>buy tv wall mount>no studs where I want to mount it>“oh well I’ll just buy some toggle bolts to anchor it into the drywall”>1.5 years later tv is still mounted with toggle bolts and no issues>stumble across multiple reddit threads today where every comment says to NEVER EVER mount a tv without anchoring it into studs>some comments go so far as to advise people to put up plywood behind the drywall rather than just mount the tv using togglesDid i get lucky or is reddit just full of retards who don’t know what they’re talking about?
Mount it to the studs, you dumbshit.
>>2886454Seems to be doing just fine with toggles going on 18 months, what’s the issue?
Depends on how big your TV is.If you have a large TV like many people like to have, you're in a high-risk, big-consequence scenario.Big TVs are rather heavy and when they fall, they tend to be completely buggered. If it falls, it's gonna ruin your sheetrock behind it when the toggles pull out. If it falls, it's gonna damage whatever you have underneath it also.You could make it a low-risk scenario but putting in a little bit of extra effort and mounting to a stud or some blocking.I hope it works out for you, OP.
>>2886453How about, both are retarded?
I’ve found that a lot of people will go on about how “YOU CAN NEVER DO ___ EVER” and often times, while not the ideal thing to do, you can get away with it just fine. You just need to understand the risks associated with whatever rule breaking you’re doing. I just redid my ranch boots because they leaked. I sealed them with beeswax but I didn’t exactly do it by the books. There was probably a bunch of dirt caked onto the boots. I got most off with a brush and the flat of my knife. The ideal thing to do would have been to wash them with saddle soap but I just wanted the job to be done. At the end of the day they look quite good and I’m happy with the results even though boot autists would probably flip out at me for “ruining” my boots. If you understand that there is a possibility of your tv falling randomly and/or your drywall getting fucked up, you should be fine.
>>2886453Static loads are peanuts even for drywall. If you move it around every day, the screws may dig into the drywall a bit. Shit like a coat rack should be mounted to studs. But your tv is what 10kg? That’ll hold fine. I put 2 bicycle hooks with togglers in my previous house, remove and hang bicycle almost daily and no problem
>>2886453>no studs where i want to mount itFake and gay bait. Every 16 inches and you can't find any?
>>2886453It really depends There has to be something for the drywall to be attached toThe problem is over fireplaces there is generally not adequate support for the drywall so mounting a TV fails because the drywall isn't properSo the TV not falling proves there were, in fact, structural members in the wall holding the drywall or else your TV would have pulled the drywall out or fallen by itself due to flexionBasically, the people who successfully use anchors didn't need to and the ones that have to, definitely shouldn't
>>2886467Not every house/apartment has studs every 16 inches
>>2886464>3.06 MB JPG>I’ve found that a lot of people will go on about how “YOU CAN NEVER DO ___ EVER”ShouldThere are things you should do, and things you should not do.You CAN do whatever you wantBut we SHOULD call you an idiot for doing it, to discourage others
>>2886479they should
>>2886453how heavy or large is your TV?
>>2886454My studs are 28 on center
>>2886509It’s about 22lbs
>>2886464> I’ve found that a lot of people will go on about how “YOU CAN NEVER DO ___ EVER” and often times, while not the ideal thing to do, you can get away with it just fine. You just need to understand the risks associated with whatever rule breaking you’re doing.Normies don’t understand nuance
>>2886464Those boots are ruined, you'll be lucky to get 10 years out of those shit-caked heels instead of the 13 years a good pair of boots ought to last. Nice job you fucking retard.
>>2886465>your tv is what 10kg?I thought this was an insanely low estimate until I looked up modern tvs. Damn.
>>2886529I can’t tell if this is satire or you’re actually on the spectrum
>>2886574Not that anon, but I got leather boots that I didn’t brush off and keep clean and they wore out real quick with all the dust and debris acting as a grinding compound for the leather creases.Clean yer bootsMy next pair still look mighty nice.
You're a retard. If you can't mount to studs for some reason, you need to tear the drywall out, put in some thick plywood, and mount to that.
>>288651322 pounds sounds pretty light. I've mounted 40lbs on toggles. You just have to get the right ones and use enough of them.
>>2886467Believe it or not but not everyone lives on a 16 inch grid that ll their stuff snaps too
>>2886457 You do realize how light modern TVs are right? Your standard toggle bolt, properly installed can hold at minimum 50lbs, but likely more, closer to 100. Put 4 of them in one of those metal brackets that the TV screws into… you could literally hang from the thing and it’ll be fine. You could not physically pull the thing off the wall with your bare hands.
