I think it's time we finally stop building what are essentially glorified shacks and update our building codes.
Nobody cares what you think, my man.
>>2887922Ok what's your goal in new building codes?
>>2887922>please govna help me i am incapable of building what i want, or hiring someone else to do it. force everyone to do it lik i want it done!!communist trash
>>2887940>Muh freedomYour retardation is the reason sensible people saved their houses while yours burned to the ground.>>2887931Ban wood and its derivates from being used for anything other than interior walls.
>>2887943literally just maintain forests and do controlled burns, and it also helps to actually jail criminals instead of releasing them letting them burn entire cities down
>>2887931>Ok what's your goal in new building codes?Every home 10K gallon of water storage, battery or diesel pump and sprinklers on roof and below eaves.Have a couple hours on a couple days each summer when people are allowed to run system checks and no one is allowed to complain about all the water flying around.
>>2887922Commiefornians have updated the building code so much that you can't even build glorified shacks anymore, in fact, literally everything is illegal. The only thing allowed on these properties from now on will be brown people selling fentanyl, and organizing local gangs from that one standing garage someone accidentally built out of brick.
I found it crazy that even homes that cost $18M are built using the same shitty materials. Barely any steel beams, brick or concrete(other than foundation), and yes I get the price is location and inflated to shit because jewing tricks but it's quite unbelievable that houses costing many dozens of millions are so shit.Also crazy that people didn't even manage to save artwork worth millions.
>>2887985Rich people have shittier homes and infrastructure than normies because all the trades hate them. Every time I've done a house call and seen some rich bastard in malibu or Westlake the electrical and communication lines are dog shit and buried under a bush and full of dirt
>>2887922the infrastructure in california was not kept up to existing standards (reservoir all dried up lol)additionally the fires were arson, as with several recent "natural" disasters (the hawaii fires, the animal processing facility explosions, the new palestine, ohio train wreck, the canadian wildfires) holy shit just typing this out makes me feel sick how do they make us forget this shit so quick
>>2888007Meds
>>2887922DIY-themed /pol/ thread
>>2887922Why the ever living FUCK would you want to improve building codes so more commiefornians can live in the event of a natural disaster?
>>2887922Didn’t LA entirely burn down a long time ago, and they said “never again”?If they built like ancient chinese rural areas using rammed earth and clay tiles (or something like it) this never would have happened.They’re literally blaming the wind.
>>2888031>rammed earthin one of the most seismically active areas of the continental USBrilliant!
>>2887976The real i.pact will be felt when just like every other area in CA ravaged by wildfires, the municipal and county governments use the opportunity to revamp zoning and building codes in a way that makes rebuilding vastly mote expensive if not impossible to comply with, and forces long time residents to relocate.Fucking CA legislature wouldn't even pass a bill to exempt victims in Paradise CA from having to pay taxes on the settlement money awarded to them when PG&E pled guilty to burning their town down and killing 85 people.Just warch; the same political hacks whose incompetence led to this will ow prey upon the victims and make their suffering FAR worse...and anyone who says so will be accused of "playing politics".
>>2887922this has nothing to do with building codes it has to do with ridiculously high winds. no one can afford a 100% fire proof house.
>>2887985the homes aren't what the 18 million pays for. it's the land.
>>2888058>Wind makes houses highly flammable Holy cope.
>>2888058It has nothing to do with the high winds.California has wind sometimes. Everyone knows this. It's entirely foreseeable. The brush area is not managed and has not been managed well for 80 years. This is a major problem throughout the US. It's gotten slightly better but it's still crazy. These fires need to burn the area because there's 40 years of fuel built up there. The fire department response to defend the homes sucks because they're all DIE now and the water was drained.The infrastructure is fine. It's just illegal to fill the reservoir because of environmental concerns.
>>2888058It's not really that much more expensive. You start with a non-flammable exterior and work your way in from there. With things like fiber cement siding, and metal or clay tile roofs, it's not hard to have an exterior finish with a high fire rating that's not brick.The real problem is that if you get a hot enough wildfire, like some of what's going on currently, things like furniture and textiles will combust on their own. Concrete, stone, and brick all have a certain amount of moisture content which can -- or more likely will -- result in structural damage as the water boils and vaporizes, cracking the masonry in the process. Even if the house doesn't burn, it doesn't mean it's safe to live in.
