swap leaks are from 2021. This guy got official looking material, I imagine an animation or a screenshot, and still said that shit wasn't true. The shit I have seen is from people who claim that they are former employees, and anyone can do that, and they say this shit. When season 2 leaks came out, there was this guy Roser or some shit, and screenshots of them divulging so much detail about the Eden and Lilith shit circulated, and they sounded very confident. Guess what? All that turned out to be horseshit. We'll just have to wait and see.
>>154117672Adam means red. To imply he can blush.
>>154117647I wonder what eye colour Eve will have. Will they go with the whole albino parallel and give her red eyes ( Lilith has purple) or maybe gold/brown like Adam.
>>154117672*and from Africa?
>>154117672Not in Viv's white supremacist world
>>154117701Adam’s winner form isn’t his orginal one. He could’ve had natural blue eyes like Lilith.
>>154117654NTA but Episode 9 of TADC was a whole fully animated and voiced episode, not some hearsay from a discord.
>>154117694iirc the TADC leaks were a full 15 minutes of animation originally, so a fuckton more substantial. wifeswap theory is more akin to the voltron legendary defender s8 leaks where we got a bunch of screenshots with zero context and one of them got changed for copyright reasons in the actual show anyway.
>>154117672Viv doesn't like black people. That's why all her lesbians are of colour. So they don't touch her sexy men.
>>154117701I heard that Lilith and Eve are supposed to be physically identical twins. So... Whatever Lilith I color is, I guess. Blue or brown. Probably blue, if they're going for that pure white snowflake CaucasianThat's funny because now we would have Lilith, Eve and Lucifer being blonde, while Adam is a brunette to show he's bad seed
>>154116452>Then you have failed.I admit that.>You knowingly became the very thing you condemn.I never condemned anyone who watched the show i only called out the show itself and Vivzie for its deception and propaganda.>A last-minute apology does not erase deliberate actions, nor does claiming repentance automatically absolve you of responsibility.Never said it does but that doesn't mean that God won't forgive.>You stand alongside the people you spend so much time judging.I never judged anyone for watching the show.Feels like you encountered a Christian who hurt you in the past and now you're trying to project your feelings of them onto me.>In fact, worse, because you knew better and chose it anyway.Yes, but at the same time God does forgive and i accepted it by repenting and trust me i did feel the repercussions of my actions that i took full accountability for.>Live with that truth. Carry it. No excuse, no justification, no self-righteousness can change what you've done.>You are a failure before God's eyes.I rebuke this as no one is a failure in God's eyes as He loves everyone equally.And i must call you out on your hypocrisy, getting mad at me for being judgemental (A false accusation.) while being so judgemental against me.What are ya even doing in this thread anyways?
>>154117675Idk. I kinda like it.
>>154117694I think wifeswap is stupid but makes sense with the story line.It reveals how hard Adam will simp for Eve just for her to coldly look at his death like some napkin dropped on the ground.
>>154117724This. Plus the hearsay is from 5+ years ago.This is exactly the shit I mean. That people have seen these leaks circulate for many years, and they treat it like it's biblical canon
>>154117721I kinda prefer him having golden eyes. Feels more interesting if the first humans had some more rare features.
>>154117738> while Adam is a brunette to show he's bad seedAdam wouldn’t be a brunette. It’s just blonde for the majority of blonde men. It’s a result of testosterone.
>>154117768Viv did in fact say that Lilith is a fallen angel around 2 years ago in the patreon. It's legit. What that means though, is anyone's guess. If we assume maybe Eden was not on Earth, then maybe the first humans weren't actually human? Maybe they were Angels without wings or some shit? That's the only time I could see Adam having gold eyes still.
>>154116502Vivzie i feel doesn't know the extent of her actions.She's not malicious, she's ignorant.And i don't think she's a satanist, i think it's all nothing more than mythology to her, although i admit there has been a lot that has been added to what people believe Christianity to be that has become mythology, such as hell itself and how it works, but i digress.So basically i say she's an atheist.
>>154117738Lucifer somehow managed to mess up all of creation. Describing Adam as the bad seed feels disingenuous.
>>154117775You lost me. You don't think he was a brunette in Eden? He literally has brown hair In the show. I doubt he'd go from blonde on Earth, and then become a brunette in heaven. If anything, he should have become a blonde when he ascended. He's always been a brunette.
>>154116500And i assume he got the name "MatPat" mockingly for his over the top theories.
>>154117799I didn't say I feel like he was bad seed. I'm just saying, that's probably something Viv would do. I don't know why people are allergic to the possibility of Adam having always been a spoiled brat. Maybe not to the extent he is now but.... Give a kid free rein, tell him he's in charge, and he'll go ape shit. He could have just as easily been innocent and kind, or spoiled and a little troublemaker. I'll take either.
