OP going first -- I just have a bunch of shit in Ryobi because I'm a casual and it honestly works for everything I've ever had to do in my casual woodworking and home DIY life. The nonlinear trigger sucks but I can deal with it for the cost savings I have on all the tools I own honestly.

Also I just like green lol

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Makita because I am Anime Pro.

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>>2870451
Ridgid: because they sold me a brushless hammer drill, brushless impact driver, brushless full size sawzall, and 2x 4Ah batteries for $199 during the holiday season. Milwaukee and DeWalt both wanted $300-$400 for the same deal, and for <$200 they would give you a basic brushed drill, impact driver, and 2 small batteries.

Ridgid 12V… I was dumb and should’ve returned it a week later when the M12 went on sale with a free bare tool for $25 more.

Ryobi 18V because they have so much random household crap for dirt cheap and tons of yard tools. I was unwilling to spend $100+ on basic LED lights that sit on top of 18V batteries.

>>2870451
>Ryobi 18V
>affordable
>no real need for higher grade tools 99% of the time
>wide range of compatible tools

>>2870451
I did a bunch of research before I chose Milwaukee 10 years ago, but now I can't remember why. I kinda wish I'd have gone with something else.

>>2870451
I got into Milwaukee because they had the absolute beast High-Torque 1/2" drive impact back in the day. Also their M18 grease gun is tits/10.

>>2870451
Milwaukee because they have a bunch tools for my bullshit specific trade, but I like how smol the m12 stuff is.

>>2870451
Makita (and some corded Festool/Mafell shit) because their woodworking tools are the best, plus, nobody steals my shit because they all use DeWalt or Milwaukee

Milwaukee. I hadn't started my tool collection yet, , it was Christmas and my future-wife and I were walking through HD. She bought me a drill/impact/hackzall combo pack since she hadn't gotten me Christmas present yet. Honestly love both the drills and the hackzall. I did however get into the ryobi family due to needing a pole saw. Ryobi does good enough, but Milwaukee has a reputation for a reason in my anecdotal evidence.

>>2870451
if i had to pick it would be makita simply because they are still one company with less bloat and overhead, vs. all the rest which are owned by some giant chinese conglomerate.

that being said i got like a 10 tool m18 milwaukee deal on sale for fathers day for like $500 and it came with 2 batteries, i didnt even think i needed all the tools i just couldnt pass that up, sure enough ive used the fuck out of every tool that came in that kit. they have been abused, covered in mud and mortar, left in the rain, and still work fine. no ragrets.

The guys I worked with had the other colors

>>2870554
>it would be makita simply because they are still one company with less bloat and overhead
I don’t understand this argument, it’s not necessarily a good thing. Of all the major power tool brands, Makita has been the absolute worst with compatibility and battery design since everybody got on lithium. A big company that wants to make money and chooses to grow by being dominant with the best products in their industry isn’t a bad thing for the consumer at all.

>>2870594
>it’s not necessarily a good thing
It's good when companies don't sell out to globohomo completely and aren't making every single tool and component in China. It's good even if you end up with a marginally inferior product, not that Makita is actually inferior in present day.
>but think of the battery compatibility in the largest 18V platform in the world
Their old batteries were shit, but the new ones have been around for long enough that you don't have to scratch your head about what might or might not work.

>>2870597
>aren’t making every single tool and component in China
>makita
Anon I got bad news for you man.

>>2870597
See >>2870601

Also I’m not talking about the battery cells being shit, they use the same cells as all the other brands. I’m talking about compatibility. For example…

Makita releases 12V lithium batteries like the Milwaukee-Bosch style, they release like 4 tools for that battery, then discontinue it. They release a 12V slide pack for no reason. The obvious thought would be “Oh they’re making it easier to have one charger like DeWalt and Hercules do, and even early Craftsman V20 chargers were 12V/20V in anticipation of releasing 12V tools” but Makita didn’t do that. Despite it being common practice with 12V slide pack tool lines, you needed a 12V ONLY charger. And then Makita only released a couple tools on that lineup because they suck.

Then there’s the 18V lineup… the early tools had compatibility issues with yellow tab/ black tab/ star and non-star batteries and tools, you couldn’t use all 18V batteries on all 18V tools. And then when they wanted more powerful tools, they came out with 36V tools using 2x18V batteries, and this ensured that Makita could never use 21700 cells in their 18V battery packs because they wouldn’t fit those tools, and they never did 3S 18650 battery packs like 9.0Ah 18V packs, so anybody with Makita 18V was stuck with 5.0Ah batteries or 6.0Ah if they were willing to take a small hit on peak performance.

So then Makita realeased the 40V lineup… and those batteries are basically the same as Milwaukee’s larger 18V packs with 10x 21700 cells. Lots of the 40V tools are the same as the 18V versions but cost more money and require more expensive batteries.

And once again, the bare minimum Makita could do was allow the 40V charger to work with 18V packs as well for the suckers who were running 18V LXT tools and didn’t want to replace all of it when they got on a couple 40V tools… but Makita didn’t do that. It would be so damn simple, but they decided to sell a retarded adapter instead

What about Metabo

It's hard to settle. I install all kinds of flooring, trim, cabinets, etc etc. Use to do renovation framing. Before that just drywall hanging and mudding. I also make specific use functional custom furniture sometimes. On top of everything else DIY for myself and my household and family.
I still have corded table saw, skillsaw, miter saw, planer, sanders, sawzall and mixer drill being Makita. My rotozip is corded rotozip branded. Jigsaw is corded Bosch.
Drill and impact are on Milwaukee M18 because they were on sale and still outlasted my other cordless drill and impacts. I use a multitool a lot so I switched to Fein, which has ampshare Bosch batteries. My laser is M12 three-plane. Impact wrenches are M12 and M18. Brad nailer is M18. Grinder is Fein corded and just recently got the ampshare cordless from them too. And so on.
I have M18, M12 and Bosch AmpShare batteries. It generally covers any new tool I need from one of those three platforms. And if not, there's a corded or gas powered version.
I've recently been tempted by smol 125mm Japanese only Makita cordless circular saw.
Becoming multiplatform in my humble opinion and experience is inevitable. One will dominate, but there are some tools from the others that are just too good to pass on because of one new battery and charger.