>>2887943>Ban wood and its derivates from being used for anything other than interior wallsWhy? Is that the goal or the means to the goal? What do you think that will accomplish?
>>2888058Wind has never been heard of before anywhere else in the world except in california in 2025. Who could have predicted this new threat?
>>2887943Just ban all wood, metal and concrete are far more superiorer and cheaper
>>2888060I'll put you in a chamber with pure oxygen and have a little arc generated in thereWe will see the cope after what happens to you inside there you annoying pretentious jew
>>2887976Oh boy, I sure wonder who is behind this post
I don't get why Californians spray their fire retardant to already burning trees? Wouldn't it make sense to coat the trees outside during the colder months, so they don't catch fire in the first place?
Just imagine how much money is there to be made for trades bros during the cleaning/rebuilding process.
>>2888171They do.mear some highways.Generally it's illegal though. You're also supposed to maintain a defensible space arpund your house, that is manage all the forest you own and keep burnable shot away from your house.Everyone in the area is either not actually rich enough or smart enough to do this or it's literally illegal. Your not allowed to cut a tree down anywhere near the coast because thw coastal commission doesn't want anyone to live there. This is their dream and what they've been working for years. They're probably gonna buy it up for pennies and then sell it to China in 6 years
>>2888058Metal roof/eaves/soffit, stucco or sprayed concrete siding, metal frame windows and metal doors, heat recovery ventilation. All common materials which can be used with a wood frame building.Couple 10s of thousand will make it fire proof unless you plant a bunch of eucalyptus trees next to your house.
>>2888126Based
americans deserve big houses, how are we supposed to make big houses out of mud and bricks?
>>2888226>weyou are not one of us
>>2888184>fireproof Utter retard with zero comprehension of the area and conditions involved in a wildfire, or construction materials for that matter.
>>2887973>every home in california having 10k gallons of wateryeah that's totally realistic. you might as well suggest they build them out of stainless steel so they cna't burn. cyber truck lookin homes, sheeit.
>>2888241Look at the OP picture again. It was a wildfire initially, but in that dense neighbourhood it was just a house fire spreading fast due to wind. There aren’t enough trees there to keep it burning otherwise
The uncomfortable reality dealt with forever is that if your house burned down you were homeless. Today we have ten thousand asinine building codes effectively stifling the housing supply. Population density in sub-par areas inevitably bankrupts or pushes out traditional insurance companies. Big government supporting retards think that the answer it to either:>have government backed insuranceThis way the risk and loss are distributed to all taxpayers, not just the ones who reside in dangerous areas>Force municipalities to enact stricter building codes in hopes of retaining insurance providersSo that less houses can be built and the cost can be even more prohibitiveFuck Floridians, Fuck Californians, and fuck Statists
>>2888241https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dfe1OVkXuE
>>2888262>Today we have ten thousand asinine building codes effectively stifling the housing supply.It's not the codes, it's the zoning and government refusing to extend utilities and services.
>>2888067>>2888060>>2888079The average monthly wind speed in LA is under 10mph. It is currently pushing 100mph in some places. Do you know what bellows do? The fires are burning much hotter than average, which is pushing some areas into auto ignition, and the heat and embers are traveling much further than they’d normally be able to. I’m not saying that there aren’t issues with brush, water, and FD management. But the high wind speeds are massively affecting the scale of these fires.
>>2888297Listen here you dumb motherfucker. You are not an expert oj california wond conditions because ypu read a post on Twitter. They named these winds after general santa Ana. They have been well known for as long as people jave lived in California. It's fire season. It's fire season half the year in California. The only people actually surprised about this are the politicians
>>2888171Fire retardant only works when it stays wet. If it dries out it doesnt do shit during a fire.It also doesnt work very well in brush or timber since it wont permeate to the ground so fire can just burn in the understory right underneath where the retardant lines were put.I fight fire for a living. If you get sustained high winds like what LA was getting, the fire is going to go where it wants and burn what it wants to burn. Your best plan of action is trying to divert it around communities that are in the heads direct path and seeing what roads and areas you MIGHT be able to hold it on once the weather becomes more favorable to send crews into to go fight fire direct. But LA is fucking retarded and corrupt so fuck em.
