It's been a good while since we've had a good tractor thread.
why the fuck are MF135s so expensive these days?
I am looking for all purpose medium tractor and i've came up with Case XL 956/1056. I have experience with Case tractors, i've worked with Magnum 7120 for a long time but XL series is completely new to me. Is any good? Could you guys tell me if there is any specific stuff that is prone to breaking?
>>2857258>medium tractor>in line 6what are you planning to do? What size fields and how wide are your tools?
>>2857266Tools would be mostly 3,5 - 4 m wide. And fields would be mostly 2,5 to 4 ha max, i'll see, i plan on getting around 20 ha max and splitting it in half, 10 for cattle farming and other 10 for grain cultivation. I'd like to slap a front loader on it.>medium tractorYeah, kind of. Compared in size to 7120 or JDs my neighbours roll in it seems closer to MTZ 1221 than to Magnum.
>>2857275>3,5 - 4 m wide>4 ha to 20 hajeez hobbyists really love pissing away money.Mate who ever clowned you into that never heard of working economical.You could easily size down to 2.5 - 3m and do everything with a 70-100 hp 4 cyl, which is also a better size for loader work, get everything done in nearly the identical time frame and save a shitton on consumables, tires and fuel. For reverence, full time Farmers here do between 100 and 400 ha (field shape depending) on 3m 180hp (4 ha heavy work per hour is easily doable) everything else is a pissing contest.If i were in your Situation, trying to get all that done with just one tractor, i would probably go that rout and priorities getting air conditioning and a gearbox with full reverse gear set on steering column and a power shift group. basically what was state of the art of the mid 90s
>>2857258That's an international painted in caseih colours
>>2857258Anything with with a cat 2 hitch or smaller is small.
>>2857291Alright, thanks
>>2857043I need this. Dragging logs around. Working in steep terrain.
>>2857532same but with reverse control mainly for mowing.
Is it still possible to put custom firmware in a John Deere? Apparently that used to come from hackers in Ukraine but they're probably busy with other matters now. Has Deere used this as an opportunity to lock everything down unopposed?
>>2857535>but with reverse controlThen this. Seat and controls can be rotated.
>>2857051brother I've been looking for a reasonably priced fendt 280 s since ages
FergusonEverything else is shit
>>2857043I just did a tour of the Farm Museum out in Fort Langley and they have an extremely impressive collection of old tractors. Diesel gas and even a few Steam and boilerless ones as well.Case, Massey, Deere and a few others.My dad worked for the Canadian government occasionally as a Russian translator and one of his jobs was to translate a farm equipment manuals into Russian so that peasants could understand these machines and not accidentally fill up a gas tank with water.In my stuff I still have a couple of boxes of these old manuals that he had. Most of them are nearly new and have never been touched by Greasy hands. Also some really good repair guides for some of the rare ones.
>>2857559John Deere half the once were stolen by the Russians and brick the firmware on them
>>2857291Depending on situation you can quite often get bigger cultivation kit relatively cheaper than smaller. For example 5-furrow, semi-mounted reversibe ploughs are ofter cheaper than 4-furrow mounted ploughs. And talking about economics, the only thing matter is cost per hectare and it's usually smaller with bigger, used kit versus small, new one. However like you said you should look at the big pucture and make choices based on that, there's no definite answer of what kit is the right choice.And for the tractor in question, I'd go for a 5100 or MX series Case rather than those old IH based models. Former are much nicer with loader thanks for reverse shuttle versus latter with ZF's expensive-as-hell-to-repair manual gearbox. Or if you live in Europe, CS/CVX-branded Cases are still somewhat hidden gems.
>>2857615>Ferguson>Everything else is shitYou misspelled International Good ol tractors.
>>2857615Nobody tell him about the 1080
>>2857532Articulated tractor. Noice.
Anyone know if the Kubota v4300-2A (tractor: m6950) is direct or indirect injected?
>>2857660>so that peasants could understanddude what are you 60?
Oh yeah, tractors rock!
this soviet bad boy goes hard
>>2857043Thinking about getting one of these for my smallholding. Roast me.
>>2860955I've played enough spintires to know that's miserable work.
>>2861130the engine on that would rattle itself apart.
>>2857043woke my ferguson tef 20 from a deep 2 decade sleep this summeronly some minor stuff remainingfreeze caps leakingcooler belt to be replacedanyone have a good picture of where all the gears are?there are 4 forward gears and one reverse, i know where they are but i dont know which forward gears are which
>>2861160Nah not really, rarely are locks even needed. Might be because there recently was a logging, and the forestry machine sunk some wood from thinnings a feet down in the clay for traction and... buyoancy? Increased shear strength for the clay anyway, so the machine doesnt sink. Also without the chains it would be absolutely impossible. The trailer can also get drive train power from the tractor, but so far it hasnt been necessary. Say what you want about russians but Belarus tractors are absolutely indestructible.