>>154117803No, that's actually the username he picked out for himself when he would comment on the old boards. If you look through archives though, you'll see his name pop up. He sullied the matpat name
>>154117780Honestly I consider that info outdated. Probably part of her original plan which got reworked after another episode of her ADHD. Lilith being a fallen angel makes very little sense and kinda ruins her whole Queen of sinners spiel.
>>154116455No actually he got manipulated into eating the forbidden fruit out of love for his wife but that alone doesn't make him a bad guy, it was a mistake.And while Jesus did the opposite by never falling into temptation it was the ways of the world He refused, not only Israel, as Israel itself is of this world.
>>154117836I mean 2 years ago is pretty recent In terms of animation production. That holds value. Versus hearsay leaks from 5 to 6 years ago. By that logic all the interviews from 2 years ago should be disregarded, when it comes to the series.
>>154117847Nope. He ate the fruit despite knowing better, despite being older, and when it come time to take accountability, he threw his wife under the bus and blamed God.Get that weak baby uwu shit out of here.
>>154117606What more would you like?
>>154117836I mean, isn't it a touch ironic that the queen of hell is actually an angel? I'd be curious to see how she'd fit that in there.
>>154117802Vivziepop is a blonde like me.The girls normally keep the lightness of their hair while the boys have darker hair when they get older. The Brunette hair of girls is a lot darker than those men. It would be darker than Adam’s hair color.
>>154117658Well it would be nice if she actually established that in the show.But with that being said there's no such thing as a phoenix in the bible so i have no idea where she got that from. Feels like she's making things up as she goes along.
>>154117889I mean, she probably is. That's kind of how fictional stories work. And I mean realistically, at what point would that ever need to come up? Why would it even need to be said?
>>154117829Ah, well then i hope he learns to take a step away for a while and think before he posts.
>>154117871Couldn’t you have delve into the booty hole issues, the aids, etc? The side effects of the sin itself.
>>154117889A phoenix is a symbol of death and resurrection.
>>154116617He's not fat. They just like to draw him with a weird stylized silhouette. That and he's wearing a dress.
>>154117860To be fair both Adam and Eve got tricked by a being considerably older than them with fantastic powers beyond their comprehension. That's like complaining a 9 year old shouldn't trusted his 6 year old friend after some super shady old guy lied to them in an attempt to coerce them into dooming themselves.
Why is this fandom retarded to the point that they want Viv to spell every single detail on screen? I swear they should release episodes and have little pop-up notes for the audience because that's what people need. For all her retardation, Viv is held to some weird ass standards. She can't even say some stupid shit regarding her fag OCs because then you have retards on these boards asking 'well why wasn't that said in the show?!?' Jesus fucking Christ.
>>154117919>>154116617He doesn't have a long neck either. They just have a stylized way of drawing him.
>>154117924Eve, the youngest, got tricked. She took the fruit to him. The serpent didn't talk to him. He took the fruit from her. Now if you're in one of those belief systems that believe both him and Eve were standing there while the serpent was talking, I can't help you.
People unironically thinking that Adam is not fat because of the robe. Even Twitter can't come up with this level of retardation.
>>154117860>He ate the fruit despite knowing better,Yes but he was still deceived into doing it.>despite being olderYet still being that of a kid in God's eyes.>and when it come time to take accountability, he threw his wife under the bus and blamed God.I don't recall him pointing fingers at God, i don't know where ya got that from, could ya point to the scripture?But yes, he did point the finger at Eve when he should have repented.But even then, that's not enough to call him a bad guy, let alone a full on villain.>Get that weak baby uwu shit out of here.What are ya talking about here?
>>154117956Dude, the Apostle Paul, the one Jesus spoken to, said Adam wasn’t deceived.Adam chosen Eve over God and gotten death.
>>154117956'Deceived' by the youngest human? Nope. He took that shit cuz he wanted to. Doesn't matter. He's the oldest of the two.Genesis 3:12: "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate"He's blaming God there. If you don't interpret it that way, that's a different story. I can't help you there. But he's very clearly saying it's God's fault. He's not taking accountability here. That's his pride talking.
>>154117875Wouldn't that kinda make things even more complicated. If she an angel then she's not the first (human) woman. If she was an angel she would have had angelic powers and could have done whatever she wanted and not be tied to the garden. How could she be an angel and Adam's wife at the same time. Does that mean Adam was also an angel. Was Eve an angel. Is Charlie a full Angel then. The more you think about it the less sense it makes.
