ITT: Why you chose your tool ecosystem. not which you think is best.
OP going first -- I just have a bunch of shit in Ryobi because I'm a casual and it honestly works for everything I've ever had to do in my casual woodworking and home DIY life. The nonlinear trigger sucks but I can deal with it for the cost savings I have on all the tools I own honestly.Also I just like green lol
Makita because I am Anime Pro.
>>2870451Ridgid: because they sold me a brushless hammer drill, brushless impact driver, brushless full size sawzall, and 2x 4Ah batteries for $199 during the holiday season. Milwaukee and DeWalt both wanted $300-$400 for the same deal, and for <$200 they would give you a basic brushed drill, impact driver, and 2 small batteries.Ridgid 12V… I was dumb and should’ve returned it a week later when the M12 went on sale with a free bare tool for $25 more.Ryobi 18V because they have so much random household crap for dirt cheap and tons of yard tools. I was unwilling to spend $100+ on basic LED lights that sit on top of 18V batteries.
>>2870451>Ryobi 18V>affordable>no real need for higher grade tools 99% of the time>wide range of compatible tools
>>2870451I did a bunch of research before I chose Milwaukee 10 years ago, but now I can't remember why. I kinda wish I'd have gone with something else.
>>2870451I got into Milwaukee because they had the absolute beast High-Torque 1/2" drive impact back in the day. Also their M18 grease gun is tits/10.
>>2870451Milwaukee because they have a bunch tools for my bullshit specific trade, but I like how smol the m12 stuff is.
>>2870451Makita (and some corded Festool/Mafell shit) because their woodworking tools are the best, plus, nobody steals my shit because they all use DeWalt or Milwaukee
Milwaukee. I hadn't started my tool collection yet, , it was Christmas and my future-wife and I were walking through HD. She bought me a drill/impact/hackzall combo pack since she hadn't gotten me Christmas present yet. Honestly love both the drills and the hackzall. I did however get into the ryobi family due to needing a pole saw. Ryobi does good enough, but Milwaukee has a reputation for a reason in my anecdotal evidence.
>>2870451if i had to pick it would be makita simply because they are still one company with less bloat and overhead, vs. all the rest which are owned by some giant chinese conglomerate. that being said i got like a 10 tool m18 milwaukee deal on sale for fathers day for like $500 and it came with 2 batteries, i didnt even think i needed all the tools i just couldnt pass that up, sure enough ive used the fuck out of every tool that came in that kit. they have been abused, covered in mud and mortar, left in the rain, and still work fine. no ragrets.
The guys I worked with had the other colors
>>2870554>it would be makita simply because they are still one company with less bloat and overheadI don’t understand this argument, it’s not necessarily a good thing. Of all the major power tool brands, Makita has been the absolute worst with compatibility and battery design since everybody got on lithium. A big company that wants to make money and chooses to grow by being dominant with the best products in their industry isn’t a bad thing for the consumer at all.
>>2870594>it’s not necessarily a good thingIt's good when companies don't sell out to globohomo completely and aren't making every single tool and component in China. It's good even if you end up with a marginally inferior product, not that Makita is actually inferior in present day.>but think of the battery compatibility in the largest 18V platform in the worldTheir old batteries were shit, but the new ones have been around for long enough that you don't have to scratch your head about what might or might not work.
>>2870597>aren’t making every single tool and component in China>makitaAnon I got bad news for you man.
>>2870597See >>2870601Also I’m not talking about the battery cells being shit, they use the same cells as all the other brands. I’m talking about compatibility. For example…Makita releases 12V lithium batteries like the Milwaukee-Bosch style, they release like 4 tools for that battery, then discontinue it. They release a 12V slide pack for no reason. The obvious thought would be “Oh they’re making it easier to have one charger like DeWalt and Hercules do, and even early Craftsman V20 chargers were 12V/20V in anticipation of releasing 12V tools” but Makita didn’t do that. Despite it being common practice with 12V slide pack tool lines, you needed a 12V ONLY charger. And then Makita only released a couple tools on that lineup because they suck.Then there’s the 18V lineup… the early tools had compatibility issues with yellow tab/ black tab/ star and non-star batteries and tools, you couldn’t use all 18V batteries on all 18V tools. And then when they wanted more powerful tools, they came out with 36V tools using 2x18V batteries, and this ensured that Makita could never use 21700 cells in their 18V battery packs because they wouldn’t fit those tools, and they never did 3S 18650 battery packs like 9.0Ah 18V packs, so anybody with Makita 18V was stuck with 5.0Ah batteries or 6.0Ah if they were willing to take a small hit on peak performance. So then Makita realeased the 40V lineup… and those batteries are basically the same as Milwaukee’s larger 18V packs with 10x 21700 cells. Lots of the 40V tools are the same as the 18V versions but cost more money and require more expensive batteries. And once again, the bare minimum Makita could do was allow the 40V charger to work with 18V packs as well for the suckers who were running 18V LXT tools and didn’t want to replace all of it when they got on a couple 40V tools… but Makita didn’t do that. It would be so damn simple, but they decided to sell a retarded adapter instead
What about Metabo
It's hard to settle. I install all kinds of flooring, trim, cabinets, etc etc. Use to do renovation framing. Before that just drywall hanging and mudding. I also make specific use functional custom furniture sometimes. On top of everything else DIY for myself and my household and family. I still have corded table saw, skillsaw, miter saw, planer, sanders, sawzall and mixer drill being Makita. My rotozip is corded rotozip branded. Jigsaw is corded Bosch. Drill and impact are on Milwaukee M18 because they were on sale and still outlasted my other cordless drill and impacts. I use a multitool a lot so I switched to Fein, which has ampshare Bosch batteries. My laser is M12 three-plane. Impact wrenches are M12 and M18. Brad nailer is M18. Grinder is Fein corded and just recently got the ampshare cordless from them too. And so on. I have M18, M12 and Bosch AmpShare batteries. It generally covers any new tool I need from one of those three platforms. And if not, there's a corded or gas powered version.I've recently been tempted by smol 125mm Japanese only Makita cordless circular saw. Becoming multiplatform in my humble opinion and experience is inevitable. One will dominate, but there are some tools from the others that are just too good to pass on because of one new battery and charger.
>>2870451>choiceRyobi>reasonGot a good start with sales etc and picked up most of my stuff for literally 5x less than the others cost and they're good enough. The anti-theft highlighter green is a nice bonus.That said I do have a few Dewalt tools (impact wrench, sawzall, chainsaw) and even a Milwaukee M12 drill+impact set, but ~80% of my cordless tools are Ryobi.
>>2870451I chose DeWalt, just dropped 1k, because its was the closest to not made by CCP that I could find. I hope now that Trump will be president, that Stanly Black and Decker, will reopen their Craftsman tool plant in Fort Worth, and DeWalt plant in Fort Mills.
>>2870623Bad availability in the US. The Metabo HPT stuff had some dirt cheap deals at Lowe’s, but you have to decide if the savings is worth not being able to use those batteries on 100 different tools like Milwaukee, DeWalt, or Ryobi.
>>2870451Milwaukee because that's what my employer buys us. So when i need batteries or a new tool, I just swap them out with the ones at work and tell the bossman to buy a new one :)
My dad gave me a bunch so i use those
>>2870451I got ryobi and it's shit.Hilti is much better.
>>2870659SB&D actually run their own factories in china.This is slightly better than other manufacturers that just contract out stuff to chinese randos yearly.The dewalt factories in the US are for show, they just screw the two made-in-china clamshells together and slap on the stickers.It’s actually cheaper to make the cardboard boxes in the US, so they’re boxed here too.Ryobi makes a lot of things in Vietnam. They probably have the longest-lived 18V battery standard, so that’s a good choice.Travelling around asia, Makita is, pretty universally, the most cloned brand by far. It’s hard to buy a real one.
Ryobi>price>not used daily>rampant theftUsing other peoples makitas and Milwaukees i can see why you would definitely go for either if you were a tradie but i am not.
>>2870816> rampant theftYou’re the only one that ever mentioned that. You must actually be in the trades. I’ve never worn out a tool, I’ve always lost them one or two years in on average. And by “lost” I mean probably stolen.
>>2870451Milwaukee but I only have corded tools. Rugged and capable of working in the shit.
>>2870451It seems like Makita is the only company of the 4 that is constantly innovating each year trying different things. But they also discontinue a lot of their old products I think? It's either between Makita or Milwakee, Dewalt has gone down hill in innovation and is just sticking to the already established tools and overpricing them because of their brand recognition.
>>2870843Just a small glimpse
>>2870823Not all of us work with degenerate thieves. My co-workers are my son and wife, and probably someday my daughter. Not saying we aren't degenerates, but at least we're not thieves!
>>2870847It doesnt have to be your co workers.>>2870823I am not actually trade. More like an unqualified low level project manager/project fixer. I get called in when shits gone real bad and i come in with a team and set shit straight. But it is usually when the client is trying to get rid of the contractor or relieve them of some of the project so there is often some animosity.Its third world so I usually have to provide/allocate tools. My stuff is spray painted rustoleum berry pink. Very specific and I have had some faggot in a corner over a shovel that he said his boss gave him the spray to spray it. But since i started with the colour scheme a lot less goes missing. I have only had 2 battery grinders, 1 impact driver and 1 battery rotary hammer fail on me. Most recent power tool theft was a corded Ryobi 9" grinder that was an actual beast. Everyone fought over that, even lazy men got to work when they had that. Had it for 7 years.
>>2870451DeWalt. I like the design and feel, and while they may not be the number one tool in any particular category, but they're usually always in the top few in testing results. Plus the extensive selection of options. Which is also why I'm looking at Milwaukee's 12v for a number of specialized tools you don't need as much power for.
>>2870659Trump didn't do jack shit for US manufacturing in his first term, and isn't in his next.
>>2870806Most of the top-end DeWalt tools are made in Mexico, with secondary stuff like vacuums in Vietnam. Of my DW stuff the only Made In China is a portable power brick/jump starter.
>>2870843>It seems like Makita is the only company of the 4 that is constantly innovating each year trying different things.A lot of that is just stupid bullshit like the coffee maker, while DW and Mil make things that are actually useful.
The vast majority of line contractors in CA and NV all run Milwaukee tools, it was heavily pushed during my appretniship and they gave me free stuff.
>>2870935He will in his third
>>2870947> donnie’s third trimesterfucking kek!
