What's the best roofing material??
>>2814297The most common one is probably the best value oneThe most expensive one is probably the bestDepends on what you want
>>2814301>The most expensive one is probably the bestretard alert.
>>2814304It wouldn't be on the market for so long and for that price if it wasn't worth
>>2814297metal>lasts forever>lighter than asphalt shingles, can even be installed on top of a single layer of shingles>looks decent, especially with color options>easy installation
>>2814367Can't use a TV antenna in the attic.
>>2814297Tile. Just werks for all of yurop.
>>2814372WTF is a "TV antenna"?
>>28142972 or 3 stories lets you get away with cheaper roofs because you have less roof area to replace.on a below average single story house replacing the roof is a joke. it's like 10% of the houses value
1. Copper2. Sheet metal with machine inserted seams (no screws at all in whole roof)3. Regular sheet metal with screws 4. Oven burnt tiles5. Cement tilesTile profile / quality varies a lot so it's very environment specific if it works or not.>>2814373Tile is kinda shit in northern europe.
>>2814373Totally unsuitable for much of USA due to hail
God metal roofs make me so fucking hard bros how is that not the default on new builds? I'm definitely pricing out a metal roof when it's time to replace mine.
>>2814458Lots of HOAs dont allow them which is lame and gay and they're surprisingly finicky. If you walk on them you may end up destroying the membrane and getting leaks. But on the whole, I love metal roofs too.
>>2814439Lead is cheaper and gives you the same if not a better result, other than it poisoning the rainwater which copper does too anywayAn extra benefit is better protection against radiation too
>>2814453Not only is hail like that not at all common anywhere in the US, hail big enough to be a threat to ceramic as thick as a mission roof tile is absolutely enough to punch through thin copper sheet.>>2814458>how is that not the default on new buildsSteel is already horrendously expensive, I don't even want to know what even an aluminum roof costs these days, much less copper.
>>2814297Space laser scatter blue.
>>2814297>What's the best roofing material??diamond.
>>2814453>>2814487yeah north texas and oklahoma gets pounded by 2 inch or larger hail several times a year, not to mention frequent 80+ mph winds that will peel a tiled roof every spring.
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>>2814297anything that turdshards don't use on there twig and paper "homes"
>>2814297What is the best floor material for a deck? There's your answer.
>>2814696it's leaky
>>2814482I've never seen or heard of lead roofing. Copper however is quite common on old churches and larger houses.I've never heard of copper roofs poisoning actual ground water. It just doesn't gather any moss on top of it.Good copper roof lasts easily 100 - 150 years even in north with 50cm of snow for 4-6 months a year.Sheet metal with machine seams is designed to last 60-80 years if you keep it moss free and paint every ~20 years.Old fired tiles can last 60-100 years too but you need to clean moss of once every 2-5 years with iron brush and herbicide. Old trick is also to use top 10cm made of copper to kill moss.Clay tiles last 20-60 years MAX. They're shit.Shingles are fucked up after 15-20 years.t. actual "semi" professional roofer.
>>2814458Terrible for hurricanes and tropical storms.>but paper weak!It’s like this. You might lose some paper shingles in a hurricane. Maybe. Water might leak through because a strip of valley was pulled off, or some tiles were pulled from the membrane underneath and are no longer set properly. But a metal roof will peak up and it’s a catastrophic loss. I was a firm believer in metal roofs until Ida, when all three (3) of the houses in just my block had their metal roofs ripped off. The paper roofs has some damage, with most people having to put up a temporary tarp until they could get a roof put in. But the metal roof people were all displaced because their ceilings collapsed in and a lot of their shit got rained on. So if there are no big storms in your area it might be a better choice. If you’re near the coast then fuck that shit.
>>2814845How about bitumen and paper? Every house in Philadelphia is roofed this way. 0 degree grade too.
Colorbondchads where we at?
>>2814297https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grass+roof&iax=images&ia=images
>>2814372That's not a negative. Broadcast television offers nothing of value.
>>2814297This is peak SOVL
>>2814820composite deck boards
>>2814458In high snow areas putting one on a slope lower than 8:12 is asking for trouble.You can have something like pic related, or more commonly the glacier that was building-up on the roof slides suddenly and dangerously.down.
>>2814300fpbp
It depends, most new builds I see have the asphalt shingles, the clay ones are good for adobe and Spanish style homes. Here is the Nordic grass roof style in Scandinavia.
>>2814458>is that not the default on new builds?They are 3-4x more expensive.
