If you eat at least six goats a year since we are assuming you slaughter and eat one goat every two months at the very least which means half a kilogram of meat a day and getting your other calories from milk and eggs, how many goats would you have to start with to make that happen? Probably at least thirty since you would get twelve a year if you let only three goats give birth every three months to not disrupt the milk production. But then you have to add the fact that it takes four months for the first birthing cycle to beging so you will half a year without ready for slaughter and breeding goats. So you technically will need around ten goats ready for slaughter every other month before being able to have self-sufficient process beging working as in four months pregnancy and nine months rising. Is that sound math or I'm missing something?
>>2884079>raising goats for meat>not chickensNGMI
>>2884079chicken and fish are far more efficient ways to become self sufficient for meat protein intake.
No, that's why people who had this diet in middle ages were rich, ugly, and had feet so fucked up from gout + gay pointy shoes that they couldn't even walk, because rich people didn't need to do that.Carnivore diet is decadent trust fund baby diet, you're a moron if you for even one moment thought that it could be good way to live.
>>2884099>>2884112Red meat has more nutrients and fat.>>2884137There are many people thriving on it and don't have diseases like gout, the point of this thread is very different.
>>2884218>muh heckin nutrients>muh heckin fatfat is an antinutrient, the less, the better
>>2884219>muh heckin nutrientsSo you're trying to say that your body doesn't need nutrients? Can you please explain how that works?>fat is an antinutrientProof?
>>2884222your fat, weak body is proof, fuck off faggot
>>2884223I'm feel reall sorry for you, the malnutrition is making you so emotional that you lash out at others.
>>2884225that's just my overly high testosterone level, sorry
>>2884079Are we talking like a desert island survival thing or a real life thing? We get through a whole year with 40 cornish cross chickens and putting 2 lambs in the freezer. That is feeding two people as much as we want to eat while giving some away. Of course also egg laying chickens. Planning on a milk cow in the next year or two. I would want my meat and milk to be two separate things. Cow bred for milk and goats bred for meat. Dual purpose stuff does not work well unless its mad max time and you dont have access to breed specific livestock. You dont want to raise a broiler to 5 pounds in 5 months when you can raise on to 10lbs in 9 weeks. Same with the goats. Get goats that are bred for meat.
>>2884229>a real life thingThat.>40 cornish cross chickens and putting 2 lambs in the freezerYou're eating only that? Please explain how exactly and for two people at that, it's really important to me.>Cow bred for milk and goats bred for meatObviously that would be optimal but it's too costly in the beginning.
>>2884137a meat diet won't give you gout, it requires fructose
>>2884263Cornish cross come in at at least 9lbs per bird. That is 360lbs of chicken but more like 390 or so because some are 11 or so lbs. 2 lambs puts at least 120lbs of meat in the freezer. Those are processed at 9 or so months old. That is around 510lbs of meat or more. 510 divided by 365 is 1.39lbs per day. We also have 4 dogs and freeze carcass meat and organ meat which cuts dog food cost in half.
>>2884219>fat is an antinutrient, the less, the betterOh, interesting, could you explain further or point to a study I could read on the topic?
>>2884274no idea bro, it just seems like athletes try to minimize bodyfat in their body because fat is literally not good for you or something
>>2884275But that's nonsensical.It's almost lysekoist reasonming tier.Athletes generally seek to reduce their bodyfat because it makes their power to weight ratio a little better.but athletic performance and health are two seperate objectives.in some sports fat acts as padding and a support structure protecting the organs from damage.
>>2884279He thinks eating fat makes you fat even though it increases your testosterone which is known for the opposite effect. You're not replying to some that's mentally sane.
>>2884280Is this more of the legacy of ancel keys perverting nutritional science for food industry backhanders again?
>>2884271Okay but can you raise these chicken purely through pasture(excluding winter)? And how exactly can you time their slaughter so you don't run out of meat and don't have to freeze it either?
>>2884281He's a vegan.
>>2884280>it increases your testosteronethat's probably true if you have femoid level of testosterone, otherwise no, it never did it for me
>>2884283I don't think that explains enough of it, vegans love their, fats from crops like avocados olives, coconut and palms.