Yep. With how rich you tards are, could've fortified that entire area with literal castles, better than europe or anywhere else on earth, but instead you all autistically copy paste the same ritzy suburbia mcmansion trash over and over. Its the same with business suits still being common fashion. Lemmings. How many times does the same shit have to burn down, the same hurricane corridors have to be blown away, before you modern cavepeople learn? If you were actually sentient and worthy of your wealths you'd have been aware of the long since established death zones of planet earth, of where and where not to build, but here we are, the steady crop of ironically richtards still fueling the many parasitic industries that feed on such an abhorrent waste of precious resources. The only hope is that the children and the AI collectively see and learn from your horrors and cooperatively adapt accordingly. May God have mercy on your wasteful appetites and mold you into your superior forms.
>>2888242>yeah that's totally realistic. you might as well suggest they build them out of stainless steel so they cna't burn. cyber truck lookin homes, sheeit.Corton steel siding looks nicer and is readily available.Corton steel plus rockwool panels will protect wood behind it almost indefinitely. Given the cost of the plot, making the entire exterior out of metal and glass is perfectly doable for a Malibu home.
>>2888311Oops, corten steel.
>>2888031>They’re literally blaming the wind.Not without reason. Major windstorms brought down power lines and resulted in electrical fires which kicked this all off, then the wind fanned the flames. They still could've prevented a lot of this by responding more quickly to the power lines that went down, but there's some degree of unavoidable risk when you build in a drought-prone area, especially when you also have to build in anticipation of earthquakes.
>>2888298Just because they knew about them, doesn’t mean they aren’t what’s making the fire burn hotter than normal.
>>2888371The point is they are foreseeable and we used to be prepared for them. It's also not really that bad. The main thing is the planes can't drop water close to the fire. Like I said, you read one posy on Twitter and th9nk you know what wind is like here
>>2887922This is how swarthoids operate. Life is cheap, build fast burn fast.The White Man's job is to remain silent and do nothing while our racial enemies destroy themselves.
>>2888255>There aren’t enough trees there to keep it burning otherwiseAgain, this displays a complete lack of understanding about how and why these kinds of wildfires burn in areas that are chaparral, not forests. There don't have to be trees OR houses to fuel these fires, the native plants are full of volatile compounds and are designed to burn as part of their natural life cycle.When the heat gets hot enough those volatile compounds off gas and will flash ignite like gasoline vapor and huge areas will instantly be saturated in burning fumes that then ignite the solid plant material. There doesn't need to be any trees and flames from burning solids don't need to transfer directly or via embers from them getting blown onto other unburned solids.>chamise or greasewood...is a flowering plant native to California and Baja California. This shrub is ***one of the most widespread plants of the California chaparral ecoregion***. Chamise produces a specialized lignotuber underground and at the base of the stem, known as a burl, that allow it to resprout after fire has off burned its stems. It is noted for its ***greasy, resinous foliage***...> It can be found in serpentine soils and south-facing slopes, which are ***generally inhospitable to most plants***, as well as in slate, sand, clay, and gravel soils. >Chaparral habitats are known for their fierce periodical wildfires, and like other chaparral flora, chamise dries out, burns, and recovers quickly to thrive once again
>>2888331The powerlines don't need to come down, all they need is to get blown into each other and spark or onto trees that are allowed to grow up into them due to lack of maintenence, and chafe the insulation off and allow shorts.After the Cedar and Camp fires CA utilities began shutting off power during Santa Ana wind events to protect themselves from liability but in back country areas this wreaks havoc on residents ability to maintain communications in fire season and keep pumps running...so they are now forced to run gas/diesel generators for power and to run pumps for on site firefighting (or just well water), with all the fire risks that those present- at EXACTLY the height of wildfire risk.All because the fucking utilities won't maintain the power lines properly in a place with some of the highest electric rates in the country...which includes costs passed on to consumers to pay for all the fire damage and related legal expenses, fines, victim funds, PR rehabilitation campaigns, etc. from those earlier fires. Oh, and political contributions to legislators who run interference for them too->Newsom’s office crafted law protecting PG&E after company’s crimes killed 84 people | https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/abc10-originals/newsom-pge-protection/103-65ca1d41-8efe-45b4-87bc-0cdecc714378
>>2888294Literally nothing like the terrain of Southern California where these fires are burning, that direct and intensify heat and flames in unique ways and create extreme difficulties in accessing areas to fight them from, cut firebreaks, etc.Also, that anything in that video was left standing and those people survived is nothing short of a miracle, not just the result of some simple set of building standards that would make all structures "fireproof" in an unprecedented firestorm.
