I'm a street musician and one of the most annoying parts about it is how many people take pictures or videos but don't tip. It's just my opinion that if you're going to Take something, you should leave something, especially the guys who have fancy cameras and annoyingly take 40 pictures from all kinds of angles, which is doubly awful cause then other people feel like they're intruding if they have to get in his frame to tip.I don't like how they get to benefit from my presence and not support it in kind, to put it in perspective I play violin and dress up like km from the Baroque era, I understand why they want pictures, j don't understand why they don't support my efforts.Calling them out works sometimes but it's annoying and I have to stop playing to tell a guy he's too close and should have some decency and support the arts.So I want to figure out a way to ruin their pictures until they tip.I was thinking something like infrared lights on a bracelet, unseen to the human eye but would appear as a artifact to a digital one.That or maybe something with mirrors.Any ideas are welcome, thanks in advance.
>>2876132It just has to be annoying for it to work, I don't need to completely ruin the whole picture but if there was a lensflare on the focal point, being the violin, I think it'd annoy the photographer enough.I've thought about a mask, at least my face wouldn't be in their photos.
>>2876127>Any ideas are welcomehow about getting a real job
>>2876127Play in a venue and charge for tickets
>>2876134I do this on the side, already have a job.>>2876135Those are called gigs, busking I can do every night, that stuff is typically weekends only
>>2876127Hold QR code that links to BLACKED.COM and say you will only take it down for pics if they tip.
>>2876127You aren't getting helpful advice because no such device exists, and even if it did, it would probably be prohibitively expensiveJust put up a sign that says, "No professional photography without tip (you're in the way)" or something
>>2876127There is nothing you can do to prevent photography that won't also annoy your audience that isn't photographing you. If you are in/viewable from public, you are fair game to photograph so I guess find some private property not viewable from public areas that you own, I guess, but expect people to rapidly consider you a cunt when you tell people they can only photograph you when then tip, because that's what will happen. It's what would happen if you DID have such a device and your negative rep would ruin your busking.For a busker you sure are a thin skinned little bitch. If people are posting photos of you on social media you ARE benefiting because they are promoting you. If you don't want to be photographed, don't be in public.But really, stop being such a faggot, fucking hell.
Wear an Elton John hat and glasses and let them take pics. If they share them you are getting advertising.Doesn't have to be Elton John, but a distinctive signature look has marketability.
>>2876127>if you're going to Take something, you should leave somethingYou're are taking my peace and quite. I didn't ask to listen to you practicing your instrument and I don't care to. Stop annoying innocent people who just want a nice quiet stroll.
A rapid flasher some people have to stop paparazzi you'd just have to be able to turn it on and off with a button for your foot.
>>2876202>annoying sounds>rapid flashersAdd terrible smells and you've got a solid busking plan.
>>2876184This. Also this >>2876186. Instead of being a little idiot prick, ham it the hell up so you go viral and make some real money. With the imagination you have I'm not even sure why you're trying to be a musician.
>>2876127Try performing in a place that no-one would want to photograph, like in a public men's room, in front of a porta-pody, next to an overflowing trash can, or next to a group of homeless men.
>>2876127Put up a sign with "please tip for photos" or "$5 for photos" or whatever.
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>>2876127Hire a bum to harass people who take pictures without tipping. "No tip, no pic" as he belly slams the guy with a 200 mm lens.
>>2876208He could try performing in the middle of a nuclear waste dump too. I heard that the radiation can disrupt electronics, such as cameras.
>>2876184People here and there sharing his work, yeah that's publicity. It's fair if it's like 30 seconds from a fixed location. The problem is those influencers with motion-stabilizing rigs who take multiple shots and post the edit on their Facebook page or an Instagram account. They already get tens of thousands of views and they generate revenue without paying royalties or sometimes even crediting the artist.>publicDespite being public, it's a performance and it's subject to copyright. A share in a small family group is one thing but a FB page that generates revenue is definitely not fair use. A lot of places even require busking permits (sometimes free, sometimes a token fee like $10) and solidifies the copyright of the performer.
>>2876268>Despite being public, it's a performance and it's subject to copyrightThen DCMA them and see how popular you are after that, faggot.
>>2876127you are in a public place, you cannot stop people from recording you.you sound obnoxious and should diaf.
