>Niffty greets you when you enter the hotel.
>What do you look like, as a Sinner? Is it bad enough for her to jump into your arms?

>>155848249
>How the fuck did people not get that. What else do people think it meant when Charlie said that he found something else to entertain him, and then the camera pans to Lucifer?
>These are the same idiots that don't get how Lute is Eve


Because it's not about not understanding. It's about denial.
They don't want Radioapple. They don't want the Radiostatic interactions to end. They don't want their imaginary Lucilith dynamic to be invalidated. They don't want their Lute headcanon to be invalidated. They don't want their imaginary version of Eve be invalidated. They don't want their favourite ship Holyblades to be incest.

They're not missing the signs. They simply are throwing a tantrum and pretending they don't exist in the hope it's won't happen. Which is why you get such aggressive reactions when you bring that stuff up. You're forcing them back into reality and they hate it.

>>155848644
I look like a literal rat man and she wants to kill me because I'm "filthy" by her standards.

>>155848700
>Anon is essentially a Skaven.
>He hides in the sewers and boiler room of the hotel with the other Ratmen.

>>155848714
Pretty much yeah. I'm definitely skaven coded.

>>155848714
No judgment, but I find it funny how Warhammer fans are always the ones who bring up their fandom terms and lore unprompted and assume everyone else knows what it is. Everything I know about Warhammer I learned from seeing a reference and having to look up what the person meant.

>>155848777
You have triple sevens, now I have to draw a Skaven Sinner.

>>155848797
Sorry about that. Skaven are literally just furry ratmen. They're cowardly backstabbing bastards who are addicted to magic chaotical rocks which are basically currency, drugs and food among many other things. They're from the fantasy settings.

>>155848922
It's alright, I know what they are, because I've seen them come up in unrelated conversation before, ha ha.

If someone doesn't mention what franchise the reference is from it's always Warhammer.

>>155848644
i remember once making up a cockroach OC before s1 that had a jekyll and hyde thing going on. I didn't get far but I remember thinking of a 'does she want to kill him or date him or rape him' dynamic with Niffty.

>>155849091
With Niffty the answer's probably all 3

>>155848922
>>155848797
I'm not a Warhammer fan to be frank, I just have passing knowledge from all the rat memes.

Something interesting a lady who follows Looty on twitter pointed out is that the word Lute might have some supportive etymological roots.

Apparently wood in Arabic and more interesting in my opinion Lutum(which is clay in Latin and funny enough in my language it's "lut"=clay. Which is literally pronounced exactly like Hazbin Lute).

It's interesting because Adam's name has connections with dirt/earth and the colour red(somebody speculated it might be Lute's favourite colour). It's kinda funny if Eve's alternative name is literally clay which is derived usually from earth/dirt which is literally what Adam is made from in myths.


She's literally derived from Adam. A rib of dirt made into a clay woman.

>>155849419
I don't know why some people genuinely think Lute is Eve, she's gonna be Roo or some shit

>>155849419
I love this, and would love it to be intentional, but I think it might be a happy coincidence.

>>155848644
I probably look like a generic humanoid with demonic features. I hope that doesn't draw Niffty's attention to me because I do not want the literal cockroach eater touching me.

>>155849498
You are trying to hard. Cmon the trolling thing stoped being funny last thread. It's also best if you do it when the discussion is going full speed ahead. It's more subtle then.

>>155849498
Someone's trying to rustle up a delicious pirate seafood feast because this is incredible bait

>>155849540
Christianlarperanon here. That guy isn't me lol.

Listen if you want Looty to show up just ask. No need to start baiting to have her show up and explain shit.

>>155849596
Where you the "Lilith is probably Eve" guy from a couple of days ago? Like did you use that as bait?

>>155849637
No, I don't recall baiting people that way.

>>155848683
I think people genuinely miss the Lute Eve stuff, but denying that Alastor and Lucifer will have a significant relationship and screen time is pure cope. Viv literally outright said it in an interview.

>>155849667
Then it might be the same guy. His strategy seems to be "post popular but less likely theory for bait".

>>155849540
>>155849549
>anons are so wrapped up in their headcanon that they're getting trolled over it
what the fuck have i stumbled into

Gentlemen gentlemen let's go back to what's truly at hand.

Lute.

But pregnant.

Madam, but pregnant

>>155849741
>Headcanon

Bruh this has to be bait. Are you seriously calling the VA hinting at it twice headcanon? Viv literally saying Lute refers to Adam as her dead husband headcanon? Viv literally not liking any romantic Holyblades (Abel X Lute) headcanon and not a sign? Literally Gravity and how all the interviews line up for Lute being Eve? Deadass point me to the evidence for the other theories.

>>155849798
You, but pregnant

>>155849741
Welcome to hazbin /co/, we have one topic. Now talk about Lute and Adam or else.

>>155849862
We rape you

>>155848644
I havent done any particularly good sins yet, and i hope i havent managed a carmically ironic death related to them, so id probably look pretty basic. I guess ill be partly mechanical, i think if i die early it will be from doing something stupid tinkering with a machine. Id bet good money ill be missing an eye

Can we rape Charlie instead?

>>155849741
You get used to it.

>>155849852
>Are you seriously calling the VA hinting at it twice headcanon?
reciepts
>Viv literally saying Lute refers to Adam as her dead husband headcanon?
Lute doesn't have to be Eve to be unhealthily attached to Adam
> Viv literally not liking any romantic Holyblades (Abel X Lute) headcanon and not a sign
She can obviously not enjoy a ship without Lute being Abel's mother you schizoid, don't you think we'd have ANYTHING written between them to hint at Abel falling out her cooch?
>Literally Gravity and how all the interviews line up for Lute being Eve
Nigger Gravity shows that she was in love with Adam, she doesn't have to be fucking Eve to do that. Are you trolling or retarded.

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>>155849935
>Lute somehow got Adama pregnant.
How...?

>>155849948
Life, uh, finds a way

>>155849961
>David Goldsblum in Hazbin Hotel.
>He's not even dead, he's just there.

I want Charlie to redeem me by making me wear diapers and a sailor suit so I'm her little guy

>>155849924
>reciepts
Go read the master document.
https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2097058277192528194

Anyways Charlie is definitely part Roo.

The diaper fetishist is here. Abort. Get the bazooka.

>>155849980
Kys

if lute was eve viv would have done something by now

>>155850013
For once, she's holding restraint.

>sudden bitching
>diaper falseflagging
Are we being raided? lol

>>155850000
I still get a little confused about the theory of needing Roo to make Charlie possible, though. Couldn't Lucifer just make a Charlie like the highly complex, powerful, and sentient life he's made before?

>>155850031
>viv
>restraint
are you sure

>>155850037
I think we might. That's a first. Let's remain on topic.

Has anyone here ever ventured into online fan comics that are dubbed over?

>>155850070
I think comic fandubs are a waste of time, I'd rather just read the comic myself.

>>155850059
Maybe. I do wonder if a Craster situation. Lilith asks Lucifer to create the kid. He makes her with magic. Lilith takes her and lets Roo do something to her. Brings her back without Lucifer knowing anything.

>>155850000
LUCIFER made CHARLIE by CUMMING in LILITH's WHORE PUSSY in TEN SECONDS. You don't need Roo for that, especially since lucifer tricked her with the apple

>>155849924
Genuinely check that shit or fuck off fag.

>>155850101
Ok it's either a troll or we got ourselves a new fag. If it's the second we literally discussed this shit months ago. Wait for someone to bring you up to speed.

Looty I summon you.

>>155850140
It's obviously a troll

>>155850111
post itt or cope

>>155850095
I also think Lilith would have to be the reason for the Roo involvement if that's a thing and Lucifer didn't necessarily know. The question is why. Something to do with the infertility theory?

You know something's up because Viv dances around the parentage question all the time. There's definitely something off with Charlie's birth because why did they wait so long and why didn't Lucifer just do it himself once they decided they wanted a kid after thousands of years?

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>>155850224
>deleted
Either A, she was wrong, or B, Lute isn't Eve but could be connected in some way, which could be interesting considering Roo either is Eve or is also deeply connected to Eve.