>>2870451I chose DeWalt because of easily accessible third party parts and Everytime I ever contacted dewalt it is a pain in the ass but u always come out ahead.I bought a plunge cutter and the trigger broke. they sent me a new one and told me to keep the old one. ordered a 2 dollar trigger off Alibaba and had 2 brand new plunge cutters.I had one negative experience with a DeWalt Bluetooth speaker where they sold their name to a third party. it was a month before a replacement and I shipped the other one back, which is fine, but annoying.dewalt is just the best bang for My buck. it has its drawbacks. nothing beats pack out and the tough system 2.0 kinda sucks in a lot of regards. but it beats bags. which was what I was doing.if I was rich I'd probably buy Milwaukee and not repair them when they fail. but DeWalt is easy to fix, easy to use, easy to work with, and easy to find parts for.careful of knockoffs. they tend to have alot. Im sure all brands do.
>>2870823bro someone walked out of a building with my tape measure once and I was throwing wood scrap out the window at him to let him know to walk that shit back in.I Dip my fingers in paint and ink my finger print on all my shit and put a florescent color on all my tools.I will hunt someone for stealing my shit
>>2870935The tariffs on Chinese imports he started have remained mostly in place over the Biden administration, encouraging manufacturers to shift production away from China, including to the US.
>>2870451Whatever I need and is on sale.
>>2871047No, those mostly just cost Americans extra, Chinese trade production has been consistent.
>>2871065Real talk.Brand whores are as bad as sportsball whores.Make sure you buy a Tshirt for you're favorite Chinese factory so you can advertise them for free.
>>2871040>toughsystem kind of sucksSucks how badly? I was debating getting a combo kit that has some dewalt tools and the toughsystem base. I had heard packout is way better, but I’ve also heard packout sucks compared to rigid and some other brands since they refused to update and the market caught up. Is the toughsystem so bad that it’s not worth it at like half off? I could prob get rigid or kobakt for roughly the same price, or is dewslt just bad compared to packout?
>>2870451my father had already bought a bunch of ryobi stuff, so i bought some too so i could use his tools with my batteries. i'm not really a loyalist with any of it. i'm not a professional and use my stuff on weekend projects. i've only destroyed one ryobi drill doing something i shouldn't have with it (cutting a 4"dia hole saw through 1950's subfloor and wood flooring) it basically almost caught fire and burned up.
>>2871091it doesn't suck enough to where I wouldn't recommend it. but out of box I had box not latch unless I hit the latch.id buy it again honestly. but you can see design flaws a really stupid minor one is that the latches kind of pop when your unlock them. if your just snap them open like I do your can clock your fingers with the metal latch flying back, it stings for like 10 minutes and pisses me off, I started cupping my hand on the latch when it opens so it doesn't pop.when I say it sucks, I mean design wise compared to pack out. it's 10x better than lugging around bags. I dropped my stack one day and one of the yellow locks popped off. I thought I broke it but I think they are designed to break away, I reseated it with the spring and never had an issue and couldn't even tell you which latch it was.gets heavy fast too. doorways suck when your pack is 300lbs and it's got a inch step in, but the wheels do just fine if you go slow and just lift. if you try to jump it through it will shift in some direction into the door jam and crush your hand or so i would assume cause I'm not stupid and that didn't happen to me.I paid 181$ for the 3 black boxes, I bought the other 2 clear small parts individually.id buy them all again probably. id recommend them for tradies who don't want a small rob me sign rather than a big one (pack out) but under the review i just gave.I'm more or less just bitching about quality of life honestly. they arnt that bad. mad I cut to cut my own dividers. wtf DeWaltthe batteries line up so nice and are always right there.before I cut that divider everything was kinda just free sliding.not gonna lie, if you use it like a dolly in genuinely surprised at how little shifting there is in the boxes, all my tools are exactly where set them in 9/10 times aside from maybe a pencil.I'll get a shot of my hand tool box in a minute. it's in the truck.
>>2871091I hope this clarifies my bitching.
overall, it's so fucking minor.l given it's utility.full disclose i'm white trash and I only work like 20 hours a week or so. when I'm working im a free lance contractor/ laborer.I'm a half tradie.
Started with Milwaukee because that's what Dad always bought, but within the last 5 years I went makita. I remember years before dropping a company owned makita impact from fairly high up onto a concrete slab and it still working just fine. Through my apprenticeship I burnt up several of the cheaper Milwaukee brushed 18v impacts, and while I still got money's worth, I felt Makita quality to be better.Though irrelevant, I like how Makita basically invented cordless drills, and because they have always been an Asian company, them making stuff in China isn't as bad as an American company like Milwaukee doing it.
>>2871148Nice, thanks for the review. I might wait a little to see if there’s gonna be any big Black Friday sales, but barring some too-good-to-pass up deal I’ll prob go with dewalt. Honestly just don’t care enough about it to min-max every single dollar, and this seems like a decent deal if you’re gonna switch battery systems like me. It’s pic related for 500>small rob me sign instead of largeThat’s a good point I didn’t think of, if I got packout I’d prob end up spray painting the whole thing>latches pop too hardHopefully they got that balance worked out, but I wonder if it’s something you could fix with a little dremel work by feel?
>>2871165I started with Ryobi but ryobi tools kept failing. I was under the impression I didn't needs a tool that worked harder than me.apparently I work harder than Ryobi. when I switched platforms I did it slowly and used a battery converter to use my Ryobi batteries on DeWalt.i always said nothing is quality anymore but in a world of cheap plastic shit. dewalt ain't bad.big plus is that I can get parts for self repair. Ryobi was impossible for source parts for.I almost went with rigid, but settled in dewalt because of my handiness and the after market repair options.I like to bypass the safety switch on a few tools because they fuck up My hand feel on the cut.hope i didn't overload you. I have autism.
>>2871165kits are nice, but I'm so particular about tools anymore I'd get upset that the wrong plunge cutter was in the kit.idk if this is true but DeWalt tools should average to me: (think drills, impacts, plunge cutters)120-150$ msrp most tools about 100$ per tool averageA great deal is 80$when you get to the higher end tools the numbers go to. (think rotary hammer, belt sander, high end metal cut off)350$ msrp200$ average170$ deal.I try to get batteries at 10$ per AH.I really like the power stacks but I'm a princess.about 15$ per AHagain a Appalachian hillman.
>>2871165I almost bought ryobis mobile tool system because of the "rob me" sign.I'm found of sleepers. (pc, car etc).imagine stealing a Ryobi tool box opening it up and there is Milwaukee.
>>2871165this is what I mean by then popping too hard.just don't put your finger in it's path. I tend to push my thumb up into it.>>2871158>>2871161this I assume will wear itself down eventually.
>>2870451I have makita but I wish they made battery powered nailers
>>2871091What sold me on it is the cart you can get. It's a heavy duty, all metal one, while the closest other systems have is a really weak plastic one from Milwaukee.It's missing some of the fancy "mount extra stuff to it" features Packout or Flex have, but I think I chose well.
>>2870451Makita, because at the specific moment in time I decided it was time to buy some cordless tools, makita had the best bundles and bogos. Kinda wished I had waited a little longer and bought into Dewalt though, makita has basically abandoned their 18v line for their 40v line
>>2871188>>2871246Kek. Regretful Makita owners. I feel ya though, I felt the same way with the Ridgid 12V. My suggestion, go get yourself a Ryobi 18V starter kit and add lime green to your teal for the stuff you want. It doesn’t hurt as bad and you can run Makita drills and saws and feel like your main tools are from a reputable company.
>>2871042based tool protecterer
>>2870451I bought makita because it was the first cordless drill that actually lasted a long time and worked good. it was also the only usable one at the time.I still buy them, but now also buy chinese knockoffs because I'm a cheap bastard.
>>2871252that's how I fix stuff. if you take my tools, you're condemning my house and life.id shoot someone over it if I was mad enough, but chances are I'd just beat someone badly and take my shit back standard.maybe spit on them.erase the fluorescent paint and find out what other kind of markers and tracks I have. let me find you on another job site with my shit.I work on these tools, my initials are etched internally along with black light paint markings in crevices and hard to erase places.these are mine, everyone will know and you can't wash the stink of theft from them.humans are animals and will take the path of least resistance, go steal someone else's tools, cause I'm not the easiest guy to work with.I worked as a butcher for years as a career before returning to the woods.long story short we had theft. I saw. I couldn't prove it.I filled the guys monster can with 20% chicken juice (salmonella shake) and I assume he puked up everything he stole for about 2 or 3 weeks.I will get you. We live in a fuck around find out world.
>>2871237what do you keep in the drawers?
>>28713031: a couple small saws (folding Ryoba and small flush trim), hammers, screwdrivers, allen keys, utility and marking knife. General stuff.2: Sandpaper3: Tape, a sharpening guide kit for chisels and plane irons.4: Hole saw kit, router bits, jigsaw blades, assorted small router parts5: Bench Dog no5 Jack Plane, Rali smoothing plane, roll of chisels
>>2871312that makes sense.they are individualized? if I flipped it upside down, would stuff in drawer 3 go to drawer 2 or 1?I've seen them and I'm curious.drawers ever piss you off? I'm the autistic princess who went out and spent 40 minutes figuring out how to record a video and convert it to a gif just to bitch about a latch.
>>2871319> and spent 40 minutes figuring out how to record a video and convert it to a gifI, for one, appreciate the effort.
>>2870451I just buy whatever is currently on sale from a local chinesium dealer. I have 3 of their cordless screwdrivers, one is 7 yo, one I found in a dumpster and repaired and the last one I bought last month since it was up for 20$ with a battery. Brandfags cope and seethe
>did a trade in my 20s>used milwaukee>wasn't common in aus back then>really impressed, this shit took a proper beating>leave the trade so get myself a kit for home>add a few extra tools here and there but it's still mega costly just for home shed toolsNow it's been a good decade and I cant help but wonder if I should've just stuck with ryobi. They were shit back then but now they're 99% all I'd ever need out of a tool. Could have twice as many skins for what Ive paid for milwaukee tools.Wat do?
>>2871069>mostly>>2870935>jack shitSo you already know where you went wrong.https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2024/04/24/manufacturing-companies-are-bringing-work-back-to-the-u-s-from-asia/71931591007/https://fortune.com/2023/10/07/manufacturing-returning-to-usa-boom-times-builders-sterling-infrastructure/
>>2871365you didn't miss out. I bought Ryobi and I had a saw and a drill fail within a year.a Bluetooth speaker has its button press in and never come out and had a battery fail because of a stupid little metal tab on the clip.I'm glad I got away from it before I was in for thousands. Ryobi is fine, but it's boomer fine the way chicken nuggets are fine compared to grilled chicken.you see it everywhere cause they are dumping cheap shit everywhere. I say this not even shitting on Ryobi. it feels like a step between Walmart and DeWalt before you get to Milwaukee.I'm the white trash fuck above.
>>2871365stick to Milwaukee and just buy higher quality less often.if you need a throw away tool get a cheap Amazon no name that take Milwaukee's batteries.
>>2871351thanks. I like learning. now if I ever need it I have a method to record and send a small size file gif to someone.people been spending a lot of time on me in a 3d printing thread so I should return effort.
