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Did anyone else notice that the jannies are way stritcter for what counts as "western art" in these threads?
>>11100996>come home be family manCloud so lucky
>>11100032>>11100485Not circumcised, the foreskin is pulled back. Amazing thread so far though.
>>11101699They could be low and loose circumcisions.
>>11101700maybe, but they just look pulled back, there would be inner skin showing.
>>11101529Jannies tend to be all over the place when it comes to bans/shutting down threads/etc.
>>11101699Its been a good long while since I last dropped by this thread. Is there a new edit anon now?
>>11102947Nope, not since the last real circumcision thread in april of last year. Look at the outline of the glans of this futa.
>>11102947hi! editanon here, if someone requests something other than practically giantess hypercock futa, I might considering editing. honestly anything other than futa would be amazing. i fucking hate futa, but if they have actual somewhat realistic proportions it might be fun.
>>11103671Take this shit to the yaoi board you retarded fucking faggot pedo. Kill yourself.
>>11103437Is this a good one for editing?
>>11103786r34 isnt really my thing, but proportionally this is so much better. thank u anon :D
>>11103904also I forgot to add, I couldn't get the lighting quite right on the tip, could've probably figured it out if I had more time but I got other shit I gotta do rn
>>11103309I see, threads aint been as fast as they were like 2 years ago. Shame my hard drive killed itself and made me lose my circ edits folder.>>11103437Hi, if ur not into futa can u do trap/femboy edits? those tend to be less egregiously anatomically inaccurate
>>11103920i would Absolutely love to! :3 traps/femboys are my jam, futa can be alright but circ threads and 4chan as a whole just somehow manage to only post the Yuckiest futa known to man, so ive grown sick of it lmao.
>>11103309I recognize this artist.
>>11103904Looks great! Shame you're not into it, because I'd love to see more futa edits from you.
>>11103970i mean if you have something you'd like edited feel free to just send it! Even if I'm not into it it can still be fun, and another editor might take it up.
>>11104004How about this one? Her hand is right where the scar should be.
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>>11104037It's only fitting that a desert people like the Gerudo make sure every girl is properly snipped. I wonder if they get cut as babies like Jews or as adolescents and early teens like Muslims.
>>11104054They're probably closer to Egyptians who did it right before they became sexually active.
Would love for an edit of this if possible please and thank you
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>>11104240Different editor anon here. I tried.
>>11104555>>11104240And here's a version where the mucusal tissue contrasts the shaft skin.
>>11103938thats good to know, in that case maybe u could have a go at editing this one give it a tight cut please ;)
>>11104555>>11104563Appreciate it anon
>>11105514more please, we're in need of fresh content.
>>11100993>>11101699>>11104040>>11104171>>11104486Low and tight is objectively the superior cut, change my mind.
>>11105623I like the two-toned look of a high and tight, but the denial of pleasure of a tow and tight is very hot.
>>11105665low and tight dosent really deny pleasure from what I have seen. The inner skin is often extremely sensitive and removing as much of the inner skin as possible reduces the chances of inflammation and hypersensitivity from what I have read. If the cut goes wrong supposedly the inner skin can permanently swell and that does not look good.
Anyone got some links to some literotica, stories whatnot
>>11104240I also did a few edits, really liked that one and some one else being first didn't stop me. Dropping a few versions - which one do you like best?
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>>11105771Great job on all of them! Maybe try to manipulate the coloration of the head more, especially if it’s freshly stitched like this one
>>11105775I wish more circ edits showed the dry, cracked or grooved texture of the glans typical of a circumcision done during infancy or early childhood. It really gives an impression of the damage done to her pleasure.
>>11105892Hate to brake it to you but not everyone glans dries out after circumcision and there is a lot that can be done to maintain it afterwards as well. Also, not everyone who is uncircumcised (such as myself) has a smooth or even unkeratinized glans. A lot of uncut guys probably have keratinized glans and dont even know it, simply from casual masturbation (because yes, you have to lube up your foreskin or the friction can damage your glans) My glans is very dry and has those crack lines. It mostly comes down to genetics, as they are essentially stretch marks for when the glans inflates.
>>11105775>edits the glans to look more keratinizedAnon.... I kneel...
