>>2798853
Just invest in solar and you dont have to live like a retarded jewish penny pincher

>>2798853
>to save money
>buy a new fridge that's shittier than the one you already have
>buy an air fryer
>buy a toaster oven
>put those on your counter while decluttering
>buy a bunch of rugs
Good plan anon!

>>2798853
Call the trash company.

Order a dumpster

Put your house in it. You don't need any of this shit.

If you say otherwise you're a woman.

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>>2798881
>Order second dumpster
>Flip it upside down
>This is your house now
>Throw your phone in the first dumpster

This board is full of complete morons. What assholes!

in the usa its very easy to figure out
what do you essentially need to waste money on
1 cost of living in building
if you can make this zero you are wealthy
that is you dont need to pay rent
2gas car,if you can avoid owning a car, or owning a honda civic modern one paid off, insurance and car are a big expense
unless paid off and economical

3 food, most people waste and go out
just cut it out
coffee

4, drugs and entertainment

just remember
there is a fine line between frugal
and being and asswhole hippy

you should not comprimise your health and sanitation as well as comfort

dont live like a fucking hippie

we have all the technology available to live frugally and comfy

solar power is not expensive and so is ac run on solar batteries

we have things that will heat water

we have low wattage fridges tvs

dont be a fucking hippie

a well built cuck shed can have insulation and modern wood flooring

dont be a fucking hippie

phones are not expensive and charging one and getting internet on one is not also
dont be a fucking hippie

Plants turns houses into homes

>>2798853
I view this kinda thing like tech upgrades from all those strategy games I played as a kid. A little money now for long term savings and efficiency.

Switched my heating from oil to a heat pump. Saves me about $500/yr. I also plan to supplement this with a wood burning stove to cut my electric bill in the winter, with the added bonus of being less dependent on others.

Proper insulation. Been renovating room by room, gutting down to studs insulating properly as I go, plus new windows. Once the last room is done, I'll double up the attic insulation to R60.

On the topic of money, building wealth doesn't come from religiously couponing and stealing batteries. It comes from not being a complete retard with the big ticket items. Despite what every other lemming is doing, student debt should be avoided at all costs, never buy new vehicles and don't buy more house than you need, especially at the wrong time. I have a 700sqft house, a paid off shitbox truck, and went to a cheap state school that I paid off like 12yrs ago. I spend more on food than my mortgage, and if it came down to it, I could get by on $1200-1500/month. I work with people that make around the same with mortgages north of $2k, with new cars and the latest iphones. These people will never make it, slaves to the system, forced to work until they die.

how hard is it to build and pour a 10yr septic system for two people?

bleach, ammonia, vinegar, baking soda and dawn soap will take care of 99% of your cleaning needs.

>>2798853
I know this is a small thing, but install a shower vent with a humidity sensor. It will turn on automatically when you shower. Just wanted to share that.

>>2799373
Plants have to be taken care of, raise humidity and attract bugs. I'm a fake plant chad

>>2799476
Plastic plants are for retarded faggots.

>>2798853
Learn to budget so these tips actually work. If your bigger fridge only costs $150 per year to run and you downsize to a much more inconvenient tiny fridge that costs $80 a year to run but costs you $400 it will take almost 6 years before you see a return on that investment. Meanwhile you’ll grumble every time you run out space in your now tiny fridge. Same deal for “upgrading” to more efficient appliances in general.
Unless they’re crazy old the efficiency will almost never be enough to justify the cost unless you measure the timeline in many years or decades. We recently replaced an oven from 1991 and the new oven is far more efficient but will still take about 5 years to justify its cost. though we got a modest model, a very cheap model would obviously be faster
Air fryers are terrible unless you only eat garbage like frozen tater tots and shitty excuses for roasted potatoes. Save money by not buying stupid pointless kitchen gadgets and cook your food the right way
Electric blankets are incredibly wasteful but comparatively cheap to running a whole house hvac. If your furnace dies consider replacing with mini splits in key areas. We did this when our furnace kicked the bucket and it’s saved us so much money by allowing us to only heat and cool rooms we are actually using rather than the entire house
Cleaning your house is generally a good idea, yes, but filling your open shelves with storage boxes is retarded. Empty space can be effective and having every square inch of shelf space occupied by storage is overwhelming. stop being a hoarder and get rid of your dumb shit you don’t need anymore
No one gives a shit about your rugs

>>2799377
>never buy new vehicles and don't buy more house than you need,

That's me, yet because I wrench I have more spare vehicles than I'll need for life and keep my trucks well over twenty years each.

>>2799379
Not very, needs depend on specific location. Plenty of info online.

>>2799494
Ugly dust magnets

>>2798881
>paying for a dumpster
use your truck and pay the dump fee like a man

t. my neighbor gets one of those giant ikea bag dumpsters every other month it's $159 for the bag, $200 to pick up taking the same load to the dump is $70 and that's assuming you can't get some craigslist junky to take it for scrap

Stuff I've done:

- Woodburning stove. Will take 10 years at current rates to hit ROI, but already saves me 1k per year cash flow and that number grows with inflation / energy costs. Plus it has other benefits like for power outages

- Buying a half cow yearly. I'm paying $4/lb for beef whether that's ground chuck or "prime" ribeye (this shit's not USDA inspected but it's fantastic grass-fed, grain finished)

- Keeping a deep pantry. I'm not a prepper, but a deep pantry has many benefits, one of which is the ability to buy things on sale or in bulk. I have a minimum of 1 year of every household product on hand at all times.

- Use a double-edged safety razor. My shaving costs are about $20 per year

- DIY haircuts. Far easier than you might think

- DIY car maintenance. #1 its cheaper than a mechanic, and #2 done right, your car stays in better condition which avoids catastrophic repair bills

- DIY home repairs. I can't get an electrician to my house for less than $300

- Cook for yourself

- Hydroponic gardening rig. Saves me money on tomatoes, herbs, lettuce, etc.

This stuff on aggregate saves me thousands of dollars a year. And saves time as well. I can change my car's oil with my oil vacuum faster than I can drive to the auto shop. Same for haircuts, etc.

>>2799679
Are you self taught or did you have someone you knew as a kid?

Im stingy as hell

I do all my own car work.
I change tires by myself with tire levers.
I don't borrow. If I cant pay for it today, maintaining it is dumb.
Small house. I have an ex who I used to own a normal house with, when she sued me i went off the deep end and built my 16x32 cuck shed outof reclaimed stuff i had. You really dont need a ton of space this is plenty. Bigger house just means bigger taxes.
Off-grid, completely. Used bits, new batteries. Last power bill I paid was in 2021. This adds up.
Dont pay others to do anything.
Just like, dont.

Except the alignment on your car. Unfortunately, all the diy ways to do this suck ass compared to shops.

I do building maintenance for a property management company. Finishing the inside of the house with fixtures removed from.evictions and rentals being renovated.

Hello fellow autists

>>2799679
If you're not a firefighter you shouldn't be spending more than $0 per year on shaving.

>>2799679
Huh. I literally do all of this Anon except my garden is outside and about 700 sq ft. We might be brothers from a different mother.

One thing that no one has mentioned yet is PAYING YOUR FUCKING MORTGAGE OFF EARLY. Start playing around with mortgage payoff calculators to see how much interest a mortgage actually charges. Right now with interest where it is a $200,000 loan will cost you $513,236 over 30 years. Fuck the banks, double your payment every month and the total loan will cost you $266,553 and it'll be paid off in 8 fucking years.


Not teaching children how devilish compound interest is should be a fucking crime.


https://www.ramseysolutions.com/real-estate/mortgage-payoff-calculator

>>2799749
Meaning what exactly? Hair is useless and a hassle to clean when one works on (everything) as I do. Keeping clippers (I use Andis ceramic blade pet clippers, the same one since the late 1990s but third blade set) and electric razors for convenience is trivial. Know what is trivial and concentrate on what pays the most for effort invested, like repair and maintaining nearly everything you own which capability grows every year.

One does not starve to prosperity. You will be able to make money easily unless you're stupid. You will be able to greatly multiply its effectiveness and eventually retire if you're smart so choose wisely and copy success. Whatever it is, many humans of billions have solved the problem before you. Wise men learn how.

You have noting wiser or more fun to do with leisure than learn. Ordinary men and women do all the needful so decide to do it to. The more you learn be greater the synergy until you learn that everything from jet fighters to a grub hoe is of a technological piece.

Retirement is everything. Careers like life are fleeting so seek the most secure job your country offers with ZERO concern for trifles like emotions (which are impediments if unmastered) and total concern for methodically planning your life to be robust (including minimizing risk and mitigating your own inevitable mistakes).

