>PBJ TEACORE BLACK EDITION>>Previous thread>>18303171Discussion of selvedge denim and work wear autism general.
>>18310088Fades
1955 Ironheart restock never.
>>18310152Don't say that
After and before first wash of Red Tornado WWIIs. Fly button fades coming in nicely toobz.
>>18310152Take the 634 pill. Wearing mine here >>18310071 and after <48 hours they're very comfy despite the lower rise. Just need the fabric to soften up and they'll be perfect
>>18310166aren't those womens jeans tho? they fit you really weird
>>18310178IH doesn't do women's cuts. These are based on a 60s 501 and they look 'weird' because they're 21oz and new so they're still standing on their own
>>18310163How are they holding up? I'm super leary about buying Aliexpress selvedge but the price is hard to beat and I like the pics I've seen online. Especially of those WWII repros and the 55501.
>>18310166Are those the super black or overdyed black? I've been wanting a pair in super black but they've been out of stock in my size for ages.
>>18310258Honestly they might be the nicest jeans I've ever owned aside from maybe the pure Blue Japans I had back when tapered jeans were all I cared about. There's lots of attention to detail on these things and the denim feels really nice and hairy even after a wash, they were soft right from the get go.
>>18310260Overdye. Grabbed them from Self Edge and also tried the 633 SBG while I was there. They're too slim for me, but may be an option if you want SBG as quickly as possible
>>18310264I like the measurements on the 634 better. I'm a patient man but good lord do I fucking wish they'd hurry the hell up.
>>18310264You a Portland resident?
>>18310088why do youtubers always tell you you should never wear jeans like this? stacking? oh not allowed. rolls? maybe BUT. then they talk about all this break shit.
>>18310283Youtubers farm your attention, nothing they say matters. They just make any video that they can possibly make.
>>18310283If you are referring to Stridewise, immediately unsubscribe. Can’t stand that retarded faggot. Dude is so eternally millennial coded, it’s hard to watch. He has a large ass and thighs but he refuses to wear anything but slim tapered jeans with the cuffs resting above the boot ankle. His body is built for 1940s repros, but he refuses to ever wear straight cuts. Stridewise is literally the last person anybody should take fashion advice from. There’s no “wrong” way to wear your jeans as long as you’re within reason and you’re wearing a cut that actually fits you well. Want to single or double cuff? That’s fine, just make sure not to have a cuff thickness greater than 1.5” and that they aren’t cuffed any higher than the top of your ankle. Want to stack? That’s great, do it. Most things work as long as you’re not getting to the extremes, i.e. triple/quad cuff
>>18310263>Honestly they might be the nicest jeansHow long did yours take to arrive? I'm thinking of buying a pair of the 14oz "snowy" jeans through an eBay seller so in case I get screwed it will be easier to get my money back.Anyone have any experience with Japan Blue jeans? I'm looking for a pair of black jeans and I found these, they're pretty cheap ordering direct from Japan.https://bears-tokyo.myshopify.com/products/japan-blue-jeans-circle-j514-14oz-black-denim-loose-straight
I got a Indigo Sashiko garment from Rogue Territory a few weeks ago, and it bleeds on EVERYTHING. will I miss it up if I soak it in just some cold water in my bath tub and rinse it a few times? I have OCD and I worry about it staining something of mine permanently, which I see no charm in. thanks
>autists going crazy for a pair of $$$ selvedgeKek. Just buy some vintage Levi's next time.
Can't wait for this coat to get here, 26+ oz wool
>>18310329Looks nice. I bought an old Pendleton coat like that.
>>18310329You'll look like a braindead larping fag like in all your pictures.
>>18310338Larping as what? Someone that doesn’t live in a city and hates city fags?>>18310329Who makes the jacket?
>>18310341>Who makes the jacket?Thomas Farthing
>>18310338>l-l-l-larpingIt's just a chore coat, they're pretty easy to style
>>18310364>the actually good vintage levi's go for tens of thousands of dollars anonIn fact I mean the cheap one.
i wore my Iron Hearts (TM) to work today
>>18310365those ones are straight ass.
well actually tbf 70s and 80s vintage levis are good for the price. chrome hearts showed with a bit of tailoring you can make cool jeans out of the less valued stuff. straight ass is harsh they don't do it for me like denim nerd jeans do but they're a lot better than you can buy at the brick mortar store irl today in most cities.
>>18310092those look great
dude at the skatepark today complemented my red tornado jacket
>>18310163How do the back pockets sit on the seat? Are they high or encroaching onto the thigh?
