Let's talk about our ideal nwo of that kind where women are taller, bigger, stronger and smarter than men and men are women's subjects. Older threads:https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/matriarchal%20new%20world%20order/type/op/
source: https://desuarchive.org/d/thread/11047261/
>>11149855Any websites with some stories or novels where I can read about alternative realities where women are horny and in power?Have a fresh pic related.
>>11149904https://www.giantessworld.net/browse.php?type=categories&catid=80
>>11149935Damn. I already read over half of it. Thanks anyway.
>>11149937Sorry, I don't know any other source
>>11149949It's fine. Neither do I. Other than scouring sites like literotica, ao3 or trying to find where the hell asstr gone to, while not many that one also sometimes featured the genre. (I wonder if someone has an entire archive of the website)
>>11149951Τhat's why I write my own matriarchal new world order story setting. Here's an old version of it (I keep making changes and additions all the time):https://pastelink.net/80ddrkeg
>>11149951btw do you have discord?
>>11149959Yeah I saw it one hour ago. I'm also just writing my own stories using the language models. But it's still good to read other stories for inspiration.
>>11149962>I'm also just writing my own storiesNice. Have you uploaded any of them?>Yeah I saw it one hour agoNice. Your opinion about it?
>>11149961Yeah, but I use it rarely, mostly just to browse random channels. So I'm not online all the time.>>11149964>uploadedno. but I'm considering getting some time eventually in the future to organize it into one cohesive story with some world building maybe. since I don't plan to monetize - it it's on very low priority. so what I have is just lots of mini-stories/scenes, basically.and I should've probably emphasize it more - it's mostly AI generated anyway. some people don't like such content at all. and I can understand it - if you keep using the same model over and over you'll eventually memorize all the common phrases it outputs lol.>opinionI more or less have that (except some stuff like physical differences, I just hand-wave as females being stronger or just being more dense muscle wise) as a big-ass prompt that I just use to generate random situations/scenes/mini-stories. Like >>11149904 pic. They can be anywhere from gentle and humorous to, a bit more, intense.
>>11149949do you know some forums maybe? or discord channels? not necessary for stories but for inspiration (to read discussion)?
>>11150097I made a discord server like that in the past I was advertising at threads like that and at deviantart. But only 2-3 people joined. And there was only a small activity at the first days. Maybe I'll give it another chance with a new group. Or if anyone else makes a group for that kind of fetish, I'd gladly join.
>>11150108I'd say the fetish itself overlaps quite a bit with "reverse morals" or something. But I've also haven't seen a single community dedicated to that either.
>>11150109>I'd say the fetish itself overlaps quite a bit with "reverse morals" or something.What do you mean? And what's "reverse morals"?
>>11150112A world where men and women morals are reversed. Some authors usually also have them with female gender being stronger than male gender.It usually inevitably features society where men may not necessary be subjugated, but it will surely feature females being the initiating and aggressive gender.It would also most definitely feature leaders and what not being females, so the world is usually matriarchal but not necessary dystopian, for males that is.This is the long example:https://www.scribblehub.com/series/413476/flip-the-script/Porn example:https://www.scribblehub.com/series/65587/the-man-of-the-house/And perhaps the original inspiration:https://mangadex.org/title/f6333441-3ee5-4ac9-a238-19ca5afe79af/chastity-reverse-world
>>11150121>A world where men and women morals are reversed. Some authors usually also have them with female gender being stronger than male gender.Oh. Just like my giantess story setting:>>11149959Here's a story like that which was one of my main inspirations and one of my favorite stories of that kind:https://www.giantessworld.net/viewstory.php?sid=4936Also I love age reversing where underage girls are gigantic and psychically and mentally mature like adults while adult men are tiny and they're like children both psychically and mentally
So overall I'd say it overlaps a lot. It's just missing giantess/size-fetish, if I were to compare it with the story setting you mentioned.It's very hard to find such stories that have good quality/plot though. Because at least half the authors just hand-wave the setting and go straight into writing porn... with lots of plot holes.Lately I've seen more authors who write sci-fi or fantasy genre stories to include matriarchal societies/tribes/alien-empires even.I've seen one sci-fi story very recently where most of alien empires are matriarchal, mostly for various reasons, with one of such empire being because male species of those aliens are... like 2 times shorter compared to female species. What a coincidence.Anyway in short - it doesn't seem to be a strictly niche thing, but seldom is there any fiction that tries to explore the concept in depth.
>>11150135Personally I'm the opposite: I love making detailed world building taking place in modern era without fantasy and scifi stuff (besides the growing and shrinking drinks). The problem was that I tried making it way too much detailed and tried too hard to make it "realistic" that it turned tiresome. So I removed huge part of the original script and stopped trying too hard to make it "realistic".As about the porn stuff, I personally prefer sexual stuff that doesn't involves penetration and such.
>>11150145I actually don't strictly like fantasy either. But near future (like 20-60 years away) might as well count as sci-fi and is ok.And yeah there is no need to make it 'scientifically realistic', simply, either 'porn with plot' or 'plot with porn' is great. Most of the stories have some sort of conflict or drama going on. And I guess it's hard to imagine what sort of drama characters can get up to in... such a setting.>penetrationRegarding that topic, well if different sizes are involved then it would kind of make sense. You'd need to supplement it instead with idk, sensuals? Make it more about visuals, touch, smells, power dynamics and so on. Outright make women addicted to sperm or male touch.
>>11150156>But near future (like 20-60 years away) might as well count as sci-fi and is ok.Yeah, for the timeline I was thinking something like that (near future, 10-20 years away).
>>11150156You will see details about the sexual stuff at my story since I'm too lazy writing them here (or even doing copy-paste). And as a matter of fact I made the male gender being sexually addicted while I made the female gender while being sexually liberated and bold having a much better control of their hormones.
Why is it always the eslfag making this thread? Can't someone else do it?
>>11150499Why don't you touch grass?
