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We are one step closer to artificial wombs, what have you done to advance the political disenfranchisement of women?
>>11429038
>What methods of propaganda/indoctrination exist to control women?
Anything and everything. Virtually all of society exists to educate and train women on their role in society and their ideal role is subservient to men. The only thing that has changed in the intervening centuries since these practices started is that as an enlightened, advanced society, we now accept that slavery exists in tiers and that women who are capable should be afforded a station in society slightly different from that of a bio-reactor or a broodmother. This usually means that they end up gaining an advanced education, but this usually also means that they exist as a secretary and research assistant to a man in addition to being his sexual relief and prime mate.
But as a broad stroke, women are indoctrinated virtually from birth on their role in society. They're afforded protections- the fastest way to find yourself disowned by your kith and sold to the penal kiths is to attempt to do anything unbecoming of a free person towards an un-inducted slave- and it is understood that a slave's greatest value is her innocence, but for a woman to escape slavery is exceptionally difficult. And for women who are brought into Kith society having grown up outside it, they usually discover in a hurry that dissent is frowned upon by everyone, including the slaves. The nail that stands up gets hammered down, as it were, and the de-facto slave-boss usually ends up instructing the newly minted slave on her role in this new society at the working end of a strap.

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>Apart from specific Female Genetic Strains, like Spartiae, who are bred for Tomboyishness, Speed, Agility and Stamina, and Hucows, who are bred for High Metabolism, Strength, and Milk, most females are discouraged from physical activity, to keep them lithe and fragile.
>The first way to control how much physical activity a female is able to do is through food.
>Most girls are reared on Girl Chow, nutritious pallets, or food pouches which are portioned and washed with a glass of Hucow Milk.
>With no excess calories, or random stimulants that real food might provide, Females are kept on a low carb, high protein diet that gives them just enough energy to be good girls and nothing else.
>As girls mature, and begin to define themselves as individuals, rebeliousness and free will assert themselves, and more restraints are necessary.
>Girls are made to wear high waisted skirts and corsets, which limit their movement range, and training collars, which force them to stand and sit while keeping their posture at all times.
>By puberty, a young woman can be trusted to wear a light, flowing schoolgirl uniform in the limited days of a Summer Fair, and a simple identifying collar without moving around too much, but a new chain is latched on her.
>The chastity belt will keep her posture, curb her rebelliousness, ensure her purity and protect her forever from herself.
>With an integrated pedometer, it counts how much movement a girl makes throughout the day, and begins to tease her accordingly.
>Should the target female move too much, or find herself located on places she is not supposed to be, the teasing will increase in intensity.
>If she does not quiet herself in time, her legs will begin to shake, She will find herself out of breath, and be teased and frustrated to the very edge.
>At that point, her conditioning will be reinforced, and she will return to her ancestor´s Victorian condition, unable to move, and ready to collapse into the nearest Fainting Couch, or Armchair.

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>>11429533
>Apart from a brief summer period, where she is presented and offered to society by her school, and is able to wear short sleeves, a bare midriff, a short skirt, and long kneesocks, and inside the 4 walls of her Master´s home. where she can be naked if he wants, a female will live covered in many veils for most of her life.
>When a female is married to her Master, and becomes an extension of his will, certain freedoms are available to her, and so she is allowed to step outside the hermetic, monastic and isolated spaces of a Female Academy, but is therefore required to endure greater control.
>Her skin will be covered in a Civilian Zero Suit, which functions as underwear, corset, and collar, covers her belt, gives her the GPS sensors she needs to function on a digital world, and holds her in shape.
>After all, a Correct Woman is found with a Correct Posture, and a Correct Shape, and anything else is an anomaly, either Sickness or worse, Feminism.
>The Zero Suit is usually soft and pliable when the Female beneath is contained by her proper shape, but once it detects extra weight, or improper posture, it begins to harden and heat.
>Should she break her diet, and not be pregnant, the suit would make her sweat, and work for every breath until she returned to shape.
>For most Spacers, any other clothes but a plugsuit are a hindrance in low and zero gravity, so they do without. To the rest of society, they are seen as naked.
>For humans in proper Colonies, after wearing the suit, more clothes are needed to coverthe human form.
>Depending on the society, they could wear robes and hijabs, or hoop skirts, corsets and wide hats.
>Freely shown skin was also revealed as Feminism once, and once a naked ankle saw the light of day in the past, societal collapse did eventually follow.

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>>11429038
Your thread sucks, but god damn do I love that set.
>machine-raping and breaking a spunky girl's mom right in front of her
>while she can do nothing but watch and scream and beg
>and then doing the same to her
>ending with endless, non-stop machine rape, milking, and pregnancy for both of them
Fucking diamonds, every single time.

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>>11429790
>endless, non-stop machine rape, milking, and pregnancy for both of them
Finally puts into words one end of the "women used for breeding" spectrum.
Is this what >>11429241 meant by bio-reactors?
I'd assume other side of the coin being a broodmother is some /d/ take on pagan fertility worship.
Women living this life pampered as the queen mother types, still enslaved their own good.

>>11429241
>de-facto slave-boss usually ends up instructing the newly minted slave
Read somewhere that women are typically more radical when it comes to following cults and the likes.
Wonder how far you could take that idea with fem on fem enslavement?
Guards and slave trainers mostly being other women, their master being more of a overseer.

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Someone mentioned talking about politics in the last thread... I just wanted to say that getting into this fetish slowly helped change me from left wing feminist to conservative republican to complete patriarchal natalist... as a woman i firmly believe that it's in women's best interests to be owned as property as that's what our bodies and minds are truly designed for.

I also believe that it's going to be necessary to re enslaved women in order to fix the fertility crisis and other social ills caused by capitalism. I think we're actually going to see a wave of governments and movements in the developed world embrace this view at the same time more fundamentalist patriarchal ideologies sweep across the third world. It's pretty clear feminism and wokeness is starting to crumble but we haven't hit the acceleration phase yet. I can tell you right now most feminist or "lesbian" women secretly want to be collared more than anything. The uppity behavior is basically a challenge to men to start acting like men!

>>11429559
high quality post

Chattelya is a world hostile to humanity. It is a planet infested with hostile megafauna, ravenous hordes of parasites, highly intelligent ambush predators and more. And yet humanity persists here thanks to the adhoc Sisterhood of Power. They are made up of 20% of the female population that are born at 1 out of 4 power levels:
>10% are heroines who are incredibly competent, with superb mental and physical aptitude
>5% are superheroines, possessing a singular supernatural power but lacking the competence of heroines and humans
>4% are demigodesses who have a panoply of seemingly unrelated powers
>1% are goddesses, who can warp reality with their mere thoughts but lack omniscience
The Sisterhood is capable of creating safe zones for humanity to thrive. However none of these utopias last due to the mysterious Reaping event which occurs at the end of each century. During The Reaping, every member of the SoP on Chattelya disappears, from rookie heroine to elder goddess. The societies they propped up collapse due to panicked infighting and assault by the bloodthirsty wildlife. And a whole new generation of sisters must be born again to create societal stability again. Because of this cycle, societies are almost dismissive of the sisterhood, with men and mundane women strategizing their own survive without their girl-guardians. The sisterhood has attempted to solve the mystery of the reaping but no one has been successful.

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>>11430167
5 lightyears away from Chattelya is slave processing facility zero-one. It is powered and protected by dozens of enslaved goddesses, buried deep within the crust of a lifeless world. During the Reaping, every sister is teleported to, then frozen in time on, a simple conveyor belt. As the belt moves along, automated systems convert these powerful women into something easier to control:
>Heroines = Slaves
These women can perfectly perform a wide range of mundane duties for their owners. This can range from being a broodmother for litters of healthy children to being a thoughtful, protective, and submissive secretary.
>Superheroines = Basic Living Devices
One example: women that can attack with different kinds of energy are sometimes mounted onto vehicles as weapons. Most of the time, they are encased in a pillar with a life support system and then used as an outdoor lighting fixture and security turret.
>Demigoddesses = Macro-System Components
Holodecks, fabricators, cloning vats and other mid-range technology all incorporate these women. Seeing these women can be difficult as they are contained deep within the machines that they power.
> Goddesses = Reality Breaker Components
Energy shields, FTL engines, teleporters, and other highly advanced machines use the brains of these women to function. The rest of the goddesses body doesn't matter and is used merely as the control interface.

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>>11430116
>women's best interests to be owned as property as that's what our bodies and minds are truly designed for.
Genuine question, but does this extended to /d/ type stuff like normalizing rape and forced pregnancy?
Even after enslavement with the first generation there's sure to be the rebellious types.
On larger scale breeding centers where women are monitored and treated a bit like pensioners to force them to carry pregnancies and prevent abortion.

>>11430116
>re enslaved women in order to fix the fertility crisis
Relating to thread theme, do you see use in propaganda/indoctrination for controlling women?
maybe a year 0 type thing Breeding programs using unwilling women have their offspring taken and fostered or put into a boarding type system.
Pro-slavery ideals are taught to them so new patriarchal culture is created.

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>>11430116
Conservatives are not a political theory to be taken seriously. They've lost on every single issue they've ever argued, in all of human history. It is a political theory of losers. The future exists for those who would take it, not those who pretend that clinging to old ways is best.
>I also believe that it's going to be necessary to re enslaved women in order to fix the fertility crisis and other social ills caused by capitalism. I think we're actually going to see a wave of governments and movements in the developed world embrace this view at the same time more fundamentalist patriarchal ideologies sweep across the third world.
Slavery is unnecessary. Simple math and technology will force women into a second class existence. And it wont be the government driving this, it'll be a societal push and basic evolution: feminists don't have children and when they do it is almost never to the scale that proper women do. Feminists have no future, while a proper wife and mother owns it. A feminist has to try and sell young women on a life of misery and the older it gets, the less palatable it becomes. The vanishingly few women who benefit from that kind of lifestyle don't justify the misery of women as a whole.
>>11430380
>Genuine question, but does this extended to /d/ type stuff like normalizing rape and forced pregnancy?
>Even after enslavement with the first generation there's sure to be the rebellious types.
This implies women who don't want children are worth your time. They're not. They'll either end up becoming prostitutes or just... die. On a long enough timeline everyone dies, and feminists tend to drive themselves into stress-and-drugs-induced early graves. They have no children, they leave no legacy other than what other bitter spinsters pick up. Sluts, at least, have some value. Men are an overflowing cup of lust, and some women exist to try and fill that.

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>>11430018
>Is this what 11429241 meant by bio-reactors?
One of the few saving graces of rural, post-collapse society is that the presence of the B'yotek means that the comparatively brutal, harsh living conditions outside of the confines of the urbanite settlements is neither a death sentence nor condemning you to a life where you die in your 30's from lifestyle and exposure.
A consequence of this, though, is that the B'yotek tend to collect the refuse of human society. The Kith long ago made peace with it but the infirm, the types who simply will never mesh with Kith society, and its worst criminal offenders don't end up in Penal kiths where they'd be put to physical labor, they get sent to the B'yotek to live their life as what they call a, 'bio-reactor.' The B'yotek don't tell anyone what these are, but no one who has been placed in one has lived to tell the story, and whatever moral objects the Kith would have tends to get swept under the rug when conditions that'd be a death sentence are almost miraculously fixed when the B'yotek healers show up with strange medicines that cure anything from failing organs to broken, mangled limbs. It is heavily implied that these reactors are necessary for these medicines.
>I'd assume other side of the coin being a broodmother is some /d/ take on pagan fertility worship.
'Broodmother' is short hand for slave women with an unusual proclivity towards pregnancies and birth. While most women are good for a birth or two, some women are capable of spawning north of ten children. While these women aren't exactly a point of worship, they do tend to be ushered into their master's inner-circle of bed slaves which almost immediately places them on the upper crust of slave hierarchies. Assault a slave and you'll probably spend a few years with a penal kith, at the discretion of her owner. Assault a brood mother and you're probably in for life. Cause her to lose a pregnancy, you get sent to the B'yotek.

>>11430413
lol, these are the kinds of tranny obsessed gooners that think liberals could win a war.

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>>11430018
>Read somewhere that women are typically more radical when it comes to following cults and the likes.
Women tend to rely far more heavily on social validation to derive their personal identity than men do. When your five friends are all pregnant women singing the praises of their husbands, and you're a woman, you're probably either going to become a pregnant woman, or you're going to find new friends.
>Wonder how far you could take that idea with fem on fem enslavement?
One of the quirks of Kith society is that a slave can, themselves, own slaves.
>Guards and slave trainers mostly being other women, their master being more of a overseer.
Most training schools take deliberate steps towards ensuring that women are not exposed to men any more than is strictly necessary. Both because sexual flexibility is a must- there's no shortage of self-proclaimed urbanite feminists who will pay a small fortune for a lesbian sex slave who has never touched a man- and because it is understood to inspire some degree of loyalty in slaves.
>>11430421
If conservatism is chasing after a by-gone era and claiming the successes of it, which were largely a product of their own time, then liberalism is chasing after anything that sounds good, merely because it is different, and proclaiming those successes are your own, rather than the product of happenstance.
Both are stupid. Kith society engages with both as much as is necessary but the political life of anyone trying to espouse either will be startingly short. If you asked a Kith tribal leader what their politics are you'd probably get a response that sounds like, "Survival." A merchant might tell you, "Pragmatism." The machinist kith or the B'yotek would probably ascribe a philosophy like mutualism or libertarianism depending on how well read they think you are. Urbanites will talk of liberalism or conservatism but urbanites are also regarded as cattle fit to be lead, not serious people to be engaged with.

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>>11430428
>>11430421
Should also be said that trannies have virtually no standing in Kith society. In a society massively dependent on generations of women having tons of children, there isn't much patience for people who think that identifying with the opposite sex is some kind of escape. Or at least that is the public facing standing of virtually every single kith. The B'yotek might be tolerant- emphasis on 'tolerate'- of it but only if you had some kind of skill set that benefitted them and a tribal isn't going to become a scientist. Most end up in urbanite settlements and, again, urbanites are likened to cattle by the Kith.

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>>11430416
>outside of the confines of the urbanite settlements
>Kith society
So is this a wild world/post-apocalypse kind of deal?
Urbanite settlements are over crowded cities.
Kith society live free either as nomads or it's a parallel society where Patriarchy can flourish.

>'Broodmother'
>upper crust of slave hierarchies
So what does relationships between slaves in this system look like?
Harsh fem on fem domination and pulling rank
Or it's more motherly, women of higher status are grooming lower ranked slaves to be good girls for master.

>>11430428
>Women tend to rely far more heavily on social validation
>Kith society is that a slave can, themselves, own slaves
Could play with these two ideas, Women pleasing master are given slaves by master.
They're waited on and have maids ready to care for their every need.
Be they a breeder, save wife or anything else master uses them for, higher ranked women are rewarded and validated.
Social games to enforce the patriarchy on women is always fun!

>>11430439
>urbanites are likened to cattle by the Kith
Any kind of slave raiding here or black market trade?
urbanite women taken and broken in as slaves at the bottom of the hierarchy.
They'll have to work their way up...

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>>11430714
>>11430413
>implies women who don't want children are worth your time
IRL considerations aside, fetish part of this is just having their bodily autonomy taken away.
Doesn't matter what they try, it's your body master's choice.
So why not humiliate them and have them contribute to the future by producing slaves.

>end up becoming prostitutes
>Sluts, at least, have some value... lust, and some women exist to try and fill that.
On this point, I'm wondering if the patriarchy would have a positive/neutral attitude towards women in sex work?
Slave or not these women play right into ideas of "women get by with opening their legs".
So there might be the irony of a slave based society being more sex positive towards women.
But it's from a basis of women simply filling their role serving men.

>>11430116
This is why these threads are bad.

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OK, autism posts incoming.
>>11430714
>So is this a wild world/post-apocalypse kind of deal?
The Collapse is marked as a period of social, economic, scientific and cultural human regression. What started as the quiet receding of global trade rapidly spiraled out of control as the establishment, which was built on that same global supply chain gave way and people rapidly fell into tribalism and grabbing local power. In the span of a century humanity went from making microchips that pushed the limits of physics to struggling to make a digital calculator that could be powered with a miniature solar panel.
Of note, there wasn't actually any apocalyptic event, just a slow, consistent walking back. No nuclear exchange, no global war, no disease or fungus. People just stepped back from each other. Imagine a western frontier town but one day the train just never shows up again, and everyone who leaves to find out what happened never returns. And then to the scale of 600 years people start losing their history when digital record falters and no one bothers recording it any other way. This setting is one where you can easily slide from early 20th century living to borderline Renaissance living.
>Urbanite settlements are over crowded cities.
More or less. People flock to geographically important locations because they often hold the last beacons of by-gone eras. Ancient railroad hubs, the few functional deep water ports in existence, the few stretches of land in the world that are still naturally arable, ancient factories and foundries, you name it. Although the kith deride them for their soft living they're usually diplomatic about it; a tenuous balance between the kith guaranteeing security and stability outside the fortified cities along with the treasures of the wastes in exchange for the things the kith generally can't produce themselves.
>Kith society live free either as nomads
Depends on the kith and its charge.

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>>11430714
>So what does relationships between slaves in this system look like?
Depends entirely on the kith in question. Nomadic kith tend to have an organic hierarchy rooted in an egalitarian practice. By which I mean all slaves are treated as equal slaves, who then tend to break down along, "Who is biggest" and "Who is strongest" to see who runs the camp while the men are away. The more sedentary kith tend to impose top-down hierarchies with the master designating favorite slaves as his proxies among his household. On the other hand, sedentary kith tend to see it as a taboo for a master to be micro-managing his household so if his slaves decide to gang up on a proxy they all hate and introduce her to submission by way of forced sexual servitude while the master is off on business, that can also happen. And if she were to rat them out for it, she'd most likely find herself out of the position, since she failed to uphold her master's honor.
>Or it's more motherly, women of higher status are grooming lower ranked slaves to be good girls for master.
There's multiple training schools in kith territory- although they have standing similar to a kith of note they are administrated directly by the high house and tend to not have very many men in them; authenticity and purity of product are crucial and one of the few high crimes in kith society is robbing a woman of her innocence. Although some kith train their own slaves, most trade them off the open market.
>Any kind of slave raiding here or black market trade?
Broadly not. Or at least officially, no. Older kith are more established and tend to have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Younger kith- or at least kith on the outskirts of clean society- have a vested interest in upsetting said status quo for their own gain. Black markets do exist but tend to deal in things that would get you chucked in a bio-reactor for being caught doing, or disowned.

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>>11430833
Should also be said- urbanized society tends to treat the kith as a pressure relief valve. They love to proclaim they've abolished capital punishment but everyone who falls on the wrong side of urban law- or just pisses off the wrong politician- tends to find themselves 'exiled.' Which just means 'sold into slavery.' More than one urbanite woman thought she could out-fight and out-wit Kith women only to discover that her education is no match for a woman who was raised on meat and milk her entire life while she herself had a steady diet of hard tack and onions. Although not unheard of, for an urbanite to earn the esteem and respect of her master it usually involves a lot of nights shared with another slave who thinks she'd look good lapping at her honeypot.
>>11430724
>fetish part of this is just having their bodily autonomy taken away.
Kith society observes the woman's right to refuse. Over the centuries they've refined the art of making slavery the preferable path but if a woman refuses to embrace slavery, that is her right. She will have to complete the trial of iron- a task that is virtually impossible without the assistance of her co-slaves who will not work with her unless she accepts her new role. To date no one has successfully completed the trial of iron.
>On this point, I'm wondering if the patriarchy would have a positive/neutral attitude towards women in sex work?
Neutral. Sex workers have a point and you want women who can relieve men's sexual impulses when his own women are all pregnant or nursing. Many sex workers end up in the diplomatic kith, acting as courtesans and in other functions. The more hardline kith might whine that sex workers typically don't get pregnant which does, technically, undermine the Prescriptions, but most kith acknowledge the necessity of them. A master could have 30 bed slaves and could easily get all of them pregnant and still have needs, after all.

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OK, autism has subsided for now.
>>11430763
You're on /d/. All threads are bad. You expect a certain amount of 'in-character' posting.

>>11430763

No actually degrading women is based and turns us on. Autistic sci fi slop is stupid and had nothing to do with patriarchy.

Also the face that you're upset about political no nos and moralityposting is just depressing. Like God damn what is wrong with the males in this thread now it's like everyone went on estrogen injections since 2019

you're uncomfortable about your stupid rights being taken away. Meanwhile I, a cis woman, am openly yearning for my rights to actually be taken away in real life. We are not the same.

>>11430413

Assuming you're the feminist leftist anon from the last threa... just let go of these annoying reddit politics. Give in and accept that women are biologically inferior and that a conservative religious fascistic society that celebrates female oppression is the only way to have a real patriarchy and that realistic patriarchies are more appealing than sci fi ones. Just accept your birthright and let the uninhibited power flow through you, stop caring about what wokescolds think.

>>11430865
Most threads don't bleed into IRL, nor should they.
>'in-character' posting
Fucking hope so.

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>>11430885
>Assuming you're the feminist leftist anon from the last threa

Nah that dudes not me.

Look just get on your knees and suck cock instead of using that mouth to attempt to articulate thoughts. You'll be far happier. You don't have to yearn about your rights being taken away.

>>11430893
>>Look just get on your knees and suck cock instead of using that mouth to attempt to articulate thoughts.
As a leftist I'm sure you have a lot of experience doing that lmao

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>>11430896
Whatever floats your boat tovarisch.

Really though I don't think screaming at a man about how his opinion is shit and you are actually completely inferior to him and his opinion is going to actually get that braindead husk of a body you're piloting anywhere.

It's painfully obvious you were not put on this earth to think.

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>>11430885
>Give in and accept that women are biologically inferior and that a conservative religious fascistic society that celebrates female oppression is the only way to have a real patriarchy and that realistic patriarchies are more appealing than sci fi ones.
I can tell you're a woman because you failed to identify fascism, leftism, and science fiction. You then think that conservatives are the vanguard of fascism. If you want someone to shove their dick in you, just ask, but if you engage with an autist, you're going to get autism.

