what are you going to be planting in your garden this year anon?
I want to plant some fruit trees and berry bushes, the nurseries are quite expensive so Im trying to source them cheaper
>>2799852I'm too fucking exhausted to weed and water what I have let alone plant something. Rained like a motherfucker all winder and everything went nuts come spring.
>>2799852I live in Phoenix. The summer hear is no joke and I'm not paying for that water bill.
Heirloom maters. Giving away some of the other plants to my neighbors too. I really wanna start an apple tree and im moving so this might just be the time.
I've got tomatoes, onions, peppers and cucumbers on the go in the polytunnel this year, nothing outside though except for a few potato plants that I'm not to bothered about. Might try some cabbage later. Slugs are fucking up my cucumber plants so it's out every night with the flashlight to try and catch them in the act and thin their numbers
>>2799854try craiglist, fb market>>2799991lay some diatomaceous earth around the stem, this will fuck up anything crawling up the stem
>>2799854Look for rootstocks.
Tomatoes, peppers, okra, cucumbers, squash, beans. Wife got the okra and cucumbers planted a few days ago and the peppers and tomatoes transplanted today...
Hey guys, here’s my corn plant that I’m growing. I’m a first time poster here, and a first time gardener. I’m having issues with it right now and I’m going through the process of testing my soil, but I think the soil PH needs to be lower and it needs nitrogen.I need help lowering the soil PH. It says for potted plants, add 1tbsp of aluminum nitrate per each 4 inches of pot diameter, so that would be 3 tbsps added.It doesn’t say how much that would lower the PH by. I really don’t want to kill this corn. Any suggestions?
>>2800197Sorry, not aluminum nitrate, it’s whatever this stuff is
>>2799852Zucchini squashEggplantBeetsThat's probably all I can fit in my 2'x8' baby raised bed planter. Will also do some Grape 'maters in containers.
>>2799852nothing, I don't have landmakes me want to kmsmy parents had land and a house and squandered it all away, my dad died and now my mom will pay rent the rest of her life when she could be in a much nicer place for a lot less money per month
>>2800197What issues are you having? Most things are light/water/pest related. I'm not convinced pH is as big a deal as people make it to be, especially when using commercial potting soil
>>2800318Well you technically don't need land, although it'd certainly make things easier. You can always go with a garden that's exclusively in pots and planters.
>>2800197what kind of corn? if it's sweet corn then you need more plants for cross pollination, or you get pic related
Has anyone successfully overcome a ground elder infestation? I've got garden beds everywhere I can on my property at the moment and want to expand but I've come to the point where I'm up against huge patches of ground elder. I'm thinking of just picking a few patches and preventing them from seeding and just keep digging them up to keep them in check but over time I'd like them eradicated. Seems like a tall order though.
>>2799852I don’t know yet but I could use some inspiration. Bought a house that came with 500m2 (5k sqft) of yard. It’s mostly empty with some fruit trees. I’m pretty new to outdoor farming but dit some pretty small scale hydroponics indoor. Our climate is too cold for tomatoes I think, everyone grows them indoors, I’m in what the us would call hardiness zone 8. Lots of rain and sometimes wet soil.My current small garden grows rosemary, cucumbers, raspberries and lettuce in summer. I’m looking for some stuff that is easy to grow and doesn’t require too much care (2-3 hours a week for the whole garden would be perfect). I can make raised beds and whatever if needed. Any tips on where to start or what to get? I can only start gardening mid July which is middle of summer for us.
>>2800509Mid July is a bit too late to start most plants except for winter crops like cabbage, turnip, brussel sprouts etc.Best bet is to to use the time to set up your garden for next spring, laying out, making raised beds, starting a compost pile.Also invest in a cheap polytunnel if you can, will extend your growing season, keep the worst of the weather off your plants and makes things a but more manageable with regards weeding and tending the beds
Plant zone 7 or 7a or whatever. What are some fun fruits and veggies to plant that will attract hummingbirds when they flower? Also, is it easy to grow currants/gooseberries? I heard those were a good one but being in the US they're foreign to me.
>>2800575not fruit or veg, but pic related pulls in lots of humming birds and pollinators for me in 7b. Piss easy too, just spead the seeds over dirt and water them in. You can get a carpet of flowers in about 2 months. If you pull the hummingbirds in with that, then they might go for any other flowers available as well from your fruits and veg. Also hummingbird feeders with sugar water work very well too
>>2799852>>>/out/hgm/
Any good books or resources to learn gardening?
>>2801138Check out a local thrift store and flip through the random gardening books there. Often they'll be decent - especially if they look well-worn. Baby boomers that kept a garden that kept going back to the book.
>>2799852I'm bonding with my dad by gardening with him. I tried to sprout a couple of coconuts but they didn't take. I did manage to get lucky with a mango and have this cute baby growing. My dad has a green thumb and this year is growing cucumbers, roma tomato, habanero, chile piquin, serrano, rosemary, and cayenne. If the past 5 years have been any indication, the grapes in our yard might be kind enough to provide us with more fruit. Additionally, the potted lime tree is finally giving limes! They're harder than rocks but they're limes, haha. His skill fascinates me as he managed all this, and peach trees in the past, in the midwest where we have winter for like 5 months at a time. The one plant he can't get to fruit is the fig tree. But at least they give us TONS of leaves for tea.
Hey garden lads, Got a question that doesn't explicitly fit here but I don't think there's a better thread for it.I'm moving to the front range of Colorado in the late fall and I'm planning to find a place with a yard (inb4 fuck off we're full, I used to live there for years and I'm moving back). it'll be too late in the year to lay sod, but I can prep for a spring planting. My idea is to get biochar going, about 10% of the total soil volume for six inches deep. Get the biochar in some drums and put them out in the shed, feeding compostable material over the winter and early spring while stirring every once in a while. While this is going, I plan to remove soil in the yard down to about eight inches below where I want it to be when finished and level the yard. maybe a month before the time for putting down sod, get enough good soil to layer six inches deep across the yard and mix with the biochar and add some fertilizer. Then layer, top to bottom:- Kentucky bluegrass sod- Soil/biochar/fertilizer mix (6 inches)- Hay (1-2 inches)- Gopher wireIs there anything I'm missing or getting wrong here? I was thinking about getting a bunch of earthworms and letting them loose right before putting the sod down, but I don't know if that's the best way to go about it.If this works, I'd like to do the same with some raised beds for vegetable growing. That is going to depend on total yard space, though.Any input or criticism is appreciated.pic unrelated
Nothing. Its not worth taking care of some plants for months just to get a very shitty salad once.