>>155850214
>>155850224
Second incident was Looty sending a friend to talk to Jessica Vosk at a con table.
She asked what Lute thought of Eve and Vosk said she wasn't able to answer that.
Then she said she thought Lute was Eve and Vosk immediately fistbumped her.
>>155850272
She has used the same emoji when giving actual spoilers before, like Vaggie sparing Lute in a fight.

Looty has a network of people willing to undertake her dirty work in pursuit of her single hyper-specific goal

>>155850272
Roo being Eve was debunked. Roo is just the Embodiment of evil or the evil goddess of the Hazbin setting (there's a good one called Ray of hope who's the opposite of the Root of Evil). As for Lute being Eve Jessica actually confirmed it twice. Somebody asked some questions if Eve's past was important to Lute and she couldn't answer them because spoilers. When said fan told her she believed Lute was Eve Jessica fist bumbed her.

>>155850291
I genuinely don't see how we would get 'she is 100% the same person' from these posts alone, especially since we've had lute for two whole seasons with no in-show evidence. Like I'd accept.. I don't know, her being made from Eve's clay or some shit over her being Eve herself.

Especially since Roo is obviously either going to be Eve or related to Eve in some fashion

>>155850359
Have you read through the master document yet? I recommend you read that first.
Not even the old Chai leaks said Eve was Roo by the way, in fact they explicitly said she wasn't.

Adding on to this Viv had liked art of Abel and Lute but only in familial setting where she's basically his mom(even liked a piece where she gets called weekend mom). Other than that she never liked any romantic piece with the two. Keep in mind she has liked art of all sorts of ships. Random ass ones. Toxic ones. Non canon sexuality ones. But never this. Remember how she clarified Andre was Stella's brother so people would stop shipping them? Yeah.

>>155850272
>deleted
She got NDA'd.

>>155850359
>I genuinely don't see how we would get 'she is 100% the same person' from these posts alone, especially since we've had lute for two whole seasons with no in-show evidence. Like I'd accept.. I don't know, her being made from Eve's clay or some shit over her being Eve herself.

Because in classic Viv fashion she thinks she has masterfully set it up while in truth you only figure this shit out if you dig like a literal mole. Which is very on brand for Viv's writing incompetent. The evidence is there. Is it set up properly in the show? No. Normally this would be a counter point except she literally does this shit all the time. She doesn't set up crap properly and proceeds to explain it in tweets or commentary tracks.

>>155850327
Suely Eve staring down at the very item that brought sin into the world, with her smile glowing the same blood red as the apple, which was focused on by the scene, means nothing. There's objectively more here storywise for Eve to be/connected to Roo.
>>155850390
Then it's more likely to be that she's connected to/is made from Eve rather than actually being 100% the same person. Why go with the option that makes less sense?

>>155850472
Lute!Eve will be connected to Roo in the sense that she's going to work with her (and be manipulated heavily by her just like in the old days). I won't be surprised if they put a toxic yuri spin on it too, probably from Roo's side.

>>155850514
I wouldn't be surprised if Roo is Eve's 'spirit' and Lute is her recycled flesh or something like that, considering both seem to be connected to Eve.

>>155850472
Anon, Vivziepop confirmed that the images of Roo, the woman with the hat, are just Roo. That's not Roo possessing Eve it's just Roo.

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>>155850514
>I won't be surprised if they put a toxic yuri spin on it too, probably from Roo's side

Let's be realistic this is just your personal wish. Viv might have them work together but you're not getting any Yuri action. The Queen of Fujos forbades it.

>>155850568
She got that GYAT

>>155850543
That's what I said, if Lute is Eve then Roo is 95% also going to be Eve in a similar way.

>>155850620
Roo is an ancient eldritch god of Evil who predates Eve's creation by millenia.

>>155850651
i'm sure the singular scene we have with Eve means absolutely nothing and has no significance. C'mon man, I'm trying to find a way for your theory to work

>>155850685
>"I'm trying to find a way for your theory to work"
>Literally believes Roo is Eve


Viv can literally spoil the entire show and it wouldn't make a difference at this point. Fucking grim.

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Actually, speaking of Eve's singular scene did anyone notice she seems to have a cowlick at the back of her head like Lute does? It's either that or her head is shaped very strangely.

>>155850793
It has as much possibility of being canon as Lute literally being the same exact person as Eve. Genuinely argue against Roo being Eve's spirit or something while Lute is her body.

>>155850833
>Genuinely argue against Roo being Eve's spirit
At a recent convention Vivziepop explained that Roo is one of the two main gods in the Hellaverse. She is a god of Evil and she is irredeemable, because she represents the concept of Evil itself. She appears in the storybook before Eve is created. The creator of the show has explained what she is. She is much older than Eve, and she is not Eve's 'spirit'. There has never been a single leak, credible or not, that claimed Roo was Eve. The concept was popularized by a fan wiki 'Hazbin Hotel: Journey to the Light" that often got pushed above the actual Hazbin wiki in Google search results.

>>155850922
so essentially, this has as much evidence as Lute-Eve, considering both theories run on scraps

>>155850922
>'Hazbin Hotel: Journey to the Light"


Anybody actually knows the plot of that mess? Never bothered checking what insanity it's born out of.

>>155850951
Not really no.

>>155850951
>Literally debunked by Viv
>Vs
>Actual VA and creator supporting evidence which lines up and has zero contrary evidence


Just tell us at this point if you love Roo=Eve art or fanfics so we know if we're dealing with someone understandable or someone so attached to an idea that the discussion is worthless.

>>155849498
Not trying hard enough. Come on man. If you're going to be a troll, do it right. Also doesn't help that they've debunked this. But go on, try harder

This is enrichment for you schizos, be honest you love this

>>155850214
How are you going to not read a fucking document. The 4chan posts have character limits. It's literally put on there for you. You don't even have to read any summaries or input. It's all linked in the document. Lazy ass motherfucker.

>>155851019
I don't even like the concept of Roo and think she's retarded and Vivzie's writing surrounding her is so shit that the average indian would ejaculate on reading it. I'm just not married to the idea of lute being eve pretending to be someone else or whatever. IF she is Literally Eve, she's more likely to be a rehash of Eve's clay/flesh/essence than literally being the same person.

>>155850359
>I genuinely don't see how we would get 'she is 100% the same person' from these posts alone,

>Jessica literally confirmed she's Eve.

Also, mind you, she said that Lute is not who we think she is. She said this 2 years ago.

>>155851028
If he's actually trolling this is the most nothing burger target ever. We literally haven't done anything other than explain again what we've been discussing so far. Literally just a recap.

This is the equivalent of "trolling" your teacher by lying you didn't understand the last lesson and having him explain it again. You're not trolling the guy if that's literally his job. He literally signed up for this. High chance your trolling just means somebody is just gonna remember that info for a longer period of time or somebody who didn't understand the first time gets it now.

>>155850543
No you stupid fucking idiot. Roo Is the embodiment of evil. And no, that doesn't mean she's Eve, it means she's the god of evil. This is very much a thing in the show that Viv has talked about before. In the very show, it says that heaven has been fighting against evil for however long before they ever even created. Adam, Lilith and Eve. roo literally cannot be Eve

Try harder

>>155851101
The show doesn't have enough time to do all that AND have Eve come in as a separate character to do a rehash of Lute's plot.

>>155850685
It does mean something. It means lute/Eve is going to turn to her for help. Nobody in heaven is listening to her. Come on monkey. Think. Why do you think she's covered in red blood in season 1. Why do you think we get that half obscured face in shadow in season 2? She's Eve. You're going to get your Eve Roo, just not in the way you think

>>155851101
>Vivzie's writing surrounding her is so shit that the average indian would ejaculate on reading


It's one of the trash thread bitches. Don't bother with him. Those guys are media illiterate incarnate.

>>155851176
Do they normally just hop on other threads to try and badly troll?