>>2861188>The trailer can also get drive train power from the tractor,Pto power to an old truck axle?
>>2861191Yeah, exactly. Grandfather built the trailer from an old truck, transmission included. As far as I'm aware most tractors from the late 70s didnt have drive power output to PTO or an air compressor, but somehow these absolute commie beasts do.
>>2861401Yeah ground speed pto isn't that common.
Bumping
>>2857043i just want a 5020 kinze repower with a screaming 8v71 jimmy to mow the backyard with. modern shit is so soulless
>>2862621>Boomer mowing the lawn memebut instead of>brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrit goes>EAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAE
>>2857043Got done doing some wrenching on my mf35. Replaced the leaking waterpump and got two new rear tires. The old had real bad dry rot and punctured one tube.
>>2863419First job was to tidy up my overgrown dirt road
>>2862621Old stuff was the old equivalent of soulless You're retarded
>>2863420Looks nice.
>>2863420comfy
>79 engine hp made 96-02So about 10-20k I don't know if fendts command a premium just because they are a fendt.
>>2865090>>2857611Forgot reply link
>>2857043im wanting something i can use on undeveloped land that will help clear it and build a house. i have a truck that can tow a gooseneck but no trailer. my thoughts:case 580's - extremely cheap 2wd backhoes and seem to be everywhere - but i have to buy/rent a big ass trailer some sort of skidsteer - they're all expensive and look like hell to work on, but retain value and dont need a 26' trailer to be hauled we used a 35hp kubota to build a pole barn and do yard work, at times it felt small and we had to call someone else out here to dig anything up are there more perspectives i should be pondering?
>>2865100what's the terrain?
how often do you guys change or sharpen blades? I bought some generic ones off Amazon and after like 2 mows they're dented.
>work gets a brand new Kubota M5>to lift pallets
>>2865163loader or forklift
>>2865156>after like 2 mows they're dentedpart and parceli "sharpen" at most once a year, that means establish an edge and take my time deburring. mower blades are horrendous steel.dents dont matter, another part of the blade will take the cut next revolution.
>>2865163>1995's tech for loader workthats just trolling
>>2865242Loader...also came with a bucket that we use roughly once every two years to fill holes in the parking lot lmaoThe one we got rid of was a 20 year old JD 5320 with 600 hours on it...if you're in Washington state check out the government auctions and it could be yours
>>2862621Build what you want to drive. In the US custom pulling and modified tractors are common. My respect to those fabricators (serious farmers can fix much of what they own)https://www.farmshow.com/ showcases many self-built tractors, self-made or modded equipment and much more.
>>2865391I wonder if kit tractors would become a thing?Buy an engine, drivetrain, hydraulic pump and what other off the shelf components you'll need then Fabricate the chassis from specced steel stock and Viola a tractor that if needed you could customise during construction to suit you requirements.
>>2866928tractors are consumables, no point in hyper specializing one if it will be worn out within 10 years anyway.>just fix it brotheres a million splined shafts, bearings, seals and welds that could all fail at the worst possible time making worn out gear a liability for anything but small scale hobbyist work. certain tasks have narrow time windows
>>2867193>just get excited for new product and consumeTractors are a tool, wear parts are consumables and the kit would allow you to make the tractor more or less complicated depending on your wants and needs.
>>2867236>wear parts are consumablesat some point the whole frame and every cast is a worn part, Thats just how it is in an environment of abrasive dust and high dynamic loads.Now either buy a new more fuel efficient one and write it off, or consoooooooom upwards of 10k yearly in obsolete spares for your lemon.
>>2867193>>2867242>t. never heard of caterpillar certified rebuild
>>2867257>he thinks they do it for free
>>2867242Why the fuck would I put bad parts into a custom tractor besides being cheap?
Although making a new bell housing, mounts and getting new accessories if unsupported by the new choice when an engine/transmission is eventually no longer supported would be a minor pain.
One of these is not like the others
>>2867242>at some point the whole frame and every cast is a worn part, Thats just how it is in an environment of abrasive dust and high dynamic loads.>Now either buy a new more fuel efficient one and write it off, or consoooooooom upwards of 10k yearly in obsolete spares for your lemon.This is bullshit. A lot of the parts in a tractor are not wear items, and apart from a ridiculous catastrophic failure would be fine for multiple lifetimes of use. Some parts are definitely wear items and replaceable.
>>2868756FS is way more entertaining than it has any right to be.