>>2870451
>choice
Ryobi
>reason
Got a good start with sales etc and picked up most of my stuff for literally 5x less than the others cost and they're good enough. The anti-theft highlighter green is a nice bonus.
That said I do have a few Dewalt tools (impact wrench, sawzall, chainsaw) and even a Milwaukee M12 drill+impact set, but ~80% of my cordless tools are Ryobi.

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>>2870451
I chose DeWalt, just dropped 1k, because its was the closest to not made by CCP that I could find. I hope now that Trump will be president, that Stanly Black and Decker, will reopen their Craftsman tool plant in Fort Worth, and DeWalt plant in Fort Mills.

>>2870623
Bad availability in the US. The Metabo HPT stuff had some dirt cheap deals at Lowe’s, but you have to decide if the savings is worth not being able to use those batteries on 100 different tools like Milwaukee, DeWalt, or Ryobi.

>>2870451
Milwaukee because that's what my employer buys us. So when i need batteries or a new tool, I just swap them out with the ones at work and tell the bossman to buy a new one :)

My dad gave me a bunch so i use those

>>2870451
I got ryobi and it's shit.
Hilti is much better.

>>2870659
SB&D actually run their own factories in china.
This is slightly better than other manufacturers that just contract out stuff to chinese randos yearly.
The dewalt factories in the US are for show, they just screw the two made-in-china clamshells together and slap on the stickers.
It’s actually cheaper to make the cardboard boxes in the US, so they’re boxed here too.

Ryobi makes a lot of things in Vietnam. They probably have the longest-lived 18V battery standard, so that’s a good choice.

Travelling around asia, Makita is, pretty universally, the most cloned brand by far. It’s hard to buy a real one.

Ryobi

>price
>not used daily
>rampant theft

Using other peoples makitas and Milwaukees i can see why you would definitely go for either if you were a tradie but i am not.

>>2870816
> rampant theft
You’re the only one that ever mentioned that. You must actually be in the trades. I’ve never worn out a tool, I’ve always lost them one or two years in on average. And by “lost” I mean probably stolen.

>>2870451
Milwaukee but I only have corded tools. Rugged and capable of working in the shit.

>>2870451
It seems like Makita is the only company of the 4 that is constantly innovating each year trying different things. But they also discontinue a lot of their old products I think? It's either between Makita or Milwakee, Dewalt has gone down hill in innovation and is just sticking to the already established tools and overpricing them because of their brand recognition.

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>>2870843
Just a small glimpse

>>2870823
Not all of us work with degenerate thieves. My co-workers are my son and wife, and probably someday my daughter. Not saying we aren't degenerates, but at least we're not thieves!

>>2870847

It doesnt have to be your co workers.

>>2870823

I am not actually trade. More like an unqualified low level project manager/project fixer. I get called in when shits gone real bad and i come in with a team and set shit straight. But it is usually when the client is trying to get rid of the contractor or relieve them of some of the project so there is often some animosity.

Its third world so I usually have to provide/allocate tools. My stuff is spray painted rustoleum berry pink. Very specific and I have had some faggot in a corner over a shovel that he said his boss gave him the spray to spray it. But since i started with the colour scheme a lot less goes missing. I have only had 2 battery grinders, 1 impact driver and 1 battery rotary hammer fail on me. Most recent power tool theft was a corded Ryobi 9" grinder that was an actual beast. Everyone fought over that, even lazy men got to work when they had that. Had it for 7 years.

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>>2870451
DeWalt. I like the design and feel, and while they may not be the number one tool in any particular category, but they're usually always in the top few in testing results. Plus the extensive selection of options.

Which is also why I'm looking at Milwaukee's 12v for a number of specialized tools you don't need as much power for.

>>2870659
Trump didn't do jack shit for US manufacturing in his first term, and isn't in his next.

>>2870806
Most of the top-end DeWalt tools are made in Mexico, with secondary stuff like vacuums in Vietnam. Of my DW stuff the only Made In China is a portable power brick/jump starter.

>>2870843
>It seems like Makita is the only company of the 4 that is constantly innovating each year trying different things.
A lot of that is just stupid bullshit like the coffee maker, while DW and Mil make things that are actually useful.

The vast majority of line contractors in CA and NV all run Milwaukee tools, it was heavily pushed during my appretniship and they gave me free stuff.

>>2870935
He will in his third

>>2870947
> donnie’s third trimester
fucking kek!

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>>2870451
I chose DeWalt because of easily accessible third party parts and Everytime I ever contacted dewalt it is a pain in the ass but u always come out ahead.
I bought a plunge cutter and the trigger broke. they sent me a new one and told me to keep the old one. ordered a 2 dollar trigger off Alibaba and had 2 brand new plunge cutters.

I had one negative experience with a DeWalt Bluetooth speaker where they sold their name to a third party. it was a month before a replacement and I shipped the other one back, which is fine, but annoying.
dewalt is just the best bang for My buck. it has its drawbacks. nothing beats pack out and the tough system 2.0 kinda sucks in a lot of regards. but it beats bags. which was what I was doing.

if I was rich I'd probably buy Milwaukee and not repair them when they fail. but DeWalt is easy to fix, easy to use, easy to work with, and easy to find parts for.


careful of knockoffs. they tend to have alot. Im sure all brands do.

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>>2870823
bro someone walked out of a building with my tape measure once and I was throwing wood scrap out the window at him to let him know to walk that shit back in.

I Dip my fingers in paint and ink my finger print on all my shit and put a florescent color on all my tools.