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Aussie homeowner here, I took the solar+battery pill a few years ago and so far have been 100% self-sufficient for electricity, with the exception being a couple of months in winter. I'd highly recommend it, but the caveat is that my stovetop, heating, and hot water are gas powered.

For heating I was thinking of installing a wood fireplace, but I don't know what's involved. I've built stuff before like an outdoor patio and my dad is pretty handy, I guess the trick would be figuring out how to get the chimney through my tiled roof and the ceiling without a fire risk.

The other major projects I'd like to do are rainwater collection and make a cool-room pantry. No idea if it's possible to DIY my own rainwater tanks cost-effectively, and for the pantry I'd love to figure out a way to keep it cooler in summer without running the house A/C.

>>2799679
>>2799746
I'm a mechanic by trade, having a simple old car that has lots of parts available is definitely a money saver, but riding a 250cc motorcycle is even cheaper - rego costs a lot less and it uses a third of the fuel compared to my wagon, plus you can park for free practically anywhere and the maintenance costs fuck all.

Avoid pets at all costs. Yes I like animals too but it's not worth it

>>2799857
This. Get a plant if you want to nurture something. Dogs are great animals but they're much more work than most would expect. Most dog owners suck at taking care of their dogs.

>>2799762
Poor people buying cars saying “how much will my monthly payment be” is now an attitude applied to mortgages. What’s extra sad is a lot of the people in this trap understand the issue, they’re just caught up in consumerism. They’re way more concerned with having a big nice house than having a mortgage paid off in a reasonable timeframe. And it’s extra sad because so many houses are built like shit, especially ones coveted by superficial dipshits that eat up flip jobs. That’s probably the biggest advice for this thread; worry less about saving $4 a month on your heating bill and re-evaluate your relationship with whatever consumerist vice you have. Maybe you buy tools all the time even when you have absolutely no need for them, maybe you buy fancy car shit, maybe you buy stupid pointless bullshit like funko pops, but something probably eats up your money under the guise of an “interest” or “hobby” that’s really just an excuse for impulse purchases and to go shopping for no real reason when you’re bored like a woman

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i am going to be in a situation soon where i will be living alone without having to work, however my budget will be incredibly tight. i want to get in to something DIY that won't break the bank when i feel burnt out of my creative outlets. bonus points if my monthly bills are cut down.

>>2799942
You might be able to DIY for other people to help bring your monthly bills down. Something like moving gravel around or gardening if you're good with a hedge trimmer. I think there's groups of people who do this sort of thing and then after they're done DIYing someone's lawn they get a bit of cash for their good work.

>>2799679
>Hydroponic
I hate this hydro meme. Hydroponics is a solution looking for a problem just put the plants in dirt.

>>2799949
i wish i could make more money but i unfortunately have to report everything i make to the government otherwise i will pay fines and have to move back in with my mom because i will have no money. i could probably build a good reputation in the apartment complex if i did that anyway without accepting payment, cause most of the other tenants are gonna be 55 and up

>>2799951
So let me get this straight, you fucked something up and now owe the government a lot of money, so you're moving into (what I assume) is section 8 housing and want to DIY as a way to make side cash to supplement the handouts you are getting? Your DIY hobby should be finding some latina and pumping exactly 3 kids into her. I cannot stress enough that you have exactly 3, as any more does not give any more money from the government. Also, no one is going to give a shit about your "Reputation" in the apartment because all section 8 people rotate through endlessly and don't give a shit, don't try to "DIY" fix shit either or the city maintenance department will evict you.

You're a slave.

>>2799954
i didnt fuck anything up (yet) but alright. i'm no praying man but i'll pray for you. happy trails.

>>2799692
Self taught.

>>2799857
You can eat pets to save money. Pigs eat everything so you get a garbage disposal in your kitchen, some kinds can even forage a little without tearing up the yard like a kune kune. Might have to feed through winter but you can slaughter at 18 months.

>>2799966
Just reading manuals and experimenting or did you get a book or something?

>>2799974

Yes, but more than anything it is about mindset. Decide to learn something and then go learn it, and as time goes on you start to see your skillsets overlap and build on each other. Not rocket science. The Internet is a fantastic resource for learning (for now at least).

>>2799679
>Buying a half cow yearly.
But I don't like a texture of frozen meats.

>>2799983
Most beef in stores has been frozen, often for more than a year, before it hits market. You're just an idiot.

>>2799983
I used to think this until I realized there is essentially no real difference AS LONG AS the meat was properly vacuum sealed, frozen and is held below 0 in a real deep freeze. Your fridge freezer's defrost cycle is different.

>>2799857
I really miss my dog but there's no denying my life got much easier after he died

>>2799966
Mind telling me how you learned?

I wish there was like a 1 drop hand soap dispenser. One drop of dish soap seems to work well.

>>2800236
just use actual soap not the liquid shit

>>2799469
Thanks, I didn't know about humidity sensors

>>2799951
Your a fucking retard. Move back in with your mom and save even more money.

>>2798875
This. Plus live on a lot with free gas. Pick yourself up a property tax unpaid piece of land on wv with gas well access in the deed. I have room for about 3 cabins.
>>2799746
I do my own alignments. There is a tool out of the UK that's $100 or so precovid, for alignments, if you want to get more precise, and you have a shop floor.
>>2800208
Dogs have a purpose of protecting the flock / animals. Geese supplement that. Don't get these fucking weird dogs that have no purpose other than to have breathing problems or a fat restricted diet. We had two local dogs, bred them and the pups came out great. First heat, first litter.

Only fucked up thing is I feed them really well. And got a weird cutback in income, so was stressed trying to provide the food. Still, they came out well. No PUFAs, no grains, and supplemented with dumor calf milk ultra replacement (tsc).

backyard farming isn't worth it unless you do it in large scale but that's at least a part time job worth of work

>>2800580
generally not worth it, no, but a small garden with foodstuffs is the right kind of labor to add to your life. i try to spend zero dollars on gardening by composting and amending the soil with ash and lime.

nut and fruit trees are the best, though. i spend maybe 4 hours a year on them. if you're young and own property, plant now. if you intend to inherit your parents property, plant now. tell them they're gifts.

>>2800009
Maybe where you shop

>>2798853
not surprised everyone here is tying to save money living solo but its like pissing in the wind. you need to split the costs to get anywhere fast. that and its another set of hands if they put in any work

>>2800671
ultimate frugality strat: live with your parents

Backyard chickens are easy and they make egg prices trivial. I consider it too much work to bother with meat birds and mine are mostly free range so they can stay after they stop laying. (I hate ticks and everything else they eat, they go full T-Rex on mice and baby rats.)

I've kept chickens for about a decade. Being lazy I buy chicks but I've also ordered eggs (Cackle Hatchery are long established) and looked after hatchlings.

Unless you plan on raising a large family, the smaller a house is the better

less heating costs
less shit too clean
cozier
have to think twice before buying extraneous shit that would take valuable space
lower property tax
less need for filler decor

Once I moved to my 50 square meter house I realized just how superior small spaces are. There's never been a time where I'm like "man, I wish I had more room". Even if I became rich I don't think I would want to go larger, this is plenty.

>>2800859
>"man, I wish I had more room"

I kinda envy you, but as a major /diy/ slut, I could use a huge shop to store all the tools I'd buy if I had room, not to mention a project car or 3. Wood working, machining, welding, painting, the list is long.

>>2800871
I'm more of an artfag so just having an arts and crafts table on my small office is enough

To be fair the things you mention seem like the kind you would have in a separate shed/garage/workshop not within your proper living quarters

>>2800881
My dream house would be a huge shop with finished rooms in the back for living in. That's not a common house though because it's impractical for anyone other than a single man.

>>2800859
>Unless you plan on raising a large family, the smaller a house is the better
How many sq ft/person is optimal in your opinion?

My current 50 Sq M setup is about 22 for a living/dining/kitchen open space, 6 for a bathroom, 11 for a bedroom and 11 for the other bedroom(my office). I can host small gatherings just fine but for multiple people at all times could feel a bit cramped so I would add around an extra 10 for the common living space, wouldn't give up the office(though it can easily be shared with a partner) and each child would need an extra 10 for a bedroom. Then it comes down to whether you feel like you would need a second bathroom(one works fine for a couple + 1 child but with multiple children it probably calls for another one). Regardless I would still try to separate the toilet and shower areas to facilitate bathroom use by multiple people. Multiple kitchens/living rooms are really really dumb.

And since with family life shit piles up easier a shed or garage would also be important.

anyone has any experience with robot vacuums? do they do a good enough job so you don't have to clean often?