>>2888298>They named these winds after general santa Ana.No, they did not, look it up.
>>2888331Every city should evacuate whenever it gets windy.
>>2888391It was a high wind brush fire. With some defensible space and fireproof homes that's exactly how it would be in Malibu.Lets say the entire exterior is either steel or double glass, with the steel backed by rockwool and the double glass mechanically secured in steel frames. What is supposed to catch fire? The insulation from the windows and rockwool will keep heat away almost indefinitely. Once the fuel near the home has burned, it's only air carrying in heat ... and convection just doesn't bring in that much energy.Even with a lush garden nothing is going to reach autoignition, you'd have to go full retard and surround yourself with eucalyptus.
>>2888391> in unique ways nothing is unique about firewooden homes will burn to the ground>>2888390>blaming the cause of fires rather than every thing else typical california delusions
>>2888390The utilities aren't allowed to clear brush or trees to do any work on their shit or keep it from touching their lines. Even dead trees in danger of falling on high voltage lines even when they have documentation of their petitions to the forestry department begging to let them remove it.They just blame them for every fire anyway even when it's started by arsonists.They also figured out they can blame them for the fire hydrant water shit. Like you have to keep the power on in impossible conditions and also turn it off to stop the fires and we have no responsibility to supply our own water for totally foreseeable emergencies >>2888419>you'd have to go full retard and surround yourself with eucalyptus.I see you've never been to California
>>2888419LOFL, retard thinks glass is impervious to the heat of a wildfire
>>2888443>The utilities aren't allowed to clear brush or trees to do any work on their shit or keep it from touching their linesAbsolute, unequivocal bullshit....so easily disproven that one has to wonder why you would even try to sell it-Public Resources Code 4295.5 applies in both High Fire-Threat Districts and State Responsibility Areas. This law: Allows PG&E to access land to perform tree safety work prescribed under Public Resources Code 4293 and to prune or remove any hazardous, dead, rotten, diseased, or structurally defective live trees. Requires PG&E to notify the landowner and provide an opportunity for them to be heard but does not require PG&E to obtain permission to access land. Provides PG&E with the ability to decide how much tree trimming is needed to keep its electric equipment safe. PG&E follows applicable regulations, standards and best practices when conducting tree work. Following the Governor's January 2014 Drought State of Emergency Proclamation, the CPUC issued Resolution ESRB-4. Under this resolution, utilities are required to take the following measures to reduce the likelihood of fires: Increase vegetation inspections. Remove hazardous, dead and sick trees and other vegetation near electric powerlines and poles. Share resources with CAL FIRE to staff lookouts adjacent to the utilities' property. Clear access roads around powerlines for fire truck access.https://www.pge.com/en/outages-and-safety/safety/vegetation-management.html#accordion-featured-682c8ae48c-item-338df87d81
>>2888432>nothing is unique about fireThe TERRAIN of hills and arroyos in the coastal foothills of SoCal along with native scrub literally intended to burn creates a unique situation of what amount to natural chimneys that can direct and intensify heat and (flammable) smoke and other combustion products blowing that shit onto plants that are full of volatile oils, you fucking retard.>Three of the most flammable plants in California landscapes are bay laurels, coyote brush, and chamise – all native. An evenhanded presentation of fire hazard ratings for all plants that does not downplay the danger of native plants or exaggerate the danger of non-native plants would better serve people working to address fire hazards.