>>18310295Took maybe two/three weeks
>>18310461They are meant to be reproductions of the warehouse s1000xx so they don't have a super high wide set pair of back pockets like leepros or wranglers. I'm wearing them now and running my hands all over my enormous, prodigious millenial butt and I can say the bottom of the pocket just sensuously grazes the crease where my (GIGANTIC, thanks coach rip) butt ends and my thigh begins.
Scored Real Mccoy's 966 for 145$. Allegedly "worn just once".
>>18310597Forgot pic. I found them on grailed
Why do some brands have their own retarded sizing names and terms instead of just saying shit like " mid rise regular straight tapered fit"
>>18310603Because fit is much more than those things. Same reason leather shoemakers have lasts with names rather than saying "narrow with rounded toe box". And they all do it, they will just give them a code name like 501 instead but the meaning is the same.
>>18310603You make a good point. How the fuck is "the Andrew pant" supposed to fit. >>18310622This is a great counterpoint. Thank you.
>>18310622Which would be nice and dandy if they didn't change the fit while keeping the name every few years.I mean, I could understand it in the case of the 501 since the model name is so very well established. Nobody cares what Lee's Luke jeans are, or Wrangler's Greensboro.As a side note and speaking of Lee, I'm having a hard time finding specifics about the different 101 models. Does anyone know how the 101 S, T, or L fit?
>>18310570.. cool
>ordered from Bronson>Used size guide>Purchased Got an email that said they recommend taking a size up from what you think you need so they offered to size everything in the order up by one. That was pretty nice of them. Yes i am a chunky american
>>18310183Why is it that most brands do heavyweight denim once and never again?
>>18310650Did that answer your question?
>>18310459(S)He just wanted to peg you
>>18310447Sashiko?
>>18310603>sits above teh waste>sits below teh waist but above your benisBitch, just say high rise, mid rise, low rise.
>>18310663The fabric is harder to source and it's harder to maintain good QC with thicker fabric. Also puts extra wear and tear on all the equipment.But there are brands that do it regularly. IH is the most famous, but Strike Gold and Samurai routinely release 20+ oz jeans. On the western front, N&F does an annual heavyweight release and iirc Brave Star does pairs from time to time.
If I can distract you from japanese denim for a minute, I found these NOS jeans and couldn't resist getting them.They were made in the 70s in Spain. Beleive it or not, Spain used to manufacture and export denim up until the late 90s to early 00s. Levis Europe sourced denim from Spain and some models were manufactured there. Some of the producers also launched their own brands marketed unofficialy as like Levis but cheaper, imitating the cuts and styles.These jeans still have the original tags. They retailed for 2500 pesetas which would be akin to 15-20€ today. Levis would retail for 3000 pesetas back in the day.They're made of 12oz denim which is quite light and soft. The cut is a mid to high rise, slim leg slightly flaring from the knee down. They also have a factory crease in the from and back, so these would have been dressier, "going to town" jeans, so to speak.The overall fit is similar to my Wranglers 936 but they're way tighter, they didn't vanity sized back in the day for sure.They're too long for me. I'm not sure if I should hem them right away. Also I'm kind of hesitant to remove the tags and wear them because even if they have zero collector's value, I'm tempted to keep them pristine for a while.I need to lose weight, anyway, so maybe I will wait until they fit me better to decide what I wanna do with them.
Detail on the weft. They are not selvedge.
>>18310720For all the seat specialists in the thread can you post the back of the jeans.
Samurai store in Osaka was one of the nicest stores I've been to, would definitely recommend for anyone in the area.A lot nicer than the Iron Heart store although I didnt get to go to the one in Tokyo
>>18310723I just got out of home. Will post more pics later if I have the time, or maybe tomorrow if someone's curious.
>>18310738I know we have at least one ass-man in the thread just dying to know.
>>18310719>>18310720The fabric on it looks really thin. What is it like 8oz?
>>18310743He said right in the post that it's 12oz.
>>18310745His reddit typing is annoying, so I didn't read it.
>>18310743Says 12oz on the tag. They're roughly as thick as my lvc 12oz jeans. To my knowledge, back in those days 12oz were the lightweight jeans, it wasn't until the 90s when the 8-10oz became the standard.Boomers actually welcomed the lighter, comfier out of the rack jeans back in those days.
>>18310752You are so epic.
>>18310752Don't comment, then.>reddit out of the blueAnother mindbroken retard.
>>18310752What reddit typing? Reddit typing is double spaced. Do you mean paragraphs? Is your mind actually so poisoned that correct grammer stands out as Reddit to you?