>>2801342
Not worth it. Had one for the “convenience” of not having to vacuum. I was living in an apartment that would get very dusty and neededto be vacuumed once a week at least. The slot for dust was so small I had to clean it, and all the adjoining pieces, like the wheels constantly. Get a Dyson vacuum. It does the job, you toss dust in the trash, no constant cleaning bs

>>2800859
I agree. If your just a dude. A 300 sqft room with a bathroom is sufficent. Even for a couple.

Even for a family. The thing is having things to do outside

Most gen xers had tiny closet rooms. Thats all u need. A room for a matress tv

>>2800859
>>2801500
As much as I agree, there are no small homes/apartments left that they want to sell. Everything is a mcmansion or jumbo family sized.

>>2801541
build one

Anyone know where I can get cheap fences in Florida? Need for aprox 450 ft. and two gates.

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>>2801500
I hate the everything room concept. Sure it's enough to live in. But I really hated for example having to undo my bed into a couch every time I had frens over.
I hated that if in left the oven on for too long and shit got too crispy, the smell was lingering in the night because the kitchen is my bedroom.
I hated that my study desk was also my workbench and if I want to clean out the fans on the computer I have to remove all my school work of it first and then do it all again when I'm done.
>I think you need at a minimum a separate bedroom.
Also I grew up in a 1 bedroom where my parents ended up sleeping in the bedroom and I got the extra room.
I'm pretty sure they kept sending me out for trips and grandparents visits just so they can fuck once in a while. Since the rooms were right next to each other.

tiny spaces need a lot of good space planning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZpReNKFBeA

>>2798880
2pbp

>>2799967
If you're planning to eat it I don't think you can consider it a pet

Choose your lightbulbs wisely

>>2799679
Ten year ROI on a wood stove? Mine was closer to two years... but then again I have an all electric house.

I carry drink bottles in public bathrooms and fill them up with handsoap to use as bodywash. I also steal lightbulbs out of bathrooms since they can't record in there

>>2803665
Smart.

If you live in a standard American home chances are you have a regular electric water heater which costs 500+ a year in electricity costs alone. If you have gas then disregard this advice but I'd highly recommend any anons to get a heat pump water heater if you live in climate zone 5 or below.

I paid 1350 for a 40 gallon unit when I needed to replace mine and it uses about 100 a year in electricity. Sure it was 850 more than a standard water heater but it will pay for itself in a little over 2 years. Plus free AC in the garage is a huge plus since I'm in the South. (Not to mention the 30% tax credit on that 1350)

>>2800236
you can get free soap from public bathrooms

>>2804064
I don't want free soap, I just want to use literally as little as possible since it's be quicker to wash my hands.

Grow your hair in dreadlocks to save money on hair cuts and shampoo


Tip 0% when going out to restaurants


Use cocoa butter to prevent ashy skin and to not have to buy cologne


When you’re at a store or restaurant, if anybody slights you in a minor way scream and shout so that you can get a service or good comp’d or free added value


Teach your underaged children how to shop lift at Walmart so that when they caught they’re under age and released into your own custody

>>2804113
Once you save enough money;

Buy gold and hoard it


When selling goods or services haggle aggressively and when people are owed change, don’t give them the full amount.
In the rare chance they notice, claim it was an honest merchant mistake


Once you have shortchanged enough people, purchase property and rent it out to people where you aggressively raise the rent every year and refuse to do repairs/have tenants do the repairs through honest merchantry


Come up with some bullshit religious rule about no cheese on meat to avoid paying the up charge on every hamburger so your children eat cheap


Have the Roman’s kill the “false prophet“


Spread a lie about 6 gorillan of your people being killed during a war for sympathy, and refer to this lie whenever people call you out for your manipulation or honest merchant tactics


Have other countries fight your wars through manipulation of above lie


Control the world discourse and economy eventually

>>2804113
What about staring in adult films and using counterfeit bills to buy cigarettes for side money?

>>2799848
>but I don't know what's involved
it needs to be central, there needs to be forced air to carry the heat through the house you need fresh air and a chimney. that said what it really takes is getting up at 3am and adding a hardwood log that will burn for 3 hours, obtaining and storing said wood, possibly splitting, moving it indoors and cleaning and disposing of the ash. it's the kind of thing best suited having children who need chores.

>>2799942
salvage solar panels and car batteries. get a charger/controller from an old RV.

>>2801798
>every time I had frens over.
frens are a bigger money sink than pets. cat > people

>>2803843
I put $40k into a geothermal and it was fucking based because it superheated the water heater and you could crank the heat or AC without fretting about cost. Never would have recouped the money save for it being a big selling point in doubling the property investment. I wouldn't do it again, the capital is better place elsewhere while you eat the hot water bill to be quite honest.

>>2803285
This is indeed a good idea. I've been changing my old bulbs for leds, the lowest the wattage the better and the bill just keeps going down but, i still keep some old incandescent and fluorescent bulbs in places where i need them. For example, in my kitchen the stove has two small 15w light bulbs that i don't know if there are good leds that can replicate the same "light" the bulb emits and with lower energy or with the same heat tolerance. I also have a 40w warm frosted light-bulb that shines in the ceiling of the kitchen where there is also an led white light that uses only like 10w but that shitty white light makes food look really ugly.

>>2803557
what does ROI means? i'am no burguer

how can I live in an industrial space?
I can't afford a house and a space for my business

Eat your own cum to not lose protein.

>>2804115
I don’t know why I laughed so hard at this, I didn’t see where it was going until the false prophet thing.

Most of my LEDs last less than a year now. I’ve put back a lot the old fluorescents I took out when I “upgraded” to LEDs. Turns out LED is a downgrade.
They are all overly sensitive to arcing, like on a typical switch so you have to replace all your switches with solid-state, slow start relays to get the advertised lifespan.
I blew a LED just screwing it in… it arced a bit in the socket and it was gone.
Also, they’re over-driven, and they over heat, many of them can’t be used in bathrooms… it’s ridiculous. In the end, it’s eco-negative.

>>2804775
Your body actually re-absorbs it automatically without having to resort to that.
Think of two hours you’ve wasted every day of your life since you were 12 years old. You could have amounted to something.

Eat your own cum to not lose... Oh, some wonderful bastard has already recommended it! What a nice guy! I respect and value him!

>>2804774
don't most industrial spaces have bathrooms/kitchens? isn't that all humans really need anyway?

>>2804790
Well you are right, at least for me I have only lost like 4 of them. The oldest one I have working is like 8 years old. I’m not really sure if the cost is worth it but comparing a 400 lumens led bulb that consumes 5 watts against an equivalent incandescent that consumes 40 - 60 watts is a lot of difference.

>>2804790
> Most of my LEDs last less than a year now.
I’m afraid you’re onto something. My first gen LEDs (cheapo IKEA ones) are still going strong, but I’ve so far killed 3 new ones after oldschool lightbulb running times.
Guess we’re back to square one, just as with lightbulbs, when the OG manufactures realized that a product that dies quickly is better than a long life product. But hey, at least LEDs are much more expensive and much harder to dispose of than lightbulbs! (They do need less energy, though, but I’d like to see the numbers how long they need to run to offset the more energy intensive production and discarding).

>jus lower your quality of life, goy!
Retard. The greatest advantage of off-grid living is SPACE, you have the room for a fuck huge freezer and the the area for fuck tons of solar
>>2798875
This.

>>2800859
>has no hobbies
Faggot.

>>2800859
A 6ft long box, 6 ft under, is smaller still.

Meanwhile, the rest of us who want room to work in a shop, and exercise indoors during bad weather, and simply relax, will use the room that you won't, in your crazy zero-sum game mindset.

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>>2805437
LEDs actually use slightly more energy, it’s just that incandescents emit a lot more of it in the infra-red spectrum and we can’t see it. Lots of incandescents served as heaters, too.
Another phenomena of LEDs is that people know they only use 5 or 10 watts and, around here, they leave their lights on 24/7. Everyone on my street installed these outdoor dual lights, so they have about 20 or 30 of them under their soffits.
Picrel is the singles. They leave them on all night and all day sometimes.

I remember in the 80s when everyone was getting computers and we were gonna be a “paperless office” except we printed all kinds of shit out on the company’s laser printers and ended up using more paper than before. Waaay more, like 10x.
Same thing here.

>>2805456
>>2805464
>>2805890
this kind of defensiveness comes from people who o̶w̶n̶ (owe the bank) houses much bigger than they need to be coping by convincing themselves it was the right decision. also there's a 95% chance they are ameriburgers

>>2805907
>you don't NEED a comfortable house with separate rooms
>live in a pod

>>2805929
>>2801002

>>2805907
its false dichotomy fatty logic
>diet? YOU WANT ME TO STARVE MYSELF?
I have a nice little 700sqft house with a full unfinished basement and I got a decent setup for my main hobbies. Would like a detached garage tho, mainly for dust mitigation for stuff like wood working.

