>incredibly strong, can survive every kind of natural disaster>cheap>readily available
>>2866090> any natural disasterexcept earthquake whereby they tend to kill all the occupants.
>>2866090You listed the reason: because they're cheap. Anything accessible to the masses, especially the unwashed masses, is going to looked down upon. The question is why do you care what others think? If you can get a concrete house for cheap and it serves your needs, why do you care that Karen and Biff turn their noses up at it?Also there are lots of concrete buildings that are clad with decorative siding so you don't even know they're concrete. This is especially true in multistory commercial properties.
>>2866090the taste.
>>2866105Are you retarded?
>>2866139Really depends on the construction techniques.
funny, I made a similar bread just a few days ago >>286096I was more specifically asking about casting unusual shapes like cylinders, but I would also be open to just buying cheap mass produced panels if I could end up making something inhabitable out of that. It should be panels though. Not a fan of brick buildings. although I like the combination of red brick + concrete panels. I don't know exactly what it is that draws me to that building material. I guess I like the honest "rawness" of it. there is some appeal to taking raw industrial materials and making something persoanal like a family home out of that. wheras usually panel buildings are associated with large low class social housing complexes. I want to build my own recluded bunker to live as far away from the cattle as possible.Right now that's just a pipe dream though.
>>2866090How do you insulate it? Concrete is a shit insulatorHow do you run wiring and plumbing?How do you ventilate it? Concrete easily gathers moisture and condensation, does not breathe. Honestly why go through all that for some random one in a million chance that you are hit by a natural disaster, and even if you are hit you still might have to do repairs which will be even more expensive to fix with a concrete house.I live in a wooden house that was built in the 1700s and it has survived everything for 300 years, no need to make some stupid bunker that will be an inconvenience with little benefits.
>>2866174Sounds like you have a very cool house. Where I live, concrete houses are the standard. Somehow we manage to have insulation, electricity, climate control, and plumbing. I would really like to see pics of your house, I love historical architecture.
>>2866184>Sounds like you have a very cool house.>Where I live, concrete houses are the standard. Somehow we manage to have insulation, electricity, climate control, and plumbing.>I would really like to see pics of your house, I love historical architecture.Eh, honestly it's kinda boring, all the cool old stuff has been removed and remodeled over the years, i do like the history and there are some small things that indicate it's age (1785) but it mostly looks like any other more modern house, especially on the inside. This picture is from when I first moved in, it's been cleaned up since. When I was asking about how you do plumbing and electricity, I mean from a DIY perspective, I have done lots of my own plumbing and electrical work over the years but how do you do it yourself when everything is encased in concrete?
>>2866174while u are correct on the insulating properties of concrete, ud need a crazy thick concrete wall to even meet regulationshowever thats a non issueenter reinforced concrete and insulating materials... all the strength, isolation and energetic efficiency ud needhow in tf do u think all modern buildings are builtmoisture is in fact a concern if you dont have a proper foundation, just build shit properly as for ventilation, the pressure differential caused by le wind is enough to take care of it, divisions are planned to promote circulation as the air flow follows the path of least resistance, also crazy concepts such as opening the mf window help kekplumbing wiring and ducting, much to your surprise are accounted for when you build the damn thing, leaving space for such accommodations as >>2866184 said, concrete is the norm for a reason desu, i dont get why ud build a house out of cardboard... american propaganda >t. proud eurofag
Concrete has mindbroken so many people. Sad, we need to bring back brutalism
>>2866187> 1785Some House of Theseus then, even the chimney looks late 1800s
A tornado would destroy a concrete house.
>>2866187just run all the wires and pipes outside the wall duh
>>2866174>How do you insulate it? Concrete is a shit insulatorRead on external wall insulation and cavity walls and all that shit. Objectively better, no need to wrap it in fucking plastic, the dew point is outside.>How do you run wiring and plumbing?You can channel concrete pretty easily. Not that you'd want to because it's a pain in the ass. Just build some metal stud drywall in front of it instead.>How do you ventilate itOpen a fucking window.> Concrete easily gathers moisture and condensation, does not breathe.Waterproofing exists. Capillary action ain't shit really. No one pours a house completely out of concrete anyways, if you do you're insane. OP pic looks like some precast panel shit.>I live in a wooden house that was built in the 1700s and it has survived everything for 300 yearsCool, it also has less insulation than the worst commieblock and you'd have to effectively replace everything but the 2x4s to bring it up to modern standards and then you need a vapor barrier and there goes your longevity claims because the structure can't dry out so good anymore if it ever got wet.My 70s RC column house has the same level of insulation and more modern installations than the average US new build that sells for 1.5 million. Yes they were replaced, it is all possible.