>>2884079Cost.A dairy kid goat will start around $250. An adult dairy goat will start around $500. You can get a pullet (hen) for like $10. If you are able to wait, you can get day old chicks for like $2-5 each. You would be better off just using goats for milk and chickens for meat and eggs. Also, goat milk is fucking disgusting, unless you like it I guess, so it might be better to put that goat money into a dairy cow. An average dairy cow will easily produce 5+ gallons a day. Dairy cow cost about $1500.
>>2884297>6 to 12 weeksThat's too much, is not as nutrient dense and can't be pasture only.
>>2884282LOL we vacuum seal and freeze it like normal people. Thought we were not talking mad max. I get my broiler chicken in the last week of August and process them the first week of November. Best time for us, done with summer heat waves and its usually nice here until December.
>>2884281Don't eat milk cheese or any dairy. Don't eat any meat. Don't eat avocado, coconut, legumes, or any natural oils. Enjoy being fat free.
>>2884313The largest most expensive nutritional trial ever conducted, the womens' health initiative found only one single statistically significant result. That women who REDUCED their fat consumption by 10% were actually 26% more likely to die from a heart attacknow when will you present actual real data to support your position on fat consumption being bad?
>>2884315you'd need a lot more than 10% reduction to do any damage to yourself, fatass
>>2884318Could you stop with the childish insults, I'd like to debate the actual scientific evidence.If you somehow feel personally insulted from what I have so far outlined then I think you need to reappraise your position.I am willing to substantiate my position with hard data if you are willing to do the same then we can sift through it and come to a mutually acceptable conclusion.
>>2884320The scientific evidence is in two redditspaces for 3 sentences.
>>2884310>Thought we were not talking mad maxSome people prefer to save the nutrition.
I have goats and chickens, my parents used to have pigs and rabbits.I'd raise rabbits and pigs if I were you, mix the meat and eat it like that or just buy a whole cow and a big ass freezer and save yourself the trouble of raising cattle.
>>2884301>is not as nutrient densenot important if you have more than you need>can't be pasture only.that goes for most farm animals.
>>2884331Fuck raising pigs. Smart ass mofos always looking for trouble. Never again. There's a reason farms have them behind heavy steel.
>>2884332>that goes for most farm animals.Which is why goats are my choice.
>>2884344Goats are escape artists. Sheep are way easier and taste way better.
>>2884369I thought about them too but can't decide, really. The goats have better milk and is wanted more.
>>2884079A chicken egg is 70 calories. 2000 calories is 28 eggs. A 4 laying hens will give 3 eggs a day. So 22 chickens.
>>2884377I can't eat just eggs. Ten at most and raw at that.
>>2884369>Goats are escape artistshobble or stake them on the feed. pretend youre a 3rd world shitskin and put them out on the highway right of way for free pasture >Sheep are way easiermeadow maggots are about the dumbest animals. you need a flock to keep them from leaving the country >taste better [x] doubtlame that had a heartbeat the morning you eat it is delicious but old sheep is fucking gross
>>2884375>The goats have better milk and is wanted more.Wat?
>>2884383More nutrients.
>>2884385Are you a goat fucker?
>>2884390No, what's wrong with you?
>>2884380Yes you need to keep a flock which is not a big deal if you are raising sheep for food and sale.Yes they taste better. very few people have even had meat lamb most eat dual purpose new Zealand wool sheep mutton. Our lambs are Dorper/Katahdin crosses banded 2 days after birth and processed well before a year old. zero grain all grass fed. Processed, vacuum sealed and frozen taste just as good as the day they were processed.
>>2884380>but old sheep is fucking grosswhat's your problem with mutton?
You may like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>2884322I'm sorry anon, I thought I needed to space it out for clarity since you seemed to not be able to read it properly.
>>2884079>half a kg of meat a dayWhat the fuck are you, some kind of furry larping as a wolf? You need half that at best, the rest you can do from grains and shit.
>>2884558grains give me dandruff
>>2884560Just shave it off, baldie.
>>2884079>Is it really mathematically possible to be a self-sufficient carnivore?Of course it is. Even if you ignore the possibility of hunting, there's tribes like the mongols that live off their own herds.>mathsA guy I know lives off his own chickens (and sald, and nothing else... ripped, but also weak af). He's got 25-30 hens that he swaps out each year, meaning he'll raise about 60 chicks, slaughter the old hens, then the cocks, keeping the young hens for the next year and swapping one cock with another keeper to prevent inbreeding.