>>11150499Wtf is eslfag?
>>11150758You need to go back
Do you prefer sci-fi or fantasy settings for this kind of thing?
>>11151448None. I prefer modern era with no fantasy and scifi (besides the growing/shrinking technology).
>>11151637Or when women grow gigantic and men shrink down because of stuff like a new virus or something.
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>>11149855This may not be the thread for this kind of fetish, but personally I love it when the Matriarchy isn't as blatant as "8 foot tall women raping men every 15 seconds", and is more subtle with it being a true Matriarchy. Think Revolutionary Iran, not Mad Max. One of the best books I saw that did this was "A Brother's Price", where women outnumber men 10:1 and as a direct result of this men are incredibly prized but also incredibly socially restricted. Men must always veil in public, men must never start conversations with women they don't know, men must never leave the house unaccomponied on fear of being kidnapped, and men are the legal chattel of the eldest female within the family. Additonally, due to the fact that many families may not a husband and would face extinction without them, state run Brothels called "Cribs" are incredibly comman, where males are drugged and made to sire children against their will to hundreds of women. However because the average man has an incredible amount sex in this world, (and I forgot to mention it is set in the Victorian period roughly), STDs are an existential threat and can kill dozens of members of the same family in localised outbreaks, so there are incredibly strict rules about male (and female) chastity.What I love about this world is that its written by a woman and doesn't portray this world as a paradise for men, in fact in many ways it shows life being much worse. It shows what a power imbalance looks like within the realms of the situation, and its so much hotter because of that. Unfortunately, as its written by a woman, its much closer to a Jane Austen novel than anything else and the plot is incredibly shallow, but it still remains mandatory reading for any Matriarchy enjoyers. Its also got a really good AO3 scene.https://archiveofourown.org/works/5463959https://archiveofourown.org/works/35950543/chapters/89625832https://archiveofourown.org/works/23596423/chapters/56619496
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can't win against bodysize and population numbers advantage, always a reliable setting. here we see a typical house-trophy partaking in their traditional evening duties with the house's citizens. going out unsupervised is only possible with security monitoring to avoid trophy theft/exploitation
another dystopian image of the horrors men are exposed when numbers are tilted against them
scarcity and height disadvantage create social pressure and hierarchy in all contexts - even modern office environments
>>11150121I enjoy that it's a purely social matriarchy. I think it might be more interesting if the women are only superior intellectually, if that, and instead the ties that bind are just incredibly strong cultural beliefs. Something like in South Korea but reversed. A reverse morals world with something like that could be really nice to read. I find the idea of someone being maybe physically stronger, but still completely beholden to follow appealing.
>>11155587>purely social matriarchy>south korea>reverse moralsI think you need to give some example here or expand your pitch more. How exactly do you see that working?And just curious, what replacement rate would reverse morals south korea have?
>>11155648When I mentioned SK I just meant they have some really strong traditions over there. There's a plane that crashed because two subordinates didn't want to go against a superior, even though they knew something was wrong. Basically something even stronger than that but applied to a matriarchy, with extreme social pressure to stay in line for men. Someone wouldn't use their superior strength to push back against a woman unless in extreme circumstances. It probably isn't incredibly realistic for a culture to have developed that way, I admit that. However, stranger things have happened.>And just curious, what replacement rate would reverse morals south korea have?what do you mean by this?
>>11155724oh I understand now. you may ignore the replacement question - it was about fertility.your example was more than enough for me to understand what you meant when you mentioned SK.the way I see it we'd probably get some sort of reversed morals even in our base reality if:- women outnumbered men throughout all history. (plainly put: if more women were born instead of men at all times)- women were more into science than almost all men.- women were interested in establishing clear social order and hierarchy to ensure men were shared between them.- women had slightly different biology - for example they would get into heat often (almost daily), but fertile window was more narrow instead (like a couple days twice year, for example).- women would on average be no weaker than average man.and finally but not the least important: women found all men conventionally attractive.if all of the above were true and society indeed picked a matriarchal order with female heirs and so on. women would be giving sons away into marriages and establishing ties between families (for political/economical/etc reasons). thousands of years would naturally create traditions and morals that would be reversed compared to what we have today.1/2.
>>11155724>>11155938in the real world if you were to enforce monogamy there would still be leftover men without a pair. so in the reversed world the opposite must be true. which would naturally make women be the one gender that chase and tie down men.and here's my current personal favorite thing to try to theoretize - I'm not all that sure that reversed world, so to speak, would go into 'gender equality' and the resulting 'hypergamy' like the real world did. what if woman society have very elaborate and deeply established religions(and/or culture) that such forbid certain behavior, like for example it would blasphemous to abort babies based on gender discrimination, as well as forbidden to legally have more than 2 male husbands (and for some it's straight out just 1), also for example that men should be taught house husband sort of things as part of their basic education. and so on and so on.this is what I rarely see basically. not just flipping of gender roles, but actually a history and culture that was thought through. I think a good way to add "free" drama into the story would be just to introduce a faction that wants to spread harmful degeneracy while the rest of the in-story world wants to preserve the social order and the existing culture. a few better story concepts that I've seen - none of them have society that had all three: 'reverse morals', 'gender equality' and 'matriarchy'.tl;dr - for a good 'reverse world' story - one cannot just flip genders and call it a day.2/2.
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/291657/wisher-beware/this story has matriarchy, but it's also "before middle ages" for the general society. so it's kind of grim for average population...