Anybody experience with tobacco?In 2022 I planted a virgiania strain. Harvested them green, let them dry under the roof of my terrace, they were more or less dark brown. Afterwards I remoistened them, layed the leaves over another, rolled them up and put this tobaco-sausage in a Jar. Afterwards I used a "canning automat" like pic related and fermented at 140°F for a couple of weeks. Afterwars I was greeted with aromatic smelling, fermented tobacco leaves and rolled up a couple cigars.2023 I planted a strain that was more suited to the use in cigars. I harvested green, like it is supposed to be for cigars. Due to the weather I had to dry them inside my house and they, for the most part, stayed green. AFAIK they should turn brown after fermentation.But I am fermenting them for months now and they are still for the most part green and in no way "finished".Anybody ideas what I should do?
>>2801790I planted some Virginia for the first time. Wish me luck anons.
Pic related so far. I like to keep everything sparse and neat because I hate weeding and I'm just doing this as a hobby, it's a pleasant bonus if I actually eat any of it. My overall goal is the same as every year: maybe make some peach salsa.
>>2800442nta but wtf is happening here?
>>2801872Beautiful. I'm jealous
>>2801887retard corn
>>2801894I really can't imagine why someone would grow one corn plant. Might as well do something better like a tomato.
Two beds about 50x100. First time going this big. Also have a smaller 30x30 plot closer to the house that my wife tends to
>>2802051Forgot pic
>>2802051>>2802052Phone posting pleb
>>2801887the corn in that picture was not properly pollinated. When corn grows, it needs pollen from different corn plants to fall onto each one of the hairs, called silks. The silks that get pollinated turn into kernels and the silks detach, and the ones that don't get pollinated will not develop at allhttps://ipm.missouri.edu/cropPest/2012/7/corn-pollination-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-pt-3/
>>2799991Like anon said, diatomaceous earth.My grandma used coffee grounds in the leaf composter and then spread it around plants, slugs hated it and were never a problem (as I remember it).One friend also used kitty litter to good effect, apparently powdered silica gel is a lot more effective in killing all sorts of carapaced insects vs. the more expensive diatomaceous earth.Remember to wear protection when dealing with either, you don't want that stuff anywhere near your lungs.
>>2801872I love neat gardens like that.
>>2799852>what are you going to be plantingBeans. That's it.I already planted cabbages, tomatoes, pumpkins, zuchini, melons, strawberries and cucumbers, though.
>>2799852Im finishing up my garden setup. Just spent the weekend digging out bush root clusters and shit then throwing compost on top and tilling it in. I need a garden planner where I can figure out what to plant with the space available. Is there a free online or software version or should I just break out the pen and paper?
>>2801872What should I mulch my blueberry pots with. Will just plain wood chips fuck them up PH wise? I got the right ph soil and used rain water to water them.
Why aren't "food insecure" people who have backyards growing potatoes? This is a legitimate question, I'm genuinely curious. >they're dumb niggers who can't do anything rightok so there aren't ANY social programs out there trying to teach people? these fucking food banks put so much effort into feeding the hungry but they aren't even trying to help people learn to grow their own food? Am I missing something?
>>2802188>"food insecure"In america you hear a lot of unbelievable stats about hunger. I once heard on NPR that 1 of 4 people in my state were not getting enough to eat, which would be hundreds of thousands of starving people. Fuck, go to walmart and count the hippos, then find me ONE starving person in america who is not mentally ill or whatever.NPR has some smart people and some decent shows, but it is also chock full of people with an agenda who live in an alternate reality.
>>2802188No one is actually food insecure. We give out so many benefits it's unbelievable, everyone here is fat, you can't have "1 in 4 children skipping meals" and also be 80% obese. The reality of the world is that a LOT of people who frequent food banks and get SNAP are chronic system users. They won't grow anything in a garden because that's work. If they do work, they come home and smoke pot and vegetate while leeching the system. Plenty of people do really need SNAP and they help plenty of people, but a solid 40% of people on benefits are there by choice and coast through life in a chemical stupor whether that's alcohol or pot. They will shit out 3 kids, and basically live on a fixed income of benefits supplemented by selling drugs or leeching off family members, while living and buying food, using food banks, and never having to pay for a thing. Another huge group of users are boomers who are retired but never "made it" Living on 50k worth of pension and social security but still qualifying for food stamps and using them. There are so many programs specifically to funnel tax money to boomers so they can live for cheap and get food for free it's insane. t. volunteer at a food bank for the last 10 years. This isn't a hidden fact, if you talk to these people they will just tell you how they do it, why they do it.
>>2800318Hey, I have around 20 plants in the ground on my balcony. Not much but it's still fun.
>>2802188>Why aren't "food insecure" people who have backyards growing potatoes?poor people are poor for a reason. you think they are going to make a garden in the ghetto? people are poor because they are:lazybuy shit they don't needlazyuneducatedlazyand alsolazy
>>2802193>find me ONE starving person in americathe only people in America that would possibly be starving are the children of irresponsible people. never once have I seen an actual skinny starving person who was starving because they had no money or food.I have seen a chick in high school who looked like a skeleton and had anorexia, but she chose to starve.every single poor person I have ever seen in my whole life has either been of normal build or ridiculously fat.
>>2800197you won't get any corn if you don't have second plant to pollinate the first one.
>>2802204can confirm, except for the pot thing my mother was a master of getting free shit from the government. one year the state sponsored her house to get repaired. you had to meet certain criteria, and so she lied about her family members and told me I could not come over because she said she had no adult children.fucking governor painted her bathroom. they fixed the roof, and painted the outside of the house and other things.they painted the outside of the house with indoor paint.
>>2802316>you think they are going to make a garden in the ghetto?yeahwhenever they can get permission to use space there's usually a community gardensometimes there are even guerilla gardens in private but otherwise abandoned lots
>>2802366>picDamn. That looks really good and well organized.
