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>It's fish time.
Okay.
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>>11202095
Got the one by this artist where he wishes to become stronger to out armwrestle an orc, gets turned into a female orc, then gets fucked?
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>>11202093
Reminder that the Mermaid Suit item is canon and characters in Oracle of Ages refer to Link as a mermaid when (s)he's wearing it.
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>>11202102
>Reminder that the Mermaid Suit item is canon and characters in Oracle of Ages refer to Link as a mermaid when (s)he's wearing it.
Oh, seriously? Hell yeah. Never played that one.
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>>11202102
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You get given the chance to fulfill as little or as much of all your wildest TS fantasies as you like - nothing at all is off the table as a possible option.

The catch: You must pick an equal or greater amount of downsides to all of the upsides you want.
All downsides must be paid by you, anything done to somebody else on your behalf is considered an upside and you have to pay for it. It also has to be an actual downside to you, something that limits or inconveniences you in some fashion or you think you wouldn't enjoy. Picking something based on "I don't think I would enjoy this" and then it turns out you're actually into it is fair game, but you can't pick something you want and pretend it's a downside. Something that's both good and bad for you is fine depending on the ratio.

What do you go for?
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>>11202106
>Oh, seriously?
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anyone else here on estrogen?
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>>11202100
really enjoy this artists work since new girls get the D
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>new
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>girls
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>get
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>the
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>D
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(It is usually true, though.)
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>>11202149
Nah estrogen doesn't turn you into a cute girl irl, I suspect most people here know this.
Most of the people that responded to my post asking if they wanted to be turned into a a girl or have it happen to someone else chose the have it happen to another person option.
Im guessing you are one of the want it to happen to them people then?
Im more of the have it happen to others myself
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From the prior thread, >>11202286 see >>11202347.
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>>11202290
the yuri ones are great with girls making them feel even more girly
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>>11202109
I guess I'll keep it simple. Since I'm in my early 30s I would like any tg transformation to come with age regression since I wouldn't want to miss out on youth as woman
I guess since getting what is basically a second chance at life is a pretty sweet deal I will pick two downsides, so for every year of age I rejuvenate, I lose an iq point and gain a kg from the average of a woman girl that age
That way I don't get to enjoy good looks right away but I have to work on losing weight first (but it could also be one catch I end up enjoying and just go BBW, though it's not ideal for me) and I also risk becoming a dumb fuck, which can be fine for a cute girl but I value my brains quite a bit and consider it an important aspect of my current self (I really do not have much else to be attached to though)
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>>11202306
I'm just really into breast expansion, and at some point generalized it to basically breasts and pregnancy on anything.
It's pretty fucking lame honestly.
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>>11202109
Anon, I gave your question serious thought. In the genuine spirit of equivalent exchange, I came up with the following: I gain the ability to transform any man into a sexy woman, which is my fetish. As a trade-off, the power is drawn from my own sexual energy, so in the immediate aftermath and for several weeks afterward, I cannot experience arousal, much less ejaculate. I remain totally flaccid and disinterested as I see the sexy, sexy product of my godlike powers. That sounds entirely fair and utterly, tortuously horrible. I hope you're happy.
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>>11202301
>western shit
>>>/aco/
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>>11202149
Me. My only regret is that it didnt give me bigger titties
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Well either this mermaid is part cow or anon drank the big titty potion or big tiddy giving (cursed) accesory.
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>>11202491
That's fun. I think I'd make the tramsformees also only able to feel attracted to me with the caveat that I'm also only able to feel attracted to I've transformed. I'd form a harem that gets pissed at me every time I add a new member.
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>>11202109
I want an animalgirl raygun that turns anyone it hits into a kemonomimi servant devoted to serving me. The gun can be summoned to my hand at any time, only I can fire it, the shot must be intentional and cannot miss. I can configure any output setting I want with a thought and can update settings with another shot to someone already effected.

In exchange, I can never hold anything designed or that I intend to use a weapon ever again, they just fall from my limp hands. Guns are right out, knives and bats are fine to use as tools, but as soon as I feel a need to use them on a person I drop them.