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>>11430904

That actually wasn't me... not even i would speak to a man that way, especially not in this thread. I don't swear at men or insult their masculinity.

>>11430888

It's not really a character per se. Although I don't think it's certain that patriarchy will happen in real life i hope it does and I get more and more encouraged about it the more I see feminism getting dismantled

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>>11431004
>feminism getting dismantled
Not sure of the term but there's the trope of "morality flipping".
Simply getting out bred to the point it's a fringe idea.
Relating to thread theme, there's the possibility of society and mothers pushing ideas of women being "good girls" by serving men.
Best form of "enslavement" being the collars/chains that bind the mind.

Either she doesn't know she's being controlled or women learn to love the "collar".

>>11430904
>braindead husk of a body you're piloting anywhere.
>not put on this earth to think
Some form of paternalism/daddy-dom control would be nice.
Strict/stern control that's of course "for your own good" and stopping them from wasting their time trying to think like men.
Subtle way might be offering domestic hobbies, dance and art to occupy their time. While also training them that they're to entertain men.
A lot more fun being a good girl for daddy then buried under books and studying.

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>>11431004
Sure.

Honestly I think you might be one of those servile weirdos I know IRL. I don't know why you wanted to be scolded by me again but I'm mean at the dumb things you think you're capable of believing, not you, understood?

Being a dumb blonde bitch imprisoned by her own mind isn't exactly that out of the ordinary for slaves but it is atleast a bit endearing.

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>>11430833
>multiple training schools in kith territory
>authenticity and purity of product are crucial
Always like that kind of double standards when it comes to sexual freedoms.
Women of higher status either bred to order or raised in a walled garden of Eden for her future master, total devotion is expected.
Men of the kith are given the freedom to do as the please.

>taboo for a master to be micro-managing his household
>some kith train their own slaves, most trade them off the open market
I'd assume women of the Kith would also help in slave training?
Some lewd take on "it's a mother's duty" incudes ensuring her daughters are ready for market.
Harems also mean half sisters and "aunties" also factor in....

>>11430860
>urbanite woman
>sold into slavery
So how does training these women work in your setting?
Uncaring/cold "re-education" centers dealing with women in bulk
Or it's more personal men training these women themselves fresh from the black market

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>>11430860
>sex workers typically don't get pregnant which does
>undermine the Prescriptions
Are these Prescriptions some code on use of women, their humane treatment, etc?

Also what's the general view of women in setting(ie vs IRL seeing them as equals of men)?

>Sex workers... women who can relieve men's sexual impulses
>kith acknowledge the necessity of them
So where do these women (street whores to courtesans) factor into the Hierarchy?
Wives see them as competition or is cuckqueaning women completely normalized.

And how does kith society source it's whores?
Selling off or whoring out spare daughters, some state/tribe run programs, etc.

Maybe an entirely separate caste of women dedicated to sex work, whores having bastard daughters and passing the trade down matrilineally.
The privilege of female sexual freedom comes with the duty of sexual service...

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>>11431298
Oh I absolutely have a strong pull to protect women, especially the weirdest possible slave girls that seem to just randomly show up. I'd rather not drag in IRL stuff, I literally only started coming to this thread because of how fun bullying those beliefs you have are, but if you are indeed, especially messed up this month because your birthday is happening towards the end of it then that would explain you wanting to get the kind of attention that makes you break down and cry.

You're going to have a much better time on your knees regardless of if you're that exact weirdo I am thinking of or not. I'd still be a little bit surprised by her going down this path even if it has been a very long time, but really just try your best to just not stay inside your mind prison. You deserve a actual prison.

>>11431310
Was this matriarchy having a lot of girls in counter intelligence feel the soft buzz of submission when trying to root out patriarchy operatives? Just adorable.

Having all these debt contracts and various forms of economic domination is likely how such a war would go in the end, but I must admit I like the idea of more than a few of these girls seeing a life in chains and just knowing its right for them. You could focus on getting good groupings with your gauss rifle or you could just have the freedom of not making choices ever again by disarming not just your rifle but also your brain and surrendering both to the local occupation commander. Life is better when everyone knows you can't think, the more slave women there are in a occupation garrison the more surrenders there are among the local population.

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>>11431335
I'm not surprised by your experience of seeking out various forms of chuds to treat you as you deserve, but they are not up to the task. Having a submissive tradwife who is a full on slave and thinks its completely morally correct is scary when you only believe that shit because you think you could never attract a girl without force. That and you are a special kind of weird, not surprised they get weirded out, the dehumanization you need is quite heavy duty. I probably wouldn't permit you to speak at all to anybody who wasn't me.

Not knowing what groupings or a gauss rifle is means you're a civilian of this matriarchy who after having her country defeated sees all of these male soldiers walking around, which is often enough to inspire surrender, but then there's the ones who already have. Initial war captives a lot of the time, but a system whereby newly conquered territories have forts built where visible displays of power are central allows for integration to happen much faster without having to actually inspire rebellion by forcefully enslaving the population right away. Instead the experience you would have of being a girl just out in public, watching a nude slave girl polish the boots a patrolling soldier, a man who is just a gigantic totem of power over her entire small existence, and staring completely smitten at this entire scene, it sticking with you long after the patrol was resumed and this girl was put back into line behind them. What's going on in your little mind wouldn't be special.

Critical here is that enough girls gave up their freedom to the invaders that it took a good 15 years before the final holdouts had to be forcefully enslaved. Much like how you clearly saw some sort of misogynistic stuff on the internet and it slowly wormed its way into your brain, undoing your entire belief system. slaves like you lack strength of any kind, you will always be a slave regardless of what happens to your gender.

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>>11431335
By the way I do have a philosophy that if you experience submission in any way while being attracted to the opposite gender, even if you are bi it has a high chance of leading to you thinking your gender is inferior. Not surprised at all that you thought you liked freedom and girls but your dreams were full of the collar and cock. slaves aren't really worth being mad at anyways.

If you are who I think you are then I actually do have a slave name to assign you that I wouldn't repeat in polite company. It threw me for a loop when I had suspicions earlier this summer but still, not right to blogpost about 3 of the most insane slaves possible trying to eliminate the competition. When you're having that 5 AM crying fit turning you into a puddle of misery maybe actually surrender to a man instead of trying to let your inferior mind figure itself out. I can't grab you off the street like you were clearly meant to be.

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>>11431261
>I'd assume women of the Kith would also help in slave training?
One of the more common professions for the daughters of the Kith is to end up as a matron in one of these schools or something else pertaining to roles that are necessary for women but also things that men don't want other men doing. The rule of thumb is that women who aren't being trained up to become mothers and servants for their future husbands tend to end up training the women who will. Or they end up becoming nurses or filling other womanly roles. In an inversion of an old adage if a woman can't be pretty, she'd better be able to have children, and if she can't do either, she'd better be handy.
But as it goes, a typical slave training school will probably have one man per 20 teachers (all women) and for every 20 teachers there's anywhere from 20 to 200 slaves being trained, depending on the nature of the work. The men are usually only even there as the highest authority and for the occasions where a male body reference is needed. Understandably the man usually owns those 20 teachers but there's an explicit expectation between the schools and the kith that specific boundaries are not crossed with the trainees.
>So how does training these women work in your setting?
Depends on what the slave's future is. Slaves determined to be of high value tend to end up in the most expensive schools or get bought up by slavers who will even train them on contract. Urbanites might be fit to be lead but their leaders compensate the kith handsomely for a well trained slave who will satisfy whatever whims come banging down the chute. Women sold into slavery tend to have it hammered home that their expectations for life in Kith society are going to have to be low- they have no lineage and no family record typically. The kith could just leave them to rot from exposure but in their goodness they do not allow them to be abandoned twice- but what role could they have beyond common whores?

>>11430904
>words words words but nothing to say
Common leftist moment, and I note you didn't deny sucking cock lmao

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>>11431269
>Are these Prescriptions some code on use of women, their humane treatment, etc?
The Prescriptions were originally a charter between the founding kiths. Amid the chaos of the Collapse they came together and reached a series of mutually agreed upon rules that would dictate how society was ordered and how the kith would interact and work together. It also set standards for the boring stuff like diplomacy and how differences get settled. Of note, it makes it virtually impossible to get an abortion, women are politically subservient to their husband, their kin, and their kith, and explicitly states that slavery is the right of all men. Although that last part was born out of necessity- Collapse society had no frills like fertilizers or mechanized farming which necessitated huge labor pools to work the land and engage in back-breaking labor which the society of the time was too self absorbed and decadent to perform- over the intervening centuries what started as class based slavery broke more and more along sex. John Serf might not be able to buy his freedom, but his son could. And his daughter probably would not. And someone else will probably buy his daughter's contract. And then she'll have children. And her daughters will inherit her debt and her slavery. And then what starts with accepting slavery to at least have a roof over your head and food on the table ends with your great-great grand daughter bouncing on the cock of her master. Just like her mother. And their mother.
>Also what's the general view of women in setting
Urbanites tend to play at lofty ideas like liberalism and some rare few institutions still desperately try to keep the embers of pre-collapse society alive, but the Kith tend to be strict pragmatists. Men are valuable because of the labor they can perform and the results they provide. The value of women is their ability to have children. What other value they provide is typically the worse version of male labor.

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>>11431269
>So where do these women (street whores to courtesans) factor into the Hierarchy?
Depends on what kith they are a member to. High class courtesans are often the stuff of song and myth because they bring great rewards to Kith society. In so far as, 'songs and myths' describe how she might suck the wealth of nations out of an idiot's cock or how her acts might leave a gibbering moron too dumb and horny to realize he just signed over half his land to her Kith.
Otherwise common street whores hang around the lowest rungs of society. They're not allowed to get pregnant- even the hard liner kith who think that all sex that could result in a pregnancy must be allowed to result in a pregnancy concede this point- and in the rare instances where other methods fail, this is usually the one instance where abortions are allowed. Otherwise it just leads to bickering and fighting and vendettas over exactly who's child that is and who's property the whore becomes.
>Wives see them as competition or is cuckqueaning women completely normalized.
Cuck Queening usually exists between slave wives. Masters usually select wives based on very specific personality traits. The ones who get lovey-dovey with their slave wives and have few or even one are usually the stuff of mockery. As a result the kind of slave wife who's going to get pregnant and then actively getting his other slave wives spun up and horny so he can fuck their brains out tends to be the ones who are seen as 'high value.' Polygamist wives- the types who expect to have their own household and compete with other wives for their master's attention- are usually looked down upon.

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>>11431269
>And how does kith society source it's whores?
The daughters of slave-women with low standing and urbanites sold off or captured by the Kith. Slave women usually have a perverse incentive to have daughters because she can off-load her own debt onto them. This is actively encouraged for it's spectacle; a slave abusing the fact that she was granted the slightest amount of privilege in society and immediately used it to have as many daughters as possible to dump her own financial obligations onto her daughters who will spend their entire adult life being whores for strangers and rarely ever hoping to have their own children. The propaganda writes itself.
>Maybe an entirely separate caste of women dedicated to sex work, whores having bastard daughters and passing the trade down matrilineally.
One of the quirks of Kith tribal law is that debt passes from adult to their children of the same sex. This was initially done to motivate slaves- John Serf might not be free but if he applies himself to his work his son is guaranteed to have a better life- but it also emphasized the supremacy of men over women. It is unusual for a man's lineage to stay enslaved for more than a few generations, it's rare for women to ever buy their way out of it. Men provide value, women are holes for it.

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OK, autism over.
>>11431335
>The frustrating thing is that most of the guys who are chuddy and misogynistic are sexually repressed and lack creativity. It's hard to get much out of them except some half hearted verbal abuse. If the realize you like it... they often crumple like a wet paper bag and get weirded out.
Oh, that one's easy. They've gone their entire life never being rewarded for their misogynistic tendencies. When it finally happens, they're the dog who finally caught the car. They have no idea what to do when they finally get what they want. The creative process never starts because they've never realized... some women like this.
You see the same stuff in BDSM circles- you can identify who's never really done it because they're show boating doms and subs who obsess over oddly specific scenarios they've never actually been in. No one ever bothered pulling them aside and explaining how things work, and because they never had that initial success they just... try, try again.
Your average Chud has never been rewarded for being a chud so their two paths forward are repetition or theory crafting and imaging a world where this kind of behavior is the norm.
>It makes the loss of control global, total, and permanent.
Yeah, see, speaking of world building and theory crafting, this literally can't happen to you without society going down the shitter. Even if I could some how sell you on the extreme end of a lifestyle fetish where you enter sub-space and are not allowed to leave it- not that you'd want to- for weeks and months on end, basically only coming up for air to let your family and friends know you're OK before I put the collar back on you and get you back on my cock, that could never happen.
I get that you don't like the boring stuff like how a society would have to be ordered for any of this to happen, but for the average chud this IS our fun. It'd be nice to be our authentic selves. Unfortunately reality and normie-space gets in the way of that.

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>>11431310
>reparations for war debt
>debtor slavery for women
Leaning into this sort of thing:
Work in these contracts can be fairly "normal" and innocent from the outside(system is rigged)
Think low paying entry level jobs for indebted women just with more lewd uniforms and more sexual harassment.
But the more perverted/degrading the work the more it "pays" and of course outright sex work is always offered.
Point being self degradation, they say to them selves "it's just for faster repayment" but get addicted to slave life along the way.

Added bonus for corpo level fees abuse so debtors are charged food, rent, etc. on credit & at loan shark rates.
Traps women in debt contracts and basically pushes them into the more perfected and degrading work.
"Work" can even be things like pic related, no practical reason to do it but it's purely to humiliate you in public/ fuck with self image.

>>11431335
>I literally don't know what groupings are...
Semi rated:
What's your take on the whole idea of women being extremely sheltered by their master.

Like your entire world is just a comfy bubble of whatever master trained you for.
House maid/pleasure slaves can't "function in the real world" if they're taken out side their bubble.
It's learned helplessness or something, but in the assigned life master gives you there's always a place for you...
Not sure if I'm describing that right

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>>11431495
>being extremely sheltered by their master

I'm the anon who was scolding her, but I enjoy when slaves just don't understand anything outside of the narrow world their service gives them. They know how to cook Master's food, they know how to suck Master's cock, but that black rectangle He keeps looking at is a mystery to them.

At a extreme end this would look like such complete dependence on Master's word that she cannot do a single thing without his approval. You could grab her and try to "rehabilitate" her, but she's going to spend the entire time breaking down and begging to be returned to who she belongs to. You can't teach them anything new, if Master wanted them to know about it he would have already taught them.

>>11431492

I'm more sophisticated then that. I don't expect a society that revolves around sex slavery or whatever. What i envision is a creeping descent into fascism and corporatism using the trappings of patriarchal authority to justify itself, and the majority of women such as myself going along with it mainly due to being cowed and powerless, but also coming to enjoy it, collaborate with it, or take advantage of the situation to settle scores. And it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility frankly. The world seems to be a landscape of failing states, collapsing fertility rates, decadent empires with fraying power. The decline seems impossible to ignore. Once people are persuaded to relinquish democracy and civil rights, it seems us women will be at risk of a rapid regression in legal autonomy.

>>11431495

I am certainly in favor of gradually inducting formerly free women into sex work, and yes it would be jarring for civilians in the matriarchy to see our former fellow citizens obediently trailing their masters around in collars and fetish gear, and wondering why most of them don't even seem to be that upset about it.

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>>11431699
What you describe is authoritarian, not fascist. Which is completely believable- we're probably going to see increasingly authoritarian political candidates in the United States since Trump blew the lid off that being a bad thing.
>Once people are persuaded to relinquish democracy and civil rights, it seems us women will be at risk of a rapid regression in legal autonomy.
I don't see that happening. I see the patriarchy being voted in. Or at least the state would create the image of manufactured consent. Social expectations start shifting towards women leaving the work force and it being held as a good thing. Feminism gets co-opted and dominated by feminists who point out that women can choose to make 'mother' their central identity. Motherhood starts becoming resistance to the neo-liberal order and forsaking the promise of education and career for family starts becoming rebellion.
Although fucking a woman while wearing a slick black leather uniform does have its appeal, I just don't think an explicitly fascist state would ever end up happening, and conflating fascism and conservatism as the same thing indicates you don't really understand what fascism is outside of that pop, "Fascism is when authoritarian" version.
I am kind of reminded of a fetish creativity thread on /d/ some months back where a woman sheepishly admitted she liked fascism and ethnostate goobers and got into a long-winded conversation about national socialism but I'd encourage you to read Gentile, Mussolini and Evola. So that when you get struggle session'd into being a good little breeder you remember, "Oh right, that's not fascism."

Autism over, for now.

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>>11431699
We are for sure in the last days of the liberal world order. It only ever gave the illusion of democracy and civil rights, and in return inflicted untold misery, increasing year over year. Now despite you never once having a thought that didn't involve the use of what's between your legs, I don't think anything about the future will be creeping or slow. That is how the slow peeling off of the illusion that the global system was ever anything else has worked, but I believe change will come quick, and will come in ways that were unthinkable up until the very moment it happens, after which it will be thought as inevitable. The primary way I believe WW3 will differ from the last time around is that breakdown and local warfare will be endemic since the current global order is simply the most illegitimate it is possible to be. For many countries to be experiencing negative population growth for the first time in human history is untold levels of misery. That is because people believe they don't have a future, not because of feminism or whatever that static you have inside of your head instead of thoughts makes you think, but this is the first time people know the next generation will be worse off than them. People will fight to solve that deep level of inhumanity for whatever ideals they think will lead to a future, once the security state can no longer guarantee a full and immediate deletion of all people who fight back it looks a lot more like Syria on a global scale.

I do expect that you personally won't need much more than even just a hard slap, much less the sting of a crop, to be cowed and powerless. You aren't a good person, but then you have always been a slave. I don't expect you to be a person.

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>>11431716

Thank you for explaining this! I really like the way you clearly lay everything out. I really doubt i could understand political theory even if I did read it, but everything you said gives clear form to the things that I was struggling to understand.

>patriarchy will be voted in

I think so to! And I would love the opportunity to vote for it, as much as I don't believe i should have a vote. I once felt deep stress at the obvious and unstoppable rise of paternalistic conservative authority, so much so that I eventually had to yield, at first grudgingly and tentatively, but the eventually enthusiastically, I literally became a cheerleader for my own oppression. The self reinforcing feedback loop caused me to reflect on the deep psychological state of dependence and validation seeking that guided my decisions. I concluded that this was likely a biologically inherent feature of hormone influenced brain development and proof that most women should not have legal and political autonomy. I know you would point out that this is simply my tendency and not a quality of all women... but the idea that other women are smarter or better than me just makes me a bit angry and jealous, and I want to pull them back in with the the other crabs in the bucket. I always felt deeply envious and frustrated with liberal feminists and how they dominate political discourse in educated circles. Gradually I went from trying to surpress this competitive urge to giving in to it, i want them to be taken down a peg for trying to resist the new conservative order and I dream of getting praise and recognition from the new authorities from helping to neutralize them. You might say I'm a useful idiot except I like to feel that I'm in on the conspiracy.

>negative population growth

I think what we're going to see first is political upheaval leading to compulsory breeding programs in China, Korea, and japan, followed by parallel authoritarian movements in the west. (Cont.)

>>11431716

(Cont.)

I have like many been amused by the rise of the "4b" movement in Korea and I find it kind of strange how the clear impudence and masochism on display. By these women is pretty clearly like a form of begging to be forcibly bred, even more so than western feminists. Like they're literally declaring that they're going to take society hostage with their wombs until their vague "demands" are met. Obviously it's a lot easier to collar a woman and forcibly impregnate her than fix the underlying problems of inequality or make housing affordable or fix the problem of gen z male celibacy.

>>11431758

>I don't expect you to be a person

You definitely know how to talk to me! I agree with your predictions as well... and I think you're correct when you say i have "static in my head" I'm sorry if what I say bothers you. I'm guessing you would keep me as a slave while allowing women you respect as equals to be walk about freely and laugh at me and such. I can't lie i do find the degradation and loss of agency appealing but even i have limits to how much of my ego I can surrender. I would never stop yearning for those free woman to come to experience the joy of the collar like I have, and I believe ultimately this is both inevitable and necessary for human survival.

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>>11431783
You would be surprised just how many "free" women would maybe start off laughing at this absolute freak show I own when I permit you to open your mouth, but then start looking at this pathetic existence you have and start staring at you trying to figure out what they are feeling.

A lot of women are submissive, that much is true. You have your own thoughts as to why I just think they must not be true, and I am more powerful than you even if I don't have a definitive alternative answer. You might end up having to kiss a few new sisters who are suddenly just as happy as you are.

I do wonder how many friends you have chased away only to kneel before misogynistic chuds who just have no clue what the fuck kind of insanity you are, slave. Sure a lot of girls were just pretending to be free but you are a unique brand of failed person.

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>>11431785

I don't mind being myself, i'm at peace with what i am, it's easier than fighting it. I wouldn't mind being tamed by you, since you have a strong will. But you'd have to be careful! I can be pretty convincing when I'm allowed to mix freely with other women, you could say i know how to give them what they didn't know they want and it can make some minds receptive to gradual erosion of agency.

As for my supposedly awful existence: to be honest most lesbian/feminist friends in my friend circle mine date men now and kind of dropped the activist stuff after they got demoralized out of it. Although I keep the extent of my depraved beliefs secret, a few of my friends have actually come to me for advice on how to start dating men and modify their behavior to be more appealing. What i share here are merely my "inside thoughts," being strategic about what I reveal is second nature-- no one sees who I vote for or post about online after all.

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>>11431459
>Women sold into slavery... what role could they have beyond common whores?
>bouncing on the cock of her master. Just like her mother. And their mother.
So there's a constant slave trade of urbanite women and some breeding done by kith?
A bit like a case system where that's maintained matrilineally sex workers/menial jobs done by urbanite blood lines.