>>2876127maybe.... now hear me out.maybe put all the effort in to being talented instead of being an asshole.no you cannot do what you want to do. anything that would mess up a camera would damage peoples eyes.
>>2876127>Any ideas are welcomehang yourself in the nearest park.
>>2876268sounds like you need to find a different way to make work. playing shitty music in public is just not your forte.
>>2876127>don't understand why they don't support my efforts.no talent?
>>2876127you are in a public place, with uncontrolled access to your performance, people just happen upon you. there is zero, none, no obligation to tip you.don't like it, don't perform.
>>2876127what a cunt. we don't have much if any "buskers" where I live. which it seems is a good thing.in fact I am not sure I have seen any that I remember in over 50 years.
1. Lean into it.Add a sign or something with a QR code or link to a PayPal or something. If they post your picture, your link gets out and people might like it and donate to you without even seeing you in person.2. Highly reflective anti-paparazzi clothing exists.It's very reflective and blows out pictures.
>>2876127>mods uh police ban this troll. all photos need to be on the back on a 10 dolla bill piemp
>>2876127There are couple projects others have made but apparently using google is outside your skillset, so I guess you will have to suffer. Hope lots of people take pictures of you anon.
>>2876127>opinion that if you're going to Take something, you should leave somethingThat's your primary malfunction.You're out there disturbing the public, in a place where your actions are public domain, and you feel so self entitled that you're plotting to violate FCC laws and infringe on other people's constitutional rights.How about you stop creating a public disturbance like you're a special little snowflake
>I play violin and dress up like km from the Baroque era,How do you not get your face punched and your violin broken over your head? That's what I want to know.
>>2876127i completely agree with you OPanyone who takes pictures or videos should tip youand also you should tip everyone else who doesn't take pictures and is bothered by having to endure your shit
>>2876127 (OP)> I don't like how they get to benefit from my presence and not support it in kindYou sound like a massive faggot. You're performing in a public place, where anyone can take pictures of anything. If you want to charge for people's attention, play at a venue, charge tickets, and institute a "no photos" rule. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
>>2876206"Going viral" is basically meaningless and then you end up like Rob Landes the "fidget spinner violinist" and will forever be tarnished by that.Busking is a side hustle, it's not what I want to be known for and if anything I'd rather not be known for it. It's temporary.
>>2876194>>2876240Fucking destroyed lmao
>>2876326Thanks
>>2876370I'd argue that Baroque music doesn't disturb the public, although I realize people like you might have poor taste, in which case j just don't care about your opinion.Secondly, you're acting like the city isn't full of disturbances to the peace, construction, traffic, Bluetooth speakers, etcetera, if anything I offer a relief from the constant garbage of the city and offer a moment of real, live music that is usually something people never get to see.I understand that again, some people have no taste, but I digress, if you don't like it all you need to do is keep walking j don't play anywhere that people have to stop for anything. I actually would say I'm very considerate compared to most buskers.
>>2876377Because I'm that good, I'm actually a complete asshole and a menace out there, I've no idea how I make money or don't get into fights.
>>2876427The bluet tooth speakers and boom boxes should be banned along side you.Cars, without honking, and construction are to be expected.All you're doing is adding to the pollution Post a link to you're music though so I can critique it
>>2876435Like I'm gonna take orders from some dweeb on 4chan
>>2876456Your piss poor playing doesn't support your arrogance. If you playing was worth a shit you'd be playing in an orchestra instead of busking for handouts. Get a real job or shut the fuck up.
>>2876392sock puppet much
>>2876498Cranky cause you lack talent and the balls to do something you love aren't you?
>>2876127so lets get this straight. You enter a public area, with the intent of soliciting/begging while you perform. You don't pay anyone for the right to be there, or ask anyone if its okay to play, you just do.yet, you want someone else who is also in a public area taking picture of the public area and taking the same environmental advantages as you, including you since you're part of the environment, to not be able to do that?
>>2876553I'm using a constitutional right (busking is guaranteed under the first amendment according to the supreme court faggot) in what is essentially a tourist trap, and it's not solicitation or begging according to the law , so you're completely wrong from the get go.And secondly, it's more about a professional courtesy than anything, photographers pretend to be artists, yet the have no respect for actual artists that they take pictures of and they get upset when j don't pose for them and I just stare them down until they tip or go away. They can take pictures of me but j don't have to play for them I can stare at them or do chess puzzles on my phone till they go away.Then these fuckers have the audacity to get upset that I won't let them take my picture without tipping I just want a way to accomplish that without having to stop playing, something that would just ruin their photos until the act like the artist they pretend to be. I fucking hate hipsters.I also hate faggots like you who pretend to know the law.