>>2802619Gardening is a simple and relaxing thing to do so I'm not surprised that the community ghetto gardens get so popular.
>>2799891Cardboard and mulch, tarpaulins, cover crops.do you even farm my breh
>>2802812poor people don't want to get a job but they'll linger around anything happening in the area as if they were paid security
My wife claims she wants to plant things in our yard, I have a bag of old potatoes that started sprouting so I'm starting with those, but we have a bad rabbit problem. Where can I find cheap growing pots/raised bed materials because I don't want to be out a bunch of money when she eventually loses interest.
>>2803212>I don't want to be out a bunch of money when she eventually loses interest.Don't build raised beds then, just turn over the grass and put a few bags of compost on top and go.
>>2803212>Where can I find cheap growing pots/raised bed materials because I don't want to be out a bunch of money when she eventually loses interest.If you decide to disregard >>2803216's advice, consider finding a thrift store and thinking outside the box. A table with some plastic tubs or totes would be entirely suitable. Also consider asking someone with tires in their yard if you can take some. She can even paint them.
>>2802931Sounds like a lot of fucking work I don't have the energy for.
Here’s the layout excuse the chicken scratch child spelling.
Are rooting hormones a scam? I tried propagating my monstera deliciosa a few months ago by making a few cuttings and dipping the ends into rooting powder then placing the cuttings into water, but instead of seeing new roots form, the cuttings just slowly rotted away. I've read somewhere that rubbing along the nodes is preferable to powdering the ends. should I give this method a try?
>>2803212Grow bags off of Amazon and the cheapest potting soil you can find. >>2803252 This is too much work. >>2803216 This wont stop rabbits.
>>2799852What combination of vegetables would be the most efficient for providing vitamins and minerals, while having enough space to grow enough of each type to make it worthwhile?
>>2803318>Arkkek
>>2803542>A table with some plastic tubs or totes would be entirely suitable.>This is too much work.Not trying to be hostile, but can you explain why? It's just buying something at a store for maybe 20 bucks and filling it with dirt.
I just have 2 stock tanks and some.pots this year. Currently have 3 types of tomatoes, radishes, red and russet potatoes, Thai and Calabrian peppers, and sweet peppers.
>>2800575>is it easy to grow currants/gooseberries?Yes. Very easy. They grow themselves. The only problem is birds.
Is it really worth learning to grow? Because it seems like it takes multiple seasons and lots of care to grow, whereas I could invest that time into working overtime at a job and then buy more than I could grow at better quality for less time
>>2801872get some mulch in there
>>2800197you don't need to lower PH for corn, who told you that? unless you're trying to grow it in lye or something>>2800199I use this on my lingonberries. It works but it takes months to take full effect, you're supposed to acidify the soil before you plant
>>2806315You can save money if you know what you're doing but most people don't. Main thing is knowing what you actually need to buy and not buying all the unnecessary stuff. It's certainly not hard to break even if you go barebones.For most people it is a hobby but it's a productive hobby that gives you food and exercise and enjoyment, not like funko pop collecting. Consider: if you work all that overtime would you actually make it to the farmers market to buy equivalent quality food, or would you be too tired and just sit in front of the TV eating burger king?
>>2806315Depends. Some people grow things like carrots and potatoes because they want to, but those things are so cheap in the grocery stores. I personally grow high-value crops that would be expensive to purchase like tomato, kale, currants, cherries, etc. Herbs are easily worth the money, garlic is easily worth it because everything the grocer is from china, hot peppers are easily worth it. Also, you're coming at this from a false premise. Growing shit is easy; If you'd believe it, there's nothing plants want to do more than grow! The biggest tasks are weeding, and that's only a problem if you're a dope and don't mulch. If you really want to spend as little time as possible, you can probably get away with less than 2 hours a week for more vegetables than you can eat in a small garden. No one just gardens for economics though, it's a hobby. It gets you outside. Touch grass.
>>2807098>growing shit is easyI always thought of it as extremely complicated as you need to time the seasons or have a greenhouse and take special care of them. I also don't know how to preserve food when it's out of season either
My country has such a massive snail problem it’s not funny anymore. They chewed through about a kilogram of strawberries while I was away>>2803318What do you need so much oregano for? Also I’m curious how this translates to your garden, do you really have a 9x5 grid of garden beds or?
>>2800197Corn needs to be grown in groups/clusters or it won't produce any seeds.
>>2807498You can buy corn seeds for practically nothing, so one plant will produce plenty of corn for eating.
>>2804555Anon's garden also happens to be the warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark
>>2802188>>2802204the system wants you to be dependent upon it. it does not want you to escape from it. people growing their own food is white supremacism and dangerous for our democracy. every year the corpos try to sneak in laws to literally outlaw gardening.people are lazy, this is true, but at the same time society actively discourages you from being not-lazy on purpose.you cant just 'lol plant potatoe' and expect to get meaningful crop. You need propper soil, drainage, fertilizer, access to water, ect. You need a away to keep rodents and pests away. You need a way to keep local wild life out of your garden area. You need to make sure local toxins arent leaching into your potato patch.>but thirdies dontand they live short, miserable lives from self inflicted wounds. You think the fat epidemic is bad, wasting tax money on healthcare, just imagine what would happen if these same people all came down with cancers because they lived their lives growing potatoes in plastic buckets using water from their poisoned roofs or something retarded.Ive tried to make myself food secure, and its a struggle. Ive tried every trick in the book but all it takes is a little bit of negligence and you lose months if not years of effort if you arent in the best climate. Tropical enjoyers can grow things all year round, but temperate zones requires you to have planning and foresight or expensive indoor/greenhouse setups. It can cost a lot of money to transform dirt into soil, which is why agricultural land has value in the first place.You try to grow shit in the ghetto by yourself and some YOUTH or homeless person will straight up steal your shit. You leave it alone in a rural area and a wild animal will do the same. The older generation was obessed with fences for a reason. You cant just place delicious stuff in the ground and expect it to be left alone and with all manufacturing done in some forign country, fencing is no longer cheap.
Hey I just wanna say I finished my garden. I have it fenced in with hardware cloth because we have deer, foxes, rabbits, groundhogs, and God knows what else out here on my little acre hill. Here's what's in the 4 X 16 garden (two beds) in order: strawberries, broccoli, green beans, carrots, cucumbers, sweet peppers, hot peppers, canteloupe, and watermelon. I have some tomatoes and zucchini in pots, and a few herbs. I want a blueberry bush. If you have feedback lemme know.