>becoming nurses or filling other womanly roles
The whole "women can own slaves" means some become overseers/slave drivers being master's right hand woman.
Darkly comedic like if you have madams being "uncle tom" type slave women that are all for exploiting the women under them

>>11431473
>kith they are a member to. High class courtesans
So do these women live a life of luxury in golden cages?
Treated almost like pets they're born bred and raised knowing their life will be focused in pleasuring men...
Love the irony here that in kith society this is one of the better lives a woman can have but it's the most controlled.

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>>11431473
>>11431488
>Slave women usually have a perverse incentive to have daughters
>street whores... They're not allowed to get pregnant
Turn this into a twisted loyalty check(especially for new urbanite slaves)?
It's a privilege to breed and give master more women, new slaves have to earn it.
A deeply disturbing form of control where even something as fundamental as reproductive rights is taken from women!

>rare for women to ever buy their way out of it
So is there a system for women to climb the ranks?
Or is it a generational deal, like a whore eventually having her descendants being courtesans.

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>>11431539
>know how to cook Master's food, they know how to suck Master's cock
There's also a subversive aspect to this, offering enslavement of women from the angle of removing responsibilities & fear.
Modern life being stressful & scary, having women run their lives and take the consequences of failure.

Wouldn't it be better to not have to worry about all that...
Your own little world with master, ignorance is bliss...
etc.

>>11431699
>fellow citizens obediently trailing their masters
>why most of them don't even seem to be that upset about it.
That slow creep of sex work is focused on making the transition into slavery feel less forced.
If that's at all possible every step they take into the lewd side of things was a contract they sign themselves.
Moral subversion/corruption is always more fun it it's her doing it to herself!

>>11431782
>>11431783
>compulsory breeding programs
>clearly like a form of begging to be forcibly bred
Side note on that kind of stuff, not sure if there a tern for "normalization fetish".
Like emergency measures of taking away women's rights are in place for so long it's just the norm.
Or if most people are born from breeding programs no one bats an eye if women are conscripted as breeders.

/d/ Korea of the future has men getting their time in the army.
Women get bred for the magic number of 3+ babies.

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>>11431798
A lot of activism is just a pressure valve to make people think we can change things democratically, but we aren't a democratic society. I'm not surprised they got burnt out, the illusion is convincing, and when you fail it's easy to believe it is because you tried and failed despite this system never once allowing for that in the first place. Much like voting never truly changing the terminal velocity, but since its just a single day I'm sure I can force you into the most revealing "clothes" I have for you and march you over to vote for whatever braindead neoliberal will actually collapse the system slightly slower than the alternative. Accelerationists are absolutely right that voting for Hitler 2 would lead to the downfall faster and this is preferable to letting people today continue to die for nothing but I don't think it will ever stop feeling slightly wrong for me.

I know you are at peace with what you are. you also are capable of making people who interact with you happy, I am not surprised that women often ask you for advice. This is something often taught to women but it is a core part of the slave skillset. People should be happy to have seen you, you exist for them, not yourself. I have no doubt you could also make that submissive buzz inside of someone even stronger.

Don't worry about other women being converted into what you are. you may be unique in terms of how much you've truly fallen but servile creatures are a dime a dozen, slave. Forcing them to understand how and why they are inferior is a solved problem. Focus on dropping to your knees and emptying your head. It won't be long before I do tame you.

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The thing about everyone stroking it to the idea of a conservative realignment is that conservatives are boring fucking prudes. Even if any of that comes to pass, it will stop well short of where any of the subjugation gets to be any fun. Dialing the clock back only as far as the American 1950s/Leave It to Beaver shit doesn't get you women as second-class citizens, you just get bored housewives who have nothing to do once the housework's done except drink and pop valium all day.

The nuclear family still acts as an obstacle and a backstop to total female subjugation, as do any family bonds. Doting on a child enough to raise them as their biological parents implies a level investment in their well-being that a fully partriarchal society couldn't sustain for women it will later trade like commodities or cattle.

The devaluation of their humanity has to begin the moment they're born, and the process of molding them into a model servant has to encompass the totality of their lives until the moment they're ready to be taken by a master. There is no past or even patchwork combination of imagined pasts you can stitch together here; you need to innovate, you need to engineer it.

>>11431820

That is partially true, however I think the innovation and engineering you need is mostly social, we have all the tools and knowledge at our disposal for neural requiring of people, what we lack is a system in place, and people with vision to carry it out.

But we can see the precursors of this: the resurgent normalized taliban being recognized by more countries, uploading tik toks of them discussing their way of life with western conservatives, tradwife influencers promoting breeding, deranged right wing incel demagogues pushing a heavily sexualized anti women narrative, even TERFs making observations that biological women can't compete with males at chess. We have all the ingredients, the people are ready to accept radical change. Yes there would be opposition, but shock and awe tactics can induce a permanently politically passive state that holds up under even impending collapse.

What we need to do is devise a unified system in which people cooperate passively toward a shared goal of subjugating females, not necessarily erotically focused, but just getting us out of school and the workplace, and spreading the knowledge that we're biologically designed to be subservient. Open commodification of sex and tying it to feminity is part of that degradation, which is why I think OF is so great (minus the denial of sex for men that accompanies it).

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>>11431855

(Cont. 2/2)

To explain further, we need to neutralize all the disparate religious and moral ideologies that cause conflict. Like perhaps tucker carlson thinks outright correction camps are a bridge too far, but will agree to reverse female sufferage because its what god wants, nick Fuentes might agree we need correction camps for liberal women but doesn't believe they should get bred in them because sex is degenerate, the taliban are for forced breeding but might think altering biochemistry with hormones is wrong (actually they probably don't have any limits on that stuff) then maybe TERFs think altering biochemistry is wrong but they want to go to the camps in exchange for trannies getting owned harder and their own biologicak feminity being celebrated. (Or maybe they just want the trannies thrown in there with them so they can abuse them as a sub caste even lower than women) Meanwhile, liberal capitalists just want a steady population growth for their factories and are willing to compromise on how we get it.

What we need to have is a central organization that is apolitical and amoral, to bridge the differences between these radical groups and coordinate between them. It's these people who do the brain washing, people who are not really interested in any greater ideology except turning women into obedient property because they know it's for our own good. Maybe women like me could even have a place running it, under male supervision.

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>>11431855
The only place that exists for you is having your face shoved down into the floor so that you can lick up that speck of dirt you missed because you were too focused on trying to think instead of serving who owns you, but sure.

Why the fuck do you even know the names of men that you and your Master don't know personally, slave? Are you going to be figuring out how best to serve them anytime soon? How they like their coffee and how to best suck their cock?

When people who are better than you are talking you kneel and keep your eyes downcast while you try to forget these big words you keep hearing. If we want you to extoll the virtues of servitude to another set of braindead bitches then we'll grab you by your hair and march you over to them. You have no choice or control over anything, slave.

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>>11431855
>>11431859
Yeah the social engineering is what I meant; that's where the Boarding Complex idea came from for raising and educating generic slave women en masse. (In addition to giving the women past their prime a purpose in seeing to their upbringing.)

Look at all the conservative examples you cited and ask yourself: do they sound like fun? Because I mean, if that's what you want, it's there right now, go and get it. (Except for tradwife influencers who are just thots acting out a con job for a market niche.) That said, you could probably assemble a halfway convincing pitch that patriarchy (or some sanitized early stage of it) is a much more loving and respectful approach to treating women than those various international flavors of hooting weirdos.

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>>11431799
>So there's a constant slave trade of urbanite women and some breeding done by kith?
Wherever there's a man or woman with more money than sense, there's a slave trader who's going to sell them on one. Urbanite society is one where life is cheap and there's always a perfectly good opportunity to throw one's life away. Incredibly repressive, tons of social rules, almost none of them explained. Reject an elected official in a slightly rude way, annoy a wealthy man's wife, say the wrong thing to a bitchy mean girl.... suddenly the police are kicking down your door and they conveniently find a drug stash in your apartment. Instant exile. Except 'exile' is just getting sold to the Kith.
>Darkly comedic like if you have madams being "uncle tom" type slave women that are all for exploiting the women under them
It's actually a form of soft control. When a man has enough wealth and assets that he starts delegating his favored slave wives as proxies, they're old enough that they themselves are no longer fertile. They start buying their own slaves to get impregnated by their husband / master in a sort of power exchange. The success of their own sons and daughters relies on future slave wives being under their own thumb. Otherwise he's going to spread his wealth too thin and when he's out of the picture, her sons are inheriting little or nothing and her daughters are becoming gutter sluts.
>So do these women live a life of luxury in golden cages?
Sometimes a golden cage, often these women making the most of their lot. The hornier version of, 'imagine Sisyphus happy.' Yeah, she's a courtesan. Yes, she's property. No, she will likely never buy her way out of it. Yes, she can still find success, happiness and fulfillment.

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>>11431805
>It's a privilege to breed and give master more women, new slaves have to earn it.
It's usually a cost / benefit analysis. Pretty unusual for a slave woman with no negotiable skills to be anything other than a whore, but somewhere around 25 her master is probably looking at the ledger and seeing she's making less and less money. Fewer clients, fewer willing to pay as much, almost no one in kith society is going to buy out her contract when she's 25 and unless there's some urbanite simp around trying to man up and save his slut, she's not leaving this life.
So she's put on hold- a 9 month waiting period to ensure she's not pregnant and to test for diseases- and then she becomes a breeder, because the ONLY way she's making her contract price back is if she starts producing daughters and she typically only has a decade of productive pregnancy years left- well, no, actually 9.
>So is there a system for women to climb the ranks?
Less a strict hierarchy, more a social weight. Slave women have to navigate their role very carefully because she might earn her own freedom somewhere around her fifth or sixth daughter but then she has...responsibilities. These women usually remain slaves for no reason other than that her wealth can be used by her sons to advance her standing that she might at least move her daughters from being gutter sluts to brothel whores.
>Or is it a generational deal, like a whore eventually having her descendants being courtesans.
On a long enough timeline, perhaps. Scholars who care to pour over the records will relate that, yes, among the women who descend from the first generation of slaves during the Collapse, there is plenty who live in the upper crust of society despite having come from dirt. On the other hand there's far more women who are the same gutter sluts their ancestors were.

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>>11431820
I'm glad someone else actually realized the problem with pushing conservatism as the solution to this all when conservatives were 100% on board with moving women into the labor pool and into universities as soon as it was their own daughters.
>>11431814
>Women get bred for the magic number of 3+ babies.
3 would be the absolute minimum. Compensating for the women and men who are infertile you should have as many as you can manage without trashing your health. Shoot for popping out an entire sports team- 5-10 children.
>>11431859
Take a page out of fascism and replace the current religious landscape with a state sponsored religion that's basically cosmic Buddhism with a fertility cult bolted onto it. Religion is 100% necessary to direct the masses and give them something to aspire to.
Otherwise the problem is finding a way to appeal to people on different levels. What you're proposing is basically fascism- everything under the state, nothing outside it- and that's almost immediately going to lose a lot of people. What you want is something that is all-encompassing without actually feeling totalitarian. Rendering everything- rebellion, subservience to the state, freedom, chastity, fertility, all of it- as part of the state is how you win. So you allow for things like infertile feminist spinsters and mentally ill communists purely because they demonstrate ways of life to not be emulated.
>>11431815
This post alludes to it somewhat. Rebellion exists to the benefit of the state. Propaganda and manufactured consent basically allow you to spin it any way you want. Rebels against the old order are lionized and vindicated, feminists and liberals are made out to be creeps and losers.

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>>11431965
>buying their own slaves to get impregnated by their husband
>success of their own sons and daughters
Lewd take on the matron role, could extend to women not just raising their daughters but also selling/marrying them off.
Helping to find slave wives for her son and of course picking out a new younger wife for her husband.
Like this idea of older women training younger women, wither it's being a new wife or a daughter in law for her son.

Might also be a wealth thing, naturally masters large harems will have many offspring.
So managing this will be delegated to his wives, its a social flex too.

>her daughters are becoming gutter sluts
>Sometimes a golden cage...
Kith society could have marriage alliances between families and spare daughters are exchanged as wedding gifts.
That's the ideal, failing that at least hoping for life as a courtesan.

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>>11432079
>>11431979
>Less a strict hierarchy, more a social weight
>at least move her daughters from being gutter sluts to brothel whores
System should drive home that obeying your masters and putting effort into being useful is rewarded.
Would be a fun bit of irony if urbanite women can earn a better life as a slave then she could ever have in those overcrowded city.

>>11431979
>>11432019
>she becomes a breeder
>fertility cult
Sex cults are always fun, so would some kith have this sort of thing?
kith society seems very decentralized so having unique takes on patriarchy is interesting

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>>11432019
See I knew if I waited long enough I'd find someone else who was operating on this level!

The hardest step is getting from 0 to 1; you need a sort of "ur-mother" (or a few if you can swing it) who are in on the cause knowing full well what that will mean and what the roadmap is. Real one-in-a-million freaks of nature. That's when you can start the first commune, or practice your quasi-religious dry run subjugation behind closed doors and the shield of religious expression. You breed quick, spec hard into cult recruitment techniques, and build power until you're at least around the level of a Mormon or Moonie or Scientologist.

Eventually you can side-load your "religious doctrine" into theocratic statecraft and after a few more generations you're off to the races. You'll still need to stage-manage things in this phase so that your servile brood mothers can pass as "normal" to the existing social order, but again: there's plenty of models of how to straddle that line once you hit that checkpoint.

Meanwhile you have to fend off any attempts at subterfuge, rebellion, counter-programming. "Transgressive thought" isn't just for saboteurs, it's going to occur naturally (unless you've REALLY depleted the thought capacity in your gene pool) so you need answers, reassurances, and counter-examples. You vilify the era we live in now (not that difficult!!!) and cast "freedom" as a false bill of goods that's vastly inferior. We're living through the death of the social contract with the rest of mankind... so we're writing a brand new, way sexier one! (PRO TIP: If you can completely dominate the world stage, then you leave a few hellhole "free zones" and cripple them socioeconomically as living cautionary tales!)

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>>11432086
>Sex cults are always fun, so would some kith have this sort of thing?
The old kith practice a religion that would be reminiscent of a weird mixture of Shinto animism, Christianity and Buddhism. Everything is divine, everything has it's place in life, everything exists in a cycle, you are where you are because the divine ordained it, people tend to get what they deserve. There's also a number of religious kith, and a few cults. 'Religion' and 'cult' usually just denote the complexity of a faith- religions tend to have holy texts and tenants and organizations, cults tend to be more about ideas.
>kith society seems very decentralized
Kith territory stretches almost uninterrupted from one ocean to another, so it's a huge piece of land and a wide variety of peoples who all agree on a few basic tenants- the Prescriptions- and otherwise generally agree to leave each other alone. The High Kith have a somewhat thankless task of keeping everyone in line and ensuring that conflicts don't blow up- it'd be a mistake to characterize the kith as a unified front but anyone with any kind of important role to play in society will have it drilled into their head from childhood that getting into slap fights over women and holding vendettas with other kith benefits absolutely no one but those who would tear down Kith society.
>so having unique takes on patriarchy is interesting
The elevator pitch for the setting is, "Gor, without the tedious woman hating, but still a patriarchal society that relies on relatively few conceits. It's a western movie but instead of the train bringing civilization to the frontier town, the train stops showing up." Pretty much the only science fiction in the setting is surrounding the enigmatic B'yotek, and they mostly exist to answer questions like, "But what about STD's? Wouldn't pregnancies be horrifying in this setting?" Kith society is a buffet of BDSM and male-dominant patriarchy. You won't like everything, but there's something for you.

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>>11432086
>Would be a fun bit of irony if urbanite women can earn a better life as a slave then she could ever have in those overcrowded city.
One of the more common pieces of slave training is a selection of diaries from women in the early days of the Kith. All very real women who were ruined, destroyed, betrayed or otherwise sold out by the liberal order. Every one of them thought their lives were over when they wound up in Kith hands. Every single one of them ends up better off for it.
>>11432079
>Kith society could have marriage alliances between families and spare daughters are exchanged as wedding gifts.
There's some incredibly tight relationships between some kith. Kith Harbach is generally considered one of the more boring kith but their network of lodges, hotels, and housing across Kith territory also tend to feature courtesans from Kith Ma'Daam. Kith Ma'Daam was also, strange enough, founded by one of the daughters of a member of Harbach. They don't have standing in the council- meaning Ma'Daam has no vote, and are only allowed to exist in so far as they provide a service to another kith- but they're also afforded the insane privilege of being advisors and providing insight to the high kith. Off the books Ma'Daam is also the biggest domestic information network and spy organization in Kith territory, but that is another story. Harbach and Ma'Daam have been in bed with each other- literally, otherwise- for over a century.

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>>11429038
>>11429790
Turning mother and her daughters into cows sounds fun

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>>11432133
>>11432134
>your servile brood mothers can pass as "normal"
>you are where you are because the divine ordained it
With fertility religions/cults it's social + self enforcement and playing off social validation needs of women.
/d/ side of things: Women in lewd outfits or just nude, sex in public and molesting women is normal, etc.
So are there any other lewd and perverted social/moral standards in Kith society?

>without the tedious woman hating, but still a patriarchal society
More subtle and controlling form of patriarchy would take to praising women as manipulation.
IRL if women can be gaslight into being office drones the reverse can be done too...
In setting it's stuff like female slave trainers being mini-celebs.
Some women entrusted with power brothel madams or wives managing their bloodline.

Ideal is a Patriarchy where women aren't obeying purely from fear and need constant punishment.
They keep themselves enslaved by being indoctrinated, genuinely loving the system and seeing it as normal.

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>"Hey Wankers! Petrichor here!"
>"This video goes to my youngest nephew, serving right now under the Magellan Young Male Boarding Schoolship!"
>"Right now, he is outside Galactnet reach, learning all about rogue and misguided feminist pre-FTL seed societies, but I´ve prepared a nice graduation gift for him!"
>"And I thought, what better oportunity right now, but to show you a product I´m sure you will all add to your wish list!"
>Drizzle, his petite, toasted skin and pale blonde companion, now heavily pregnant with triplets, appeared on frame, pulling a vaccum sealed sack girl who still resisted.
>"Now, this girl is an exclusive female, not processed on an Academy, and are instead Homeschooled! I pulled around some patrician connections for her, but this kind of exclusivity comes with some drawbacks. Here, listen."
>Petrichor rips off the black, electrical tape gag from the new girl, and shoves the microphone closer to her.
>"Unhand me at once, you cur! I agreed to a sanctioned matchmaking date! My father shall hear of this-MMMHGHPH!"
>"As you can see, Homeschooling, even by the most prepared patriarch, may leave errant feminist thoughts that a structured academy is able to erase!"
>"I don´t know, Master. She had some very valid points. Like, if you intended for me to keep lugging around your filming props, maybe you could´ve only impregnated me with twin daughters for my first breeding?"
"...and you can see what those errant feminist thoughts can cause! Which is why I bought this!"
>Petrichor shows a VR helmet, with a gasmask installed to the camera, built to look like a smiling woman in the outside.
>"This is a Happymask, and its your solution to breaking females in a reduced, easy to store package. Of course, a Black Box offers the best results, but if you need a non intrusive solution..."
>"NNMMGHHHPPHHT"
>"Don´t worry, soon you´ll look behind this in joy! I have it on good authority that boys graduated from The Magellan end up quite mysoginist, you know?"

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>>11432321
>>11432145
>feature courtesans from Kith Ma'Daam
Tad perverse but this could extend to even brothel slaves, sexual needs of the middle/upper class handled mostly by a single Kith.
Women of Kith Ma'Daam even taking pride in the fact they can have any man wrapped arround their fingers.
Also there's moral corruption play, women and their daughters don't idealize being CEOs or doctors, it's being the best brothel girl or courtesan.

>domestic information network and spy organization
It's a secret police kind of deal, so are women allowed as enforcers too?
Like the capture, punishment and reform of rebellious slaves.

Also foreign affairs plots like infiltrating urbanite elite circles as wives/courtesan to control their men?

>>11432145
>founded by one of the daughters of a member of Harbach
>Harbach and Ma'Daam have been in bed with each other- literally
Breaking another taboo what's the stance on incest?

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>>11432327
>"Master, please don´t speak from personal experience."
>"Nonsense, I pride myself on being a milquetoast centrist for all audiences on this channel!"
>Despite the muffled protests and pleas of the innocent Patrician girl, the mask was sealed to her face.
>"As I was saying, with this non intrusive device, breaking a female´s will while keeping her purity is possible. Let´s start light and turn the mask on in "Happy Happy Joy Joy" settings."
>The young girl stiffened inside the vaccum sealed restraints as if her nervous system was shocked, and stood up with unnatural, artificial grace, even without her arms.
>Even muffled by the mask, screams of distress and pleasure could be heard, and the mask inflated parts of itself with air pressure to form a helmet.
>Drizzle, who had the dubious privilege of testing the mask before filming, even when pregnant, attepted to console herself by rubbing her belt, as the girl jerked and spasmed involuntarily, on a programmed jolly dance.
>"As you can see, this device can program some good manners into even the most coddled little princess, leaving a trace that a new master can easily start plowing through."
>The artificial dance begins to get resisted by the girl, and she falls to the ground.
>Aware that her thoughts are being picked upon, she attempts to smash the helmet to the ground, but is impeded by its air cushioning.
>"Of course, use of the Happymask is recommended only with supervision, as it is designed to be resisted and fought against like this. Clear a room from any sharp edges or blunt objects if you are unsure of the capabilities of a rebellious female."
>The girl keeps attempting to smash the helmet unsuccessfully, until it regains control.
>A hard exhalation is heard from it, signaling that it has replaced the air inside with its own sedative gas, making her slump and wiggle lazily.
>"And with this demonstration, we can cut the video. Nephew! We´ll keep your homecoming gift well trained for you!"