>>2876557Take my picture playing that is, otherwise they're just taking pics of some dude dressed up who looks annoyed, they can do that all they want I guess.
>>2876456That wasn't even an order you useless bum.I doubt you're even ok at it
>>2876127embrace it. print your online handle or QR code on a sign, wear the sign. boom. now each photo will bring you more audience, and may pay off in the long run. make it funny too so there's potentiality for going viral. people aren't as interested in real talent, as they are in a funny / bemusing moment that they can share.If you're still adamant on reducing photos taken of you, here are few tips:> stand against a terrible background.> add a sign that says "no photos unless tipped", the ethical ones will leave you alone. > stand in areas with low lighting, wear all black, and move your body a lot. this will ruin photos taken with relatively older cameras, but the ones with ISO settings that go up to a million will still be able to capture you.> get ugly or wear a massive IR blaster.
>>2876564Thanks for the real response
>>2876268Copyright is fake and gay, patents are fake and gay, intellectual property is fake and gay
>>2876427If you don't like people taking pictures you can keep walking too
>>2876557>in a tourist trap, making himself part of the experience>thinks people shouldnt be able to take pics or videos of their tourist trap experienceYour right to play in the public space is why they also have a right to also take pics and video
>>2876557>I'm using a constitutional right (busking is guaranteed under the first amendment according to the supreme court faggot)there is no constitutional right to emit noise, or perform, but yeah ok. If you have any protections under the constitution, its under the auspices of speech alone.>in what is essentially a tourist trap, and it's not solicitation or begging according to the law , so you're completely wrong from the get go.oh, so you wont piss or moan if people stop dropping money into [insert cliche money catcher] completely.>And secondly, it's more about a professional courtesy than anything, photographers pretend to be artists, yet the have no respect for actual artists that they take pictures of and they get upset when j don't pose for them and I just stare them down until they tip or go away. They can take pictures of me but j don't have to play for them I can stare at them or do chess puzzles on my phone till they go away.realistically, this is always your only option. Which is tantamount to 'imma stop working this corner because i'm convinced you're working me and not paying me, so i'd rather just not work and not get paid. this is a shit thread.>I just want a way to accomplish that without having to stop playing, something that would just ruin their photos until the act like the artist they pretend to be. I fucking hate hipsters.rules for thee. not for me. >I also hate faggots like you who pretend to know the law.>never invoked any laws to make point.ok.
>>2876572Again he has that right but I can stop playing and deny him the picture or recording that they really want. But it's annoying to stop is all.What aren't you understanding about this premise? Furthermore, the topic is to help me be a dick to dick photographers, not debate the ethics of public playing and photography.
>>2876578Music is considered a form of speech and covered under the first amendment as decided by the supreme Court, busking is guaranteed and different than solicitation or begging, you absolute twit.Not reading the rest of your garbage.
>>2876127print a big QR code where you can receive money where you right take a picture of this first
>baroqueMaybe if op wanted respect like the "man" they are, they'd stop wearing a wig, tights, and high heels on street corners begging for attention.Dress in normal clothes and let your supposed skills speak for themselves.
>>2876557lol, you're not an artist. You're so concerned about grifting money off of people taking fucking pictures, you aren't in this for the art. You're a panhandler with an instrument. Get off your high horse and get a real job.
>>2876604Mad cause you're constitutionally illiterate?Many such cases.
So I've actually been trying to dig up something similar for a few years.Some time ago I ran across a note in an art textbook (can't remember which one unfortunately) regarding a technique to 'insert images into the shots of unsuspecting photographers'. Basically you've got some device (this is old, like 1980s or earlier) that triggers based on the flashbulb and projects your images in the direction of the camera for a split second. The idea is that (if done correctly) the projections is basically unnoticeable to onlookers but shows up clearly when the negatives are developed. The reason this technique was in the book was because someone used it to ?famously? add some 'extras' to a photograph of a member of the catholic church?Problem is though, I can't come up with the right words to describe the technique and so my attempts to revisit it via internet search fall flat. Maybe someone here can fill in what I'm referring to and the resulting searching out help you out? Easier route perhaps, put a bunch of UV LEDs around you? I know cameras are getting better at filtering UV emissions out, but I've tested with some modern cameras and it still isn't foolproof.