>>2871319>they are individualized? if I flipped it upside down, would stuff in drawer 3 go to drawer 2 or 1?I think stuff would stay in the same drawers. I've never had that issue with the latch, either.
>>2871367Why lie about this? Those aren't thanks to Trump in any way.
>>2871404I assume my latch was a quality control issue. but it should be mentioned because of quality control.thank you for answering.
>>2871484I mean, mine pop a bit hard too on the XL box, but that's to be expected of a latch that actually seals the case with a gasket.
>>2870451Im lazy that's why
>>2870451I haven't chosen a brand at this point. Just still running ac tools from various brands, mostly hazard fart specials.
>>2871640So lazy you didn't include which brand you bought.
>>2870752Makes me want to watch home improvement.
>>2871639I misunderstood.I thought we were talking about the latch on the side that won't latch without me touching it.the opening issue with it being too hard is a strictly me issue. like I said, just move my thumb or rest my palm on the latch as open it.the front latch isn't a quality control issue, their suppose to be that tight.
>>2870451obviously whichever the most diverse yootoober tells me to buy
>>2871405>Those aren't thanks to Trump in any way.https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2024/04/24/manufacturing-companies-are-bringing-work-back-to-the-u-s-from-asia/71931591007/>"Tariffs of up to 50% on foreign-made washing machines, imposed in 2018 and which expired in early 2023, boosted U.S. appliance making as GE and Korean manufacturers Samsung and LG opened or expanded plants in Kentucky, South Carolina and Tennessee.">general point that manufacturers have been moving production from China to the US due to factors including tariffs on Chinese goodshttps://fortune.com/2023/10/07/manufacturing-returning-to-usa-boom-times-builders-sterling-infrastructure/>"That’s as private companies announced $516 billion of investments since President Joe Biden took office, according to White House figures last updated September 26. That half a trillion dollars is less a catalyst and more the escalation of a trend that started gaining traction during the Trump administration. “The trade war [with China] was the first big shock,”">"The appeal of nearshoring will likely grow as US-China relations remain tense. President Biden has allowed Trump-era tariffs on Chinese goods to continue">similar general point to previous aricleAny questions?
>>2871695Good luck with the the incoming inflation from mass adoption of tariffs on everything, dumbfuck.
>>2870953He'll be aborted before that happens
>>2870451>ITT: Why you chose your tool ecosystemDuh.Because it's the best (the best! the best! the best!)!No but seriously, according to the internet Milwokee M12 seems to be quite powerful for a 12V system and they where the first that had a set without filler tools at a good price when I wanted to get some battery tools after buying a house and I wanted something light and compact, yet powerful enough for some serious use.And so far, yeah, they're decent for the upper end of homeowner tier tools. Don't know if I'd trust them for pro tier. Their "only heavy duty" feels more like marketing.So I've got the second M, Metabo.Now that's heavy duty!Also, I really like the fact that you get a manual with your stuff that actually explains things and not just a few pictures of things that you can figure out anyways as you get with Milwaukee, without any explantion about stuff like WHAT THE FUCKING BLINKING PATTERNS MEAN WHEN THE TOOL CUTS OUT! But for light duty, Milkyway is fine.
When the last set of batteries for my old Panasonic finally gave up the ghost, I got Ryobi 18v because of the price point, easily available locally, and the large selection of non-construction stuff they have for around the house. Bought first set 5 years ago, built a house with it. Only issues so far are a crunchy chuck on the old brushed drill/driver and one dead battery pack after 4 years. Had picked up a newer brushless to replace it, but once I got the Ridgid it just becomes the handy second drill with whatever specialty bit I will occasionally need on the project (usually countersink or self-centering bit).Got da Ridgid 18v track saw because I handled it and saw it was leaps-and-bounds ahead of the Ryobi (fucking plastic baseplate and wing-nut adjustments). Like them alot, so slowly replacing high-use stuff with Ridgid during the better sales events.Got da Milwaukee 12v drill/driver/impact-driver set because of a well priced deal a couple Black Fridays ago (honestly the really nice tool-bag it came with was one sealed the deal). Very convenient small size is great for random light-duty and electrical stuff. It is what stays in my go-bag of tools that is always in the car. Also been replacing hand tools with Milwaukee as they break/wear-out. Have spent 30 years with grab-bags of random tools I got cheap, decided to just become a brand whore. Haven't been disappointed by anything but the price thus far.
>>2871816> set of batteries for my old Panasonic finally gave up the ghost, I got RyobiTalk about a reversal of fortunes!Get some nicd replacement batteries from china and rebuild the panasonic pack.I did a dewalt and a ryobi one+ for $36 in these pre-tabbed 2/3 C nicd cells, they go for around 10 years.The days you can replace cells is drawing to a close with DRM.A lot of companies are good at precisely three things: generating e-waste, stealing money from the company, and scamming their own customers.
>>2870451Is this possible to cut your own head with circular saw?
I don't buy into ecosystems.I buy the best tool for the job.I have a Metabo cordless drill since it's by far the best one feature wise, I can pull of the chuck in one simple motion and have a super short compact and lightweight driver with shittons of torque, no other drill can do that and i use it a lot. Needless to say it's a high quality tool in the first place.I have a FEIN Multimaster since the vibration dampening on them is far superior to any other knockoff and I don't want to kill my wrists and nerve endings, and they're in general the best in class overall.I have a Festool tracksaw because they make the best one.Stop the tribalism, it's a dumb marketing thing they do to make you buy more of their mediocre tools.
I went with Milwaukee because those are the tools my dad gave me.
HARTbc its basically dirt cheap Ryobijust wait for Walmart yellow tag salesgot my impact, drill, inflator, for $20 ea at separate timesgot 2 batteries with an impact driver kit that was a gift and one more battery came with the drillthe blue and white looks good too
>>2871854>I have a Metabo cordless drillWhat one is this?>Stop the tribalism, it's a dumb marketing thing they do to make you buy more of their mediocre tools.There definitely is lots of cringe tribalism, but it does make sense to try to stick to a few battery ecosystems. You effectively eat up backup capacity every time you have to buy and store a battery you can only use on some particular tool, meanwhile... your examples are actually perfect, Metabo and Fein are CAS and Ampshare, there's only a few performance heavy or rare tool types you'd have to reach outside either of those systems to get a solid one. Like I don't think there's a big concrete saw there for instance.
>>2870451I’m a ridgid loser :(
>>2871170Yea I’ve owned some ryobi, and some porter cable (which used to be a solid brand in our parents time but is now just cheaper shit) but a lot of it has burnt out, and some was stolen. How pathetic must one’s life be to steal a drill from a working class person you’re gonna be able to pawn for 30$ max? Beyond meI’m more careful with my tools now and obsessively lock them up when they’re out of my sight at all, so I’d like to invest in something a little better, that at least won’t burn out cutting through anything harder than poplar. If a tool is cheap enough or not used very often im all for the harbor freight option, but at a certain point it becomes less annoying to just get something a little better that will hopefully last a little longer. >rigidI’ve heard a lot about how their warranty is good for the price
I've built many sheds, yards, decks, fences, trailers, and going for two houses soon. all with ryobi.All tools work the same. buy whatever you can afford. anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot who bought a [color] tool and used it 2, 3 times and needs to justify his existence to you.
>>2871740I don't get my housing, transportation, food, energy, or healthcare from China. How about you?
>>2872001>I’ve heard a lot about how their warranty is good for the priceMake sure you register your tools!That being said, if you’re a DIYer and like to consoom, I wouldn’t make their LSA your main deciding factor. Milwaukee gives you 5 years on tools, 3 on most batteries. Pretty much the rest of the brands are 3 years. Unlike Harbor Freight’s 90 days, the 3+ year warranty gives you enough time to know if you’re going to fry a defective tool or battery. Aside from that, with DIY use, you should get 5 years out of batteries easy and more like 10 years out of the tools, and if they fail at that point or you break them doing something dumb, you probably want to upgrade to the new model anyway.The main thing that appeals to me is the battery LSA, I’m curious to see how the process will be, especially when I finally burn up something on the discontinued 12V tools. If it’s easy, I will be stoked if I can swap out my 5+ year old 4.0Ah packs and grab a fresh pack for another 5 years. Only thing I have warrantied so far was a Ryobi that an old lady killed by likely leaving it in a tool in her trunk for months and over-discharged it, and it wasn’t registered, but I sent them the serial #s of the tool, charger, and battery from the kit and they mailed me a brand new battery in a couple days and I was able to pop the tamper proof seal off the old one and recover the cell and keep the old battery as well. That wasn’t Ridgid, but same parent company.
>>2872031>He thinks these things won't be affected because he doesn't know how deeply interconnected things areTrump's first rounds of tariffs absolutely fucked over American farmers.https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/
>>2870451Dewalt, simply because of availability and pricing. I prefer being able to go to Lowe's OR Home Depot and they tend to go on better sales than Milwaukee, you can basically get a whole DeWalt setup for Ryobi prices if you're patient, maybe because there's the competition between those two big hardware chains. I might have considered Metabo or Makita but I do both home DIY and a lot of automotive and those brands are way behind on automotive tools.>>2870806>The dewalt factories in the US are for show, they just screw the two made-in-china clamshells together and slap on the stickers.This isn't entirely true, they actually build motors and gearboxes in the US. They only do it for a few models (mostly/entirely drills) and only because of sourcing requirements for government contracts though.
>>2872134> they actually build motors and gearboxes in the USChecked. I guess it depends on your definition of ‘build’Surprisingly, they do actually wind their own armatures on the motor, but it doesn’t look like they punch out the silicon steel laminations or make the armature core. Still, it’s a start, but I’m convinced the US can’t make a complete tool motor from scratch.> government contractsAnd yes, you’re probably going to retain some vestigial ability todo so for US wartime purposes at the very least.
>>2870451Grew up learning the basics from my dad who was a signage installer and really loved makita, never understood what he meant when he said makitas just felt better to use until I got into the trades and got my hands on other brands, no matter the tool my makitas just felt better, bosch is a close second for me though. Only downside is that makitas 12v line blows donkey dick
After having used almost every color of cordless tool, I just bought Hart stuff from walmart for myself. It's just recolored ryobi with not-retarded batteries, and individual walmart locations will randomly mark their hart stuff down 50%+ off throughout the year for who knows why. I have the drill, impact driver, 1/2" impact wrench, tire inflator, 3/8" ratchet, leaf blower, stick vacuum, 5 different lights including a tripod work light, a 12" cordless/corded hybrid fan, about 10 batteries, and I think I have around $500-600 spent total.