>>2884099>>2884079i would need 1 chicken a day maybe more. so i would breed 30 new chickens every month and maybe have 150 chickens at same time.and i would need maybe 10 breeder chickens for eggsi think there is no way to be a selfsufficient carnivore
>>2884229>We get through a whole year with 40 cornish cross chickens and putting 2 lambs in the freezer. not enough meat/calories thats maybe 3 month of food for 1 person
>>2884079i guess the only way is a forrest with a big deer population and hunting
>>2884591wait lambs not even goats. thats barly 2 month of food for 1 person.
To be honest you're self sufficient goats and chickens are too valuable for slaughter unless you have many. Eggs, milk and cheese and a small amount of meat should be ideal for you
>>2884629The problem is how to manage the meat part which is the point of the whole thread.
>>2884589>1 chicken a dayIf you're seriously eating 5-10 kg of meat and organs (which is what an average meat or two-use chicken will have) in a single day, chances are you're way to fat to keep animals in the first place.
>>2884652He sounds like a city slicker in which case he's only interested in the muscle meat>>2884649This is how it breaks down, a goat will give you around 20lbs of boneless meat if it's an 80lb animal. Consider how long you can store that for. If you want to keep it frozen for 6 months to a year then I'd say slaughter 2 goats and you could have around 400grams allowed per week for a whole year. 800grams per week if you have 2 goats frozen for only 6 months.
>>2884680Can't get lower than 500 grams of meat a day. I already calculated that it's around six goats a year, the problem is how to do it without running out of goats.
>>2884079Your animals convert the vegetation you cannot eat into food and store these perishables until it is convenient for you to eat them, so yes. the Answer is yes
>>2884715Okay but how to do it considering what I wrote.
You just need enough land and then it's feasible.
>>2885049Which is acknowledged in the post.
>>2884591Dude you are retarded. Its 600lbs of meat. It gets us through an entire year for 2 people.
>>2885057Are you saying your lambs weigh over 200 pounds?
>>2885091Im saying my lambs come in at 150lbs at 9-10 months. My birds come in at at least 9lb a piece some in the 11to12lbs.
>>2884079Rabbits. Buy 3-6 and in a year or so you will be getting one lb a day.
>>2885141Rabbit starvation is a real thing.
>>2884079I hear that domestic pigeons breed exponentially quickly, as long as they have sufficient access to food, water, and nesting sites.
>>2885157Yes. Rabbit can't be your only source of food but it can make up the bulk of your meat needs if care is taken to get your other macro needs, especially fat, met. Most people would get bored eating only rabbit anyway.
>>2884137>Carnivore diet is decadent trust fund baby diet, you're a moron if you for even one moment thought that it could be good way to live.The mongols disagree.
>>2885157Don't eat half starved wild rabbits in the winter as nearly the whole of your diet.Don't be a fucking retard
>>2885167I want red meat.
>>2885057meat lasts for a whole year?
>>2884219Can you explain how are you getting in fat soluble vitamins w/o eating fat?
>>2885414>whatIsAFreezer.png
>>2885492i thought even frozen meat only lasted a few days and as soon as it gets sticky it's getting bad
>>2885493Im eating meat that is 3 years old and vacuum sealed. Tastes just as good as the day it was sealed. Get a good sealer. Weston is what we use.
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>>2884079yes.chickens are how you do it.I live in the woods and this is basically how it works.chickens give me eggs. they get old, before they get too old and sick I eat them.chickens are the only animals you can reliably count on. it's difficult to recover from predation with red meats like goat. beef require special processing equipment and storage.I literally free range about 200 chickens and when I get hungry I go grab one. if predators come through and they get some the recovery time of replacement is around 3 months and I'd some terrible happens 200 birds have around 6 or 7 different flocks or units.it would take a extreme act beyond recovery to ever lose all of them even to something like disease. these flocks rarely interact.they force multiple.2 chickens becomes 8, becomes 40, becomes 200 in less than 2-3 years.red meat is genuinely a meme. I eat it but nature provides it as treats.if anyone tells you otherwise they are lying. I can provide evidence of me living off these birds.please feel free to ask any questions you might have, but chances are I'm going to be a dick if your right leaning or just wanting to LARP some weird Andrew Tate red meat thing you heard online.