Additionally, I get away with this morally despicable (series of) acts(s) without any legal and with few social consequences, but any time I intentionally break any other reasonable law or do anything kind of shitty I receive an appropriate legal or karmic punishment in short order.

The maids also forget how to do the thing that let them make their living before so I have to work out how to support them. If that's still not equivalent, we can also say the animal features make it obvious what's happened and people imstimctually know what's up which can color how people interact with the girls so we may situational have to deal with some seethe from certain groups.

Image not /tsf/ but the heroine we deserve and the root of the idea: https://cdn.donmai.us/original/21/eb/__sanada_ufo_princess_valkyrie_drawn_by_fujii_maki__21eb1611448623943bdbc22b3e15f278.jpg
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>>11202109
>My partner and I both transform together into our own idealized versions of the opposite gender
>Downside: As she doesn't have this fetish, she is the one who decides when we can transform and transform back
Honestly probably ends up meaning we just never transform
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>>11202427
A bit heavier on the upside than the down, do you get to keep your memories of being a guy? I'm assuming you have IQ points to burn if you're willing to give up 15 or so, the weight gain is obviously temporary in exchange for a permanent benefit. If you're starting at 100IQ or below right now though then it's fair.

>>11202491
Is the transformation of others permanent? Your downside is temporary after all.

>>11202755
>I want massive upsides with fine, detailed control over everything I do with this completely godlike power and no repercussions!
>In return, here's a few things that will have absolutely no consequences for how I live the rest of my life
ಠ_ಠ

>>11202756
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Eh, convince her to do it once on your birthday or something and make sure she has a good time. Fetish or no, she has reason to do it as soon as it's fun (or she needs to open a pickle jar, I guess). The older the two of you get the more reason there is to stay transformed, too. Better to be a 20 something Chad than an 80 year old Karen, right?

>>11202764
>ಠ_ಠ
I lose the ability to do something I love, become mostly defenseless, and get kicked in the ass if I'm not being a decent person. I tried. What do you think would be better? After posting I thought maybe some kind of karma point buy system might be more balanced.
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>>11202768
Wait, no, I've got something. Add in a Psycho-Pass system so it only works on people who "abuse their masculinity" or something. There's a cutoff under which the gun locks, bullies can be temporarily feminized, but I can only use full power on like rapists or wife beaters or people of that ilk. It fits thematically, too. It'd also make sense to remove the personal protection in that case.
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/125865169
igasenpuki released the trial version of the next monster girl TSF game. I ran it through a quick and dirty MTL if you want to play it in English. I didn't polish it up at all so it's rough (picrel), but I don't see the point in polishing a trial version and its playable. The fairy, wolfgirl and lamia are in this one. Full version is due out end of the month