>>2872134>I prefer being able to go to Lowe's OR Home DepotIf you're looking at the tool branding, keep in mind that the "Power Detect" Lowes sells is just a store-exclusive relabelled version of XR tools. HD, Amazon, and other sellers carry Flexvolt Advantage tools that, while not 60V tools, get a solid performance boost from 60V batteries compared to XR.Basically, Lowes got whiny at DeWalt that they wanted a branding draw nobody else could have, so DW just said "fine, here."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCjaMZR6PI
>>2872089>Trump's first rounds of tariffs absolutely fucked over American farmers.https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/>the tariffs didn't bother the farmers at all>what bothered the farmers was China cutting off food imports>the value of this trade disruption is les than 1% of US production
>>2870451Anything cordless besides drill/impact kit is faggot tier
>>2872238
>>2872259Not jelly, just old and rubbish
>>2872238What about cordless flashlights?
>>2872286> cordless flashlightsWhat about them?
>>2872089The reduction in demand for food with the Chinese response led to LOWER food prices, which is why the farmers got financial assistance.
>>2870451DeWalt 18 volt to start because I picked up 6 different tools, 4 batteries, 2 chargers, a carry bag, accessories, and manuals for $175 at a pawnshop. As time went by, I migrated to the DeW 20v tools. There’s an adapter so you can run 18v tools on 20v batteries. I used that until I had shifted completely to 20 v everything. Sold the 4 remaining 18v tools, etc., on CL for $150 last month. I got about 13 years out of those pawnshop tools.
ryobi did me great until i had to start using my personal tools atwork
>>2872265you sound jelly because youre poor man
>>2872599What?20V is just 18V batteries where they did round it up because bigglyer number = betterer. A lot of tool brands sell the same tool as 20V in the US because of said reason and as 18V in the EU, I think there’s some rules about not being allowed to sell stuff with wrong numbers. Same with 36V = 40V. It’s just marketing.
>>2872633Anon is referring to the older NiCad batteries marketed as 18V. They used the same operating voltage as the newer lithium batteries, but DeWalt marked that change with a different name and battery-tool interface. Hence the adapter anon mentioned which allows the use of the new batteries on the old tools.>Same with 36V = 40V. It’s just marketing.Kinda. It's open circuit voltage vs active use voltage, based on 4V or 3.6V per lithium cell respectively. Five cells in series gives 20/18V, while three gives 12/10.8V. Either nominal description is accurate.
>>2872644> marked that change with a different nameExcept in countries where fraud is illegal.The nominal voltage had been the standard for decades. The 20 V was just another marketing trick since they’d run out of legal ones.It’s would be the same as some retard marketing a standard 6-cell lead acid car battery as 16 volts. 16 is better than 12, right?Same people that love their 6.5 HP shop vacs.
>>2872675>Except in countries where fraud is illegal.What is fraudulent about it? If you check a freshly-charged battery with a voltmeter, what voltage do you think you'd measure? DeWalt wasn't the first to do this to differentiate new battery systems from old ones. Bosch, Milwaukee, Makita, and others have used nominal 4V per cell values. "12V" is the more-common way to describe 3-series batteries, even when the same company uses 18V for 5-series batteries. And would you care to quote a law regarding nominal voltage on power tool batteries? This has been repeated a lot, but no one I've seen make that claim has substantiated it.>marketing a standard 6-cell lead acid car battery as 16 volts.The open circuit voltage of a lead-acid battery is 2.1V per cell, meaning 12.6V fully charged when new, no load. A 16V battery wouldn't be able to recharge on the 14V electrical supply that's standard on cars.>Same people that love their 6.5 HP shop vacs.And if they love it for that "peak" power rating, they don't understand what it means. The meaning of a 20V nominal battery isn't mysterious. It serves to identify compatibility with tools and chargers that use the same nominal voltage and branding.
>>2870451>15 years old>grandpa gifts me an old (20 years +) Fein drill his company wanted to trash because it only had one speed>dad recently bought a brand new Bosch>my Fein is way nicer to work with>two years later, the Bosch is broken (the chuck kept seizing up) while the Röhm chuck on my Fein keeps chucking along>Meanwhile, bought a Black&Decker angle grinder second hand bcs it was cheap, realized the bearings were wonky>Can't repair it because the bearing is pressed into a dead-end hole and impossible to remove, would need to replace the entire head assembly>spare parts are as expensive as a new grinder>decide to buy something better instead>compare spare-parts catalogues of any "good" company I'm aware of>Fein is the only one that not only sells the bearings separately, but also provides Blueprints that clearly show that the bearings are removable>End up buying a Fein angle grinderSince then I've been pretty much set on buying Fein for any tool I'm going to use more than once. Sure, it's expensive, but if you've ever planned on working on a project over a prolonged holiday like christmas, only for your shitty Bosch drill to break on the first day, you know why getting good tools is worth it.Also kinda funny when I'm helping out aquaintances and they assume I'm using some sort of chink brand ("Fein" means "good" in my native language, so it sounds like those amazon brand names the chinese use) and tell me to just go get Bosch / Makita / Hilti / whatever brand their favourite diy youtuber shills.
>>2872675>It’s would be the same as some retard marketing a standard 6-cell lead acid car battery as 16 volts.You are very misinformed. They usually sit at 12.6-12.8 unloaded. Charging is around 14 volts.
>>2872159I'm pretty sure we could, there are other scratch-built electric motors made in the US (also largely for defense and aerospace, but also industrial applications) and we may even have fully US-made tools for specialty stuff, I know we did a few years back. Control chips are the only parts of a modern power tool that I'm not sure if we could make. >>2872203Yeah I'm aware. I research anything significant before I buy it so it doesn't make a huge difference to me. I'm also not really planning on anything that needs 60v batts, I can deal with corded for most things in that category.
>>2872694its pretty much not worth it at all for the average person though. Youre paying a large premium to have it made in the US. If thats what you want to do, more power to ya
>>2871040i got the walmart version of the tough kit for like <25% of the other brands and it works plenty well for it's purpose. i bought a few extra layers of compartmental storageper threadmilwauke has been great as my work tools, they take a beating and warranty is fantastic/quick/unquestioningall the tools work gretthe 'HACKZALL' is the best form of any of the brands for fitting in tight spacesthe m12 line is increaidbly compact and powerfuli even got their leaf blower used for $80 and it's bangerif i ever get a house I'll definitely invest in their pole arm/trimmer/edger combo shitlove emI also went with some ryobi tools for light use tools that are way overpriced with milwauke like air compressor, lights, rotary saw... i like some of their tool gimmicks the other brands don't do, like the circular saw having a super fucking useful laser guide and the impact having a magnetic trayrigid/makita i've used when working with others just out of curiosity and had no complaintsdewalt is yellow and that's lamedad has all dewalt and they feel inferior to my tools, but they're also all over a decade old and i'm sure have inferior motors to the new oneshonorable mentions, harbor freight generators are quite fine and rigid compact shop vacs are the best option
>>2870451these are literally the political compass quadrant colors
>>2872884I have the Dewalt equivalent of that Hackzall and it's awesome. Never realized how much I needed a one-handed sawzall until I had one. The Milwaukee form factor does look pretty good.
>>2872953The hackzalls are nice when you want to support something with your other hand, but tbqhwy, I was surprised how much better my full size sawzall is when I really lean into the thing. Other than the non-Fuel M12, most of the one handed designs are nearly as large as a full size two handed saw. I think they lose out on stroke a lot with that design. For how small the orange “subcompact” impact and drill were, I guess I expected their subcompact hackzall to be smaller. Also the power difference could be less about the hackzall and more about the sawzall, that thing has orbital action and Ridgid’s Octane stuff was often more powerful than he M18 Fuel from the same era.I use it a lot for pruning trees and such because I can grab a branch I’m cutting to keep it from whacking me in the head when the blade cuts through.
>>2872941im14&thisisdeep but it fits way too wellconsider a case where>impact wrench fails to loosen a boltteam green>oh man it must be the will of the universe it couldnt get it. whatever. everybody has off days. only thing that matters is it tried its bestteam red>how dare you speak blasphemy against the infallible tool. it is you who mis-saw. it loosened it with ease and could do much more. off to the gulags for youteam blue>absolute great shame has been brought to our company. we must shun and abandon that battery bloodline forever and create another from the ashesteam yellow>haha impact go brrrr. put the 60v on it and see if itll eat. sorry about your wrist bro
>>2872981If the current top red and yellow impact wrenches can't break something free, you're gonna need more extreme measures.
>>2872986Like your father’s old breaker and/or cheater bar
>>2872953> hackzall yeah, I to a lot of, um… repair? yeah… repair! that’s the ticket! … work on catalytic converters and the outlet is inconvenient for me. because reasons.
>>2872992Or a torch.
>>2872993>tfw old Junkie friend stole another friend’s Milwaukee sawzall and said “Bro I borrowed it to steal cats and the cops rolled up on me so I had to drop it and run”The sad thing was junkie friend was totally lying because he’s too lazy to get under a car and hack off cats and he definitely just sold the thing at the pawn shop for like 3 hours worth of dope. And the buddy whose Sawzall it was is all trying to be a good friend like “Damn at least you didn’t get arrested!”I wonder if that old junkie friend is dead yet, last I heard was he absconded from his parole and was on and off homeless.>>2872992if you don’t know, you don’t know. There’s a lot of stuff that is such a huge pain in the ass with even the longest breaker bar and a good ugga dugga will zip it right off. Certain fasteners respond way better to the rattling of the impact than constant torque of a wrench. Watch a boomer try to change his mower blades and you will understand,
>>2872960It definitely loses a bit of power compared to traditional ones, but being able to support things with the other hand really is game-changing. I'm in the process of selling and moving out of a house my family's been in for 30 years and it's been a godsend, both doing yard stuff like you mentioned and cutting up various old furniture and other junk so that it'll fit in the trash or my truck bed for the dump. I actually need to use it today to cut up some half-rotten scrap wood that was buried in the overgrowth on the far side of my yard for years.
I choose Fatmax
>>2871382Just get webmforretards/webmforbakas, you don't need to bust your ass trying to fit video into a 3 second .gif and if you really have to send it to someone just upload it to a webm sharing site.
>>2870451Milwaukee because they were the only ones who made a fuckhueg impact wrench at the time that also didn't cost $1,000. I've grown my cordless tool collection as a result of it coming with 2 5.0AH batteries. Corded stuff can be anything, I'm not picky as long as it works.
Hilti and Milwaukee, stolen.
>>2870451Craftsman, because my dad got me a starter tool set as a housewarming gift, and I don't want to change brands because I'm already too deep in the ecosystem.
>>2873170>15 year old DeWalt brushed tools with new branding
>>2873195It's Craftsman get it right.