>>2866187>When I was asking about how you do plumbing and electricity, I mean from a DIY perspectiveHere is some piping with insulation on it in a brick wall I just searched it up. If it was concrete it would be much of the same only it'd take you a year to chisel the channels out.
>>2866090You really think someone wants to live in a concrete pillbox, with the size and charm of a 2-car garage? There ARE large, beautiful, stylish concrete houses - they cost a fucking fortune.
>>2866125Like everything, if others aren’t doing it the costs are far, far higher. I’d love to get a metal roof on my house, but since 99% of US residential roofing is asphalt shingles, it isn’t financially feasible. Even if you’re willing to pay the premium on niche materials, the absence of contractors able to do the work makes it a non-starter.
>>2866140yeah hes probably some euro cunt who has that autoclaved trash
>>2866090Like any construction material, how "cheap" it will be depends a lot on where the build site is located in relation to the material supplier and where applicable manufacturing plants that sell to them.The heavier the material is the more transporting it costs and unlike most other common building materials concrete either has to be transported wet which is very heavy and requires specialized equipment, or the dry materials and water (both heavy) have to be transported separately and mixed on site which for anything house sized will also require specialized equipment separate from material for forms, which are another added expense and hassle whether you go traditional or use a system that integrates the forms with insulation.Besides all that, using concrete creates very tight scheduling constraints if you get it brought in wet, and risk of damage if you try to store it dry on site. If everything is in your favor all of this stuff can be no more inconvenient or risky than any other material, but to make it all work you need to know the ins and outs and that's not simple diy stuff at that scale. Finally, if at any time you want to change things, add fenestrations, make additions, add a story, etc. it's the least forgiving and hardest of the typical building materials to work with.All of the above is coincidentally why wood construction is favored throughout the US.
>>2866105bruh, you're thinking of masonry.
>>2866174Concrete has a neat property of self-regulating temperature by taking on and releasing moisture. Might suck in cold climates, but it's great in the tropics. Repairs are a dirty whore though.
>>2866301perhaps, but it would still fare better than any other method of construction. not much is going to survive a tornado.
>>2866429I’m thinking of what we learned from the Haiti quake. Well, some of us learned. Some did not, I guess.
concrete whistands tornados you tard
>>2866460>learning from some 4th world shitholeno wonder US education is garbage lately
>>2866460In Haiti they tend to not use steel in their concrete buildings like most people do, so thats why it`s so bad for them
>>2866534They tend to not have american steel cause they killed boat transport in the golfo
>>2866534In that pic, there is obviously rebar in there. You can see it.>>2866429You’re also supposed to use rebar through hollow block construction.The point remains that it’s well known that earthquakes tend to crack concrete structures, destroys it’s integrity and the aftershocks finish them off.
>can't fix leaks without a sledge hammer and chiselsnah
>>2866125Yeah, the elites want you to feel too ashamed to build your house out of cardboard and duct tape.
>>2866408>that autoclaved trashAny genuine problems with it?>>2866534>they tend to not use steel in their concrete buildings like most people doFucking what??? Dumbass niggers.>>2866598>there is obviously rebar in there. You can see it.I can't but if it is it's certainly lacking.>hollow block construction... Meaning? There is a lot of things that fit under "hollow block construction" you gotta get more specific.
>>2866090>imagine buikding a house that is nearly impossible to remodelstupid anon
>>2866188Euros are really clueless.>wind>just open a window as eurofags drop like flies every heatelwave>plumbing bolted to the walls in true europoor style
>>2866736imagine living in a house made of cardboard and calling someone else poor
>>2866174>>2866187
>>2866090Everything wood that touches the concrete will eventually rot (may take decades with treated wood, but it'll go eventually)Everything made of metal that touches concrete will eventually corrodeAll concrete basements have cracks and leak water therefore all concrete houses will crack and leak water eventually.Sure, the first 5, 10, 25 years are pretty good, but eventually you'll be sorry.It can make a good garden shed.
>>2866174>How do you insulate it?Polystyrene or rockwool>How do you run wiring and plumbing?Under the floor for most of it, making grooves in the walls where needed.>How do you ventilate it?Same way you would a stick frame house. Houses that are properly insulated should not be "breathing" through the walls. That's exactly how you cause condensation in there whenever it is cold outside and warm inside.