I will hunt someone for stealing my shit

>>2870935
The tariffs on Chinese imports he started have remained mostly in place over the Biden administration, encouraging manufacturers to shift production away from China, including to the US.

>>2870451
Whatever I need and is on sale.

>>2871047
No, those mostly just cost Americans extra, Chinese trade production has been consistent.

>>2871065
Real talk.
Brand whores are as bad as sportsball whores.
Make sure you buy a Tshirt for you're favorite Chinese factory so you can advertise them for free.

>>2871040
>toughsystem kind of sucks
Sucks how badly? I was debating getting a combo kit that has some dewalt tools and the toughsystem base. I had heard packout is way better, but I’ve also heard packout sucks compared to rigid and some other brands since they refused to update and the market caught up. Is the toughsystem so bad that it’s not worth it at like half off? I could prob get rigid or kobakt for roughly the same price, or is dewslt just bad compared to packout?

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>>2870451
my father had already bought a bunch of ryobi stuff, so i bought some too so i could use his tools with my batteries. i'm not really a loyalist with any of it. i'm not a professional and use my stuff on weekend projects. i've only destroyed one ryobi drill doing something i shouldn't have with it (cutting a 4"dia hole saw through 1950's subfloor and wood flooring) it basically almost caught fire and burned up.

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>>2871091
it doesn't suck enough to where I wouldn't recommend it. but out of box I had box not latch unless I hit the latch.

id buy it again honestly. but you can see design flaws

a really stupid minor one is that the latches kind of pop when your unlock them. if your just snap them open like I do your can clock your fingers with the metal latch flying back, it stings for like 10 minutes and pisses me off, I started cupping my hand on the latch when it opens so it doesn't pop.


when I say it sucks, I mean design wise compared to pack out. it's 10x better than lugging around bags. I dropped my stack one day and one of the yellow locks popped off. I thought I broke it but I think they are designed to break away, I reseated it with the spring and never had an issue and couldn't even tell you which latch it was.

gets heavy fast too. doorways suck when your pack is 300lbs and it's got a inch step in, but the wheels do just fine if you go slow and just lift. if you try to jump it through it will shift in some direction into the door jam and crush your hand or so i would assume cause I'm not stupid and that didn't happen to me.

I paid 181$ for the 3 black boxes, I bought the other 2 clear small parts individually.
id buy them all again probably. id recommend them for tradies who don't want a small rob me sign rather than a big one (pack out) but under the review i just gave.


I'm more or less just bitching about quality of life honestly. they arnt that bad. mad I cut to cut my own dividers. wtf DeWalt
the batteries line up so nice and are always right there.
before I cut that divider everything was kinda just free sliding.


not gonna lie, if you use it like a dolly in genuinely surprised at how little shifting there is in the boxes, all my tools are exactly where set them in 9/10 times aside from maybe a pencil.

I'll get a shot of my hand tool box in a minute. it's in the truck.

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>>2871091
I hope this clarifies my bitching.

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overall, it's so fucking minor.l given it's utility.

full disclose i'm white trash and I only work like 20 hours a week or so. when I'm working im a free lance contractor/ laborer.

I'm a half tradie.

Started with Milwaukee because that's what Dad always bought, but within the last 5 years I went makita. I remember years before dropping a company owned makita impact from fairly high up onto a concrete slab and it still working just fine.

Through my apprenticeship I burnt up several of the cheaper Milwaukee brushed 18v impacts, and while I still got money's worth, I felt Makita quality to be better.

Though irrelevant, I like how Makita basically invented cordless drills, and because they have always been an Asian company, them making stuff in China isn't as bad as an American company like Milwaukee doing it.

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>>2871148
Nice, thanks for the review. I might wait a little to see if there’s gonna be any big Black Friday sales, but barring some too-good-to-pass up deal I’ll prob go with dewalt. Honestly just don’t care enough about it to min-max every single dollar, and this seems like a decent deal if you’re gonna switch battery systems like me. It’s pic related for 500
>small rob me sign instead of large
That’s a good point I didn’t think of, if I got packout I’d prob end up spray painting the whole thing
>latches pop too hard
Hopefully they got that balance worked out, but I wonder if it’s something you could fix with a little dremel work by feel?

>>2871165
I started with Ryobi but ryobi tools kept failing. I was under the impression I didn't needs a tool that worked harder than me.
apparently I work harder than Ryobi. when I switched platforms I did it slowly and used a battery converter to use my Ryobi batteries on DeWalt.

i always said nothing is quality anymore but in a world of cheap plastic shit. dewalt ain't bad.
big plus is that I can get parts for self repair. Ryobi was impossible for source parts for.

I almost went with rigid, but settled in dewalt because of my handiness and the after market repair options.

I like to bypass the safety switch on a few tools because they fuck up My hand feel on the cut.

hope i didn't overload you. I have autism.

>>2871165
kits are nice, but I'm so particular about tools anymore I'd get upset that the wrong plunge cutter was in the kit.

idk if this is true but DeWalt tools should average to me: (think drills, impacts, plunge cutters)
120-150$ msrp most tools
about 100$ per tool average
A great deal is 80$

when you get to the higher end tools the numbers go to. (think rotary hammer, belt sander, high end metal cut off)
350$ msrp
200$ average
170$ deal.


I try to get batteries at 10$ per AH.
I really like the power stacks but I'm a princess.
about 15$ per AH

again a Appalachian hillman.

>>2871165
I almost bought ryobis mobile tool system because of the "rob me" sign.

I'm found of sleepers. (pc, car etc).

imagine stealing a Ryobi tool box opening it up and there is Milwaukee.

>>2871165
this is what I mean by then popping too hard.

just don't put your finger in it's path.
I tend to push my thumb up into it.
>>2871158

>>2871161
this I assume will wear itself down eventually.

>>2870451
I have makita but I wish they made battery powered nailers

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>>2871091
What sold me on it is the cart you can get. It's a heavy duty, all metal one, while the closest other systems have is a really weak plastic one from Milwaukee.