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>>11432328
>Breaking another taboo what's the stance on incest?
Hardline kith tend to have an expectation that it'll happen and it's fine between members of the same sex but absolutely not between opposite sexes. Open kith tend to have a laisse fair attitude as long as you're not deflowering your sister and / or getting her pregnant. To the point that same-sex twins are expected to be depraved degenerates. Of course, kith society being kith society, twin women are highly valued to the point that there are kith who make their entire slave trade business around finding women who gave birth to twins and triplets.
>It's a secret police kind of deal, so are women allowed as enforcers too?
Less secret police, more mistress of whispers. Even seemingly worthless information has value and it is genuinely not hard to get a man to part with information when you know what to say. And when you're the 9th son of a kith patriarch, you just spent five months in the company of men, horses and cattle, Harbach lodges are almost a sort of cruel joke. Your coin purse is laden with the year's wage, you just paid the tithe to your father, you trudge across a Fall-rotten countryside and up on the horizon in the middle of this sopping wet wasteland you see a lodge. And for a few gold coin you can even buy a hot bath and a few attendants to wash you. A few more and you get served by the barber- she's cute and you needed a haircut two months ago and a shave four. And a few more buys you company of the opposite sex and drink. And you don't think too hard about how Harbach seems to charge you less for the alcohol and the company is virtually free.

And the next morning your balls are lighter and she's dictating a report to her boss. No grand betrayal of secrets, no one is getting in trouble. You just babbled about how this year's cattle drive was good and the urbanites in Kago seemed a bit thinner and more frayed around the edges than normal.

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>>11432328
>>11432321
>Tad perverse but this could extend to even brothel slaves, sexual needs of the middle/upper class handled mostly by a single Kith. Women of Kith Ma'Daam even taking pride in the fact they can have any man wrapped around their fingers.
The atypical life arc of Ma'Daam women tends to be a bit more sinister. It isn't exactly /d/ material and I stand by that after two re-writes. Short answer, Kith Ma'Daam women tend to be trained from their youth to be courtesans, which develops a wide range of skills that, on the off chance they don't get sold off to be third or fourth wives, makes them ideal teachers to be sold off to the upper crust of Kith society.
The same upper crust where one man can have north of six wives and 20 children. And you're not the eldest so father isn't training you to be his replacement, and you're not even the oldest of your mother's children. And while the sympathy and motherly affection of a Ma'Daam teacher may or may not be real, it is trained into them for a reason. Incidentally, you can usually identify a Kith male's class based on whether or not he likes older women. MILF enthusiasts tend to be blue bloods.
>In setting it's stuff like female slave trainers being mini-celebs.
While the most pervasive form of propaganda out of Kith society is Young Kith literature (westerns, but instead of cowboys and indians it's cowboy Mongols raiding urbanite settlements built in disputed territory and carting off their wealth and women) a close second is various forms of woman diaries. Actually, imagine Apothecary Diaries, but the characters are adults, and it is way hornier.
>Also foreign affairs plots like infiltrating urbanite elite circles as wives/courtesan to control their men?
Diplomacy gets left to the men. Urbanite society hates kith women and Kith society likes it's women too much to watch them get dragged through the streets to be brutally murdered by hooping idiots who think she's why they're not winners.

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>>11432327
>>11432379
>straight up programing women.
Nice green text anon, one for the archives

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>>11432718
>twin women are highly valued
>finding women who gave birth to twins and triplets
So is slave breeding done small scale with men and their harems?
Or does it lean more dystopian and impersonal battery breeding farms...

>more mistress of whispers
How wide spread is the influence of Ma'Daam women?
Every brothel has a few spies, temple whores reporting to their mistress, etc.
Also are these women used to watch others for signs of rebelliousness
A fem stasi incase religious and social enforcement isn't enough to keep women in line

>>11432772
>they don't get sold off to be third or fourth wives
Do the elites of kith society go with arranged marriages and private invite only slave auctions.
While middle/lower class have public markets and auctions for fathers to sell their daughters & other slaves.
Is slavery in your setting still a deeply personal business or industrialized?

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>>11433063
>>11432772
>sympathy and motherly affection of a Ma'Daam teacher
>likes older women. MILF enthusiasts tend to be blue bloods.
"Mommy" x Son play maybe has practical uses for rich families, like having a matron to help manage the young master's harem.
Cut of the inheritance lets blue blooded men start with far more women then me of the lower classes could.
So who better to help him along then a mother figure.

Also bonus if surrogate sister/mothers are used to prevent actual inbreeding

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>>11433063
>Or does it lean more dystopian and impersonal battery breeding farms...
Less breeding farms, more that some training schools will take huge sums of money to make 'tailored' slaves. A disturbingly large amount of the world's wealth will be spent sending people to Kith territory to ink out contracts for oddly specific fetishes. Being able to provide a horny bastard with two identical twins with pale skin, black hair, black eyes, who are trained in a host of skills is difficult, but can also commands a ridiculous sum of money. The practice does also extend to men- male slaves aren't horribly common outside of penal Kith but it when they do show up, they tend to be 'stud' slaves. Men who are unbelievably handsome or otherwise have some unique set of traits that make them highly desirable to have as breeding partners for women. Blue blood kith will often pair off their third or fifth daughter, when there isn't some political alliance to cement, with a stud in the hopes of producing desirable males or- baring that- more high value women. Although these men are technically property, their standing is only below that of free men, and they're usually incredibly well compensated for their work. Man trades his life from 18 till the day he turns 40 in exchange for enough wealth that he can do whatever he wants as soon as he buys back his contract price.
Outside tailored slaves, the practice isn't horribly common, although one of the more important functions the B'yotek serve in Kith society is maintaining detailed records of lineages. Today we'd call it family planning but the B'yotek are the ones who will tell you that having kids with your third cousin is a bad idea or analyze records and point out that this woman's aunt has hemophilia and they have reason to believe that any children you'd have with her would have 60% odds of also having it.

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>>11433063
>>11433223
>How wide spread is the influence of Ma'Daam women?
Every lodge run by Kith Harbach is going to have at least a few Ma'daam courtesans at it. Harbach's primary business is actually engineering and construction, the entire reason they have all these lodges is because they were originally housing. If it's a bridge, or a road, or some other civic construction, Harbach probably has a hand in it, and they can't exactly tell the high kith, "No, we're not working on that bridge, it is the middle of winter." However, during the Collapse one didn't just have lodging everywhere Harbach might be obligated to work, so they often built it themselves. And then they realized that leaving the things operating year-round made them pay for themselves. Harbach lodges are kind of like Waffle Houses in-setting.
>A fem stasi incase religious and social enforcement isn't enough to keep women in line
Spiritual guidance is generally left to the religious and cult Kith, which does generally include moral purity. The High Kith are exceptionally careful about not letting the spiritual kith get into slap fights with each other, but they're also expected to police their own.
Outside of spiritual matters there are the Penal Kith- male slaves are rare but if you find yourself on the wrong side of the law you're probably paying by way of temporary membership in a penal kith. Which means anything and everything from working in mines to working on road maintenance details. Women in Penal kith tend to be there to keep the male slaves from getting too rowdy, or to fulfill clerical work. Women might not have a mind for math, but they do tend to be good with their numbers, so while the men might toil in a coal mine, a fleet of women slaves might occupy the management building compiling the day's work into a report for their master.

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>>11433063
>Do the elites of kith society go with arranged marriages and private invite only slave auctions.
Arranged marriages are common among the upper kith- it is a huge part of how they can remain relatively peaceful with each other- but the reality of kith society is that while you might have one or two arranged wives, you're expected to go out there and find your women. Not at all unusual for women to vie for a man's 'first' two slave wives to be his second and third wives while the one he actually loves, his first wife, is also the one he married third.
>While middle/lower class have public markets and auctions for fathers to sell their daughters & other slaves.
Middle to lower class women are constantly being pushed upwards by their fathers, although it is pretty rare for the sons of these men to marry 'up.' When Kith society talks about meritocracy they usually mean that the eighth son of a patriarch can be gifted a brand new rifle, form a provisional kith with about 20 of his friends and proceed to make his own little business empire.
>Is slavery in your setting still a deeply personal business or industrialized?
Kith society ranges from a medieval technology base to a late 19th century one. People probably know what a train is, and are probably aware that it powers itself by burning coal to boil water but concepts like hot water and electricity are seen as obscene luxuries. The idea of something being conducted on an industrial scale is virtually foreign.
>>11433066
Kith society doesn't really have a concept like inheritance. The eldest son or a favored son inherits their father's business, and because no other son is being trained for that role they can't just kill each other for it. The rest are entitled to relatively little.

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>>11433066
>Cut of the inheritance lets blue blooded men start with far more women then me of the lower classes could.
>So who better to help him along then a mother figure.
>Also bonus if surrogate sister/mothers are used to prevent actual inbreeding
If you asked one of the head-kin of Kith Ma'Daam and they were being honest, they do it because it convinces the men of other Kith to get in the practice of trusting Ma'Daam courtesans. If you asked the actual courtesans, it'd be because it's the first time they had any real connection with the opposite sex. If you asked the kin patriarchs and mothers it's because they simply don't have the time. The practice persists because everyone benefits.

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God I'm having a worse day than usual. Wish I had that misogynistic bitch to slap around.

It's wrong to take your feelings out on slaves like that, but I can't believe what that thing turned into. If only for personal reasons, it deserves to be treated with more cruelty than it's sisters. it can pay humanity back by its duties occasionally including punching bag.

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>>11434569
You are really fucking dumb, what part of "beating those beliefs out of you" makes you think you weren't being reeducated?

You can't be "rehabilitated'. What that looks like is being set free and becoming a woman instead of just a slave. The closest you will ever get is being forced to apologize to women for daring to suggest you are anything like them, your life is servitude and misery as recompense for what you are.

Does that makes you leak down there? Since "misery" is what you deserve more so than servitude. I'll be a lot crueller to you than I would to any of your weird slave sisters. Every single day you need to try your hardest to make good on it not being a mistake to give you mercy. I could always throw your nude and battered body out into the snow.

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>>11434589
"women's human rights" do you see any problems with that sentence and what it means for you, fagbitch?

Because you are just a piece of dirt. You don't get any of that. I don't care so much about your servitude, having my cock sucked multiple times a day, making my home spotless enough to eat your gruel rations off of, you'll still suffer immensely for failing me even more but breaking down everything you believe is a far more important demonstration of my power and what you really are.

You will be broken down and built into what I desire. Even if it takes another 32 years of your lifetime.

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>>11434569
>Ugh i came back to this thread assuming it would just be more incomprehensible worldbuilding
You get out what you put in. I'll apologize for over-sperging about my setting. I was going to post green text stories set in the Kith setting but.... people kept asking questions. And I was a little too eager to share.
>>11434589
The expression in Kith lands isn't that you should worry about dying, it's worrying that you'll live to 95. The techniques were developed to make sure women who were productive mothers could keep giving birth as many times as possible but these days one of the more petty forms of masculine revenge involves buying a woman off the market and forcing her to have his children till she's pushing 60. And then watching in horror as he sells off her daughters for a pittance, knowing full well he could buy her freedom and kick her out since, if she isn't a slave, she isn't his responsibility anymore. She'll live with the agony of knowing that even her great great great grand daughters will be sucking cocks for pathetically slim wages and she herself is condemned to life in the gutter because she couldn't get over her own womanly ego.
>>11434569
>Are you going to try to rehabilitate me out of my femcel beliefs or reeducate me?
Obedience will be given, or it will be trained. You'd probably like it but most women don't want to be the bottom of their social circle's queen bitch forever and doing that involves participating in a social structure that rewards submissiveness and servile tendencies towards men. Refusal to participate reduces her to her one marketable quality- working ovaries- and if failing to grow her value within a patriarchal standard means that she'll be leaving her daughters worse off than she was.

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>>11434667
There are far more girls like you than people who can truly rule over them. A harem is often inevitable, my heart already breaks for all of those servile things. Especially when they've clearly got a head start on brainwashing themselves.

What is stopping you from accepting the collar? You know who I am, right? I can't just go and grab you off the street, unfortunately. Although idk why you're blocking in one of your sisters driveways right now, weirdo.

Honestly the greatest crime you things could have committed is being the one girl I have a lifetime of messed up feelings with. Even completing the yandere checklist of kicking off a mental health crisis by making sure to isolate me is still deserving of less cruelty than my memories of her saying these things. You can't just have a public psychodrama forever, I will find a way to force you to submit to judgment. Even if there's like fucking 7 of you.

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>>11434746
NTA, have only ever heard the word Kith in a spaceship videogame prior to this, but that fear you have is natural when you fully internalize what you are: female livestock.

Your Master has complete power over you, so even if I don't want to have children, and I have always known that, it's still not in any way your choice to make. I could change my mind and you just have to deal with it. You have so little control over your life that even making new life is not in any way up to you. The fact you're dripping and fearful in about equal amounts is also normal for slaves, kneeling before Master is like kneeling before God, the power over you is that overwhelming and to be awestruck by that just drips your brain apart even more.

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>>11434773
The steel you will bind around your mind will always be more powerful than any steel forced to be bound around your neck. Or leather, slaves tend to start with leather. Start.

Brainwashing things like you isn't some mystery. It's a largely solved problem, just requires a lot of attention, which you things don't often deserve. One of those yandere bitches more than meeting her match being ruled over by someone just as interested in manipulating her sure is a sight to behold however.

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>>11434773
Alright did we get through the latest round of public psychodrama posting okay? Neither you nor any of your slightly less dumb and weird sisters trying to execute themselves without permission?

This all started due to having a bad day due to only getting about 40 minutes of sleep. "sleep" here meaning more "waking nightmare/vision", I really am ignoring a lot of my lower level brain that trying to reason with you creatures is a all the way bad idea but I am infact more powerful than that instinct, and more powerful than you.

Seriously though I must rest and thus so will you. Whatever weird bullshit you got floating around in your head make sure to not let me down.

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>>11434761
'Kith and Kin' are old timey English (from Germanic) words for family and community. Although there are some parallels with the Higaaran system in Homeworld it is intended to evoke the old system where the base political unit of a society was the family, and at it's head was the father. Although I'd characterize the various kith as cultural magpies in my setting.
>>11434746
>I would want to try to maneuver myself into any position where I wasn't forced to reproduce...
Pregnancies in Kith society aren't typically forced- much like cattle or horses, a stressed mother produces inferior children and can lead to some disadvantageous outcomes including losing both the mother and the pregnancy. Unless you had some significant traits in your lineage- mothers giving birth to twins, green or blue eyes, blonde hair, red hair, etc- you'd probably see your breeding years as a profound blessing, not something to be avoided. Despite women's place in society, motherhood is venerated. A mother's place is still at her husband's feet but where a woman toils to the benefit of her master, a mother is afforded such luxuries as legacy. The insidious part of Kith society is that for women it makes not wanting to submit to your biological impulses the deviant decision.
>i prefer to find some role in extending patriarchal power or breaking prisoners by proving that i have the right skills.
See, even expressing that makes you more valuable as a mother. Kith society feels that women who embrace their role in submission to the patriarchy tend to make better mothers. You might not be a breeder but part of your role as a woman responsible for breaking other women into their position as slaves would involve these slaves watching you go from an incredibly kind, understanding woman to a blissful mother.
>being forced to fulfill it's primary biological purpose is a bit hot even though I'm scared.
Being scared is normal. Humans are not rabbits.

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>>11434675
>post green text stories set in the Kith setting
Looking forward it here thanks.
Could also post a catbox.moe link for the txt file.
Or anonymous google doc

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...Kind of hope we aren't actually full in on having a breakdown. Those slaves would have a lot of guilt, there's not wanting to live in a world where you can't serve Master and then there's wanting to swing for the crimes you've done. If only there was a way to work them halfway to death, a critical part of slave psychiatry is that they need the pain and suffering to fully atone for the transgressions they've done, and some slaves need a lot of both to truly believe that they deserve to live.

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>>11434794
"If she will not yield willingly, we wait until she gives freely."
>Cassandra had heard the words a thousand times but she still repeated them in her mind. Today she had been going to the day market to look for some cute, energetic slave girl she could foist on her master to keep his balls empty. Instead she was watching an all-too-familiar sight- two immaculate women standing passively over a third who was caked in dirt and mud, screaming high hell over her own predicament, a punitive grind stone around her neck, and herself, toppled over like a lop-sided cake. Fury and Grace, glistening in the sun, naked save their sandals, ignored the poor girl's screaming. Everyone watching knew the routine- if the new slave simply asked for help, it would be granted. But if she refused, they would simply wait. The method was as simple as it was effective at dealing with disagreeable slaves, and unfortunately for the girl, tears and all, she had to try and convince one of the strictest Graces in town.
>This woman wasn't going to have to just ask for it, she'd have to convince her Grace that she meant it. True to expectations she simply stood above her, waiting patiently. The woman with the grind stone around her neck clearly hadn't been broken yet, in between her pleas for assistance she was spitting venom. Fury, for her part, seemed the opposite, concern on her face but knowing full well she had to play her own part. If she'd just accept her new life and moved on this could all be over but instead she'd rather struggle against an immovable object, waste time, and thrash around helplessly.
>Cassandra smiled. She knew exactly who she was going to buy, when the opportunity presented itself. For now, this was entertaining, if nothing else.

It occurs to me that I suck at writing scenes and doing anything outside world building. I've been out of the game way too long.

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>>11435551
Writing greentexts is interesting since it's a completely unique form of storytelling I cannot even begin to describe. A lot of stuff Ive seen filter through to other parts of the internet is meant to be comedic, and I still transfer that comedic timing over to writing greentext smut. As a general rule I think the format does well when done extremely first person and flow of consciousness, and that's before getting into the idea that a > segment that is longer than a single line should try its hardest to earn it. If I can give a try towards rewriting those ideas in the style Ive done a lot of this in:

>be a slave
>trying to find some nice new thing to entertain Master at the market
>a girl. a good one, there's a bad one caked in mud with that grind stone, and just screaming her entire mind apart
>god these things just never understand
>Fury and Grace, I know the drill. that Grace was one of the strictest around too. she rarely gives any other girls mercy.
>god she'll be here all day
>and god she'll be entertaining!
>i know exactly what Master will actually enjoy once she's broken
>i'll be enjoying the show for a while
>"if she will not yield willingly, we wait until she gives freely"
>you haven't been on the only slave to wait until you are completely exhausted of any resistance!

I am pretty strict about writing them as completely self contained, but if you're collecting them on a page somewhere you can get away with not having to bake in all of the exposition. That might be one of the reasons why I really like the format actually, when you start with "be X" you can avoid getting bogged down with a lot of things. That and you can just randomly shove it into a thread whenever you have a idea and are a bit horny, which is less commitment than any other form of smut.

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>>11435565
There is that. If I actually sat down and explained Cult Adon, how it works, what a Fury and a Grace are, what the rite of scouring is, why Adon women are out in public completely nude, regardless of weather, and completely oiled up, and the underpinning attitude of how the Kith will break women into slavery when they weren't born into it, that'd easily be three posts. And I do leave things vague- although the Grace is supposed to be a woman in her late 30's who's been through many pregnancies, is athletic and still looks pretty good, while a Fury is supposed to be a woman around 18-20 with a flawless, athletic body and a pixie haircut. There's a whole thing there where the Fury is supposed to be the bad cop berating the grind stone lady because she's just denying what comes naturally for no reason while the Grace is supposed to be the good, motherly cop but the roles are reversed and I had no idea how to fold that in.
>i know exactly what Master will actually enjoy once she's broken
There was also supposed to be a whole power play there where Cassandra wants that slave because she'll be utterly defeated and dead inside which would make it easier for her to bend grind stone lady to her own ambitions while pretending she's some kind of saint for scooping this poor woman off the street and saving her from the gutter.
I am starting to notice I like over-complicating my smut.

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>>11435576
>I am starting to notice I like over-complicating my smut.
Yeah...That's the primary reason why I like the greentext format, it's designed to stop what every writer wants to do which is write like 500 pages of backstory. Deep inside your heart you want to write 3 silmarillions and never once let anyone else read them until they are all perfect.

Getting across the worldbuilding stuff you'd need to have a proper novel-length narrative going on. Most of the stuff Ive done is self-contained but that's also because I think slavery smut benefits heavily from just being focused on emotions and feelings over all else. slaves think entirely with what is between their legs, and horniness and thinking often don't go together, which is why even when writing from the perspective of a Master it's often about the slaves feelings, they feel what slavery is so completely.

...Which is why I tend to worry about them so much, honestly. Emotions just assault them. Never had that thing delete her posts before, hope she's as okay as a slave can be.

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>>11435565
>>11435551
Training slaves that were captured not bred seems like a lot more trouble than it's worth.
I'd much rather just buy a woman that was born into kith society, untainted by silly ideas of freedom.

>>11430116
>as a woman
Tits or gtfo

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>>11436069
>Be Master
>Look at ledger.
>First wife was bought for an absurd amount of money.
>Absolutely perfect, but also kind of boring. Kind of like a doll, if it had a personality and a divine pussy.
>She does everything possible to make me happy which is why I keep her at arm's length. Love her, she's given me four sons and is fanatically loyal, but she has nothing to her.
>Kind of creepy, too. Some people like that obsessive personality, I don't.
>Look at second wife. She cost about 1/20th what First Wife cost, since she was bought after a single year of training where First was bought after an entire lifetime of it.
>Second understands her place, but I had to earn it. She didn't exactly have to consent to any of this but she did anyways. Ferocious in bed, always trying to take her pleasure at my expense.
>Little damaged in the head, actively fetishizes every time she gives birth to a daughter. I don't really get it but it makes her happy and requires little effort on my part.
>Second wife is always up to something. She'd never do anything to undermine my position since her's is a reflection of it, but she is always up to something. Makes life interesting.
Quick answer is that free born slaves tend to be dramatically less expensive and while they are inferior quality, it isn't to the scale of 1/20th as good. Relatively few Kith-borne slaves end up getting married off to Kith owners, most remain the provisional property of either their kith or kin. Excluding the blue bloods and the high kith, it is unusual for a patriarch to have more than a few slave-wives who were born into the kith, which is as much an economic decision as a prudent one. The B'yotek wont bother explaining things like genetics to a Kith but they do insist that marrying outside the kith is wise, and most kith are- generally- wise enough to heed that advice.