mega [dot]
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>What do you think would be better?
Main things to consider:
1: Control. The more control you want, the higher the cost. For example with the same ability and different control you could have:
>A: Can turn self into a beautiful girl on demand for any duration and return to being a guy at will - high cost
>B: Can turn self into a beautiful girl instantly, it's permanent - medium cost
>C: Get turned into a beautiful girl randomly for a random duration with little to no way to control when you switch back and forth - low cost
>D: Get turned into a beautiful girl and back again whenever it would be most inconvenient to you and you least want it to happen - no cost
Doing things to others against their free will comes with a cost penalty.
2: Duration vs the level of repercussions involved. If you want a permanent effect that affects you beneficially often, then you must either pay with a permanent negative of the same sort of level or a temporary one that's notably of a notably harsher level which affects you in a very real way, ideally immediately.
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>>11202764
>I'm assuming you have IQ points to burn
Idk I never actually measured it but I figured that getting a whole standard deviation dumber would have been a big enough of a sacrifice since I still wouldn't enjoy being young and pretty being overweight and all but I guess being a young girl is just that good allt things considered so my cons may still be too conservative
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>>11202764
>Is the transformation of others permanent? Your downside is temporary after all.
Yes, but thinking about having transformed somebody weeks after the act once your mojo has returned isn't sexy. The act of transforming somebody (and then having sex with them, if circumstances allow) is sexy.
It's like eating a delicious meal while your tastebuds aren't working. Later thinking back upon how delicious it would've been if you could've tasted it is more like a punishment.
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>>11202109
being transformed is already enough of an upside for me and I'm mostly indifferent beyond that, but in the spirit of having fun with the prompt, we can attach some riders.
people are being too restrained (other than the guy who's trying to cheat), so identity death me! not a flat identity death, that'd be pointless, but a slightly porous one. some memory retention, enough to indicate something is wrong, but not enough to give continuity. distance from who I am now, but not enough that identity death would be tolerable. maintaining the same hobbies but from another angle, differences of the magnitude of playing a different instrument, or being a fujo instead of a tgtf reader
at the same time I don't like myself enough that I'm willing to fantasize about becoming another person. so the person post-identity death should probably be someone who I as I am still wouldn't like, as well as someone who would dislike being disliked by her 'predecessor'. someone I would deride as childish or whiny, uneducated or tasteless, someone I would find inconsiderate, selfish, and irresponsible, or something else. maybe that person is trash or has her own virtues - all that matters for the game is that I wouldn't like her, and she would have to work through having become that way on her own. speaking personally I have a problem with any losses of control, so knowing that I had been changed, and would have judged myself, would probably be unpleasant.
and in terms of transformation, I won't include any mental riders, to allow for the post identity death person to be whoever I wouldn't like. but again people are being too restrained! make her a monstergirl in modern society. a harpy is my personal favorite. let her have magic, on the level of being a scientific curiosity with flight in a mostly human bodyplan, but nothing practical. let her struggle through a world built with doorways sized for bipedal humans. let her suffer or thrive in that world on her own merits.
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>>11202516
Looks like animu to me.
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If I was a girl I would like men
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>>11202109
TG with age regression which as another says is a pretty good upside so as a downside for that heavy periods and severe period pain as that every month for a few decades would be unpleasant and difficult to get used to. Keeping all my current memories related to my personality but the downside to that is going through puberty again as well as now appearing as coming across as someone different in the new world and I'm self-conscious that I'm a man hanging out with children everyday and my autism will shine through. Another upside is linked to the age regression which is going back in time to that age I get transformed to and the downside to that is I whilst I have my current memories and personality, I can't recall things that would be useful for financial gain so no buying bitcoin and holding, a personal downside for me there is going back in the past would put me before a lot of the series I like have started so I have to wait years before I can even read them again. A general downside of age regression is the lack of current freedom I have as well.
I think there are reasonable trade offs there for extra years of life pain and discomfort and awkwardness, can't use the timetravel to make self rich, and I don't know what I will look like, how tall, breast size, etc.
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>>11202778
Well, that turns this into a whole different thing. Starting from scratch then...

I stumble across a TSFication gun. When a male sees it they immediately understand its power and how it works but for females it's perceived and functions like a toy. The gun has a menu of available physical and mental transformations with varying costs depending on the target's value and willingness to accept the transformation selected. Women can't be targeted but every male is a assigned a value based on how positively or negatively masculine they are. Targets with lots of good boy points as calculated by the gun can still be transformed but are stupid expensive, targets with bad boy points or who are at least subconsciously willing to accept your planned changes are cheaper. Using the gun lowers the user's own score and the gun applies a random but undesirable permanent transformation and teleports to another person if the current user hits or drops below zero good boy points for any reason.

There, that seems more reasonable and doesn't require me to list every possible outcome. Since I wouldn't be immune before the gun saw the light of day I'd probably want to stack my score until I could lock down the gun or I'd cost more than most people could spend at least. No harem of catgirl maids unless I play my cats just so and pick cheap targets but I could probably have a fun night at a drag show at least. I imagine I'd have a fight to keep it if I flashed it in public, too.

There's still the question of what happens if someone already in the negative snags it though, thoughts?
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>>11202774
Is this a continuation or an expansion?
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>>11202799
Perhaps, it's just that there's a big difference between losing 15 IQ if you're at 155 and if you're at 95. Like how something could cost $1000 but it's different depending on if you have $100 or $1m in your account.