>>2888456> designed to, and known it was going to burnYou’re not making a good argument here about why, then, the governments aren’t 100% liable, and essentially caused it.
>>2888449Okay what do I know I just work here and deal with the fucking assholes in the forestry and lived through a fire caused by the tree falling on our shit
>>2887922it was only like 13000 houses that was the destroyed in the big america on the news fire, even if you triple that it shouldn't be a big deal cause america has so much money, just get them all a new house.
>>2888447>LOFL, retard thinks glass is impervious to the heat of a wildfireJust don't plant eucalyptus trees next to your windows.https://basc.pnnl.gov/images/home-survived-laguna-beach-fire-october-1993-which-claimed-more-400-neighboring-homes-thanksOr even better this, car with melted block at his neighbour. Windows from a properly designed home 10 feet away, fine. (Exterior only looks like wood, it's stucco.)https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/la-fires-architect-home-survived-783939-20250111
>>2888472Eh, not the block, rims of course. Regardless it was properly hot 10 feet away and the windows survived. Radiant heat falls off cubed, it's the stuff right on top of the house which matters most.
>>2888475> survivedThe signal to start looting hasn’t even been given yet…
>>2888459Nice misquote, douchebag
>>2887985As the other guy said, the cost is for the location and maybe the size of the plot, not the structures on it. Even if you tore the house down, the lot would still be expensive because it’s prime real estate.
>>2888456> literally intended to burnYou’re not making a good argument here about why, then, the governments aren’t 100% liable, and essentially caused it.
>>2887922we must build denser more affordable housing in steep winding canyons prone to raging wildfires, and if the politicians oppose, just bride them. Also water reservoirs are expensive so lots build not new one. If they already exist lets not fill them. When there is above average rainfall and the state's drinking water reservoirs are full we must drain them to protect the delta smelt while telling tax payers there is a water emergency because of global warming. Also, when the fire department warns the community for days and days of very hot dry winds are coming creating a severe fire hazard, we must be totally unprepared when a fire starts from power lines which are not properly maintained by the utility to save money. It really is that simple
>>2888303Well you could also just prevent it from starting in the first place. It seems like they were all started by winds pushing trees over into power lines.Why are the power lines not buried in areas with trees?How is there no blame being put on gigaretard power infra?
>>2888602>It seems like they were all started by winds pushing trees over into power lines.A lot of the fires were arson. There are vids of people starting them. People grabbed one guy with a torch - its on vid. Homeless people start them all the time but the FD is not allowed to talk about that - its hurts the homeless person's feeling. A homeless freak started 5 fires in about an hour in the overgrown never managed 'corridor' next to where I live. He was trying to start his sixth when the cops arrested him.
The politicians are now talking about 'cutting all the red tape' so people can rebuild their homes. Why is there so much red tape so easily cut that everyone has to deal with when there is no major fires?
>>2888604No that's not exactly true.They were starting them becothere were already fires, so they wanted more or thought they could get away with making more.Thought it is a factor when you have a homeless person in a makeshift tent with an active fire to keep warm. That shit will get separated in high wind and immediately catch fire. While true most fires are started by homeless in general, it's usually that they set their tent on fire by ignorance or accident.
What? Why? Everything's fine. I am fine with the events currently occurring.
>>2888608>No that's not exactly true.its exactly true, crack heads cooking in their cardboard box is another problem, but homeless love starting fires just for fun. The news reports is just crackheads accidently starting fires cooking or smoking crack.here is one winnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kb3hxY3jEthere are a lot more vids on twitter/x but I do not use it so I can not search for them.There are numerous fires starting today in SoCal - agenda free tv is live talking about one now. The CalFire incident map shows the locations of a lot of them.