>>11155938>- women outnumbered men throughout all history. (plainly put: if more women were born instead of men at all times)This isn't really what I was going for. I wanted as little biological difference as possible from baseline.>- women were more into science than almost all men.>- women were interested in establishing clear social order and hierarchy to ensure men were shared between them.Sure, those are a social thing. That would be most interesting from a world building angle for me, enough key women doing enough key things in pre/early history that culture is radically different as a result.>- women had slightly different biology - for example they would get into heat often (almost daily), but fertile window was more narrow instead (like a couple days twice year, for example).>- women would on average be no weaker than average man.I know why people do this but it feels like a cop out desu. Kind of makes it less interesting.>and finally but not the least important: women found all men conventionally attractive.I dont know how important that is. It's not like every single man finds every single woman conventionally attractive irl. Ugly men would probably just be treated similar to ugly women, with differences.>what if woman society have very elaborate and deeply established religions(and/or culture) that such forbid certain behaviorThis is the meat of what I like to see. I agree with the monogamy thing. It doesn't make sense as much sense for societies to become anything other than monogamous, so I feel like that would be an even stronger thing there, considering that many cultures didn't even practice it irl. >tl;dr - for a good 'reverse world' story - one cannot just flip genders and call it a day.Honestly I don't really care about the fetish aspect of this that much, it's fun but not really my deal. But I wish these stories put more effort into the world building. I want to know why your society didn't go down the road ours did.
>>11156210>wanted as little biological difference as possible from baselineI feel like some authors share this feeling with you, but you say that society is completely not affected by basic biology. something has to give for a decent world building.
>>11156356I believe more in the nurture of the nurture vs nature. I think culture and traditions can be very strong, especially if there is a religious aspect. If it had to be a difference I'd prefer a mental one. Maybe they are just predisposed to be more capable of manipulating social dynamics and being charismatic, or smarter in general.
>>11156370It would essentially be the average woman being able to apply overwhelming levels of soft power that the hard power of a single man cannot really fight against. It's not supposed to necessarily be wholly realistic anyway, I was coming at it from the opposite angle.
>>11156370>>11156372I still think it's wishful thinking trying to imagine what could've been if dice was rolled differently except heavily constraining the scenario by heavily limiting biology.You can look at the most basic fact even, for 100 girls there are 106 boys or something born. Just imagine what could've been, if it was the opposite. That in the long run there would always be more women (unless external factors apply).The 'horny level' could also help flip the gender roles easily if you make women the one who chase men and men be the 'pick/choose' role instead, flipping the roles.The intelligence or maybe better call it wisdom is also important however. I believe that average woman is a lot less self-aware about the world, relationships around her and even her own life than an average man.In our world, some women do not even go higher than "opportunist" level of thinking for the first 35 years of their lives. Just stuck on feeding their ego and seeking pleasure all the time. Pic related.
>>11156370Anon, you basically want culture to do magic. The only way your world can be near plausible is that physical violence is basically impossible or heavily punished by robots so female skills mean more to society than men's.
>>11156608>The 'horny level' could also help flip the gender roles easily if you make women the one who chase men and men be the 'pick/choose' role instead, flipping the roles.This seems like the most common in most stories I have read.
what the fuck happened?>>11156608the top level of that image is just describing gnosticism
>>11157068here's full imagehttps://files.catbox.moe/cqyiwe.png
>>11157068also I think this is an excellent short video to describe just how clownish majority of women are in reality:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NvmIqg8lfj8probably illustrates perfectly that most women just might have something wrong in the head and that no matter how you slice and dice the history and cultural upbringing - stable and long matriarchy is just physically not possible in this reality.also reminds me of this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVYkgqmRnpQ - of course men would start to prefer fictional women to real women... and fetishes like OP's become more popular by the day. you might as well embrace the fantasy instead of grinding yourself against reality.all said, if someone writes high level thinking gender reverse story - it will probably have men being the dumb gender (unless it's utopia and everyone's smart?), but they won't necessary repeat the same mistakes of women here.
>>11157300This is absurd. The majority of people both men and women are empty headed dullards and if you don’t notice that you’re in denial. If your only standard of evidence for reality is TikToks and reality shows though I can’t be surprised. Among the actually intelligent there’s no sexual distinction. In fact women outnumber and often outranks men in all of the scientific institutions I’ve worked in, and I can assure you they have no problem in outdoorsy situations. More like they’re the ones who remember to pack the bug spray.
cookiecutter setting I use to add to 'women stronger and taller': in this new world, women are exceptionally beautiful, capable, smart, driven, responsible, principled, and supportive and horny for men, 99% of which they find conventionally attractive. in other words, what's known as a 10/10 woman to men in this world now makes up the middle 60% percentage of the female population. further, the ratio of 6% more males than females is reversed: women now chase for and provide for men or risk ending up alone.
>>11157822based
Year 20XX, males have been overthrown and they are not too happy about it. The gynarchist regime must teach males to submit to their new masters.>Old, patriarchal depictions of ¨the dominant man¨ are to be censored.>Henceforth, all media (novels, books, movies, advertisement, etc), shall display and promote gynarchist values. Strong, dominant women and submissive males, as it should be.>In school, males are taught good behavior: Do not question women, do as you are told. Do not speak unless spoken to. Serve your wife and give her healthy, strong daughters. Etc, etc.>Males who promote and spread nonsensical ideologies such as Men's Rights and masculinism are to be strictly disciplined, preferably by way of public humiliation.>God is a woman, it is the gravest of heresy to claim otherwise.Any further suggestions as to how males shall learn their place.
>>11157822Do you think of it as yourself living in this world or just like the world itself?For me I like cutting out some of the universally principled, motivated type stuff. The Amazonian women in my worldbuilding are just as much a mixed bag in personality as real people opening the door for some domineering and/or scummy behavior.I also like the idea of women having some innate ability to make men get it up even when they’re not into it or exhausted, maybe some kind of internal muscle that gives a bit of added stimulation.>Your Amazonian gf pinning you to the bed, and despite protestations that you’re tired and spent she says “Shut up. I need this right now.”>You know that she’s going to keep going until she gets off to her satisfaction, even if that’s past the point where it’s painful for you.>it’s no use complaining because while this might be considered a little crude, it’s basically acceptable behavior. Every women’s done it at least once in their lives (if not something worse).I prefer a world where it’s been like this since ancient times, and only in fiction could anyone imagine it being any different. Never much cared about birth ratio stuff, I figure if the female was the larger, stronger human sex there’s enough there to promote dominance to just say “about 50/50” and leave it. Especially since I always like for childbirth to be safe and not that difficult in this world so unlike in our past you don’t have women dying to that.