>>11202800
Sure, but you're presumably transforming people against their will, they have to live with the consequences of it forever and in exchange all you get is ED for a while. Would they think that it's a fair trade?

>>11202835
Depends on the "a random but undesirable permanent transformation" I guess, kinda vague.
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>>11202879
I left it vague on purpose, the gun autobalances. I suppose it would be more negative the lower the end points were. And it's "negative" from the perspective of the person who was using it.
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Poorfag here, I found a trove of translated TSF JAVs recently, Its by lordelpapi2050 on eporner. however there seems to be a lot of content that's sadly seems to be locked behind a paywall.

Kemono is a bust, figured you lots know how to access this or at least enjoy the existing free content.
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>>11203176
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>>11203150
>the pregnant bridesmaid
Nghh!
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>>11203727
Is there a translation of this?
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I want a cute genderbent gf, but at this point I'd be willing (conditionally) to be the cute genderbent gf because it'd be so much better than this tedium.
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>>11203727
Terrible art. I will never understand why some anons will bitch about Rudy Saki/TMF/ICS in these threads because they're western artists (even though they draw in anime style), but think that low quality shit like this is good just because muh glorious nippon.
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>>11204330
Its actually first time I hear that someone isnt strictly only into one of those options.
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>>11204350
Don't get me wrong, I'd MUCH prefer the former and the latter is more curiosity than anything, but holy shit my life is dull and if that's what it took to get genderbender into my life then I'd take it with restrictions.
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>Rudy Saki/TMF/ICS
I wonder which other Western artists anons here have a soft spot for.
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>>11204714
ICS is dead and the rest unashamedly use anime style to make trash art to push out for patreon bux to be the king of their shit filipino village and i wish they'd quit posting honestly
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>>11204718
>A cute girl is interested in his body
>He can probably bang her later as a result of her interest
>Someone smarter than he is is willing to take his test for him
>He can probably schlick using her bodywhile she's doing it
Imagine complaining about that situation
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>>11204358
This touches on why I think I'm into TF as a general fetish. Please break up this monotony and give me a werewoman bite.
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>MC unknowingly gets cursed with a were-yandere curse
>Yandere form is in love with his normal self and has access to his memories which she uses to cause havoc to the girls he has crushes on
>Eventually realizes what's happening after enough full moons with him waking up surrounded with his own pictures and cryptic love notes, along with some discovered caches of weapons
>Works with his childhood friend who has an interest in the occult to break the curse via a ritual requiring another full moon
>During the ritual, chained up yandere-form MC shouts about how she's savored killing the childhood friend because she is his biggest crush
>Childhood friend flubs the ritual's chant out of shock her interest in MC was mutual all along
>MC's mind returns back to normal, but now body is locked in yandere form
>Awkward silence as they both realize now all of her victims' will probably recognize her and not believe what actually happened
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>>11204760
>Please break up this monotony and give me a werewoman bite.
Werewolves in fiction often don't remember what they do while transformed, so the excitement you're seeking might just amount to waking up as your normal male self the day after a full moon wondering why you're in a dress and your ass hurts so much.
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>>11204718
ICS still post a lot of gender bender but it's really just rule 63 of games and series he likes tho, less original content
the paper mario he did earlier this year has me diamond
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>>11204778
The seminal F3 Bandit manga didn't play it like that and a werewolf lore is pretty whatever anyways. Some people are still chasing the kinky high of the first Ms Hyde transformation which only a few JP creators seem to get.
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>>11204778
>chain myself up every full moon
>record my nympho femself shlicking all night
>jerk off to that exclusively
>eventually fetishize it so much that I fantasize about letting her out and infecting friends, coworkers, etc
>mfw my desire to break up the monotony has just led to me having a tsf fetish again

>>11204775
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>>11204775
Thats.. actually a good idea.
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NTA but I like it
it has that sweet psychological stuff going on. that as a woman she has to plead but still gets nothing is such a super turn on!
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