>>2886501The problem is, basically no one today knows the reason WHY something is encouraged. They just repeat whatever “meta” they read online without context or even comprehension. It’s the single most distinct feature of redditors. They confuse memorized, regurgitated facts for intelligence.
>>2886453>some comments go so far as to advise people to put up plywood behind the drywall rather than just mount the tv using togglesThis isnt standard? I thought the grwat achievmwnt of american construction was the OSB that creates a skin and also gives horizontal stiffness?
>>2886653He's not mounting it to the outside.
>>2886671Ah ok, the way ive seen it done was always with osb on both sides, lolBut yeah i'd recommend these dry wall anchors anyways but if his solution works, ir works.
>>2886607This is 100% unnecessary overkill for mounting a 22 pound television.
>toggle boltshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2cBXAUaDJQ
>>2886453>toggle bolts probably rated to hold 100lbs>put 22lb tv on it and don't do pullups or hang a hammock or sex swing etc from the articulating arm, assuming picrel even less issue if it's literally a mounting plate without articulation>has held for over a year without damaging the drywall, saggging etcYou're fine my dude. Ideally you mount things directly to studs so you don't even have to ask the question of whether it'll hold or not, but that's such a light load and apparently you're not a complete idiot so yeah this is entirely plebbitardation hard at work again.>>2886607>tear the drywall out and install plywoodIf you're doing all that skip the middleman and just add another fucking stud (or more, fuck it just fill up the space between studs with more studs wood's cheap so why not) to mount directly to.
>>2886636torque equals cross product of force and position vectoraka shit gets real when you extend the TV away from the wall (think like long vs short handle of socket wrench) and dynamic vs static load is a thing too depending on how big the tv is and how far it extends, it can be a problem, especially when it is extended very quickly
>>2886741this. The main question is, does OP's wall-mount allow the TV to extend out from the wall at all, or is it just a flat bracket against the wall? If the latter, yeah, toggles are fine. But your shit will be fucked very fast if you have the load out from the wall.
>>2886741Yes I understand how force moments work, my point still stands. Have you ever torqued something to 300 ft lbs? Also, toggle bolts become MORE effective as the force on them approaches being perpendicular to the wall. They’re only rated to around 100lbs because the bolt shears through the wall, if we’re talking about failing in tension… shit they could probably go double that. I’ll grant you that a mentally retarded person with zero understanding of physics COULD hypothetically install them on some hypothetical setup and get a failure, but for a reasonable intelligent person I’d say they’re fine for hanging TVs.
>>2886453>RedditThe type of anchor is less important than the brand of tools you used. You did use your Wera Zyklop to install those anchors, right? This guy works in IT which means he punches keyboards and never has to spin a wrench on a rusty nut and he says it’s the best kit ever!
>>2886923There's lots of different roles in IT. And some of us do several of them. There's a lot that involve physical setup, like rack mounting equipment and doing A/V setups.The important thing is that it works for him, numbnuts.>>2886675I like these Titan anchors for hanging up a TV if it's a metal stud or plain drywall, and Spax or GRK washer head structural screws if its a wooden stud.
>>2886931Dude is a keyboard jockey. Serious tradies don’t use that shit. The average 5-star reviews on the Zyklop stuff is from Redditors who are amazed by ze German design and innovation because they didn’t know flex head and roto head ratchets have been a thing for decades. Real tradies who use the thing on recommendations from people who seemed serious get pissed off because an SAE set doesn’t have 9/16” and the quality isn’t what it should be at that price point.
>>2886934Sounds like operator error to me. These sets are clearly for maintenance dudes, who don’t want to roll around their toolbox all day. If I’m walking up to a machine I want a toolset that’s light, and can get me through troubleshooting and basic repairs. If the problem is more serious then I’ll be able to go get exactly what I need. When you do 8 workorders a day for 300 days a year any improvement that streamlines that process seems worth it. I don’t doubt that soft body redditors jerk themselves off over ze German design, but that doesn’t mean the tool is shit and EVERYONE who uses it is shit.>inb4 youre the stereotype im talking aboutI’ve never bought these tools, and I don’t work in manufacturing maintenance anymore, but I have spent 100s for a marginal improvement to my “go bag” kit, because it’s def worth it when you gotta carry the thing across a massive plant in the summer heat. I could see an “IT guy” who works at a massive Google facility finding value in that.