>>2873182I would never want to own Hilti and bring it to jobsites. There was a dude out repairing some loading dock lifts with new Hilti stuff charging down a ways in the warehouse, and I aint no thief, but the former Newport smoker in me was like “Damn extra-discount Hilti 22V starter kit laying right there if I want it!”
>>2871740Cope harder faggot
>>2873212You're going to be hurting more, dumbass.
>>2870452>I just have a bunch of shit in RyobiYou picked wrong. There's a reason why they call that brand "Cryobi".
>>2873229Who callis is “Cryobi”? You and some obscure Youtuber who is always taking apart broken Milwaukee tools that died a premature death?
>>2873206
Its fine, the jobsite were just renting them so its not some worker that misses his tools
>>2870452Same here, it was a good deal when I bought the full tool bag, and I've had no reason to change to another brand. I do prefer Milwaukee's feel in general, but I'm not paying the markup caused by basic bitch construction bros who insist the red plastic makes them better at framing a minimum-budget clone house.
>>2873231>some obscure YoutuberWho?
>>2873315Some canadian guy who is mildly entertaining for 2-1/2 videos and then annoying. >>2873302Another satisfied Ryobi user!
>>2873327Who, exactly?
>>2873340Could be AvE. That sounds like an AvEism.
>>2870451Went with Milwaukee because they seemed to lean more into automotive tools than the others at the time. Honestly I would've stuck with Ryobi if they had decent impact wrenches at the time, now they do and I'm kind of kicking myself for it.
>>2873231I'm a sycophantic Ryobifaggot good goyim drone unit and I call it cRyobi all the time because it's funny.cRyobi, DeFalt, Will-fuck-ye, Muhkita, Crapsman, Masterfarce, Smackin' Pecker, Porter Cable (no change required the necro brand is already a joke), and so on.
>>2873327>>2873340>>2873386He really likes plastic molds! And he got a CNC machine and has spent the post-Covid era making a titanium bookmark on said CNC and releasing a video on that bookmark once every 6 months.
>>2873417>DeFaltYou misspelled it, it's DeFault, as in usually a good choice to default to if you can't decide and want a decent tool.
>>2870451I chose Milwaukee because we used them at the job I had decades ago and I was already familiar with them. I don't think there's a best, I own some DeWalt stuff too, just pick a brand. They're all pretty good to be honest. The only caveat I would make is avoid Ryobi if you can afford it and you're making a living with them. If you're just a casual diy, then Ryobi is great.
>>2870451>Milwaukee M18When I lived in Milwaukee, I used to have a bar buddy who was a Milwaukee engineer. He said he'd be willing to get me steep discounts on batteries and tools, since he had a pretty kick ass employee discount that they'd let him use for gifting tools to friends and family.>He never made good on it
>>2873819so you still use the corded b&d drill your pawpaw left you?
>>2870451I use Milwaukee.I don't think its the best I think they have the best lineup for what we do. Farm and automotive.
>>2870451Bosch because there was a sale and then I had the batteries and they were one of the first to have one handed battery operated reciprocating saws. The collection just expanded from there because I didn't want a bunch of different chargers. Milwaukee is overpriced. Makita is my preference, DeWalt shit always breaks and Total Shit Tools (Ryobi) is something I won't spend money on.
>>2870830You are definitely over 50
>>2871887I've wondered about their tools. I've been tempted but didn't want to basically buy harbor freight quality
>>2874176HART's tools themselves are alright, they are often literally just a white and blue colorway of Ryobi and sometimes RIGID. But their batteries are abysmally bad, especially the 1.5-2 ones that comes with the kits. I bought their cordless jigsaw in a pinch since I had to take care of a last-minute laminate countertop job and my router and jigsaw were both busted that day and it was 8pm on a Sunday and nothing else but Walmart was open where I was (and I didn't want to do it all with a multitool). And after a full charge, the battery didn't even last 4 feet of cutting through laminate countertop with Bosch laminate jigsaw blades before giving up and having to be charged again. Also charging them with their own fast chargers takes like 2-4 hours for a 1.5ah battery which is just ridiculous. When it worked, it was very comfortable and accurate for a DIY/Prosumer brand though.
>>2873453The sophistication of the joke is that from the pronunciation you would expect it to be spelled "default" for the reasons you indicated but in keeping with the other deprecating names it is intentionally mispelled to imply a malfunction or lack of quality, as though there is a literal "fault" within the phonetic "falt" itself. The contradiction subverts your expectations and thence humor is derived. Beep boop ha ha.>>2874185>1.5ah packsIMHO 2Ah is the minimum viable pack for power tools, anything less is e-waste disproporrtionately vulnerable to cell damage from undervolting even with light use. Doesn't seem to matter what tool brand or cell brand inside the pack, sub-2Ah is just shit while 2Ah+ Just Werx.
>>2874208The 1.5ah packs work fine on the ratchet in my experience. Fundamentally it's a low rpm low torque drill. It doesnt need THE JUICE to do its thing well. That and the smaller footprint is an advantage on the ratchet. Generally I agree though, it's ass on every other tool in the line up.
I went with Dewalt because the contractor I was working for pulled off the project and left a bunch of tools for me to keep.
>>2870458You arent sposed to have clutter in front of your panel like that.
>>2874497Fuck you sparky. I pile my shit where I want.
>>2874497It opens. I didn’t sink any screws into the wall directly above the panel. Gotta do what you gotta do.
>>2871854>Stop the tribalism, it's a dumb marketing thing>just buy the most famous and expensive brand-name version of everything separatelygottem
>>2870451makita cuz pretty shade of green, reminds me of interior of russian fighter jets
>>2870451I bought Milwaukee because expensive = good and there were a lot of combo deals for tools I neededFor shit I don't care about, I buy ryobi reconditioned because it's cheap as dirt
Ryobi, I wanted to update from my 15 year old craftsman that was dying and Ryobi had a bundle sale at the time. Since then it's just been easy to keep buying the same brand when I needed to expand.
>>2870451>>2870451>>2870451why isnt this shit standardized like AAA batteries or USB C ports yet?EU could totally force it to happen...
>>2870451ryobi should be replaced with hikoki on this
>>2874845> why not standardizedIt’s the ink-jet printer cartridge scam.Makita already has DRM so you can’t even replace the batteries if you has the skill to do so. New makita cordless is probably a no/never-go from here on in. They will fall first.The batteries themselves are pretty standard, they could make them replaceable if they wanted to.In bulk, 18650’s are around $1.50 each.>>2874865Hikoki should replace makita. They have made AC adapters (it’s an obvious thing to do, 90% of my other battery operated shit has a DC jack to power it if I don’t use batteries—unless the company is a scammer) and put brushless motors in some of their tools.Not relevant to most power tools, but a common scam for things with built-in charging is to be inoperable *while* charging. In some cases, the charging IC supports this, but they intentionally disable that to get the device lifetime down to 2 years (the life of the battery).I’m pretty convinced alkaline batteries have been designed to leak after a year or two destroying the device. I now get a 100% leakage rate across all brands. I’m still trying to get a D cell out of my maglight flashlight… it’s literally welded itself in there, i have to machine it out.
>>2874871if they made apple use usb C, then they could force a powertool battery standard tooon another note, why isnt there a 3rd party adapter that would let you slot 18650 by default?
>>2874845Because how tool batteries interface with the tools is different by brand, and specific cell types and layouts can have big differences in performance.
>>2870451RyobiGot a very cheap Ryobi hedge trimmer from an estate sale. I found some more Ryobi tools cleaning out my grandparent's house.
i use milwaukee because i grew up in wisconsin. pure nationalist pride
>>2874873Wouldn’t it be great if we lived in a world where USB-C could charge at 5W, and Apple had a proprietary connector that charged at 50W, and the gov’t made Apple use the slow ass USB-C instead?If Apple’s gay proprietary connector was annoying enough that people refused to buy their products, then Apple would switch to a more common one to make money.I agree the lightning adapter is gay, but you’re going to slow down progress when the gov’t mandates everybody uses one thing. If the gov’t said the old style Ryobi 1.5Ah design packs were standard, you wouldn’t have tools getting as powerful as they are getting these days. The two flat small connectors aren’t the best with real high loads, the post on the battery interfered with design of the tool, they might be limited to dimensions which only allow 5x 18650 cells.
>>2874981>Wouldn’t it be great if we lived in a world where USB-C could charge at 5WUSB-C can charge at up to 240W now. It's a connector that supports multiple data and charging standards, including Thunderbolt 4/5.Lightning only supports USB 2.0 and 18w charging.The EU mandate for USB-C was an upgrade. It's a far superior connector that's continually being upgraded.
>>2874999If it's far superior, why did the government need to mandate it?
>>2875017>Childish whining based on no facts
>>2874999Yes. Which is why I said imagine a worse sysem… it’s a hypothetical that people with >80 IQ will get. Like what if Apple has a 200w connector that works perfect and they can’t release it because of EU mandates? They might have one.Look at electric car chargers. The Tesla chargers are the best, and everybody who isn’t on Tesla is like a second class system. Now the government could come along and mandate a garbage slow charge standard because they hate Elon, and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see that because the government sucks.Meanwhile electric cars are likely going to end up with Tesla plugs being the universal design, and that’s because the best design won out. This is how things nathrally work when commie bureaucrats stay out of the way. Companies can innovate and the one that works best will become the standard, or there is never a standard because multiple companies innovate so well that a large enough % of people are willing to get on that system for the perks.
>>2875020>Like what if Apple has a 200w connector that works perfect and they can’t release it because of EU mandates? They might have one.They don't, they were switching to Type-C slowly anyways. The EU mandate is better for consumers. Or do you not remember when every cell phone used its own proprietary chargers?Power tool batteries are a more complicated subject, since to have a good unified standard you first need everyone in the industry to agree on what specs they're all willing to build around.
>>2875028>they were switching to Type-C slowlyOk, so they didn’t need a retarded mandate. Micro-USB sucked, and as more customers complained to Apple, they were going to Type C. Letting the market speak is always the best way. For every one gov’t mandate that is good for consumers, there’s a bunch that makes things worse and stifle innovation.There is that one company making unversal power tool batteries, they tested then on everybody’s 2nd favorite YT channel, and they weren’t the best. Universal is almost always worse.
>>2875019Which one do you disagree with?>it's superior>the government mandated it
>>2875033>>2875035>Muh govmint bad cuz durr
>>2875037commie retard
>>2875038>Everyone who isn't a swastika-waving nazi is a commie!
>>2875041anyone who is oblivious to the reality of free market capitalism is a dirty commie, yes
>>2875033The main reason Apple users got mad is that they can't arrogantly ask if anyone has an iPhone charger anymore.
>>2875042Like you? There is no magic hand that makes things good when there's no governmental control, it just develops into monopolies.And you don't understand what communism is if you think "regulation that forces fair competition and protects the consumer" is "communism."