>>154117999Indeed. But like I said this is just something Viv said around 2 years ago. It's a thing
I don't know if Original Sin was Adam's fault but I can say for a fact Hazbin Adam is thick and juicy with a big cock and hefty balls.
>>154117909Sorry i thought that was self explanatory.But you are right with the biggest issue being that two men should not marry.Marriage is supposed to be between man and woman as it is two halves that were separated when God separated Eve from Adam becoming whole again by becoming one flesh.For two men to marry is like trying to shove two pieces of a puzzle that can never fit together.Also men can not make other men pregnant so there's that.If someone is gay it'd be better for them to stay a virgin and never marry.
>>154117986The bizarre thing is that Cain didn’t blame God for anything when he came up.
>>154118013What does Cain have to do with anything in this conversation. If this is matpat, and you're trying to tie it into Zestial being Cain, please shut the fuck up.
>>154118012Shouldn’t you actually solve the sin in their heart?
>>154118007
>>154118039Euthanize it.
>>154118005I won't lie Viv is kinda retarded.
>>154118027We’re talking about the holy Bible.The Bible with Genesis 3 and 4. The Bible different from what Hazbin Adam did.Cain didn’t blame God over the favoring of Abel pushing him to kill him.
>>154118090I don't give two shits about Cain or Abel. We're talking about Adam.
>>154118078She is retarded. Perfect for this Audience, I have to say.
>>154118102What else is to say for Mr. Simp blaming God for deed he shouldn’t have done.
>>154117897>I mean, she probably is. That's kind of how fictional stories workWell considering it's a story that's supposed to have high continuity and a big overarching story it should be planned out more so the beginning, middle and end isn't a bumpy ride.>And I mean realistically, at what point would that ever need to come up? Why would it even need to be said?Well since there are people who don't know what she's supposed to be, both her species and role in Heaven's hierarchy, it'd be nice to get a proper introduction instead of her showing up out of nowhere.Maybe her role will be revealed later, but her species is at least not supposed to be a mystery considering Vivzie revealed it, but not everyone who watches the show will keep up with what she says so it'd be nice to at least have one line mentioning that she's supposed to be a phoenix.>>154117916OK. But the point here is that there's no phoenix in the bible.
>>154118131Okay perfect. Conversation is done. No further comment on Abel or Cain needed. And no, Zestial is not Cain
>>154118135Who the fuck cares if the symbolism is or isn't in the Bible. Why would they fucking introduce a speaker of God as a phoenix. Only schizo Asperger fagots like you are thinking about that sort of shit. It's not a detail that's pointed out because it's not relevant to the plot point or overall story. It's inconsequential. It's about as useful as saying the white patches imps have are from scars or burns.
>>154117954adam is my handsome chubby man and i will not abide by this erasure. >>154118039arms built for biting into
>>154118135> OK. But the point here is that there's no phoenix in the bible.That is the most pointless point ever.
>>154118142Do you have a stroke?
Zestial is Cain and there is mountains of evidence for it.
>>154118176What are retards like this insist XYZ or ABC is not in the Bible? When it's so fucking clear that this show is not supposed to be an exact match. That's how fucking 'inspired by' stories work. Not only that, but Viv takes her inspiration from several religious frameworks. Catholicism, Mormonism, etc, so her potential for world building is not strictly to the Bible anyway. Also people fucking overlook Lilith... Lilith of Jewish mythology.
>>154118204Reveal them.
>>154117983OK, but is Paul Jesus? Is he God? Or is he a human with his own believes and interpretations?Even if what Paul said is true, that still doesn't make Adam a bad guy, let alone a villain.>Doesn't matter. He's the oldest of the two.Age doesn't matter when even the old can be deceived by the young.>Genesis 3:12: "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate"He's only pointing the finger at Eve, he's simply saying that she's the one God gave him, nothing more nothing less.If that's your interpretation then no offence but i say your views are too cynical.
>>154118215Umm… was this made for someone else?
>>154118204No MatPat. The halo Lute Is wearing is not an engagement ring. Zestial is not Cain. Abel is some secret bloodthirsty killer who is out for revenge. Adam is a bad guy. Unless you have interviews, VA commentary, commentary from Viv, or leaks, you have nothing. Take your medication.
>>154118219Also meant to reply to >>154117986
>>154118204MatPat NO.
>>154118219“For as in Adam all die” (KVJ)
>>154118219Then you don't read the Bible. Simple as that. You are a failure at being any sort of preacher. Adam is not a hero, he is not a good guy. He listened to his inexperienced, young wife, and then threw her under the bus. And then he had the fucking audacity to point the finger at God. That's all. He was a failure just like you.
>>154118029That's only possible if they themselves accept that.