>>2886923>>2887014I'm neither of these niggas but Bepshit managed to point out an Amazon review whale. "Errin L." is a former freelance developer who now spends his time reviewing any and everything he can on Amazon. His IT job is writing Amazon reviews. If you go looking they're easy to find, often the "most helpful" review for a given product. His reviews are very often featured on manufacturers websites as testimonials. He's not exclusive to Amazon, sometimes he'll drop a fat steamy review elsewhere. It's easy to spot the difference between his "genuine" reviews and his shilling, usually the difference is several paragraphs, photos, and a little ChatGPT.
>>2887043>Do you take your polyline on outdoor adventures?
>>2886931>permanent yet removable
>>2886457>>2886750Third factor could be the mount fixings, some mounts fix to the wall with little more than a 100x100mm centres. The long rail type systems can be fixed at much greater distance between screws, load is spread over larger plasterboard area.Plasterboard types also can come into play: certain walls where fire break or moisture resistance is required can be doubled up or of a back faced style.But I do feel sorry for whoever tries to mount a decent sized tv on your mount later on assuming it was fixed correctly.
>>2887014Nah. My father in-law must browse Reddit and for some reason he likes Wiha. I got him a fuckin $90 Toolcheck to bring with on his motorcycle. The ratchet and everything weren’t much nicer than my $20 Gearwrench micro bit driver kit, and within a few uses all the little folding plastic bits that hold the ratchet handle and screwdriver handle and shit were breaking, completely defeating the main appeal of the tool. It’s a meme brand.
>>2886464You should have taken the time to wash them. Im on reddit with this one. >leather boot enjoyer
My dad has one of these, not this exact model but one of these TV mounts on wheels, and I think it's neat as hell. It gives him a ton of flexibility. He can move the TV anywhere.
>>2887777>>2886529These boots would have ended up in the dumpster if I didn’t take them. They were already rough to begin with. They work good enough and no more wet feet when walking in puddles. If these muck boots last me more than 3 years it’ll be a win in my book.
>>2886453Some tvs are like 6 lbs and some are like 90. Also mounts can be a huge immovable plaque or 3 foot telescoping fully adjustable little 2 screw bastards like OP. It's always case by case if your anchors are going to do the job. It's easier to break a screw than to pull it out of a stud. Pull down on the tv in OP and the anchors will tear out quick as shit if not simply punch through the drywall.
>>2886464You mean there are grey areas and people should assess their objectives with their own due diligence instead of resorting to broad sweeping generalization from top down authority figures?
>>2886453>toggle boltsThat shit is garbage, I tried using them to install a pull up bar on double layer drywall and fell flat on the first the first time I used it.
>>2888012>Thinks it's the anchor's fault that drywall can't handle 350lbs of dynamic load
>>2888012See >>2888108Anon is retarded and didn’t use the right anchor for the job. Toggles will hold up cabinets full of crap just fine but not if you only use 2 of them and start jumping on top of said cabinet
>>2886899torque is measured in lb ft, dumbass
>>2886453What’s the worst that can happen? Your disposable TV that you’ll own less for 2 years on average tips a 18” round into some Sheetrock?
>>2887096Yeah because wera and wiha are marketed to dudes that buy vintage video game consoles, collect Pokémon cards, or need to hang shelves for their funko pops Same shit as ifixit
>>2886931> if you don’t use wera what do you use Snap-on and Matco sometimes MAC for their RBRT as well as nepros > you’re a fucking moron those are super fucking expensive You can’t justify the expense in your mind because you don’t actually use your tools to make moneyYou make your money by typing shit into an excel spread sheet An $89 ratchet is nothing if it’s a smooth no backdrag ratchet you use everyday of your life But the truth is, you put in maybe one screw into a wall at work one quarter a year and thus wera is great for you
>>2888344Wiha isn’t nearly the same as far as the shilling and collecting. This is the first “Limited Edition” thing I’ve seen so far, it wasn’t advertised all over like the black Knipex Cobras or the Wera advent calendar. Hell, I haven’t even gotten any stickers with my Wiha purchases. If anything they’re trying to keep up with the Kleins after the Klein Blackout driver set, and Klein does way more limited edition stuff than Wiha,
>>2888345> An $89 ratchet is nothing if it’s a smooth no backdrag ratchet Poor Todd shoulda bought the kit for that sweet $23 Gearwrench
>>2888363I put it in the same category because the Torx drivers from wiha got fucked up just as fast as the wera ones when used in a machine shop The best ones have been bondhus, snap-on, or even the ones kennametal sends The wera and wiha ones were stripped long before I got there and they weren’t impressive they looked like a cheap tool to me marketed to dorks
>>2888365The gear wrench ones might be okay…. They’re basically Matco ratchets with 4 less teeth but crappier handles, Chinese kids slapping however much grease in it I started 2023 with a Matco hack ratchet, a 3/8” head with a flex shaft I made It was alright I swapped it out for a snap-on 80 tooth 3/8 flex stubby The reason I did that was the metal handle was easier to get your hand on to torque off an Allen head screw used in machining The additional mass of the snap-on also allowed me to flex it over and speed handle it real quick I used a Bridgeport and a lathe so that really helped And it also helped when replacing coolant pumps in the sump of a cnc machine… something I still use that ratchet for to the day I even used that ratchet to pull apart a 4th axis the other day Money well spent when you’re not stripping every bolt because it lived in coolant all of its life and the Chinese don’t really care about what gear wrench says the tolerance ought to be tight but isn’t and was t checked before drop shipping to you
>>2888367> but isn’t and was t checked before drop shipping to youTaiwanese and sold through a reputable retailer who will stand by the warranty*I’m all for the tool whore stuff, but there’s a lot of mental gymnastics going on to justify retarded tool truck pricing.>>2888366And my Wiha torx has been great to me. If there’s one thing even non-#ToolRebels agree on, it’s that those two German companies do drivers really well. Your #claimed anecdotal evidence hasn’t swayed me on that one. In fact, with how precise and sharp the Wiha torx drivers are, I was sort of expecting those sharp corners to roll over a little bit with use and they have held up.