>>11157890>Any further suggestions as to how males shall learn their place.Language models seem to be pretty creative in generating the whole list on how the 'school', 'education', 'history' and 'culture' would work in such world.>>11158044>Never much cared about birth ratio stuffIt just makes sense if there's more women that civilization would smell of pussy.It's like the world is full with non-lethal succubi.
>>11154637Height disadvantage alone means nothing if women aren't physically stronger than men. Don't forget that IRL many strong men are manlets while most tall women are skinny or average strength (for women's standards at least). Tall women IRL can dominate physically a shorter man only when women are at least fit and the short man are thin/skinny and weak.
Here's my matriarchal new world order story setting (I still work on it):https://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/2024/10/gigantissocracy.htmlhttps://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/2024/10/gigantissocracy-origin.htmlhttps://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/2024/10/gigantissolatry.htmlGigantissocracy is divided into two parts: Gigantissocracy and Gigantissocracy Origin. Gigantissocracy takes place at the near future and the whole earth is ruled by matriarchal new world order as a result of human DNA's changes that caused women being much taller, bigger, stronger, smarter and more mature than men that are short, small, weak and helpless like little children. Gigantissocracy Origin as the name implies takes place before Gigagntissocracy and explains how the whole world ended up like that thanks to new artificial hormone drinks that grow women much taller, bigger, stronger, smarter and more mature and shrink down men into making them much shorter, smaller, weaker and helpless like little children. Gigantissocracy includes: Amazons, gentle femdom, humiliation, huge size difference between women and men, slow growth, slow shrinking, fit/muscular women, breastfeeding, women with extraordinarily busty, curvy bodies, incest etc. While the story is sexual, it doesn't includes sex scenes (aka penetration).
>>11157890Expanding on this. Welcome to history class!>The accomplishments of men are ignored or discredited. When influential men in history do get mentioned it is often warmongers and tyrants.>Strong emphasis on women in history, pupils learn of queens, scientists, poets and so on. Most of what pupils learn has been heavily distorted to the advantage of women, it may be dirty to lie like that but it's for the better.>The teacher does her best to portray the patriarchal past as a dark age.>In general, history class pushes a certain narrative: Women create and work together. Men are infantile brats who destroy and fight amongst themselves, a man should NEVER be in charge. Men have ruined the world, women shall assume their rightful positions as rulers and lead the world into a golden age.
>>11157890>>11158306Are women and men's DNA the same? Or have they changed with women being bigger, stronger and smarter than men?
>>11158044>Do you think of it as yourself living in this world or just like the world itself?Can be either, but it's just a generic plate that covers porn/fiction/adventure/anime desires of a male audience. it fits well in matriarchy, mini-giantess, gentle femdom, role reversal threads, or most harem/anime/VN stories>For me I like cutting out some of the universally principled, motivated type stuff.consider that much of the primal evolutionary instinct to protect women is related to their central role in reproduction; once the weaker sex is only tangentially related to that, the stronger sex' protective instincts have to go into overdrive to cover both offspring and partners, or individuals of the lesser sex can find themselves as quickly-disposable, easily-replaced deplorables.so emphasizing principled character traits is less about ruling out cruelty (it will still happen) than setting a baseline set to make most men's life not entirely miserable and move their main struggle from environmental to social/mental domains. (as current societies do for the scarcer, more desired, weaker, better-protected sex)>Never much cared about birth ratio stuffit's another reliable mechanism to reinforce a monogamous culture and competition to exclusively claim a longterm mate even when it's not needed for evolutionary reasons (only for emotional self-fulfillment of the couple)
>>11158362This confuses me I don’t really see how the first and last points correlate to what I was saying. Like, I was asking for like the specifics of how they ran their fantasy in the first, and in the last like 100:106 in either direction is still a roughly 50:50 so in any given community given like randomness and random deaths what is actually the difference.As for evolutionary reasons to still value men, I really don’t get why you need to be so all or nothing. There’s a baseline evolutionary impulse to protect people in general before protecting women. After all, we care for the elderly do we not? Reproductively they are useless. Men in general are yknow kind of essential to the process though. There’s no reason why in a matriarchal society men could not be capable of having wisdom or skills or just being an extra set of helping hands. In fact it’s possible men would be the ones who took more of a role in actually caring for children post-infancy and someone has to do that. In spite of what certain non grass touching individuals may say online, women have always been valued as more than just baby makers and so too men wouldn’t be seen as just breeding studs either. No personality change required.Unless the idea of being a breeding stud is hot to you in which case go for it. For me, the drama of a fraught relationship is more hot but that’s just me.
>>11158449>106>50While this page implies that human gender population over the long run is basically a coin tosshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratioit does not mention that it's because men on average live shorter lives than women. If you check any western demographics charts - you'll see that there is surplus of elderly women while elderly gentlemen are already chilling in their graves.Meanwhile if look for younger population there will be surplus of young men. And an average woman in poor countries will go for older men because they are more likely to have money compared to their younger counterparts.Situation would've been completely different if the world had either completely equal gender ratio or a surplus of women. Society just naturally would be different than what it is right now.>grass. stud. fraught relationship.I suspect for most it's less porn factor but just not everybody has wild imagination or free access to language model to actually imagine a rich world from get-go that has various factions, complex relationships, different governments and so on. so most people straight from 'new world order' which also is most likely to feature "all or nothing" related lore.let him cook.