>>2868789>peak male fantasy
>>2868764>and apart from a ridiculous catastrophic failurehave you never heard of fatigue?We've had every fail there is either ourself or in the village.broken frame, worn spline on the hitch links, cracked rim, exploded planetary gearset, multiple inch thick shafts (especially on combines) juts shearing off along a rusty fault line, multiple 1000€ each pcb's breaking due to fatiqued solder joints (no chance fixing, thanks to epoxy coating) And thats just the catastrophic breakdowns, not the expected seals, bearings and bushings.Like the repair budged for our combine is literally 5k per year, above that trading it in for a newer would be paid off in 5 years, or cheaper to hire a contractoryou know what fucks farmers in the ass? the time window for a task like sowing, spraying pesticides or fertilizer is the same for everyone in ones area, no difference between doing just a single acre or 1000. Guess who can afford a week or two of breakdown time
If you're thinking about getting your first tractor, avoid anything with a DPF system. They are annoying af, they make your tractor anemic and they're expensive to delete.
>>2868924yea rather get something ancient with mechanical fuel injection that blows 1/5th the diesel straight out of the pipe when slightly bogged down
>>2868927Kubota, Massey and John Deere all have modern tractors with no DPF system
>>2868915>broken frame, worn spline on the hitch links, cracked rim, exploded planetary gearset, multiple inch thick shafts (especially on combines) juts shearing off along a rusty fault line, multiple 1000€ each pcb's breaking due to fatiqued solder joints (no chance fixing, thanks to epoxy coating)>And thats just the catastrophic breakdowns, not the expected seals, bearings and bushings.Those are all easily replaceable parts except for maybe the cracked frame, and that is repairable. Maybe you just suck at maintenance? New equipment is nice at times, but saying the old stuff is not useful and completely worn out when it needs a bit of service is peak consooooooooooomerism. Go get another loan from Mr. Shekelburg and buy that new tractor, so I can get a sweet deal on your old perfectly serviceable equipment...
>>2868957bet you would also buy a 10k hour 900 series vario
>>2868957>for maybe the cracked frameThe argument started from proposing a kit tractor made with a ladder chassis to allow multiple engines and transmission options so just get the stock the chassis was made from and make a new one.
I need an intro to tractors.New land owner here, I have a few acers of a dead lake that's overgrowing with invasive cattails. It's a low spot that stays wet 8 months out of the year. I want to cut them back a hundred feet, they are creeping into my backyard. Looking ok CL I've seen a few cheaply priced Farmall and Ford tractors that go for around $3,000.I want to use it as a brush cutter and as a cultivator.I have minimal knowledge on these guys, looking for advice on where to strat.
>>2868976>bet you would also buy a 10k hour 900 series vario>FendtNo thanks.
>>2869232Super dexta? in the US?Anyway a European utility like that super dexta would be a good start.
>>2857043Are chinese tractors any good? Excluding the import costs.
>>2869310If you pay them enough to make a good tractor
>>2869310the ones ive seen reviewed are at least 45 years behind technology vise, i would keep that in mind when looking at prices
If they made tractors faster they could plant and harvest faster which is more efficient to get the products to market for just in time eating.
>>2871266>which is more efficientakshually wear and fuel consumption increases quadratic with speed, wide and slow is way more efficient than narrow and fast. not even talking about headland time loss
>>2871266The concern is getting the crop in and out on specific time windows rather than turn around.
Or is it turn over?
>>2871266>t. never bounced in a tractor seat pulling a turbotill at 12mph
>>2871504Smooth your field out
I was in PA last year just driving around. I was relatively deep in the mountains and saw a fuck ton of cars parked in this massive field. Stopped, bought a ticket, it was a farming expo. These farmers all brought their antique tractors, steam tractors, these massive grain cultivators from 200 years ago. Amish, white mountain dwellers, it was a wild place. If I had pics on this phone I'd upload them for you guys, you would get a kick out of what I saw. You farmers LOVE your machines.
I've been looking to buy a used tractor for tilling a garden and moving logs out of my woods for a little while and I'm torn between getting a Wheel Horse D200 and a Magnatrac Jr. with a loader bucket. The D200 doesn't come with a tiller but has a Cat 0 hitch and the Magnatrac doesn't have a rear pto at all but I figure I could plumb one in. Any thoughts or better options I should look into? I will say I'm not looking to get anything much bigger than these. Wouldn't have a place to store it.
>>2873201If you want to keep that small then get both other wise would something the size of a grey Ferguson be too big?
>>2873201>AnonymousSmall tractors are surprisingly capable but I absolutely wouldn't buy one without a loader already installed. It will change how you approach everything. Ironically the same could be said about having a proper, hydraulic 3 point hitch. Rear PTO is super handy too, I fabbed up a wood chipper that is so much fucking better than a standalone unit. Another thing, try to buy a tractor as a package, ie get one that already has all the shit you need. Finding specific attachments for a tractor that is already 30 years old is a fucking hassle. Also, Cat 0 is a pain in the ass to work with. If I was buying again, I'd be looking for something hydrostatic, 4wd, and cat 1. Look on CL/FB for grandpa died kind of deals where the kids don't want anything to do with any of it. That Magnatrac will rip the shit out of the ground with those tracks. Even my rubber tracked chinese mini ex does.