>>2887043Why is this allowed
>>2888344>Same shit as ifixitI fucking love my pro tech toolkit. Popping open laptops to replace parts and building PCs is easier with the right tools. Having a screw sorter tray built in makes things easier too.>You make your money by typing shit into an excel spread sheet And hanging TVs and putting holes in conference tables for teleconferencing systems. I do a lot of different shit. Excel is barely part of my job, mainly I work in AD and M365. Jealous that someone else gets to have a job where they get to think AND do power tool stuff?
>>2888337>t. Everything I know about tools and physics comes from google
>>2888383Matco tools have been pretty good to me, they’re a collection of all the best third party tools under one brandI get the special pricing that makes it cheaper than Amazon too but I don’t have to call 30 different manufacturers to warranty the same tool>>2888427There are less than 12 screws to take apart most laptops these days Your drills are cutting chip board that you can just stab a screw driver through Your job is a job that I would consider manual labor to be 0% of
>>2886453Drywall comes in different thickness and materials. Soundproof drywall is especially strong. The people with tvs ripping off the wall are probably in a cheap ass building with the cheapest drywall available.
>>2886453>Is reddit retarded or am I?
>>2888427>>2888344>ifixitI was gonna buy it, because I sometimes come across weird screw heads, but then I saw a similar set from Ezarc https://www.ezarctools.com/products/ezarc-precision-screwdriver-set-145-in-1-magnetic-torx-screwdriver-kit , which looks much cooler and seems more complete for less. How is it? I know the brand is slightly better chinesium, but I only had good experiences with those.
>>2888424What do you mean? Reviews exist to help retailers sell shit, not to inform consumers. Amazon will sell you reviews via their shill service, "Vine". If someone leaves enough positive reviews that get marked "helpful" they may be invited to join Vine. As a Vine member they get sent free stuff to review. It's totally legitimate and definitely doesn't affect the reviews and also if they leave several negative reviews they get dropped from Vine because negativity is dishonest and unhelpful when reviewing things.
>>2888463Looks like chinesium slop to me, if you don't round half of those fittings the first time consider it a win
>>2888463There are two camps in this world 1: yours “I don’t care what the tool is made out of, or how damaged or destroyed it gets as long as it’s the cheapest possible option and does the job once all tools are disposable, I’d I have to do the job again I’ll buy another whole new set of tools, not worth my time to organize and store these”2: my camp I like having quality tools, stored in an organized manner Everything labeled I have what I need of the highest possible quality on the market Those two types of people don’t get along to the point where I can’t even give you advice on what tools to buy without you getting mad at me… If you asked me what the best bits on the market are I’d say I like the Milwaukee ones…. You’ll get upset throw a tantrum and be like no I said the BEST Best in your mind is whatever comes out of china that’s soft as fuck that you can use on 2-3 screws each strip out, throw in your hard and chuck a new one up as long as you get a 10 lbs bag for $5 shipped on Amazon over night I have no words for you other than , research good tools, open a high yield savings account invest aggressively, perhaps go back to school and take a look at your life style to see where you can make financial cuts to buy nicer tools Eg alcohol, soda, cigs, vaping and junk food are all really expensive items that you can cut out of your life improve your health and maybe buy a nice tool with the savings
>>2888501>“I don’t care what the tool is made out of, or how damaged or destroyed it gets as long as it’s the cheapest possible option and does the job once all tools are disposable, I’d I have to do the job again I’ll buy another whole new set of tools, not worth my time to organize and store these”not exactly, it largely depends on the particular tool, I sometimes buy the go to brand, e.g. Knipex for pliers, Wera for screwdrivers, Steinel for a glue gun, etc, sometimes the cheapest possible, mostly things that are nice to have but used very rarely, but it's not always like a chink tool coming apart after first use and one from a known brand lasting years anymore. I've had Ezarc's sawzall blades (or even no name chinesium drill bits) performing better or lasting longer than Makitas' ones, costing several times more, in the past. my only other experience with the brand are hook knife oscilating tool blades, which are totally fine so far, and this set, other than being cheap, just looks cool, so I'm wondering if the quality is passable enough to use infrequently
>>2888502Okay, that’s like asking a rich dude where you get the most bang for your buck with food stamps because he’s good with money Different lifestyles different values So much so can’t even tell you where to start I’d probably go on Ali express and just buy whatever then
>>2888463>not Vessel
>>2888344>Tools that work for youLame! That’s not as cool as #TOOLREBEL. And they still haven’t given me a sticker!