>>154114179This is revenge rape because Lilith raped Adam first.
Matpat mind breaks the craziest schizos in the Hazbin fandom.
>>154118231I was agreeing with you, in regards to the comment you were replying to.
This quickly devolved into religious schizo posting.
>>154118273Lilith is a rapist
>>154118277Do you think he actually unironically believes this shit? He says? I fully believe once his schizo theories turn out to be completely wrong, he'll convince himself that Viv rerewrote everything last minute.
>>154118269That is basically doing nothing. Who told you to leave a sickly old man banging at your door to the streets?
>>154118163>>154118176>>154118215Read the thread.I specifically said that i am here to match up the show with scripture and expose what is and isn't truthful about it.I said so right here >>154116245If ya don't want me to answer question with how the show does and does not align with scripture then you should have never gotten involved in a conversation where that's the entire point.
>>154118298What happens if he’s right?
>>154118297Not in Hazbin. Lucifer groomed her. He's a pedophile.
>>154118277He's part of the schizos. It's more like an snake devouring its own tail. Locked into an eternal cycle.
>>154118314I'll be thoroughly flabbergasted. He's way off on a lot of stuff though.
>>154118333Like what?
>>154118261The King James version isn't all that trustworthy as even the people who wrote it admit that not all translations are accurate.
>>154118340Okay matpat, I know what you're doing. Reread my other comment. Unless you have leaks, creator or voice actor commentary, you don't have shit.
>>154118263I rebuke your lies and your heinous attitude you goat.If your views on scripture and the world are that cynical, pessimistic, unforgiving and judgemental then what makes you think you have any right speaking for Jesus when your actions go against His teachings?
>>154118364Going off by leaks, voice actors, or what the creator says was said to be worthless by yourself at multiple times.
The same applies to you, sinner.
>>154118273MatPat...
>>154118317Yeah I always found it kinda weird how they glossed over that fact. Lucifer literally went and say " ZAMN SHES 5 MOTHS OLD" I gotta tap that. It probably had an effect on the whole Vaggie is 7 years old meme since Charlie liking them young like her dad is pretty funny. I can imagine Lucifer telling Charlie that a woman over the age of 10 has no worth.
>>154118380Leaks from five plus years ago. But even those whole more weight than no evidence. Give me leaks or something from Zestial's VA explicitly saying he is Cain. Hand over either of those things, and your theories have credence.If you don't, you have nothing.
>>154118299Dude, i tried doing something, but in turn i keep getting banned from websites and communities.
>>154118370Two religious zealots. But at least one knows they're full of shit. The other one doesn't.
>>154118385Nah the whole Adam rape thing comes from later but still biblical works. It pretty much has Adam be raped by Lilith resulting in demons ( some versions have Asmodeus the sin of lust be their son). Some have her shape shifting as Eve and others have her charming/drugging him with her magic.
>>154118433In one he actually has an affair with Lilith after the death of Cain
>>154118386Charlie and Lucifer are kind of like pedophiles actually.
>>154118273Lilith raping Adam is part of Jewish lore by the way. This isn't just a run-of-the-mill fucked up post on 4chan.
KILL ALL NAMEFAGS.
>>154118462Viv wouldn't have the stones. But I like to entertain the idea she would. Can you imagine the shitstorm from the Lilith fags?
>>154118462Some parts of the Hazbin fandom seem to want Lilith being raped by Adam to be part of the story. Feels kinda weird when you consider there's a lot more material of her sexually assaulting him and other men( including his son Cain in some versions).
>>154118516If Viv did that, I would respect her 100%. However, that would imply a level of maturity and understanding of those topics to even tackle them in the first place. And I don't think she has that. I don't even mean that as an insult, I I truly don't think she's equipped for that sort of writing. She wouldn't know how to tackle that and she'd fumble it. Though I think it's worthy of note to say that some people do resonate with Adam, and apparently find a lot of his reactions to things very similar to a sexual assault/rape victim
>>154118425I assume you're an atheist then?
>>154117925But that doesn't explain why she doesn't mention it in the show, especially when she's sop willing to answer it outside of the show.
>>154118555It does actually because why the fuck would that need to be mentioned. It doesn't matter to the fucking story. It's not relevant. It's not important.
>>154118477I mean it could work. Adam constantly covering himself and not going anywhere without a mask. He does not show and inch of skin until his mask breaks. Him acting very sexually promiscuous in an attempt to gain control over his life (similar to angel dust and some sexual assault victims) and refusing to be submissive. Sera being suspiciously forgiving with him almost like she's feels she didn't do enough for him. His macho persona being a shield from his trauma helping him forget and deny what happened to him. You could also tie it with Asmodeus disliking rape. If he is their bio son or is a concep literally manifested from that act his whole "lust is about consent" belief could come from his origin as a byproduct of rape.