>>2888584Because the government didn't createe the native plants whose natural life cycle is dependent on the occurrence of recurring wildfires>Manzanita shrubs, ***native to the Californian chaparral***, have a unique relationship with fire. Their seeds are encased in a hard shell that requires intense heat to crack. This ***fire dependency*** ensures germination and occurs in cleared spaces with reduced competition. >the actual seeds of many plants in fire-prone environments ***need fire, directly or indirectly, to germinate***. These plants produce seeds with a tough coating that can lay dormant, awaiting a fire, for several years. Whether it is the intense heat of the fire, exposure to chemicals from smoke or exposure to nutrients in the ground after fire, ***these seeds depend on fire to break their dormancy***. >Notable examples of shrubs with this particular fire adaptation include Rhamnaceae (Buckthorn family, including Ceanothus, Coffeeberry, and Redberry) that ***grow in the California chaparral*** and other ecosystems of the American West.>Chaparral is an intermediate fire-return interval (FRI) system, which typically ***bums with high-intensity crown fires***. Although it covers only perhaps 10% of the state of California, and smaller areas in neighboring states, its importance in terms of fire management is ***disproportionately large***, primarily because it occurs ***in the wildland-urban interface*** through much of its range.
yes absolutely, housing is still not expensive enough to keep the niggers out
>>2888389Yea no. The area is 2% vegetation and ~30% houses. Sure the vegetation and wind help it spread but that required intense heat you are talking about comes from the houses
Brick is no guarantee of fire survival.
>>2887922Building codes are being updated all the time. For example the International Residential Code was updated in 2019 to include cob in load bearing walls for single story homes. Quit your bitching and do more engineering work for free if you want to hurry things along. If you want to build some other way there are plenty of places out in the desert with 0 building codes for you to build your earth ship or whatever it is you hippies are doing these days.
>>2887943Plastic and metal are worse than wood dipshit>>2887969many forests are dead because they were planted as a monoculture by logging companies that pretend to be green
>>2888687Looks pretty good desu. They should have used more brick actually. Brick interior walls would have helped slow the spread of fire.
>>2888661>that required intense heat you are talking about comes from the housesJFC you are fucking stupid- those plants have been there fueling the intense wildfires they need to propagate for thousands and thousands of years, houses have not. >Large, high-intensity chaparral fires have occurred prior to recent times and will continue to occur. Southern California has one of the most fire-prone climates on earth. For example, more than 300,000 acres burned in the Santiago Canyon Fire during the last week of September, 1889 in Orange, Riverside and San Diego Counties (the 2003 Cedar fire burned 273,246 acres). As with modern fire storms, there were numerous other wildfires across Southern California that week. However, the fires didn't inflict much damage on the human community because few people lived in the backcountry back then.
>>2888126metal and concrete don't even go togetherrebar is a ticking time bombthe steel will eventually swell to 4x it's size and break the concrete, which is why every WW2 bunker is falling apart, and why rebar alternatives are so commonalthough you're probably just going to use the sad excuse that you're only building for yourself and not for your children or grandchildren
>>2888179Burn down the coastal commission then you dipshitYou idiots revolt all the time but never do it right
>>2888703No, they're dead because we don't let them burn in a controlled way.so the bark beetles never die
>>2888702> updated all the timeYeah. Like, now they will account for new unknown things like fire and wind, forgetting about earthquakes, and the cycle of malfeasance repeats.Let the profiteering begin!
>>2888714The dense vegetation is only next to the most expensive homes. Most homes have only have homes on all sides with a small garden. The wildfire produces embers, but it's not like a mile away the air is hot enough to spontaneously ignite a building.