>>2875044no that's commie rhetoric lmaomonopolies only develop when there is government intervention, like in americahence specifying FREE MARKET CAPITALISMthere is no free market capitalism in the western world anymore, otherwise your neighbor would be able to undercut an upcoming monopoly and interefere in price fixingtelecoms are probably the easiest exampleretard
>>2875045Wow, you are either a troll or nearly braindead.
>>2875020>This is how things nathrally work when commie bureaucrats stay out of the way. Companies can innovate and the one that works best will become the standard, or there is never a standard because multiple companies innovate so well that a large enough % of people are willing to get on that system for the perks.theoretically, you’re right. That’s how shit ought to work in capitalism, if capitalism would work, as it’s supposed to in the economy text books. But we’re in enshittification addicted techno-feudalism, so we get the system that is the cheapest to built and makes the company the most money, by being said cheap, and requiring regular replacement. (Btw, according to the text book, communism also is a pretty good system, but we all know how that worked out. Same with capitalism.>ifonlyyoulnewhowbadthingsreallyare.bmp)
>>2875050It is literally government bureaucratic red tape, licenses, permits, etc that cause thatthe problem isn't capitalism it's the lack of a free market enabling capitalism because...well just look at the thread early today about why companies don't make small trucks anymore (which are objectively kino)because you have to pay a fine if your MPG to size ratio isn't a certain metricso if you make a small truck with the same 'mpg' as a big truck, you now have to pay millions in finesit's insanely not capitalistic, it is in fact communisticif people have unlimited choice, they buy the best product they can justify paying fornowadays people buy the only products available to them, which is a completely different metricagain, telecoms
>>2875050Yep, the core flaw with all "perfect systems" is that they assume that the system itself maintains its integrity and ignores human nature. Without regulation and control, capitalism bends to greed. We have Billionaires because the taxes that disincentivized that kind of wealth concentration went bye-bye. Reagan's tax cuts began a massive shift of wealth from the middle class to a small few at the top after 40 years of a system that still had plenty of rich people, but gave unprecedented prosperity to most of the rest of the country.
>>2875054again government interventionliterally communist brainrot to not understand this
>>2875053Bullshit, the techno-fuedalists only exist because they were able to exploit government inventions, use Post-Reagan tax rates and deregulation to avoid paying taxes, and move too fast for regulation to catch up to them.The entire Gig Economy is a great example of that last part, Uber is an illegal taxi service, AirBnB is illegal hotels, but they grew so fast and so big that it was hard to enforce existing laws while they exploited employees by pretending they were contractors while pushing all operating costs of the physical side onto the workers.
>>2875055Government intervention is the only thing that can fix that problem. The brainrot is coming from inside your own head, buddy.
>>2875056>>2875057you're talking about an ackowledging problems that stem from taxation(illegal) and intervening policies and you think the solution is more government interventionlike lmao
>>2875059>taxation(illegal)>A power laid out in the Constitution is somehow "illegal"Section. 8.The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;16th Amendment:The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.From what source are you making the claim that taxation is illegal?
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>>2875060>16th Amendment:ammendments are bullshit examples of corruptionthe latest i'll tolerate is 15th and even then that's just me being soft hearted>The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United Statesinterpretation and classifications have abused this to no endsame beaurecractic nonsense relevant to the previous issues being discussedso again, corrupt government causing economic problems by abusing it's power, leads to that happening infinitely to our modern hell hole of todaythere is no possible government intervention to repair this, only dissolution
>>2875063>Making shit up because reality doesn't fit his lolbertarian beliefs
>>2875068>ignores the development of reality from historical events and wants to double down on our mistakes cause reasons
>>2875069Yes, that is indeed what you're doing.
well the roads have to be built somehow
>>2875091Well, no they don't. They aren't in plenty of places. Ever seen Empire of Dust?
>>2875020>Look at electric car chargers. The Tesla chargers are the best, and everybody who isn’t on Tesla is like a second class system. Now the government could come along and mandate a garbage slow charge standard because they hate Elon, and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see that because the government sucks.This is the exact opposite of reality, though. The government DID mandate a charging standard, CCS2, which was significantly better than Tesla's NACS, but was forced to back down and support NACS as well because Tesla had already built so much infrastructure. Teslas in Europe use CCS2 by government mandate but can't take advantage of the full speed because their architecture is designed for the inferior standard that they use everywhere else.
>>2870451I got a dewalt drill because my grandpa was named waltI got a dewalt weedwhacker because it uses the same batteries as the drillI got a makita lawnmower because my neighbor had one and it worked fine and the dewalt one looked kinda dopey and didn't use the same batteries as the drill anyways
>>2875247NACS and CCS2 are basically the exact same standard with different plugs.
>>2875276>makita lawnmowerdude this thing uses the base 18v batteries unlke the gay decision by ryobi and dewalt to make 'BIGGER BATTERIES THAT YOU CAN'T USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE'pretty cool. also vertical storage is basedi didn't know makita made a mower so i looked up milwaukee and they also make double 18v mower, but it's literally twice the price and doesn't advertise vertical storage>makita wins this onethough if i wasn't a rentoid i'd buy a big enough place to need a riding mower
>>2875295ok they all veritcally store
>>2875295>dewalt to make 'BIGGER BATTERIES THAT YOU CAN'T USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE'DW's current battery mowers use either 2 standard 20V batteries or 1 60V depending on the model.
>>2875307well it still looks dirpymakita still wins this deal is insane
>>2875309That's an opinion that depends on how much extra useless plastic you want on your mower.
>>2870451Makita, not sure, I was a total noob, but the drill, sawzall and the vaccum cleaner I have so far are a pleasure to work with, so I guess it's fine. I'm mad it never goes on sale where I live meanwhile DeWalt or Ryobi gets 50-60% off all the time, or that the only models that make sense from the price performance standpoint are usually still brushed, although Makita's brushed motors are excelent.
>>2875338also, I'm buying Einhell for stuff I'm gonna use once or twice a year, like an impact wrench, table sander, or a concrete stirrer, because it's sometimes 2-4 times cheaper. I also have a cheap oscilating tool from them, because I thought I'm wasn't gonna use it often and it had a charger and a 2,5Ah battery for "free" at the time, but it turned out to be my most used tool and I'm considering buying a Makita one. not sure how much of an upgrade it would be, though
I bought Einhell because I can get all the tools for next to nothing second hand, and they're not awful. My lawnmower was a hundred bucks. Sure, the cowl for the blade is plastic and it might only last 10 years, but none of these battery systems are going to last 20 years anyway, all these dogshit companies change up the standard every few years to force you to buy new shit.Everything else is still just as expensive second hand, even if it's half broken and abused. If I did this shit as a job I'd buy the big dick stuff, but for home use any cheap battery system is fine.
>>2870451>>2870452>>2873302>>2870458How's the corded Ryobi sliding 9'' mitter saw? Should I get it for 150$, or an entry level Einhell/Ozito one for similar price?
>>2870451The question isn't either, it's just "which brand gave you a good deal for a bunch of batteries". That's all that matters, that's where the money is. Ryobi shouldn't be here, it's in Black and Decker/Craftsman tier. Good if you're not doing this daily, fine, don't worry about it. Otherwise Rigid, Dewalt, and Makita are all basically the same, decent tools that break after 5 years with batteries that leak/fail to charge after 3. Milwaukee is the exception which is why they cost like twice as much as everything else. Choose how you loose.
>>2876282A 9" miter saw is going to be a "why the fuck did I buy that useless thing" buy in a couple years as you're shopping for a 12" and can't find anyone to offload it onto.
>>2870451It's probably uncommon in the US, but in Europe there's also Einhell brand. They have a huge selection of tools, almost Ryobi tier, and most of their stuff is cheap junk that comes apart in your hands (the price really reflects this though, they're extremely inexpensive), i.e. home TH and classic TC lines, but their professional line tools (with product codes starting TP) are really nice, are all brushless, have a 10 year warranty and are usually considerably cheaper than similar models from other brands. It's weird no one ever talks about it, their cordless mixer is probably the nicest tool to work with I have and no other brand had something like this that wasn't corded.
>>2876297I only need it for things like floorboards and panelings (unless I pick up woodworking because of it), so it should be enough.
>>2876300Uncommon is an understatement, never even heard of it.
>>2870752I want to go back
>>2876301If you're absolutely sure you don't need anything bigger or if you don't have the room, that's fine, but I find myself regretting purchases that I limited myself on more often than not. Usually with saws, funny enough.
makita tools are a great way to tell how much longer the job is going to take
>>2870451I buy Truper tools because is mexican brand (like half of the stuff comes from china though) and Im mexican, they are not very good but they are adequate and good value, if I need assistance I guess they are one of the best choices, american tools look very good but I assume the support and warranty stuff would be a pain to deal with if I even can redeem them.
>>2876334>doing it right is badNo sir you dont worry about joist hanger. Two toe nail is fine
>>2876300>cordless mixerLike a kitchen mixer???
>>2876441Probably like a paint/mortar/cement mixer.
>>2876529>Probably like a paint/mortar/cement mixer.He said no other brand had anything like it that wasn't corded... I know for a fact milwaukee makes a cordless variable speed mortar mixer drill, because I own one. I guess that is what threw me for a loop...
>>2876630If he's in Europe, Milwaukee is pretty rare.
>>2870451I work at a resale shop so I have chargers and batteries for almost every brand. Most of the tools I've come across were Ryobi (of course, people want to keep their better tools) but the only tools I buy from stores are Makita, because Makita isn't owned by any other conglomerate or any of that shit. Just trying to support the little guy in a world of tools where every brand essentially performs as good as the next one.
>>2876686By that logic, buying Mafell, Metabo, Fein, or even Bosch should be good too.
>>2876692Those are not brands I ever see or come across
>>2876686Isn't this outdated? Hitatchi sold Metabo and HTP. SK was sold to china. Add Delta Machinery to Stanly,Black&Decker.Where isAmerican(Klein, Tekton, Sunex, Ingersoll-Rand, Eklind, Swanson, Estwing, Channelock, Warner, Werner, Marshalltown, Spyder, Century)German(Knipex, Stihl, Fiskar, Wera)Japanese( Vessel)picrel is from>https://pressurewashr.com/tool-industry-behemoths/We, needs to do more research, for a bigger chart.
>>2876686>where every brand essentially performs as good as the next one.Actual testing shows this meme is false.
>>2876441>>2876529>paint/mortar/cement mixeryeah. I got the brushless 2 gear version of the one on your pic. it's great>>2876630>>2876680>If he's in Europe, Milwaukee is pretty rare.exactly this. it may be sold in the US, but not where I live. only essential Milwaukee stuff is available and the catalogs differ a bit in general, e.g. saw some hammers (heavy eigineer's hammers with a hickory handle if I remember correctly) that aren't listed on the Milwaukee US site, but they're on the dot eu one.