>>154118560It's symbolism important to what the character is supposed to represent is it not?
>>154118532same, and i don't think most writers are capable of it either - the attempt alone would be pretty ballsy of her, even if the result is flawed. is flawed but sincere better than none?
>>154118623From her, none is better.
Wait, people seriously want Lilith raping Adam, but they have issue with Adam raping Eve?
>>154118678I guess there's more original material for rapist Lilith. Plus Adam is admittedly kinda of a dumb simp in most stories. Perfect victim for a female rapist.
>>154118392If I can’t trust in the dialogue of the characters, theming, and design choices there would be no reason for me to talk about the show at all. I just think with the foreshadowing Abel gets about his inhumanity, Zestial fits neatly too into what Cain would be like if he was a sinner. Especially if the long feather is supposed to be (symbolically) plucked out from his first victim. Zestial doesn’t need it to be the sinister villain I think he is. It just makes him a lot more disturbing to me because I can just see his hatred by this possible context of his design.I have a lot of issues with your obsession with Lute being Eve because there is no real rhyme or reason for it in-universe yet. It’s not like Zestial where we know sinners enough to make a reasonable guess to his identity. We don’t have any potential content to how Lute could be a demon angel and Eve and be in heaven and yet be unable to say she is Eve to Adam. That is a lot bridges to cross without knowing what kind of entity Lute even is.
>>154118396Well, that is how Jesus would end up. They banned him from being alive.
>>154118678If Lilith actually rapes Adam, Lute will filet her.
>>154118852This is the kind of stuff that gets me to really like the ship.
>>154118785post the foreshadowing because the only thing that even slightly comes to mind for me is that one part right at the end of 'like you' where he looks at sir pentious all like 'ew he's crying'.
>>154118785MatPat take your medication
>>154118808Perhaps. Whe don't know how strong she is and her only confirmed ability is that of buffing others.
>>154118785Not reading all that. Abel is not Zestial. Give leaks, or commentary. If you don't, you have nothing. Peace.
>>154118852>you can borrow it but don't lose it. got this signed by the j-dog himself.
>>154118785In Universe? There is actually a lot where she can slot in and it makes sense, especially if you read the out of Canon material from Jessica, Viv, and Sam. If you had stuff like that for Zestail for and Cain, I'd be convinced. You don't. By your logic Carmilla can be Eve. So I'll just say that to make you feel better. That's how outlandish your theory is.
>>154118959Truly the Goat
Did matpat really call the Lute/Eve fag obsessed, when he has a boner for his schizo Cain/Abel fanfiction?I don't care who's Eve. But I did see and hear about that one post Lute's voice actor acknowledging this exact theory. So even that has a lot more credit than whatever the fuck Zestail being Cain shit has, which is nothing.Please tell me you all saw that. That's fucking hilarious.
When are we going to get Adam merchandise without the stupid mask
Matpat thinks he's half angel.
>>154119077Does he literally believe that? Jesus Christ.
>>154118907Adam being declared the first human soul in heaven. That thing has always been odd to me in the first season and much odder when Abel appears.Lucifer talking about the adultery he performed with Adam’s wives. An action that would result in Eve having a demon child, which normally be expected to be Cain in the myths. A child that is expected to be hated for the human one. Abel’s colorscheme fits into Lucifer’s pink and gold objects. A very relevant detail when Satan talks about Lucifer being a golden angel. So Lucifer used to have pink cheeks, golden wings, and maybe golden eyes like the ones Abel has. Not to mention the circus motive of Abel’s outfit and the similarities it has with Lucifer’s clothes.Abel’s body is completely covered up like he’s hiding something unusual about him underneath.The oddity of Adam and Abel having the same wings. Winners mainly take their appearances by what was on earth like the sinners do. So Adam having Abel’s wings could be a coincidence or an outright source for him having golden wings and eyes in heaven.It’s something I had to accept by principle because I actually really do hate the whole idea of Abel being Lucifer’s bastard child but it makes the most sense with the current lore we have.
>>154119137all i'm getting from this is adamsapple mpreg real and canon.
>>154119137No MatPat. Nobody believes your schizo theory. Viv ain't doing that shit.
>>154119198Don't bother talking to him. It's not worth it.
>>154118999> There is actually a lot where she can slot in and it makes sense, especially if you read the out of Canon material from Jessica, Viv, and Sam.Not really. Adam and Lute had history for him to recall and know of what is a different relationship from Eve. And Lute and other exorcists are naturally built to obey him and be violent that an Eve parallelism would make sense in her case.The best thing that works is the chunks of Eve thing someone suggested. But that does feel out of pocket we what we know in the lore, but Lute in general is like this so that’s fine.