>>155851124
>>Jessica literally confirmed she's Eve.
Didn't happen. There are multiple ways to take this
>Lute is somehow literally eve and is either pretending or Viv somehow sunk even lower to include an amnesia plot she never even set up
>Lute is somehow related to Eve, despite not being the same exact person. She could be a clone, a rehash with Eve-parts, but she isn't the 100% same person

I'm not going to insult your intelligence by pretending the first option is likely, so I believe in the latter. Genuinely my theory makes more sense than Eve larping with a new name.

Lucky for you guys not only am I a Lute/Eve schizo (by the way, I'm hoping to have that season 2 commentary thread up later tonight), I'm also very much a pro Roo/Evil fan and trying to keep up with everything that's been said about her as well.

Call me Schrodinger's Lute/Eve theorist I guess. I don't mind if Eve/Lute and Lucifer fucked, I don't really care about Adam/Lute, and I love the whole embodiment of Evil / Roo. I'm a multi-trick pony babes.

>>155851204
They complain about us occasionally and they are attached to their headcanon enough to have such reactions. Like I'm not sure if he's trolling or years of that general have rotted his brain when it comes to this show.

>>155851205
No, there actually isn't. She engaged with the theory directly, not some vague posts about Eve and Lute standing in the same room. And then she fist bumped an attendee who said they suspected she's Eve. If you want to give a neutral answer on that, she could have shrugged or said nothing. Don't pretend you don't know what a fist bump is.

But you know, cope you like.

>>155851205
Yes yes, dear. Of course it does. You've debunked the entire thing. I, Looty, have changed my mind and will change my account ASAP. It's over you guys, Roo is Eve. This guy convinced me. I am but a plebeian of low intelligence

>>155851237
> I don't mind if Eve/Lute and Lucifer fucked

I fucking hope not. Luckily Viv's fujo heart gives me hope. She'll keep her uwu gay baby away from those foul women. Adam can have that filth for all she cares.

>>155851273
>>155851291
Notice how I'm objectively giving a secondary idea that fits all the (admttedly vague) evidence for Lute and Eve being somehow related and you haven't actually debunked any bit of it

>>155851322
Multiple people did? You don't even want to read the sources. There's no summary on there, there's no personal input. It's all put there nicely for you with timestamps, dates and links. But you don't want to. Also Roo/Eve has been debunked officially by Viv. But you just keep side stepping and think you're doing something so smart. Cope. Rifle through to the evidence, and then get back to us.

You stepped in the wrong thread. This isn't your ordinary schizo thread. Make note of that

Guys just ignore the trash fag at this point. He'll fuck off back there and complain. Probably gonna post his favourite type of porn (curious on what characters he likes to see fuck).

>>155851344
ai-generated response aside, we've moved on from the Eve/Roo connections and are focusing on Eve/Lute. Please tell me why I should believe that Eve is literally the same person as Lute who's either just lying about it or genuinely forgot, instead of Lute being Eve's remaster/clone or something of that sort. I'm waiting.

Don't pick a fight with /trash/ you retards. This thread is usually okay only because it's its own completely separate fucking thing. This is just one dude.

>>155851369
>>155851396
Ditto. This is either TransLute or some dude who's really bored.

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When is he coming back?

>>155851452
In season 5 when he returns heavily pregnant with Lute!Eve's eggs.

>>155851782
will he have huge tits?

>>155851886
Naturally. In fact he's missing from the show right now because he's busy building a nest suitable for Lute's offspring.

I need Charlie to get mogged by everyone ever slightly curvier than her.

The Good goddess thought it would be funny to teach Adam a lesson about pregnancy after all that sexist shit he was saying in the S2 finale

You know people are in denial when they refuse to read the sources that prove them wrong.

>>155852030
We know more about Roo/Evel than Good (other than her name being potentially Ray). There has been even less mention of her in and out of the show. I already don't trust here. There's some foreshadowing in season 1 that she's not that good

>>155852030
Actually that would be more fitting for Abel

>>155852050
Adam throwing his copy of What To Expect When You're Expecting at a wall

I like how Looty's document is color coded.

>>155852080
Abel and Adam will be impregnated by Emily and Lute respectively

>>155852104
I like how it doesn't even have her personal opinions on each link like some other theorists have their docs or threads. It's literally just the sources. v nice

>>155852186
If she's gonna give her personal opinions on things she's either gonna do it here or on twitter. Which is the right choice. You raise interest with the objective factual information and the curious people will show up for your independent segregated takes.

>>155851988
that sounds nice.

>>155852341
When he's brooding Adam fills his nest with any soft fabrics he can find as well as plants that remind him of Eden. He'll insulate any gaps with feathers taken from his own wings while molting.

Guys my autism is flowing.
What if Adam had the Ashbringer?
Could Lute face Manus, Father of the Abyss?
Could Charlie redeem Pol Pot?

>>155849419
viv already said they choose the name lute because in the script she just went by lieutenant because she never had a name
you're forgetting who is writing for this show

>>155856254
I think anyone referring to the luteal phase, the lut=clay thing or the instrument are all coping. It's literally just short for Lietuenant. Adam wouldn't know the random phase of the menstrual cycle.

>>155848683
I see I picked a terrible time to post with all the trolling going on but oh well. So I haven't posted in here in months but I've been lurking since all the Heaven talk started. I just wanted to say most people who don't want RadioApple to happen don't really care about Lilith or even Lucifer like that. Aside from people who like rival ships, for those of us that love Alastor we just don't want to see his character get ruined. I'm not really sure how you guys got this idea that anti RAs are out to get you on the Lute = Eve thing. I can't stand RA and I'm really interested in the Lute = Eve theory but all this RadioApple talk is losing me pretty bad. I'm curious why a lot of you guys think it has to happen for Lute/Eve to be valid...

>>155856910
>I'm not really sure how you guys got this idea that anti RAs are out to get you on the Lute = Eve thing.
Because that's been our collective experience. Nobody was targeting you on a personal level.

>I can't stand RA and I'm really interested in the Lute = Eve theory but all this RadioApple talk is losing me pretty bad.
Okay. Are we supposed to care.

>I'm curious why a lot of you guys think it has to happen for Lute/Eve to be valid...
We don't. It's just the setup for Lucifer/Alastor is obvious.

>>155857001
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, sorry if it came off that way. I probably didn't word it right but I really am just mostly curious what RadioApple has to do with Lute/Eve because I see it talked about a lot in here.

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>>155857090
I can’t speak for anyone else, but in my personal experience as someone who loves the Lute/Eve theory, most of the pushback I’ve encountered has come from radioapple fans who strongly believe (or simply really want) the Lilith/Eve wife-swap theory to be true. Again, that’s purely based on what I’ve personally encountered. But no, Lucifer/Alastor has nothing to do with whether Lute is Eve. They’re completely separate theories and plotlines; one being true or false has no bearing on the other.

>>155856910
Not wanting something to happen has no bearing on it potentially being something that will happen. It has nothing to do with Lute Eve beyond being another hinted at future plot that is often vehemently denied because of personal feelings or rival ships.

That's usually why it comes up here, particularly for people doing deeper dives to figure out the future plots and reveals of the show in the name of Lute or whoever. If there are RA shippers on /co/ they are very few in number. Most people who talk about it here, even if they think it will happen, either don't care or even don't care for it.

>>155857184
>most of the pushback I’ve encountered has come from radioapple fans who strongly believe (or simply really want) the Lilith/Eve wife-swap theory to be true.
Ah, that makes sense. I don't really go too deep into theories like that normally but I've seen that mentioned on here, didn't know they were the ones pushing back because of that. I find Lute/Eve to be much more plausible and I love how passionate everyone is in here about it.
>>155857209
>Not wanting something to happen has no bearing on it potentially being something that will happen.
Oh yeah trust me I know. I'm not saying RadioApple will or won't happen, just expressing my dislike for it. I think I just misunderstood you guys discussing it in relation to the overall show, thinking it was something that played into the Lute/Eve stuff. Sorry about that.

I'll be posting the Lute audio clips soon but I did want to let you guys know, they comment specifically on the scene with Abel and Lute in the season finale, when she storms away. There is "a lot of implications" in that scene of "what's to come".