>>2802193>once heard on NPR that 1 of 4 people in my state were not getting enough to eatWhat they probably meant was that they're eating pop-tarts and ramen instead of vegetables and eggs and other real food. Food deserts still have food, they just don't have grocery stores with refrigerated and fresh food because somebody kept stealing from them or burning them down.I completely believe that at least a quarter of Americans in most states have malnutrition because they eat trash.>>2799852Lots of crap already. Rabbits got to all of my strawberries, the bastards. They dug under the fence. Getting plenty of tomatoes but the deer go to the cucumbers. I sometimes want to take a rifle and start executing the critters around here, but the HOA might object.Here's some stuff I harvested in early March. Radishes are good eating.
>>2808076Those are some good pairings and companion plantings. Good job!
>>2807137I got a dozen for free at the end of the year last year and put it in the end of the herb garden in July. I covered it with leaves and it never really died off so now it’s massive. 9x5 is a bit of an exaggeration but yeah that’s basically the backyard. Each bed is 3ftx10ft but the herb garden beds are 3ftx5ft with an 18 inch path between beds. 9 beds on the north row, next row is 6 beds and a 6x10 chicken ark, 5 beds in the middle and the chicken coop, 9 beds next, and then a 8x8 hoop house a pile of crap and 5 beds but I could clean out behind and make another if needed. So 35 potential 3x10ft beds but only 27 are in active use. The rest are a semi permanent greenhouse, a chicken coop and tractor, and some junk I need to clean up. The side garden is 14 5x3ft beds of herbs and they’re all going minus my dill which is also getting buttfucked by snails. >half my oreganoIt looks bigger on paper but I am maxing my space.
>>2808836This is last year I don’t have anything current.
>>2808839I lied here’s one of the squash beds.
What herbs could I grow in the North of the uk any all year round that would take well. Also have made a small rasied bed anything I could start this time of the year
>>2808876Rosemary, oregano, thyme, bay, sage, and various mints should be fine if you get a straw bale or two and cover them in the fall.
>>2799991>>2802188>>2802316>>2803212>>2805102>>2807098>>2807811
>>2803475>scamkinda, just use aloe>>2804553potatoes are one of the best foods you can grow, kale
i harvested some seeds from my tobasco pepper plant. Can i sprout them for the garden or is it not advised (because it is a hybrid or something) and I should get tobasco pepper seeds
>>2799905Cacti make fruits too you gay ass retard. Seriously tho look into indigenous, native plants. Lots of amazing stuff to plant in the desert. Amazing biome
>>2800575If you're in ohio, plant cardinal flowers. Look up local wildflower lists to see which feed hummingbirds - they will show. Currants and gooseberries are borderline invasive in the US - are there other native plants that maybe you find good to try?
>>2801745I have an earnest answer, thank you for your earnest plan. Look for a native grass species, and replant your yard with that. You'll see 100x as many native critters subsisting from it. Worms are technically invasive in most of US (introduced from Europe and Asia), but in pragmatic terms, they don't actually help grass eat per se - they actually will compete with the grass for nutrients. No complaints to lodge with garden plan otherwise - just throw compost on top of cardboard in a raised bed and your veggies should fruit just fine. Best of luck man
>>2801872I dig it. Where is south? Peach tree may take most sunlight that pumpkin has, making for an underharvest of pumpkin. Have you thought about planting harvestable shade crops or flowers? Could be worth a try. Looks otherwise very beautiful however.
>drop 500 plus on seeds. >get a fuck huge 70 gal aquarium>get soil blocker>get those deep tree seedling start pots>get coconut choir, vermicultie, perlite, lump charcoal, worm castings, blood meal and bone meal to make my own soil mix>dog eats soil mixed with blood meal and leaves soupy piles of shit on the kitchen floor the next day. >fucking squirrels digging up my white oak seeds>chestnut seeds sprout, fucking squirrels start chewing the saplings>forgot to get a heating mat for germination chamber aquarium. >partally lay cardboard and chip over garden , just going to cover it with cardboard, paperbags, and straw and let it go >ended up broadcasting a bunch of seed >flax is the only thing that seems to be doing well>loosing motivation to garden>look to next year and get ready for fall sowing for next spring. >only going to use sand to germinate tree seeds>i fucking hate squirrels now. i heard about garden planners which automate build a gardening schedule for you based on various factors.
>>2808598Thank you anon!
Super market tomatoes suck giant fat cock. How expensive would be to build a greenhouse capable of growing tomatoes year round?
>>2799854just grow them yourself from seeds
>>2799852Indoor Garden: tomatoes, bell peppers, apple seedlings, cauliflower, broccoli, spinach, kale, carrots, pumpkins, some type of melon, chardoutdoor crates: Potatoes, tomatoes, strawberries, garlicoutdoor flowerbed: garlic, Scallion, other onion types i don't know the name of
>>2799852Any idea why this is happening to my mango plant leaves? and how to solve it?The leaves are turning dark and crusty, also new growth is going dark.The top image has a healthy one in the middle for comparison. Also the white dust is some fungicide I had laying around, it didn't help.
>>2809068why do you need a greenhouse? they grow like weeds, just put some outside
>>2809327depends on climate. i put some outside and they got annihilated by the night being a little chilly
>>2809327>why do you need a greenhouse?>year round
>>2808951Hey, I appreciate the response! Good to know on the earthworms, I'll drop that. Part of my hope is that the bonechar and some diatomaceous earth mixed in will help with water retention, what with how the front range gets really dry sometimes.
In raised beds: tomatoes, tomatillos, cucumbers, pole beans, potatoes, peas, strawberries, onions, shallots, garlic, spinach, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, carrots, parsnips, lettuce, arugula, raspberries, loganberries, currants, goji berries, jostaberry, grapes, gooseberry.In tiny plastic greenhouse: peppers and eggplantsIn pots: all the herbsIn dug rows: apples, blueberries, lingonberies, huckleberries, Saskatoon berries, haskapAlso have some wild cherry trees, but they are too high to get much fruit out of without a large ladder. Blackberry is invasive around here and the bane of my existence. Had some figs and kiwis as well, but the winter killed the ones I had in the ground from the surface up, so had to pull those into pots and will bring the survivors inside next winter.It was a cold and wet May and it fucked up all my okra too. I have failed to grow okra outdoors for years now, I guess it just hates my climate (PNW).