>>154119200That’s fine. I wish she wouldn’t.
>>154119254She won't you absolute buffoon. Lucifer is her small uwu bean Tumblr sexymen. She ain't gonna do anything with him that's gonna make him look bad. Realistically the only rape she's touching is the male on male ( because it's the least controversial and she has a fetish for it). So no chance of that.
>>154119254She won't because that's not the plan.
>>154119234Argue all you want, the fact is Lute being Eve has a lot more backing than your theories. Again, give me official commentary from Viv, give me leaks, give me Abel or Zestial interacting with the Zestial and Cain theory. Do any of those things and I'll believe you. You don't have that. Carmilla is Eve, then. Simple.
Zestial is not CainRosie is not Lilith And Lute isn't Eve.
This all happened because of the cuck fetish OP.
>>154119298Have you thought Viv would be stupid enough to think her John Redcorn would be given extra wobbie points by being rejected by his Joseph because Joseph wouldn’t replace a dead Dale with him?
>>154119335Abel and Zestial voice actors interacting with the Zestial/Cain theory. --
>>154119372Lute is Eve. Jessica interacted with the theory. That's already more than enough.
Nifty is Eve.Eve is Adam.Roo is Cain.Sera is Lilith.
>>154119412No matpat.
>>154119421No you dingus, matpat says Zestial is Cain
>>154119432I was kidding.
>>154119382Why would they need to? People were more obsessed with fads to actually bring up big lore questions and Stump is a full on touring musician that respects his professionalism.Lute’s VA would be breaking her contract even if it turns out Lute is supposed to be paralleled with Eve but isn’t Eve in some way, shape, or form. We need to be realistic here and try to be happy with what we have.
>>154119379Nope since that tends to go against what sh wants from Lucifer. Abel isn't his Joseph. That's Charlie.
>>154119445my king was too powerful for the series to function while he lived which is the greatest compliment a character can receive i think.
>>154119475'we need to be realistic here and enjoy what we have' You have continuously shown that you are the last person to do this.
>>154119492Based
I don't know, Viv is already showing that Lilith was neglectful and arguably abusive to Charlie. Maybe Lilith isn't the happy-go-lucky perfect wife woman boss eeryone thinks she'll be. Maybe she will have in fact take an advantage of Adam in Eden.
Guys, don't argue with the schizophrenic junkie. There is no reasoning with him. Don't even make fun of him. Just ignore it and move on.
>>154119568Got it.
Why do these threads only talk about Adam Lute and adjacent characters?
>>154119540
>>154119586Because they're the only interesting things story wise. What else is there to talk about. The fuck up that is Charlie? Or the closeted deer?
>>154119586who do you want to talk about, anon?
>>154119589We can only hope. I want the Lilith yumes to go rabid at their precious girl boss being a rapist.
Rosie a cute.
>>154119445Unfathomably based. Of course they only get out of line once the Dickmaster is gone.
>>154119615she IS cute and she has a nice singing voice!
>>154119492He was definitely removed as a player from the story in a more dignified way than Lucifer since he was defeated by a superior opponent rather than put in a cosmic cuck cage.
>>154119649He was cucked twice.
>>154119645I love her!
>>154119586I think it's because they generate the most intrigue. Alastor and Vox kinda had their moment in S2( opinions are mixed after that shit show). Charlie hasn't really done anything substantial yet and keeps regressing and Vaggie's character can be summarised to just Charlie's girlfriend. Angel and Husk are nice but really don't do much. Same for Niffty and Baxter. Nobody gives a shit about Pentious and Cherri. Lucifer's performance in S2 made him look like a complete joke. Lilith hasn't done anything other than sit ominously and be vague. The rest of the heaven squad are kinda mid ( Sera, Emily and Peter).
>>154119654One of those is alleged and the first one cucked both of them.
>>154119638A version were Adam is Thragg and he's surrounded by exorcists would go hard.
>>154119669Still. The first man, first dick and balls got cucked hard. He's insignificant little bug.
>>154119687Okay Lucifer, now get back in your chair.
>>154119687Nobody cares Lucifer. Ducks are lame.
>>154115151>Emily gets injured by faggots in hell >Abel goes total sinner death to her shock and horror
>>154119677CUTE CUTE CUTE CUTE
>>154119705
>>154115859I read a fic sort of like this once. It was based. Lute forgot who she was until after Adam’s death and then gets sweet revenge.