>>2868600What kind of foundation does your house have? Is it not concrete?
>>2866293Masonry is incredibly difficult to date
>>2866460>Concrete building salesman slaps side of collapsed concrete building This bad boy can hold so many corpses
>>2866090Concrete doesn't flex, so any shifting of the structure leads to cracking.
>>2866090>Cheapnot compared to wood.
>>2866090I don't want to stay in the world war 2 rape shed ever please
>>2866341>it'd take you a year to chisel the channels out.thats what the apprentence and the good ol TE-75 is for. that poor guy can give himself a stranger after work .
>>2866460if you want to learn about quake resist concrete building ask the Chileans and not some niggers in an island lol
>>2866424????noone builds a house out of bagged concreteits either blocks or pouredWood is favored because you get illegal mexicans to slap it together and any issues is Not Their Problem
>>2866090Because they last longer and they hold their value, so there is less stuff to repair and it hurts the trades economy of people who go fix up wood based and wood based brick houses. It's bad for the economy.
>>2866338>Cool, it also has less insulation than the worst commieblock and you'd have to effectively replace everything but the 2x4s to bring it up to modern standards and then you need a vapor barrier and there goes your longevity claims because the structure can't dry out so good anymore if it ever got wet.This nigga thinks we still have vapour barrier's and don't have closed cell spray foam.
>>2866090>stigma with concreteWith slab and footings under grade; make sure to vibrate the concrete, water-seal and use a Dimple-Mat as the Vapor-Barrier to better neutralize hydrostatic pressure.ALSO remember, washed drainage-aggregate and French drainage within Geo-Fabric...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLkbpraC4Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frlZmN_Ahnkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUMfc2Ft100https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zlqTfM68Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YOIzEzEwWohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojFS63m7zI4
>>2868450Is your Dad able to give us any inside scoops as to what's going on in the world politically?
Is there a word or a term for building a home without plumbing in the foundation? It would hurt me to see my home's foundation being torn up for some $20 plumbing issue on some brittle plastic pipe. Thinking about having a bando or a concrete home built, but I don't want to run plumbing in the foundation. What are some alternatives or things I can google to get some ideas?
>>2866613Not an issue if you don't bury pipes and conduit
>>2869576above floor plumbing
>>2866460I live on an island not too far from Haiti. Those columns are tiny. Inspectors would have not let that happen here.Only a fool would build their house out of board because it would blow away every 3 years. Most hurrican damage tends to be the metal on wood roof. Even the USCG base here lost their roof and they brought in their own people to design it to category 5 specs but it let go with a cat 4. The RCB or cast structures usually stay unless there is a flaw. Any board house that isnt in a protected valley tends to only have the foundation remaining.>inb4 board is better against wind because it flexesHere it used to be the other way around. Poor people couldnt afford RCB houses so they would knock up a lap board house for quite cheap and arguably more comfortable. However since the coof lumber prices have doubled so no one can afford it, lmao
>>2868645What is "planned obsolescence", oh clever philosopher.Concrete is sand aggregate, Bible literally says don't build on sand. enough said.
>>2869682Hoover dam is still strengthening. Hasnt finished curing yet.Just because your basement was made by someone who thinks soup makes good concrete doesnt mean it is a poor building material
>>2869683>T. Mortgage Jew>Build your foundation out of sand Goy. See you again in 30 years for your next Mortgage.
>>2869683>Its because you wasn't flooding your basement with river water, crystalizing that calcium, so its not in the warranty Goy.
>>2869684>>2869685>t. AmericanWho even has a "warranty" on a house? Never fucking heard that one before.4 story hotels built incorporating the foundations of small single story houses built in the 60's because the original foundation was way overspec of the new build.
>>2869686>Who even has a "warranty" on a house?whu?>Never fucking heard that one before.whu?
>>2866174>insulateTree/glass fiber>ventilateBig fans if the problem ever occursAlso, you guys aren't focusing on the real problem of concrete that the masses don't want to hear; it's radioactive.