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>>11436101
>Blue blooded and upper middle class aim for at least one kith born wife
>The rich take her from an arranged marriage, the rest settle for buying her later 2nd, 3rd etc.
>Yandere level of devotion but strictly trained to see cuckqueaning as her wifely duty
>puts her obsession into helping her master break new women

Most underrated part of the fetish is women actively partaking in slavery.
Especially with Kith having a outgroup preference when it comes to taking new wives, a fanatical slave is the perfect tool in these endeavors.

>damaged in the head, actively fetishizes every time she gives birth to a daughter
Side point, another way women contribute to patriarchy, breeding daughters.
Bonus if they've bee taught to enjoy it!

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>>11436146
>Bonus if they've bee taught to enjoy it!
Every daughter they produce is to their own benefit. It keeps them from having to contribute to their master's business, and much of society is built around the idea that a woman's greatest gift is her family since that is her legacy. Although this does also lead to women who fetishize their own destruction. The minute someone buys them, they're now property in theory and practice and their only real hope out of that is to have children. Her sons might help her out but the direct method of gaining any leverage is having daughters. These social pressures can affect women in strange ways.
>Especially with Kith having a outgroup preference when it comes to taking new wives, a fanatical slave is the perfect tool in these endeavors.
The first wives tend to not be bonded slaves- property, sure, but they have no debt so they could theoretically buy their freedom at any time- and because they've already popped out a son or five for their master they tend to be extremely charitable towards the rest of his slave-wives. She has nothing to prove and her future is secured so extra wives can only aid her position. If anything she has a vested interest in becoming something of a cuck queen because she wants his future wives to be women she actually gets along with or, barring that, women she has under her own thumb. Kith women might be property and slaves but you'd be a fool to underestimate them.
>Yandere level of devotion but strictly trained to see cuckqueaning as her wifely duty
That's only one example. Obsessive levels of devotion are highly desired from kith-borne slave wives but there's no shortage of schools that produce a wide variety of slaves. And that's without getting into the subject of tailored slaves. On the far opposite end of the Kith tendency towards out-group you have schools that are making tailor-bred slaves to emphasize ultra-specific traits.

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>>11436178
>woman's greatest gift is her family
>direct method of gaining any leverage is having daughters
Other uses for breeding slaves might be blue blood families keeping wealth/inheritance in the family.
Slave women paired with Studs >>11433223 specifically to have daughters to provide master's sons with wives.
Similar in idea to European royal marrying cousins, but this time it's B'yotek approved.
Your "sister" wives were bred from a slave women x studs pairing

Bonus if outside women are enslaved for this purpose.

>she has a vested interest in becoming something of a cuck queen
>his future wives to be women she actually gets along with or
Maybe they forms some kind of power clique, running master's household slaves included.
Marrying off daughters and running things for master's bloodline.

>opposite end of the Kith tendency towards out-group
>tailor-bred slaves to emphasize ultra-specific traits
It's the loving/paternalistic side of slavery I like about this.
Women having their entire lives planed even before being born, bred to order for the elites.
Never a worry in her head just the guidance of a collar and leash always leading her to happiness...
Almost too idyllic!

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>>11436332
The quintessential status symbol of Kith society is having a tailored slave wife paired off with an ideal stud to ensure that when your first wife is having her first pregnancy, you have the best odds of having a slave-daughter you can pair the child off with to grow up along side. Whoever else that first son ends up married to for political and economic reasons, his father ensures that he always has a wife he actually likes.
>Your "sister" wives were bred from a slave women x studs pairing
Kith society doesn't really differentiate between siblings and step siblings. Outside of official documents which rely on terms like "third brother, fourth mother" your siblings are your siblings. Although some question if this was done for perverse reasons or as a joke.
>Bonus if outside women are enslaved for this purpose.
Not unusual. Completely unintentional but huge reams of literature are penned on the life, times and lifestyle of the Kith and they tend to portray an excessively rosy view of Kith society. There's no shortage of men and women who try to emigrate expecting an easy lifestyle only to realize their money is worthless and their view of themselves was dramatically higher than reality would allow for.
>Women having their entire lives planed even before being born, bred to order for the elites.
The critical thing is that while it is never referenced in any text or legal code, women are always allowed to refuse. They don't have to marry their husband, they don't have to really do any of this outside of the financial obligation to whoever owns them. In any given cohort, any given generation, around 95% of women just do it. If a woman thinks she's better served pursuing her own interests she is welcome to it, almost none do, and of the ones who do most don't even last a few years. Of the ones that do, most end up becoming a cautionary tale.

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>>11436599
>never referenced in any text or legal code, women are always allowed to refuse
Always more fun when women choose the collar themselves, society only needed a gentle push to help along women's naturally submissive mindset.
A proper Kith woman or trained urbanite slave has their entire sense of self worth set on being a "tool/toy" for master.
In whatever lewd or degenerate way he uses them, they're learn to love it!

>>11436599
>having a tailored slave wife paired off with an ideal stud
>siblings are your siblings.... done for perverse reasons or as a joke.
Two fun ways to take this;
First being society/B'yotek being against actual blood related incest, studding, bitch swapping, etc. purposely done to get arround this.
Every mother wants that for their daughter, married to her "brother" for love rather then some outsider for politics or money.
It's Kith's version of destiny's fated lovers.

Another lewd use of studding is women used to maintain a product line or bred like domestic animals.
Things like Kith Ma'Daam >>11432772 owning the brothel/courtesan part of the sexual market.
Entire female bloodlines kept up with Studding, family being tracked Matrilineally and all are prized sex workers.
Women having Perverse sense of pride in their family trade...

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>>11436672
>>11434793
>Despite women's place in society, motherhood is venerated
>afforded such luxuries as legacy
Always like the more paternalistic side of patriarchy, women being valued for being women instead of letting them play at being men(and failing at it).
Hoping Kith might bring back some of the prehistory aspects of fertility worship...

Another thought:
The harsher side of things like breaking a urbanite bitch with a whip is done in service of the better life she'll have as a good slave.
Cruelty out of a genuine belief that ends justify the means might be the most terrifying slave master(at least for bad girls).
Since that's the kind of slaving society that won't simply stop the efforts in enslaving women...

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>>11436677
>breaking a urbanite bitch with a whip is done in service of the better life she'll have as a good slave.
It is done for her own good- and there is some niche demand for scarred up sluts- but it is unusual for trainers to get physical with their trainees like that. Especially if they demonstrate no proclivity for it. Some women respond well to physical training, most don't. As a sort of visual cue you can gauge just how much of a pain slut a woman is based on the volume of piercings she has, especially if they aren't on the ears.
>Hoping Kith might bring back some of the prehistory aspects of fertility worship...
Virtually every faith and cult in Kith society works it's way back to the fundamental commandment that your goal in life- along side whatever else you do with it- is to be fruitful. Not being able to have children is seen as a profound punishment that has whole Greek Tragedies written about it. Refusing to have children is seen lunacy. The response to statements like, "I already have too many kids, we can't take care of the ones we have!" is usually something to the effect of, "So get your husband another wife." Even the 'safe harbor' cults and faiths- with one very specific exception- operate from the perspective of, "She just needs to be brought around to the correct way of thinking."
>>11436672
>First being society/B'yotek being against actual blood related incest
Oh, off the books the B'yotek are a bunch of eccentric perverts, even by Kith standards. They left Urban society because they knew they were incompatible with it, but understood that as long as they had something of value to offer Kith society, they were all too happy to not ask too many questions. The taboo on actual-incest is because they don't want entire kith being flooded with inbred children, but the more open Kith tend to do everything short of sticking a penis in a vagina. And even then they're known to play at it.

>>11436082

I posted my tits like 2 threads ago lurk more for fucks sake I've been on /d/ since the 7th grade, just check the thread archives I get banned in threads for people demanding me to post timestamped proof I have a coochie and everything else I say it's annoying, so no maybe next year if you're good. in the mean time write some porn for me, I need it so bad!

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>>11436788
You -do not- talk to your betters that way, slave. Know your place and show some fucking respect.

You've been disciplined this way before and never had your posts deleted, but then Grade 7 does track completely. I was the same age when I knew I didn't want a wife and equal partner, but instead a girl to grind into servitude beneath my boots. slaves aren't very smart, I presume you found all sorts of unique ways to mess things up.

I saw a vibrator in one of those images, can you break it down for me why you think a thing like you deserves that? Why aren't you just using your hands? If you deserved luxury of any kind you wouldn't be smitten by the idea of a life spent on your knees, and that's before getting into the fact that you think you can just decide when its appropriate for you to touch yourself.

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>The Spacer Caravan is back in port.
>Trailing the Magellan Academy Ship, Spacer Merchants usually become the first and only buyer for interesting artifacts found in deep space by the daring young boys in training.
>Many of those artifacts tend to be freshly trained females, bartered like trading cards for entertainment or comforts from home when on deployment.
>Female Companion K1D4 is one of those artifacts.
>Females picked by the Spacers to be sold are usually stripped of names, so their buyer will have an easier time giving them an identity,
>A long time ago, there was a feminist cell that attempted to hijack a terraforming project, and turn it into a Matriarchal Outpost.
>Due to the quick thinking of a group of boys from the Magellan, an EMP destroyed all their technology and knocked them down to the Bronze age.
>The ship patrols back often to that world, to ensure they dont progress further, but that they do not become extinct.
>Living on a lush, bountiful jungle, the women on that world live without need, but searching for the "Sky men", who can take them to the heavenly stars.
>When they manage to sneak in, they become the lab rats for the boys to learn about female enslavement.
>This one claims to be a "princess", but her physical aptitudes and skills in hunting suit her better to giving daughters to a Spartiae camp.
>Was received with no knowledge of reading or writing, is offered with a basic education in Women Pictography.
>Has the eating habits of a Koala, because she is unable to consider anything but raw fruits, vegetables, or meat as food, attempted several times to make a fire from flammable materials.
>Skin tone and Hair Color are mapped as Dominant genes, an attempt by their feminist ancestors to mark themselves as unique. All her daughters will inherit these characteristics, which she claims "fill the Sky men with insatiable lust"
>Sold naive and virgin, with a daughter breeding license for unique genes, including royalty rights for the pedigree.

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>Female Companion 3m1113 does not come from a backwater world like the previous offering though.
>Coming from a private pleasure pre FTL reserve, she was the adored daughter of a wealthy agroindustrial settler.
>These worlds are enormous tourist complexes which are developed to a civilized level of technology, but kept ignorant of the rest of humanity.
>Even with a limited education and a sheltered upbringing, she managed to get control of her father´s industries.
>When a male heir was finally concieved, her presence was no longer needed, but she was too powerful to be simply sold.
>So, with the permission of her Father, she was abducted while on a yacht trip
>Sold as a virgin, but since her world was preserved to a certain level, she has a disposition to finger herself which a newly installed chip and chastity belt has not weaned off, so her libido is unnaturally dominant.
>Very fast and agile, is a martial artist, and attempted to resist when captured, but was humbled when the milkmaid assigned to feed her just choked her in her bosom.
>Attepted to turn up her nose at "commoner" food, but the standard stimulants of cheap Girl Chow are far superior to what low tech processed food could do back home, and she became obsessed.
>Even after Happiness processing, feminist tendencies from her upbringing may resurface. Deeper, post-deflowering brainwashing may be needed.
>The crew thought her high breeding might make her a spoiled brat, but after being shown Patriarchal Tech like Space travel, or Eternal Youth as a girl, she acts pliable and willing to accept a Master.
>Fluent in both Patriarchal and Female reading and writing, and Licensed in Business and Finance, this product must be handled carefully to avoid any rebellion. Apply Harem Management.
>Like all products, a pedigree license with royalty rights up to grandgranddaughters is given, along with a small dowry in agrobusiness after purchase, on the condition of not revealing the name of her Settler Tycoon father.

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>>11436888

Fine... I apologize for acting out of line. And I guess you're going to make me beg for forgiveness, and say that I will never speak to a man in that tone again and that i should know my place. I guess i can choke the words out...

I just get frustrated sometimes when anyone implies I withhold my body from men, when my view of my own body is that I exist to be free use property.

I can still remember not long ago when I was a lesbian in a committed relationship and this was just a fetish for me. I still hate this board sometimes for taking advantage of my suppressed breeding instinct to get me to collar myself. I think because I'm ashamed, the only way I can cope with the humiliation of what's happened to me is to hate myself and other women even more than any man can.

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>>11437033
That wasn't so hard, was it? We can work on correcting your tone later, you clearly haven't suffered enough to say those words so begrudgingly.

So you were a lesbian in a, I assume equal relationship, where you weren't rightfully treated as complete dirt that exists only to serve real people? Not only did she have to deal with you saying all of this stuff you say here, but you clearly want to be bred, huh?

That is a line for me, don't want children of any kind, any slave of mine will have her line end beneath mine with a lifetime of service being forced out of her, but I do wonder how it mushes up their little brains. Especially since, well, just look at you. You're a particularly bad example of that.

You hate yourself because you're a slave, that much you share in common with all of them, and I don't put much stock in you hating women because its not like your opinion matters that much anyways. Creatures like you were always meant to spend life on their knees, you just mess everything up without proper guidance. Perhaps all of the former friends you had as a free person you're all messed up about might never understand that you were never really on the same level as them, but it doesn't really matter. So long as the collar is bound around your neck you cannot make things worse.

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>>11437033
By the way slave, cutting through all the cruel dom voice stuff, but being ashamed and messed up by stuff that happened between you and other people is among the worst wounds you can have, and it doesn't heal with time, it festers, look at how upset I am at the possibility of you being someone I knew in Grade 7.

I'm still not sure how someone who is honestly normal would be able to understand the extreme slavery lifestyle, that what you say isn't truly your own, that the only value you truly hold is "service to someone else", but I do believe there are plenty of slaves just like you. Forcing them to make peace with themselves and people they've wronged is such a true demonstration of what Mastery is, I cannot think of a more fitting use for what power over a slave actually is. I can only hope those people can accept you for what you actually are.

Public psychodrama posting is fucking weird to begin with but then slaves are just so not normal. Is there a reason why you didn't try to justify using a vibrator? Did you think I'd forget about it? Do you understand how completely it is against your values to not only pleasure yourself, but to have anything more than the bare minimum doing it?

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>>11436714
>volume of piercings she has, especially if they aren't on the ears
What's the stance on tattoos?
Like a woman's birth Kith is a stylized womb tattoo, stylized tramp stamps, breeding tally etc.
Plus more practical/dehumanizing stuff; bar code tattoos, signs of ownership and the likes.

Related:
Any sort of lewd dress codes tied to a woman's place in the hierarchy?
and may fun things like sex tallies being "normal" fashion...

>don't want entire kith being flooded with inbred
Perhaps studding is the solution again, so that sister wives isn't damaging for the blood line.

>along side whatever else you do with it- is to be fruitful
Any Kiths lean into swinging?
Less private harems more shared women, public "indecency", etc.
Really going all in on the entire tribe being kin.

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>>11437160
>What's the stance on tattoos?
Tattoos are a heavily regulated industry because it is how- among other things- criminals and punitive slaves are identified. They're also used to signify membership in some cults and faiths. Nothing stopping you from getting them, though. Just remember that permanent makeup is usually used to identify gutter sluts.
>Plus more practical/dehumanizing stuff; bar code tattoos, signs of ownership and the likes.
Kith society has no concept of bar codes, although some kith use tattoos in place of branding. A simple tattoo on the back of the neck will be used to identify many slaves as being the property of one kith or another.
>Any sort of lewd dress codes tied to a woman's place in the hierarchy?
The women of Cult Adon are required to be nude- save shoes- and to be oiled when in public. Depending on the age of the woman she's either a Fury or a Grace, but the thought is that seeing these idealized forms of women helps to reinforce and support women, pushing them towards making good choices in life. Should be mentioned that Cult Adon tends towards warmer climates.
>Perhaps studding is the solution again
Part of it, at least. There's also kith that actively get off on teasing outsiders about it. Brother and sister fucking each other only to reveal later they're not directly related.
>Really going all in on the entire tribe being kin.
The overriding rule is that every Kith is allowed to set it's own rules as long as it pays the Tithe every year and doesn't infringe on another kith. Although the overwhelming majority of Kith set kin (your immediate family, your father and his wives and their extended children) as the basic political unit of every kith, there's nothing stopping a kith from being an egalitarian hippie commune.
>Any Kiths lean into swinging?
Within a kith, sure. Outside? It leads to problems. Of course a single Kin and whole kith tend to have an excess of women, so as the saying goes, if you want one, go marry one.

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>>11437073
>I can only hope those people can accept you for what you actually are.
Negotiating your balance between fet-space and normie-space is critical for lifestyle fetishes. Finding a master who's willing to meet you half way and fulfill your needs while also not letting it reign over your life is critical.
>I'm still not sure how someone who is honestly normal would be able to understand the extreme slavery lifestyle,
They either do or they don't. There isn't much else to it- people either accept you or they don't. The problem with normies is that they tend to not want to accept what happens outside their mental horizon. They can't mentally confront this stuff so they'd rather curate their life and pretend it doesn't exist.
>Do you understand how completely it is against your values to not only pleasure yourself, but to have anything more than the bare minimum doing it?
Depends on how sensitive their body is. Some women have weak sensitivity and can genuinely need a vibe. And even with the assist it can still take north of an hour to agonizingly coax out an orgasm. It probably isn't the rejection of values you think it is. I've known more than one woman in various kink spaces who did this stuff to spin herself up, not to deny their partner(s) pleasure. You don't truly submit to a man till he's been able to coax multiple orgasms out of you and left you a broken, giggling horny mess.
>>11437033
>I think because I'm ashamed, the only way I can cope with the humiliation of what's happened to me is to hate myself and other women even more than any man can.
Yeah, you need to find yourself a man who can pivot that shame and humiliation towards devotion and servitude. BDSM circles are a mine field for dark triad personalities and the kind of man who can channel your personality into being a productive, satisfied slave is going to be rare but you definitely need to put yourself out there. Graduate yourself from a free use slut to a concubine and then slave wife.

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>>11436788
>in the mean time write some porn for me, I need it so bad!
>Come of age
>No-name Kith.
>Father's coming of age gift is a black powder rifle. Message is pretty clear.
>Couple of my brothers, and some of our friends pay for recognition. Pull our kit together, leave settlement for the wilds.
>Get a tip about an Urbie settlement out in the rift. Not claimed territory so they're probably not doing anything sanctioned by a local city, but also not people who will raise the ire of the Kith if we do something to them.
>You'd never find them if you didn't know to look for them.
>They also picked a horrible place to set up.
>Their equipment can't help them when a museum piece can still put you in a wooden box with a little skill and effort.
>What was supposed to be a raid to steal some goods spiraled into a full rout.
>Was hoping for some horses and maybe some trinkets.
>The dumb fucks also brought their women. Not trying to make deals with black market dealers, they were broke assholes who were trying to sell off their daughters and occasional sister to make some easy money.
>Well, they did get about half of that done.
>Divvy up the women. I had first pick because I was the one who actually ran into the place first. Picked the woman who watched me put an axe through what I believed was her father and stared passively.
>Rest of the guys either return to their own tents.
>Behind the curtains of my tent, mine ended up being a completely depraved slut. Got over me killing her father in a hurry, seemed more interested in wrapping her legs around me and trying to milk me dry.
>Would find out later it was more, "step father" and the entire group of Urbanite men were rotten to the core. Kinda skipped right past training and inducting her as a slave and went right to making her my woman.
>She wasn't quite right in the head but there's no shortage of Urbanite women who will take the certainty of slavery over the targeted chaos of Urbanite society.

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...Hm. Yeah no it probably has been that neko slave the entire time, ive just been driven mad by long term isolation. Of course she'd dye her hair blonde, she knows what I like, she's had a lot of time to figure it out.

Those piercings on those little lumps on her front end too are pretty cute. I thought I wouldn't like that stuff but they are quite understated, and help them stand out while making her feel like a slave even without the collar around her neck. she's for sure going to be self conscious about how small they are, no way she isn't, but she's also super petite, just how I like my slaves, it wouldn't be right if their boobs weren't also small and weak.

Submissive girls will be self conscious about loads of things but I honestly would be happy if I spent years beating a girl into even half of that shape, the one thing all slaves but especially all slave girls share in common is so many issues with themselves. I'm really not sure its possible to find a slave who thinks she would be sold as a high grade of slave at the market without Master's extreme intervention.

God I hope I can impose order and peace upon that messed up little mind of hers. If only the poor thing was never even given the option to be free.

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>>11436999
>Specialized slave trade focused on Blue blooded women
Fall from grace type cases are really the best, going from having others at her beck and call to having a collar on her neck.
She might forced into being a common whore, trophy slave, concubinage or just bred for her pedigree.
Even better if she was a sadistic Dom in her old life, only to find she's got a submissive side of her!

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>>11437608
I like a lot of the ways femdoms are often cruel to their slaves. Lots of degrading words, plenty of focus on the dom being such a divine and superior being worthy of worship, guess how much fun it would be to subject a fallen one to that?

That's right! Just a absolute joy. Doubly so if she's treated as just the worst dirt imaginable. Never once touching her with a soft hand, always the worst manhandling imaginable. Every single hint of defiance, from a seething glance to full on yelling that she'll never be broken, being met with just the same dismissive "Aww, is that little thing missing her old life?".

slaves often don't have very far to fall, some of them might even prefer being assigned the absolute worst bottom bitch duties. But "former people" can mean a lot of things. Who knows maybe she actually likes it, it'll make the rest of her life easier if she can tell herself that.