>>2888527Will those fit in my wera/spyderco/benchmade brand tool purse?
>>2888542It’s a little large tbqhwy
>>2888434So you're admitting you're full of shit, gotcha.
>>2888543Oh man I’ll have to take my kuhnipexxussy plier out and if I do that I won’t have anything to hang my charizard key chain on Do they sell the special limited edition Zelda Torx?
>>2888544Yes, buy all your tools from china You’re wayyyy smarter than me you broke the system
>>2888547>He thinks he's arguing something relevant
>>2888510not sure what you're even trying to say, but there's no point overpaying like a retard for anything, even if you're rich and I'm not gonna discard a tool that looks really nice just because it's not from a meme brand (which I already too much of for my needs, e.g. my tools from the 3 meme brands here that were not in the garage) and could potentially be of sufficient quality for my needs.
>>2888429suck my dick, bitch.
>>2888546I know ur jelly of autistic German screwdriver setup.I regret not getting the Craftsman V Spain set.
>>2888573Holy shit that’s a lot of unused Wera stuff!Then again, I wouldn’t expect it any other way.
>>2888575>engineerAll you showed us is your license and certificate to use fusion360. Youre just digging your hole deeper bud.
>>2888582>Youre just digging your hole deeper budit's hilarious how you think I'm losing or something when you are unequivocally wrong and you know ityou got btfo, take it with some grace and stop replying to me.
>>2888579some of them are used quite frequently (really!), just not in a professional setting and they hold up really well when I dust them off with a compressor and wipe them after use
>>2888585Not the other anon you were arguing with. Just found it funny how you raged so hard you posted your degree and so i wanted to poke the bear a bit more.
>>2888589>ragedwhy is this the only thing you retards have to fall back on when you get btfo? durr ur mad!!
>>2888582Anon you're the moron who thought torque was measured in lbs. Your opinion is automatically invalidated. Force is lbs, torque is lb ft.
>>2888575Uhh you don’t work with your hands that’s a degree for an office job
>>2888573I’m pretty sure goodwill might even have random tools you can buy if you’re that hard up for cash
>>2888593Again, no clue what the argument was about. Infact looking at it im pretty sure you're in the right. Just found it funny you're getting this pissed over rage bait.
>>2888598I bought literally hundreds of tools and powertools in the span of like 2 months, you fucking retard
>>2888597
>>2886464Waxing boots without a full deep cleaning just adds flavor and personality to the boot. I'm not wearing these fuckers to a fashion show
>>2888609You know the guy that comes over and fucks your wife? Have you tried asking him for like $20 so you can get some tools to play with while they’re busy?
>>2888626speaking from experience, I see, but no thanks, it's something you need a trip for. as I said, I have enough tools to play, you illiterate nigger, but lets see all those Weras and Knipexes
>>2888630>let’s see those wears and knipexes Aww sorry man fresh out of onions
>>2888631lmao I've been spending more than that on tools daily>these are the people who talk about being poor
>>2888631>Fell for the tool truck sales pitch
>>2886513Old flatscreen plasmas were 50+ lb. When LED and especially OLEDs came out, not just the TV screens got lighter but also the power supplies got much smaller so your TV is very light compared to what the old advice was based on. I assume "toggle" = anchors, which can take shear of 50lb or more. If you buy a decent type of anchor it will tell you how much load it can support in drywall. As long as anchor load > TV weight (especially you should have multiple screws in your mount) you should be A OK.