>>2814301>>2814305by your logic its woodits the most expensive because its the most difficult to produce in large quantities, and you have to replace it frequently, making it cost even moretheres copper too, very expensive aswell, yet everything it does, painted sheet steel or aluminum would do better, and cheaper
>>2814297Hands down, asphalt shingles.>NOOOOOOOO my le quirky heckin' basedarino clay/wood/metal/sod roofing though!!!!!!!!!!!>>reddit
>>2814458It goes like this: shingles are cheaper and I'm gonna sell this house in a few years so who gives a fuck. Whatever schlub buys the house probably will have no appreciation for the finer things in life, so why should I spend my hard earned dosh to buy him a roof that will never leak?>a society grows great when old men install metal roofs whose longevity they shall never seenah, fuck it
honestly, slate. plenty of 150 yo houses where i live with slate roofs.
>>2814297Galvalume or stainless steel. Wind scatters the rest and asphalt or wood shingles are not lifetime. Industry takes roofing seriously.
>>2814297>What's the best roofing materialinconel clad a514 plate with 100% welded seams
>>2814297Corrugated steel, galvanized. It can easily last 100 years and unlike flat steel is way way stronger and impact resistant.
Are Tesla's solar roofs still absurdly expensive? I think they look neat.
Depends almost entirely on where you live
>>2816076Use snow brackets
>>2816693This.>>2816648You are a retarded that never had to deep dive in galvanisation or in roof sheets thicknesses.
>>2817200that's an option, but failure is certainly possible with enough snow, and when they tear out they'll wreck your roof. Better to go with metal only on steep roof slopes in high snow areas so that the snow actually sheds and does not build up into a glacier. If the roof has a low slope, better to stick with shingles since the rough surface prevents the glacier from sliding.
Slate tiles.Expensive as fuck to build, but will last 100+ years, and most tiles can be reused after that.
>>2814301thats simply not correct. tile roofing that lasts 100 years is cheaper in poor countries because more people know how to lay tile. in first world countries, you have to pay out the ass for a specialist, most your cost is labor instead of materials. any retard can lay assfault though, which is what is cheap and popular in the usa. lasts about 20 years, and its shit. the majority of your cost is paying the middleman boomers who then outsource the job to illegals.
>>2814458metal roof are loud as fuck when it rains.
>>2817431With decent attic insulation you won't hear it indoors.
>>2814857Interesting take, thanks for sharing. I'm currently in the process of replacing my old roof and I live in Florida, a lot of contractors have shilled metal roofs to me for their storm resistance.
>>2814492>Space Lazer blueThis guy knows...and fucks.
>>2816127Asphalt shingles are made to be low-cost and affordable, made from crude oil. Wooden, slate, clay shingles are higher end and more expensive.
>>2817398>better to stick with shingles since the rough surface prevents the glacier from slidingI would have to disagree - snow slides just as easily. Shingles need a minimum angle in order to provide good drainage, so you get a sharper roof, than with sheetmetal. The minimum for a metal roof is 2,5 degrees , while with traditional ceramic shingle you are starting at 22 degrees. Snow anchors are pretty much a requirement for shingled roof.
>>2814297thin sheet of titanium of 316 steel >>2814372>not using the metal roof as the antenna
>>2817601*or
>>2814297material is not as important as how you do it.the typical shingles i see americans stick straight to their osb is the worst way to do it. its classidied as a "subroof" here and not seen as a permanent material. however once you do pic related its a 100years++ permanent structure and in the odd case a tile or two breaks the subroof will still keep water out until you have time to replace them.
>>2817430>because more people know how to lay tileHow hard can it be, the tiles lock together
>>2817588By shingles I mean the asphalt kind with a rough textured surface which is the standard roof covering in the USA and Canada.Yes, any smooth surfaced roof that slopes to an edge will have snow sliding issues.A steeper slope is better since:- snow sheds/blows away before it can compact- snow that does start compacting slides off more frequently, so the slab of compacted snow is thinner and less dense.What happens with a smooth roof surface is that once there is some melting, a layer of water accumulates between the roof surface and slab. When there's enough water the snow slab begins hydroplaning down the roof.Asphalt shingles prevent the snow sliding since the granules grip the snow/ice. The grip is minimally affected by melt water.
I'm glad I don't live in an area with snow, sounds like such a headache
>>2814297Metal. There's a good reason tons of commercial buildings use metal roofs, it's because they last forever.>>28161523-4x more expensive because roofers are robbing you. You can buy all the tools and galvalume and do it yourself and still come out way ahead.
>>2814845>I've never seen or heard of lead roofing.You live and learn.
>>2817853>shingles stapled straight onto osbthis gives me the cringe and ick in so many ways. please, dont do this.anyway, snow skiding isnt a problem, its the natural solution to the potential problem of snow load. you dont want 50metric tons of snow on your roof collapsing your house if it could just slide down by itself.traditionally we had earth roofs here, you know the ones where it grows grass, bushes and trees on your roof. and the building below was extremely oversized to cope with that extra load, real logs used for everything. and we still had to clear out the roof a couple of times during winter.with modern steel, tile or steel-tile roofing thats a thing of the past.