>>2876841*in
>>2871065>>2871085>Whatever I need and is on sale.it only works for corded tools, because paying for a new battery system each time is retarded, unless you fish for deal where they e.g. include a free battery at a certain price treshold or with certain tools
>>2873170not sure I'd buy any of their powertools, but I really like Fatmax hand tools. they're crude, durable, not as chinky as yellow Stanley nowadays and usually the best bang for a buck. their chisel was the only one I could find with the rod going all the way to the striking cap, it was also the one with the thickest blade and at a fraction of the price of the next cheapest one.
>>2876717We don’t need a bigger chart, because people like you will look at it without understanding how industies work and make broad assumptions thay are totally wrong.That chart is for power tools, and it does a bad job explaining that. Some of these brands don’t manufacture anything, some brands manufacture stuff for other brands on that chart, and there’s OEMs that aren’t on here that manufacture stuff for tons of other brands. It can’t be easily explained by a chart like this.
>>2870451My only requirement is that it's not made by Chinks.
>>2870806>SB&D actually run their own factories in china.That doesn't mean shit. Still ain't buying your Chinkahit.
>>2871069>Chinese trade production has been consistent.>>>2871367 #The fuck does that even mean?
>>2871740>Could you suck Lil purple Chink dick any harder?
>>2876875>>2876877>Retards think tariffs are charged to the country they're against, not to the end buyer
>>2876868nobody gives a fuck what you say because you're a namefag
>>2876903fuck off with your globohomo bs, tariffs work and everyone knows it
>>2876912>t. trumpsucker who actually believes the shit the man says
>>2876911Tripfag*That chart is most often posted along with retardation like “Ryobi is last year’s Milwaukee with a different color” with absolute certainty and expertise on the topic that board members of Techtronic Industries Company Limited of Hong Kong couldn’t spout.Now if somebody did some real research and could make a map of every tool factory and the people who own and operate it and a list of products they make, that would be cool. But that would be lengthy and need constant updating because nonody outside of the company can really keep track of which Chinese factory a batch of Icon screwdrivers came from.
>>2876954I mean, there's some cases where it's clear that consumer brands under the same parent company are getting the pro brand's older tooling to make basically the same older, outdated tools in a way that doesn't devalue the pro line, like how a lot of B&D and Stanley power tools are clearly older model DeWalts in design, but manufactured less expensively.
>>2876954A tripfag becomes a namefag when the tripfag puts a recurring name in the Name field.
>>2876981Incorrect, a namefag has no trip.
>>2876954The chart is more complicated (and dynamic) than that.It shows Ridgid as being “Emerson” and AEG being “TTI” but the same factory was making the Jobmax and the OmniPro. Even in the same goddamn color!
>>2876988Yes because Ridgid is a plumbing tool company and Home Depot licenses their name to put on their orange store brand power tools. That’s the red Ridgid, so it’s not under TTI. Not sure who manufactures the actual red Ridgid plumbing tools like the presses.If Kobalt is under Lowe’s, Orange Ridgid belongs with Husky and HDX.
>>2876984Some namefags are also tripfags. Do you need me to make a Venn diagram?
>>2876988>>2876995Also see my post here >>2876868That’s why that chart is kinda dumb and a bigger chart would look like a rogue FBI detective’s board while trying to chase down a serial killer. It would be confusing as shit and never really explain it.I’m always wondering who actually does the design and stuff for Ridgid tools, like are they rebranded AEG tools? Or is AEG a rebranded Ridgid tool? Do Home Depot people comission the designs? Probably would have to see sales numbers comparing them. I remember looking at the Bunning’s website and the Aussies had some AEG yard tools awhile before any of it was out in the US, but Ridgid seemed to have more offerings overall, and it really makes no sense they wouldn’t slap the Ridgid brand on some of the AEG tools and sell them on HD’s website if they didn’t have the shelf space in-store, unless maybe they didn’t want to eat into Milwaukee or Ryobi sales in the states?
>>2876997You could make one, but it would be wrong.
>>2876692>support small guy>bosch
>>2876999Besides the obviousness that, whatever the state of affairs, a Venn diagram could accurately describe it:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Fags_of_4chanhttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=namefaghttps://www.powerthesaurus.org/namefag/definitionshttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/namefag
>>2877001>newfag is getting his definitions on Urban DickshunaruMy friend, lurk moar
>>2877015It's a collection of crowdsourced definitions of Internet slang. If you disagree with the definitions given there (NONE of which agree with you), can you find a single reference on the Internet which claims that a namfag can't use a tripcode? Because it looks like you just made it up ourself.
>>2877001>>2877047>Hardcore newfaggotry
>>2872869>Fein>Youre paying a large premium to have it made in the USIt's a German company, producing in Germany, with mostly German suppliers. I'm also German. How does the US get involved in there?
Corded, I don't care about the brand. I have Makita, Bosch, old Craftsman, old Porter Cable, and some others in that order of tool quantity. Cordless, it's either Milwaukee or Fein (with Bosch batteries now) for me. Fein corded brushless grinders and multitools are also really nice.
>>2877001Also I never gave you the dignity of reading that whole post, but I noticed now that you never did your research and looked up the definition of “Tripfriend” to see that a tripfriend often includes the name and tripcode, while a namefag is a name with no trip. It’s not that confusing if you have been lurking this shithole for more than 2 months and learn by lurking rather than Urban Dicktionary.
>>2877112>“Tripfriend”Jesus fucking christ...
>>2877112>It’s not that confusingNo, it isn't. A tripfag... is someone who uses a tripcode. A namefag... is someone who posts using a name other than "Anonymous". It's possible to do one, the other, both, or neither, since those two things are independent of each other. You, Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw, are both. Do you have anything to say (at all) to actually support your claim?
>>2877194>So new he's looking up the definitionsLurk moar
>>2877194See >>2877224
>>2877224Concession accepted.
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>>2870451I run what works and it doesn't need to be the best possible tool, merely fit for purpose. I don't need to have a favorite tool, I have work to do.
>>2877001>fresh off the boatsome wiki entries made by your reddit friends won't change the fact that the term namefag has never been used in this way here, which you'd know if you weren't a newfag trying to fit in
>>2877914>newfagYou're correct, but as someone who's been here since before Chanology, I know that personal reputations have no bearing on the soundness of an argument. Which is part of the point of the default anonymity, and why namefags are widely regarded as extra faggy.>some wiki entriesWhich is more than what anyone else has posted to support their point. Consider that, if you were correct, there would be something on the Internet about the term being used that way, rather than the reference sites which document that sort of Internet jargon agreeing with my position. So, can you find anything?
>>2878262>>>/9gag/I think your on the wrong website anon. No upvotes here! Just a bunch of folks telling you that you’re wrong.
>>2878262just stop being a faggot for god's sake
>>2878266As I said, concession accepted. You've abandoned the actual argument.
I've inherited most of my tools which are corded milwaukee or bosch, not long ago I bought a jasper impact and regular cordless drill with a battery and charger (all separate) for €100, survived a couple drops from the roof, the small battery lasted a week of light work and with the exception of the anti slip pads that are barely molded into the body the build quality is pretty good, so I guess I'll go with jasper for all my hobbyist needs
>>2870451Out of 4 in pic, anyone not choosing Milwaukee is a retardBut overall, everyone should be getting Hilti
>>2870451>start working as hvac tradie>friend sells me his old dewalt tools for cheap to get me startedNow I'm stuck in their battery ecosystem, but I'm not mad about it. Only downside is most of the other people I work with use milwaukee so I can't borrow their batteries if mine die
>>2878381Pretty sure you can buy an adapter for most batteries, probably only adds another 50g to your work bag.
>>2878387I work service now so I'm on my own most days
>>2878276t. Eric Cartman but not as bright
>>2878381> other people I work with use milwaukeeI work in the northern half of the US, when winter comes, no battery tools work, so we don’t have any.Of course we do have the odd Milwaukee, hole hawg and whatnot.
>>2878526i worked through a winter in oregon, everyone just brings their batteries inside their house overnight and everything works fine?
>>2878529We’re usually outdoors on a job site. We just don’t bother… there’s no “inside” and we don’t leave our trucks running for 10 hours.Of course cords are a problem, too… the cords they come with are some kind of cheap PVC crap and you can hold them out and they’re stiff like a stick.Solution there is neoprene cordage, of course.Not sure what the block heater cords are made of… some of them seem OK.> Oregonthat’s practically sub-tropical!
>>2870451Hart
thoughts on the bosch?
>>2878381Dewalt 20v batteries are the best batteries. Only because they're literally just batteries. All the battery management stuffs are in the chargers and tools. Whereas all the other manufactures stick a battery management system into the pack itself. Run afoul of the BMS and you end up with an expensive paperweight. Dewalt 20v packs you can use hard without worrying that you'll brick it. Worst case where the charger won't charge the pack because you over drained a cell, you can just take the pack apart and juice up the over drained cell with a bench top power supply for a bit to bring it above the threshold voltage to get it working in the charger again.
DeWalt because I liked the colours.
>>2878610Bosch is straight, but availability in the US is meh so there’s no good reason to pick them over Milwaukee or DeWalt. The few Bosch things that are popular in the US would be their rotary hammer Bulldog stuff, the routers, their laser level and measurement tools, and their new robot arm miter saw, but none of the 18V versions of those tools.Bosch had one of the first decent 12V lineups I think, but they gog blown out by Milwaukee in later years.>>2878578Not even any cheaper than Ryobi. I guess if your town only has a Walmart…>>2878619I don’t think you even have to take the pack apart. The numerous contacts on top of the pack are for each cell. I wouldn’t say that design is a pro or a con, the cells almost always shit out before the board unless the board is defective right away. And the circuitry is in the tool anyway, so now you have a potential tool failure instead of a battery failure. And if the tool doesn’t have the circuitry or you use adapters, it’s easy to brick the batteries>>2878629Finally some reason
>>2878570so you just sleep out in the cold? have you thought about getting a tool bag just for the batteries then bringing them in somewhere warm overnight to charge?
>>2878619I've revived plenty of dead battery packs with a BMS, it's no more effort to take them apart and use the massive terminals on the BMS to charge individual cells. The only thing you have to be wary of is self-destruct boards, but I don't think any of the tool companies are still making that garbage. Dyson is, their BMS kills itself if you dare to remove a cell and requires a reflash with custom firmware.
>>2878526I keep my batteries in a thermos box with a bunch of Hothands and take them out as needed, throw them back when not in use/dry, works when it's fucking freezing/you're in the snow and cords won't reach anyway.Not great for speed, but like, nobody is working that fast in winter anyway.