>>11158497>straight fromgo straight for*
>>11158497This is just pedantry at this point but that article is entirely about modern conditions, not the conditions under which humans evolved. So using it as a basic for speculating about why humans are how they are is baseless
>>11158334There has not been any genetic modification to make women stronger so far.It has become more and more common for men and women to be served food separately in cafeterias, restaurants, etc. Rumor has it that the gynarchists are secretly putting something in men's food in order to make them docile or even feminize them.
>>11158334>>11158813Generally speaking women are getting physically stronger while men are getting physically weaker, but this is due to the matriarchal ideals and the possible feminization of men, not genetic modification.
My matriarchy-esque fantasies always involve the women being significantly stronger than men but I can never decide which way I prefer it. One one hand, making women into a muscular amazons towering over men is certainly one of my fetishes. On the other hand I do also like "normal" body types. And a cute dainty girl being able to easily overpower a man has a powerful appeal of its own. Though both can coexist I suppose. For my internal "setting" (using that in the loosest meaning of the word) I am starting to bullshit up some quasi-magical explanation to satisfy my autism. Women naturally have greater strength because their body takes in energy/amazon particles/whatever that makes them stronger than they physically should and may provide other nifty abilities. Muscle and height growth then is the result of excessive absorption of that "energy". Those can be controlled by women to an extent if they have strong enough wills and it also depends on their own preferences and self-image. So a normal looking woman can be stronger than the "amazonian" one.This could be combined with some asian martial arts stuff, with women training to master and cultivate this "energy" for greater power.
>>11158836Like encouraging women to practice their bodies more and generally doing more labor jobs and activities while banning men from psychical activities and jobs? And making women eat more to get more proteins while men barely eat?
>>11158963How about an amazonian tribe in modern era where women are naturally born to be tall and strong while men are born to be short and weak? It could be the result of the climate or something at said amazonian tribe that make women and men be like that. With said women also migrating to other places around the world to spread their amazonian genes and culture.
>>11158975That is interesting too. I like having "normal" society and people to contrast it with and potentially come into conflict.You just gave me the image of Sentilenese-esque tribal woman venturing to the mainland and towards modern civilization. Maybe she decides to kidnap herself a man to bring some new blood home. And I guess that can then get other women curious which triggers raids on to the unsuspecting populace.
To those who use discord, my discord ID is grandius6.
>>11158972Pretty much. Guys don't starve, but they are discouraged from eating more than they deserve. The gynarchists have strongly encouraged women to eat properly and build strong bodies, so they've invested a good bit of money into gyms and so on. But don't ever expect to see a guy there, it is illegal for men to enter a gym... well, there are a lot of things guys are not legally allowed to do now.
>>11159120>there are a lot of things guys are not legally allowed to do nowCan you bring some examples?
>>11159120>Guys don't starve, but they are discouraged from eating more than they deserve.I was thinking the idea of men fasting or eating lightly while women eat much more than men but without getting fat since they exercise their bodies.
>>11159138Yes, something like that.>>11159129>Men are not allowed to hold ¨positions of authority¨. For example, no male politicians, judges, police officers, etc.>Men are not allowed to vote.>Men are not allowed to drive.>Men are not allowed to insult women. For example if a man flips off a woman or calls her a ¨bitch¨, he should expect corporal punishment.>Men are not allowed to commit adultery, this will also result in a beating.Regarding the first three points: Men are childish, they are not as intelligent as women and they're controlled by their emotions, so how can they be entrusted to do these things? Regarding the last two points, it is gravely immoral for a man to disrespect women.
>>11158271Unfortunately I can't make up my mind about certain aspects of my story setting and I keep adding pointless details or add back details I previous removed while I want to keep my story as simple and brief as possible (my original version of this story universe was much bigger than now). Also some parts of my matriarchy story contradict some other parts. For example I mention that giant women take good care of their tiny men like mothers would do with their kids while at the same time these women treat their men as inferior beings and even use them as objects like sitting cushions. Or maybe I'm overthinking it since it's just a fantasy fetish story.
>>11159633But can't you just have different countries and different factions with slightly different values/approach yet overall being into the same direction.You can also have different time periods. During one period X thing was appropriate, then fore-mothers decide to replace X with Y and then so on and on.You could list your contractions, then just arrange them in a timeline - like when does X thing is replaced by Y and why.It may not be relevant for specific chapter of your short story, but it will allow you to keep both, as long as it is in different time periods for different characters. And if you want to write some educational chapter featuring some historical lesson - well that's your material for you.
>>11159814I have already separated my story into two different timelines: The one about how matriarchy started and how it got established (in other words the origin timeline). And the one with the matriarchy being established as the norm.
>>11159827Yeah, but does the entire world has one-world-government of are there different tribes etc? Different sub-ideologies? That's also important if you don't want things to be one-dimensional. And this stuff naturally creates... well, plot. Like one tribe subjugates another one (and maybe has angry sex?), your world your rules.
>>11159814>You could list your contractionsYou mean contradictions?
>>11159831yeah. t9 moment.
>>11159829You can check out yourself how my story setting is:https://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/2024/10/gigantissocracy.htmlhttps://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/2024/10/gigantissocracy-origin.htmlBut yeah, in some way it's one-world-government, just like we have UN in real life. Countries still have their own languages, customs etc but all of them have one thing in common: matriarchy. Especially since men are now too small, weak and helpless to rule the world. Not to mention that they're now submissive to women because of their DNA's change.
>>11159833Also I don't want to put too much realism and too much details cuz it's not interesting. It's called fiction for a reason. Realism should be used with moderation. Or make up different kind of "realism".
>>11159834Average story is structured in a way of exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, and resolution.You can write endless stories where there is some one or another conflict between one person or another, one faction or another and the resolution of said conflict.The difference between your story and the others can be that the conflict can be resolved via sex. The more unique situations (and resolutions) the more interesting the story can be.I just bounce ideas against some 8B sized language model (though 70B or bigger is better) and sometimes it suggests some wild stuff.(and some very... obvious stuff, like someone riled up a group of people into staging men rights riot or something, then the ruling body sent girls in skimpy military gear to ahem, quell, the protests in creative ways, cough cough and the AI writes how all of this has happened and how it got resolved, exactly...)