>>2814487>>2816152Steel roofing is only expensive because roofers give you the fuck off price.They rather keep everyone on shingles/tiles to justify their paycheck and have more return work from leaks, repairs and earlier replacements.Very much the same reason the cost of minisplit installs are so high in the US. They would rather install central and replace/clean ductwork to justify their money and crew. If you really want something they'll do it but want as much as if they did the more traditional thing.
Copper and slate.
Steel with stone coating.
>>2818023>snow skiding isnt a problemIt is if your property/people/pets are in the trajectory of the falling "snow"Snow in quotation marks because on a low slope it's not really snow, rather it's self-compacted by self-weight and melt into ice. Once it starts moving it will grip and take with it chimneys, vent pipes, antennas, and anything else in its path.Yes, ideally the snow is allowed to shed safely, which a steep slope allows, but a low-slope metal roof will create a slab overhang like pic related. The ice slab will slowly creep and suddenly break/fall. Also, all the weight of that overhanging slab puts a lot of strain on the edge structure
>>2817635>the typical shingles i see americans stick straight to their osb is the worst way to do it. its classidied as a "subroof" here and not seen as a permanent material.this. I am still surprised that they use them as the main roof material.in my area slate is the traditional, but the most common is tiles
>>2817637its not just that, the production of tiles are usually a local thing too in poorer countries. So it might be a community/locally owned 'factory' so to speak. People send their kids there for their first job, or a strong family controls it and has lots of workers under them and every little town has a similar set up. This means tiles are over produced, and people who have the skillset to get it done are in surplus.but in a first world country there might be one company that outsources mass produced tiles from a forign company and its just 1 or 2 crews in the whole state/county that knows how to ''lock tiles together".people make fun of american cardboard houses but houses made out of wood are extremely expensive and considered luxurious in areas that don't have a natural timber industry. I live in a lumber rich area, next to a sea port. We export our lumber to china, where chang pays a high price to build american cardboard houses for rich chinese boomers.another example is pottery. when I was a child, there were many local klins and you could purchase large clay pots for a few dollars. Those klins are all shut down now, and you have to import mass produced pots from forign countries for hundreds of dollars. But how can that be? any one can just spin a wheel and shape clay, right?Everything is relative to local conditions.
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>>2818092it seems that you have convinced yourself you need a phd to lock tiles together. it's just some overlapping grooves, jesus. it's dead easy, masonry or plumbing would be vastly more difficult and these people aren't highly educated eitherbut in your mind using the cheapest and most disposable construction method is the sign of a rich and developed country, while a properly constructed roof that lasts for generations is for the poorjust listen to your own drivel. americans man
>>2816605>>2817416i'm personally leaning toward slate or possibly copper, myself. about to buy my grandparents' house with a decrepit old asbestos roof and thinking how to proceed. the obvious solution would be to slap the cheapest architectural shingles down and call it a day. but the home inspector also recommended adding vents and correcting some incorrectly installed rafters so i'm thinking it'll be a big job no matter whatit's all hypothetical until i have actual quotes and a budget in mind, but i like the appeal of a traditional roof. slate and copper are both quite common where i live and the coastal air will make a nice verdigris
>>2817853How the fuck does the roof breathe? Can't imagine there is any air movement the way these are stapled to it. Do you put airvents into the attic space?
>>2818262yes, there is typically a large attic space with continuous vents at eave and ridge (sometimes at gable instead of ridge).
>>2814297Steel all day
>>2817431Not when it's done properly
>>2818325one of the major differences between american style housing and european, northern european to be more specific since its where comparable wooden houses is most common, is that we here use the attic space for living. the insulation in your pic, the pink stuff, then has to be up towards the roof and this changes the whole setup of how the roofing can be laid out.
>>2814297resin+fiberglass.
>>2818779Yeah, whenever you see these roof mounted windows it's safe to assume it's not a US or Canadian building.
>>2817637it isn't, they just overlap in obvious ways and are only hold into place by gravity and other overlapping tilesyou have to be completely clueless like >>2817430 >>2818092 to believe there is some skill involved laying tiles. the only real skill here is not having fear of heights but that goes for all roofers
There's an ancient building on my property with a clay tile roof supported by wood beams that will for sure collapse this winter. The only thing that's not going anywhere is the big central wood beam(it's a whole tree trunk).How much of an ordeal would it be to add a metal roof afterwards? What exactly goes into something like that? It's not a livable space or anything at most it could be used to store shit I don't need or wood, etc so I'm not too worried about making it 100% leakproof or insulated or anything, it would be mostly to keep the rain out, birds(and robbers?) and shit from getting in and just avoid the eyesore of having a roofless structure.Walls are brick btw. There's no snow here, weather is pretty mild. Would hiring someone for the task justify the extra cost or is it a simple enough task for a layman? I'd rather not spend too much money unless I really have to.
>>2818987looks cool but it's an absolute disaster to maintaini see them rarely here and i can only think to myself "good for you"
>>2818987i up you this
>>2818987>>2819017any idea how long it last?