It's missing some of the fancy "mount extra stuff to it" features Packout or Flex have, but I think I chose well.

>>2870451
Makita, because at the specific moment in time I decided it was time to buy some cordless tools, makita had the best bundles and bogos. Kinda wished I had waited a little longer and bought into Dewalt though, makita has basically abandoned their 18v line for their 40v line

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>>2871188
>>2871246
Kek. Regretful Makita owners. I feel ya though, I felt the same way with the Ridgid 12V.

My suggestion, go get yourself a Ryobi 18V starter kit and add lime green to your teal for the stuff you want. It doesn’t hurt as bad and you can run Makita drills and saws and feel like your main tools are from a reputable company.

>>2871042
based tool protecterer

>>2870451
I bought makita because it was the first cordless drill that actually lasted a long time and worked good. it was also the only usable one at the time.

I still buy them, but now also buy chinese knockoffs because I'm a cheap bastard.

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>>2871252
that's how I fix stuff. if you take my tools, you're condemning my house and life.
id shoot someone over it if I was mad enough, but chances are I'd just beat someone badly and take my shit back standard.
maybe spit on them.

erase the fluorescent paint and find out what other kind of markers and tracks I have. let me find you on another job site with my shit.

I work on these tools, my initials are etched internally along with black light paint markings in crevices and hard to erase places.


these are mine, everyone will know and you can't wash the stink of theft from them.
humans are animals and will take the path of least resistance, go steal someone else's tools, cause I'm not the easiest guy to work with.

I worked as a butcher for years as a career before returning to the woods.
long story short we had theft. I saw. I couldn't prove it.

I filled the guys monster can with 20% chicken juice (salmonella shake) and I assume he puked up everything he stole for about 2 or 3 weeks.

I will get you. We live in a fuck around find out world.

>>2871237
what do you keep in the drawers?

>>2871303
1: a couple small saws (folding Ryoba and small flush trim), hammers, screwdrivers, allen keys, utility and marking knife. General stuff.
2: Sandpaper
3: Tape, a sharpening guide kit for chisels and plane irons.
4: Hole saw kit, router bits, jigsaw blades, assorted small router parts
5: Bench Dog no5 Jack Plane, Rali smoothing plane, roll of chisels

>>2871312
that makes sense.

they are individualized? if I flipped it upside down, would stuff in drawer 3 go to drawer 2 or 1?

I've seen them and I'm curious.
drawers ever piss you off? I'm the autistic princess who went out and spent 40 minutes figuring out how to record a video and convert it to a gif just to bitch about a latch.

>>2871319
> and spent 40 minutes figuring out how to record a video and convert it to a gif
I, for one, appreciate the effort.

>>2870451
I just buy whatever is currently on sale from a local chinesium dealer. I have 3 of their cordless screwdrivers, one is 7 yo, one I found in a dumpster and repaired and the last one I bought last month since it was up for 20$ with a battery.
Brandfags cope and seethe

>did a trade in my 20s
>used milwaukee
>wasn't common in aus back then
>really impressed, this shit took a proper beating
>leave the trade so get myself a kit for home
>add a few extra tools here and there but it's still mega costly just for home shed tools

Now it's been a good decade and I cant help but wonder if I should've just stuck with ryobi. They were shit back then but now they're 99% all I'd ever need out of a tool.

Could have twice as many skins for what Ive paid for milwaukee tools.

Wat do?

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>>2871069
>mostly
>>2870935
>jack shit
So you already know where you went wrong.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2024/04/24/manufacturing-companies-are-bringing-work-back-to-the-u-s-from-asia/71931591007/
https://fortune.com/2023/10/07/manufacturing-returning-to-usa-boom-times-builders-sterling-infrastructure/

>>2871365
you didn't miss out. I bought Ryobi and I had a saw and a drill fail within a year.
a Bluetooth speaker has its button press in and never come out and had a battery fail because of a stupid little metal tab on the clip.

I'm glad I got away from it before I was in for thousands. Ryobi is fine, but it's boomer fine the way chicken nuggets are fine compared to grilled chicken.

you see it everywhere cause they are dumping cheap shit everywhere. I say this not even shitting on Ryobi. it feels like a step between Walmart and DeWalt before you get to Milwaukee.

I'm the white trash fuck above.

>>2871365
stick to Milwaukee and just buy higher quality less often.
if you need a throw away tool get a cheap Amazon no name that take Milwaukee's batteries.

>>2871351
thanks. I like learning. now if I ever need it I have a method to record and send a small size file gif to someone.

people been spending a lot of time on me in a 3d printing thread so I should return effort.

>>2871319
>they are individualized? if I flipped it upside down, would stuff in drawer 3 go to drawer 2 or 1?
I think stuff would stay in the same drawers. I've never had that issue with the latch, either.

>>2871367
Why lie about this? Those aren't thanks to Trump in any way.

>>2871404
I assume my latch was a quality control issue. but it should be mentioned because of quality control.

thank you for answering.

>>2871484
I mean, mine pop a bit hard too on the XL box, but that's to be expected of a latch that actually seals the case with a gasket.

>>2870451
Im lazy that's why

>>2870451
I haven't chosen a brand at this point. Just still running ac tools from various brands, mostly hazard fart specials.

>>2871640
So lazy you didn't include which brand you bought.

>>2870752
Makes me want to watch home improvement.

>>2871639
I misunderstood.
I thought we were talking about the latch on the side that won't latch without me touching it.

the opening issue with it being too hard is a strictly me issue. like I said, just move my thumb or rest my palm on the latch as open it.

the front latch isn't a quality control issue, their suppose to be that tight.