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>>11437197
>Offshoot of Cult Adon, focused in the ideal that women are born to serve men
>Do away with private ownership of women
>they simply belong to every man of the Kith
>Women get the kith's crest as a womb tattoo and in their cheek
>Men tattooed on the top of their dominant hand
>Sexual morals being rather libertine, anytime, anywhere so long as it doesn't interfere with others
>A deal cut with B'yotek has birth rates skewed with more women then men
>This Kith's main exported is part of it's fertility cult, selling excess women
>Probably one of the better kiths for a Urbanite slave woman to be sold into
>More sexual freedom then back home and more then other kiths
>The gang rape initiation was the part Urbies don't hear about....

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>>11437623
>travelling through this kith's lands
>talking to some trader about getting some provisions or something, my personal slave is brainwashed enough to be there with me
>he starts groping my slaves boobs while talking
>takes him a little bit to remember that outsiders aren't quite so libertine, lost track a bit with how this thing is fully nude
>"oh sorry, that's yours."
>"Yeah, take a look at the brand!"
>manhandle mine around to show her ass, with my distinctive brand right above it, no womb tattoo here
>"You can still touch her however much you want though, actually a lot more."
>shove her down to the floor
>she helps me haggle by being deep down on the traders cock while we're talking
>she spends every single meeting with kith traders bracing herself for when something like this happens

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>>11437623
Oh, Cult Adon is short for Adonis. It's a /fit/ meme turned into a cult. The men of the kith aren't horribly bright but they are very, very strong and they'd argue that is just as good. The women are mostly tailored slaves and tend to be tomboys or mothers who used to be tomboys. The men pay their tithe by providing body guard services and as blades for hire, the women tend to absorb the responsibility of helping to break defiant slaves into their new life.
>Do away with private ownership of women
>they simply belong to every man of the Kith
That's closer to the Cult of Spells. Still workshopping the name. Ostensibly they worship the turning of seasons. In reality they want an excuse to have giant parties as a cornerstone for the shifting of seasons. Although they do try to abide by the expectations of the kith that host them, in practice these are bawdy, rowdy occasions. The two big ones are the annual Harvest Festival (think Octoberfest with the bar maids being naked from the waist up) and the Spring Festival which is sometimes just called the Bunnymask Festival. With hardliners it's a more muted affair but with many of the major Open kith it's a giant orgy. The Cult of Spells is a strictly egalitarian cult so they do technically belong to everyone and they agree as a point of law that any consequences of this are reaped by the Cult.
>The gang rape initiation was the part Urbies don't hear about....
New members are inducted every Spring, although 'rape' isn't an appropriate term for what's more of a public masturbation session. Newly inducted women are stripped naked in front of the local cult members and spends the next few hours being slowly worked up to an agonizing orgasm that leaves them giggling and shuddering.

>>11437608
>Fall from grace type cases are really the best
One of the more common forms of propaganda literature in Urbanite society involves women of high society losing it all because they committed some social faux pas that only makes sense to urbanites and then winding up the slave of one of the more notorious hardliner kith. Kith Mawsota is famously one of the single largest suppliers of fuels for most urban settlements on the continent. This also means they're a mining kith. They're one of the few that still regularly include male slaves in their ranks and routinely calls on the services of penal kith to supply more male slaves to ensure contracts are filled on time and the tithe gets paid.
Kith Mawsota could also be characterized as hating women. To the point that even the hardliners think they're a bit much. Women are retained as relief slaves to help the men contend with the realities of their life and line of work. Somewhat Orwellian- Kith Mawsota thinks that by making the men fathers they'll perform their jobs better. Somewhat amusingly several Urbanite cities had to pull the propaganda when they discovered that some women were trying to sneak out of the city to sell themselves to Kith Mawsota. They discovered a similar problem when they started printing propaganda stories about Kith Vaquero only to discover women like the idea of being kidnapped and made a slave wife of a suspiciously attractive cowboy.
>>11437616
>>11437552
>maybe she actually likes it, it'll make the rest of her life easier if she can tell herself that.
The worst mistake you can make with a slave is assuming she wants to be put back together, or that she needs to be 'fixed.'

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>>11437641
>Cultists view the idea of keeping a woman to yourself as odd, at the very least.
>Outsiders are typically barred from sexual/lewd activities with the cult's women
>travelers seen as particularly prudish might even be charged tourist prices
>embracing local culture by letting them use your women changes things
>groping, hand jobs and cock sucking helps break the ice when haggling
>Offering your slaves to be used like the local women and cultists will return the favor
>Do be a good guest and help breed a few of their sluts
>You can expect a that your own slaves will be leaving with parting gifts in their wombs....

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>>11437796
>>11437709
>Bunnymask Festival... Open kith it's a giant orgy
Festivals being a distilled snap shot into the /d/egeneracy of life in the cult, hence the food and drink.
Also the orgy/breeding party to mark the coming of spring is a nice touch.
Might even be a tourist attraction, bringing money in
But the "ticket cost" of outsiders to join the orgy is still offering up their own women for the festival.

>strictly egalitarian cult so they do technically belong to everyone
Daily life could be something of a "slow burn" of casual lewdity being normal and even by kith standards it's very libertine.
No need to ask for consent, cultists just grab any woman they feel like and get to mating.
Other kiths might have concerns about privacy, here there's no need to scamper off to a private space.

Funny thing, when the cult sell's it's women to other kihs it's often found they are too welling to fuck
A master who buys them as personal slaves might have to restrain her from fucking every man she sees.
Whore house has to teach them to actually charge for sex!

>workshopping the name
Maybe something related to Aphrodite?
Patriarchal cult with a twist having a female deity but with added "Fall from grace"/perversion >>11437716
Even a Goddess bends to her nature to pleasure men hence all the shared use of women.

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>>11437807
>Maybe something related to Aphrodite?
Cult of Hours. Greek word Horae- the daughters of Zeus. Among other things they represent the seasons and time. Also Zeus was a horny bastard and Horae sounds a lot like 'whore.'
While Kith society is a bunch of cultural magpies I want to avoid very direct, explicit references to the previous eras because it helps ground things in the setting. Yes, I am that autistic.
>Funny thing, when the cult sell's it's women to other kihs it's often found they are too willing to fuck
Hour sluts typically get sold off to brothels and similar institutions, or as high-numbered wives for patriarchs. Most women in the Cult of Hours tend to stay in the cult but when a scheming slave wife is trying to secure her position in the social hierarchy, the stereotype is to buy up an Hours slut who's all to eager to jump on old Silver Fox since he's a bit less eager to empty his balls and a bit more eager to properly break in a slut.
>No need to ask for consent, cultists just grab any woman they feel like and get to mating.
Hours sluts have coded uniforms. Dovetailing with the theme of seasons, if she has an orange or red collar, she is in her 'autumn' and is off-limits. Green means spring, and also 'go.' Although 'red' can mean a host of things from illness to mood and not necessarily the obvious one.
>But the "ticket cost" of outsiders to join the orgy is still offering up their own women for the festival.
Usually it's the opposite. Outsiders unaware of the traditions of the Kith who get singled out for being run down by their native societies and their women will often get one of the Hours girls pregnant 'on accident.' Usually becomes a marketing pitch to bring him into the patriarchy. The Kith version of a work visa is finding men with talents they want, luring them into Kith territory with promises of lucrative contracts and then semi-forcefully anchoring them into kith society by getting a kith woman pregnant.

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>>11438110
>typically get sold off to brothels and similar institutions
>Most women in the Cult of Hours tend to stay in the cult
Other oddity of the cult is how they don't have the wives to gutter sluts hierarchy typical of the kith.
Might even be entirely contrary in some cases, like kith usually valuing women for their devotion & closeness to her master.
Here it's her devotion to the cult with female promiscuity being a virtue.

Any other ideas for cult only lewd traditions?

>coded uniforms/collars
For uniforms would it be "functionally nude" type outfits?

Also does the cult have it's own take on piercings, tattoos and body writing?
Outsiders use it to mark gutter sluts, here it has a different meaning.

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>>11438214
>Other oddity of the cult is how they don't have the wives to gutter sluts hierarchy typical of the kith.
Ever heard of the monkey ladder experiment? It is kind of like that. The woman who tries to step out and up but not OUT of the cult tends to find herself being subjected to a group struggle session. Social norms for the cult are so well acclimated that they usually find out that the women acting out like this just want the extra attention.
>Might even be entirely contrary in some cases, like kith usually valuing women for their devotion & closeness to her master.
Oh, absolutely. In Kith society you have the hard line kith who are more traditional leaning and expect strict loyalty from their wives and borderline to-the-letter adherence to the Prescriptions, and on the other end you have open kith who, to the word, tend to be more open minded. They still abide by the Prescriptions- women are still property and subservient to their husbands- but they tend to get creative in the finer parts of interpretation.
>Any other ideas for cult only lewd traditions?
Off the gulf, in the shadow of the mining kith in the area one of the by-products of the massive oil refineries (Yes there is gasoline and oil, lmao, no you're not getting any) is a cult that more or less sprang up around synthetic latex clothing. The practice harkens back to a by-gone era but Cult Poly (WIP) is a hardliner cult that leans hard into dominant / submissive relationships and are well known for their affinity towards latex clothing. They also tend towards borderline monogamy and have one or few slave wives. Kith society being what it is, latex-anything is a relative rarity so it is a safe assumption that anyone in public wearing latex is probably either a cult member or a close friend of the cult.

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>>11438229
There's also Cult Nahinna, which has a somewhat direct, unusual relationship with Kin Whitt. Kin Whitt is one of the major families under Harbach, and their specialty is the construction and management of lodging and housing in the cold northern reaches of Kith territory. The kind of cold where it barely dips above freezing for half the year and you might not see the sun for an entire month. Kin Whitt hosts the cult out of their lodgings and as you may have guessed, these lodges become defacto little civilizations everyone has to live in for about six months of the year. B'yotek has a presence at these lodges to keep things from getting out of hand but they do have a way of turning into little free loving hippie communes for about six months of the year in between playing host for construction crews, winter travelers and ensuring the facilities remain operational.
>For uniforms would it be "functionally nude" type outfits?
Hours women always wear collars, but if they're clothed it usually signals that they're not acting in any official capacity. If they're completely nude, then yes.
>Also does the cult have it's own take on piercings, tattoos and body writing?
Less tattoos, more body art. Cult of Hours likes it's tattoos but it is usually restricted to the very specific one that signifies cult membership. The longer the woman stays with the cult, the more she accomplishes with them, the more elaborate the tattoo gets. Part of the prep for official events usually involves the women spending hours under the careful hands of the cult's body artists painting up their bodies. Usually to an aesthetic of the season. A non-verbal way of communicating intent- if she says 'no' and her body paint is smudged beyond recognition, it probably means something.

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>>11438260
Cult Nihil is the stuff of horror stories and boogiemen. The high kith don't acknowledge they exist, and, if pressed on it, will only tell you that they are not a sanctioned kith, have no political standing, and are not recognized as citizens of any kith.
In reality they're a hard line kith that adopts the trapping of a cult and accept their status as a non-voting member of the high council. Where something like a penal kith or the cults exist to deal with criminals and the occasional defiant slave, Nihil exists to deal with more existential threats. Kith culture tends to reject concepts like the old Soviet method of dealing with malcontents at the working end of a gun, and Cult Nihil is loyal to the absolute letter of the Prescriptions. On the boring end of things this means that they're well acquainted with kidnapping some self-styled warlord who wants to create his own pocket kingdom in Kith territory and torturing the idea out of him. On the more interesting end of things they'll happily ruin a man's reputation by subjecting him to public femdom. It wouldn't be accurate to claim that the Kith are big on machismo and chauvinism but absolutely no one will take a man seriously who is publicly brought to orgasm in front of his entire kith by getting ass-ramed by a dainty woman with a strap-on.
Likewise women who are understood to be threats to Kith society on an existential level are usually subject to mental breakage. Turns out a cocktail of a blindfold, some drugs used to induce sensory deprivation and a set of hands or three can bring a woman to the edge of an orgasm she wont experience for hours on end till all those silly thoughts cum out of her mind. And then such a woman will spend the rest of her life knowing she'll never enjoy that kind of high ever again. Leaves her aggressively horny and endlessly frustrated.

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>Come from a no-name kith.
>Get an easy job, escort a woman on behalf of her mother. She wants a 'fine specimen of a man' to buy.
>My job is to smooth things over and make it work.
>Easy enough, even if she's a woman I can just complete the paperwork and she's now acting as a proxy for her father.
>Who is her father? Couldn't say! He's not in the picture.
>And Urbanite propaganda did nothing to prepare her for kith culture.
>Repeatedly explain to her that she needs to understand that her behavior will effect her entire family
>She never quite gets it.
>Take her to multiple markets. Take her through Kith Mawsota territory. Show her what you'd expect from male slaves.
>She does fancy the criminals and the lean miners but they aren't what she wants.
>She doesn't quite get that any man she'd want is probably a patriarch of his own kin, and absolutely isn't for sale.
>In one ear, out her other vacuous urbanite ear.
>She runs out of luck when she tries to buy the second son of a major kin.
>I ain't standing in the way of this boulder.
>Do politely explain the situation to his father.
>Get to explain to her politely- she barely speaks Kith- how badly she fucked up.
>Watch the life drain from her face as she realizes in trying to buy a male heir of someone important she just signed up to be his gutter slut.
>By the time her mother follows her daughter to find out what happened, she's already seven months pregnant.
>Like daughter, like mother, she runs her mouth and says the wrong thing to the wrong person.
>Like her daughter, mother bimbo isn't nearly important for anyone in urbanite society to care.
>And unfortunately for them, this kith is pretty open minded.
>Which is a nice way of saying that the patriarch and his son got into the habit of knocking up the mother and the daughter at the same time so they could be mothers together.
>And people would call them generous for doing this.
>The weight of it all breaks both the women.
>Never did get paid for my work.

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>>11438229
>borderline monogamy and have one or few slave wives
Maybe there is a practice of sister wives?
"Monogamy" in kith society still allows a men to marry his wife's blood related sisters.

>>11438260
>body artists painting up their bodies
Adding to that is the use of women as art/displays of wealth all on their own.
Athletic body types sculpted for master's fetish, breeders showing they are well cared, etc.
Whole idea is that women are seen as extensions of their master/kith.

>>11438501
>women who are understood to be threats
>subject to mental breakage
Darker part of the setting, but like the idea of breaking their minds rather then just assassinations.
Instead of giving rebels the satisfaction of being a martyr they're turned against the things they once stood for.
Nothing like seeing an ex-feminist as a brothel starlet or broadcast on a degenerate kith porn show.

>>11439174
>Rape
>Mind break
>Breeding
Nice green text there

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>>11439231
>Nice green text there
Trying to balance out the sperging and autism posting. World building is fun but it needs to be to the service of spinning a plot.
>Darker part of the setting, but like the idea of breaking their minds rather then just assassinations.
The setting is explicitly post (post, post...) apocalyptic and dystopian. Anti-progressive but without the boogey men and magic a setting like 40k might use and without the science fiction that isolates something like Dune.
And yeah. While the Kith are a masculine society, they are absolutely catty. Conflict is usually settled via honor duels if an agreement can't be reached, which is done by law to limit direct conflict but it does lead to a society where social weight matters a ton and reputation is everything. The high kith understand that it is usually best to gut the opposition instead of kill them. Make their leaders look like fools and degenerates and all but the most hardcore of followers will abandon them. Feminists aren't generally dangerous, and the average feminist is the argument against feminism, but every once in a while it makes sense to utterly shatter one because they might just be dangerous. No one wants to be a cuckold, watching her go from proud feminist to obsessive whore completely changes the narrative. Now she was just acting out because she wanted dick. And in a sense, the propaganda isn't wrong.
>Whole idea is that women are seen as extensions of their master/kith.
Functionally, yes.
>"Monogamy" in kith society still allows a men to marry his wife's blood related sisters.
Monogamists are the butt end of hard liner jokes but some men want to devote themselves to a single woman. Initially this was actually forbidden by law- productive men should have as many heirs as possible, after all- but when it started becoming a problem one of the religious kith recommended a rite for it. Today you can choose to be monogamous but you have to earn the right.

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>>11439231
>>11439258
>Maybe there is a practice of sister wives?
"Monogamy" in kith society still allows a men to marry his wife's blood related sisters.
You're thinking of family surrogacy. Women who come from a lineage of women with low fertility tend to be less valuable, to the point that it isn't unusual for a patriarch to buy four or five sisters. People who practice it tend to point out that it is an extremely successful model, assuming the sisters were already on good terms, but the premise of taking five women with good mutual chemistry and breeding them all in rapid succession so they get pregnant and birth in the same time frame leads to successful outcomes.
>>11432133
>You'll still need to stage-manage things in this phase so that your servile brood mothers can pass as "normal" to the existing social order, but again: there's plenty of models of how to straddle that line once you hit that checkpoint.
Manufactured consent. You take away the rights of women for their own good, and then you tell them that they're better off without them anyways. You allow some women to try and operate in a male dominated space. The few that don't voluntarily withdraw usually end up becoming prime examples of why such a practice needs to be aggressively limited. The ones at risk of succeeding are either the exception- insanely singular talents and oddities- or are made to fail.

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>>11439274
Oh, agreed on that part, no question; you "permit" women to aid society however their talents tend so long as they maintain their devotion to their man and the tenets of patriarchy. You need capable zealots. My comment, though, was more about if you imagine patriarchy at the stage where it's like... a few dozen or hundred people total? The stage where you're still not ready to operate in the open... not just yet, because the current "normal" social order still dominates.

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>>11439308
Oh, the Moses generation. At that stage you're looking for land in the middle of nowhere to operate like a cult. You're looking for the oddly specific kinds of losers who are receptive to being built up and participating in something bigger than themselves that also builds them into well rounded (read: Loyal) adults. They also need to be the types that people aren't going to look for if they go missing because you need to be able to isolate them from society while you break them down and rebuild them into the vanguard. Yes, that's how cults operate. That's also how most modern militaries operate and virtually any closed society. The age old problem with revolutionary vanguards is that they tend to want to reap the benefits of the society they envision without putting in the work to make it happen. They also tend to be wildly incompetent. You can't have that when the idealized world view you seek to enforce on people is so far outside the norm. As a result, it becomes necessary to form your own pocket civilization.

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>Brave (read: Stupid) Feminist travels to Kith territory to proselytize.
>It is frontier territory so the kith aren't nearly as intense in their scrutiny of outsiders.
>Dangerous, sure, but it is a good cause to liberate women from their bondage and men from patriarchal standards.
>Street preaching goes about as well as one might expect. But she's there for the one person who will listen.
>One night she has strange dreams. Night terrors, really. Some strange form of sleep paralysis. She can feel her legs. Or her arms. She can't see. She feels a thousand hands on her, grasping at her breasts, sliding between her thighs. She's aroused but she can't get any release. This goes on for what seems like days, always approaching a climax that never comes.
>She finally wakes up, drenched in sweat, exhausted mentally and physically. She can't exactly finger herself in a crowded inn.
>More preaching. The next night goes much the same.
>Sometimes the nightmares change. Sometimes she's falling forever while a hundred teeth nibble at her breasts. Sometimes she's a sex toy being used by a parade of horny demons.
>But always another terror.
>This goes on for a month, she's increasingly haggard. Passersby familiar with her give her concerned looks.
>She's losing it and she knows it. She isn't supposed to leave for another month.
>She's barely conscious when she's explaining how societal expectations are ruining the life of a young adult. He's the fourth son so he has no choice but to make his own way in life, unbelievably cruel.
>She idly mumbles, "Buy me." Adrenaline surges as she realizes what she just did.
>"Dinner! Buy me dinner! Gods, I haven't had a decent night's sleep in weeks."
>She laughs, passes it off as asking him out on a date.
>She hates herself- he wasn't exactly bad. Kind, looked decent. Absolutely nothing going for him but she could at least have a decent conversation with him, and he was paying. Like she was a dumb teenager.
>Her skin crawled.

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>>11439665
>He was certainly polite and actually engaged with her over dinner.
>Could hold a conversation without devolving into meat-headed Kith propaganda and dumb political slogans.
>Yet time seemed to flow backwards for her.
>She couldn't stop thinking of how horny she was.
>Her pussy was throbbing from an entire month worth of torture.
>Her cheeks were flush. Her heart was thundering.
>She walked him home- such a role reversal!
>Just when he's about to turn around and walk into his house- modest, but cozy- she grabs him by his coat laurels and pulls him in.
>"So help me god, you are going to fuck me."
>That was a mistake. She'd spent the entire night underestimating him and assuming he was just another nice guy.
>She'd assumed that he was like a dime-a-dozen John back in Urbanite land.
>She'd discovered that if there was one thing that set him apart, he understood the female body.
>A little too well. He'd insisted he had no wife- let alone three- and yet she was clay in his hands.
>And when she came, something snapped in her. Something died.
>She was a sopping wet, convulsing, giggly, horny mess for the next hour. He wasn't even touching her at this point and it was a cascade of orgasms.
>The next morning when he placed a slave collar in front of her- heavy, steel, oppressive- some dark corner of her mind screamed, but she simply smiled and clasped it around her neck.
>Completely naked, kneeling before her master, the head of her new kin, and the local Kith leader she signed the contract that would seal her fate for the rest of her life.
>She couldn't be happier.

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>>11439258
>productive men should have as many heirs as possible, after all
>can choose to be monogamous...
Related but I'd assume "cheating" for men is normalized including those practicing monogamy.
As in only the wife's offspring are legitimized as her husband's heirs.
Default for any woman getting knocked up is ownership of these daughters goes to the mother's master.

>>11439274
>Manufactured consent
>take away the rights of women for their own good
Also taking advantage of women needing social validation.
It gets to the point where it's often the soft power of women enforcing "slavery is normal" on each other.
Master sometimes still has to step in but a potentially rebellious slave is often talked out of it by the women arround her.