>>2818985just buy corrugated iron, redo the rafters, add decking boards? maybe not sure if thats what theyre called, and drill the corrugated iron on with sheet metal screws>>2819038thats awesome, i dont know how much of a pain in the ass it is to maintain though
>>2819094takes supprisingly little effort to maintain.healthy soil is by itself kinda insulating and water resistant. its an old saying here "to lead the goat onto the roof" refering to a daily and mundane task in a rural setting and i guess at one time people actually did that. now its just a few times a year with a grass trimmer.
>>2819039apparently it depends on the moisture so i've just googled it and i've seen numbers ranging from 15 to 40 yearsi prefer the ceramic tiles that last a lifetime. by the time you need to replace those you're long dead
>>2814845I'm interested in getting into specifically copper roofing. I've briefly looked at the National Roofing Contracting Association and the Metal Roof Alliance to see if they would have the educational material to learn how to install Copper Roofing.They've got good sources for understanding/installing roof systems, but it didn't look like they would be the best primary source of information for copper roofs. Any recommendations on starting without working for a roofing company?
>>2818985why is not a quick repair of the current roof an option?
>>2818985>How much of an ordeal would it be to add a metal roof afterwards? If it's just a shed that wouldn't need insulation- it's the most basic roof you can make. Put ribs about 90cm from each other - you can use nails or screws it doesn't matter. When puttin up the beams pull a small peace of string across from one end to the other to make sure shit is level - depending on the beam add a small peg or remove material. Usually these beams are about 12cm tall and 8cm wide, but in you neck of the woods might have different standards. When the ribs are done, you have to run several planks across the width like pic related - these are there so you can screw your metal sheets. The planks should be spaced according to how tall your metal sheets are - you must screw both the bottom, the middle and the top of the sheet, and if you think the sheet is too long, just run a couple of more planks across in the middle. After that you simply start laying the sheets with the ends overlaping. There are special bolthead screws with a plastic washer that you would need to use to make sure water doesn't leak. For the top , they sell a premade zinked sheet that been bend to form, that you just screw in.
>>2820130Here is a steel beam version, but the principle is exactly the same.
>>2814857True that. I'm curious about what high wind set up they used? Did they just use a standard length screw or did they use a longer one and use a stronger screw pattern with say 600mm spaced perlins instead of 900 and did they use big fat washers. There's lots of shit you can do for high winds, but definitely if you're in a hurricane or a tornado place dontfuck around.
>>2817635Basically this. The quality of workmanship will have a huge effect on the performance of a roof no matter what the product. So will the shape of the roof. The more ridges and valleys, the more opportunities it has to leak.
>>2819305I've done a fair bit of roofing and guttering. Copper would be awesome but you'd be doing a lot of complicated architectural work where you'd always be coming across niggly little things that don't really work well ya know. You'll come across a disgusting amount of shortcuts and work that is rough to, because you're following after builders who are dealing with the same complicated designs that I mentioned earlier, so they've made fuck ups which is inevitable even for really good work. You'll also get a lot of renovation work which is the worst of the lot. If you're into that then go for gold. Tray roofing is especially nice and probably a niche product. Getting into cladding with tray and even normal corogate could be a good wee trade in place where there isn't much corgate cladding as well.
>>2819305Also out here there is a roofing course that you can go and do to get a ticket, it's pretty straight forward. There's probably one where you are too.
>>2814301>The most expensive one is probably the bestSolid gold diamond encrusted roof please
>>2814492Spacejewproofed and laserpilled
>>2820172i am pretty sure that some lab or space grade shit is way more expensive, hence betteror are you a poorfag, anon?
>>2818779Hot roofs are starting to be a thing now.
What about tar roofs?Not the shitty asphalt shingles
what kind of roofing would be good for pacific northwest weather where it's raining like 250-300 days a year, humidity always above 80%, and maybe 30 days a year above 80F. Snap colds in the winter and sudden heavy snowfall is also a problem but it's not prolonged snowfall usually.
>>2820177>space grade shitstretched aluminum. might be better for a covered structure, attachment points will be the weak spot. too easy to melt for arc welding might be able to laser weld.>lab gradeglass is a great idea aluminosilicate is used on the space shuttle, tesla solar roof is glass, corning glass lines their building entirely in glass with some seriously high security concerns like military attack they might have a glass roof material.
>>2820287>glass roofyes i would love to live in a greenhouse
Northern Europe has code where copper roofs are only allowed with a roof tilt down to 5.7° or so. Even with double folded seams, the waterr can penetrate into the seam, get stuck there, then next time you have negative temperatures It'll open the fold.. also copper roofts are a good thermal conductor, which sucks.Best is stainless steel roofs, usually 0.4 mm thick. The seam is welded using a machine, is also approved for 0° tilt roofs as it can handle the load. No maintenance needed. Also stainless steel is a bad thermal conductor which is good during winter.