>>2888631Check the spicy Mayhews that just came into the garage. I know you love muh US of A.>>2888589+1Does anybody even care about those pieces of paper anymore? As if learning to use CAD programs makes you know shit about mechanical stuff overall in the real world. I dropped out of a better ME program than anon (unless he blurred MIT).
>>2886453> is reddit just full of retards who don’t know what they’re talking about?Of course.But it all depends on the weight of the TV, the distance from the wall, who is yanking on it (dumb kids, etc.), etc. etc.HDTVs are so light nowadays a fucking basic nail could probably hold it up.
>>2888632You bitch about anything that isn’t harbor freight…. >>2888645Cool, everyone rebrands them from Walmart to harbor freight and Matco
>>2888576> still has his Craftsman V-Card Heard they discontinued the line, I avoided buying the clearance stuff because they’ll warranty with craftsman china crap
>>2888521Vessel is probably the best bet and likely crazy over kill for It desk job kid
>>2888663quote where do you think that is, so that we can establish you can't even read. how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>2888666CheckedLikely discontinued* Leave enough negative reviews and tell them to mail Facom from Yurop as a true replacement!I stopped really factoring in the warranty when purchasing better stuff like sets of hand tools. Lifetime warranty is a bonus but real defect should show right away and a good tool is going to be a good tool unti I do something absolutely retdarded witn it, and I don’t mind having to pay for a replacement wrench when I break one with stupidity.
>>2888679Literally anything anyone suggests that isn’t bottom of the barrel you complain about price on Made in India is probably your level of tooling that you prefer
>>2888838what the actual fuck are you talking about, you illiterate third worlder retard? it doesn't even make sense, as I just posted a pic of having a lot of Knipexes, Weras or Engineers, i.e. all the main brands allowed here. I don't care about the level of tooling of India, but bringing out what seems to be your country of origin out of nowhere explains a lot, as you can barely read English and unconditionally worship meme brands while not being able to afford them
>>2888862>as I just posted a pic of having a lot of *New, No Box Knipexes, Weras or Engineers
>>2888863I bought them all recently basically in one go, so there was no time for them to wear out and I'm using some of them a lot. I was pretty deficient in tools, because I couldn't get myself to do the research which ones to buy, what to avoid etc, or even shop for any set for basic tools and I was putting it off for years, so when I really had to pick up a few, I decided to buy every tool and powertool I could realistically need in the foreseeable future after watching a lot of tests, all at once, before I lose interest
>>2888870Jesus christ, so those are all babby’s first tools? And you use tools so little that you were able to put off buying a tool kit for years? Sure explains a lot.Also if you never used anything else and you’re going by unboxing vids on Reddit for the suggestions, how do you know how good any of the other stuff is?
>>2888902I've been gradually losing or mispacing them until almost nothing was left and in the last years I put off any major house work. last year I only bought a rotary hammer and an angle grinder, paying for chink shit as much as I saw DeWalt going for later, so decided to put off any purchases until I do my research. in the past I just bought the first given tool I came across in the store, not even some chinesium brands, just complete no names, because I didn't know any better, had no idea about any tool brands other than Bosch, so unsurprisingly they never lasted. this time I tried to be more concisous about and I was putting it away due to laziness until recently when I've been on an autistic tool buying streak for the last two months or so, going so far in some cases and ending up with 8 angle grinders, 7 leaf blowers and several hedge shears or unnecessary tools, like a seeder
>>2888904*too far in some cases
>>2888870Oh so you’re a wera tools and knipex tool user… I always had a question for knipex users So…. Guy guys just sit in the chair while some guy fucks your wife? That’s what have to do to be a knipex user?
>ITT: Two tripfags drag a thread into brand war shitheadery as they fop about being elitist
>>2888904You can’t be a DIYer and last a year without screwdrivers.
>>2888943and? every single house has a shitload of random old screwdrivers lying around. what does it have to do with anything?
>>2888923>you're poor because you're not a brand worshipper like me and just look at individual tools>oh no my meager set of tools I've been collecting for decades is worth less than a few of your tools bought recently just from the brands talked about here>t-that must mean you're like me and some guy fucks your wifelmao. I've been wondering whiy tripfags are so hated here in particular when Bepis seems alright and now I know. and you sure bring out wives getting fucked a lot out of nowhere. fresh in your memory?