>>11104486>>11104031Who play with Weiss’s dick
>>11103309>>11103957For me the opposite
>>11105623Depends what you're trying to achieve. If you want to take away as much pleasure as possible, then a low tight cut with a frenulectomy would be the best fit, but for example a high tight cut broadcasts to others more easily that you're circumcised beyond a sliver of doubt.
>>11108323I have yet to see any evidence that a specific style is able to be more pleasurable/unpleasurable. I know some styles are more prone to sensitivity issues and complications though.
>>11108323>>11108365My reasoning for low and tight is that if you're going to get a procedure to remove your foreskin why would you chose a style which leaves a significant portion of your inner foreskin intact? My personal preferences for circumcision is a circumcision where you ideally cannot tell that the individual was born with a foreskin, as such, as little inner skin should be left so it simply looks like a shaft with a glans attached. If I get cut, I am considering seeing if it would be possible for the shaft skin to be cut with a contour along the shape of my glans. See picrel where the scar line almost meets the glans.
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>>11105892i got cut as a kid, my glans is dry and brownish, the cut is low and circ scar is tight, dry and cracked, and the cracks and tightness becomes even more noticeable when the cock is hard. if there's something giving an impression of the damage done to the pleasure, is a cock with a visual description like mine, as I can tell you I feel more pain than pleasure to the point most of the time I only masturbate to cum and get soft as fast as possible which is really hard
>>11108704>i got cut as a kiddo you mean as an infant or when you were a kid kid? I have known several people who were cut between the ages of 6 and 14 and none of them have experienced any complications whatsoever with their circumcision.
>>11108707kid kid, 7 or so
>>11108719strange. from what I have read this should have put you close to the age group with the least amount of complications from circumcision. were you by chance circumcised during a cultural event or by someone who was inexperienced?
>>11108735neither, i theorize the scarred skin was as large as my penis back then and didn't change at all since then. Imagine a ring of skin on your hard cock below your glans, now make so tight and painful that you can clearly see it squeezing down on your shaft, super taut but instead of smooth, the surface is full of cracks like the open end of an elastic sock. that's my circ scar
>>11108790from what I have researched the best time to get circumcised is between 12-16 years old when the penis has effectively finished growing for the most part. People say this is a bad idea because all complications go up, however serious complications go down in that age range. The fact that there are "more general complications" is probably just due to the fact that the individual being circumcised is able to actually relate how he feels and what is actually going on. Granted, I am not a doctor, and I need to do more research.
>>11108794Makes the most sense, but I didn't choose to get cut at all much less at that age. I have the usual adverse effects of circumcision I read online too but their effects pale compared to everything else. I had my penis mutilated, dysfunctional and scarred for life.I'm not here to tell you your fetish is bad and stuff, but this is the only place I can be on topic about my own penis and maybe shed some light about the "what if" of the procedure going worse than you expect it to go, no surgery has a 100% success rate.There's no pleasure at all being hard and masturbating when you've it like this, being hard is painful by itself, touching myself goes from "not feeling good" to "stinging" from having the tight scar open up another lesion even if I use lube, and cumming is nothing more than physically feeling the cum come out and knowing the boner's over.If any anon wonders how they could cut a futa to remove all the pleasure from their futa cock, this is it, full stop.
>>11108365I mean it's kind of self-evident that you're going to feel less when you cut off more of the sensitive/erogenous tissue (inner foreskin, frenulum, skin mobility). Though I heard that at a certain level of tightness, the constant feeling of tension also sort of stimulates you and gives you pleasre (not sure though).>>11108382Or if you're horny enough you could do one of those extreme cuts where your shaft skin is directly attached to your glans.
>>11109968I am very sure that this is impossible. The closest thing you can do is get the cut as low as possible which would probably involve a custom surgery. I also think lower cuts are better because in theory the outer skin is a lot stretchier than the inner skin, allowing for the appearance of a tighter cut while also pulling less tightly when fully erect.
>>11110015It's absolutely possible, and it's called "Glans adhesions" (as in: a more severe form of skin bridges). In some cases where your penis heals incorrectly after a circumision, the skin may attach itself directly to your glans and remain that way. You can look up the botch gallery on "circumstitions DOT com" to see some instances of the skin incorrectly healing that way. So in practice, if you'd find a surgeon who's depraved enough, you could have him stitch your remaining skin directly onto your coronal ridge, or even further over the glans. I know that the result would probably look less natural than a super low tight cut, so I know that that's not what you're looking for. Pic not related.