>>2820572>Also stainless steel is a bad thermal conductor...compared to copper. it's still a good thermal conductor compared to most materials out there, especially if it's only 0,4mm in thickness
>>2814453allmost all good tile is certified to survive 1,5 Inch thick hailand if a tile breaks you slide it out and slide a spare one in.
>>2814453kek, the same kind of copium i always hear why americans build their homes out of glued together woodchips. earthquakes and tornadoes, apparently, even though these only happen in a small part of the US but yeah, your mcmansion in north dakota is made from glue, saw dust, paper, and gypsum, because of something something earthquakes that happen in california and floods in florida
>>2814300Earth is literally the best roofing material hands down it's not even a contest although, on the downside, that little faggot did require a fulltime gardener to maintain his home.
>>2817431I actually like the sound of my metal roof in the rain.
>>2817588You can actually do as low as 2:12 pitch (which I think is around 9 degrees?) with standard shingles if you install a layer of weatherguard first. My roofing sub has done this on a number of my jobs in the past and it's never been an issue. I do still prefer metal roof for slopes that low just for peace of mind, but sometimes it's just not in the customer's budget.
The best roof is the one you never have to replace or repair. This is definitely not shingles. Terracotta $ slate is ok, but they can break/crack from time to time and require patching. Membrane roofing is decent but you only really use that on flat. So I'd give it to metal sheet roofing. Copper, tin, or powder coated steel.
Unrelated but how do you people survive in climates that snow?Do you just spend months of the year never enjoying the outside?My winter rarely goes below 5C and i'm miserable already.
>>2820131can you build one of these over a house and have TWO roofs (rooves?)? Then the second roof would last forever and it would stay cool. might even have a wind effect in between them.
here in the usa near camp pendleton all the houses have concrete roof tilesin fact many demolitions give these awaybecause they sag the walls after like 50 yearsbut the roof tiles are still fine and perfecta percfect concrete roofi have 2 houses worthyou just need to haul them awaysthey post them online all the timei would say use free concrete roof tiles
>>2825328>sag the walls?
>>2814297100 metres of rock.
The guys who worked my position when I am off the ship is from the Faroe Islands. His shed is 400 odd years old.Older than my country.So grass?
A mixture of lead and slate. Many Edinburgh properties have their original slate and leadwork, some 250 years+ old.Often if it has been replaced it was miss-sold or was poorly maintained. Lead seems to last less time though TBF.It's pretty wet, damp and windy here so it's not an easy life for a roof.>Pic rel>Original thick hand quarried slate tiles>Mixture of original and replaced leadwork>Some timber repair on cupola>Circa ~1805-1810Was always a premium product, but was the norm and proves very good value. This roof will last for many many decades to come.
>>2814845>I've never heard of copper roofs poisoning actual ground water.>Old trick is also to use top 10cm made of copper to kill moss.How do you think that works for stopping moss further down the roof than the top 10cm? It gets in the water.
>>2814845Maybe its because they often use lead solder for copper roofs? Even for a standing seam roof, I've always seen a few small spots where solder was needed. Unless there is a company out there making prefab copper roofs that are just like the steel ones. I've only seen guys fab it all themselves.
>>2814845>I've never seen or heard of lead roofingWell enjoy then.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDG4LaUMAbE
>>2823525I have also wondered about this quite a bitthe biggest problem I can see is it getting ripped off by hurricanesbut yeah protecting the lower roof and the cooling affects would surely pay for rebuilding the overroof
>>2823494heating is efficient in a well insultated abodesame with clothing outside
>>2825631yes many of these houses were built after the waror in the 60sthey are old housesconcrete tiles cost a lot knewlook them upyes the insurance usually just makes them replace themi mean any house after 50 years is going to have some problems broalso its pretty much concrete roof that you can get for freelike a lefit roof that will handle hurricane impacts
>>2825631i have concrete roof tiles like i said they are fucking concretenot cementthey are like 6 8 dollars a piece todaymeanwhile here in souther cathey are taking off all the old demolition housessometimes for no reosoni keep looking online finding pallets of them
>>2826041>>2826043one of the houses i have all the red pain fell of itbut the concrete tile is perfect
you guys really need to look up on sites like offer upor the gay facebook market placehere where i am there are so many houses that are being flipped for rentals, old ass housesi find a lot of material for free onlinei have 2 bathrooms full of sinks toilets glass curtainsdoorsa ton of windowsmy neighbor is a roofer and gave me like 1000 dollars worth of shinglesi always see bathtubs tileshit is usually cheap tooyou guys need to start getting a little more creativethe one thing you wont find is wood tho lol
in fact if your really needing a roofcall up roofersand tell themif you have any material left overi will buy cash make a dealcontracters always overbuy
>>2826043what's the benefit over regular ceramic roof tiles? and i don't understand how they "sag the walls", you mean they literally bend under the weight?what kind of a shed must you be living in to achieve that
>>2826041>yes many of these houses were built after the war>or in the 60s>they are old housesi suppose by american standards>i mean any house after 50 years is going to have some problems broyes but sagging walls because roof tiles too spicey? come on
>>2814297here in the midwest USA the answer is asphalt shingles because they're cheap to repair and replace.When we have to deal with 70+ mph winds spring and fall that peels off roofs or fist sized hailstones roofs get destroyed, wood shake, tiles, steel, all are rekt, seems like most houses get a new roof every 5 to 10 years, so asphalt shingles.