>>2805901
Exactly anon, that's the importance of choosing the bulbs wisely and position them well. People is really stupid and care nothing about light pollution. Indeed I've been replacing some "smart" led bulbs labeled to use 10W with cheaper and simpler ones that only consume 4W.

>>2804767
return on investment, made your money back in savings

>>2805907
> Ahem... as Professor so and so I am announcing that these people, over here, are

Did you say something? I'm over here living life and owing the bank zero. Project all you want. Popcorn time.

>>2805954
You live in a 1400 sqft house and by your own admission want more space. Faggot.

>>2805907
Only one being defensive is you, faggot. I reiterate: The greatest advantage of off-grid living is SPACE.

>>2806042
Outdoor space maybe. Most offgriders spend most of their time in the garden and don't need much room for triple monitor gaming computers and shelves for anime figurines.

Not that anon btw, generally speaking I think bigger spaces are better, though they are not without disadvantages

>>2806041
no its a 700sqft house. A basement that does not have heating is not counted towards to the living space of a home. To the original point, I only furnish that 700sqft, I only heat and cool that 700sqft. My property taxes are less because its only 700sqft. Are you seeing a pattern you disingenuous faggot? If you want to pad my stats to make your point, do the same to every 2500sqft mcmansion, so add another 1k for the basement and 400 for the garage. Oh look at that, my 'entire house', fits in their useless crap storage space.

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>>2806042
>>2806068
>>2806402

Hold your horses mates. Why argue about house sizes on a laotian nail polishing forum?

OT: I bought a way to big house. 3200sqft/ 300m2 on a third of an acre. Divided the house into two halves. So I have my parents as my next door neighbors at 90m2/ 970sqft.
Another 65m2/700 sqft will become a rental flat with a separate entry coming from another street. I can't use this much space now, the kids won't need their own room for the next 7 years or so. So this will bring maybe 500 bucks a month for renting it out 6 days/month. Buuuuut I can claiim so many tax deductions through it.

Other points:
Check tax rates. The house on the other side of the road is 300 bucks more expensive simply because its in another zoning plan lol
Live close to work, bike there. Cook your own meals (Instantpot), Leds, Heat pump, Insulate wisely ( check out Gary at builtitsolar.com)
Garden, Chickens, Dumpster dive, Clothing rack, Solar.

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I'm a total nobody when it comes to houses but I think the whole paradigm is just wrong.
>thin concrete base that WILL crack
>WOODEN frame that will be susceptible to moisture, mold, and insects. Also not good for soundproofing and will bend
>shitty ass "roof" made of wood and then you have some shingles that are NOT waterproof and need to be replaced every 20 years
If I was building a house from scratch I would concrete pour the walls and roof with reinforcement inside. Have a void space in between where you can put insulating material.
All utilities would be exposed so that they can be accessed easily for maintenance. Running electric and plumbing through the walls is so stupid. You have to destroy your house to do anything.

>>2806402
>I'm poor.
Not an advantage, generic trash

>>2807091
lol, nah, just smart and responsible. Certainly not rich, but by myself I make more than the average household income, and sock away ~30% a year into my 401k, brokerage accounts, and now just for fun some precious metals and crypto. Completely blow the average american out of the water when it comes to how little I have in debt and how much I have saved for retirement. My only major expenses are getting my house renovated, insulating properly, more efficient heating and cooling and other measures to reduce my dependence on the outside world.

I'll keep building my little fortress to weather the future storms. A quiet and comfy life where I'll likely be free from full time work in my early 40's. It's freeing, you should try it.

>>2804287
I've got plenty of mass around my fireplace, I heat it once or twice a day for sufficient radiant heat for entire day. With two loads of firewood, it stays above 40C for more than a day. I highly recommend having a modern high efficiency fireplace with high mass 1-5 tons depending on your your requirement

>>2804287
Dude my stove has an integrated heat exchanger which feeds into a tank in the cellar and from there into the central heating system. Takes a little while to get it started, but depending on the outside temperature I don't need the feed the fire for approx 20-30h.

>>2798853
Saving money is mostly about earning more and eliminating as many recurring payments as you can. If you can get out of rent and auto payments, school, and health then you're pretty clear to simply earn invest and spend. Investing is key because you need to approach money in a way that passive income supplements unless you're already earning fat stacks.

Only climate control the rooms you use. Let the rest of the house acclimate to whatever is just shy of creating plumbing or other problems. I use a window unit AC only when I get back and might need it.

Try to cut down on your coffee, gas station, and take out expenses. Give yourself at least one day of meal prep. Every meal you eat from the grocery is 1 hour of labor you're saving in income. If you can spend 1-2 hours cooking something that will feed you 5 times, you're paying yourself with health and value.

Save the materials you use for work, but keep them organized. If you can't find something in 30 seconds, you're disorganized and don't really own it anymore. It's just laying somewhere in your way.

Use your coupons and credit/bank/referral bonuses. If you can tolerate roommates, have some teamwork in getting all those bonus bucks.

>>2806609
Drywall is simple to rip holes in and fix. You're just pouring yourself an unfinished basement to live in.

>>2807523
>it's unfinished because... it just is okay?
the way most people are slaves to conventional aesthetics is honestly kinda sad

>>2799679
>DIY car maintenance.
It's good knowing your oil is changed with what you want when shops will give you lower grade oil or say they changed it when they didn't. Mechanics are on par with Doctors.

>>2799950
Oxygenation of roots improves plant growth/health.

The biggest energy hog in your home tends to be the dryer. Just hang dry your clothes, it's literally free.

>The biggest energy hog in your home
that would be the AC

>>2808313
AC is one of the main reasons I got solar power, they complement each other perfectly.

>>2807523
>>2807562
The "perfect wall" concept house does what you have described as far as exposed utilities. Wood and stick framing is the generally better option in most of the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mNTHP-Y_GE

>>2808115
more likely the oil out of the car before you

I need to make tools and build a structure that can withstand rain with no money anyone got docs and not stupid videos off yt

>>2799377
The stove install isn't going to be cheap. it will be a while before the energy savings pays for it.

>>2800236
Get some foaming soap dispensers from Amazon, and buy castille soap. One bottle lasts me over a year, between 3 sinks.

>>2800671
I a second income stream would definitely help out. But I've sort of given up on having a long term live in partner. I haven't been on a date since 2019, and I don't go anywhere, at all, pretty much. And when I do, I go in, and get out asap.

>>2801798
I am the sort of person that needs a space for everything. And despite the fact that I know that, and the fact I have way too much space for one person (2400 sq ft), I still don't do it. I live in 2 rooms in the house.

>>2805070
You need a place to eat, place to sleep, and place to wash/defacate. You should never combine any of these three activities.

>>2806602
I bought a house that's a little big for one person. 2400 sqft on 1/4 acre. Not the best choice for a starter home. I only actually live in 2 rooms, the kitchen and the bedroom, and that's about 500 sq ft. The issue is the rest of the house offers me a place to spread out my stuff, so it looks like less stuff. If some anons are comfortable living in a cardboard box, that's great for them. But I like space.

>>2807562
You clearly don't understand use of space and its relationship to the human condition. And you are clearly just larping.

>>2808122
The biggest energy hog in my home is literally the in wall forced air heater in the upstairs bathroom. Which is why I disconnected that bitch.

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>>2798853
So I'm probably gearing up to rewire my house. I was considering doing some sort of retrofit more along the lines of what I've seen before in commercial and industrial fields and rather than trying a shit ton of things to wire nuts, using something like this in junction boxes to allow for singular fed breakouts. This theoretically allows me to diagnose every single connection from the breakout, let's me GCFI/AFCI each outlet individually and prevents the entire string from dying if one outlet dies. The maintenance prevention of these is simple. It's a screw for each individual connection, there's no worry about over torquing a stupid nut or shitty connections, the junction can be enclosed into special junction boxes that are gasketed so moisture, dust, and pests aren't a concern when you combine this with conduit enclosed THHN.

Rated for 600V, 20 amps,12 AWG. Should work, but before I actually started to work for this, there could be some sort of code fuckery or "What the fuck are you doing, you goddamn idiot" that I don't know about.

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I just stumbled upon this sub and have no idea what I'm doing but for future reference, if I want a solar run house, what brands should be I looking into? Any other online resources to check out? Books to read?

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>>2809469
For example, this is how this would work. Each block can junction together so each ten block, the black and white, acts as the same feeder. You feed one with a hot, and one with the return, it feeds all ten slots as a result, giving you nine potential terminations to feed from. Each circuit is separated from each other and is torqued down with a #10 screw, 3/4. It cannot handle a ton of power, but it can handle the majority of what a home would demand as long as you're not running something like an air conditioner or the like.