How do I give myself a case of balanitis or phimosis so my insurance will cover the circ?
>>11110575Don't think it's possible to give yourself phimosis, but you could stop washing your dick and that could give you the balanitis.
>>11110056The issue with skin bridges is that they really only occur if you're cut as an infant. I have never seen or heard about a case of skin bridges on a teen/adult who got cut.
>>11110575>my insurance will cover the circ?The fact that your insurance does not automatically cover it is stupid. I don't understand why first world countries don't have a 99%+ circumcision rate as is, and it just seems like such a simple and basic routine procedure. I also dont understand why its not offered during routine doctors appointments as a circumcision start to finish takes ~5 minutes and can be preformed by a nurse with local anesthetic. I would love to see health insurance companies raising premiums on male customers/dependents if they didn't get cut by a certain age as well (around 14 years).
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>>11111003Any advice on what to do?
On >>>/d/, we all love circumsized pee pee!
>>11110997I got them at 11 years of age
>>11111186this seems like medical malpractice. >>11111089Nothing helpful or things that wouldn't get me in trouble. Anything infection related may require additional tissues removed, and I'm assuming you dont want that.
>>11109968Browsing ITT with my cock like in the middle image stroking to how much you'd love see it cut immediately
>>11110997Really? Shouldn't they be able to occur at any age, in much the same way that burn-injuries can make the skin meld together as well?
>>11112060I was told that the reason why skin bridges occur is when you're cut as an infant your foreskin and glans are still fused together which causes your glans to try and fuse to whatever skin is nearby. this (in theory) should not happen when you're a teen, as your glans and foreskin have completely separated.
Need more like this
>>11112277Definitely need more circ origin/stories and comparison stuffs~
>>11112116That's actually due to poor aftercare. You're supposed to rub Vaseline on the penis after infant circs to help with healing
>>11112277me on the left, currently trying to reverse the damage by training to become a prejac
>>11112999You as in the type of cut or the backstory?
so what you’re saying is, circumcision is just big woman making sure they can orgasm first. “we must rise up against our oppression”
>>11113393not always true as some people can become hypersensitive after circumcision and others gain/lose no sensitivity.
>>11113385style, thoughts and median time to orgasm
Massive dump incoming. I regret every day that my parents didn't have me cut and my pediatrician/general doc didn't push back on my parents decision when i was in my early teens.
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>>11116215Never too late
>>11116215What’s the story behind that
>>11116297>>11116305I have yet to meet a girl who has claimed that she actually likes uncut cock. A girl I dated ended up breaking up with me partially due to the fact that I was uncircumcised, and that was a very weird blow as I had promised her that I was going to get cut as soon as convenient. The other thing is that based on what I have read (I need to do more research), after a certain age (your mid teens) the rate of all complications goes up.
>>11116276>>11116288Jew code?
Foreskin privilege has been revoked for being a useless She-goat who gets laughed at by even her own men.
Could you edit this one?
>>11119591bump again, I want fresh content.
Any new stories or something?
>>11118820That’s a man
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>>11120066No one said you can't post traps, I want his cock cut
>>11120118>the player is uncut and her foreskin is too longguess they like dirty futas
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Weird question, but does anyone know if circumcision is causing superbacteria to start living on guys dicks? I have heard that oral an anal (and vaginal cancer iirc) have started to increase, and I was told by a doctor awhile ago that uncircumcised penises naturally have a bacteria which has been linked to various cancers in individuals who take them routinely without using condoms. Is this increase in these specific cancers caused by the decrease in circumcision rates, or do you think that this bacteria (idk the name) is evolving to live on cut dicks as well?
>>11123075Juri is uncut and Mika's cut, huh? Interesting headcannon this artist has.
I'd like to request an edit of this pic, thanks in advance
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>>11123696Thank you anon, could you do this one too?
>>11124184Not that anon but here you go.
>>11117840Received a low and tight recut for losing to Julian.
recut
Can you please make the daughter match the mother?
Same here, can you please make Komi match her mother?