>>2888873here is evidence of my processing.no one else in this thread is going to have proof for their weird fake independence meat larps.
here is the red meat I referred to as a treat.I don't freeze much of it. I like to dry most of it.I genuinely prefer jerky over steak.
more processing.
>>2884079>how to be a self sufficient carnivoreEthically, existing as a member of a functioning eco-system + applying permaculture design principals to the storage of water, nutrients and other resources on your property to promote abundance/fertility of perennial foods. In practice, several acres with fish farms, food forests and annual gardens plus large livestock not necessarily for meat, but because they are part of a functioning system. Manure, pest control, etc. etc. All of that depends on your biome/zone of course. >picrelmy garden buddy. We don't eat meat but keep a pretty mean garden
>>2888874I mean meh. Who wants to go grab a chicken scald it, gut, pluck why not raise a batch of 9-14lb real meat birds yearly do a 2 day processing event and have all the chicken parted, vacuum sealed and frozen? We do 40-50 birds every year. Use an electric plucker and two people. It takes us two days. We can do it in one but that a lot of chicken laying around in the kitchen.
>>2888895I cut the breast and legs out and throw the back and wings to my dog, cats, and then assorted wild life.it takes less than 2 minutes. it takes longer to bleed them.I'm living, I'm not filling the freezer. I let the birds exist till I need them. op talked as if he was looking for a natural lifestyle where you could sustain on meat.I think it's a relatively bad idea to bulk freeze meat.I will still claim you are all larping till you show evidence otherwise.
>>2888927We use kill cones, yes I can part a chicken quickly under 3 minutes and thats boneless breasts. Vacuum sealing saves us tons of time and ensures we always have meat. We vacuum seal the backs and lamb bones and organ meat. I grind it and mix it for our dogs we have 4 and it cuts the feed cost by half.
>>2888873Red meat is the best. I have 175 of these momma cows and keeping back more every year. I could eat steak breakfast, lunch, and dinner if I wanted to.
>>2888963>kill conesWhat are those?
>>2888963you got a single picture of anything that won't reverse image search?I got a reverse for these animals, they die for me and keep my family fed. the idea of taking one prematurely just to put it in the freezer seems cruel in my world.my chickens free range and supplemental food for 200 birds is probably 15$ a month overall once it's spread from just winter across the year. I get around 6-10 dozens of eggs a day even during winter.the dog eats scraps with a supplemental food bowl that they refuse to eat. I buy one bag of dogfood a year cause I'm worried it might get moldy or gross even when stored safely in a brute trash can, but I could go off one 50lb bag for probably 2-3 years. they rarely even eat any of it.end of the day, most people are demanding and want something for nothing. these birds ask nothing but freedom and I really respect that.I always black swan them. when I slaughter I go out at 3am before their awake. I only ever take 1 or 2 st a time and sometimes I'm not sure if they even wake up.it's the definition of a black swan event.I'm a skeptical person. I'm not calling you a lair, I'm just saying I won't believe you till I see something that isn't saved from a image search.this is 4xhan and let's me honest. 9/10 of racist apartment dwelling loser failson and fatherless faggots.the second someone talks talking about the merits of red meat you can almost guarantee they are s larping lying fag.
>>2888981I mean most of the people who raise animals could.after not eating red meat but once in a while, I notice that when I eat it. my throat feels oily, I get queezy, and I overall feel bad.jerky doesn't do that for me. no tineye return, id be interested in seeing more of your livestock and your infrastructure. I worked as a butcher for 12 years before I left society and the cheapest I ever seen someone able to slaughter a cow is with an engine hoist chain. this doesn't even dip into the space, time, effort, and water needed to support a large quantity of over consuming animals.I can literally field dress a bird anywhere and be eating within 20 minutes with no need to store anything and no electrical need after the fact.I spent around 4 or 5 years to come to the same conclusion our ancestors did anywhere in the world for the last forever.nothing will ever best birds, they can take 1 units of feed and turn it into 3 units of food.3 years of daily fold followed by 16-10lbs of meat.self propagating.it really is true, for ever unit of energy you put into a chicken, if send back 5 units.175 exceeds your personal needs and turns into a business rather than you eating. I assume this is your livelihood. each their own, but now someone controls your water price, your feed price, and your animals are locked down on the land without thousands of dollars to drive them somewhere.you need trailers, gates, hoists. you need a way to dispose of the scrap.cows are just alot of trouble for little payout which is why it's considered such a luxurious thing.a dozen eggs and I disappear forever with a new flock within 4 months anywhere in the world.more pics plz.
not gonna lie either.a chicken is just flour away from being fried chicken.everything I need to make friend chicken is on the bird aside from flour.fatmeateggsI grow potato's and make potato flouragain, 20x easier than grains.I just think it's interesting that a chicken is basically just a self contained bucket meal.