>>2870451
obviously whichever the most diverse yootoober tells me to buy

>>2871405
>Those aren't thanks to Trump in any way.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2024/04/24/manufacturing-companies-are-bringing-work-back-to-the-u-s-from-asia/71931591007/
>"Tariffs of up to 50% on foreign-made washing machines, imposed in 2018 and which expired in early 2023, boosted U.S. appliance making as GE and Korean manufacturers Samsung and LG opened or expanded plants in Kentucky, South Carolina and Tennessee."
>general point that manufacturers have been moving production from China to the US due to factors including tariffs on Chinese goods

https://fortune.com/2023/10/07/manufacturing-returning-to-usa-boom-times-builders-sterling-infrastructure/
>"That’s as private companies announced $516 billion of investments since President Joe Biden took office, according to White House figures last updated September 26. That half a trillion dollars is less a catalyst and more the escalation of a trend that started gaining traction during the Trump administration. “The trade war [with China] was the first big shock,”"
>"The appeal of nearshoring will likely grow as US-China relations remain tense. President Biden has allowed Trump-era tariffs on Chinese goods to continue"
>similar general point to previous aricle

Any questions?

>>2871695
Good luck with the the incoming inflation from mass adoption of tariffs on everything, dumbfuck.

>>2870953
He'll be aborted before that happens

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>>2870451
>ITT: Why you chose your tool ecosystem
Duh.
Because it's the best (the best! the best! the
best!)!
No but seriously, according to the internet Milwokee M12 seems to be quite powerful for a 12V system and they where the first that had a set without filler tools at a good price when I wanted to get some battery tools after buying a house and I wanted something light and compact, yet powerful enough for some serious use.
And so far, yeah, they're decent for the upper end of homeowner tier tools. Don't know if I'd trust them for pro tier. Their "only heavy duty" feels more like marketing.
So I've got the second M, Metabo.
Now that's heavy duty!
Also, I really like the fact that you get a manual with your stuff that actually explains things and not just a few pictures of things that you can figure out anyways as you get with Milwaukee, without any explantion about stuff like WHAT THE FUCKING BLINKING PATTERNS MEAN WHEN THE TOOL CUTS OUT!
But for light duty, Milkyway is fine.

When the last set of batteries for my old Panasonic finally gave up the ghost, I got Ryobi 18v because of the price point, easily available locally, and the large selection of non-construction stuff they have for around the house. Bought first set 5 years ago, built a house with it. Only issues so far are a crunchy chuck on the old brushed drill/driver and one dead battery pack after 4 years. Had picked up a newer brushless to replace it, but once I got the Ridgid it just becomes the handy second drill with whatever specialty bit I will occasionally need on the project (usually countersink or self-centering bit).

Got da Ridgid 18v track saw because I handled it and saw it was leaps-and-bounds ahead of the Ryobi (fucking plastic baseplate and wing-nut adjustments). Like them alot, so slowly replacing high-use stuff with Ridgid during the better sales events.

Got da Milwaukee 12v drill/driver/impact-driver set because of a well priced deal a couple Black Fridays ago (honestly the really nice tool-bag it came with was one sealed the deal). Very convenient small size is great for random light-duty and electrical stuff. It is what stays in my go-bag of tools that is always in the car. Also been replacing hand tools with Milwaukee as they break/wear-out. Have spent 30 years with grab-bags of random tools I got cheap, decided to just become a brand whore. Haven't been disappointed by anything but the price thus far.

>>2871816
> set of batteries for my old Panasonic finally gave up the ghost, I got Ryobi
Talk about a reversal of fortunes!
Get some nicd replacement batteries from china and rebuild the panasonic pack.
I did a dewalt and a ryobi one+ for $36 in these pre-tabbed 2/3 C nicd cells, they go for around 10 years.
The days you can replace cells is drawing to a close with DRM.
A lot of companies are good at precisely three things: generating e-waste, stealing money from the company, and scamming their own customers.

>>2870451
Is this possible to cut your own head with circular saw?

I don't buy into ecosystems.
I buy the best tool for the job.

I have a Metabo cordless drill since it's by far the best one feature wise, I can pull of the chuck in one simple motion and have a super short compact and lightweight driver with shittons of torque, no other drill can do that and i use it a lot. Needless to say it's a high quality tool in the first place.

I have a FEIN Multimaster since the vibration dampening on them is far superior to any other knockoff and I don't want to kill my wrists and nerve endings, and they're in general the best in class overall.

I have a Festool tracksaw because they make the best one.

Stop the tribalism, it's a dumb marketing thing they do to make you buy more of their mediocre tools.

I went with Milwaukee because those are the tools my dad gave me.

HART
bc its basically dirt cheap Ryobi
just wait for Walmart yellow tag sales
got my impact, drill, inflator, for $20 ea at separate times
got 2 batteries with an impact driver kit that was a gift and one more battery came with the drill
the blue and white looks good too

>>2871854
>I have a Metabo cordless drill

What one is this?

>Stop the tribalism, it's a dumb marketing thing they do to make you buy more of their mediocre tools.

There definitely is lots of cringe tribalism, but it does make sense to try to stick to a few battery ecosystems. You effectively eat up backup capacity every time you have to buy and store a battery you can only use on some particular tool, meanwhile... your examples are actually perfect, Metabo and Fein are CAS and Ampshare, there's only a few performance heavy or rare tool types you'd have to reach outside either of those systems to get a solid one. Like I don't think there's a big concrete saw there for instance.

>>2870451
I’m a ridgid loser :(

>>2871170
Yea I’ve owned some ryobi, and some porter cable (which used to be a solid brand in our parents time but is now just cheaper shit) but a lot of it has burnt out, and some was stolen. How pathetic must one’s life be to steal a drill from a working class person you’re gonna be able to pawn for 30$ max? Beyond me

I’m more careful with my tools now and obsessively lock them up when they’re out of my sight at all, so I’d like to invest in something a little better, that at least won’t burn out cutting through anything harder than poplar. If a tool is cheap enough or not used very often im all for the harbor freight option, but at a certain point it becomes less annoying to just get something a little better that will hopefully last a little longer.
>rigid
I’ve heard a lot about how their warranty is good for the price

I've built many sheds, yards, decks, fences, trailers, and going for two houses soon. all with ryobi.