>>155859563
Really?

>>155859625
Yes, I had to double check my hearing and compare it to the actual episode in another tab. If you strain, they pause after Pentious gets the letter, and you hear the music when Lute puts on the helmet. That's the part they comment on (you hear Charlie going 'Overall...' blah blah)

Very funny. Since that's what Jessica has said too, that she's seen of 'what's to come with Lute'

Hah. She's totally Eve.

>>155857706
Yeah I think you misunderstood me. My dig was at the at the large majority of the Hazbin fandom which ignores/pretends something won't happen despite there being evidence for it because they don't like. You can hate RA. I have no problems with that. I actually think if you hate it you should complain that it's happening. What I don't like is people deluding themselves and pretending that it won't happen. Call it shit and complain about Viv. That's the more honest and proper reaction.


Same thing for Lute=Eve. You can hate this concept. Doesn't mean it's not happening. People's main counter argument for this theory is " I wouldn't like if they did that" which isn't a fucking argument. You not liking something doesn't mean it's not happening but because they don't like it they don't even entertain the theory by looking at the evidence. I'm fine if you hate Lute=Eve but your reaction shouldn't be "it's definitely not happening because I don't like that idea and it ruins my favourite ship/headcanon." its should be "For fucks sake Viv! Why couldn't you just make her Eve from the start so we knew not to get invested in another one of your shitty rendition of biblical characters? We already know you're gonna fumble whatever storyline you want for the bitch."

>>155859779
Yes, this is correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56t6UBJIjM&list=RDG56t6UBJIjM

>>155860108
Away with your AI slop, fiend. Note the superior version: https://youtu.be/AwjFU7OtzVE

>>155859654
Viv also liked a post on bsky stating how what Abel did was meant to be 'morally questionable': https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2107658075134169266/photo/1

If Lute really is Eve, I wonder what this is supposed to mean? Is Abel going to help in having his parents redeemed?

>>155860497
I'm not sure about all that redemption business but I definitely take it as "calling your mom a bitch" isn't something you should do.

>>155848364

This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS

>>155856910
Reiterating what everyone is saying: nobody here ships or is invested in Radioapple. I don't think anyone here is even particularly invested in Alastor although you are free to talk about him. Radioapple comes up for a couple of reasons. Most notably because it got one of those 'ship sigils' Guitarspear also had so we were schizoing out trying to figure out what that meant. People were interested in the Guitarspear aspect and/or what that meant for Lute being Eve or not and because Radioapple gets much more discussion in the wider fanbase than Guitarspear we were delving into that for more information on those sigils.

If that sounds schizo then it is but Twitter Radiostatics were doing the opposite thing when their hoodie came out and there was no sigil: wading into the Guitarspear tag and talking about how noncanon Guitarspear is unprompted just to prop up how it didn't matter their hoodie had no sigil.

>>155860635
Quiet, Nolan

Wait, so Viv had Spindle animate most of Gravity instead of Bento or Doghead because it was important to her that the scene came out perfectly?

>>155860901
Hush now, it doesn't mean anything. She just wants to give Random Exorcist #0329443 the spotlight. It doesn't mean much.

Eve is going to be one of Viv's pookies based on everything she's said about her before

The sheer granular control Vivzie had over Gravity (which she doesn't normally have apparently) suggests everything in it is deliberate on her part and we should be analyzing all the shit like the rib shaped shard.

>>155860941
Have you listened to the Lute clips from the Season 2 commentary? Viv keeps emphasizing that nobody is listening to Lute and how weirdly relatable she is. Then Jessica previously said Lute is “relatable in ways we don’t understand yet.” Hm. Methinks Eve, not Lilith, is going to be your average-Jane feminist icon whose experiences we’re actually supposed to relate to through mundane shit like dealing with workplace dynamics, feeling unheard, being misunderstood, repressing your emotions, etc. Meanwhile, Lilith gets to be the Miss Independent, Need No Man™ feminist icon.

>>155860975
So then why make Lute’s audition song “Salute” by Little Mix, which almost sounds more fitting for Lilith? Is Viv setting Eve up to eventually realize that Adam was, in fact, kind of a fucking bozo and that she doesn’t need him to have an identity of her own?

>>155860975
I rewatched the show with the commentary yesterday. I agree, I think this is where this is all going. I loved when Viv likened Lute being stopped by Abel in the finale to her going to post on Twitter and being told off by her friends lol

>>155860974
>which she doesn't normally have apparently
Doesn’t she, though? I’m pretty sure she’s been able to contribute her skills and input to other songs and scenes. What intrigues me is that she specifically had SH animate “Gravity.” I’m not entirely sure what that entails, but I assume it gave her more direct, one-on-one creative license over the sequence?

>>155860988
Doubt it because he's not the thing crushing her down right now. In fact she's screaming at the world that he's important to her and nobody is listening, it would almost be like invalidating her feelings and opinions

>>155861013
No, no I agree, I guess I'm just confused. Because he's the only one that respected and supported. Why give her such a Lilith-coded song?

>>155861025
Because her plot will be feminist anyway. She's oppressed by the system, soon she won't be.

The impression I get is Viv identifies a lot with Lute and hopes the audience will identify with her too.

>>155861075
You would think she'd talk about her a loooot more. Lute weirdly enough seems like a combo of Vaggie and Charlie respectively. Charlie because nobody listens to her as a woman, and then Vaggie for the secret identity and dealing with trauma.

>>155860988
>Is Viv setting Eve up to eventually realize that Adam was, in fact, kind of a fucking bozo and that she doesn’t need him to have an identity of her own?


Personally I don't think so. For one she seems to actually like the ship and they get a decent amount of merch which wouldn't happen if she wanted to scream "this is bad and wrong". Second is Viv literally mentioned how Adam is the only person who ever supported Lute. That makes me think that Adam was never the problem for her(which does explain her grief over his death).

>>155861096
I agree with you, I'm just really confused by the song choice.

>>155861081
She might start talking about her more post-reveal.

>>155861118
>>155861081
Viv also said she doesn't like secrets or what have you to be dragged on long. I could be misremembering. But it was something like that regarding Vaggie's whole thing. I wonder if that applies to Lute.

>>155861112
Again I think the beta Lute/Eve maybe had that angle where she hated Adam or at least didn't love him and Viv decided to change it. This does explain the rise of GuitarSpear and the addition of GS supporting scenes (Adam's death smile and the hallucination Adam).

>>155861136
I'm fairly confident that if it's happening then it's happening in Season 3.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13QvjdHsQW6WHKgpeYjnFGC115iViWsMj/view

Reel me back in if I’m being too schizo here, but Skye says, “Lute’s got that ‘I never got to tell you.’ She’s got more.” and then Viv adds, “She has a reason.”

Am I reading too much into that, or does it sound like they’re implying there’s something more behind Lute’s feelings that we don’t know yet? Or are they simply reinforcing that Lute’s feelings for Adam are the reason?

It's easy to forget, especially since Season 2 was Vee filler, that the Eden story is supposed to be the core of the show. What happened to Eve, the secret of how Charlie was born, these are the true big questions this show is going to tackle. So it doesn't surprise me that Viv would require her best animators for Gravity and would want to monitor the development of that scene closely.

It also surprised me that Viv did NOT think of Brighter as one of her big setpieces and didn't go into it with a specific garnd vision

>>155861178
Yes this stood out to me too, they didn't say love confession or anything like that, they repeated the same open ended question word for word

>>155861207
Right? That's precisely what I was thinking. Given that he is one of her blorbos, I would assume she'd go all out for his backstory but according to the commentary, she didn't have a vision, and was a very 'meh' about it. Obviously she loved the end result, but she wasn't really pushing for anything In particular. Meaning Vox, I assume kind of like Lucifer and Al, is very self-indulgent, and she can do whatever she wants with him without affecting the story. Whereas characters like Eve or Lilith, she has to go all out to match whatever her vision is to a tee Whereas characters like Eve or Lilith, she has to go all out to match whatever her vision is to a T

>>155861228
Oh my fuck, my phone had a stroke.