>>2803665
Based

>>2809470
Will Prowse on youtube

I ate chicken liver for months just because it's so goddamn cheap, and it was good too but i eat it to the point of hating it. Now i can only eat once in awhile.
>>2804790
I'm having a hard time getting into LEDs because i'm so used to the color of my little fluorescents.

Also, some dude on youtube dissected the saudi lamp, the king demanded philips produced lamps that weren't shit if they wanted into the saudi market and so they did. The made to fail slop goes to everyone else.
I wonder if i could attach a heat sink into an LED to make it last longer since heat is the main killer.
>>2800017
Damn, good to know

My fridge is nearing it's end. It is 24 years old but now it's not cooling enough.
I wonder if i should throw some money at maintenance or get a modern one that will most likely die in 5 years most.

>>2811166
chances are that a new one will at least be more energy efficient

>>2811189
but harder to fix and will not last nearly as long.

>>2811189
Sure but i doubt it will pay for itself in comparison with my old one before it dies. If my old one wasn't turning warm.

>>2810198
Thank you anon

>most of the world does just fine without AC. use weather appropriate clothing + an electric blanket in the winter and a fan in the summer
last year before I installed an ac unit in my apartment, during the hottest days of summer when the sun was directly at my windows the inside temperature would go up to 38C (100F)
And since it's a new energy efficient building it would take up to two cooler days with all the windows open to get the temperature down to a more reasonable 32C.
No amount of penny pinching will ever convince me that comfort is a worthwhile sacrifice.

>>2812098
>No amount of penny pinching will ever convince me that comfort is a worthwhile sacrifice.
Try explaining that to boomers heh

>>2812098

> Tries to cool down a room using AC with the window open.
> Somehow complains.

Are your parents siblings?

>>2809470
Second prowse.

diysolarforum and mobile-solarpower (his sites)

A really simple system would be a couple of 5kw eg4, sok, trophy or diy batteries, up to 14kw, then a 3k eg4 or similar growatt. Always buy from a dealer, like currentconnected.

The other end, is people starting with 30-50kw of batteries and an 18k eg4, which has enough power to be wired in series with a regular split-phase 200 amp US panel. Economic stuff like that, means no more breaking out critical loads into a subpanel, which simplifies the retrofit, after the wiring has previously been installed for a 100% grid use system.

>>2799476
desert succulents are my middle ground, little maintenance, absorbs moisture from the air.

>>2812098
you can put a sticky membrane that reflects solar energy on your windows, preventing the oven effect you get with windows.

>>2799381
You could throw out bleach and ammonia with judicious use of hydrogen peroxide. It cleans and disinfects many surfaces, and combined with vinegar it becomes a more powerful acid.

>>2799506
It's been enough years now that a refurbished washing machine or freezer could pay for itself in savings in just a few years over the cost of a 20yo device. Have your friend buy and return one from a big box store, then go buy it yourself when it shows up in the back marked down twice as openbox+clearance.

>>2799679
>$4/lb for beef
Still cheaper at walmart, hippy.

>>2799765
>unless you're stupid
Hey, some people are crazy. Don't be a bitch.

>>2799857
How do I convince someone else to open a cat cafe near me so I can go there when the veil drops?

>>2799942
You could master shoplifting or shuffle all your money out of public record and apply for financial assistance for food/rent/internet/phone/winter-heat/etc. Or you could choose to work a little. If you're over 60 and really spin the plates you could do all at once.

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I just started thinking and I found this thread to share my thoughts because it seemed to be the most relevant. Kitchens don't need to look like this. If you bought some old rundown house with a shitty looking kitchen. You wouldn't need to spend a fortune ripping everything apart and making it look like this. All that it takes is me saying that to open your mind.

Yes, you do need fridge/appliances, you do need surfaces to cook, and you need a place to store pots, pans, dishes, and utensils when not in use, but you don't need follow this kitchen template (that ends up costing tens of thousands of dollars). I'm sure, in your ingenuity, you can figure out a cheaper and more efficient kitchen.

>>2814708
This applies to the every space in the house, but most of these renovations are done by flippers who have a justification to charge you $100k more for a kitchen that coated $10k with the cheapest garbage.

>>2799762
Mortgages are not compound interest, at least in America. It's only worth paying your mortgage off faster if you can't put that money to more effective use than your interest rate. For me, stock market easily beats 2.5% APR. Of course, there are other benefits to paying it off early, like not having to carry certain kinds of insurance (but you probably should carry that anyway).

I own a fully payed off home that is quite big that I live in alone. I'll give you some tips that has helped me

>get the biggest kitchen sink you can. I used to have a small cuck sink, I upgraded to a bigger one, one of the best purchases i've ever made
>a good robot vacuum for each floor and schedule them properly. I now never have to vacuum at all. The robot vacuums are very low maintenance.
>store all the shit you aren't using in organized bins and dedicate one room or garage for storage.
>organization, organization, organization
>use your vertical space, wall mount everything you possibly can.
>get rid of old inefficient boomer furniture (china closets, display cases, etc)
>learn to DIY fix anything in your home.
>Get rid of your lawn is possible, I don't see a single reason to have a lawn.

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>>2814682
Have you tried mind control?

>>2814726
>Get rid of your lawn is possible, I don't see a single reason to have a lawn.
I agree, but what do you replace it with.

>>2814738

I'm still thinking about it, maybe some nice cement or brickwork floor assuming nature can't grow out of the cracks. If I really want plants I can get planters.

>>2814738
plant a garden, with aromatic herbs
>>2814726
>I don't see a single reason to have a lawn.
temperature control, concrete is a heat sink

>>2814726
>use your vertical space, wall mount everything you possibly can
do you have shelves on almost every wall or something? can you give men an example?

>>2814738
> what do you have instead of a lawn?

Permaculture, food forest. Plants that compliment each other and the local ecology. Some provide food, some provide other benefits.

Having land really meant you could grow and harvest from a piece of land exclusively for your family. Then taxes and so-on means if you're mainstream, by now you supposedly pend half the year paying those. It used to be 10% of the year on year increase. My, how far we've come.

So, people get out of suburbia. They pack up, and try their hand at animals. You can have rabbits and quail in a suburban setting. With the money you save, get out of there.

>>2798853
Remove the water cuck limiter from all your faucets and shower heads

>>2803843
>heat pump water heater
I never knew this existed. That's amazing. I could do with having my garage cooled off, too. Looking at pics of some of Rheem's shit, though, it looks complicated. You think it will last the ten years it claims?

>>2798853
>Home streamlining / frugality
avoid women

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If you buy a new wheelbarrow go straight online and find a "flat free" tyre in the EXACT same dimensions, It will still be half the price of what your wheelbarrows brand wants for an OEM tyre and tube (which will still go flat after one use)

>>2815984
Sure, i just break up with my girlfriend because was spend on her or something better for my life.

>>2816124
Klasse. I have like 2-3 wheelbarrows (not all here) that need this treatment. Ah, one of them is not a wheelbarrel. It is a hand cart. They have solid wheels for those too?
>>2815984
True. Well they can be expensive, particularly western materialistic females who want more. Have to put your foot down. It's a test.
>>2816223
The lesson is above. Girlfriend is ok. Out west you're starting with trash unless you get her young. So keep up the work. Men who do, oftentimes are in cultures that do. Thus those cultures have families.

How do you make the best of this
>bedroom also is office room and where you eat.
>hoarder
>clutter

>>2816369
Therapy.

>>2816369
the key to changing habits is modifying your environment.

>bedroom also is office room and where you eat.
if there's really no way you can rearrange the rest of your house to better distribute those functions(you dont have a kitchen table to eat on?) you gotta divide your room. Shoji walls, curtains or at very least dividers.

>hoarder
>clutter
Lots and lots of closed storage. Everything needs to have its place. Sort your items into categories and each category should have it's own box/shelf/closet. As you sort you should be thinking if you actually need it or if you can get rid of it so in the decluttering process also have 3 dumping piles: sell, donate, trash. It's gonna get busier and messier before it gets neater.

>>2816223
How many $$$ is pussy worth to you?

>>2816366
I've seen a bunch of 10" ones for trolleys so I'm sure they have them in most sizes.

>>2805890
If he sits there enjoying himself the whole time he still wins.

>>2814731
What kind of stupid wiener npc thinks in words?

>>2816369
Picnic blanket, hoard data, stuff small garbage into container garbage as you go.

>>2816884
A mind controlled one, which is kind of the entire point?