>>2876632Have a little picture of micky mouse and the Disney logo and open it up anytime he takes a picture.Now he can't sell it anywhere and he'll stop trying to take your picture.He probably thinks he's doing you s favor fellow artist. He's trying to help.you go viral so you get huge crowds and shit
>>2876615I didn't say anything about the constitution, I accused you of being a greedy dumb talentless faggot, but you can add illiterate to it too.
>>2876641Big mad
It might be tricky if you're going for period correct Baroque costume, but you can integrate reflective safety fabric like the kind used in high vis vests and athletic clothing. Then the bright reflection will throw off the exposure and make it harder to get a good looking photo. Likewise with any props, you can cover them in reflectors.
>>2876683That's a good idea, it's not like I have to be entirely correct, people won't really know the difference
>>2876132>>2876144This..Seriously I'm in 2 minds, 1 you're on public properly and dressed like a dude from 400 years ago, people will take pictures and you should enjoy the publicity and the attention, you are stood in their way grabbing it after all. However I wouldn't ever do what you described to a busker, invade their space and take loads of time using their work for my own ends with no compensation. That's an autistic thing for someone to do and not realize it's common courtesy to throw you some change at least.Idk... I want to start busking with my guitar, nothing serious, just acoustic covers and solely as a fun and free way to make extra money desu much less cucked than working a 9 to 5 with a boss and taxes and other Jewish shit... If you can spare any advice or stories and lessons you picked up along the way I'd appreciate it.As for your problem... I'm doing some research I'll post my results... Maybe just a polite sign that says no photography for photos $1
a sign "thank you for tipping when you get close to photograph"you can do the reflective shit too but it's retarded desu
>>2876422Going viral isn't meaningless if you just want to do it for money. That's how you get money and booked to nicer venues. Also there's nothing wrong with being known or unknown. You literally have a skill that can generate money no matter how shit things get, when you're younger you might think it's cringe but it takes a certain level of social and musical skills to busk well and you should be proud if you're good at it. Just remember you're in public and respect that, some dude with your attitude is probably thinking, that fucking busker in town is distracting people from my business and shitting up the place, how can I ruin HIS thing, you might just need to suck it up dude for the most part. Unless a little sign that says photos for tips or something.
>>2876456>Comes to us asking for help>Insults others who give advice>Won't share his musicDude you have an attitude problem. If people with your attitude can make it busking, I know id make a killing because most of it is the personality and presence you give off and you're not exactly brimming with social skills, it would seem. Just buy a laser and shine it in anyone's eyes you don't like, that's more up your avenue it seems.
>>2876456>Like I'm gonna take orders from some dweeb on 4chanbitch you ARE on 4chan.>>2876698+1
>>2876694Advice for busking would beIt's more about how you play as opposed to how good you actually are. Try to find a nice spot where no one is sitting or waiting because it's kinda rude, places where people can choose to stop and stay if they want to.Playing stuff people know is better than your own or obscure music, personally I play stuff I enjoy which is mostly folk and classical but I have a few very well known tunes, mostly American folk songs that do well despite being super easy.If you have student debt or something you can let people know with a sign, it's a lot easier when people sympathize with you, people also like to believe in dreams so if you have goals you can mention it.Dress decently, and when you start always have some money already in your case/tip jar, the hardest tip is the first one, so just have it already be there. An empty case just looks bad, I personally put in a 2 for luck and a 5 as it plants the idea that they can tip with bigger bills.The biggest secret is if you have a well behaved dog, the it for a walk and bring a bed for it to lay down. People will tip just cause you have a dog I once knew a guy who trained his dog to take tips and quite frankly everyone wants to tip a dog.And on a last note, you get nervous at first but just go out and focus on playing and not people, you'll get used to it and then it becomes regular.
>>2876698Stay mad.I'm a mirror, if you don't like my attitude it's merely a reflection of your own, I've responded politely to those who have been polite, hell I just typed out a long post on tips for another guy who's thinking of busking.
>>2876727Yea and I'm still not going to post my stuff on here just cause some guy wants me to, ice no obligation to do any of the such. Fuck off.