>>11159843I'm more into stories world building than writing proper stories with protagonists, beginning and finale.
>>11159873And that's fine. You can still battle test your own world against an actor, be that an antagonist or a protagonist, if you want to. Might be fun.
>>11159896I've tried writing some stories with some protagonists taking place in these story settings of mine. But I can't make up my mind with them either.
>>11158994>>11158963Amazon builds with quasi-magical explanations are usually the best, I thinkI would've also suggested some bs akin to the X-men with random women across the world developing this sudden strength+size boost along with increased aggressiveness from some genetic anomaly, with the numbers increasing each year and the offspring of each amazon always inheriting the traits (naturally being either recessive in men or expressed in the form of making them twinks and/or femboys built to submit to amazons).>>11159833kinda like this actually, except with a less extreme change in men's size and taking place during a transition period- imagine a girl born with a body that she feels should be perfect already from heaving, milk-filled tits to muscles that could outlift most men, but always noticing how her tomboyish behavior and superior physique draws envy and insecurity from "normal" girls she can't help but view as lesser, and boys who she can't help but want to pin down and show their place...I also like the idea of men being made truly submissive and beholden to the altered women only once they've actually had sexual contact with an amazon/giantess. Some boys could resist the urge to become an emotionally compromised, sex-addled boytoy for their new muscle mommy overlords, but if they give in to the constant throbbing between their legs or get wrung dry by a girl who simply won't take no for an answer, their brains and bodies get totally rewired with no hope of going back as the pleasure overwhelms them.
Regarding the increased aggressiveness. In my fantasies I often incorporate the idea that whatever is triggering the the physical and mental changes in women to enable this scenario gives them certain "triggers" for increased aggression aside from general increased assertiveness. When a man is dominant, rude and so on women naturally feel strong primal urge "to put him in his place". On the other hand meek, timid or submissive behavior also triggers their instinct but in a more loving and protective manner. I like the idea that some women can experience these urges particularly intensely, in rare cases it can even make them go feral temporarily. And naturally since they are so much stronger the man is at their mercy. On the other hand, some women respond so well to submissive behavior that it can make them look practically bipolar.
>>11160087>taking place during a transition periodGigantissocracy Origin includes the transition period when women started growing gigantic, men started shrinking down and society started to gradually turn into a matriarchy. But yeah, the stories I make with protagonists at Gigantissocracy Origin timeline take place during this transition. Also I write how their lives used to be before matriarchy and how it started changing during the rising of matriarchy.
>>11159833Here's some additions at both Gigantissocracy and Gigantissocracy Origin:- Wars, poverty, drugs, slavery, abortions, divorces etc are a thing of the past and crime rate has been reduced drastically. - Because of men's weak, fragile bodies, women avoid violently abusing them. However they often slap them lightly at their face cheek and their butt to tease them. Slapping them at their butt is also a way for women to greet or farewell men. Also it's the norm for women to spank men in daily basis as a way for women to relief their stress and energy, to remind men their position in matriarchy, to keep them in order and because it arouses women.
>>11160258Here's some new additions at Gigantissocracy Origin:Thea's marketing was made in every kind of forms like:> Advertisements. Most of these advertisements used celebrities, female athletes, internet influences, models etc that grew themselves gigantic with Thea. Lots of these advertisements also used regular women to make them even more relatable to their audience. They also used tiny men at said advertisements.> Entertainment media like movies, tv series, comics, manga, anime, cartoon, video games etc. Said media have giant, strong, dominant women as the protagonists and main characters with all male characters being tiny, weak and submissive to women and being mostly minor and background characters. Said media also include erotic ones.> Fashion exhibitions with giant women with them often being accompanied with tiny men> Mixed sports matches between giant women and normal size male athletes to demonstrate giant women's superiority against men. To emphasize giant women's superiority even more, they have amateur teenage girls competing against adult professional male athletes with the girls beating them effortlessly with huge difference. They even give the male athletes advantages like 5-10 male athletes competing against 1-2 female ones but the number superiority doesn't helps men at all and instead they make them look more fooling and useless comparing to the girls.> Seminars at places like schools. Men and boys weren't allowed at said seminars and neither was the recording of these seminars. They were encouraging the female students to invite their mothers, sisters and female relatives of any age at said seminars.
>>11160268Unlike Thea that was heavily advertised, Sklavos was much less advertised and it was only advertised along with Thea as a bonus. However it was heavily advertised at same seminars that advertised Thea where they informed women in detail why it's necessary to shrink down men and the benefits of it and why it's time for women to rule the world and especially men.
>>11160101One idea I like with this is a world where since men don’t pose a threat to women, having them be admiring one goes from flattering but potentially creepy to flattering and potentially an open invitation to jump his bones. It flips a switch in some women’s brains where they’re so horned up you have to actually be careful to not stare or you’ll give her the wrong idea and be subjected to a lengthy ball-draining session, which might be bad for your overall health if either a) she wants to keep going past the point where you’re tapped or b) you’ve already got a lady with her sights on you and she’s the jealous type. Hell, you might even have a woman flashing her tits or something just to get the “he looked, he’s into me, now I get to fuck”.And this wouldn’t even be socially unacceptable, she’d probably get high-fives from her girls for gettin’ some. Basically inverted frat culture.
What about an islamic matriarchy? Something like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or the caliphates of old but the roles are reversed.>Female guardianship system>Men are bound by law to wear veils in public (hijab, niqāb, burka)>Male haremsA lot of interesting possibilities i think.
>>11160353I like it because it gives some incentive for men to not just indulge themselves even if they are fully on board with this new order if they don't want to be instantly nabbed.Depending on the woman, the result of being overtly too much of a "good boy" can be that they get very predatory or they start acting white knight-like or something of that sort. A man could try to game the system but he runs the risk of being turned into a sex-slave depending on the woman and even the nice and gentle ones are not completely safe because sooner or later they will want their dues.