>>2801745Eastern Colorado bro here. Seems like a lot of work to just lay sod over it and have grass... Might be worth it for a garden though.
>>2801790You inspire me. I'm trying to get a gigantic survivalist garden that can support me help me get baked and trip off shroomies, nice ergotamine if I can befriend some college chem wizards. Tumeric, ginger things that kill cancer. Wheat damn whatever really. And then the big ticket is making a money off these. It's the whole point of capitalism, if you can't grow the best Sour Diesel or Afghan Gold in the world and make profit then what's the point of the land of milk and honey. The land of the free.
>>2802204Dude I live in an apartment complex. I would love to plant something but someone's going to fuck with it, the apartment complex owners are gonna bitch, or dogs are going to fuck it up.I work as a software developer for a bank. I'm not a lazy asshole or anything. I wouldn't mind gardening if viable land wasn't so fucking expensive. As it stands, I don't make enough to put away for any kind of savings. Some shit always comes up to eat my savings and its usually the IRS fucking me over with their Jewish shenanigans or my car needing work. Don't get me started on how shitty it is to be a car owner. People have romanticized owning a vehicle but its just a fucking money pit. They don't retain value and mechanics are compulsive liars.At this point, I smoke weed because life in the US sucks. Its not like when we were kids. My parents had a big ass backyard and they made enough money that my dad was able to work doing handyman shit. We can never have that shit because everyone in the country is a fucking idiot.You have the corporate cock swallowers screaming at people to "get a job" and "why don't you just walk in the door with a resume in hand". Well the job is going to be given to a Hindu who just moved here a few months ago rather than an American citizen who needs it. And the libs scream about helping people while the country gets taken over. The so-called conservatives are too stupid to stop aggrandizing the state. Its a complete fucking nightmare.I would absolutely love to use technology 75% less than I do and go live somewhere in the woods. I would love to only have to pay the taxes on my land and live a semi-agrarian lifestyle but the economy has made that dream impossible. So I've given up on pursuing it. I hate this world. I hate what this country has become. I hate the faggots. I hate the Indians with their fucking caste system and fucked up street-shitting culture. Its all done for, dude.
I FUCKED UP and planted Squash and cucumber next to each other. The Squash is already on a fucking roll, the Cucumber just started producing some flowers. Do I just put a tomato cage around the cucumber or should I transfer it to another it to another bed with a bigger cage? Is it too late to transplant it?
How important is sheet mulching? I am setting up a garden area for next year. I have a lot of organics, (read weeds, grasses, blackberry) that are going to end up worked into the soil and I don’t want them coming back. My problem is that the garden area is huge, (6000sqft), and I don’t know if I can gather that much cardboard. I am going to cover the entire area in black plastic for about 8 months to allow all of the organics to compost. Do I need to lay down cardboard and bring in an asston of topsoil to cover it before putting down plastic, or can I just cover everything and call it good?
found this somewhere
>>2810938As long as the plastic is totally opaque you're fine without cardboard or soil. Cover and let it die.
>>2810988That is what I wanted to hear. I was dreading that task.
>>2799852I want to make a pot of only 4 leaf clovers. Is there a way to transplant the 4 leaf clovers i randomly find in 1 pot and they start propagating on their own? Am noob at this obviously.
>be me>getting first apartment that has a balcony rather than roof access I am retarded. What herbs grow best in a planter on a typical apartment balcony? I intend to grow mint since I've managed to get buy growing it in a window sill, and 20-30 year old white women in my city seem to think a mojito is some cutting edge foreign cocktail and slicing a lime on my etsy cutting board and "slapping" fresh mint does half the work for me, but I'd like to grow more since I'll have a south facing balcony
>>2811689No. 4 leaf clovers are a mutation they wont' propagate.
>>2811699>What herbs grow best in a planter on a typical apartment balcony?Literally all of them.
>>2811783Wrong. The mutation will propagate if given care and incentive.
>>2811868>what the fuck do I know
>>2811887I haven't eaten grocery store tomatoes in many years, but back in the day they were comically awful. Imagine a ball of fiber and water. On the other hand, home grown tomatoes are one of the gifts of nature when it comes to flavor. Not to mention that successful farming or gardening is fun. So take your stupid meme and make a sandwich out of it; you'll get about as much taste as you get from a grocery store tomato (at least the shit I used to buy)>
>>2811887grocery store tomatoes are shit.
>>2811887>$2.17Maybe in the 90's, everything is fuckall expensive now.Also REAL tomatoes from a garden taste better because they weren't plucked while green and gassed.
>>2811924Fact
>>2811887I planted a cherry tomato plant 3 years ago, it grew so well that even I, an avid raw tomato enjoyer couldn't finish them all. I dumped them back into the garden to compost and it's going on year 4 of endless tomatos, all I do anymore is throw some water onto them.
>>2803475No idea if you're still ITT, but you can put pothos or salix (willows) cuttings in water with your cuttings instead of rooting hormone. Both produce auxin, and rooting hormone is a specific auxin. That said, a jar of rooting hormone can last you a very long time.
>>2799852Whats your favorite gardening armor to wear incase of zombie invasion?I am partial to leather armor as its light and practical and will stop even the toughest of bites
>>2799852This
>>2810626cucumbers don't really like to be moved - even moving the vines piss them off. if it is flowering it is too late. you can maybe train the vines of both a bit so they each get some sun. trimming a leaf here or there wont hurt either.
I'm not growing any this year, but I have previously grown tobacco and the hummingbirds absolutely loved it. It was a lot of fun.
Excited to try Rosella/Roselle/Jamaican sorrel for the first time. Apparently the jam is a delicacy. It's currently winter, setting up the bed for it now. That is if these little shits don't eat everything. If air guns were legal I'd get some night vision goggles and stake out the roof over night. They eat absolutely everything. I hand pollinated dozens of passionfruit flowers by hand and got more than a dozen fruits set, first time that vine has had fruit ever. I've enjoyed eating 2 total and now there's none left on the vine. Potatoes? They completely denuded the plants of every leaf and left green twigs poking from the ground.