>>18310752Based sigma male>>18310756>>18310760>>18310765Seething troons
>>18310772>selfhating troon janny samefagging
>>18310765I don't phone post, so it all looks like one wall of text to me, with each paragraph in its own line. And no, that's not how paragraphs work. It's more like how people type text messages. The first 4 lines in that post didn't need to be in their separate "paragraphs". They're talking about the same thing. You switch to a different paragraph when you deviate to a different line of thought or topic. Typing it like bullet points (with a dash or an asterisk at the beginning) might make it more legible.
>>18310786Reddit: the post
>>18310788Yes, akshully'd and I'm proud.
Guys guys guys can we get back to talking about which type of jeans pocket most cups the male ass?
>>18310786being angry at this is a waste of time
>>18310088>>18310092>brown coreLooks kinda neat in the pictures but I wonder what that brown crotch and ass patina looks like in real life lel. Not sure I'd want to be walking around like that
>>18310719>>18310720very cool find anon.>>18310786reddit spacing is when people double line break their posts. single line breaking is not reddit spacing if you posted like that on reddit the line breaks wouldn't work. hope this helps. t. actual oldfag.
>>18310570 I’d love to get a visual on how they wear from behind, just to see exactly how those pockets line up with the "prodigious millennial butt" in action. If you could snap a shot that highlights how the back pockets rest right at that crease, it would really help show off the silhouette.
>>18310772Based>>18310777Gay>>18310786Based again
>>18310088I want to build a new wardrobe and buy new jeans. Is Levis good?
>>18310959Thanks. Here's a pic of the back pockets. Big enough to fit a pack of smokes and a cheap lighter but not much else. Construction is a bit lacking and the orange detail is reminiscent of workwear, while the cut is clearly not meant for that.
>>18310982Those are very cool, let us know how they fit/wear. Kind of look a bit like those vintage leepros that one guy keeps posting
>>18310982cool details like the offset rear belt loop(s) and yeah between the pocket shape and bar tacks i'm getting very lee-esque vibes. nice pocket size and placement too. high and small like cowboy jeans but not as far apart.
>>18310833Wait, black jeans are a brown people thing?
And next to my rigid indigo 13mwzs. The back seam and the pocket position is similar but the Wranglers have a better cut. The color is close but the Grins are slightly darker and not as blueberryish as the Wranglets. It is my understanding that this lighter shade of indigo was popular in the 60's and 70's.Overall I'd say these were meant for skinny bodies. Judging from photos of the 70's I'd say most people were pretty slim. Guess bad nutrition and heroin would do that to you.Also, these were meant to be cheap jeans for people who couldn't or wouldn't get anything better.
>>18310963Feast your eyes and take a good hard look. You can see the right hand pocket sitting just north of the graceful sweep of my right buttock. And this also shows off the hairiness I was mentioning.
>>18310981skip levi's and go for tcb jeans or japan blue or sugar cane all can be had for around $150.if you're on a budget get these >>18310163 or wrangler 13mwz's>>18310993he means the core of the thread is dyed brown leading to those dirty color fades not that the jeans are "brown-core"confusing i know. >>18310994definitely was i dumped a bunch of pics of vintage denim in another thread starting here https://warosu.org/fa/thread/18303485#p18303771
>>18310990They fit pretty close but not quite as good as 936s. They cusp the butt pretty nicely, but I wish they'd be a tad higher on the back rise.>>18310992These were cheap jeans with people like picrel as the target audience.
>>18311000mmmm yeeeesfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap
>>18310752Absolutely based.
>>18311001Whats the problem with levis jeans?
>>18311007Look don't try and claw back some credibility at this late stage.
>>18311008New Levi's aren't that good. Very inconsistent sizing and as any of the guys in this thread can tell you, the rear pocket placement isn't flattering.
>>18311008modern levi's cuts are mostly designed for 56% and reddit skinnyfat physiques so if you're actually a normal looking human being not a mutant they look bad on you. pic related.there's a few issues with the modern cuts on a normal human body:- rear pockets way too large for accomodating xxl tablet phone- rear pockets are placed very low basically on your leg at this point- front and rear rise is too low to look good, to slip under a 56% gunt for comfort- the upper block no longer tapers even the skinny cut jeans are shaped for a guy with a gut and love handlesthey do all this basically to streamline a fat guy's gut into his thigh and so he can comfortably carry around his ipad. whenever you see celebs in levi's its always a vintage pair and or heavily tailored or a reproduction jap pair for a reason. the only reason you don't see them in repro more is because they have the money to buy vintage but not the time to fade their own shit.