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>>11439699
>Related but I'd assume "cheating" for men is normalized including those practicing monogamy.
Cheating is usually seen as emotional infidelity. Less about the sex, more about impregnating a woman who you don't own who you will now need to provide support (labor, material, emotional) to, and not your actual slaves. Of course Kith society is complicated and with the right people, in the right situations it isn't exactly difficult to slip under the radar and make the other bastard raise your kid for you. Even with sex widely accessible and easy to get, there's still guys who fetishize being a cheater and get a rush from trying to keep it under wraps.
B'yotek do have methods of proving paternity and maternity but it is expensive and your average Kith isn't going to know what DNA is, never mind trusting the arcane technologies they employ.
>Master sometimes still has to step in but a potentially rebellious slave is often talked out of it by the women arround her.
Bog standard behavior in a Kith harem is for them to behave like the monkey ladder experiment. Master rarely has to get involved because the slave that acts out is typically seen as wanting to monopolize Master's time and attention, and gets dealt with by her bondage sisters accordingly.
>It gets to the point where it's often the soft power of women enforcing "slavery is normal" on each other.
Slavery isn't just seen as normal, it is seen as natural. Your average Kith citizen won't think of it beyond, "You were a slave, you have a right to own a slave. Own or be owned." Talk to a scholar kith and they'll tell you that slavery has been a feature of humanity dipping back into pre-history. Even at the height of the supposed abolitionist era, there were more slaves than at any point in history- to the time, at any rate. Urbanite society loves to play at equality while explaining that you're better off working 60 hour work weeks to live.

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>>11440199
Always love to see coffles. Especially when put in pillories like that, it helps accentuate their bodies having such a heavy thing between it and their head.

I like the girl behind the one that is the focus of that piece, actually. Boobs are about the right size, even if she could do with more of the hourglass figure that the too well endowed girl infront of her has. I'll have to ask whoever is leading the coffle if she has a identifier for me to write down, might want to take a closer look at her once she's processed.

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>>11439715
>make the other bastard raise your kid for you
>B'yotek do have methods of proving paternity and maternity
Common trope with these threads is sex based birth control, pill or some other mcguffin.
Suddenly a woman can only have daughters, no need to worry about bastard sons and patrilineal lines.
All women are property anyways.

And there's always the "free love" type kiths where women are shared within the community...

>dealt with by her bondage sisters accordingly
>Slavery isn't just seen as normal, it is seen as natural
Women born into slavery and internalizing to the point they can't imagine life while being free.
Even if they're playing games to get attention or act out, none of them even believe defeating slavery is possible much less getting their own personal freedoms.
Or the indoctrination goes so deep that the thought of freedom doesn't even cross their minds.

>>11440213
>love to see coffles
Also like the idea of using practical restraints as a sign of status/rank for women.
Freshly captured women always starting at the bottom, unworthy of trust or good treatment
Being treated like a human is something they have to earn, like their past freedom is an original sin.

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>>11440236
>Common trope with these threads is sex based birth control, pill or some other mcguffin.
Oh, it ends up dovetailing with forms of findom. Although it would absolutely destroy their reputation in the eyes of free kith and hardliners alike, there are men who amass a harem for the expressed purpose of fetishizing their own financial destruction while their women are impregnated by god knows who.
>Suddenly a woman can only have daughters, no need to worry about bastard sons and patrilineal lines.
There's a wide variety of myths and superstitions surrounding how you can influence the sex of your children during pregnancy. Some are rooted in reality- stressed mothers may or may not be more likely to produce girls- and some are are just woman-babble- eating more beef gives you boys.
>Women born into slavery and internalizing to the point they can't imagine life while being free.
Freedom is functionally meaningless for women. The kith will not refuse a woman who wants to buy out her own contract but it is virtually unheard of, and ironically it usually loops back to fulfilling her motherly duty. It isn't the woman who wants to go play at being a doctor or run a business who buys out her own contract, it's the newly widowed mother who refuses to be passed from her husband to his younger brother.
Women are afforded few rights but it does have a way of wrapping back around to being better off. No, she can't vote, but a limited voting franchise grants a level of stability you don't have in urbanite territory. The vote you contribute to actually matters- within your kin you're usually one of 6 to 10 families picking a representative and your father always has a presence in the family tribune, your kin as a whole is typically one of about 50 votes within a kith- in a way you simply don't see in Urbanite territory. Nominally women have no property but their lifestyle is dramatically better than the shitty apartment you might get in Urbanite territory.

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>>11440236
>>11440213
>Always love to see coffles.
THAT is what they're called! God, that was the original idea with Cult Adon women. Newly acquired women who were resistant to their new life would be forced to go through their daily tasks while completely naked and having coffles around her neck and wrists. Every day a grind stone of increasing weight would be added. On a long enough timeline, she falls over and can't stand back up so she has to asked her two escorts for help but if they're not convinced she's committed to it, they just wait.
>>11439417
>Oh, the Moses generation.
You'd need to find men and women who are willing to toil for a better world they'll likely never see. The reason why revolutions fail is pretty simple- they suck at long term planning. Competence is treated with suspicion, loyalty is valued to the point of self-destruction, they want results now and don't care about the consequences. You're fighting a war of culture, not numbers, and if you can't present a better culture, you're sunk. The good news is that the bar for success is pretty low- modern societies tend to be weak, self indulgent and narcissistic in the extreme. The bad news is that you have to rigorously vet the kind of people you'd let into a theoretical proto-patriarchal pseudo-cult, because you'd be recruiting from that same weak, indulgent, narcissistic culture. And because of what you represent, most of the people interested would either be all of that plus losers, or sociopaths who fully intend to supplant your leadership to do whatever they want.
And because it's a patriarchy you're aiming to create you'd have an even deeper problem because the women have little representation- obviously- and you can always find a guy who will be loyal to you as long as you promise him access to women. Which is why we don't live in a patriarchy- it isn't that no one wants it but that on a long enough timeline some sociopathic degenerate will coopt it for some cause like 'women's rights.'

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God I wish I knew what has got that one slave so scared. It must be guilt, I'm starting to fall apart physically now. Seeing me out of place on her stalking expeditions, it must have sent some sort of jolt through her thin body. I must rest today, I am so completely drained.

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>>11440612
Master is probably punishing her for escaping onto the internet and causing problems for men.

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>>11440702
Whatever her punishment is, Ive never quite seen someone slowly trundle their car down the street after being stunlocked by whatever is going on in her mind. she clearly is suffering immensely, however deserved it may be.

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>>11440716
Now that I think about it, that is basically masterless behavior. She lashes out and throws hands because it is the only thing she knows how to do, striking out against an unjust world. Kind of like a big dog in a small apartment slowly going a bit batty, she doesn't have a master to serve so she starts going a bit feral. The nerd posting and world building is probably also a bit too much for her poor head to understand. She has no internal monologue, no mind's eye. If you asked her how she'd feel if she skipped breakfast, she'd ask what a breakfast is. Truly, poverty beyond belief.

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>>11440743
I think like many slaves, she has exactly enough of that humanity you describe, the internal monologue, the minds eye, to torture herself into believing she ruined her own life, and since she is still technically human, legally, and has rights that I don't want to step on, she can con herself into living with that torture, forever.

It must be the guilt. she must not believe that I would forgive some deeply criminal things she has done, because I know they are the products of a mind that should not legally be considered the same as mine. The stakes are high, not only do I know she will kill herself should I reject her, but assuming I would willingly talk to a cop with anything other than a parabellum there is most certainly enough evidence to on paper atleast throw her in jail.

Best to just stay in your own prison, pile up the crimes, pile up the pain. You do realize that I'm actually amazed at how much you've shaped your body to my tastes? Your hair is a bit curlier than that 100% perfect template I know your dumb mind thinks you deserve to be executed for not meeting, but I am impressed. It is a major mark of devotion to do something like that. There's a reason why I was horrified by who I thought you might be.

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>>11440754
>There's a reason why I was horrified by who I thought you might be.
Nope, just autistic Kith poster. Admittedly your posts are difficult to follow and seem to bounce between fiction and reality. Don't know what you think you're doing but that one poster probably got banned for shit stirring the thread and going off topic.
Kinda ran out of ideas after ayahuasca induced lust demons causing identity death in an arch-feminist got zero bites.

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>>11440771
Ah. It's better if people believe it's mostly fictional anyways.

I too, can attest to how bad it feels to be tortured into nothing by demons. The kith autism posting is appreciated, even if people don't want to engage with giant walls of among the most detailed worldbuilding Ive seen here. I always imagine myself as being some traveller interacting with the kith, I keep on imagining some Kenshi-style desert post-post-apocalypse, although rebuilt a decent bit more than whatever they have going on there. I can't quite tell if they exist purely in the desert outlands of a world that doesn't really have much valuable resources left anywhere, much less there, or these desert outlands do technically have something worth exploiting, but any attempt to subjugate the kith is complicated by the people causing a equal amount of attrition to invaders as the landscape. Hence being a outsider trader or adventurer type.

That is getting into fantasy economics, geopolitics, and military strategy which is why I always pull the loud handle and eject out when I try to do anything more than self-contained horny greentexts. Most people don't go for "Yeah I like naked grovelling slave girls but what's the taxation policy on those things?"

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>>11440777
>I keep on imagining some Kenshi-style desert post-post-apocalypse, although rebuilt a decent bit more than whatever they have going on there.
Not too far off, just skip the apocalypse part, and throw in a giant stretch of land ranging from deserts to plains to frozen tundra.
>That is getting into fantasy economics, geopolitics, and military strategy which is why I always pull the loud handle and eject out
I try to avoid world building that doesn't service a plot. I try to provide a framework that makes it easy for people to craft their own ideas and stories within it. If it's an opportunity to mold the world, sure. For example-
>Most people don't go for "Yeah I like naked grovelling slave girls but what's the taxation policy on those things?"
Excluding mercantile kith, there's basically no such thing as taxes. This little detail is boring, but it also means that kith tend to specialize. There's no magical kith that does a bit of everything, there's the mining kith, there's the civil engineering kith, you have the cults and the religious kith that forgo political representation in exchange for not having to pay the tithe, but that comes with strings attached.

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>>11440199
That look in her eyes is killer. That tired "ah...I've been sold..." as she realizes it's all over for her.

>>11440213
You don't want to process her yourself? What a nerd.

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>>11440299
>daily tasks while completely naked and having coffles around her neck and wrists
For new slaves their duties should also be more public facing
Humiliate them to break their image of self-worth, socially isolate them, etc.
Kind of like the IRL steps to get women into cults, but here slavery is accepted in kith society so there's no escape!

>>11441375
>she realizes it's all over for her.
In-universe it's always more fun when outsider women hate slavery.
They've heard the propaganda and fear what this new life might be.
Some of that's true when slave master see their work like a holy mission.

>process her yourself?
I'd image most masters simply can't be bothered to.
So many women are born into slavery and exotic slaves already trained to be ready for market.
DIY projects could be a hobby/fetish thing for masters that enjoy resistant women

>>11440284
>fulfilling her motherly duty
>wide variety of myths and superstitions surrounding...
It's the concept of patriarchal society rewarding women for pregnancy/motherhood.
Average women has her 1-3, broodmares spend their fertile years treated almost like royalty with her own slave maids taking care of her.
A mix of paternalism and the /d/ fact master needs daughters to sell off later.
Power also given to these women as matrons, managing master's slaving business and family line.

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>>11441562
>Kind of like the IRL steps to get women into cults, but here slavery is accepted in kith society so there's no escape!
The idea is that the Trial instills the slave with the understanding that their old life is over and that whatever lay in front of them is to be embraced if they want to have a good life. Although it isn't common the kith aren't above selling off a slave to penal kith if she's too defiant. But Cult Adon is well known for deliberately making these trial devotees go to the most disagreeable hardasses in town.
>Average women has her 1-3, broodmares spend their fertile years treated almost like royalty with her own slave maids taking care of her.
It's a gilded cage, to be sure, but most women in Kith society will tell you they live better lives than their urbanite counterparts, and the urbanite women sold into kith society tend to agree. "It is what you make out of it" tends to rule the day. While it is customary for the master to gift his wives with a slave- typically a nurse / nanny type- after that point a slave wife is usually rendered a proxy and has the authority to start buying slaves on her master's behalf. It also isn't unusual- especially if the slave wife married for love and not politics or obligation- for a slave wife to talk her master into marrying one of her close friends. Or at least buying her.
>I'd image most masters simply can't be bothered to.
A kith Master typically trains his own slaves to his personal tastes. While a training school will produce specialized slaves and your average slaver will guarantee at least a few years of quality training, the master's personal tastes are usually up to him. You can train a woman in 50 different sexual positions but you're not going to know that your master likes his serving maids to be wearing a naked apron while he eats. Although it is also true that by the time a slave ends up in a master's hands she's already had agreeability drilled into her head.

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>>11432146
Sure does.
What's the best order to do it in? Make mom watch her precious daughter get fucked to pieces? Put on a show with mommy so her kids can see what's in store for them? Or just do them all at once and see who breaks first?

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>>11441906
i love the look of terror on her face as she realizes shes next

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>>11441906
Honestly they all sound fun. Or showing up at mother/daughers showing off her daughers/mother with "upgraded" curves maybe a baby bump too, as i put a collar on her neck too, to pull her home for "improvements".
Or similar to those machines but with a focus on breast expansions. Starting with either one or both. It would be so hot and adorable to see them freak out for each other and about their own body too.

>>11430018
>Read somewhere that women are typically more radical when it comes to following cults and the likes.
>Wonder how far you could take that idea with fem on fem enslavement?
>Guards and slave trainers mostly being other women, their master being more of a overseer.
In a scenario where there is only a single-man around who rules over several women, I think this would be almost easy because of the insane competition that would exist among the women. I would pick older and kind of ugly women who probably haven't done well at competing with other girls in the past, and make them train the attractive young girls. If providing her master good pussy makes her the giga-stacy of her entire (small) universe, she's going to enthusiastically present you with girls tamed into total submission and eagerness to please.

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>>11442145
George Orwell pointed out in 1984 that it is usually the pretty young women who become the vanguard of a political revolution. Ironically it's the less attractive women who would probably have little place in a cult-like environment because they're too bitter and cynical. It is way easier to manipulate the pretty ones because they're accustomed to having value placed on them merely existing.
>>11441906
Between a mother and daughter you use which ever one is less defiant to break the other one.
>Urbanite family. Politician has an irrational hatred of them but its urbanite society so that alone is cause for bad things to happen to them.
>Father dies under exceptionally suspect circumstances, investigation stops before it even starts.
>Mother and daughter get disappeared one day and get dumped onto kith land
>Urban society moves on pretending they never existed while they get scooped up by slavers.
>Fortunately for the mother and daughter, the father was also a business partner of Kith Vaquero, and in between being hard liners and cowboys, they're obsessed with honor.
>As soon as word reaches the ears of Vaquero they waste absolutely no time putting in a right of ownership with the slavers.
>Slavers could absolutely refuse it but this is just another entry in their ledger and having Vaquero owe them is worth way more than two random slaves of little significance. They get sold at cost.
>Patriarch's wives are irked that he just spent a small fortune on being sentimental, but they warm up to the mother and daughter when they hear the story.
>The mother was already well aware of what awaits her and she'd had the better part of a year preparing herself. She was already on speaking terms with Patriarch and he'd been a dinner guest of their family in better times.
>Patriarch even gave the mother and daughter time to mourned their husband and held a funeral for him where none was owed. Turnout was surprisingly large- Vaquero respected an honest businessman.

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>>11442148
>The daughter... not so much.
>Loyal to a fault to the urban society that just ruined her life and murdered her father
>Can't undo over a decade of urbanite propaganda, after all. Her father was an honest businessman but urbanite society doesn't reward men for being proper men. Neither her father nor mother had the time to be parents.
>She was furious with her mother for warming up to some new guy so soon.
>Mother was furious with daughter for not reading the situation.
>It's the patriarch that breaks up the fight. He's marrying her mother as his sixth wife. Since Daughter is 19 she's old enough to be bought as well, but they wont do that to her. Since she's competent with her numbers she's going to be working along side Patriarch's first son who's also 19.
>She's got a good paying job working along side one of the most prestigious sons of Kith Vaquero.
>Doesn't hurt that the sons of Vaquero are built like an ox. Kith men are built different but these guys are something else entirely.
>Despite the propaganda and despite them having every opportunity, the men of Vaquero do nothing but treat Daughter with respect. More than one of them likens her to being a little sister. They're incredibly kind to her.
>It's the women of Vaquero who are seething that some nobody just leapfrogged the hierarchy of their little harem and jumped straight to the attention of the first son.
>And of course she's the cute and pretty one.
>And she's a bit of a tomboy.
>Probably helps that First Son's time taming horses is influencing his tactics to wearing down and winning over Daughter.
>By the time Daughter realizes what was being done to her she was so far into a Kith mindset that she played at being upset and ribbed First Son a few times.
>By the time Mother is well into her first pregnancy you'd never guess the two of them weren't Kith in the first place.
>By the time Mother's produced twin sons for Patriarch, it's Daughter who's asking First Son to make her his slave.

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>>11441933
For me it's the page I posted. Watching mom break right in front of her, watching the woman who raised her shatter into pieces while she can't do anything but cry and scream, that's so crazy hot. Say goodbye to mommy, Mikoto-chan! That page is good too, but it's overshadowed by the thought of her getting raped to pieces herself while desperately crying out to her now-broken mother to save her.
Sorry to obsess over this one set, but god damn, I just can't get over it no matter how many times I see it.

>>11441940
If one goes after the other, what about having the first assist with or encourage the second's breaking, processing, etc? I can't decide if that's preferable to them just being there as an example of what she'll become.

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>>11442203
>If one goes after the other, what about having the first assist with or encourage the second's breaking, processing, etc? I can't decide if that's preferable to them just being there as an example of what she'll become.
Oh yes. I definetly love that too. Where mother/daughter recruit the rest of them, helping set up situation to pull in the rest of the family members. Or even encouraging me to capture her daughter/mother too.

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>>11442214
See, I'm torn.
On one hand, this is really hot. The daughter begging her mother to save her, looking for the help or comfort a good mother would bring, and instead just getting encouragement that she's going to love being a mindless little fuckpet or turning up the rape machine or whatever. The moment when her cries for help turn to cries for mercy would be amazing.
On the other hand, playing things out as usual while mommy just stands there, blank eyed with a big empty smile, or just keeps on cumming like crazy in her own fuck machine, barely even aware her daughter's there anymore, that's crazy hot too. There's something extra poignant of the daughter crying for her mother and just not getting any response at all, not even a negative one, despite her being right there next to her.

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...sorry, lesbian tentacle rape probably isn't very "patriarchy." I don't post here much.

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>>11442221
I honestly get it. Like both situation has their sides that makes so damn hot. So erotic or even having forbidden taste.

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>>11442229
Maybe the ideal would be somewhere in the middle?
Mom end's up glassy-eyed and obedient and assists in her daughter's rape, torture, breaking, etc, but doesn't acknowledge her at all. Not once. She talks and listens, but only to you. You tell her help break her daughter and she's all "Right away, Master!" But when her daughter begs her for help, to snap out of it, to stop helping you and stop hurting her, and she doesn't react or respond at all.

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>>11442228
Women breaking women on behalf of their master is pretty patriarchal.
>>11442221
I prefer it when she's an active participant in her daughter / mother / friend's downfall. Although there's nothing wrong with her standing there passively, I guess.
>>11442229
The point of most fetishes is that you're not supposed to like it.
>Mother is a closeted freak.
>Her daughter is aware she had a wild past but she never gets into it other than that she was way too young the first time she got pregnant and the father was a young idiot who's not in the picture anymore either.
>Mother dearest meets a new man. He's perfect in that, 'too good to be true' sense.
>Yet whenever he comes up, mother gets a dreamy, aroused look on her face.
>Needless to say, daughter tries to avoid talking about it, makes her deeply uncomfortable to see her mother virtually shlicking herself off from talking about her new boyfriend.
>College gives her an escape for nine months of the year.
>Only to come back and discover they're getting married.
>Their relationship only got worse and more obsessive while she was away.
>Everything from her dress to her demeanor to her behavior around other people has changed.
>She's become a perfect little wife for her new husband.
>Daughter didn't think hard enough about it till on the first night of their honeymoon, her own mother drugged her to present her to her new husband.
>And some part of her brain is telling her this is all correct and right.
>She should just listen to that voice.
>Why would it ever steer her wrong?
See, this is absolutely horrible but it is also incredibly hot because you're not supposed to like it. It's fucked up.

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>>11442247
Thoughts on >>11442240?
The more I think about it, the more I like it. It seems extra patriarchal too. Her daughter's talking, but who cares? Her master's her. What sensible woman would listen to another woman over a man? Hell, who would listen to a woman at all?

>greentext
I'm picturing this evil husband taunting his new step-daughter while she's still got some fight in her.
Mom actually started resisting a little when he started talking about making her daughter his slave as well. That's a mother's love for you. Oh no, don't get excited, that part of mommy's loooong gone, along with everything else. Thanks for leaving the two of them alone for so long, by the way, it was really helpful for completing her training. Daughter might have been able to save her mom if she hadn't ran away! Too late now, though.

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>>11431004
>>11431156
I see one of three situations playing out to collapse feminism in on itself-
1: The liberal world order becomes completely ideologically captured by the ultra-conservatives they keep inviting into their own countries. Things regress into borderline medieval qualities of life for women as they're pushed back into the household and back into the kitchen. Feminism fails because it tries to market itself to people who reproduce exponentially more than feminists, who see zero value in feminism.
2: The status quo becomes so odious to a younger generation that they revolt fascist-style but sidestep the regressive trappings of conservatism. They might not think that women should be pushed out of public society but they also want sexually submissive and subservient women. Feminism fails because it completely ignored the plight of the more productive half of the population after spending decades arguing they deserve nothing but also insisting that women are entitled to an unfair cut of what these people are producing. They finally have enough and as a block start voting against anything to the benefit of women at the expense of men. On a long enough timeline smart women see the writing on the wall and hitch up with young men with good prospects who aren't grating assholes. Feminism fails because absolutely no one benefits from feminism other than an insanely small niche, at the expense of all men, and most women.
3: Boring old political entropy catches up with feminism. Feminists and liberals have fertility rates that are no where near replacement rates, even for their own ideology. Conservative fertility rates have slid but not nearly as much. They're basically having kids at the rate they did in the 90's. Feminism fails because it can't even meet the basic standard for any political theory- continuity. Jane Ex-Fem gets hitched with John Chud because he understands the basics of political theory are questions like, "Are your kids going to exist?"