>>154119586Despite sidelining it in Season 2, Lute's revenge arc is THE most compelling development going on right now. Charlie's major challenges have mostly been solved for her. There's the whole mystery box that is Lilith but we don't know enough about that to feel much engagement from it, and as of now the stakes for that just feel like generational trauma shit. Adam and Lute feel like the only characters who might actually do something interesting.
>>154119746Does she kill Sera?
>>154119498Nah. I see the writing on the wall and don’t bother throwing the rocks at Viv for it. Not sure how you will be since I know a lot of you have endlessly bitched and hated at the content you have been given, and then forget about it.
>>154119837Ok MatPat. You've already asked me this before. I think you want me to throw a bitch fit like you will. I won't.
>>154116008Eve hiding her identity in heaven is the easy and narratively satisfying thing or have happen. Adam dies at 930 years old, eve dies sometime before or after that which could be centuries of gap one of them is in heaven and the other fucking around on earth. Wanting a fresh start with Adam goes to with all that. Adam doesn't talk ill of eve or Lilith in show but the dynamic had to have changed between them from causing the fall of man. The narrow line speculation has to walk is how viv trying to write an actual story can twist or pretend her girl torture sequences are feminist.
>>154119768They're cute as fuck too
>>154119687Shut your mouth, you noseless clown, no matter what shitty fanfic that fat bitch wrote, you'll always be the one stomped by your brother and end up eating dirt
>>154119746>>154119794What was it called?
>>154119867See this? This is the Michael we should get in the show. None of that blue Lucifer twin crap. Make him powerful and buff.
What if the elders are like a boy band. Like Branch's brothers from trolls. Lucifer left the band. He was probably the shittiest singer.
>>154119890Nah, this would be Adam. Lol People thinking Adam is Billy Butcher. He's a pathetic welp
>>154119889Better yet have Lucifer be the only manlet. It would make it even funnier plus you could have it that people believed he was a cherub instead of a seraphim because he was so short. Since in some version he was said to be one.
>>154119850> I won't.I wish I can trust you with that. But the overly extreme reactions make me doubt any of it. I assume that if an episode comes out with a single theory of mine being true, people will rage all over it online to spit on Vivziepop. That’s the reality of it. Adam being straight caused drama. What isn’t at this point?
>>154119964Ok
>>154119911Adam isn't the type of guy to break down like that. His pre death speech literally shows that despite everything he was willing to throw down to his last moments. He literally was telling everyone how shit they were before he got stabbed. He didn't grovel or beg for forgiveness. He died with defiance. Lucifer literally accepted his fate the moment the elders decided they were done with his shit. He is definitely the type to start groveling the moment someone stronger than him shows up.
>>154119911Nah when Adam got beat to shit he doubled down on his pride and never once begged or made any concessions.
>>154120006Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot about that for some reason. Fair enough. I don't think Lucifer would though.
>>154119859adam putting the exorcists in air jail is so cute... >>154119919honestly i vibe with adam and lilith actually getting along at times no matter how they both hate it. maybe if they hadn't been forced together they could've been best bitchy friends.
>>154119911Lucifags like you don't get who you're rooting for, don't you?, he's the Prince of Lies and Absolute Bastard that absolutely wants to drag you to Hell, but you root for him because that's make you somehow edgy?
>>154117067>>154117091>Tries to avoid complex nuanced issue like children who reject God's light being in hell >Creates more, worse implications instead Many such cases Viv would likely fall back on her statements all rapists and real meanies just aren't in hell... Because ok?! but there is a whole town of cannibals cursed to eat each other so that lines seems pretty nonexistent. But cannibal child killer or not, Vaggie staying her hand and being cast down by a literal trick of the devil (fake child sinner) would be an actually interesting dynamic destroying change between her and her defense of hell.
>>154118797True.Like Jesus said, if the world hates us know that the world hated Him first.We are hated because we are not of this world, we are of Christ, and we must wait until we are united with Him in God's Kingdom.
>>154120059I root for him because between the two, he's just more appealing. Adam is not right and isn't far off either. He's a genocidal sexist maniac. That's all. He wanted to rape Lilith and because he was unsuccessful he asked for a lobotomized much younger wife. He's a fucking creep.
>>154120059I'm pretty sure most dudes that like HH Lucifer self insert as him since they view him as the suave theatre kid ( instead of the man-child creep he is ). I get the woman liking him because he's a Tumblr sexyman and get woobified by the plot.
>>154120103Nice headcanon. That shit is never mentioned in the show. You wanna be the new MatPat?
>>154120107You can say the same shit about Adam glazers. They ignore that he's a white frat boy stereotype. He's more likely to beat up his wife and rape her, thinking he didn't do anything wrong. So they're both shit.