>>11160388This is what’s really important in this fetish, it’s like no-escape femdom. You can’t just go back to the normal dynamic ever, even if an equal one, even if you leave one woman it’ll just be the same.
>>11160101>>11160353>>11160388this social dynamic is the core of the setting for me, everything else is just to make it work. that's what I meant with 'moving the main struggle for men from the existential to the social domain' in the cookiecutter scenario; giving women a specific mindset so men have to constantly juggle risks of advances and defuse situations, always with a small chance of things backfiring and escalating, but without risk of long-term physical damage
>It's the near future. Tensions are rising with other countries and people are getting prepared to be sent to war.>Women and children are made to train retreating to safe bunkers. Everyone is just waiting for war to begin. Every nation's leaders are made to keep one eye open incase of foreign invaders. >Finally, Russia has started the assault on America. America, in response, defends itself and declares war on Russia>Russia and all its allies declares war on America. The same happens with America's allies.>This leads to a world war where resources are rapidly depleting, especially men. >War goes on for so long, people are starting to forget former allegiances and allies.>The war goes into a free for all. >China is losing to both Russian and American forces. >In a desperate attempt they bioengineer a virus that attacks soldiers indiscriminantly.>This virus only affects the men and not the women.>China releases it into US and Russian soil. But didn't account the virus spreading outside of enemy borders. Nor its longlasting effect for China had hastily released it.>The virus has now spread all over the globe leading men to become weak and fragile.>Many men die of illness and many are reduced to their former glory. Generals and heroes become ill and die.>All nations, quick to notice, takes charge and calls for a temporary truce. Men are rapidly depleting and women are now the majority of the working force. >The male children are quarantined, mothers are made to work.>Tensions are still high, and hatred on each other are still fresh on the minds of the people.>But the virus is forcing all to cooperate with on another.>Fights still occur from time to time, and the race for resources is still on going but with the future of humanity at stake many are willing to compromise.>Years later, the world is a war torn mess, many are still traumatized from it.>Women hold positions of power while men are closely gatekept by the nations left in the world.
>>11161215>The world has greatly changed and with it the sexuality of the people. Women, a few years after the war, now wanting companionship changed on the way they pursue love. Where as before women were able to passively search for men. Now, women are forced to race for it. >the rape and kidnapping of men are becoming a daily occurence despite the strict governance of them.>Men, especially, has it worse as they are hyper sensitive to touch after infection.
>>11159002Sure, I'd love to chat. My Discord is sirdna9844I might just take a while to answer depending on what I am doing.
I think the matriarchy should have women in sexy uniforms to firmly (but benevolently) enforce their rule.Sexy uniforms increase respect for authority. (No I can't post sources but trust me, haha.)
>>11160357That's not Islam at that point, but its corruption.
>>11160353>>11160101i want to be a bratty boy given rape correction by an angry thicc neetgirl now...
please god. i'd settle for just having one decent story with an assertive woman who takes initiative
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>>11159833I decided to remove the Gigantissocracy Origin from my giantess story setting. As about how women and men ended up like that...I'll think something else later. But much shorter and simpler. Also here are two parts I can't make up my mind about: The fact that men can't get any other kind of nutrition besides women's breast milk. And the part where women spank their men in daily basis as a form of stress relief, sexual arousal etc. Should I keep these parts? Or remove them?
>>11160388Amazon women are hottest when they're inherently sexually aggressive and have to struggle to hold themselves back (if they can do it at all)>>11162702Because men are completely overwhelmed by their cocks if they see a woman showing off a luscious body and have no choice but to submit, and ease of access means you can wring them dry and stupid without having to take too much off>>11166481Men at least having difficulty not living off boob milk is actually really hot and adds to the dependency aspectThe spanking seems a little niche and not really adding much for me, that's more bdsm and ageplay stuff I thinkActual female-on-male rape and/or smothering men with boobs or waterboarding with excessive at-will lactation seems more fitting and hot, but that might just be my opinion
>>11166725>Men at least having difficulty not living off boob milk is actually really hot and adds to the dependency aspect>The spanking seems a little niche and not really adding much for me, that's more bdsm and ageplay stuff I think>Actual female-on-male rape and/or smothering men with boobs or waterboarding with excessive at-will lactation seems more fitting and hot, but that might just be my opinionYou're making good points. And yeah, I also had in mind already that it's hot to make men depending on women's breasts to survive.
>>11166725>The spanking seems a little niche and not really adding much for me, that's more bdsm and ageplay stuff I thinkSpanking is the only form of BDSM (and only when women use their hands to spank men) I have in my story. As about the ageplay part, breast feeding is more ageplay than spanking is. Also spanking with hand is from the few BDSM stuff I personally like (I'm not into stuff like men being kicked at their balls, whip, chocking etc).
>>11166725>Actual female-on-male rape seems more fitting and hotPersonally I count it more as seducing and less as rape since men are sexually obsessed with women and they get turn on by being dominated by women
>>11166481Nah, fuck it: I'll keep both the breast feeding and the spanking parts.
>>11161215>>11161219This makes me think of a more post-apocalyptic scenario.A cold war had started between nations due to rising tensions over resources. Eventually the conflict goes hot and WW3 kicks off, nukes are launched but all sides keep on fighting.Eventually one of the nations in a desperate madness decides to unleash the viral bio weapons they had created.The virus kills billions as it spreads globally to all nations, after the plague has burned through the human population, only a fraction of the former population is left.The survivors don't know it but they only survived due to winning the genetic lottery which gave them a resistance to the pathogen. The ones who were infected but survived their infection had their DNA permanently changed.After the war ended the changes weren't immedeatly noticable in the men and women that had been infected. But slowly through the generations the changes started to show up.Girls grew taller and larger than before, larger breasts, wider hips, more muscular on average.While boys tended to be more on the shorter side, but also grew stronger and managed to keep up with their mothers and sister.In the following years after the war groups of survivors banded together and started to form tribal communities, some nomadic, some more sedentary, to survive the new harsh world they found themselves in.Cont.