>>2816369
>hoarder
have less stuff. there's no other way around it. have less clothes, less games, less food, less space. survive on the bare minimum. this is if you're an actual hoarder and not exaggerating.

I live in a big house with a relatively big lawn. Fully walled.
I'm all for efficiency, but smaller does not necessarily mean more efficient.

A few examples:
> More storage space means that I can buy in bulk, which is cheaper and helps me use the car less often for shopping.
> I can be more self sufficient: space for solar panels, a well, etc...
> A nice, green lawn, with some trees, is good for your health, both mental and physical.

I do agree about OPs organisation remarks. I have a storage room, to keep stuff "out of sight, out of mind", with lots of shelving, and storage boxes in them. It helps keep things organised and not in your face all the time. And keeps them protected from dust and anything. But, again, this means you need space...

I don't think stuff like smaller appliances would help. Why would I prefer a small fridge and constant going to the shop, instead of my current setup with a normal fridge and a big freezer? I spend less time and money going to the shop, and these appliances are very efficient: I'm sure you spend more on gas going to the shop than what I could save. And, as some anons said, just add solar panels: if your stuff is already efficient, there's diminishing returns on trying to squeeze more watts, when you can produce much more than you need, and even help your neighbours be more green.

I'm into home automation, and I've been automating lots of stuff so I don't need to keep an eye on everything all the time. I wholeheartedly agree with >>2814726 about the robot vacuum: it's not just about the time savings, a reasonably good one will free your mind from even thinking about this more than once a month when you empty it. I've added a robot mower recently now that the technology improved, and it's fantastic, another thing you can almost forget about.

>>2799762
>One thing that no one has mentioned yet is PAYING YOUR FUCKING MORTGAGE OFF EARLY. Start playing around with mortgage payoff calculators to see how much interest a mortgage actually charges. Right now with interest where it is a $200,000 loan will cost you $513,236 over 30 years. Fuck the banks, double your payment every month and the total loan will cost you $266,553 and it'll be paid off in 8 fucking years
/Biz/ tier logic, lass.

>Secure a loan with a rate lower than your returns on your investments.
>The money your investments build at a faster rate than you're bleeding to the bank loan.
>The home will continue to increase in value with time and acts as a hedge against inflation.
>The entire time your investments are growing and your home value is increasing, you're living in said home. To optimize this situation, rent a room or two and live free in your own home whilst others pay your loan down for you.
This is how you win, lass. how people like you lived through the global pandemic and it's fallout without learning an gotdamn thing baffles me.

>>2800236
Here’s my 4 tiers of Soap Frugality
- Dilute the liquid soap with glycerin. You can’t dilute it with water or it will breed bacteria. Glycerin inhibits bacteria by osmosis, drawing the water out of the cells to interact with the glycerin instead.
- But the real frugal is bar soap. It takes months to use a $1 bar, and it isn’t full of filler water. I use glycerin base ones rather than fat based as you have to clean the soap scum off your sink with those. The glycerin ones don’t really do that.
- cut the soap bar in half. It’ll go further coz it will dry faster and won’t slime into the soap dish. When your soap is wafer thin, don’t flush it down the drain, meld it to your new bar of soap.
- Ultimate frugal is making your own but I haven’t done that yet as I’ve been moving a lot but soon I’ll be settling down.

>>2800583
How do you get $0 lime?

>>2800671
Yeah it’s just as hard doing it alone as doing it with someone without the same mindset as you.

>>2801541
Tiny home kits if you’re looking to buy

>>2800386
>There is a tool out of the UK that's $100 or so precovid, for alignments, if you want to get more precise, and you have a shop floor.
i wanna know this cheap alignment tool, it would pay itself in only two uses
>>2804790
the most efficient leds doesn't have those problems, as you say the problem is the more lumens ones are really overdriven
>>2812098
you know you can use reflective blinds no?
>>2808117
couldn't you just inject compressed air in the dirt?

>>2805901
I used to have lightning bugs until some boons moved in next door that leave their outside lights on 24/7. Can't even go out and look at the stars anymore. Night lighters are pathetic and a detriment to the local environment

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>>2798853
>an electric blanket in the winter
only 100% efficient. heatpumps are over 100%. gas is cheap. fuck you.
>and a fan in the summer
FUCK YOU, you western euro SHIT
SEETHE

>>2818127
>gas is cheap
>heatpumps
What are you getting at? Won't your efficient heat pump end up more expensive than a gas system + electric blanket?

>>2815918
I went with rheem because they had the most favorable reviews. I would say it will last 10 years since the build quality looked solid on mine. It may look complicated but it's really just a normal water heater with a tiny heat pump on top. Hell, all a heat pump is is a reverse AC unit and my home AC unit is 34 years old and going strong. Change the anode rod every few years and you should be golden.

I've had mine for one year so far and my average energy usage per day is 2.16kw with 2 people living at home (it's also in an uninsulated, unheated garage)

>>2818083
Been digging. It's been a few years since I came across it. I strongly considered ordering it at the time.

>>2799746
> do building maintenance for a property management company.
fuck you

>>2818197
Depends on the price of electricity and gas, then how efficient a particular heatpump is in your climate.

In the UK, I ran my heatpump (was installed for aircon) for all of Feb after my central heating boiler failed. It actually ended up being slightly cheaper.

It wasn't a big enough difference to really recoup the cost if I were to get a proper heatpump driven hot water system and replace my boiler though. I think it only makes sense if you're building a new home or your old system if being ripped out anyway.

Also, you can basically run aircon off solar in the summer and even in the UK a bit of pathetic winter sunlight is better than nothing.

>>2799746
>You really don't need a ton of space this is plenty. Bigger house just means bigger taxes
Man I lived in a shipping container for a few years in my 20's and even that was too big for me. Now as a single mid-30's farmhand/welder/cattle truck driver I'm renovating a 13 foot 70's caravan and spend more time in it than in the old stone cottage I'm renting. I spend more time sleeping in a hammock in the kitchen than in my actual bed, and I'm thinking about just fucking off the bed in the caravan and welding up a couple of hooks in the frame to hang the hammock inside it.

The cottage is pretty primitive and my existence seems kind of creepy and weird, but Bitches Froth. Like I somehow manage to bone attractive 20yo female backpackers every now and then who will willingly sleep in a double hammock and shit in a composting toilet

>>2804774
>how can I live in an industrial space?
By making friends with other people who are already doing it. The container I lived in was in the empty one of two warehouses side-by-side a sketchy young lebanese guy was renting, to build furniture out of scrap that he was dumping around the site for his families' rubbish removal business. Sketchy place. Dilapidated shithole. It was probably $500 a week rent for the whole property. Between myself and the 7 employees who all had their containers stacked up around the walls of a huge space with an amazing skate park we built in the middle... we were paying $50 cash a week each and had a big kitchen + break room and bathroom with 5 cubicles like out of an office space. We had to be sneaky about it because of zoning, but every weekend the roller doors would roll up and the music would blare out and all the neighboring warehouse inhabitants would be doing the same like HEYYY YOUUU

>>2804790
The fix for that is to make your own circuits for the LEDs and set them up so they only use half the power that they are rated at, as well as those solid state switches to avoid arcing. That should make your LEDs last really long.

If you combine that with getting some of those Saudi lamps as >>2811165 said, they should last you a lifetime.

Plumbing
>whole house filter
>Hot Water Recirculating System
>heat pump water heater
>low flow showerhead
HVAC
>mini split ductless heat pump system
>insulation in the attic
>whole house fan
Electrical
>200 amps panel upgrade
>solar panel setup if applicable?

Am I missing anything major?

>>2821487
>>Hot Water Recirculating System
if you are going that way, get a heat recovery system for the ventilation as well.
also try to be as passive as possible with the hvac, you may not even need it

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>>2821624
>heat recovery system
Thanks for this. This solves a lot.
>try to be as passive as possible with the hvac
Do you mean don't get a big system? Or just open the windows in the summer and wear a sweater in the winter?

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>>2821487
>low flow showerhead
and then everyone hates you because you smell like ass.

>>2821651
Just use alot of soap and do the navy shower method?

>>2799950
Hydroponics use less water and space allowing for crop cultivation on non-arable land.

>>2821746
We have emote arable land available today than we did 50 years agp

>>2821750
No we don't.

>>2821635
the dumb way is to just insultate a lot more (check for thermal bridges) , but the proper way depend on how the house is done, where do you have the house, which regulations you have, etc
in general anon read or watch something about passive houses
https://youtu.be/CasrjYhZB1M

>>2821635
People sleep on landscaping but a properly thought out yard will help cool your house
Use native plants to reduce maintenance

>>2809402
Nigger what? Installed a wood stove recently sub 3k. ROI was quick considering my all electric house can reach 11$ a day to heat with E.