>>155861228
Vox is ultimately not that important to the PLOT of Hazbin Hotel, he will be a closely examined CHARACTER with many arcs of his own but you could also remove him and the rest of the show would tick along.

What if one of the reasons Lute is so loyal to Adam is she ate the apple because Lucifer and Lilith made her doubt whether she genuinely loved Adam or if she just lacked free will. Then she found when she ate it she loved him anyway and she feels like she doomed all mankind for her moment of doubt.

>>155861522
>Eve had as much free will as Lilith all along
>Lucifer and Lilith just don't believe it because they don't understand how someone could love Adam of their own volition

>Lucifer gaslit Eve into thinking she was some kind of automaton with no free will
Fuck. It would track with the theme of nobody listening to her.

>>155861660
Lucifer really doesn't give a fuck about Adam or Eve, to be honest.

>>155861522
>>155861590
Yup.

>>155861667
Yup. Don't know why the fandom pretends otherwise.

>>155849419
This is too smart for these writers

>>155861590
>>155861660
Thing is I wonder even if she didn't have free will and the apple actually gave it to her they were still disappointed.

Could tie into his "I gave them free will and look what they've done with it". He gave the apple to Eve with the expectation she would leave Adam and probably do what he and Lilith said. And what did she do? Stay with Adam and literally just perform what the angels wanted her to do (because she wanted to do that regardless).

Lucifer only did this because he wanted a very specific scenario and immediately considered her a lost cause the moment things turned out differently. Explains why he never bothered with what she was doing. His whole "free will" thing was less about actually doing good and more of a man-child "I wanna see what happens" then immediate disinterest.

>>155849498
>>155849741
Can't believe people actually fell for this bait enough for it to continue for over a dozen posts.

>>155861757
We are monkeys and those posts were frozen fruit thrown in our enclosure for enrichment.

We need a Chad Eve Vs Virgin Lilith meme for S3 and have them be on scale with a little chad Lute/Eve and a tall virgin Lilith.

>>155861748
>He gave the apple to Eve with the expectation she would leave Adam and probably do what he and Lilith said. And what did she do? Stay with Adam and literally just perform what the angels wanted her to do (because she wanted to do that regardless).
This.

>Lucifer only did this because he wanted a very specific scenario and immediately considered her a lost cause the moment things turned out differently.
This feels very clear to me in the show, but I genuinely wonder whether Viv knows that’s how Lucifer comes across and is doing it intentionally, or if she thinks she’s portraying his whole “free will” thing as genuinely altruistic and will eventually frame his apparent disinterest as him burying feelings that were actually there all along, especially since she’s confirmed that he buries everything.

>>155861818
Here: https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2101861297587699969

That's what has me concerned. It'll turn out that he was just burying his trauma and he DOES actually care about Adam and Eve.

>>155861791
Chadlet

>>155861830
>That's what has me concerned. It'll turn out that he was just burying his trauma and he DOES actually care about Adam and Eve.


God i fucking hope not because it feels like last minute "Look guys, Lucifer actually cares about Adam and Eve and feels sorry for what he did. Don't blame the small uwu sad bean" which looks incredibly disingenuous when Adam got stabbed and he didn't gave a shit and all the shit Eve had to go through thanks to his stupidity. Like I'm not saying it's impossible but I'm dreading it.

>>155861919
Do you guys really think Viv would do that? I thought she was being very purposeful about showing Lucifer as an uncaring asshole. Especially since she said that thing on Twitter or bluesky I think, where she confirmed that he only cares about his family and the sins. He doesn't care about anything else.

>>155861925
>where she confirmed that he only cares about his family and the sins. He doesn't care about anything else.

Where? Pls link this, it's such amazing ammunition against Morningstar glazers.

Gonna draw Niffty as a maid. A FRENCH maid.

>>155862338
Ok

>>155856910
We push up Radioapple because we dislike Adamsapple and think it has funny implications for Lucifer and Lilith's relationship. You've found the one corner of the fanbase where Alastor and the other rival Alastor ships are the least important part of the equation.

>>155862412
Yeah. Ship Symbiosis. GS doesn't beef with RA and RA doesn't beef with GuitarSpear. RA actually helps GS since it removes the offending Adamsapple element which probably goes both ways.

>>155862584
Yes.
>>155856910
>I'm not really sure how you guys got this idea that anti RAs are out to get you on the Lute = Eve thing.
On the contrary, the person who contacted Hot Topic and got them to change the Radioapple shirt description was an AdamsApple shipper who hates Guitarspear and rants about Guitarspear shippers often. Alastor wasn't the part they were interested in. It's kind of an 'enemy of my enemy' thing.

Guys maybe I'm going a bit crazy person here but:

>"Goth" looking Chick with bob cut
>Loyal and focused on her duty
>Trying to "redeem" herself
>Competent compared to everyone else
>Wants respect and to be listened to
>Is belittled or ignored by her superiors
>Had her entire life screwed by something that wasn't her fault
>Hyper aware compared to those around her
>Has anger issues
>Belong to a system which doesn't acknowledge her abilities and dedication

And

>Guy with medium length style hair styled back
>Egotistical idiot
>Objectively deluded by his own hype
>Incompetent by comparison
>Comic relief and failure prone
>Genuinely believes people respect and adore him
>Is actually hated by everyone in the system he belongs to
>Constantly insults others while never seeing his own flaws
>Might have contributed to her having her life screwed

Is GuitarSpear just Zim x Tak?

Anyway yeah I don't think this thread has anything against Alastor fans and I feel bad for anyone who doesn't want him to be stuck in Radioapple prison. Just got to remember there's an 'Apple' part in 'Radioapple'.

Is one of you guys bullying the Holyblades retard on twitter?

>>155861207
That song always pissed me off because it felt unnecessary and about bloating the soundtrack and screentime with more Vox even though it adds no substance and doesn't even tell us anything meaningfully new about the character. Everything more I hear about it makes me feel vindicated. Not shocked at all Viv had no vision for it.

I'm not excited for the Vox focus at all because I don't trust that it will actually strengthen the themes of the show enough to justify itself. Right now I consider it pure indulgence of the writers obsessed with him.

>>155861818
>>155861830
I think the thing is, Lucifer seemingly has no real way of knowing what became of Adam and Eve after the apple. The apparent next time he saw Adam post-Eden, he was a plump Heaven higher up who was gunning for his kid so it's not like he got the idea of any suffering (which is still hypothetical at this point). The opposite, really.

He may think Eve was ultimately similar. I don't get a sense he got a glimpse of what was happening on Earth after Eden based on his punishment. He may only see humans who arrived in Hell.

I think we don't know enough. But Lucifer definitely isn't the type to feel guilty over a maybe-suffering without being smacked in the face with it.

>>155863522
No, they're capable of bullying themself

>>155863689
I'm just asking cuz it seems they're getting trolled and they're gonna have a meltdown.

>>155863700
Well, if the bully is from here, which I doubt honestly, lay off. Patience. You'll get the meltdown you want in Season 3.

>>155863651
Understandable but still just have him not give a shit. Have him justify it with "they always been assholes so I don't care". Like you don't even need Charlie to address this. I'm fine with it. Just don't turn it into "Lucifer cared".

>>155863713
Exactly. Currently it's not doing us any favours and might cause problems for Looty. Save the bullying for S3. That's the optimal moment. Not only do you look justified but you also get to rub it in with a classic "we literally told you so".

>>155863722
I don't think there's anything that could be revealed about Adam's suffering that will make Lucifer care after he tried to kill his daughter. People hoping he'll soften or feel punished about Adam are probably kidding themselves.

Eve's suffering will probably get to him but again, only after he's forced to face it. Not necessarily a he was guilty all along about Eve specifically deal. Confronting how he's hurt people without resorting to more wallowing over it is likely going to be core to his arc.

>>155863737
This isn't Looty's responsibility like, at all. She's not responsible for the behaviour of randoms.

I WANT TO EAT LOOTY NOM NOM.

>>155863836
Holyblades retard...

>>155863819
Yes but the Holyblades retards are obviously gonna go for the most obvious target even if she didn't do anything. I don't want her to get pestered by the fuckers because they have issues.