>>2889038Anon would you mind watching this talk? >Dr. Anthony Chaffee - 'Plants are trying to kill you!'https://youtube.com/watch?v=j1cqNDDG4aAI appreciate that the speaker is somewhat biased in being an advocate for carnivore dierts and I don't inherently agree with all of his points, however he does raise certain issues we must reconcile if eating plants.
>>2889049*sorry I think I slightly misread your post your issue is purely with red meat?
>>2889034Sure my freezer stuffed after lambs and chicken processing.
>>2889069thanks.you never know who is a 19 yr old Nazis larping his fantasy and who is actually doing it.
>>2884079>if you let only three goats give birth every three months>controlling when goats get pregnantretard way to go about it. only way to do it is either control their exposure or chemicals and the chemical way has a good chance of fucking up their heat cycle. better to just let them breed when ever and separate once you are sure theyve been bred. A good breed of goat, and good lineage, will breed like crazy. Some breeds will only kid once a year. Spanish goats are good for two kiddings a year, and good chance (25% ime) of them throwing twins. To be comfortably sufficient, Id want a herd of 12, 10 breeder does and 2 bucks. Realistically, 6 does and 1 buck could do it. but that doesnt give you wiggle room if your buck gets nabbed by a coyote or kills himself during rut.
>>2884112chicken is the least efficient feed:meat animal there is. a couple hens for eggs sure but purposefully raising chickens for meat is just shit. turkeys look worse on paper but in practice put a lot of meat in the freezer and are far less wasteful to feed.
>>2889049I reviewed a little of him and his credibility isnt there.he's doing pseudo science.>>our ancestors are nothing but meatverifiably untrue.what does he mean by ancestor? I can trace farming in my family back quite a ways.he's using undefined words and letting you place the definition on them to help validate and justify what he is saying.the people I know who have done the carnivore diet complete using red meat have a foul odor, the woman's pussy stink to where you can smell them through their clothes and they sweat 24/7.this is coming from a guy who doesn't eat veggies honestly.breadpotatochickenwaterand if I ever go into town I always grab 2 of those ultra process buffalo chicken rollers at speedway.I'm 40, my "figure" is attached.this was built on breads.chicken.eggs.and root veggies.with the same evidence Anthony has, I believe a healthier diet is simple foods.the potato over the potato chip.chicken meat over chicken nuggets.
>>2884263>Obviously that would be optimal but it's too costly in the beginning.do not start off with your max number. trust me. figure out how many head you are going to keep and then get a handful of high quality does and a good buck to get started. breed up to your head count or buy some more later on. It is much easier to figure out the pitfalls of keeping goats when you got a handful of them versus when you got a whole herd. for instance you would much rather find out that your fencing was shit while you had 4 goats instead of when you had 15. also, figure out how many your land can sustain and never ever go near that number or youll be looking for a bankruptcy lawyer when ever the next drought hits. You'll go poor real fast if you need to buy food for goats. >too costlyI havent checked in a while but meat goats werent that much last time I looked. Search local the prices you see on internet listings are hot garbage (you absolutely do not need to get some pedigree'd quadruple testicled boers)
>>2884313>w-why wont you goys starve your brain
>>2884369>Goats are escape artistsif the fence is good they aint getting out. only thing is good fence aint cheap and installing it well is major fucking work. But if there is any weakness in the fence they will find it and exploit it.
>>2884430I thought about raising meat guinea pigs but they were impossible to source when I was looking.
>>2884079Raising goats for meat is literally why Africa turned into a fucking desert. You're too stupid to be self sufficient.
I see op is larping. he is dead set on red meat with literally no plan beyond "it should work".he's uncomfortable with the idea and needs advice even if it works out 100% with no issues.no disease.no predation.no birth defectsno accidentscontrolled birthand he is still unsure how to go about it with a perfect world.if he ever got goats they would walk all over him and leave constantly with him bitching about how he hates these dumb animals as they proceed to outsmart him daily and break his windshield for fun.>>2889348what does this mean?you source them by having a male and a female and then letting them fuck.why would you do a hairy ass low meat tiny bone rat when there are other options?