>>2812550>not being able to exterminate vermin because of (((their))) ruleshonk honk
>>2801872Shit's growin yo. So far I've mostly fed the birds blueberries until the whole block is covered in purple shit, but that's ok.
>>2812564I've tried every other solution under the sun, they're just too smart. I have spent weeks training them to freely walk through the trap wired open with free food. Then one night set it for real. If they set one off and escape (they frequently do) then they never go near the trap ever again, might as well throw it in the bin. Have got a few with poison but never all of them, the big alpha mother that keeps breeding has never been caught so its all ultimately pointless. I'm trying a new method recently with baking soda mixed with PB and so far they have taken the bait, going to work on that idea. Fucking pisses me off that they're living under the neighbors concrete slab and I can't do anything about it.
>>2802204This, food insecurity is the biggest meme in the worldIf you want any kind of monetary or housing or medical assistance you can get fucked and kill yourself, but if you want free food in this country there are literally dozens of different options in every single city
the flower side of my garden is chugging along, sunflowers in the raised beds (to keep rabbits from clearcutting them) and wildflower seed mix in frontit's too big to fit in one picture but the vegetable side is doing well too, i picked two big zucchini and yellow squashtomatoes are still green and small but they'll get there
>>2812620dang that's a lot of sunflowers
>>2799852wrong board idiot
>>2799852correct board smartypants
>>>/out/hgmIs the dedicated gardening thread on 4chan but I still argue it belongs on /diy/ as well
>>2808076An update on my fenced in garden. Watermelon vines are about 6 ft long now. Broccoli and bush beans are huge but no fruit yet. Strawberries coming. Pulling a huge cucumber off today. Tomatoes and peppers starting to show. Nothing has gotten in. I’ve had to use thick wire to tighten the fence because it’s hard to get it real straight and tight especially around corners with t posts. And I fortified the entrance with an extra eye hook.
>>2799852My ground is mainly clay and it's already June.. can I still plant?
>>2814185What zone are you in? If nothing else you can get a fall crop of cool season vegetables. I'd recommend amending your soil with compost and biochar to improve the tilth.
>>2814185radishes.
-Fuck ton of different types of paprika-tomatoes (cherry and regular size, black tomatoes and some other types, got a couple plants as gift)-watermelon & melons-squash-zucchini-onions-raddishGot some more seeds but not sure if I'll save them for next year or not
Boutta get my first cherries
>>2814185Bit late to plant pumpkins but I'm sure you could do something
>>2812586Those dwarf peas? Trellises look a little short. Asking because I have some dwarf pea seeds myself, and the one's I used this spring were larger 6+ft sugar snaps. Going to try the dwarf ones for the second grow. You get good yields on them?Few questions I have for anyone willing to answer.>Composting sod yay or nay? I am currently, but wasn't sure besides patching the yard if sod had other good uses not obvious to me. Or any tips on composting them in general?>What vegetables/fruits do well in planters/containers typically? Specifically 5 gal buckets, and 3-5 gallon planters. I have some 7 gallon planters as well, but wasn't sure which plants prefer a seedling transplant into a planter versus direct ground sow.>How often do you fertilize? So far we're doing biweekly for our plants with a 10-10-10 liquid spray. (Zucchinis, potatos, melons, peppers etc) is other variants of fertilizer preffered when flowering sets in such as a 5-10-5? Thoughts?>How often do you turn/mix your compost? If you don't at all, why not, and how are you composting in general?>What are some good ways to convert ground garden soil to container soil? What mix ins are best? Some wood chips? Otherwise the soil turns into a mud brick in the planter.>What are some good fruit trees you can grow in larger planters in a colder climate? 5a specifically.>Cucumber beetles are on the attack. So far we're using neem oil, and now some bonide anti pest/fungal spray. Results are mediocre. Is DE the best way to kill these pests?>Is there any case in which pellet versus liquid fertilizer is preferable? Or are they interchangable? Obviously pellets can be handy for indoor plants versus spraying around, but wasn't sure if other scenarios existed.
>>2815977>Composting sod yay or nay?Do it.>Or any tips on composting them in general?You should figure out what works for you. I recommend the Berkeley method, sheet composting, and vermicomposting. Lump charcoal is a great addition to compost piles.>What vegetables/fruits do well in planters/containers typically?You can look up container varieties and cultivars. As long as you have a big enough container you can grow anything. Cash machine zucchini is a good cultivar. You can try peppers, strawberries, potatoes, alliums, and anything that is pretty small.>How often do you fertilize? I fertilize when I see that my plants are deficient in some nutrient or whenever I finish a batch of compost or shovel out my chicken coop. Compost or manure tea is my fertilizer of choice.>How often do you turn/mix your compost?When I had my compost pile I'd turn it every 2-3 days.>If you don't at all, why not, and how are you composting in general?I've moved to a combination of sheet composting, vermicomposting, and feeding my compost to the chickens. >What are some good fruit trees you can grow in larger planters in a colder climate? 5a specifically.Probably most of themhttps://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/04/fruit-trenches-cultivating-subtropical-plants-in-freezing-temperatures/>What are some good ways to convert ground garden soil to container soil? What mix ins are best? Some wood chips? Otherwise the soil turns into a mud brick in the planter.Depends on what texture you're looking for. Coconut coir, biochar, and compost are great additions to clayey soil that will help to keep it loose. If you're using crushed lump charcoal or uncharged biochar then mix it with the compost and soak it for about a week before you mix the rest of the soil together.
>>2815977>>2816019>Cucumber beetles are on the attack. So far we're using neem oil, and now some bonide anti pest/fungal spray. Results are mediocre. Is DE the best way to kill these pests?I try to avoid using diatomaceous earth because it's a non-renewable resource. I'd recommend using a thick straw mulch to provide shelter for predators, intercropping, trap cropping, or chop up and soak recommended intercrops and spray it over your cucumbers. This link has some good information.https://eorganic.org/node/5307>>Is there any case in which pellet versus liquid fertilizer is preferable? Or are they interchangable? Obviously pellets can be handy for indoor plants versus spraying around, but wasn't sure if other scenarios existed.Depends on the fertilizer. Pellets can contain organic matter which can replace organic matter lost in your soil. Pellets can also be slow release which prevents burning and provides nutrients throughout the season which can be beneficial for lawns. In general organic fertilizers are better than synthetic fertilizers and they're better still if they contain organic matter.