>>155863902
Then she should just make some post like, 'hey, people are telling me someone's going around spamming ask boxes with this theory, don't do that' and leave it at that.

On the holyblades thing... (4chan would not let me quote the comments, for some reason. But anyway:)

Not me. I don't do that sort of thing. Frankly, I stay away from ship spaces I don't care for. I hope I've cultivated a reputation that although I'm an annoying plot, I keep to myself. I don't go on other posts to spam my shit, so that may be helping me? I'm sure they would love it to be me. But I'm pretty sure they've gotten these same anns before.

>>155863999
Nobody thinks it's you, don't worry.
If this theory comes true there'll be loads of fireworks to watch without anyone lifting a finger. Let's just wait and see.

>>155863999
They'd love it to be you because they hate that the stuff you post is so solid. Notice how they're crying about exposing the kind of person 'you and your friends are'. They are desperate for the Lute Eve thing to be a tight knit little clique of friends instead of assorted random unconnected people who just enjoy a theory.

Lol one of the people who 'harassed' the holyblades guy just admitted they ship holyblades, don't like Lute!Eve and just come across wrong because they're an autismo

>>155865434
Lmao link please

>>155865489
https://x.com/lokevas/status/2109695503399072121

Looty is officially a boogeyman to these people, I kneel

Guys, did I miss something, or exorcists have absolutely no magic? I mean, Vaggie doesn't actually help stop the cannon like others do, and I don't remember Lute using any magic either (tho maybe because of too little screen time)

Why the fuck do even sinners have more power than damn warrior angels

>>155865571
It was confirmed on Patreon that, inherently, Heavenly creatures are stronger than Hellborn. They’re just naturally more powerful. Then, in the Season 2 commentary, they explained that the Overlords were basically the only people available who were powerful enough to maintain the shield around the weapon, even describing them as essentially the representatives of Hell in that moment.

The Exorcists, meanwhile, seem like fodder by design. I don’t think they’re supposed to have sophisticated magic or some huge range of abilities. Their purpose is incredibly straightforward: go down to Hell and kill people. That’s it. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re near the bottom of Heaven’s power hierarchy despite still having the natural advantage that comes with being Heavenly beings. They’re soldiers built for one specific function, not high-ranking angels with a bunch of magical abilities.

However, it was also concerned that Lute would be able to take on Vox but I consider her her own league versus a common foot soldier. Plus she's a lieutenant. She's also shown to be the only one adept at fighting properly. Adam is just a big guy who throws a punch or two and laser beans. Lute knows how to not only tech, but also defend. Vaggie is representative of the common soldier, especially since she was considered one of the best, so you can imagine how the rest are and Lute has been able to beat her several times. I'm pretty sure she's in a different category

>>155865630
Lute was always the goat compared to the bum Vaggie.

>>155865559

usually these fandom boogeymen are notorious for harassing people, jumping into their posts, or sending their little goons after anyone who disagrees with them. Literally all looty does is post things the creators have said, official commentary, interviews, whatever information she finds, and then talks about it on her own account.

even with Holyblades, she didn’t tag the ship, didn’t go after the people who ship it, and didn’t even outright insult them. She made a post on her own account and people still got pissed. people get mad because she posts information they ruins their little headcanons. Then they feel stupid because they don't see the obvious.

>>155865680
She's literally said she would ship holyblades if she didn't fully believe Lute was Eve. People just want to hate.

>>155865507
>>155865559
>>155865489
Yeah it's speaks for itself. Kinda funny that this guy had the valid question of "Guys what do we do if it ends up being true and it's mother-son incest?". Like it's genuinely a good idea to keep in mind because you either want an explanation or a plan to distance yourself from the ship. Yet said Holyblades fans took it as a personal attack. Fucking mental.

>>155865741
>Guys what do we do if it ends up being true and it's mother-son incest?"
What was the answer? Did they even bother? I know that particular popular shippers has said that they'll straight up delete.

>>155865786
They didn't answer nothing. Guy later clarified he wanted to know if they should adopt a protocol if Lute=Eve turned out to be true. Which again is a good idea.

>>155865741
They're on edge because they know most of the fandom does not like them. There are Guitarspear shippers who vehemently hate both Lute!Eve and Holyblades at the same time and call the latter creepy pseudo incest even though they literally despise the theory.

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I genuinely think Adam's cuter than Abel, he's adorable

Sorry but this Whisp feels like these people who love pretending they're being oppressed by a whole crowd, while in fact it's only a few toxic guys (most likely bored kids)
I saw enough of these in adamsapple fandom, and now I see the same in holyblades
Pathetic

Yet, no one should offend anyone's tastes ofc

>>155865851
If the anti-Lute/Eve Guitarspear shippers don’t believe the Lute/Eve theory in the first place, then why does Abel/Lute creep them out? Because if Lute isn’t Eve, there’s no incest. You’ve removed the entire familial objection. I can understand finding Abel/Lute weird or distasteful for a completely different reason: Lute canonically loves Adam, and Adam is the catalyst for her entire character arc. Her grief over losing him is literally what sets her current trajectory into motion. So yeah, taking this woman whose emotional world has been so heavily centered around Adam and pairing her with his son is going to feel fucking weird to some people. Especially when it’s treated like some adorable little Hallmark romance without engaging with that baggage whatsoever.

But you can’t have it both ways. You can argue “Lute isn’t Eve, the theory is bullshit” or you can argue “Holyblades is incest because Abel is her son.” You can’t dismiss the premise when discussing Lute/Eve and then quietly borrow that exact premise when you need an objection to a ship.

>>155865851
>latter creepy pseudo incest

They kinda are that though. Like even if Lute isn't Eve or a clone or a close equivalent it's still fucking weird shipping her with the son of the man he loves. Lute being Eve is just the nuclear (but ridiculously probable) option. Like there is no saving here. These guys are on a one way ticket to TCOAAL Fandom levels of infamy among Hazbin fans.

>>155865928
It's stupid as fuck but that's probably the reason these Holyblades fans are now spinning the Lute!Eve theory as some kind of personal attack by merely existing, not paying attention that it's not the same people. They're reactive.

>>155865995
>are now spinning the Lute!Eve theory as some kind of personal attack by merely existing,
It must be especially painful because the voice actors herself fucking confirmed it twice. They can't even lie and say this theory was born out of spite for them, it was placed 2 years ago and once again rehashed by the fucking voice actor. Come on now.

>>155865928
It's mostly a byproduct of literally viewing Lute as Adam's potential third wife. It's why they find Lute X Abel gross. It gives them the vibe of the dad dying and the son getting together with the Stepmom.

Obviously no blood relations but still fucked up. And I think the biggest issue is it not being treated as fucked up by Holyblades fans. They try to present this ship as cute "shy sensitive boy with mean tough woman" and that's it. Obviously ignoring the whole weird context surrounding the ship.

>>155865721
I don't understand how Lute fans can ship her with someone who is the exact opposite of what she likes and wants ;___;
The same goes for Abel lol

Or it has to be very OOC au

>>155866080

I think it comes down to fundamentally misunderstanding what Abel is supposed to be. Because he doesn't get a lot of scenes/focus his fans think he's just male Emily (happy go lucky always positive never sad).

Thing is he's not that. Viv literally said he bottled his emotions up. He's been described as a devious little shit. He's conflicted about what he's doing. There's more to him. But the fandom somehow managed to flanderize him from his first appearance.

It's why the writers ship him with Emily. He's not full happy go lucky perfect like her and we are probably gonna see that in the later seasons. But the fandom just sees the surface shit so they can't ship him with Emily because it's "to much sugar". That's why Holyblades exists. To balance out fancanon/flanderized Abel by pairing him with Lute. A tough sour woman.

>>155866210
One of the biggest appeals of Guitarspear is tough sour Lute becomes blushy putty in Adam's hands with little effort so it misses out on one of Lute's cutest aspects too.