>>2826294I mean, people do put on more expensive roofs... for a while. Like a million-dollar gated golf course house, I remember when it was built they had beautiful Spanish tile roof.It now has an orange asphalt shingle roof because a hail storm destroyed the clay tiles
>>2826296hail shouldnt break spain style tile roofs... that is a quality problemt. north spaniard
re: roof chat, what is the obsession with hip roofs in the american midwest? they look ugly individually and together they look like a bunch of ant mounds. imagine spending $450,000 on one of these
>>2826346>what is the obsession with hip roofs in the american midwest? they look ugly individually and together they look like a bunch of ant mounds. imagine spending $450,000 on one of these
>>2826346It's the mcmansion effect
>>2826346I think they are ugly, but I am still leaning towards a simple hip and ridge when I build for the wind resistance. When it hails it's always windy as fuck too so it's presenting a smaller face toward that too. The air gap under the panels can vent nicely up at the ridge no matter the wind direction. Throw a couple storage trusses up there and you got yourself a nice eagles nest.
>>2826296>hail breaking tileswat?
>>2826429NTA but it can. Usually baseball size and bigger or very old cheap tiles that are simply more brittle can be cracked and broken by quarter-to-golfball sized hail. Not many materials are actually resistant to hail bigger than golf ball sized hail though.
>>2814372>TV antenna
>>2814414A device which picks up radio signals which carry TV data. These days, most are attached to a dish-shaped device which focuses the incoming radio waves on the antenna.
>>2817431I put butyl tape underneath mine when I installed it so hopefully that won't happenIf there's still noise I'll put a few sheets of butyl sound insulation shit on it like they do in cars
>>2817431I think this idea persists from back in the day when metal roofing was installed directly over purlins (without roof decking) and there was no insulation in the attic/ceiling if there was an enclosed attic space at all.Installed over roof decking, I haven't noticed a difference in sound during storms versus a shingle roof, and I've had several of both.
>>2826689Bare metal roofs (nothing under them, they're visible from inside) are common on sheds not meant for habitation. This was also fairly common back in the day in the US and in very poor areas today. That may be where most people would be exposed to the sound of rain on a metal roof.
>>2814897>gets holes punched in by hailStill better off than tiles in stormy areas which just shatter.
>>2826699Yeah my grandparents grew up in the rural south during the great depression and they were horrified about the idea of putting metal roofing on a house. They couldn't get over the idea that it was a scummy hackjob for dirt poor people. They refused to believe that it's actually a more expensive, much more durable roofing system these days
>>2826719My great grandmother canned fruits, veggies, and sauces and stuff up until she died in her late 90s. Great depression seems to have fixed an entire generation to being frugal. Meanwhile millenials cry they can't afford tens of thousands of dollars of bullshit AND buying a house at the same time.
>>2826703I have never heard of that happening here
>>2826726Are you somewhere outside of the US where the weather is a joke?
>>2826728No just somewhere outside the US where roofing isn't a joke.
>>2826276concrete tiles are far more heavy than clay like 9 pound tile which also makes them more storm resistant. which i guess bends American houses.here in Europe there cheaper, and more storm Resistant.and better sound dampening. They have a lower MTBF of like only 50 years vs clay with 70. but that probably has to do with bad charges in the past if they survive 30 years they will probably also survive 70. concrete never stops hardening a 30yo tile is harder to break than a new one. on a steep roof they will probably survive 100 years aswell like tile. pic is a German roof framing i doubt it will sag
>>2826903on top of that comes a membrane then vertical slats and then horizontal slats nowdays only 440x60mm is allowed thats 1 1/2"x 2 1/4" real inches not less like 2x4" the air gap between the membrane and tiles is ventilated and importand to make everything last. pic rel how steep it is and with copper or lead valleys and flashing will easy survive 100 years.