>>2822333
>lol my install was inexpensive by an arbitrary definition of the word that applies to me. And the circumstances of my install are identical to every other anon in this thread lmao
Try not to pull a muscle patting yourself on the back.

>>2822434
as opposed to your arbitrary definition of "cheap" and "a while"?
Install a large wood stove and put yourself in it

>>2822447
>lol commit self harm lmao
I don't actually expect anons to be able to communicate effectively. I do that so I can be pleasantly surprised whenever an anon does.
I have not been pleasantly surprised by you.

Man this shit is retarded as fuck. There is absolutely no future use for money that is better than air conditioning right now. If you offered me 10 thousand dollars next year, or air conditioning this year. I am taking AC every time. And you arent saving 10 grand either not by a long shot.

>>2822468
Pussy

>>2821655
The Navy Shower Method is powdered soap, because it takes longer to pick it up.

>>2798853
I'm neutral at worst towards everything except:

>The fridge
The difference in average power consumption between different sizes of fridge are nothing. You may be confusing peak power or something.

>Heating/cooling
It's overused, sure. But you shouldn't shy away from A/C in at least one room.

>>2799038
>>2799039
>>2814678
Subhuman

>>2799679
>>2799746
I like having a proper bathroom and I will never do my own turd-herding.

>>2799967
>>2803665
>>2804064
Based. Simply based.

>>2804791
2 HOURS? Never goon. If you must, quickly snap one off without porn.

>>2805437
Mod your bulbs by changing out reference resistors. Big Clive has a video on this. Regardless, I assure you that the ROI comes fast unless you're buying premium bulbs. How are LEDs more difficult to dispose of?

>>2809470
It's called a "board" and you shouldn't namefriend.

My advice:
>Safety razors/ivory soap/whatever shaving cream
>Depending on your caloric outtake, starve yourself. Only shop the perimeter of the grocery store. Intermittent fasting is good to an extent.
>If you can, get a chicken-grazing setup like the one Stony Ridge Farmer has. Not going to find it now, but he's got a big movable cage with no bottom.
>People don't actually need much in the way of clothes, even if you dress up a lot. In the pre-industrial world where people did plenty of dirty natural labor, they made do with, at most, a couple suits for life. You certainly *need* no more than one winter jacket/overcoat. Hand repairs are easy to make.
>Most people wash their clothes and shower too often, even considering modern hygienic standards.
>Shave your head.
>Tetrd

'chicken grazing set-up'

Do you mean a chicken tractor? You described a chicken tractor. There's going to be hundreds of results on youtube and elsewhere. It's an open-bottom cage, you move daily, and the chickens graze away everything within its footprint.

It does not work if you have poor soil/poor fodder. I should say no soil, poor fodder. The chickens will starve. That's most of the hilly areas, the ones that can't hold on to organic material.

>>2823281
Big differences between a well insulated chest freezer and a low-efficiency side-by-side.

Stay away from cheap names like Magic Chef that have been bought and sold. The compressors have a reputation for lasting a year, then failing.

>>2818007
What about salt water? What about antibacterial soap? That generally has quats in it.

>>2823531
Good to know the name. I think it goes without saying that the chiggers can't eat if there's nothing to eat, though. Maybe I should've added that caveat?

>>2805907
You can indeed tell they are ameriburgers because living off solar is outlawed in many countries outside the US (utility bills count as a kind of tax)

>>2823649
> caveat

One wouldn't think the land could be so dead, but it's almost as if blind hillbillies moved out to hilly land, stripped everything from it with 'flat land' farming techniques -which are destructive enough on flat land- eradicating any kind of organic material, leaving it barren.

Once the Ozarks opened-up, they fucked-off and moved again, out there. Same hilly contours, same clay, further from the horrible east coast and it's j... screwed neurotic city conditions and zog/goybots. But, Ozarks also has rocks. Lots of rocks in that clay.

When I was looking at Permaculture, there was a lot of talk about no-till and building soil, and here I was thinking of an application on relatively contoured or flat land, with a moderate amount of infertility. I had no idea there were whole areas of north america, that had been raped by retard farming methods. I don't expect others to realize it, or if they are from those areas, admit to it.

You know that dust-bowl created by retards farming the plains areas incorrectly? Where originally the topsoil was 10ft deep or more? Ok, do that same retard raping of the land, with total blindness to the future, but with hills, made out of clay. There's no way that later organic material will accumulate, because it's slick when wet, and the river runs brown everytime it rains.

I don't think I can fault your presumptions for that; they are kind of universal, that we didn't think a europoid people could be that short-sighted and unable to farm correctly, yet, here we are. Short-sighted alcoholic irish naggers, or something.

>>2823739
>because living off solar is outlawed in many countries outside the US
You're making this up. I dare you to mention a single such country, and back up your claims.

>>2823761
>>alcoholic irish naggers
Oh no laddy buck, that was the filthy italians

>>2814675
but you also need to consider MTBF

a new heat pump cloth drier has so many parts and electronics if it fails after 3 years waranty ends and you need a new control board for 300$ without guarantee it fixes the fault.
while the old miele dryer from the 90s with electro mechanical control is going to be inefficient but all the lemons already failed and the ones surviving untill this day will probably last a decade or two more.

>>2816366
i would use solid tires for the cart since it has 4 wheels to fail.

for wheelbarrows i have mixed feelings the cheap 15$ foam wheels are not nearly as good as a rubber tire with the correct pressure. they are mushy and not hard enough. so they demand more power pushing the barrow.

i only use them on my wheelbarrow on my remote garden where i have limited tools and no compressor.

i have no experience on the really expensive solid rubber tires they use on construction sites for 60$ a tire

>>2817949
>$200,000
here in west europoor this can buy you a 1 room flat.
or you have to go to bumfuck east germany but then there will be no high paying jobs.

swizerland has reached a state where people do not even plan to pay back their loan within their lifetime, the kids will inheit the house and half the loan one day and can decide to pay it off or sell the house back to the bank and make profit from the increased value.

>>2817221
>I'm into home automation, and I've been automating lots of stuff so I don't need to keep an eye on everything all the time.

im an industrial electrican and deal with automated stuff dayli and if i build a house im not going to automate a single thing.
all wiring will be made with highest quality switches and enought sockets and far more fuses and circuits than needed but no automation at all. the wiring is going to last 100years and hopefully provides anought sockets and power for demands in 100 years.

but atleast i wont have to keep a win 10 pc running for the next 20 years because my home controler from brand x only works with win10 32bit SP2, or spend a year retrofiting a new controler in 2040 because the old one failed and no direct replacement is aviable.

>>2798853
Cancel all streaming services and just pirate. If you're determined to watch shit on your phone just set up a Jellyfin server on your PC, it takes five minutes and there's tons of guides online. I watch shows and movies all day and haven't paid for streaming services since 2021.

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>>2821624
>Hot Water Recirculating System
but that usualy wastes more energy throught pipe losses than it saves water from not having the tap running untill warm water comes.

for seldom used stuff like the guest bathroom a direct electric heater is going to save the most and you need to only run 1 cold water pipe.
for the bathroom shower and tub a gas/oil or heat pump is going to be cheaper than direct electric heating.

>heat recovery system
>wear a sweater in the winter?

in germany we have so called passive houses which are so thick insulated that combined with pic rel a heat recovery in the ductwork, the internal "waste" heat produced by electric devices or from cooking or even from the persons living in it (60-100W does a human produce) are enought to heat he house

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>>2825451
some company's make heat exchanging shower drains.
for that to work you have to produce the hot water somewhere near the shower.

combined with a direct electric heater the heater only has to heat water from 15C° -> 25C° instead of 8C° -> 25C°

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>>2825451
i think you are not understanding what i meant, i mean picrel in the waste lines of the spots that uses hot water
if not, i mean obviously you should insulate the pipes after you install all of it, but most people dont even consider it. Also you only install it in the kitchen sink, the main bathroom (which in most places are really close, like in my house they are wall to wall and share all the pipes, i would only need one)
its is proven that properly installed saves like 30% of the hot water usage
>>2825452
those are nice when you need more than one or to retrofit and you cannot do it the other way

>>2825449
My controller is open source, and not a product from any brand, so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to run it anywhere in the future too.
All my "smart relays" (which are a very small part of what home automation means) are local-only, standards-compliant, so I can replace them with any other brand doing the same, without any issue. Oh, and all have "manual override" with plain old switches in case anything fails.
I hate stuff that depends on the brand's cloud, and would never install anything like that.