All tools work the same. buy whatever you can afford. anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot who bought a [color] tool and used it 2, 3 times and needs to justify his existence to you.

>>2871740
I don't get my housing, transportation, food, energy, or healthcare from China. How about you?

>>2872001
>I’ve heard a lot about how their warranty is good for the price
Make sure you register your tools!

That being said, if you’re a DIYer and like to consoom, I wouldn’t make their LSA your main deciding factor. Milwaukee gives you 5 years on tools, 3 on most batteries. Pretty much the rest of the brands are 3 years. Unlike Harbor Freight’s 90 days, the 3+ year warranty gives you enough time to know if you’re going to fry a defective tool or battery. Aside from that, with DIY use, you should get 5 years out of batteries easy and more like 10 years out of the tools, and if they fail at that point or you break them doing something dumb, you probably want to upgrade to the new model anyway.

The main thing that appeals to me is the battery LSA, I’m curious to see how the process will be, especially when I finally burn up something on the discontinued 12V tools. If it’s easy, I will be stoked if I can swap out my 5+ year old 4.0Ah packs and grab a fresh pack for another 5 years. Only thing I have warrantied so far was a Ryobi that an old lady killed by likely leaving it in a tool in her trunk for months and over-discharged it, and it wasn’t registered, but I sent them the serial #s of the tool, charger, and battery from the kit and they mailed me a brand new battery in a couple days and I was able to pop the tamper proof seal off the old one and recover the cell and keep the old battery as well. That wasn’t Ridgid, but same parent company.

>>2872031
>He thinks these things won't be affected because he doesn't know how deeply interconnected things are
Trump's first rounds of tariffs absolutely fucked over American farmers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/

>>2870451
Dewalt, simply because of availability and pricing. I prefer being able to go to Lowe's OR Home Depot and they tend to go on better sales than Milwaukee, you can basically get a whole DeWalt setup for Ryobi prices if you're patient, maybe because there's the competition between those two big hardware chains. I might have considered Metabo or Makita but I do both home DIY and a lot of automotive and those brands are way behind on automotive tools.

>>2870806
>The dewalt factories in the US are for show, they just screw the two made-in-china clamshells together and slap on the stickers.
This isn't entirely true, they actually build motors and gearboxes in the US. They only do it for a few models (mostly/entirely drills) and only because of sourcing requirements for government contracts though.

>>2872134
> they actually build motors and gearboxes in the US
Checked. I guess it depends on your definition of ‘build’
Surprisingly, they do actually wind their own armatures on the motor, but it doesn’t look like they punch out the silicon steel laminations or make the armature core. Still, it’s a start, but I’m convinced the US can’t make a complete tool motor from scratch.
> government contracts
And yes, you’re probably going to retain some vestigial ability todo so for US wartime purposes at the very least.

>>2870451
Grew up learning the basics from my dad who was a signage installer and really loved makita, never understood what he meant when he said makitas just felt better to use until I got into the trades and got my hands on other brands, no matter the tool my makitas just felt better, bosch is a close second for me though. Only downside is that makitas 12v line blows donkey dick

After having used almost every color of cordless tool, I just bought Hart stuff from walmart for myself. It's just recolored ryobi with not-retarded batteries, and individual walmart locations will randomly mark their hart stuff down 50%+ off throughout the year for who knows why. I have the drill, impact driver, 1/2" impact wrench, tire inflator, 3/8" ratchet, leaf blower, stick vacuum, 5 different lights including a tripod work light, a 12" cordless/corded hybrid fan, about 10 batteries, and I think I have around $500-600 spent total.

>>2872134
>I prefer being able to go to Lowe's OR Home Depot
If you're looking at the tool branding, keep in mind that the "Power Detect" Lowes sells is just a store-exclusive relabelled version of XR tools. HD, Amazon, and other sellers carry Flexvolt Advantage tools that, while not 60V tools, get a solid performance boost from 60V batteries compared to XR.

Basically, Lowes got whiny at DeWalt that they wanted a branding draw nobody else could have, so DW just said "fine, here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCjaMZR6PI

>>2872089
>Trump's first rounds of tariffs absolutely fucked over American farmers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/
>the tariffs didn't bother the farmers at all
>what bothered the farmers was China cutting off food imports
>the value of this trade disruption is les than 1% of US production

>>2870451
Anything cordless besides drill/impact kit is faggot tier

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>>2872259
Not jelly, just old and rubbish

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>>2872238
What about cordless flashlights?

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>>2872286
> cordless flashlights
What about them?

>>2872089
The reduction in demand for food with the Chinese response led to LOWER food prices, which is why the farmers got financial assistance.

>>2870451
DeWalt 18 volt to start because I picked up 6 different tools, 4 batteries, 2 chargers, a carry bag, accessories, and manuals for $175 at a pawnshop. As time went by, I migrated to the DeW 20v tools. There’s an adapter so you can run 18v tools on 20v batteries. I used that until I had shifted completely to 20 v everything. Sold the 4 remaining 18v tools, etc., on CL for $150 last month. I got about 13 years out of those pawnshop tools.

ryobi did me great until i had to start using my personal tools at
work

>>2872265
you sound jelly because youre poor man

>>2872599
What?
20V is just 18V batteries where they did round it up because bigglyer number = betterer. A lot of tool brands sell the same tool as 20V in the US because of said reason and as 18V in the EU, I think there’s some rules about not being allowed to sell stuff with wrong numbers. Same with 36V = 40V. It’s just marketing.

>>2872633
Anon is referring to the older NiCad batteries marketed as 18V. They used the same operating voltage as the newer lithium batteries, but DeWalt marked that change with a different name and battery-tool interface. Hence the adapter anon mentioned which allows the use of the new batteries on the old tools.