>>2866090>Water Proofing concrete..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-fxnswPLB4Usually, water proofing the below grade concrete is not enough to stop hydrostatic forces forcing water into/thru the concrete..Water will still penetrate into existing cracks and future cracks because concrete always continues to crack..Usually this is solved by water-proofing the exterior below grade concrete, then fixing a Dimple-Mat over it and backfilling with washed 3/4inch drainage stone and draining it via a French-Drain within geo-fabric .BUT... is this dude claiming his magic SUPERSLURRY negates the need for a Dimple-Mat to negate hydrostatic (therefore capillary) forces?https://americandry.com/basement-waterproofing/claims made at 2min 6sechttps://youtu.be/g-fxnswPLB4?t=126
>>2869747We just drill holes every foot and then high pressure inject those with a very thin polymer mixture (I guess it’s epoxy). It seeps into the cracks and pores and hardens there.
>>2869689We call it a retention period. 10% held back on the project.
>>2869683>dam is still strengthening. Hasnt finished curingIt'll be weaker when it finishes curing.
>>2869751>We just drill holes every foot and then high pressure inject those with a very thin polymer mixture (I guess it’s epoxy). It seeps into the cracks and pores and hardens there.I think that's a separate thing (hydro-active gel)..Below at 4min49sechttps://youtu.be/qQYUV0H26Zg?t=289So, they have 3 next-gen level products:[-] SUPPERSLURRY (water-proofing)[-] (hydro-active gel)[-] SUPERCRETE
>>2869823> weaker when finished curingNo, the concrete itself will be stronger.However, it will also shrink and crack, which does have an overall negative impact on strength.
>>286968913 weeks warranty for house kek in Germany its 5 years or 260 weeks that's 20 times as long >>2869823pic rel in 1972 they tested concrete blocks made and pressure tested in 1942 and tested them again. (probs to the engineer that watered the concrete blocks every 2 weeks when the area was a active war zone in ww2) >>2869943they did not tested elasticity in 1942 but the e-module the concrete had in 72 was still a bit higher than what the code requires for new concrete.
>>2870825and here is some test row from the us which lasted 50 years. after 25 years of getting stronger the concrete lost a bit of strengt during the next 25 years. these blocks were stored outside and subjeted to frost and thawing. block d was stored inside
>>2870828pic the us concrete
concrete without some added materiel in it has poor sound isolation. although wood is probably worse i don't know how it works in burgerland
ALL concrete is piss weak gay garbage!!Its porous allowing moisture to wick thru it migrating the lime to inside the structure causing efflorescence staining and structural weakening, as well as absorbs water then freeze & thaw expands & contracts; thus cracking and rusting the rebar that expands with oxidation thus further cracks, chipping out the loosened concrete allowing greater exposure of the rebar to moisture resulting in more rusting & heavier rust staining.Its complete junk!!The only concrete water-proofing in the world that converts all the concrete into a non-porous product thus 100% eliminating all concrete/moisture problems is a proprietary trade secret that none of you retards will ever get your hands on..https://americandry.com/supercrete-and-superslurry/Decades of R&D, and you're all as every bit useless as you were originally.
>>2871038Water absorbing powder like from diapers is common in pre mixed concrete, waterproofing and sealing seems like a water glass component. I am skeptical about concrete merging with already hardened concrete I generally apply or add an epoxy to get the two pours, separated by time, to stick.If I wanted to make my own supercrete should I include a seasonal time release like a paraffin wax and mineral oil mix for phase change near average winter lows?
>>2871049sound like a guessing halfwit.
This is the most schizo thread on the board atm
>>2866341>If it was concrete it would be much of the same only it'd take you a year to chisel the channels out.I once worked in construction and was doing exactly that - chiseling channels for electric wiring and outlets in concrete walls. Holy fuck it took forever. I quit the job after a couple weeks because it was so fucking miserable.
>>2866341why don't you use a wall chaser?
>>2866090In what world are they cheaper than brick and concrete houses?
>>2869684>posts limestone bridge>doesn't know cement is made from limestone
>>2866341Many interior walls could be something else, and if we’re going in on industrial brutalist – why hide the pipes? Run them open on the ceiling so they can’t get banged up easy but leave them open and visible.
>>2869683>Hoover dam is still strengthening. Hasnt finished curing yet. Sounds like some made up reddit bs
>>2871038bloody hell i even posted >>2870829 concrete laying 50y in the outdoors without getting much weakened.also efflorescence is not caused by lime or pure water it is caused by nitrates so only if you piss at your wall or have a leaky sewage pipe next to the foundation it happens.Europe pours WU concrete basements left and right noways the right aggregate and water/cement ratio and you have a basement watertight without the need of any bitumen/tar dimple board or proprietary slurry. >>2871181did a quick google search the first result was it would theoretically take 125y for the concrete to cure, theoretically because practically the concrete would get way to hot causing cracks and weakening the structure so the old guys put steel pipes inside the dam and ran coolant through them.