>>2876422>It's temporary.Keep telling yourself that. With your attitude any opportunities will quickly dry up as everyone realizes what an insufferable cunt you are.
>>2876550>"just do what you love!">bitches to 4chan about people not tipping himeat shit
>>2876557>I'm using a constitutional rightno... you don't. see free speech, and anti censorship apply to what the government can do. private individuals can punch you in the face and your only recourse is to call the police. you have no right to be annoying in public.
>>2876583>What aren't you understanding about this premise?it's you that doesn't understand. you have no right to block people in a public place in the US from taking your picture. if you want to do that, move to germany.
>>2876584once again. those rights only apply to what the government can do.
>>2876632I've seen it, and it only works if the camera is pointed right at the device, off just a little and it doesn't work.
>>2876636as someone who does photoshop and sells images, I can totally remove that.
https://theishu.com/products/the-ishu
>>2876894>>2876892>>2876891>>2876817>>2876777Lots of bitter fucks I see lmao stay mad
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>>2876896Okay, why even take a picture at that point though? If it's small enough to mask out easily op can just get a bigger one
>>2876951Imagine coming to a thread and getting mad and salty and then saying other people are projecting, you must be fuming at this point. Get help.
>>2876268>Despite being publicSo it's public; didn't read anything after thatfuck off faggot
>>2876907look at this jew
>>2876127>"work" for free on public property>REEEEE GIVE ME MONEYbeggars can't be choosers, op
>>2876127security camera infrared illuminators are intended not to emit visible light. but of course they illuminate for cameras very well. There are 12v ones and portable 1S night photography ones as well.
>>2876993Ari Gold is based.
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>>2876127hey I know...why not take this to r/amitheasshole
>>2877168OP did, they said he was.
>>2876150You deserve good things.
>>2876127your getting ass blasted in this thread op. bad move posting your whiny bitch thread.
>>2876326That’s a good idea, big sign with a Venmo and Cashapp and stuff, so if those pics ever get out anywhere, there’s a chance some random hero out there spreads the love.A year ago or so I saw a busking juggler on the off-ramp of 95, he had a big Venmo/Cashapp sign and it was a great idea because people don’t have cash like they used to and you can’t really be snagging dollars from car windows while bowling pins are in the air.
>>2877168ram it in the asshole?
>>2876427>I offer a relief from the constant garbage of the city and offer a moment of real, live music that is usually something people never get to see.So you want to be seen as some kind of humanitarian doing important charity work out of the goodness of your heart, but PAY ME MOTHERFUCKER or I'll ruin your photos.>I understand that again, some people have no tasteNo, plenty of people have good taste which is why you are playing in the street for tips, dressed like a faggot, and are treated as an amusing curiosity by photographers, the same way they treat picrel when they run across it.
>>2876127there are clothes that cause moiree effects that are really ugly in photos, but look normal to the naked eye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern#Television_screens_and_photographs
>>2876907>>2877544I appreciate this but the most annoying part is when the photographer zooms in on my face and hair.
>>2877579get over yourself. stop looking like a freak.
>>2876127get a job, you communist faggot. part of being in public is that you have no entitlement to privacy. I.E. people can take your picture, and there's nothing you can do about it. Also, the FCC prohibits interference with other devices so that soemrt of device would never make it to market.
>>2877680>people can take your pictureIt's one thing to have your picture taken, it's quite another when some slimeball shoves a camera lens in your face. That's called harassment and it is not protected conduct..
>>2877683Except that has never happened to you
>>2876557>I fucking hate hipsters.>t. baroque buskerYou are peak hipster.
>>2876127Entertainment done on the street is entertainment done for free.
>>2876127no one forced you to be there in public.
>>2876127Maybe make a big sign with your isntagram or something. This way when the professional photographers take a picture and post it in a newspaper or something, you might at least get publicity.
>>2876557And taking pictures in public or in publicly accessible areas is a constitutional right as well.
>>2877165what the fuck was his problem?
>>2877895The aggressor gave the girl in the purple hoodie (male) a 24-oz can of malt for a BJ. But after drinking the can, she only mouthed his knob for a few seconds, not allowing him to finish.
>>2877895it's my understanding is was an argument over drugs. they are all druggies and "homeless".
>>2876127Dress like a bum and play violin. Thank me later.
>>2876761Other anon here.Thanks, Anon.
>>2876127Don't play in public.