So I tried cleaning it, but the problem is that now the paint or whatever tf it is, is peeling off in chunks in some places. It seems that underneath there is some smooth white foundation, which doesn't appear to have mold on it, but I'm not sure because only two very small sections are showing. How do I proceed to fix this? How do I remove this flaking paint? And what do I use to paint over it? Should the new paint layer be waterproof, or not?How hard will this project be? I'm wondering if I should just move at this point
As a side note the fan is always on, and I am itchy af everyday
>>2886098If it's not your property, then it's up to the owner to unfuck it. The solution is generally improving ventilation. You can achieve this with ducted fans, opening a window. Alternatively a dehumidifier can also theoretically fix the issue, but it's the retarded solution.The paint as such doesn't matter much, in that it will mold over again, but you should be using waterproof paint. >>2886099Is the property well insulated/sealed otherwise? The fan needs to be pulling air from somewhere, either through a window or a door or anything. If your outdoor air is very humid, then you probably have to settle for a dehumidifier.
>>2886100>If it's not your property, then it's up to the owner to unfuck it. He won't >The solution is generally improving ventilation. You can achieve this with ducted fans, opening a window. >Alternatively a dehumidifier can also theoretically fix the issue, but it's the retarded solution.There is a fan it's just shit, I'm planning to change it too >Is the property well insulated/sealed otherwise? The fan needs to be pulling air from somewhere, either through a window or a door or anything.It's an apartment, and no window there. Tbh I don't know how well insulated it is but the bathroom never feels cold and the humidity from other people's bathrooms comes in too>If your outdoor air is very humid, then you probably have to settle for a dehumidifierThe outdoor air is fine, I just don't want to leave the bathroom door open because I think the mold spores will spread to my hallway
>>2886111You have to get rid of the mold first, then ensure that the fan is working reasonably well, maybe definitely replace it with one that has a cover to prevent backflow from other people's bathrooms, and then keep the door open to vent the bathroom. After all this, you probably shouldn't get mold. Get some cheapo $1 hygrometer so you have some vague idea how humid the air is in your apartment. You can get a HEPA air filter to clean the air in the meantime, but they're not cheap and probably not all that important.
Go to a hardware store and get some 30% vinegar, or if you have access to Sanidate just get some PAA and mix it with a bit of water to dilute, then scrub it all off every surface. Also, take tons of pictures and keep track of all the work you do. Move out, bill the guy.
>vinegarKek.Spray some laundry bleach on it actually kill and remove the mould, itll destroy the mould and remove it from the surface, use eye protection in case it drips and ventilate the room then spray and wipe the ceiling with a surface cleaner. 5 min job tops.
>>2886114I tried cleaning it today and showered right after, but it was very hard and I did it in the morning and it's evening now and I'm still itchy everywhere. Not sure if it's from the mold spores or the vinegar or what but I used gloves. Does the backflow thing work while the fan is running?Still though the paint is peeling :/>>2886131What is PAA? Dont worry where I live there is no legal recourse for anything. Plus he will probably say it's my fault there is mold or something (it's the fan's fault)>>2886146Well that's what I did the first time then it came back 4 times worse like a week later. The paint is peeling though that was my main concern.
>>2886098Take a small block of wood, wrapp it in sand paper and proceed to strip the paint down to the concrete, apply primer, apply anti-bacterial latex based paint. To keep the moisture down keep the door open - the fan will draw air from the rest of the house.
>>2886150PAA is peroxyacetic acid. It can be applied as a spray/vapor to kill (but not remove) most common molds.Everyone says check the fan but did you check the heating? The fan does fuck all if it’s too cold for the moisture to evaporate. 24C for an hour or two after a shower works well in my experience to keep everything dry.
>>2886393Also for the repair remove all the affected paint after killing the mold. Then make the bathroom very warm for 2 days or so to dry out the layer of plaster or whatever underneath. Only then when it’s really dry try and apply new paint. You can get bathroom paints with anti mold stuff mixed in.
>>2886146Bleach doesn't kill mold idiot, vinegar does.
>>2886098Buy yourself some cheap chinese uv-c ozone light bulbs and a cheap e26/e27 lamp socket and let it run in your bathroom for a good hour or two.Air it out for 3-4 hours, then spray bleach or hydrogen peroxide and clean all the mold, then repeat again with the uvc ozone light bulb.The ozone that the uvc light bulb puts out oxidies all the mold and the spores and kills it. Just make sure to keep anything rubber/plastic away from there. The ozone will also degrade those things or silicone caulking seals like the ones on the toilet. Put clay over it or cover with plastic anything you don't want to get degraded by the ozone.
>>2886673Bleach does kill mold. Bleach not killing mold is propaganda by mold remover companies to get you to buy their mix of baking soda, borax, and what ever other stain removing agent they add to their brand mix. The reason people say it's not good is because company propaganda to sell their own product and because it doesnt' soak well into wood.Concentrated Hydrogen peroxide is probably the best and cheapest option if you're not worried about cleaning the stains. Home depot 35% hydrogen peroxide diluted to about 12-15% with distilled water is great.
>>2886679Also, don't breath in the ozone, not even for a little bit. Hold your breath going in and out of the bathroom/area, don't linger in the area for a couple of hours until the ozone is completely reacted with as much oxygen it can find and dissipates.
>>2886679>>2886680>>2886682Also wear a mask or filtered mask when you're spraying the mold. As the mold dies after its sprayed, it releases its mycotoxins and can really make you sick and feel like shit for a couple of days.