>>2871187>my concrete cock spend 50yrs under zero stress load and collected welfare.Yes, concrete efflorescence can contain lime. Efflorescence is a white, crystalline deposit of salts that forms on the surface of concrete. These salts often include calcium carbonate, which can come from lime in the cement. When water moves through the concrete, it dissolves these salts and then deposits them on the surface as the water evaporateYes, Concrete efflorescence can contain lime, which is formed by the hydration reaction between Portland cement and water[Definitions]“Efflorescence” is a crystalline deposit of salts, usually white, that forms on or near the surface of concrete, masonry and cementitious products. It forms when soluble salts are dissolved by water migrating through the cementitious material and then precipitated at its surface by chemical reaction or by evaporation of the salt solution. Efflorescence usually consists of carbonates of calcium, sodium and potassium originating from the cement, but can also consist of salts from the surrounding environment. Iron oxides from the concrete can give the efflorescence a yellow/brown tint. “Primary efflorescence”, sometimes called “lime bloom”, develops as a whitish bloom or colour fade during setting and curing of the concrete or mortar. It is related to evaporation of the water used to mix the fresh concrete. “Secondary efflorescence”, sometimes called “lime weeping” or “salt crystallisaton” develops later. It is related largely to water from external sources migrating through the concrete, and may appear as a uniform discoloration or as localised encrustations where water exits the concrete. “Cryptoflorescence” forms below the surface and is not visible unless the crystal growth is sufficient to cause surface scaling.
>>2866090>Why is there a huge stigma with concrete houses?its the pro-termite lobby talking shit.
>>2866174>I live in a wooden house that was built in the 1700s>CREEEEEEEEEEKAS I WAS SAYING>CREEEEEEEEEDONT STEP THERE!!!!!
>>2871187>My faggotty Gay swimming pool concrete admixture of Low water-cement ratio using less water in the mix to reduce the number of capillary pores, supplementary cementitious materials (SCMs); Adding materials like fly ash or silica fume to improve density, and incorporating special waterproofing admixtures that block pores and capillaries.Water-resistant concrete is designed to significantly reduce the permeability, but it's not 100% impermeable, especially if it's under high pressure or prolonged exposure.Lots of shit in the USA is falling apart in spite of using your gay water resistant Euro-concrete cock admixture cocktail recipes.ALSO try regularly stressing/straining your concrete when testing its longevity.. Sitting on your arse for 50yrs doesn't doesn't exactly flex open fractures for water to penetrate.
>>2871187American Dry's superslurry/supercrete is the real deal, your gay shit is faggotty Euro-poor slops.
Pic of the rebar rusting in my neighbor's waterproof concrete swimming pool.>What experts claim as waterproof concrete!!lmao, Euro-poor slop.
>>2869019>TE-75Searched this up and the first result was a garbage disposal KEKAt least the second result was the Hilti I assume you are talking about.>>2871114That just makes 2 thin grooves you still have to chisel out.>>2871150>Run them open on the ceiling so they can’t get banged up easyThe PPR used there is pretty solid though.>but leave them open and visible.Yeah but that's just niggerlicious.
>>2872032>That just makes 2 thin grooves you still have to chisel out.No, you stack multiple blades in them.You're confusing it with your mommy's sex toys.
>>2872036Oh shit. That's good.
The stigma is that they last longer than a cardboard house and hold their value better than a cardboard house that will need repairs worth a quarter or two of the house after 30 years. It's also not good for the house repair economy, plumbing, electrical, woodworkers, etc. because it lasts and holds up pretty well.
>>2872117How is plumbing and electrical related to what the walls are made of? It's the same plumbing and the same wires whether you build from wood, cement, brick or fucking clay
>>2866105>earthquake
>>2866090Depends some areas concrete is expensive. Also depends on what type of concrete your using too some mixes like ECC will handle earthquakes better but the cost is rather high. But the government doesn't like concrete walls due to it blocking thermals.
we associate them with thirdies
>>2866090makes europeans seethe because not everyone lives on a climate controlled continent like them.
Hey fagonauts, news flash:If you want an incredibly strong, cheap and readily available home invest in a fucking quonset or nissen hut
it doesnt breathe, they smell moldy after a handful of decades