>>11123023Are you thinking of the HPV virus? Viruses and bacteria are constantly mutating which is why we need one or two new flu vaccines a year. As far as bacteria goes, the glans of a circumcised penis under the microscope looks similar to the back of your hand wrt bacterial population - a desert. As far as cancer goes, the rate of penile cancer is so low that it is unclear if circumcision has any impact on it at all, and as a side note when circumcised men get penile cancer it tends to appear on the scar. Our bodies are under constant attack and are constantly being repaired, even the act of breathing causes damage that requires repair, that's just part of being alive and humans are not isolated individuals, we are a community of cells. Some cells carry our DNA, some don't but many of them work together to keep us alive and healthy and in balance.
>>11125942No, it is not HPV. The doctor that gave the presentation said that it was a bacteria specifically and that it was naturally occurring and not an STD. I don't however know the name of the specific bacteria as I believe he was more concerned with the byproduct of the bacteria and not the bacteria itself.
>>11125942It's true that penile cancer is uncommon but, it's on the rise: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9301560/Also, penile cancer in circumcised men is practically borderline nonexistent.
>>11126766Conclusion: Foreskin is a cancerous growth.
>>11126766Thank you for this, I will need to do more research on this subject. I'll make sure to bring this up whenever I'm in an anti-circumcision debate. >>11126903No, the foreskin exists to cover the glans while it is still developing, however once an individual has reached maturity, I personally really dont see the purpose of having it. I think we could probably get higher circumcision rates if we waited until early teens, see >>11111003
>>11126766>It's true that penile cancer is uncommon but, it's on the rise1. The study you cited looks at trends from 1973 to 2020, in that period almost all types of cancer rates have risen2. Studies of penile cancer show that age is the primary factor. Since 1973 the global median life expectancy has risen from about 58 to about 82, so you would expect age-related illnesses to increase.>penile cancer in circumcised men is practically borderline nonexistent3. True, and the prophylactic effect increases for neonatal circumcision v.s. adult circumcision, however the studies that show this describe it as a preventative measure against HPV, and we've had a vaccine for HPV for about 10 years now, so the impact of nonsurgical HPV management is not yet reflected in any study of penile cancer.In summary: don't pretend circumcision has some kind of medical prophylactic benefit. It's a fetish and you should not impose it on babies.>>11127152> the foreskin exists to cover the glans while it is still developing, however once an individual has reached maturity, I personally really dont see the purpose of having itIt doesn't cause harm, and second-guessing billions of years of evolution is the height of arrogance.>I think we could probably get higher circumcision rates if we waited until early teensI don't think so. It's like a religion - most people would scoff and think you are crazy suggesting an irreversible, medically unjustifiable surgery. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's hot as fuck, but I don't think it would be more mainstream, I think it would just be a niche fetish.
>>11104040Makes you wonder why a demon would be circumcised...
>>11129399Offering or submission to a higher rank demon? Could be a multitude of reasons.
Some1 should write a story with that theme
>>11129399She's clearly a succubus, so she picked what her targets would find most attractive.
>>11129399Might not be circumcised. Maybe the ideal penis has aposthia. Some Muslim scholars believe Mohammed was born that way.
>>11130371Or maybe doesn't want an STD in their line of work
>>11110575Anon its all fun and games on d, but why would you actually want to give yourself a slaves mark? The foreskin is like 50% of sex, keep this fetish in your fantasies. Just superglue your foreskin back and enjoy the thrill like the rest of us.
>>11131060>why would you actually want to give yourself a slaves markBecause having a permanently bared head is a psychological high, and it makes sex feel better.>HERP DERP NERVE ENDINGSyes, you sacrifice the sensations of your foreskin, but for some of us the main event is glans stimulation, and preventing the foreskin from getting in the way feels fucking amazing>DERP HERP DESENSITIZATIONHere's how it actually works: you require a greater amount of stimulation to feel the same level of sensation, true, however you can also enjoy a higher level of stimulation that would be uncomfortable, painful or injurious for an uncircumcised guy. In short, the floor of sensation is raised, but so is the ceiling, so you're not actually desensitized, you're just operating at a higher level.