>>2889338I can raise cornish cross hens from chicks to 9-13lbs in less than 9 weeks. Chicken is a super efficient way to put meat on the table s long as you are choosing a true broiler breed. Feeding some dual purpose bird for 6 months it get 3lbs of meat is tarded
>>2889351What should I raise instead?>>2889354I didn't reply to you so far but yes, I want red meat because it's the only food that can satiate me and in that case it will be even more important. I don't know why you're being so negative. That doesn't mean that chicken are not good, they just simply aren't in the long term.
>>2889341anyone can make the realistic assessment that plants do not want to be eaten and will devise a plethora of chemical and physical means to prevent themselves being eaten.
>>2889437so for real. I'll stop being a dick for a second.I'm being so negative because it's a fanciful idea based on the information you've given and the knowledge you've shown.your just going to torture animals for a year before selling them to someone like me.here's some key take aways of actual advice.--Start with smaller, easier to work with animals and work your way up. --the entire idea that red meat is the only thing that can satiate you is ridiculous. you never been hungry or read too much propaganda from the beef industry. liver king comes to mind. just do steroids.--the cost of larger and mid range animals, like goats, often exceeds the value of the product you would otherwise get.ie, your probably better off working at McDonald's and using there cash to buy meat.--you need a safe quiet place for slaughter, you will have cops called ln you by yuppies for animal cruelty and depending on how you do it, they might be right.--poultry is king around the world for a reason, if you want red meat, get duck, but theyre harder to process and require wax dips if you want the whole bird. poultry also provides eggs, which take it's to a magically area where you can get more than you put in.--get comfortable with killing and you will make haunting mistakes. the first time I slaughter a goose I fucked up. it tried to jump away and I didn't break the neck on the swing, the blade hit the neck guide and just cut halfway through it. it was 3 minutes of a body spinning and jumping spraying blood all over me, the area, my face, as I held it down.--you will be injured with larger animals. your killing them, it's only natural to try to defend yourself.--you need storage--you need hangs for cleaning--you need a butcher area.--you need to deal with the leftover carcass. chickens are easy, dogs then bones and shit over the hill.nature cleans them up faster than I can eat them. not so much when I do larger animals. you need a compost pit.
>>2889588--you need a means of protection from predation and you need plans for if it ever fails. a pack of coyotes could wipe out your food as you sleep.--you need clean water sources.--you need winter infrastructure.--you hold a legal obligation to animals you raise and you need to be aware of your obligations even if you disagree with them.--you need time, no more going out to drink or hanging out with friends, your running food bud.--you need money, take whatever price you think it cost and triple it.--you need basic biological medical knowledge for both the processing and for medical needs. it also provides you information on safe vs unsafe meat.--make friends, you will need help someday with something. my neighbor has an excavator, he dips for me, I can't justify ever owning one --if you store meat you need a backup power force for your freezers if it ever goes down.I can't suggest strongly enough, to get away from the idea of has to be red meat.aside from the poultry I eat deer, root veggies, and sometimes rabbits.I'd suggest you start with rabbits and see how you feel and where it takes you.
you get the general gist. I hate cellphones and I'm old. ignore the autocorrect mistakes and misspellings.
also keep in mind the process of propagating goats is much more complicated and time consuming than leaving an egg to under a bird or too close to the oven.I'm literally shuddering at the thought of a breaching goat at 3am.i think it be wise to consider red meat a luxury food based on the conditions needed to provide it.rabbit probably be easy enough to get away with that it be reasonable and you wouldn't need rich parents for a hobby farm.
>>2889594>I'm literally shuddering at the thought of a breaching goat at 3am.
>>2889588I think you can't comprehend the fact that if you have to literally be self-sufficient means that you have no other food than that.
>>2884279>It's almost lysekoist reasonming tier.welcome to internet
>>2889652you didn't read a word I said.op is asking about meat and goats.you want me to talk about my root veggies and cistern?>>2889631thiI let my guard down for a split second to give real bullet pointed advice and I just wasted my time on another larping faggot.I guess if you could do it, you'd already be doing it.he can't ship you to Iran fast enough.