>Same with 36V = 40V. It’s just marketing.
Kinda. It's open circuit voltage vs active use voltage, based on 4V or 3.6V per lithium cell respectively. Five cells in series gives 20/18V, while three gives 12/10.8V. Either nominal description is accurate.

>>2872644
> marked that change with a different name
Except in countries where fraud is illegal.
The nominal voltage had been the standard for decades. The 20 V was just another marketing trick since they’d run out of legal ones.

It’s would be the same as some retard marketing a standard 6-cell lead acid car battery as 16 volts. 16 is better than 12, right?

Same people that love their 6.5 HP shop vacs.

>>2872675
>Except in countries where fraud is illegal.
What is fraudulent about it? If you check a freshly-charged battery with a voltmeter, what voltage do you think you'd measure? DeWalt wasn't the first to do this to differentiate new battery systems from old ones. Bosch, Milwaukee, Makita, and others have used nominal 4V per cell values. "12V" is the more-common way to describe 3-series batteries, even when the same company uses 18V for 5-series batteries. And would you care to quote a law regarding nominal voltage on power tool batteries? This has been repeated a lot, but no one I've seen make that claim has substantiated it.

>marketing a standard 6-cell lead acid car battery as 16 volts.
The open circuit voltage of a lead-acid battery is 2.1V per cell, meaning 12.6V fully charged when new, no load. A 16V battery wouldn't be able to recharge on the 14V electrical supply that's standard on cars.

>Same people that love their 6.5 HP shop vacs.
And if they love it for that "peak" power rating, they don't understand what it means. The meaning of a 20V nominal battery isn't mysterious. It serves to identify compatibility with tools and chargers that use the same nominal voltage and branding.

>>2870451
>15 years old
>grandpa gifts me an old (20 years +) Fein drill his company wanted to trash because it only had one speed
>dad recently bought a brand new Bosch
>my Fein is way nicer to work with
>two years later, the Bosch is broken (the chuck kept seizing up) while the Röhm chuck on my Fein keeps chucking along
>Meanwhile, bought a Black&Decker angle grinder second hand bcs it was cheap, realized the bearings were wonky
>Can't repair it because the bearing is pressed into a dead-end hole and impossible to remove, would need to replace the entire head assembly
>spare parts are as expensive as a new grinder
>decide to buy something better instead
>compare spare-parts catalogues of any "good" company I'm aware of
>Fein is the only one that not only sells the bearings separately, but also provides Blueprints that clearly show that the bearings are removable
>End up buying a Fein angle grinder
Since then I've been pretty much set on buying Fein for any tool I'm going to use more than once. Sure, it's expensive, but if you've ever planned on working on a project over a prolonged holiday like christmas, only for your shitty Bosch drill to break on the first day, you know why getting good tools is worth it.

Also kinda funny when I'm helping out aquaintances and they assume I'm using some sort of chink brand ("Fein" means "good" in my native language, so it sounds like those amazon brand names the chinese use) and tell me to just go get Bosch / Makita / Hilti / whatever brand their favourite diy youtuber shills.

>>2872675

>It’s would be the same as some retard marketing a standard 6-cell lead acid car battery as 16 volts.

You are very misinformed. They usually sit at 12.6-12.8 unloaded. Charging is around 14 volts.

>>2872159
I'm pretty sure we could, there are other scratch-built electric motors made in the US (also largely for defense and aerospace, but also industrial applications) and we may even have fully US-made tools for specialty stuff, I know we did a few years back. Control chips are the only parts of a modern power tool that I'm not sure if we could make.

>>2872203
Yeah I'm aware. I research anything significant before I buy it so it doesn't make a huge difference to me. I'm also not really planning on anything that needs 60v batts, I can deal with corded for most things in that category.

>>2872694
its pretty much not worth it at all for the average person though. Youre paying a large premium to have it made in the US. If thats what you want to do, more power to ya

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>>2871040
i got the walmart version of the tough kit for like <25% of the other brands and it works plenty well for it's purpose. i bought a few extra layers of compartmental storage

per thread
milwauke has been great as my work tools, they take a beating and warranty is fantastic/quick/unquestioning
all the tools work gret
the 'HACKZALL' is the best form of any of the brands for fitting in tight spaces
the m12 line is increaidbly compact and powerful
i even got their leaf blower used for $80 and it's banger
if i ever get a house I'll definitely invest in their pole arm/trimmer/edger combo shit
love em

I also went with some ryobi tools for light use tools that are way overpriced with milwauke like air compressor, lights, rotary saw...
i like some of their tool gimmicks the other brands don't do, like the circular saw having a super fucking useful laser guide and the impact having a magnetic tray

rigid/makita i've used when working with others just out of curiosity and had no complaints

dewalt is yellow and that's lame
dad has all dewalt and they feel inferior to my tools, but they're also all over a decade old and i'm sure have inferior motors to the new ones

honorable mentions, harbor freight generators are quite fine and rigid compact shop vacs are the best option

>>2870451
these are literally the political compass quadrant colors

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>>2872884
I have the Dewalt equivalent of that Hackzall and it's awesome. Never realized how much I needed a one-handed sawzall until I had one.

The Milwaukee form factor does look pretty good.

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>>2872953
The hackzalls are nice when you want to support something with your other hand, but tbqhwy, I was surprised how much better my full size sawzall is when I really lean into the thing. Other than the non-Fuel M12, most of the one handed designs are nearly as large as a full size two handed saw. I think they lose out on stroke a lot with that design. For how small the orange “subcompact” impact and drill were, I guess I expected their subcompact hackzall to be smaller. Also the power difference could be less about the hackzall and more about the sawzall, that thing has orbital action and Ridgid’s Octane stuff was often more powerful than he M18 Fuel from the same era.

I use it a lot for pruning trees and such because I can grab a branch I’m cutting to keep it from whacking me in the head when the blade cuts through.