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Canon

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Her monkey ass was NOT built for comprehending a world with more than two people in it

>>155866244

I forgot to add this but one thing about Abel and Lute is that both bury their true feelings. Lute builds walls and hides herself behind her aggression and tough facade while Abel hides his true feelings trough aggressive optimism and trying to postpone thinking about what's bothering him.

Some might make the argument they're alike so it supports shipping them but think about.
Is Abel just like Lute or is he just doing what he learned from his mom but adapted to his personality (exaggerated positivity instead of aggression and stony facade)? Are Abel and Lute alike or is it a case of the apple not falling far from the apple tree?

>>155866356
I would love Eden Eve to have some Abel-isms, would be very cute

>>155866391
I'm pretty sure Abel has some Eve-isms though. Chicken and egg situation.

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>>155866427
I hope she says 'Yepperoni'

>>155866210
>He's been described as a devious little shit.
Let's set the record straight with this one: this particular line supposedly came from a leaked work chat that has very little evidence for it. I would not trust that or put that in the evidence arsenal.

>>155866506
True but I try to keep it in mind as a possibility. If it's legit it adds to the "there's more to Abel " pile.

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>>155866260
She wants him to wash her.

I know it probably won't happen because he's not really the focus (Adam to be specific) but if Cain shows up I also want him to have/reflect a flaw of his dad. Maybe something common they both struggled with. I like the idea the two sons each inherited a twisted quirk from one of their parents.

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>>155866555
Spoiled...

>>155865630
>inherently, Heavenly creatures are stronger than Hellborn. They’re just naturally more powerful
Then why does IMP always kick CHERUB's asses whenever they fight?

>>155866681
I guess lack of fighting spirit maybe. Angels might generally be the equivalent of gentle giants who could absolutely wreck you but they're usually passive. Which could put them at a disadvantage when fighting a weaker but more veteran and vicious opponent.

>>155859779
>>155860657
>>155862412
>>155862602
Thanks everyone, I appreciate the detailed responses. I knew no one in here was really invested in Alastor like that so that's what piqued my interest in the RA talk. Now I understand better. I'm gonna be super disappointed about RadioApple but still hyped about Lute/Eve.

>>155866885
I think you'll find nobody here wishes Radioapple jail on Alastor fans but we do wish it on Lucifer fans, if that makes sense. Sorry for your loss deersis

If Lute=Eve is real whose reaction will you enjoye most?

>>155867898
In order:

Flowertunes
Lute larpers
Holyblades
Guitarspear (those who hate it)
Lilith/Eve aka wife swap
And uhhh idk what's left?

>>155867993
Morningstar glazers?

>>155868028
Oh yeah, those guys.

>>155867993
Flowertunes will be interesting because none of them have commented on it yet. At lease Holyblades has the good grace to schizo out and jump at shadows yknow

>>155867993
I mean it will be fun watching the reaction of Adam fans and glazers but those guys will probably have a "we did it moment" were they celebrate their first ever win(which means happy times until somebody points out Adam is an accessory character for Eve).

>>155868087
>Flowertunes will be interesting because none of them have commented on it yet

Flowertunes is kind of a meme. Like there were several pissed when Roo was confirmed to not be Eve and probably some heard about Lute being Eve but there hasn't been that much drama. Fundamentally I think they will either drop the ship because they don't like GuitarSpear/GuitarRib and prefer their headcanon/fan version or they will accept it and join the joint canon accurate Flowertunes/GuitarSpear.

Maybe I'm going delusional mode but I do think those that wanted to do their own thing with Flowertunes might convert to GuitarQueen because they can just insert whatever dynamic they want there and ignore canon. You already have people wanting Eve to be a Lilith clone. Post reveal they might cut off the middle man and just use Lilith since Eve is just Lute. Plus I do see some doing it out of spite.

>>155868210
I don't think those who have very cutesy and ditzy Eve OCs will jump to Guitarqueen. I think they'll just call their own thing an AU or the ever popular Hazbin Hotel 'rewrite'.

>>155868336
Yeah but those that want "Lilith rip-off" Eve I could definitely see them doing that. Mostly the folks obsessed with Eve being this goddess bad bitch figure (and that would definitely be unsatisfied with Lute being Eve).

>>155868378
>this goddess bad bitch figure (and that would definitely be unsatisfied with Lute being Eve).
The irony of Jessica calling her a mastermind, a girl boss, a manipulator, and wants her to be a villain in Frozen. It's literally that.

>>155868448
Yeah but it's not the exact type these guys want.

>>155867993
Today's events push Holyblades to the top for me. It would be spectacular

>>155868559
Speaking of, did that whiny little wisp person finally shut the fuck up or are they still trying to make it seem like looty attacked them

>>155866964
>I think you'll find nobody here wishes Radioapple jail on Alastor fans
That is very nice and reassuring, thank you. You guys are awesome.
>but we do wish it on Lucifer fans, if that makes sense.
Completely fair.

>>155868603
They seem to have calmed down. Good.
>>155868621
It's interesting to have an Alastor fan, you'll see we're following a bunch of niche fandom microdramas today. What is new in the world of Alastor arguments on Twitter?

>>155868621
I'm a Lute/Eve fan and I'm rooting for radiaopple. Does it not seem obvious to anyone else?

>>155868665
>Does it not seem obvious to anyone else?

Radioapple? I'd say it's pretty obvious. Even if it's not endgame it's definitely gonna get a lot of scenes and interactions with the two growing close(Lucifer and Alastor).

Like Viv obviously likes this dynamic a lot and you need to cope pretty hard to ignore that ( I'll give the Radiostatics a pass since at least they got some love in S2 but the Lucilith guys are huffing the fumes of pure copium while literally getting nothing substantial so far. It does not bode well that the ship seems more liked by Viv's former helpers which left the show before it got picked up by Amazon while she didn't seem to care that much).

>>155868779
>It does not bode well that the ship seems more liked by Viv's former helpers which left the show before it got picked up by Amazon while she didn't seem to care that much).
She herself also said that they are on The struggle bus. Lilith was seen not wearing her ring. Yeah, i think these two are separating.

>>155868841
Adding on to this I wonder if GuitarSpear literally just stole Lucilith's thunder/appeal in a certain department. Think about it. Viv might be ok with doing Radioapple because she has another feminist icon(Eve) paired up with comic relief man (Adam) and is fine with trimming the redundancy (plus she can save up Lucifer for the juicy Yaoi stuff).

>>155868779
If Viv was committed Radiostatic their background would have been more emotional. After all the talk of history that Radiostatics go on about even I was predicting that they'd have a richer connection and backstory and that their fallout would be tragic.

Call me more Radiostatic-pilled than Viv because I remember going "...that's it?" at episode 4. Apparently according to the timeline they were only friends for a couple years tops, too. It was then I dismissed RS going much of anywhere beyond some fanservice and fueling Vox's arc. Vox has nowhere else to grow but away from the Alastor obsession anyways.

I think Lucilith will get plenty of great stuff...in the past. Very romantic past elements but that divorce has been so signposted it may as well be in flashing lights to me. It feels as obvious as the narrative setting up Charlie having her ideas about Lilith turned on their head. But then again, people deny that also.

Those things are more solid to me than Radioapple going explicit on screen canon as of now. But it's not lost on me that they remove any barriers to RA. And Viv loves the ship and the characters are already being mashed together significantly. Add in the Alastor asexuality exploration thing and well, sometimes the simplest answer is the right one I figure.

>>155869023
Maybe, but I'd suspect more that Viv really wanted to put her parents' divorce experience of messy separation to strong friendship in the story. If I recall she's talked about it being an inspiration. Lucifer and Lilith are the only couple that plot could really work for.

But freeing up Lucifer for yaoi too yes. Thinking about it, I'm now remembering that Viv said something about confirming the sexualities of characters only when it's going to factor into the story or character and the team being inclined to leave others to the imagination. Telling if so, I should try to find it.

The Saga Continues…….

>Lucifer couldn’t believe it. He was making out with the Speaker Of God. His fat but strong figure grinded against hers, while Stolas continued to sing his DarkWave cover of “Rope”. “How long have you been thinking about this?”, he flirted in his deeper voice. “Since Adam began BREEDING,” she shakily admitted as her lust came to the surface. “But Adam refused to impregnate me. Said when the time was right, another would rise to claim my angelic womb.”