>>154120001>He died with defiance>>154120006Can you really call it pride when it's against a bunch of demons?
>>154120123The Redditor is back. You really waited till the religious nutjob fucked off didn't you?
>>154120122Really, cuz I was just going to call you that shit matpat number 2. You want to go on a rant about how Adam is a hero? Please be my guest. It's in the show. Charlie said he demanded control but Lilith refused. And he hit on Charlie. So let's tack on pedophile while we're at it.
>>154119868There’s two fics, one is called “Hell Hath No Fury” and the other is the sequel “Like a Woman’s Scorn”, by SitaraDawn.As for the killing Sera question, no, she doesn’t.
>>154120103>He's a genocidal sexist maniacGenocide is literally not bad when it's against beings of evil.>He wanted to rape Lilith and because he was unsuccessful he asked for a lobotomized much younger wifeThis was never stated anywhere. Where are ya getting this?
>>154120123What's with you and Adam being a rapist?And what does him being white have anything to do with this?
>>154120156There it is. Who's a good Adam fag? That's you! Good job
Fuck Lucifer, Alastor, Adam. Where are the Velvet and Rosie fags
>>154120137Who ya talkin about?
>>154120141He's obviously not a hero. But he's not the literal boogie man you create in your mind. You and MatPat have the same exact problem of fucking picking the absolute extremes and somehow being stubborn enough to think your ( let's be honest) headcanon is what Viv envisioned. She's not gonna even imply half the horrid shit you mentioned because she doesn't mess with such serious topics. He's an ass obviously but he gets some humanising moments. The fact he's getting merch and some of her interviews suggest she doesn't have that much of a hate boner for him. Stop for a moment and analyse the whole picture.
Remember it's always morally ok to filter tripfags
>>154120220Tripfags?
>>154120174And yet you're unable to refute anything i said because ya know i'm right? All ya got are insults, buzzwords and thought terminating cliches.
>>154120150Oh I read it and enjoyed it. I think its one ( counting with its continuation/sequel) of the only three Lute is Eve fics I found.
>>154120123>He's rude, he's crass, he's... respectful of his exes while the wholesome devil chungus is bitter and vindictive?
>>154120217Are you done?
>>154120192Velvet is so irrelevant. I can respect liking Rosie but Velvet. Really?
Adam Agenda posting is just Lute behind her 7 proxies
I skim by these threads. How are you guys able to tell who's who? Am I missing something.
>>154120262Having him not say anything bad about his exe wifes while Lucifer actually throws shade at them is definitely interesting. Not sure if it's a case of Viv and her team not thinking things through or it's actually going to be a plot point when Lilith comes back.
>>154120277Apparently she's going to be the main vee in season 4
>>154120294We all have 4chan Gold accounts
>>154120294astral projection
>>154120288And then the ones actively hating on Adam are any of the Morningstars.
>>154120288Admittedly Adam does have a decently sized fan base of female simps. But there are probably also some dudes on the Adam agenda.
>>154120262who is this fake ripped adam? no. give him back his squish cowards...
>>154120311Why do people actually think that Adam gives two shits about Lilith. He only reacted when Eve's name was brought up.
>>154120315>Every single fuckass V gets a season to be annoying Amazing
>>154120355And they get their own spinoff. Fucking great.
>>154120363if that's confirmed then that's a soft confirmation/spoiler that none of them get redeemed, probably.
>>154120344It's less about Adam giving a shit ( he seems distant but respectful) but more on how Lilith will react when meeting Lucifer. If she treats him coldly and a actively avoids him it could tell is he goofed up big time. In all her Heaven scenes she's not wearing her wedding band.
>>154120390Which means Valentino doesn't get what he actually deserves
>>154120376>i stopped playing fortnite for this, it better be good>Gravity happens>it was good
>>154120394No he doesn't come off as 'respectful.' He doesn't come off of anything. He doesn't have a reaction which means he doesn't give a shit.
>>154120423Sometimes nothing happening and things remaining neutral is better than something bad happening to you.
>>154120455So true.
Are we getting close to the bumb limit? Anyone want to make a new thread?
>>154120455>>154120506Okay MatPat we get it
>>154120273Since that crazed anon mentioned me.I think Lilith will be Rosie in disguise and play a part with Adam since Rosie/Lilith is all about romances and pair ups. That and pretty much get Adam to end her soul contract with Eve by ending the chick.
>>154120645I'm not MatPat. You need to work on recognising him otherwise this will turn into a shit show. Anyways anybody baking a new thread or is it my duty?
>>154120704Sure mat
>>154120756Made a new one>>154120788>>154120788>>154120788
>>154120645We're not even making a theory here.
>>154120851Matpat is a Christian.