>>18311000Truly a sight to behold, the way that pocket sits just above the curve really does highlight the fit. This might just have convinced me that I need to get myself into a pair.
>>18311027I should up president xi and see if he'll cut me a check for what my tuckus is doing for chinese textile concerns.
>>18311012>>18311011What are good vintage jeans brands? Always thought levis is number one
>>18311033Wrangler and Lee
>>18310570Do they use vintage shuttle looms? I thought what separates nip denim from the rest are the shuttle looks they bought from Americans after ww2 when the Jews began their takeover of America.
>>18311126red tornado (and a lot of non japanese asian brands) buy their denim from japan then construct it in china. that's virgin loomstate shuttle loomed denim, the good stuff. only real corner cut with those red tornadoes is they steal patterns from other brands. which is what repro brands do anyways they just also do it with modern cuts. for instance with their ww2 jeans instead of cutting up a vintage relic pair of levi's they copied the measurements from a brand that already did. i don't see a problem i think that stuff should be open source so less pairs of jeans have to be cut up by the industry anyways.there are a few shuttle looms operating outside of japan that make good denim. i know of mills making decent stuff operating in china and india. just not nearly as many of them its a lot more expensive to operate and maintain them outside of japan because parts and its a lot harder to find people in those countries who know how to operate and maintain them but they exist somewhat.here's an example of india milled shuttle loomed raw denim:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkgdLGiRKzYi have a pair in my collection somewhere similar to that made from shuttle loomed denim from india you'd probably never tell they're not japanese if i didn't tell you.
how is the fit on roundhouse pants compared to carhartt or wrangler?
Kojima jeans 21oz jap selvage for $120 on bears Tokyohttps://bears-tokyo.myshopify.com/products/kojima-genes-rnb-1391-15th-anniversary-model-21oz-selvedge-vintage-jeans
>>18311012woke bullshit 0/10fashion fail
>>18310680nope, slubby
I don't care about the fancy fashion aspects of selvedge or raw denim, I only want a pair of jeans that will be extra sturdy. I like the cut of Levis 501s, what should I buy?Currently have a pair of Levi's Shrink to Fit 501s, which are decent, but fell apart in less than a year of use. Is there anything that will be better bang for my buck than those?
>>18311234Red tornado off AliExpress Check the measurement chart and compare to a apir of jeans you own. $65 for high quality heavyweight denim.https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2255800942770603.html?These are shrink to fit like your 501s but they also sell different preshrunk models
Speaking of red tornado they have a natural indigo model up for $150Rope dyed, xinjiang slave cotton, nice high rise/relaxed fithttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/2255800942770603.html?
>>18311234tl;dr:best 5 pocket working man's jeans fit to price ratio = red tornadosecond best = rustler, round house, and wrangler cowboy cut line & similar brands to these. old blues prison blues etc. the brands they have at tractor supply and western stores. these jeans are a bit cheaper but the fits will be slimmer and sweatier to work in. best non-5 pocket denim pants, overalls, painters, etc = round house for everything. carhartt used to be the go-to but they became a fashion brand in 2018. explanation:jeans before ww2 were designed strictly for work, jeans after ww2 are more designed for fashion. modern work pants and jeans fits take too many design cues from fashion/movies and aren't really practical in design imo. or they rely on spandex which makes them sweaty and ass to wear on outdoor jobs imo. red tornado sells the cheapest pre ww2 repro fits you can get and they're one of the only brands (along with evisu and iron heart both of which are a lot more expensive) who make old school working man's fits like that but with much stronger modern polyester thread. having a nice tall rise and wide leg just makes your life better. i've done hard manual labor my whole life its just worth a few bucks to feel less restricted and sweaty all day simple as. especially outdoor jobs roofs and stuff that sucks ass like that. >>18311242red tornado ww2 fit, 55501, and the blacksmith jeans are all great working man's fits. the blacksmith jeans are copied off some jap brand that does early 1900s inspired stuff, not a rando chink design. they probably have some other good fits too i just like those ones.
>>18311234>extra sturdy>repro fitsoh also bro both of us neglected to tell you but you want to size up on these not go tts. even if you're a skinny dude. 40's fits i would go +1-2 sizes in the waist, 30's and older fits i would go more like +2-3.you got a belt on at the job anyways. just makes the leg looser and nicer to work in. men didn't really wear jeans tts until hollywood popularized it in the late 50s to 60s. if you look at old photos of dudes on farms or w/e its all upsized.30's fits and older with the back buckle can be upsized a bit more and look normal.