>>2816019>Do itGreat. We also let it dry out root side up before tossing into our pile to discourage grass/weed growth. And place it upside down in our pile. Speaking of.>Sheet mulching.That's what we're doing. At least based on what I just read. A big long rectangle of sod, vegetable scraps, paper/cardboard shreads, and other stuff. There's a ton of worms due to the sod we've been adding from our dug out plots. I'm not sure if that is technically vermiculture at that point, or if you're technically supposed to introduce special worms or not. I assume the normal local ground worms are perfect?>CultivarsI'll add that to my vocab, and look up some varieties for my zone. I was hoping to keep it to 3-5 gallon containers to maximize my grow space by using my deck. So far I have 5 gallon containors for some herbs I want to use, but I had more space, nd was thinking about branching out to fruits/veggies.. I may stick to herbs though and simply expand my variety..>FertilizeAh, is acting reactively best with nutrients then? When considering malnutrition versus over abundance? I know some signs of nutrient deficiency, and try to be smart, and add coffee grounds etc to help supplement. But I wasn't sure if it was best to be more generous on fertilizer, or less is more type of thing.>Compost turningIs there any detriment in not turning your sheet pile if time is not really an issue? From what I remember reading the act of turning was simply to speed up the breakdown of the matter, but I'm honestly not in a rush for good compost as crazy as that sounds? That, and our pile is pretty large, and growing due to plot digging. Our soil is pretty great, and this is our first year. That, and we have plenty of access to manure nearby. Thoughts?>BiocharI didn't know what that was until now honestly. Is it as simple as burning brush, weeds, and other plant/wood matter found in nature? Or is their a trick to cultivating biochar, and how you burn the matter?
>>2816021>Straw mulchI'll use that next time as our plants are nearly ready to produce. I may get a delivery of it, and use it for our potatoes as well. We have a good amount of frogs, and birds in our homestead. I may try to plant, or find other ways to entice them to be near our cucumbers/zucchinis in the future.One more question, two parter. I was looking into getting a wood chipper. We have a forest, and want to be able to chip felled trees, and other logs found throughout. I know wood chips can make a good mulch, but what about thicker cardboard? Can you "wood" chip those ULine style thick cardboard sheets, and make a halfway decent mulch? I plan on saving garbage bags of leaves for next year, and hanging them up to dry out, but was wondering how viable that would be if you happened to have knowledge on wood chippers/cardboard chip mulch. Or diy mulch in general.
>>2816045>I'm not sure if that is technically vermiculture at that point, or if you're technically supposed to introduce special worms or not.Yeah, it technically is.>I assume the normal local ground worms are perfect?For your purposes they are, but typically vermicomposting is done for the purpose of collecting vermicompost. For that you need epigeic worms that live in the top couple feet of soil. Endogeic and anecic worms build tunnels and take food into it which is great for your soil, but it makes their castings pretty inaccessible.>I'll add that to my vocab, and look up some varieties for my zone.It's a magical word that opens up a lot of really crazy plant options.>I may stick to herbs though and simply expand my variety..That's not a bad way to start out. Many herbs improve the flavors of other herbs they're planted next to. 5 gallon buckets are probably overkill for most herbs though. Beans and other legumes are good crops that are small enough for containers. Tomatoes would be another good crop to look into. There's a cultivar called sub arctic plenty that grows quickly and is suitable for a container. You don't even need a trellis. If you order the seeds now you can probably get some tomatoes before the frosts come in. Keep your grocery receipts and see what vegetables you're spending the most money on and try growing those. Intercropping recommendations are also a great way to branch out into new crops.
>>2816048>>2816073>Ah, is acting reactively best with nutrients then? When considering malnutrition versus over abundance?This is dependent on the crop and often debated. Certain crops, like corn and leafy greens, yield better with more nitrogen, but if you're using organic fertilizers then typically you'll end up over applying other nutrients. Applying it reactively will reduce your yields, but it can reduce fertilizer runoff. You can also add fertilizer to your soil at the same time you're adding in your crop. You'll have to estimate the nutrients in your fertilizer and know the fertilizer requirements of your plants. You can look up "fertilizer recommendations by crop" to find PDFs with several pages of recommendations. You can also do your own soil test with beans and cabbage. I can give you details if you want.>Is there any detriment in not turning your sheet pile if time is not really an issue? You don't need to turn when you sheet compost. The worms do all the work. Just hide your bits under the straw and call it good.>That, and we have plenty of access to manure nearby. Thoughts?Dry some out and keep it on hand to make manure tea to feed to heavy nitrogen feeders throughout the season. You should make sure that you're rotating the crops you grow in your pots. You can also mix it with crushed lump charcoal and soak it with water for about a week to make a slow release fertilizer that shouldn't burn your plants. If you have issues with burning then mix in more charcoal.
>>2816073>>2816074>Is it as simple as burning brush, weeds, and other plant/wood matter found in nature? Or is their a trick to cultivating biochar, and how you burn the matter?It's formed by burning in the absence of oxygen which is called pyrolysis. Higher temperatures make better quality biochar. Look up how to make charcoal with a barrel. It's the best method I know of to produce it yourself. Raw charcoal is considered "uncharged" and can suck most of nutrients out of your soil so generally you want to "charge" it with nutrients and beneficial microbes before you apply it to soil. You can do that a number of ways and I can give you more details if you want.>>2816048>I know wood chips can make a good mulch, but what about thicker cardboard? Can you "wood" chip those ULine style thick cardboard sheets, and make a halfway decent mulch?Cardboard and paper kill chippers really quickly. I usually use cardboard to smother grasses or tear it up and compost it. Whatever you do, make sure you pull off all the hot glue and the stickers and don't use any glossy cardboard to minimize the amount of microplastics you're putting in your soil.