Additionally, let me explain the importance of this stuff. I have an older relative at home who always used to skip turning on the lights on the stairs when going to the upper floor. She once fell and hurt herself, but you know, old people can be very stubborn. Automating those lights can be convenient for us, but for her it's about safety: it can save her life.

I agree that using the best wires and switches is important, but that's not enough: buildings can't stay like in the 70s forever. We demand more: better insulation, better air quality, better windows... And that makes perfect sense. Home automation is just another part of this. Sadly brands are investing in making people do it wrong, tying themselves to a brand/cloud/whatever, but it can be done right.

And... home automation is MUCH more than lights! Home automation is also sending info from the solar inverter to the car charger so it knows how much power it can use each instant. Or keeping track of power usage to detect if any appliance is misbehaving. Or having convenient access to the CCTV recordings without any proprietary app or cloud. Don't let the lights folks convince you that home automation is only about that...

>>2799476
You learned nothing of what it means to live

>A few small tips some of you might not know

"DampRid" canisters are just calcium chloride, which you can buy for about $22/50lb bag at menards. If you use that stuff a lot you can either refill the canisters or make your own out of any old plastic containers you have around. Just remember that calcium chloride can absorb moisture through even a very small opening, so its best to transfer the 50 lb bag to a 5 gal bucket.

There are a lot of other things like this, where some product is sold in small containers at a huge markup. You might be surprised how many things you use regularly can be bought for basically 2(cost of packaging +cost of manufacturing) if you just buy 50 pounds at a time.

If you ever need to buy chemicals, you can often go through large chemical suppliers. I literally pick up 5 gal at a time of common chemicals for very cheap from a massive chemical company. If you have an LLC it usually just takes a few emails, and a phone call to make sure you aren't a competitor fishing for pricing data.

Also, if you need to use preventative anti icing on a driveway, parking lot or sidewalk, you can just dilute calcium chloride in water and spray it with a garden sprayer. Saves a lot of time chipping away ice after a freezing rain event. DYOR on what types of de icers are safe for pets.

Restaurants will often give away the buckets that their sneed oils come in. If you ask nicely you might be able to accumulate a lifetime supply of buckets over a few months.

>>2822468
*power goes out*
Fuckin' good choice on the AC bud

>>2825442
So that whole decade you pay more to use it instead of bouncing duds off the warranty until one sticks.

>>2826097
>Additionally, let me explain the importance of this stuff. I have an older relative at home who always used to skip turning on the lights on the stairs when going to the upper floor. She once fell and hurt herself, but you know, old people can be very stubborn. Automating those lights can be convenient for us, but for her it's about safety: it can save her life.

The other smart way is never turn them off since the only place needing darkness are sleeping quarters. That will speed exit in case of emergency.

BTW from an old person, don't be afraid to point out we're getting senile because everyone who lives long enough does.

>>2828723
>everyone who lives long enough does.
No they don't. If you have symptoms of it, document them and ask a doctor.

>>2828723
>The other smart way is never turn them off since the only place needing darkness are sleeping quarters. That will speed exit in case of emergency.
That's an option, too. It's more expensive in the long run (not a lot though), and it attracts bugs, but it might be better if you want to keep things simple.
In my case, I already had home automation for other things like the solar divert, so it made sense to use it for this too. The sensors double as alarm sensors too, which is a bonus.

>>2828723
>BTW from an old person, don't be afraid to point out we're getting senile because everyone who lives long enough does.
I don't think she's there yet, but she's too sensitive to talk with her about these subjects. And I agree it's very common, but not as much as "everyone". Believe it or not, I have a granduncle that is 103 years old, and he's pretty sharp. Of course he's far from the average...

>>2829069
> He's 103 yrs old.
He must remember the original Chuck's.
>>2828793
I stay away from 99.95% of doctors because they are clueless. I am currently looking into the peptide Cerebrolysine. I've tried all sorts of 'alternative' cognitive repair methods, at least a few had heavy involvement from the limited number of physicians and scientists who are not completely brainwashed.
>>2827268
Budgetanon speaks the troof. Get it in volume to last you awhile. Yes that means you need room and storage. But what the heck, it's better to have it on-hand than to run to get a consooomer level small quantity every week.

We old people really do want to let you youngins know how to blowing your cash wad optimally. Boomers for the most part never have that kind of responsibility to their own people. Instead they chuck the inheritance to subsaharan africa, or cruises. Whatever, so long as they don't help the next generation who has so little due to their incompetanc

...incompetence, ignorance, malfeasance.

Who was that comedian interviewed on Tucker that ripped on boomers for being extremely materialistic? That was accurate.

Buy it in bulk. Go in with your friends. That's how the first food buying clubs started, that later turned into coops. That were later ripped off by the organic junk food stores Whole Foods and Wild Oats.

There's a big uptrend in making direct purchasing from local ranchers and milk producers. This garbage from MEGA-DAIRY is again, one of those nasty left-overs from the brain-dead boomers.

>>2798853
How do I repair lathe and plaster walls?
What's the mud mix recipe?
1800s.

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Is there a frugal solution to this?

I've been looking into it and I think about the cheapest way you could go about doing your own concrete path/driveway is by buying your own Portland Cement and then ordering trucks of gravel and sand and mixing it all around with water to create concrete. Still, it's going to be super expensive and you might be better off just calling in a concrete service to do it (coming in with a concrete truck that dispenses it)

The only other thing I can possibly think of is if your soil were abundantly rich in clay. If you had some endless supply of clay on your property, you could pave pathways for free. Though I don't know how well it would hold up if you drove a car over it.

>>2798853
>use weather appropriate clothing + an electric blanket in the winter and a fan in the summer
There are very good reasons to keep your rooms heated if you don't just happen to live in a very dry area, Anon.

>>2799377
>Switched my heating from oil to a heat pump. Saves me about $500/yr.
And now long until amortization?

>lath and plaster
The stuff falling out lools gray and has sand and looks like big chunks of horse hair.
I thought you were suppose to distribute the hair in the mixture like fiberglass but this stuff looks like it's still attatched to the horse.
I removed a non-loadbearing wall and there were blocks of the stuff at the bottom of the walls.
Is it something I'll need to hire done or can I do it?

>>2829149
7-8yrs if oil stays the same price. So likely a little sooner

>>2829141
It wouldn't hold up in the rain. Look into cheap cement additives like charcoal.

>>2829141
Large rocks, they anchor into the ground and form a roadbed, like the size of your fist.
Then smaller 1"-2" gravel.
Then a coating of limestone.

AI says there is a 3/4 crushed limestone called 610S. A half inch called 57G. 1/4" is 8G. I thought you could get a mix when you ordered crushed, that was all of the above.

Don't be like the alcoholic neighbor who just puts down gravel (1-2"), then is irritated when either it slips-out under load on an incline (no roadbed rock), or loses its efficacy when it gets swamped by the clay, embedded in it.

You could ask your local county roads division what they use. Likely they have some roads that aren't paved asphalt that they are responsible for.

>>2798853
>most of the world does just fine without AC. use weather appropriate clothing + an electric blanket in the winter and a fan in the summer
This is the absolute biggest one, everything else is borderline meme, except rugs, rugs are nice.
I do not use AC in the summer, my roommate did and he is was a vegetarian for years for ‘climate reasonings’, fair enough, but got off it 8 years later due to stress. I threw it in his face that his AC usage doubled our monthly energy consumption, using in 2 weeks what we typically used in one.
He stopped constantly running his AC and stopped wearing warm clothes. Fucking idiot.

I also keep the house around 60ºF, I used to keep it colder around 55ºF in the winter when I lived alone. My heat and electricity bills were so low that the service providers kept coming to change my meter because they believed it was faulty. My bills were 90% connection fees.

if you buy an old house make sure it's weatherproofed and you aren't leaking heat out of every window with a broken seal
upgrade AC to seer2 16+ and make sure the tonnage is appropriate for your house and not underpowered

I have an idea of how to stay comfortably cool. They make heat pumps that won entirely off of solar. These small mini-splits are designed for only one room, so you have to accept that and have one room where you'll be hanging out most of the time. You can further increase the effectiveness of that one-room cooling by partitioning off your room. If you put up big dividers you can keep that designated area super cold.

>>2829581
I don't see the benefit of having solar only for the mini-split. Just have solar for your whole house (even if you do a smaller installation that doesn't cover 100% your usage). That means you can use it for the mini-split, but also for all other things when the AC isn't running. You have a better ROI this way.

>>2829582
I think my idea makes sense. I hear about people spending $400 a month on their electricity to keep the house cool and a 100% solar driven mini-split solution would basically pay for itself in one summer and then you'd have free cooling for years to come.

>>2829581
I doubt you can get enough solar energy to run a heat pump. Heat pumps require massive electricity.