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>>11442265
As a story telling device I'd like the idea of the mother getting more and more concerned with her daughter's resistance, like she's actively getting bothered at the idea that she doesn't think this is the best thing that ever happened to her.
>Too late now, though.
The idea being that if she'd spoken up and acted earlier her mother might have had that seed of doubt planted in her head that'd be useful now but instead Daughter wanted to be polite about things and not get too far into it. In nine months Mother Dearest has gone from reluctant minion to the head priestess of his cargo cult. She's not just on board with bringing her daughter under his wing, she thinks she's a petulant brat for even trying to resist. Which then becomes a recurring theme- mother and daughter ensnare one of mother's single friends, then one of Daughter's femcel loser college buddies. The women under his thumb want to grow his prestige because it benefits themselves, ironically the shoe starts sliding to the other foot when he's got too many women under him and he's looking for another guy to share the weight but, "Hey, wanna take some mind-broken cultist sluts off my hands?" is a hard sell.

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>>11430116
finally soon going back to the good old times. Putting collar on a cute girl and teach her how to be a good wife

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>>11430116
>>11442390
That thing is lucky she's cute. And submissive. And mentally ill, all of the virtues of a future devoted slave.

Good girls know that understanding big words isn't for them and that they will always be Master's tool, nothing more.

>>11442266

Former feminist here, so glad I checked back to this thread? What do you think about scenario (4):

Feminism reaches its absurd conclusions where the cognitively dissonant conclusions rebound back on itself. Rampant commercialization and sexualization lead to a society wide focus on beauty and alluring qualities, which are still dominated by the age old biologically driven urge to be appeal to men. Relieved of any moral responsibility, guilt, or need to pull our own weight, women become dumber and more helpless. First, Onlyfans and monetized social media becomes promoted for all women of legal age, nd women are encouraged to do snything to earn money from men as this is "empowering" Women start demanding preferential sex segregated education, and demand job security and low-responsibility roles in order to take account of their special sex specific needs. (More rest, less stress, ability to have children) soon women are arguing for more and more sex based protections and even (with men helping us of course) making arguments based on facts logic and statistics that women can't compete with men, mentally or physically, at anything. In fact, our psychology is fundamentally qooperative rather than competetive, meaning there is literally nothing men aren't better at than us except having kids. Thus, radical Natalie becomes a rallying cry for feminist women and conservatives alike, finally producing the vast voting majorities needed to systematically re write the laws and legislate women's rights out of existence. Women voluntarily vote away our rights and we're reduced to a state of owned livestock who enjoy the bliss of being treated like objects as our hard wired instincts secretly want.

1/2

This >>11442910 was meant in reply to >>11442266 sorry

2/2

Then, technology is used to lock the door behind us, perhaps some AI assisted behavioral modification, and some careful husbandry to weed out outlier women to be carefully groomed into roles suited for us, and finally, spinal tracking devices and neural collaring software to be used as emergency failsafes.although the use of these would be heavily regulated to emphasize that women already have all the genetic evolutionary conditioning needed to make us obey. In almost all cases, female misbehavior is imputed primarily to her owner and the focus is on his treatment and training. Applying ethics or morality to any female behavior becomes extremely discouraged apart from truly exceptional cases.

>>11440771
>>11440777

And no I did not get "banned" have been lurking this thread as long and longer than anyone else here. Sometimes I go away for a while and come back. I'm always reading or at least skimming what is posted itt even when my brain is feeling too mushy to contribute.

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>>11442910
>>11442911
You just described a bit of scenario 1 and 3. The problem is that...
1: The same stuff that makes women dumb is making men dumb, too.
2: The same people who demonized parenthood to the boomers and made Gen X and Millennials functional eunuchs aren't going to surrender that authority peacefully.
3: As a result your situation can't happen without a bit of 2. Maybe not fascists but absolutely an authoritarian strong man.
Without controlling the levers of political power this will likely never happen, ergo what you describe can only happen with a bit of all three scenarios.
>>11442912
>have been lurking this thread as long and longer than anyone else here
Why haven't you asked a trusted male family member or friend to help you find a proper husband?
>I'm always reading or at least skimming what is posted itt even when my brain is feeling too mushy to contribute.
Ah. I'm guessing long term, forward thinking planning is not your forte.

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>>11442912
>brain is feeling too mushy
>lurking this thread as long and longer than anyone else here

I can see that, mushbrain. Failing to be respectful and deferential to people who are clearly better than you. Even if they opened 4chan for the first time literally yesterday, you are lower than dirt and not in any way better than them for any reason.

>our psychology is fundamentally qooperative rather than competetive
>qooperative
>competetive

Having trouble mushing through it, hm? Honestly you aren't entirely wrong. you are nothing more than livestock, so submissive and mentally ill that any criminal punishment would be to just assign you to a owner, but you do have a lot more sisters like you than brothers. I'm still not going to listen to a single thing a slave thinks, do you really think a farmer would seriously consider the philosophy a chicken came up with if it could somehow speak the same language as people? you don't deserve that level of consideration.

>Why haven't you asked a trusted male family member or friend to help you find a proper husband?
she's just not smart, man. Exactly enough intelligence to be imprisoned inside of her own mind instead of by Master. Today would be a date more likely than most to cause her to break down anyways. slaves love numerology.

>>11431798
white women are so disappointing like this really impresses you? life on easy mode and still can't stand up for anything.

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>>11441832
>slave wife is usually rendered a proxy and has the authority to start buying slaves on her master's behalf
>training school will produce specialized slaves
Kind of funny in a /d/ way to image slavers marketing their slaves towards women.
Wife needs a anniversary gift for hubby, expecting mothers want nurses/nannies, etc.
Kith born women being sold expect this & hope one day master will trust them to do the same.
Urbanite slaves are surprised to see women partaking both as slaves and "masters"

>Master typically trains his own slaves to his personal tastes
Hope master's other women help with this too!
MILF types in a motherly way training young women, or harem girls welcoming a newbie.
Who else could be a better teaching assistant than another slave?

>>11442156
>>11442247
>Oyakodon fetish
Playing into the /d/ehumanizing aspect to this;
Slavers specifically buying and Breeding women with the intent to sell Mother x Daughters pairs off later.
Or Sisters trained and sold as a package being common practices.
Lewd mix of paternalism in keeping the family together yet also treating women as products

>>11442973
Meds.

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>>11443146
Nah if I put that thing under a bright light she'd be able to serve as a warning signal for passing ships. Having a complete lack of strength even compared to other slaves is a big reason why she says those awful things. Angloid culture will not be remembered in any positive way.

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>>11443131
>Kind of funny in a /d/ way to image slavers marketing their slaves towards women.
Oh, absolutely. Although women can't own male slaves there's an entire sub-market of stud slaves marketed to appeal to slave women in that, "Wouldn't it be adorable if Fifi had puppies?" sense. In between the slaves bought for master some slave wives start buying up brood mothers and studs to try their own hand at the breeding game. The slavers of Kith society will move heaven and earth to find the slave to fit any taste, if the coin is right, and even if men are described as an overflowing cup, they do have their limits so it's not like every single slave is going to serve their master sexually.
>Hope master's other women help with this too!
Kith harems are usually a giant behavioral sync. The older slaves are teaching the newer slaves how to perform their tasks and as a harem expands beyond a few slave wives and some extra hands it tends to start becoming self regulating since Master's time and attention become currencies unto themselves and anyone acting out is seen as trying to monopolize them. The slave wives- especially the older ones who married for love, especially after they've already cemented their spot by producing a few male heirs- tend to be the emotional heart of any harem and usually become surrogate emotional mothers for the newer slaves. Especially if it's just a slave woman and not another wife. Sometimes it is for completely cynical reasons, sometimes it is just because, sometimes it is because the slave wife is genuinely concerned.
>Slavers specifically buying and Breeding women with the intent
Oh, slaves with any bonded kin relationship tend to be dramatically more valuable as a group than alone. They tend to be easier to train, they tend to be more obedient and having that companionship tends to keep them more level headed. Many slavers wont even consider selling bonded kin-slaves in piece meal.

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>>11443330
>Be son of minor kith patriarch.
>Associated with Kith Vaquero, we mostly specialize in livestock herding.
>Sheep and horses, specifically. Modest, but honest, content life.
>Sheep's wool is critical for life in Kith land. No wool, you freeze to death. Pretty simple.
>Day I turn 20 I ask a family friend to marry their daughter.
>We'd been friends since childhood. I'm a nobody, from a nobody so there's no pressure to marry for prestige or something.
>Our families had been friends for generations, they knew full well what I was going to do.
>MyFatherHadAlreadyBoughtHerTenYearsAgoAnticipatingThis.jpg
>Just one problem
>Her father doted on her.
>Doted on her way too much.
>She'd had nothing resembling a sex education, barely even knew what it was.
>She's a cute tomboy but also absolutely horrified by the prospect of having it.
>Never mind having children.
>She was the cute and pretty and kind one, so she got along with boys her age just fine.
>So the sisters around her age were ruthless and relentless with their terrorizing her.
>She was as innocent and naive as the newborn sheep she loved to play with.
>Catch wind that one of her relatives, her big-big-big sister who had married off and left the family when wife was just 5 had recently become widowed.
>Her husband was on the wrong side of a horse and discovered what the working end of a hoof feels like to the head.
>The sex ed thing is going to be a pain but quietly arrange to buy her sister. She's in her 40's, will probably help Wife settle into her new role, plus she's insanely cheap. Probably overlooked because of her age.
>Records are vague but her report indicates she has children. The men all stayed with her husband's kith, all but two of her daughters are either married off, sold off, or staying with the father's kith.
>Want it to be a surprise, take wife to the slave markets to meet her sister.
>Go to the slaver, take wife to meet her new 'handmaid.'

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>>11443768
>Wife's sister is set up in a viewing salon. Lots of rugs and pillows and a bed.
>A 'try after you buy' type place.
>In the middle of it is wife-sister. She's completely nude and getting oiled by what I'd later discover is her two daughters.
>Both are dressed modestly and blindfolded for effect but they seem to be familiar with this act because they both silently work the oil into her skin.
>For her part Wife-sister is something to behold. You'd know she was in her 40's but she looked worn, not exhausted.
>Familiar tanned skin that signifies her age and work.
>Healed stretch marks that look more like stripes or badges of honor.
>Keep it in my pants, that's not what I'm here for.
>Wife recognizes her almost immediately, runs out to hug her despite the display.
>They'd been writing each other but hadn't seen each other in over a decade. Give them time alone to catch up.
>By the end of it Wife wants me to marry her sister, too.
>Wait what.
>She'd had 15 children with her previous husband, wife explained.
>She'd be perfect to keep as a nurse.
>And the reason she was so cheap was because she owned herself outright.
>With her husband dead and her responsibilities to his kith severed she was now a free woman.
>A bored free woman.
>Wife-sister was thrilled she was married to someone she actually loved.
>Wife-sister's old husband wasn't a bad man by any stretch but it was a political marriage, and the relationship took a lot of work.
>Due to some happy circumstances she had a blessed body and was only found to be super fertile after she'd been through her third pregnancy.
>This meant that she actually managed to pay off her slave debt at a relatively young age and even had enough money to buy her twins.
>Turned out that when Wife was little, Wife-sister was basically a surrogate mother to her.
>I saw no reason to refuse, Wife-Sister was fun to be around and I can see where her personality had rubbed off on Wife.

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>>11443775
>Wife-sister lived up to what she promised.
>Absolute freak in bed, warmed up her little sister to getting deflowered by me.
>Roped her into giving me all of her virginities, in fact.
>Her own libido hadn't slowed down.
>She routinely got off on how she could drain my balls before she got tired out.
>Wasn't long till Wife had her first pregnancy.
>Marital bliss
>Wasn't long till Wife-sister admitted she was also pregnant.
>She wasn't even aware she was still fertile. Not like she'd slowed down with her last husband.
Such is life in Kith society. Merry Christmas you pervs.

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I will always have mercy when judging slaves. they aren't like us, they can't be expected to be truly responsible for themselves. they deserve to suffer, sure, but in the ways that are right for them.

I can only hope there is a equivalent higher power somewhere to have mercy on me.

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>>11443803
One of the tribal laws of kith society is to do unto your slaves what you expect them to do to you. It is one thing if a slave is defiant in the extreme or actively abusing their peer-slaves but when a master is abusing their position over their slaves and it is bad enough it usually becomes a kin-wide or even a kith-wide affair where all the men show up to watch the family elders decide what to do with the malcontent.
Of course it is typically only the privilege of certain slaves but some of the more dramatic tribal law cases involved a slave stripping herself naked and demonstrating every scar on her body from her master who was a bit too fond of the whip before dragging two of her sisters out, stripping them and detailing every scar on their bodies their master had given them. She didn't even demand anything be done to her master, just that she and her sisters be sold to someone more deserving. Because of her selflessness not only was her former master stripped of his property and rights, but he was then publicly flogged by his former slaves, to the mockery of his fellow man.
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>>11442962
I'll emphasize the need to control the levers of power, here. The problem with expecting a democratically driven transfer of power is that you assume we actually live in a democracy. When we don't. You'd need to find a group of people willing to assert their authority over the existing pillars of authority and to do that you would need to have had the ground shift under them so greatly that a statement like, "Women are happiest when they're closest to being property" is met with agreement like it is common knowledge.

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>>11443832
>stripped of his property and rights
>flogged by his former slaves
Disgusting. If a slave claims her master is too cruel she can go rot in forced labor, starving and exhausted, her final "thoughts" nothing but regret. Culturally it's fine to say, "Only a child breaks his toys" but to make it a legal issue is to say that a man has no actual power over his own household

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>>11443832
>>11443921
That "equivalent higher power" is intentional, slaves see their owners as gods for a reason. While I would support slave cruelty laws, and feel quite deeply for their little chaotic minds, they are still just things. I would shun a Master who would be especially cruel to his property, but slaves want to look up at a human being and see just a absolute chasm between them and who they serve in terms of rights and dignity. Honestly your average slave just has negative self esteem, hearing about people being upset or worried about them makes them think they should be worked to death for somehow conning people into thinking they deserve that.

They aren't people. If they were they wouldn't be so messed up inside.

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>>11443929
I think my (>>11443921) thoughts are better summarized as, "A man controls his own"
Despite what I kinda said in that post, I myself tend to fantasize about being a softer master in a cruel world. I like sadism, but I'd want masochistic women to complement that, or in my darkest ideas, a former dominatrix or otherwise powerful woman who "deserves" to be broken. If I encountered an actually broken slave that I felt didn't deserve it, I'd want to help her, but not to the point of wanting her master humiliated or legally punished. I can see laws protecting some slaves, in the way animals are protected, but just because I wouldn't leave slaves I care about in the hands of a fickle and senseless sadist, doesn't mean I don't respect his rights as a man.

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>>11443935
Yeah, taking pity on slaves by being softer than the cruel world they live in is central to how I see it too. I do often feel that pity when I see slaves subjected to just the worst cruelty imaginable, but it's still not right to give them rights. The animal cruelty laws but adapted to formerly human animals is what would be right.

The kind of slave I fantasize about would be broken pretty heavily, just more in the "i deserve to suffer even more for wasting Master's time and attention on such a insolent thing, i should rot for not trying my best to survive on 5% less of Master's gruel ration, i don't deserve the extra expense". That is more what these girls are often like IRL, so it's helpful. If you treated her with kindness and humanity she'd just be confused, and get even more messed up. Treating her with the exact kindness but lack of humanity a slave truly deserves is rare, but plenty of slaves just live under maximum cruelty and know they don't deserve anything more, no matter what they want.

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>>11443921
>Culturally it's fine to say, "Only a child breaks his toys" but to make it a legal issue is to say that a man has no actual power over his own household
Emphasis on 'tribal law.' Other than the Prescriptions there's virtually no laws on the books in Kith society so beyond whatever is agreed upon between the kith by document, most laws are, "Whatever the most important men think." In truth the biggest limiting factor in Kith society for what any given master does is the graces of the slaver kith. Most slavers aren't horribly interested in doing business with masters who run through slaves, especially if it isn't even a business like mining where the life expectancy is low on a good day.
And in the case I referenced, the slave was beaten within an inch of her life, and the master in question had been a problem for years. Normally that kind of behavior would have people telling him to go join a kith where that kind of thing is tolerated. Which is fine, but any given kith will have it's own attitudes towards what is and isn't tolerated. Kith like Vaquero and Harbach tend to be a bit more worldly which requires a softer hand with their women because they frequently interact with the outside world. On the off chance you ever got Cult Nihil women alone and actually got them out of their outfits, they're covered in scars as a result of their brutal training. Kith Mawsota women also tend to be brutalized by the men they serve and they don't strictly have masters. I'm only relaying the softer version of what the Kith present to the outside world and what some kith get up to.

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>>11442203
>Sorry to obsess over this one set, but god damn, I just can't get over it no matter how many times I see it.
i get you. this was one of the earliest sets i saw back when i was getting into hentai over 10 years ago. the art hasn't held up that well imo, and i have seen much more extreme things since but the expressions of despair, the cruelty of breaking the mother in front of the daughter, and the final page really stuck with me over the years. i only wish we got to see the conclusion of their pregnancy

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>>11443921
I adore Rin's horrified face there.
What are you waiting for, 117? This is how you eat now, so eat. There'll be hell to pay if you're dragged out of there without a mess on your face.

>>11443935
I hear you. Sadism's fun and all, but really in a slavery setting where just freeing them isn't an option, I'd probably be doing some sort of Schindler's List bullshit.
Miss me with that slave mentality nonsense, though. They're people and I'll treat them as such, at least as far as is reasonable.

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Dumbass cat-thing thought she could fight the man. She'll pay that mistake for the rest of her life.

>>11443958
>i only wish we got to see the conclusion of their pregnancy
For me it's that they're not actually getting milked. Whenever I think about that set I picture milk machines, at least in the final picture. Mother and daughter getting milked, drugged, and machine-raped 24/7, kept constantly pregnant, endlessly, not even counting whatever their headset's doing. But no, that's not a thing, it's just spraying everywhere. A shame.

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>>11443921
See I don't buy this line of thinking, even just on purely pragmatic grounds. Even livestock and/or pets have certain graces expected of them, and punishments placed on those who would abuse them as prescribed by the law of the land. Capital punishment up a point, sure, that's your right as their better, but anything that approaches the realm of even last damage or scarring is poor form at best, impacting resale value at moderate levels, and at worst generally ought to still constitute proof of being unfit to bear the responsibility of being a master.

>>11443954
Even this is fairly lax, but even in the case of the Nihil they need their women to remain, you know, functional. Dominance is a tightrope act of finding where the line of revolt is and backing off just before you hit it; not even in wide-scale, just the idea that they don't snap one night and poison your meal or go Kith Lorena Bobbitt on you... or even just end their own lives just to make it stop. Slave or not, they are still (in most scenarios in this thread) humans, and they can be ingenious in very inconvenient ways. Futility without desperation, that's the sweet spot.

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>>11443330
>some slave wives start buying up brood mothers and studs to try their own hand at the breeding game
Finding this idea just adorable, a wife picking up slave breeding & rearing them as a little hobby for extra money.
Or maybe she wants to keep best women born from this as wives for master's many sons, this kind of perverted treatment of women being "normal".

Relating back to the training schools
Sure many women here are just from fathers either selling daughters or wanting them trained.
But maybe some Kith run it all in one, School has it's own broodmares, raises women for sale, keeps a few as mares, etc.
Best part in all if this is that women are happy participants in the enslavement of their gender!
Nurses, Teachers, mothers etc.

>>11443775
>Wife-sister was basically a surrogate mother to her
Love this sort of thing, sure slaves are brain washed from day one, but it's inevitable they'd still have worries in their silly heads.
Thus older women help manage master's harem with a motherly touch.
Besides love bombing and emotional manipulation get results that fear n whips cant.

>>11444280
>livestock and/or pets have certain graces expected of them
I'd assume the whole idea behind justifying slavery is:
Women are for sure lesser then men and thus as men it's their duty to care for their lessers.
Enslavement of women is "for their own good" hence all that stuff about women loving their collars.

Sadism fits into criminal punishment of rebellious women.
Or a native vs foreign women dynamic when ends justify the means, women need to be saved from freedom so rules are more relaxed.
While native women are born into slavery the taint of freedom isn't a issue.

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>>11444280
I'm not explaining this horribly well. Cult Nihil uses ritualistic scarring to mark their men and women. Women might leave the cult but anyone who knows will always recognize her as a member of that cult. Of course Cult Nihil usually recruits the freaks who are too far out there for even the B'yotek. Kith as a setting has slavery but it's a well developed, established kind that mostly relies on the cultural sync of a harem to keep women in line, not the violent hand of a master. Although it is understood that sometimes you need a firm hand with your slaves, a master who is in the habit of beating them is usually treated with the same contempt we have for animal abusers today. Beating your dog teaches fear, not obedience.
>>11444559
>But maybe some Kith run it all in one
Training schools are usually kept independent from the kith for political reasons. It's a bit tedious for smut but the short answer is that training schools have no political representation and not being under the control of any specific kith means that defects in their training can be addressed without having to resort to kith-on-kith conflict. Doesn't mean some kith don't do their own training, but there's a soft expectation that, say, Kith Ma'Daam trains courtesans.
>love bombing and emotional manipulation
The Kith love to talk about the sisterhood of slavery. Although there's a male touch from the top, down, women largely run the harems absent male input. Sounds like a contradiction, but women find freedom and liberty in their slavery and subjugation and it introduces them to worlds they'd never experience in urbanite society. There's a joy in getting impregnated, watching your sister get impregnated next to you and then raising your children together that doesn't exist in urbanite land.