>>2887940>Your whole town burns down like the 1500s because someone 4 miles away used tar on the inside of their roof AGAIN
>>2888826>The dense vegetation is only next to the most expensive homes.Who said anything about density? Coastal chaparral/ scrub isn't particularly dense.>Most homes have only have homes on all sides with a small garden.Wrong, and ignores all the massive wildfires that go through totally undeveloped areas just as fast or faster.>The wildfire produces embersWow, you got one thing right, finally>but it's not like a mile away the air is hot enough to spontaneously ignite a building.Nobody said it would but again you prove that you have no clue WTF you are talking about- the speed of a fires spread is highly dependent on topography that you completely ignore.Even on flat ground a wildfire's spread rate can be 15 mph, which means it can go a mile in four minutes.Add in high winds blowing up a canyon and that speed can double or even triple.But I've personally witnessed smoke and volatile plant vapors spontaneously flash over an area 1/8 of a mile long in the blink of an eye during the 2003 Cedar fire- and on relatively flat ground...not because the entire area was at combustion temperature but because it was covered with highly flammable HYDROCARBON vapors from the terpines and other volatiles in native plants, none of which came from or had anything to do with houses. IOW the smoky, oily vapor filled fucking AIR above the ground ignited and stayed burning long enough for the plants beneath those burning vapors to ignite without any embers or buildings involved.You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
CA in a nutshell->Gov agency (LADWP) tries to replace old wooden power poles with steel, widen fire-access roads, and install wind- and fire-resistant power lines in declared "elevated fire risk" area to help prevent fires>environmentalists karens force work to stop over an endangered shrub with the help of another gov agency (CA Coastal Commision)>$2 million in fines (paid by taxpayers) levied by one gov agency against another and reversal of all work and replanting ordered>less than five years later entire area goes up in flames likely taking out all of the endangered plants along with thousands of homes, historical buildings, other native plants and killing people and animals> environmentalist karens are happy because the rare scrub plant is one whose seeds germinate after wildfires> now homeless citizens paid/pay/will pay more for every single bit of it> CA politicians and media lackeys blame global warming, not enough taxes on "the rich" who pay the majority of taxes, corporations/capitalism, Republicans who hold no power in CA govermment, and bad orange man.https://nypost.com/2025/01/14/us-news/california-bureaucrats-halted-pacific-palisades-fire-safety-project-to-save-endangered-shrub/
Considering how only one house survived, I’m thinking this was one of those things that was inevitable.Although, politicians and every private citizen were hoping it “wouldn’t happen on my watch” since it’s a rare event and used the cheapest construction materials available, and stole all the money that was supposed to be used for public safety.They were hoping to retire or die before anything happened. Just like the guys running Fukushima diichi nuclear plant.Meanwhile, in china, you got families living in the same homes sometimes for 15 or 20 generations now.
>>2888987...The city utility had been alerted to the presence of the endangered plants on July 7 via an email sent by David Pluenneke, an amateur botanist and avid hiker. It thanked him for calling the issue to their attention, according to documents obtained by The Times.Eight days later, Pluenneke visited the site and discovered that crews had removed all vegetation across several acres for a new dirt fire road, 24 feet wide. He was livid, and remains angry.>“It’s hard not to think that if there had been blue whales and panda bears up there, they would have bulldozed them, too,” Pluenneke said.
>>2888998These fucking nimrods.think.the.poles just manifested into position. They don't consider that maybe sometime in the last 100 years the.company came.through previously and cut exactly the same road. No way. And now there's no way the plants could possibly recover
>>2889002They also dont consider that a 24' wide fire road provides both access for firefighters and their equipment (who could have guessed?) and also that it creates a fire break that can significantly slow or stop the spread of fires before they become unmanageable.Coincidentally the area where this debacle went down is in essentially the same area where state and federal arson investigators are focusing on a likely point of origin for the current fire.
>>2887922This wouldn't happen if:1. You let the fires burn once in a while2. You didn't have so many people, which leads to an increase in retardation3. You didn't just suck as a state
>>2888058building codes were originally relaxed to allow wood lol
>>2887922What I want to know is how some houses survived barley damaged while everything else around burned down. Like what did they do to this wood that made it fire resistant? I'd think that this would go up in flames easily by the looks of it, but it's still there while the one behind and on one side burned completely.
>>2888298Anyone heard/seen how strong these were compared to historical?Probability every 1000 years?100 years?10?2?
>>2888389>Chaparral habitats are known for their fierce periodical wildfires, and like other chaparral flora, chamise dries out, burns, and recovers quickly to thrive once againFucking immolates its competitionNothing personal, kid
>>2889632Like 2/1. It wasn't even bad desu. This 9snt some oh my Gerd climate change. This was 100% normal California weather. It just happened to catch fire while it was windy