>>11168003After centuries since the war, the humanity still live within their tribal communities, but some citystates have started to pop up from the ruins of the Old World.With the differences between men and women being even more stark.Average woman now stands around 8'6" tall, but individuals as tall as 12ft exist, as women's height has increased so have their breasts, hips, thighs and musculature, becoming true amazons in appearance.With bodily changes women have also become more protective to guard their tribes with a gun and blade from the beasts and even other tribes that wander the wastelands and forests between settlements. But in addition have become more sexually aggressive, so it is not unusual to see a woman pinning a boy to a wall with her enormous rack as she makes out with him until he accepts to mate with her.Average height in men is now around 4'6" tall on average, and they keep their young boyish appearance but their cock and balls have increased in size and production so they can keep up with their amazonian counter parts. Seeing women's bellies swell up with gallons of seed is a common sight during festivities as they have fun with their chosen mates.
One possibly outcome of a matriarchy especially an Amazonian one is that beauty standards reverse so that men are the ones expected to look nice at all times whereas women can let it slide more often, but I don’t know if that necessarily would happen. Instead, why not imagine a world where a woman’s looks, her ability to seduce the finest looking men to mate with, is part of her power? And in a world where women rule, showing their power and virility is everything. I really like the idea of being fought over by two women, flexing their full powers of seduction with you as the target, but with the real purpose being to assert dominance over one another.Of course, in an Amazon world bloodlines would also matter more than in ours. A woman’s ability to produce an entire brood loyal to her is her most primal source of power. Women were already the historical matchmakers in our world, imagine the way the matriarchal nobility might weave their webs, trading sons to daughters to yield the best heirs.Idk trying to really get in that headspace of objectification where you’re valued mostly as a status symbol and tool for procreation is what it’s all about for me.
>>11158306This just sounds like modern public school irl.I thought you guys were here to write fantasy?P.s. this isn't my fetish I just dropped in just cuz :3
>>11169644>This just sounds like modern public school irl.half of this thread is 'dude what if women were considered by society in a way that's already taking place'the other half is 'what if women as a concept were more nice - [insert traits matching someone's kinks here]'
>>11169698these threads are full of factions with highly incompatible preferences trying to claim any term's definition with their particular kink whitelist/blacklist. same as in femdom threads. even if moving beyond specifics, one unconcileable split is between those who strongly prefer women inflicting suffering on men in many ways = 'more reckless', and those who want women to be simultaneously more capable and responsible = 'less reckless'. each time another term is then used to distinguish different interests, the same fight for defining the genre/terminology repeats
>>11169701This seems to apply to pretty much every fetish community out there, desu.I have come to the conclusion that the vast majority of fetishes are just "flavors" for different degrees of domination/submission. This makes sense to me considering how common slavery used to be and the different social dynamics that were required to be navigated to survive/earn a masters favor in such a society, and these behaviors are instinctual to humans even if classic slavery has been out-phased.In a sense, the fetish itself doesn't really matter and is only really necessary as a trigger to bring on a certain feeling that at its core revolves around turning horrifying acts into playful ones.Am I wrong? I feel like my theory is onto something but I still feel like I'm missing something.
>>11169698The thing a simple image like that can’t capture which separates this fetish from femdom generally regardless of flavor is that in the matriarchal world, your subservience to women is normal. It’s just accepted fact. They might even say it’s for your own good. That sort of pervasiveness, invading every aspect of your life until it wears you down and you just have to accept it. Maybe it is the way things have to be, maybe it is for your own good. After all, that’s what everyone else thinks, it’s how it’s always been. It’s the inevitability of accepting it and even coming to like it that’s hot.
>>11169757I love how when autists have fetishes they always involve some deeply complex social structure and even some degree of world building compared to normies who in the same scenario would just say "oooh strong woman dommy mommy ooga booga!"Even in degeneracy, we are superior, LMAO
>>11158271https://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/?zx=59c977fd8c216730I made some new fixings to my giantess story setting and removed a few parts I found unnecessary. But at most part the story is the same.
>>11171171Sorry, wrong link. Here's the right one:https://gigantissolatry.blogspot.com/2024/10/gigantissocracy.html
>>11160357Women still wear veils, but by choice. Hijab, veil, etc is reinterpreted as men not being worthy of seeing a woman unless she chooses to allow him to. Belief that seeing a woman inflames a man's passions and tempts him still exists, but is seen as a weakness in men and Islamic women's clothing is seen as armor a woman dons and a symbol of her power.Traditional Islamic gender roles remain, but are reinterpreted. The home and family takes primacy over the outside world, and there the woman rules. A man has no say in family finances or rules, and defers to his wife in all things. Outside of the home is the man's world, because men are seen as expendable. They fight the wars because their lives aren't worth as much. They do hard work because their bodies aren't as valuable. While men run governments, they were raised and got their values from their mothers and defer to their mothers and wives for advice, thus they are often in practice proxies for the women in their lives.Women and unrelated men are still not allowed to be together, but the blame goes to the man and he is punished unless it is proven that he tried to get away. Even then, the woman is admonished but not necessarily punished. Polygamy still exists, but is seen to benefit women. As men are more likely to die, the most successful men take extra lives so there isn't a surplus of women who can't find men. Should such a man fail to properly care for all of his wives, a wife can divorce him easily. Wives are generally not chosen solely by the man, but in consultation with his primary wife and other wives. The result is that usually her friends are prioritized, or bisexual women choose other bisexual women. In short, everything about Islam is turned on its head and reframed. Despite still being in place, it becomes controlled and enforced by the women instead of the men.
>>11171276You’re describing the Bene Gesserit