>>2886150Probably because there's still a shit load of mold spores in every nook and cranny all over the bathroom and areas outside of the bathroom that are getting activate and feeding on themselves again with humidity. Get an ozone light bulb and air out the bathroom and the whole house. Cover or move outside anything that's vinyl, plastic, or rubber that you care about. Also check your a/c unit. If you have central air remove some of the screws to the air handler and make sure there's no mold in the box, fiber glass, blower motor, and condensor unit.If you're renting and it's not your place, blast that fucking ozone light bulb and a fan every other day for a couple of nights to kill all the mold spores and let the landlord deal with degraded plastic and rubber electrical wires later.
>>2886150>What is PAA? Dont worry where I live there is no legal recourse for anything. Plus he will probably say it's my fault there is mold or something (it's the fan's fault)Dude, fuck your landlord. Mold can kill you, lower your iq, cause brain fog, alzhimer like effects, depression, anxiety, etc. Buy a pack of those uvc ozone light bulbs, put them everywhere there is a light socket, let them run for about 4-5 hours, then open windows/doors and run a fan to push all the remaining ozone out of the apartment so that you don't get sick breathing in the ozone that didn't react with the mold spores/contaminants. Mold literally kills people. Do it in every room, and get your a/c unit checked out too. If oyu have mold in your bathroom you probably have mold in your a/c unit too.
>>2886098>It seems that underneath there is some smooth white foundationHypothetically that could be a lime plaster/render. Which is naturally mold resistant, hygroscopic and very durable if treated properly. This would be my ideal bathroom lining on anything that's not stone or tile. Mold resistant paint is not the end all solution and a bit of a con, I have found it still grows on it. If you do a test (look up how) to see if it's lime plaster and it is: consider stripping all the newer paint off it and maybe paint with a lime wash if it needs it.
>>2886686This is all mostly fearmongering and the mold remediation business is getting massive, in fact the businesses that did asbestos remediation have moved on to mold remediation and they use the same sort of fear mongering shit to marketWe've known about mold for a long time, we make cheese out of them, we make all of our citric acid out of mold. Yeah you don't want it growing in your space, no it's probably not going to give you life long debilitating conditions through exposure to most types. Scaring people into placebo'ing themselves into problems because they believe they have problems.
>>2886098Uk?
>>2886150mold cannot grow where there isn’t a steady supply of moisture, because of this I would make solving ventilation my priority>the fan is busted everyone tells you to buy a new oneYou may not need a new fan, fans are simple machines, if they’re spinning they’re working. The problem is likely a buildup of dust/gunk/rust in the fan housing or along the ductwork. Clean the fan cover and blades, take the cover off if you can. Inspect the ductwork as much as possible to check for leaks/holes. You can also turn the fan on and try to find the vent on the outside of the bldg to check for airflow. once a semi-permeable material has had mold growing on it… it really should be thrown away and replaced.>if you can’t do thatYou’re gonna need a mold killer like bleach, soak the walls/ceiling with it. Don’t worry about the moisture in the cleaner since we’re killing the mold rn. Once it’s dry, scrub the walls hard, hard enough to remove as much as you can. A mask is strongly suggested. >repairsIn the states there’s a brand called “killz”, but basically you want a heavy duty, oil based, “stain sealing”, primer. You spray this on as many coats as you need to completely cover the area. After this you can paint another coat of whatever you choose or leave as-is. Up to you. If you really want a hack repair you can just use this stuff and spray it over the spots now.
>>2886131> vinegarLady, black mould is one of the most acid-tolerant organisms in the world. Quit watching 5 minute craft videos.Use bleach, maybe hydogen peroxide, or TSP. Ozonate.
>>2886702You can make your own mold-resistant oil paint by adding uncolored zinc napthanate (it’s almost clear) to an exterior-grade oil-based paint.
>>2887022No shit obvious Englishman
>>2886098That's really bad. I'd look for a new place, because if your home is so moldy that you itch and the landlord won't do anything, there are probably other safety concerns he'd ignore. If it were a place you owned, I would cut the offending drywall out completely, spray bleach into the cavity behind it, and then install waterproof drywall and paint that with latex paint that has mold killer mixed in (usually marked as bathroom paint). This process will also give you access to the electrical stuff like the vent fan, so you could replace that too
>>2886111>He won'tScrape it off the ceiling and throw it in his bed, car, and laundry.
>>2886150Because you didnt get it all, you missed some either there or missed the source and then continue to proivde optimal mould growing conditions. Do your vents have mould in them? Did you miss it under the painf?
Ive been debating whether or not to respond to this.This kind of mold is indicative of moisture issues inside, not behind walls. Bathroom fan running all the time makes your apartment breath out through the bathroom, not out the ceiling like it should. Then you heat it up and get it all humid several times a day when you shower and it never dries out and you have the 70% humidity and 70 degrees it takes mold to grow.I saw this in houses with wet basements where roofers had covered the ridge vents. The attics didnt breath, and the furnace intake was sucking in humid air all the time. Suck all that into the bathroom and it grows. I dont know how to exprapolate this to your individual apartment, but step one is not running the bathroom fan all the time, and get air going up through your ceiling and into your roof. Dehumidifiers are your friend.Ozone is a fucking retarded suggestion.There also is a good chance the bathroom vent is clogged and or very filled with dust and not moving much air. It should hold a piece of toilet paper up easily without fallingDoes it?Also, this is bad. Look for another place. Mold fearmongering is wild, but yours is beyond healthy to live with
>>2886098Also meant to say you are peeling off the most recent layer of paint, which peels like that because it didnt adhere well to the surface below it, because it was wet and moldy and just painted over. Looks like theres some spots underneath the layer you peel, thats mold from the previous go around.