>>155870458

>Then a voice said behind her, “Now, just what are you doing with my future husband…..that you’re NOT doing with me too?” It was Collette, Lucifer’s Imp fiancé. And she was packing a strap-on about 20 inches in length.

>>155870505

“Time to pause our complicated and emotional narrative for some hot intense breeding,” Lucifer the Broodmare grinned. While Collette applied lubricants to The Speaker’s anus, Lucifer lined up on her holy entrance. He reassured her, “Relax. I do not have Adam’s corruption abilities.” Then he thrusted hard, hilting deep. It was only his second time being a top, but his confidence was growing.

>Outside in the distance in a different part of the stadium, Adam and Lute were embracing passionately. Lute commented, “Looks like the Victory Orgy is going well. The race resumes tomorrow. It’s been extended. Lucifer and Angel Dust are out of the game.”

Adam signed, “Well, they finally did it! They killed his fucking car.”

>>155868559
You think it'll be bigger than when holygates fans got btfo'd by Abel being revealed to be straight? That was fucking funny because what by all accounts should've been the least controversial reveal ever turned out to be far more controversial than either Sera being revealed to be a lesbian or Emily a queer (whatever the fuck they mean by that).
>>155868665
>Does it not seem obvious to anyone else?
After season 2, yes...but to what extent remains to be seen. I'm not sure if they'll go to the extent RA shippers would like, but all my predictions about season 2 turned out to be catastrophically wrong, so who knows lmao? Maybe the first explicit sex scene in Hazbin will be Alastor and Lucifer consummating their new relationship, followed by the requisite fallout over who should've topped and who should've bottomed.

>>155868779
>Viv obviously likes this dynamic a lot and you need to cope pretty hard to ignore that
Never forget that Vivziepop likes pie chart. People got mad about it being made at all but it was revealing. RA swept all canon couples including Stolitz. The ship of the bird Viv is so obsessed with that she made an entire show revolve around him.

>>155871309
You all should also know that, in the Season 2 commentary, they were discussing Alastor’s tail, and canonically, he does not have one. Viv basically said she had been willing to humor the idea, but because people started being mean to her about it, she went, you know what? No. No tail.

I think that actually says something about how Viv operates. She absolutely can become more or less inclined to do something depending on how people treat her about it. Is it petty? Yeah. But if I had people constantly hounding me, demanding I do something and being assholes about it, I’d probably become significantly less inclined to give them what they wanted too. Fuck you.

When it comes to shipping, I could absolutely see her having that same mentality. We’ve already seen how she reacted to people being obnoxious about charlastor. At this point, if people keep being insufferable about radioapple, I could genuinely see her quadrupling down on it out of sheer spite.

>>155871468
All the whining did the opposite of slow down the Stolitz and Stolas focus so Vivziepop fans should realize that by now.

>>155848683
You’re right on that, it’s all shipping discourse and it makes people fucking stupid to what’s obvious.

Especially Radiostatic shippers that make it in their head that Vox and Alastor have this tragic romance when Alastor really fucking hates Vox and it’s more than obvious that Viv will make him and Lucifer frenemies or besties or something significant at least and Vox is going to shack up with his rapist moth.

>>155869387
She talked about Alastor exploring his asexuality which makes me think at some point he is gonna try fucking someone and then decide he hates it and he’ll know. She also said before that Alastor thinks of himself as a straight guy who hasn’t met the right woman yet.

I don’t know if Alastor is aromantic but both Faustisse (who yeah is long gone and her info isn’t that accurate anymore) and Amir were convinced Alastor is aroace. If he is both then I don’t see him and Lucifer having anything but a BFF or a queer platonic relationship (the latter is just friends with extra steps).

Personally I hope they end up as frenemies because I think their Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny dynamic is funny and I don’t care for romance.

>>155871468
>>155872191
I kind of think RS shippers doomed themselves now because they were pushing that controversy against Skye (the biggest VoxVal shipper and who Viv said she sees the fandom through) because of that one transcript where it said Skye didn’t like Angel and they were saying that she hated the character and that’s why Vox beat Angel in that one scene. Then it turns out after someone uploaded the video for the commentary Skye said she didn’t like Angel but that she didn’t hate him and the scene she wrote with him and Vox happened in the hotel. Viv then ended up tweeting about the incident in blue sky and she doesn’t really care much for RS.

Skye also wrote their favorite episode of season 2 and she came up with a lot of the Vox and Alastor stuff but after this she’s gonna snuff them.

And then they made another stink about the pirate merch and the Vox and Valentino pin and insulted the artist.

>>155872675
That's the thing, why would Alastor ever think about or indulge his sexuality enough for it to be a "journey" or to consider fucking someone? It has nothing to do with what he's after and he's been celibate potentially forever. Also Alastor would never willingly ruminate on his feelings that way unless he can't help but do it. So why and why now?

That's why I think he's going to end up with romantic feelings for someone that force him to consider these things about himself. Otherwise he'd hear the definition of asexual, say that's him, and call it a day. That journey word implies much more.

And when you start listing out the potential candidates for being the target of Alastor feelings arc, one avenue feels more open than the others based on what we know. That comment of Viv's was the biggest reason I started thinking she may actually go there with RA. Amir also backtracked to aroace "spectrum" which is a ridiculously nebulous thing.

>>155868658
>What is new in the world of Alastor arguments on Twitter?
Luckily I don't really use Twitter to engage in fandom stuff since it's a cesspool, so I'm not always in tune to what they're talking about on a regular basis. I still use it to look at fanart but I generally try to keep my distance these days. I do know they were mad the other day because Viv revealed in the S2 commentary that Alastor is misogynistic (or he has "internalized misogyny" in her words) which I thought was already pretty obvious but some people were bothered by that, along with the tail stuff mentioned upthread. They take him having a tail very seriously for some reason. I feel like I'm the only Alastor fan who genuinely doesn't care about that.

How FAT does Adam get?

>>155875229
Idk

>>155875229
yes

What do you think of the theory that in the show's universe the characters are all actors or that Hazbin Hotel is a show/series?

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>be me
>/a/ user never clicked on /co/ in my life
>randomly find this thread
>"what no way there's a thread on this godforsaken website about my guilty pleasure favorite series that all my weeb friends refuse to watch? i can't believe it i would have thought everyone here would just call it gay shit"
>"let's check it out I bet there's some good fan art or maybe interesting discussion or even some cute charlie x vaggie yuri!"
>literally just 300 posts of schizos bickering and rehashing the same argument for hours on end
why did I ever expect anything different kek

>>155875670
ok

>>155875670
Welcome to Hazbin /co/. We might be a theory general at this point. It's kinda nice NGL.

>>155875670
Also what exactly are you expecting/wanting of a Hazbin thread? Cuz depending on what you want we might be able to redirect you to the right place.

>>155874910
>they were mad the other day because Viv revealed in the S2 commentary that Alastor is misogynistic
No shit literally in the pilot episode he slaps Vaggie's ass and tells her to smile more. The fuck you mean they were mad about him being misogynistic you should have figured that out years ago.

>>155875718
Some just treat everything in the pilot as non canon.

>>155875695
idk honestly maybe more art or something i guess i was just surprised to see anyone else here actually likes this show. but i temporarily forgot that every thread on this site inevitably devolves into just people arguing endlessly about some bullshit, even the porn boards end up being nothing but text post arguing after the first 20 posts. so really this is exactly what i should have expected

>>155875773
I mean the /trash/ thread usually has people posting art but it's nsfw and those guys are kinda psychotic and there's a lot of weird shit. Also you must be ok with racism. It's a requirement there.

>>155875718
>No shit literally in the pilot episode he slaps Vaggie's ass and tells her to smile more.
This exact moment is why I was surprised to see their reaction. Like it was laid out from the beginning.
>>155875729
Also this is true. Even besides that, it should be obvious that Alastor, a man from the 20s/30s, is probably not exactly gonna be a feminist.