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>>2872941
im14&thisisdeep but it fits way too well
consider a case where
>impact wrench fails to loosen a bolt
team green
>oh man it must be the will of the universe it couldnt get it. whatever. everybody has off days. only thing that matters is it tried its best
team red
>how dare you speak blasphemy against the infallible tool. it is you who mis-saw. it loosened it with ease and could do much more. off to the gulags for you
team blue
>absolute great shame has been brought to our company. we must shun and abandon that battery bloodline forever and create another from the ashes
team yellow
>haha impact go brrrr. put the 60v on it and see if itll eat. sorry about your wrist bro

>>2872981
If the current top red and yellow impact wrenches can't break something free, you're gonna need more extreme measures.

>>2872986
Like your father’s old breaker and/or cheater bar

>>2872953
> hackzall
yeah, I to a lot of, um… repair? yeah… repair! that’s the ticket! … work on catalytic converters and the outlet is inconvenient for me. because reasons.

>>2872992
Or a torch.

>>2872993
>tfw old Junkie friend stole another friend’s Milwaukee sawzall and said “Bro I borrowed it to steal cats and the cops rolled up on me so I had to drop it and run”
The sad thing was junkie friend was totally lying because he’s too lazy to get under a car and hack off cats and he definitely just sold the thing at the pawn shop for like 3 hours worth of dope. And the buddy whose Sawzall it was is all trying to be a good friend like “Damn at least you didn’t get arrested!”

I wonder if that old junkie friend is dead yet, last I heard was he absconded from his parole and was on and off homeless.

>>2872992
if you don’t know, you don’t know. There’s a lot of stuff that is such a huge pain in the ass with even the longest breaker bar and a good ugga dugga will zip it right off. Certain fasteners respond way better to the rattling of the impact than constant torque of a wrench. Watch a boomer try to change his mower blades and you will understand,

>>2872960
It definitely loses a bit of power compared to traditional ones, but being able to support things with the other hand really is game-changing. I'm in the process of selling and moving out of a house my family's been in for 30 years and it's been a godsend, both doing yard stuff like you mentioned and cutting up various old furniture and other junk so that it'll fit in the trash or my truck bed for the dump. I actually need to use it today to cut up some half-rotten scrap wood that was buried in the overgrowth on the far side of my yard for years.

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>>2871382
Just get webmforretards/webmforbakas, you don't need to bust your ass trying to fit video into a 3 second .gif and if you really have to send it to someone just upload it to a webm sharing site.

>>2870451
Milwaukee because they were the only ones who made a fuckhueg impact wrench at the time that also didn't cost $1,000.
I've grown my cordless tool collection as a result of it coming with 2 5.0AH batteries. Corded stuff can be anything, I'm not picky as long as it works.

Hilti and Milwaukee, stolen.

>>2870451
Craftsman, because my dad got me a starter tool set as a housewarming gift, and I don't want to change brands because I'm already too deep in the ecosystem.

>>2873170
>15 year old DeWalt brushed tools with new branding

>>2873195
It's Craftsman get it right.

>>2873182
I would never want to own Hilti and bring it to jobsites. There was a dude out repairing some loading dock lifts with new Hilti stuff charging down a ways in the warehouse, and I aint no thief, but the former Newport smoker in me was like “Damn extra-discount Hilti 22V starter kit laying right there if I want it!”

>>2871740
Cope harder faggot

>>2873212
You're going to be hurting more, dumbass.

>>2870452
>I just have a bunch of shit in Ryobi
You picked wrong. There's a reason why they call that brand "Cryobi".

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>>2873229
Who callis is “Cryobi”? You and some obscure Youtuber who is always taking apart broken Milwaukee tools that died a premature death?

>>2873206

Its fine, the jobsite were just renting them so its not some worker that misses his tools

>>2870452
Same here, it was a good deal when I bought the full tool bag, and I've had no reason to change to another brand. I do prefer Milwaukee's feel in general, but I'm not paying the markup caused by basic bitch construction bros who insist the red plastic makes them better at framing a minimum-budget clone house.

>>2873231
>some obscure Youtuber
Who?

>>2873315
Some canadian guy who is mildly entertaining for 2-1/2 videos and then annoying.

>>2873302
Another satisfied Ryobi user!

>>2873327
Who, exactly?

>>2873340
Could be AvE. That sounds like an AvEism.

>>2870451
Went with Milwaukee because they seemed to lean more into automotive tools than the others at the time. Honestly I would've stuck with Ryobi if they had decent impact wrenches at the time, now they do and I'm kind of kicking myself for it.

>>2873231
I'm a sycophantic Ryobifaggot good goyim drone unit and I call it cRyobi all the time because it's funny.
cRyobi, DeFalt, Will-fuck-ye, Muhkita, Crapsman, Masterfarce, Smackin' Pecker, Porter Cable (no change required the necro brand is already a joke), and so on.

>>2873327
>>2873340
>>2873386
He really likes plastic molds! And he got a CNC machine and has spent the post-Covid era making a titanium bookmark on said CNC and releasing a video on that bookmark once every 6 months.

>>2873417
>DeFalt
You misspelled it, it's DeFault, as in usually a good choice to default to if you can't decide and want a decent tool.

>>2870451
I chose Milwaukee because we used them at the job I had decades ago and I was already familiar with them. I don't think there's a best, I own some DeWalt stuff too, just pick a brand. They're all pretty good to be honest. The only caveat I would make is avoid Ryobi if you can afford it and you're making a living with them. If you're just a casual diy, then Ryobi is great.

>>2870451
>Milwaukee M18
When I lived in Milwaukee, I used to have a bar buddy who was a Milwaukee engineer. He said he'd be willing to get me steep discounts on batteries and tools, since he had a pretty kick ass employee discount that they'd let him use for gifting tools to friends and family.
>He never made good on it

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>>2873819
so you still use the corded b&d drill your pawpaw left you?