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>>11131320>yes, you sacrifice the sensations of your foreskin, but for some of us the main event is glans stimulation, and preventing the foreskin from getting in the way feels fucking amazing>>DERP HERP DESENSITIZATION>Here's how it actually works: you require a greater amount of stimulation to feel the same level of sensation, true, however you can also enjoy a higher level of stimulation that would be uncomfortable, painful or injurious for an uncircumcised guy. In short, the floor of sensation is raised, but so is the ceiling, so you're not actually desensitized, you're just operating at a higher level.I have been trying to explain this for awhile now, everyone I have personally known who has gotten circumcised as not a baby has said that circumcision has greatly improved their sex life, even when it comes to basic stuff like masturbation. The foreskin gets in the way of sex a lot, it is really annoying desu. You really only get glans stimulation on the way in, and not the way out, which makes sex very strange.
>>11131320I dont understand the mindset of "if nature created it, it is therefore correct", especially when individuals use technology and medicine which is clearly unnatural. I know some people get around this by saying that medical/technological improvements are ok when they are in a reaction to something (ie treating an illness, not preventing the illness) but even this does not make sense, as we regularly modify our sensory experiences with technology and use preventative medicine. Even if circumcision has no provable medical benefits, there are still legitimate reasons to get the procedure, even if its just for aesthetic purposes. The side effects of the procedure also seem to be greatly exaggerated and primarily propagated by an extremely small handful of individuals (I have found that individuals who blame the fact that they are circumcised for why they cant get laid seem to be larger than the number of individuals who actually received damage from the procedure. They also often bring up They also almost always bring up the Jewish conspiracy, despite the fact that many other cultures and religions practice circumcision, not just Jews). EVERYTHING I have read and been told about the procedure says that the procedure is going to be safe in 99.9% of guys, and its either going to be a net trade off or an actual improvement. I have been explicitly told however (by individuals I know personally who work in the medical field) that infant circumcision is not regarded as an all around positive thing anymore, because they mostly just cut and hope that it heals properly later. I dont understand why individuals who argue with members of the pro-circ community always say that we're interested in mutilating babies, when infant circumcision is arguably the most inferior version of the practice, and getting cut as an early/mid teen is the optimal age (based on my research and what I have been told by medical practitioners).
>>11132441Circumcision should be a choice for consenting adults, not something forced upon infants or recommended to teens.I got mine at 22 and couldn’t be happier.
>>11132441oof! A lot parse here>I dont understand the mindset of "if nature created it, it is therefore correct",Well nature created cancer, so i don't understand it either.>especially when individuals use technology and medicine which is clearly unnatural.define 'natural'>this does not make sense, as we regularly modify our sensory experiences with technology and use preventative medicine.ok. so?>Even if circumcision has no provable medical benefits, there are still legitimate reasons to get the procedureYou don't need any reason at all, IMO. As long as it's your body and it doesn't have a gross negative impact on your health.I'm going to trim out the cruft, and focus on the parts of your next sentences that expose the weakness of your argument:>seem to be>greatly>primarily>extremely small handful>I have found that>seem to be larger>often>almost always>many otherreplace all of these adjectives with actual numbers with your sources, and then you'll be able to get a better picture of what's going on. Humans are extremely adept at fooling ourselves, and the way you work around this bias towards confirming your position is to get real data.>EVERYTHING I have read and been told about the procedure says that the procedure is going to be safe in 99.9%According to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4578797/ that's about right in the U.S.>net trade off or an actual improvement.define 'improvement'>I dont understand why individuals who argue with members of the pro-circ community always say that we're interested in mutilating babies,I don't know of any data around pro-circ groups, so I can't say, but if by 'pro-circ' you mean pro neo-natal circ, then yes, absolutely that is just 'pro baby mutilation' with different words.>early/mid teen is the optimal agewhat are you trying to optimize?>based on my researchyeah. show your work. show me your _numbers_.
>>11132871autism. If you cant understand the general purpose of what I said, reread it and dissect it less. For what its worth, I plan on doing on a very in depth write up on this. You're going to have to wait, as it wont be any time soon.