>>2878651> sleep in cold? Lol, if need be… depends on if it’s an emergency. My truck can idle for about 4 days. 2 if I want to go home from the middle of nowhere.>>2878690I’m not really that cold since your moving around, building forms or whatever, but sometimes I consider getting that heated Milwaukee gear. I saw this chick on the subway with a Milwaukee jacket and the Milwaukee logo glows red.It’s so dry in the dead of winter, static electricity becomes a problem, and we’ve had dead cordless tools that blew out their little computer brain…File that under “things I hates about the cold”
My ryobi batteries are all starting to shit the bed. I use a 6 port charger and cycle basically all of those all day long on drills, router, brad nailer. The nailer is very useful, but it semi consistently fails to fire requiring a battery reset. The router will probably eat 4 batteries on a 10 minute routing job.
>>2878646>>2878659Oh is that so. I recall Makita had something where if you overloaded the battery and tried to charge it while in that state a couple times then the bms would automatically brick it. Also there was the issue where the bms usually draws its power from just a single cell so if you leave your battery unused for long enough you can drain that single cell enough to cause the bms to flag it and brick the pack.
>>2878744Ryobi One Plus 18V?You can make a corded adaptor out of a 12 V battery charger and a 6 V battery charger in series to get 18 V.Some of lower voltage power tools need beefy wires, figure on 20 A. I use jumper cable wire.…unless you need to wander around outdoors.
>>2878800Yea Makita is the one retarded brand that has something like a perma-brick mode. I haven’t messed with Makita packs, but many of them will go into protection mode with low voltage and can be recovered if you charge up the cell that’s low or all the cells some other way, but Makita’s BMS has a chip that shuts it down forever.I’m not sure about the single cell thing. Seems like every battery ever would only charge to 3 bars within a year if that was the case, but it hasn’t been an issue on Ryobi or Ridgid packs, nor the random Kobalt and NT Ironton packs I grabbed on clearance for the cheap cells,>>2878804Wut? You would need big wheeled 12V car jump starters to do this
>makitafagposted my regerts earlier in the thread, but i'm too invested now. I've been lucky to snag 2nd hand deals here and there to expand my collection without spending too much. Got a 36v string trigger with 4 batteries, kit sold at home depot for ~$500, picked it up at a garage sale for $200. previous owner passed and current owners were just trying to empty the house to sell it. Won gamble on open box deals on amazon twice now. First the 36v 16" chainsaw with 2 batteries for $250 and this weekend got the 36v leaf blower with 2 batteries for $220. chainsaw kit showed up and I couldn't even tell it had been opened. leaf blower showed up and had clearly been opened, styrofoam was removed and batteries were inserted into tool and dead. charged them overnight and tested blower for about an hour around the place, no apparent problems.They're not the best but I don't think the 5-15% marginal performance differences make it worth jumping ship to big yellow or big red now.
Why are cordless saws so fucking ass. A fucking Hyper Tough corded saw bought for like $20 because you just need something outperforms like 90% of battery saws I've used.
>>2878872i've noticed this as wellnobody else seems to carethe battery circ saws suffer a lot more from not having your wood properly supported and the directional force applied to the saw centered, which is also much more easily fucked up when just swinging around with battery tools
>>2878939Why aren't you clamping your boards down if they aren't heavy enough?
>>2879083cause i'm just a plumber and only need a couple pieces per job and setting up a station is excessivejust learn it over my knee and cut off the end
>>2879086Have you considered a smaller saw instead of trying to muscle a 6-1/2 or 7-1/4 model around for so little use?
>>2879094i don't really mind, can that even cut a 2x4"?certainly wouldn't solve the problem of tool weakness I was mentioning
>>2879097Yeah, it can easily cut 2x at 90 degrees. It can't do it set at 45, but it's otherwise solid, Last thing I used it for was a desktop made of ash 3/4" thick, trimming the ends square and had it set at about half depth, absolutely no sign of it slowing down and a nice clean cut even with the factory blade.
>>2878872>>2878939>buy the cheapest versions of a tool available>misuse them>be surprised when they don't work well
oh on that note my milwauke fuel angle grinder motor went out today...i was using a cutting blade to remove a section from the bed and a fly wheel to remove rust before recoating....motor just half asses now. it's my newest and least used tool tooshould still be covered by warranty
>>2879303which model? ive been looking for a 2nd 2981 but they seem discontinued. its a hog but seems like they really make it run overbore the way eats ho battery charges
>>28793242680-20, which is apparently their brushless versionwhich explains the failure satisfactorilyit's the only tool i didn't pay more for brushless since I use it so rarely, I probably bought it used too so maybe I won't get warranty. sigh... in looking it up i found the brushless on sale here for 99$apparently url shorteners mark posts as spam...https://www.northerntool.com/products/milwaukee-m18-4-1-2in-5in-brushless-cut-off-grinder-tool-only-18v-model-2686-20-5344321?cm_mmc=Bing-pla&utm_source=Bing_PLA&utm_medium=Power%20Tools%20%3E%20Grinders%20%2B%20Accessories%20%3E%20Handheld%20Grinders&utm_campaign=Milwaukee&utm_content=5344321&cmpid=53403393&agid=3200075906&tgtid=pla-4576992033668413&prdid=5344321&ogmap=SHP%7CPLA%7CBING%7CSTND%7Cc%7CSITEWIDE%7C%7CPower%20Tools%20-%20SC%7CPower%20Tools%20-%20SC%7C%7C53403393%7C3200075906&gclsrc=dsanyway had a corded one to finish up the job and now it's all painted so I shouldn't have to remove anymore fuckin rust
>>2879332>2680-20, which is apparently their brushless version*non-brushless version
>>2879298I don't care how misused it is, if a cordless catches on an unsupported common 2x less than a foot it's pretty fucking worthless. If I can just ram that shit with a corded then anything less is a severe downgrade.
>>2879334Modern high-end cordless saws are far more powerful than high-end corded. It seems that the cheapest corded saw you found had less torque than the cheapest corded. This is not necessarily representative of the sorts of tools you should be getting if you intend to be productive.
>>2879336It's pretty representative if the majority do it. Sure Milwaukee cuts it, because Milwaukee is good, but I've used Dewalt cordless saws and caught on 2x common and lvls. It's just pathetic overall. I feel like you could judge an entire brand on their cordless saw performance and most are not making it out looking good.
>>2879336>>2879338i was talking about my milwaukee cordless, brushless 7.5"yeah it'll cut it and 20 more but it strugglesto be fair I got it free accidentally included with a refurb return of a orbital sander but still!
>>2879338>I feel like you could judge an entire brand on their cordless saw performance and most are not making it out looking good.https://youtu.be/2Cjf0beYXfU?t=367
>>2879340Alright, my bad, I didn't know they made a 60v. Only used their 20vs on sites. That shit sucks.
>>2879341They also make a beefier worm drive model in 60v.
>>2879345It's a worm drive "style" saw (rear handle), not an actual worm drive saw. Worm drives provide a lot of torque in a compact package (they're a big benefit to corded saws with universal motors), but they have a lot of internal friction which reduces their mechanical efficiency. No cordless saws use them for that reason, and brushless motors may not need the help with torque.
>>2879348>No cordless saws use themwith one tank of an exceptionhttps://www.skil.com/truehvl-cordless-wormdrive-saw-spth77m-11/
>>2879348No, it's an actual worm drive.
Makita because home sleepo has a pretty solid deal thats 200 bucks cheaper than dewalt or milwaukee and has tools I actually need
>>2879348> nonsensical graphFun fact, BL tools (with “BLDC” motors) are actually 3-phase AC motors fed with a DC to AC inverter.They’d be true BLDC motors if they put that circuitry in the motor itself, but they don’t.DC brushed motors are also based on AC, but the communicator is part of the motor which effectively turns the DC into AC.> brushless motors may not need the help with torqueKeep dreaming. Look for any cordless BL tools with “direct drive” and then we’ll be there.The gear ratios in cordless tools are even crazier, since they spin faster. That stupid graph fails to mention that the “AC” is at power plant frequencies (i.e. 60 Hz). The inverters in tools have no such frequency limitation.If you squeeze the trigger just a bit so the drill is getting power but is not spinning (or spinning very slowly) you’ll hear a high-pitched whine around 12 kHz. Thus, they spin much faster, typically up to around 30,000 RPM.
>AEG 18VI really liked their knapsack when I was in the market for one, had a nice harness and pressure adjustment, everyone else at the time had crappy straps directly on a tank. If Milwaukee had their current model out at the time, I probably would've went M18 instead. Sales aren't too bad... If they go on sale.Tools are all pretty average, recipros have an obnoxious whine but their subcompact one is a bit lighter than a Hackzall. Fans are nice, though (fuck humidity).>AEG 58VKnapsack also takes these batteries. I got various bits and pieces cheap ex-demo or secondhand, and TTI was giving away batts left and right after the exploding battery saga they had. Shame it's getting discontinued now in lieu of their tabless 18V batteries, their chainsaw on even a 58V 4.0 is much beefier than the Stihl AP chainsaws we also have on our crew - just let down by the less responsive trigger and the absolutely dogshit safety/overload cutout every 58V tool seems to have. I reckon a 58V with some JP40s shoved in it could make some serious sauce.The hedge trimmer is a heavy fucking pig too, but it's second to none as a lantana smashing machine - I can put the same amount of tracks through a paddock of the filth by morning break, compared to all day on a brush hook.>Milwaukee M12The little chainy is a weapon, hedge trimmer is surprisingly useful on dealing with vine thickets and the pruning shears are a much better design than what AEG/Ryobi offers (a safety that's much harder to fumble by mistake, for one). Thought about getting a few other things but don't need them urgently, it's more my go-to stuff for when I'm off spray duty and actually get to mulch some weeds.
>>2879372I've got an old DeWalt 18V drill too, not very powerful but it's nearly 20 years old and still going hard, got a battery adaptor for it since one of its original packs was going lame. Still kills many fat camphors to this day. Got a M18 Hackzall I got on redemption too, repacked some stuffed old batteries I got for free with some P28As and it cuts nicely. Recipros go to other crew members without chainy training, or who I don't trust NOT to take their limbs off with one (the Hatchet is pretty dangerous if you're a careless retard).>>2878720Got an M12 mid layer jacket. I don't wear it much on foot, on account of Australia never getting stupid cold outside the alpine regions, but it's a game changer on motorbikes. I rode across rural Vic and SA via the Grampians in the dead of winter and between that and the heated grips on my 650, never felt cold - even when it dropped under freezing. Have a 12V lead for the 650 and carry some spare M12s if I'm camping somewhere frosty or riding my little bike around. Mind you, there's probably a good assortment of jackets out there that run off USB power banks by now that would be worth a crack, but have never heard anyone say anything nice about the heated base layer Milwaukee has.