>>2826903>concrete tiles are far more heavy than clay like 9 pound tile 9-12 pounds/square feet apparently, but i suppose that can be roughly the surface area of a single tilebut this also shows up>Depending on the style and size, Spanish clay tiles can weigh anywhere from 8 to 15 pounds per square foot.and according to thishttps://targetfixings.co.uk/products/skew-fast/tile-weight-guides/see pic which i really cba to translate to american meme units but it shows concrete tiles in weight are comparable or lighter compared to clay, so even if you meant concrete slates far more heavy might be a bit of an overstatement>>2826907nigga you think this is some secret technology? our roof is almost exactly the same like the pics you posted at around 50°, except the tiles are coated in black70 years and standing. no growth on it either since i think the growth gets fried during summer with that black coating but that's just a presumption
>>2826952after googling some more our specific roof tile comes out at 2,6kg/tile and 42kg/m^2, so i suppose concrete can be significantly heavier than our specific roof but so can other clay tile typesanyway, i don't think your on average 50kg/m^2 is going to make much difference during a storm than a 42kg/m^2 unless they're supposedly much stronger and can withstand hail that would shatter ceramic but how often does that happen in a lifetime
hey roofing autists:would any of your materials make decent armor to /k/ standards?
>>2826971>laminate geotextile with UV-curing resin and some garnet gravel mixed in>lay tiles of that shit on your roofs>????>PROFIT!
>>2826971No.
>>2814301>The most common one is probably the best value one>The most expensive one is probably the bestYou must be at least 18 to post here.
>>2814297Hempcrete shingles
Contractor here. I put 24 gauge standing seam steel on my own house and expect it to last at least 50 years.When I built it I designed the roof with a steep slope and no penetrations. No chimney and plumbing vents exit through the walls.3x the cost of shingles but it looks sharp, won't discolor any time soon, and, except in the case of a foreign object falling from the sky, has no way to leak. Copper would be prettier, but I'd rather not be in debt so that Blackrock doesn't have to reroof once they own all the housing.
>>2827046>steep slope and no penetrations.Is it either an A-frame or a ventilation disaster? Because the attic air has to breathe somehow.
>>2826276the concrete tiles are made in industrial settings. its a poured concret, not cement its baked in ovenits very hard. and its mimicks a fully poured concrete roof, it will handle shit like wooden beams flyng at hurricane speeds. also it has less water retention and it seems to not be bothered by the time or weather.it will last easily more than 100 yearssagging the wall thing is because they were wood houses made almost 70 80 years ago. they dont all sag the walls but like a corner needs to be replaced or somthing,its also a little more labor intensive than regular shinglesyou have to understand insurance companies will always just pay for a new roof than deal with any probelms
>>2826279its not what you think like just a wall or corner hereits mostly from the wood rotting or being eaten by termites or just old as hellit has mostly to do with insurance just replacing everything to make it to codethey will throw out sections of great wood just to make it easy and compliant
>>2826903the weather also plays a roledo you have projectiles contanly hitting your roofwater or insect damageits never the whole house just sections
>>2823494just put on a coat you colossal pussy
>>2827051A ridge vent is not a "penetration" in the sense the anon was talking about. It's an integral part of the roof construction, not a different service that pokes a hole through it and needs independent sealing.
>>2827065clay tiles are usually rated to 1 1/2" of hail some up to 2"and if a tile breaks all you need to do is slide it out and slide a new one in. underneath the tiles there is a membrane which ends up in the gutters it will catch any water entering through a cracked tile. during construction that membrane can keep the rain out while the roof is not finished for a few weeks. insect damage can be a problem for the roof since treated lumber is not allowed anymore. but not that much. for the rest of the house its brick or concrete so no problem.water damage is also no problem for a brick house after you stop the leak everything will dry out furniture carpet or paint will be damaged but not the structure.
>>2814297>asks for the "best material">gives zero (0) criteriaWhat climate? What country? How big is the roof? What's the angle of the roof? What is the house made of, what's the general style?
>>2814372golem moment
>>2827120>A ridge vent is not a "penetration"I forgot about ridge vents in my imagination of trying to picture your roof. Even the pipe jacks are coming out of the side of the house?
>>2827062i have found no source that suggests concrete tiles last longer than ceramic ones, in fact they all say the opposite, giving lifespan numbers of 30-50 years for concrete tiles and 100+ for ceramicdo you have one that says otherwise?>it will handle shit like wooden beams flyng at hurricane speeds>mfw
>>2827371oops retarded. plumbing vents.
>>2817431>metal roof are loud as fuck when it rains.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5FKc7JcU8SOVL
Standing Seam Metal roof seems quite nice.
>>2814367the problem with metal, is that even with your attic insulated it's loud AF when it's raining outside. I suggest shingles, then when they need replaced, put steel over top of them.
>>2814858That stuff is pretty amazing. It can hold standing water for ages. You can walk all over it, too. It's thick AF. Its only weaknesses are an unskilled crew doing the install and ultraviolet light. If it is installed by a skilled crew over solid sheathing, then it is tough to beat. It is just ugly. If you don't put UV protection on it, you will begin to see the beginnings of sun damage after 15-20 years or so, but the cool thing is that you can just put another layer of the stuff over the first layer and then it's even better. They make this UV resistant paint that's silver you can paint it with. Don't try and repair it yourself with hardware store products, just have the roofers who installed it come back.