>>2816073>Many herbs improve the flavors of other herbs they're planted next to.I'll have to look through my companion planter book for more suggestions. I know of tomato/basil off the top since they work together in cooking so well they help each other out. The 5 gallon planters are a little much, but they've come around. Our dill was really happy. I plan on drying, and storing excess herbs/spices, and maybe even selling/gifting some. Plus I enjoy having the spices right outside of the kitchen on our deck for easy access.>>2816074>This is dependent on the crop and often debatedI'll cut back on my feeding schedule for now, and treat it more like how I treat watering. Reactionary. Wait until soil is dry first knuckle deep, and or some dry wilting.>You don't need to turn when you sheet compost. The worms do all the work.Thank fucking god.>Dry some out and keep it on hand to make manure tea to feed to heavy nitrogen feeders throughout the season.I looked up manure tea. That sounds good. I'll probably set up a tarp, and get some/store it for later. For manure tea making how much can you expect to make in a standard set up? Would a 5 gallon filter sack generate a couple gallons of tea? Can the same manure make multiple "teas" or should fresh manure be used each time? Anything worth adding to the tea for supplementing?>>2816077>It's formed by burning in the absence of oxygen which is called pyrolysis.Sort of like how charcoal is made in general? Wasn't sure if it was different for general charcoal versus "biochar" I assume the medium being burned is more plant matter versus wood for grilling purposes? I saw barrel methods when I looked it up, I'll take a look around.>you want to "charge" it with nutrients and beneficial microbes before you apply it to soil. You can do that a number of ways and I can give you more details if you want.Is it similar to the "Bokashi" method of composting?
>>2816176>I'll have to look through my companion planter book for more suggestions.Thyme, basil, oregano, hot peppers, and marjoram can all change the flavor of things they're planted with. I can't remember more off the top of my head right now, but it shouldn't be hard to find more examples. Dill always does well for me which is great because I love eating it.>For manure tea making how much can you expect to make in a standard set up? Would a 5 gallon filter sack generate a couple gallons of tea?It will vary based on your manure and how it was handled and stored. A 5 gallon bucket should yield several gallons of tea, especially if it's a strong manure with low litter content which would mean you can use less for the same concentration of nutrients.>Can the same manure make multiple "teas" or should fresh manure be used each time? Anything worth adding to the tea for supplementing?Yes and no. I recommend dumping the used manure into your garden after each batch because there's still nutrients and organic matter in them, but the majority of the nutrients are in your last batch of tea. In general, manure and compost should have all of the nutrients and micronutrients that plants need, but they won't have the proper proportions for every plant so you could consider adding other nutrients that certain plants like to get more of. For example, squash will abort fruits if it doesn't have enough calcium, so you can soak some oyster shells, which you can get at farming supply stores next to the chicken feed, in vinegar overnight and pour some into your tea to help supplement calcium.
>>2816176>>2816334>Sort of like how charcoal is made in general? Exactly like that. The biggest difference is that charcoal briquettes have been powdered and crushed which destroys the structure of the charcoal and makes it unsuitable for most applications. Lump charcoal is fine to use right out of the bag.>Wasn't sure if it was different for general charcoal versus "biochar" I assume the medium being burned is more plant matter versus wood for grilling purposes?They're the same thing. I think the term biochar is to distinguish between charcoal intended for use as a soil amendment vs burning. You can technically use any biomass to make it, but woody biomass will give it better structure, which is it's most important quality.
>>2816176>>2816334>>2816336>Is it similar to the "Bokashi" method of composting?Not quite, but you can add charcoal to your bokashi bin to charge it. It will be inseparable from the bokashi, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Same with your compost pile and livestock feed. If you want to have charged biochar that's not mixed in with other things then you need to soak it in a liquid fertilizer like the manure tea for a few days. You can put in your filter bag, cover it with charcoal, and fill the bucket with water to make the tea and charge the biochar in one step. After it's been charged with nutrients it's best to inoculate it with beneficial microbes. It will have a lot of microbes from the manure/compost tea already, but its better if you can choose some of your microbes, especially since they can affect your soil in very different ways. I've used mushroom mycelium, which had decent results, but usually it's best to use a mycorrhizal inoculant that includes nitrogen fixing bacteria. You can find them for pretty cheap on Amazon. Just mix some into water and soak the biochar in it overnight. You don't want to let it stay in water too long for this part because the fungi will be out competed by bacteria and die without enough oxygen. Drying out shouldn't kill any of the beneficial microbes, so you can store it for a while before use. Some other microbes to consider are yeast and lactic acid bacteria.
I am looking for one or two smaller trees that produce fruit/nuts, but they have to be planted about 3m away from my house due to the weird shape of the yard. I'd like a tree that isn't going to fuck up the foundation with its roots, and that isn't very prone to disease. For reference, I live in a temperate climate in EU, what would you recommend?
>>2808844Updated squash pic.
>>2816352https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/04/fruit-trenches-cultivating-subtropical-plants-in-freezing-temperatures/Training your trees into a bush habit should work. This article details how to do it.
Corn starting up nicely, lettuce too. My kid threw a handful of mixed seeds in when I wasn't looking so well see what comes of the back bed.Mostly herbs this yearWas busy w a newbornt so no time for winter sewing this year. Garden next year will be better, should have ordered 4yd of soil
So, just to be clear, I want to grow stuff, but I am a lazy piece of shit.If I understand correctly, the only way I can do it is by not being a lazy piece of shit, correct?
>>2816408Nah read this.http://library.lol/main/C5B4B5E98AFB29EC7B17FF8E2F6842B9
>>2816432Interesting, I will have a look at this.More interesting even, I tried this mulch method one year with rye, and it worked very well.
>>2816486Certain things work really well with a thick mulch. Potatoes are supposed to grow really well under a mulch and this year I'm going to check it out.
I have huge broccoli plants but no heads on them yet. Wat do?
>>2816692It's fucking hot. Build a shade cloth rig.
>>2799852I’m totally new to gardening but I’ve just moved out of my parents house for the first time and I’m gonna try my hand at growing some tomatoes, chili peppers, and possibly tobacco.
>>2816702Unless you have a truck or can afford dump delivery, start small, go pot by pot or bed by bed. Incremental progress is key. This is a hobby you can get really into for a few weeks and then for the most part not care about and come back to with progress because shit just grows.
>>2816702Post your results.
Lettuce, Tomato, a bunch of different peppers, couple different onions, broccoli, celery, pole beans, carrots. Strawberry and sunflowers. Not pictured is another raised bed full of taters.