>>11133232>If you cant understand the general purpose of what I saidI understood what you said perfectly well. I was trying to communicate to you that _you_ don't understand what you said. The summary of your attempt at an argument was that you have taken your position based on flimsy evidence - personal accounts, estimates, speculation and fuzzily defined terms. The character limit on posts is 2000, and you lack concision, so I trimmed away most of the nonsense to highlight where it falls apart. It seems I failed, however, since your summary: "autism" clearly indicates all of it flew right over your head. Let me put it in more basic terms: make your arguments with support from real sources of information and we can have an actual discussion, otherwise all your doing is self-soothing with unsupported wordclouds I've seen before in pro-circ echo chambers.>For what its worth, I plan on doing on a very in depth write up on this.If it doesn't fulfill the requirements I've set above, I'm afraid it won't be worth very much, but go ahead, self-soothe all you like.
>>11134204I will admit that my writing there was pretty shit, but I dont plan on making the same mistake with the full write up. I understand what you are saying though. Its hard to sound factual off the top of your head when you're research folder was on a laptop that I reset and forgot to move some of my files over.
>>11132441>I dont understand why individuals who argue with members of the pro-circ community always say that we're interested in mutilating babiesI think it's because in America, circumcision is most commonly done on infants, and so that's usually what the conversation revolves around. I've often seen people say things like "I got cut as an adult and it was the best decision ever. I wish I had it done sooner, so I think we should always circumcise babies"I can't speak for all intactivists, but personally I'm fine with circumcision being an option. My grievance is that I was circ'd at birth, and so I never got the option of having a foreskin, which is why I want it to not be allowed for children.>its either going to be a net trade off or an actual improvementEven if it is a tradeoff, I feel like the fact that there are pros and cons to weigh means the individual should get to weigh those themself. Even if you persuaded me that there were benefits to circumcision and no "side effects", it doesn't change the fact that I am without a foreskin, and therefore can't do things that require a foreskin.Honestly, I feel like discussions about effects on sensitivity or "sexual function" are red herrings. At the end of the day, I need a foreskin to do foreskin related sex acts.Basically, >>11132800 is based.
As for why I'm even on this thread, though,A) I ended up developing a masochism fetish for being circumcisedB) I've often felt frustrated with how "invisible" the subject of circumcision is in the mainstream and how it's just treated as normal or default (I didn't even know I was circumcised or what a foreskin actually was until I was a teenager), or treated as something minor or of little consequence, but when I see that an artist had to consciously draw a scar to render a penis as circumcised, or even when I see circ praise/uncut humiliation content, even if I vehemently disagree with what is being said, in a way I feel validated by the fact that they acknowledge that there's a difference, rather than just handwaving the distinction as "trivial".
>>11132800I dont see why teens are unable to consent to this procedure. Most people become sexually active sometime in their teens, it would make sense that a procedure which directly impacts their sexual hygiene should be allowed to be done in their teens. I genuinely regret not being circumcised at ~13 years old, as I would rather have gotten it done then than having to plan and schedule for it to be done later. I don't think that there is a reason why it should be done on individuals under 12-13 years old, however I do think that people that age have the maturity to consent to it.
>>11135089Completely ignoring the effects of peer pressure and teenage impulsivity and retardation, 99% of the time it’d be the parents coercing the teen rather than him actually consenting
>>11135100I think that it really should be a 1 on 1 with the teen and the doctor. of course there will be some degree of peer pressure (especially with this subject, peer pressure is always going to be a significant influence), however they will also be able to balance that with the understanding of "do the upsides outweigh the downsides of having a piece of my genitalia cut off". I also think that there should be some kind of basic checklist in the consultation which would involve reasoning for why the individual is getting the procedure done, and parents should be informed about the potential psychological harm caused by forcing a teen to undergo a procedure. I would be willing to place money on the idea that if we switched to a opt-in teen circumcision paradigm that the primary reason for circumcision would be cosmetic. I personally think that obsessing about it is also not healthy. I spent too much time when I was younger worrying about needing to have my foreskin removed for whatever reason and that I should be glad that my parents let me keep mine only to realize later that I was being hyper-focused on something arguably very benign. I made the mistake of having my frenulum removed at 15 (it was extremely tight and caused a significant amount of discomfort) but decided to not have the rest of my foreskin removed as well. I regret not just getting circumcised and calling it a day, especially because it would have made both procedures heal better (had to keep the foreskin pulled back 24/7 because of bandages).
What is everyone’s opinions on people doing it for religious reasons, like Jewish people?
>>11136950Doing almost anything for religious reasons is retarded.
>>11136950>>11142791Yeah, I get it, I should not have asked.