>>2827418>even with your attic insulated it's loud AF when it's rainingliterally an upside. rainsound is soothing.>when they need replacedyinzer detected
>>2827194most of the houses here are being refurbushied for rentalsthe tiles are great and easilty 50 plus years oldthey look just the same as the ones minus the painti have noticed that when you get them off old houses , you get a ton more complete ones, they break not as easily. the clay ones seems to break faster. also here in the usa they dont really use a membrane underneathalso they nail them in the whole at the topa process where many are brokenits weird you never see pallets of clay tiles for free on the sitesjust concreteim pretty sure they chuck them off the roof and many breaki have a concrete roof and its the fucking same as a poured roofits a giant slab of concretenot cement
>>2827194like i said i have a concrete roofthe insulation on it is way better than clay ill tell you thati just had a hail event of golf sized hail that messed my neighbors upmy roof is finein fact i barely noticed italso i live on a mountain with 80 plus windsone of the reosons i choose concrete is cause i live in the high desert3 years still perfect roof
>>2827194simple google search:"Concrete tiles are Class A fire rated and resistant to damage from hail and high winds, typically achieving a minimum of a Class 3 hail resistance rating. Concrete tiles can sustain winds in excess of 125 miles per hour that would strip off most other roofing materials."
>>2827194""Clay and concrete tile roofing has been tested in accordance with 2017 – Florida Building Code – Residential, Sixth Edition, to meet SECTION R 4402 High-Velocity Hurricane Zones — Roof Assemblies and Rooftop Structures, with wind speeds up to 150 miles per hour.""
Clay and concrete tile roofs can last up to 100 years and the natural pigments in clay tiles won’t fade over time. Depending on the tile you choose, a tile roof can withstand the impact of 1.75” – 2” hailstones without cracking. Because of this, tile roofs are available in both UL2218 Class 3 and Class 4 impact resistance ratings
>>2827126https://bisonroofing.net/clay-vs-concrete-roof-tiles/
>>2827685>>2827681>>2827680>>2827679>>2827677>>2827676Was it really necessary to make 6 posts bragging about your concrete tile roof in the desert? Where are you anyway? Palm Springs?
>>2827702i think he might not only be delusional but also unironically highly autistic>my roof is going to stop wooden beams flying at 150 mphsure bro
reinforced concrete poured on a slope, be a man
>>2827850>>2827854What could go wrong having several tons of concrete over your head?
>>2827854this seems slightly overkill
>>2827994so like every single multi floor building ever? what you think the floor is made of?
>>2828009maybe he is in a warzone
>>2828393except multi-floor buildings are made nearly completely of concrete and engineered for all that weight. A single story dwelling generally isn't designed for that because it adds so much cost to reinforce the foundation and walls to hold up a heavy roof and it still looks like an ugly bunker. Then on top of that when cracks do develop, you as the homeowner have to hire a specialized concrete repairman to maintain the stupid thing.
>>2828420>A single story dwelling generally isn't designed for that because it adds so much cost to reinforce the foundation and walls to hold up a heavy roofnta but this looks like a new construction so presumably they took this into account. and i don't think the weight of such a roof is going to make that much of a difference relatively speaking considering the whole weight of the buildingbut yeah if your house is made out of the cheapest pine and OSB then probably not the best idea, but if you use real materials like brick or concrete blocks i don't think it's going to matter much except being expensiveanyway, i don't really see the point unless your neighbourhood gets leveled every year by F5 tornadoes or you live in gaza or something
>>2828530Bingo, living in a bomb shelter above ground only makes sense when you're expecting bombs (or tornados)
>>2828530>anyway, i don't really see the point unless your neighbourhood gets leveled every year by F5 tornadoes or you live in gaza or somethingin some places concrete is cheap, and it is way less work than properly doing it in some other waysalso some people have an obsesion with making shit the strongest possible even if it doesnt make sense at allt. my uncle did that to his house, was a mix of both reasons i gave
>>2828420if you look at the pic the walls are also reinforced concrete casted into forms, there's no load bearing problem, it's built like bunker but doesn't need to look like a bunker if you cover it, it will be pretty and strong
yes i live in the desert,i just had hailwe just had a stormi live on the top of a mountainyes concrete roof tiles are great for the weatheralso they fucking just like clay tilesthey dont like shitthey like fucking roof tilesred
>>2827994its actually very safecause it does not fall on you the rebar keeps in placeit just cracks llike in an earthquke
>>2829576>>2829578why do youkeep writinglike thati don't reallyknow why youkeep doing that
>>2827677>3 years still perfect roofwhoah whoah, a whole 3 YEARS already and your roof is still in perfect condition?!someone call the press, this must be a new record
>>2814297Corrugated steel