>>2888931honestly filtering tripfags was the best thing I did for my experience on this board
>>2888967>what does it have to do with anything?A 13 year old kid says the VW Bug is rhe best car ever and no other car is as fast or handles as well as a VW Bug. He has never driven the Bug, nor any other car, but he saw a Reddit thread on a VW Bug fanboy page saying the Bug is the best car ever made.Is the VW Bug the best car ever or is the kid talking out his ass?>>2888994>tfw this anon isn’t really even having the /diy/ experience
>>2889018what the fuck are you even talking about, have you made up some imaginary point no one made in your head?
>>2889020Wera unboxing videos are a bad gauge of the actual usefulness of the tools.
>>2889054Why are you talking about the usefulness of tools, you dont use them you fucking faggot. KYS nobody wants to talk to you.
>>2889054so you're in fact just arguing with your imaginary point no one else made. who the fuck would even come up with an idea that unboxing vids can be used as a way to judge the usefulness of tools and look for them on reddit of all places?
>>2889060>>2889062Downvote!
>>2886453>>2886464Most people on reddit will read something once or twice that's typed with some sort of knowledge/authority behind it and just parrot it endlessly, thinking they're now experts on the subject from their "extensive" research, despite never having done what they're talking about. If you really want proof of this, go into any subreddit where you know the subject matter. Something related to your career/degree/trade, and see what they're posting about. You're going to want to slam your head into a wall. I'm an operational meteorologist and the amount of shit I see on weather-related subs by people acting as supposed experts is mind-boggling.>mount to drywallI got a TV mount for drywall specifically, it's held a 65" TV in place for >5 years with no signs of stress on the wall and zero issues. Do whatever works for you.
>>2889060Hey man, do you hire someone to open the wera tool packages you get? Those Amazon packages can scratch the blue anodizing on those bitchmade knivesAnd if you scratch it you can’t show it off at the office anymore
>>2886455My father in law installed a coat rack using drywall anchors instead of screwing into studs. Took 3 or 4 years to fall off the wall, but fall it did.Every "fix" he's done in that house is half-assed and nigger-rigged.
>>2889129He should’ve used toggles instead of regular anchors if he couldn’t hit a stud.
>>2889127>Snapon fanboy getting bitchy about someone owning nice knivesOh the irony...
>>2889129A coat rack is constantly having weight added and removed, while a TV is usually a static load.
>>2889229He’s not wrong though. There’s a huge through-line with the knife collectors and Wera unboxers. The number of EDC pics full of completely unused Wera Toolchecks and Spydercos is enormous,>Frequently Bought Together: Wera Toolcheck Plus + Knipex Cobra XS + Jergens Hand Lotion for Extra Soft & Pale Hands
>>2889229>>2889237Wera reviews are a gold mine
>>2889238Oh man, there was one review for the 1/4” Zyklop set and they were dirty brown hands. It was a 1 star review because the poor amigo tried to use it to do actual work and broke the thing
>>2889246This man says he had no issues with his palm after using Wera to assemble a PC! What a tool! Great for minor jobs when the user has super soft hands!
>>2889237>>2889238>>2889246>>2889248
>>2888575Pfft.I hate to rain on your parade of self-importance, but if you go back to the original post:>Have you ever torqued something to 300 ft lbsThis is the only time he refers to torque by unit, and uses a correct unit of foot-pounds.>toggle bolts become MORE effective as the force on them approaches being perpendicular to the wall>They’re only rated to around 100lbs because the bolt shears through the wallHere is should be obvious that he's referring to force with the unit of pounds, not torque.Though I'm not sure I agree with him. Depending on the thickness of the drywall and the type of anchor, I suspect there are definitely situations where the joint would fail under tension with less force than under shearing (vertical) load. Because a shearing load puts the nearby drywall in compression, which intuition tells me would be stronger. A shear load puts some of the nearby drywall in tension, and if that tension isn't spread out by a large inner face to the anchor, it could easily rip out. Especially if you're using those shitty plastic anchors.
>>2889264>PfftI see your inferiority complex with the first word of your post, lmaoThe correct unit for torque is lb ft. This is not arguable, there is nothing for you to respond with. It is fact. Foot pounds measure energy, or work. Not torque. This is also fact.You are dismissed.
>>2888575>raging seething, posting degrees with the university blacked outSo a complete joke of a school then? Also, how are you gonna not reply to a single point… and then just endlessly repeat how you won? You think you’re the only person on this board with a degree? You think “bro… like… levers man… like… if it’s on a lever it’ll REALLY need to be reinforced” is a good argument? Because that’s the only thing you’ve actually contributed here, and the guy who changes my oil for 15$ an hour knows that. We’re debating HOW MUCH reinforcement something needs, if you actually understand engineering and aren’t soooo pathetic to fake a degree do the math. >find the average weight of a TV, pick a few data points for common sizes>put the torque formula in a spreadsheet for the location of each bolt>Google how toggle bolts fail since you clearly have no real world experience so you can determine your failure threshold for the drywallThis shit is like a 1st/2nd year engineering problem. You can really impress me and do something up in solid works, but I think you’re just a lazy fuck talking out his ass and expecting people to be impressed with extremely basic physics terms.
>>2889275>You can really impress me and do something up in solid worksfaggot thinks I'm here to impress him lmfaoyou really need to work on your reading comprehension and learn how to follow the order of posts in a discussion, dipshit>raging, seethingyet only one of us is typing out essays and projecting out the ass lmfaoI guarantee you're an assmad tradie, those are the only people on this board who get so assblasted at the notion of collegestay btfo
>>2889271>still clinging desperately to the one nitpick you think you can win on and ignoring every other pointI didn’t even mention this in my last post because it’s so retarded, but clearly you need help. I was referring to the act of using a torque wrench, a rhetorical question to point out you clearly have zero feel for any of the forces involved. So you can’t really estimate based on feel or experience, you have no idea how strong a toggle bolt is via diy experience, you don’t understand how they fail, and you’re too lazy (or too scared) to crunch any numbers… what good are you to this conversation exactly? What are you contributing besides crashing out over your one win in life? You HAVE to be a career CAD bitch or something.
>>2889277>>2889277No I graduated from Penn State with a bachelors in ME. Now give us the name of the school you’re so ashamed of please.
>>2889281Kek, I was right with >>2888645>I dropped out of a better ME program than anonAnd my safety school was a better ME program than Anon went to. What the hell kind of mascott is a boilermaker?!On the upside, if you say “state” very quietly, people might think you’re bright
>>2889279>crashing out over your one win in lifeholy projection, lmfaoooooyou seem to be confused AND retarded, so I'll hold your handyou used the wrong unit for torque in your sperg session up aboveI entered the thread and corrected youyou claimed I learned about physics on youtubeI disproved itcue autistic meltdown because you got btfoand now we're here where you're assmad and coping and serving as momentary entertainment for mego ahead, type out your next essay about how not-mad you are. I'm waiting, bitch. do as I say.
>>2889271Ok so you did read it correctly, you just brought up your degree because of semantics. That makes it even worse. Are you gonna go all "well actually" when welders use the term "amperage" instead of "current"? Or when your download says "KB" instead of "kB"? The point stands, foot-pounds are commonly used for torque to the point any layperson would understand it. You're just sperging out when people don't stick to your mandated requirements. I was like that too when I was fresh out of college, all those working professionals were doing things WRONG!If you actually went through a physics course in college and were taught to calculate energy as pound-force multiplied by feet, that's kinda funny though. What's it like having to use a proportionality constant in Newton's 2nd law?
>>2889285holy fuck, I've never seen someone this buttblasted after getting btfo on the internetthis has been fun but it's getting pathetic. we're done here
>>2889285Joules*
>>2886464>ruinedmeh, beeswax wont hold up for long anyway
>>2887043>the more you notice
Mount 7/8" solid strut onto studsCross it with spring nuts and etc.Mount the whole thing
Well, since this stupid thread exists, I'll ask my dumbass question here.I moved into a new place and I want to mount my TV from the cieling, but I can't find a stud, there's these gayass tiles that ate keeping my studfinder from picking anything up. I tried going around with a nail but I haven't been able to find anything. What's the best way to find a joist here?
Toggles can be surprisingly strong. If it's a smaller tv it's likely fine but I'd never fully trust it
>>2889533tiles?try a magnet. see if you can find any fasteners.maybe a thermal camera.
>>2886457New TVs are pretty light. We're talking like 50lbs for an 80". That's 12.5lbs per bolt. I wouldn't trust it long term but most likely it'll hold just fine
>>2889533But what kind of drill bits will you use for the holes?But seriously… what kind of tiles? Not like a drop cieling, right? And this >>2889545 if the tiles are secure, just use fucking toggles or anchors
>>2889550Inspector called them sound tiles, they're like 12"x12" that are made of...plaster? Or some shit, idk. It's not a drop ceiling but the tiles seem delicate so I don't really trust them to hold weight.
post a photo of your tilesI'm confused
>>2886453i dont ever wall mount tvs, I put them ontop of something tall like a dresser or somehing.I don't like drilling holes in my walls.
>>2889271Go lbs ft you fucking dork , Diy is for real men 80iq and lower
Does anyone have that pic of someone's kitchen cabinets which fell because they were all installed with toggle bolts? That shit cracks me up every time
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