>>18311234oh also denim fatigues make great work pants. like these 1930's CCC denim fatigues. if you're a short guy bronson has a few variants of them for like 50-100bux but if you need longer inseams there isn't really any good denim fatigue option i know of. they tend to fit a lot wider in the leg than normal jeans and they have large utility in the pockets in the front which you might prefer for some trades but hate for others. they basically fit like ww2 or vietnam fatigue pants but made of denim. you can also commonly find them in white herringbone (naval model) for painters.
>>18311242Great, will check these out.>>18311261Excellent writeup anon, I'm in the same boat.
the historic photos ive been posting are the denim CCC fatigues btw. for fit example. obviously upsized.
>>18311246>xinjiang slave cottonIs it weird that this makes me want them more? It's like it's forbidden fruit, it makes them so much more tantalizing. Is that fucked up?
>>18310295>red tornado snowy nepnot the best pics but my schizoid brain memory reminded me i saw some some 5mo fades progression on those on reddit:https://old.reddit.com/r/rawdenim/comments/121vzxc/red_tornado_snowy_nep_jeans_and_chore_jacket_5/someone posted a 1 year fade somewhere else i think carousell or superdenim but google is too trash to find it.
>>18311276its extra long staple, almost as good as zimbabwean cotton.
>>18311188Damn is there something Kojima can't do?
>>18311151>red tornado (and a lot of non japanese asian brands) buy their denim from japan then construct it in china.actually i should say: they claim this but i think they're full of shit. i think they have their own shuttle looms and make it in house in china. you can totally make a pair of jeans and price them $50 out of japanese denim. indonesian brands do it all the time and they're quite popular in southeast asia where you don't have to pay absurd shipping for them. but red tornado using xinjiang cotton leads me to believe they're more likely to just mill it themselves in house than the japanese would be inclined to break the law and import the cotton to mill it for them. not that that's a bad thing. xinjiang cotton is god tier. and for what its worth there's a guy on reddit who has the red tornado ww2 jeans and a pair of warehouse s1000x who said he was surprised how similarly the two fabrics aged. no url just remember the post.
The whole Uyghur thing is anti-communist agitprop by ameriburger capitalist running dogs anyway.
>>18311242>>18311246I am too tall for the based Chinese jeans
>>18311355That's impossible nobody has a lo ger inseam than 32 inches.
I've found a pair of Dior jeans made in Japan for 50 bucks.Only lightly used, honestly they're beautiful. Cop or not?
>>18311378Those were classics back in the day, buy them and do the whole indie sleaze thing. Move to Brooklyn.
Do nudie make the worst most swagless rawjawnz of all time?
>>18311390Uhm what's the whole indie sleaze thing?
>>18311391They look great to me.
>>18311392Dressing like you're in the strokes.>>18311393That one's tapered, I'd like to see them from the knee down. But it does look like they do some nicer fits than the ghastly slim fit stuff I associate with them.
>>18311395>Dressing like you're in the strokes.I'm not American so I don't know what you mean.
Speaking of raw selvedge denim, when I look at pictures I always find myself preferring the made in USA models than the Japanese ones. Why are people so fond of the made in Japan when on average it actually looks worse? (t. not American)
>>18311398The band the strokes, they were huge globewide don't pretend like you're so above this, the bands in your country probably all have accordion players in them or some shit.
>>18311188I have a pair of their sashiko jeans that I like. I don’t think I need a thick pair or else I’d buy.
>>18311398>t. Not american eitherDamm, now I want to lean into indie sleaze for old times' sake.
>>18311395>That one's tapered, I'd like to see them from the knee down. But it does look like they do some nicer fits than the ghastly slim fit stuff I associate with them.They also offer wider fits.
Should I cop?https://loyalstricklin.com/products/denim-tpr-fit-15oz-kuroki-slub-indigo-selvedge
>>18311504>https://loyalstricklin.com/products/denim-tpr-fit-15oz-kuroki-slub-indigo-selvedgenever heard of the brand but if they're decent then it looks like a good deal for normal jeans
>>18310316Just cold wash it it's fine
>>18311242Do those shrink a lot?
just WHY
>>18311706To subvert your expectations.
>>18311500Yes that's what I said
>>18311504Go for it. Sounds fine. But still would probably prefer sugarcane for that price
>>18310166I’m the other s3000 anon. You convinced me to take the 634 pill, just ordered in the 21 oz overdyed black. I went to Self Edge yesterday to try it on. My typical size 34 was a bit too tight, the size 36 a bit too big in the waist, so I had to order a 35 from the IH website, should be perfect. Been thinking about waiting for the 1955 restock, but I don’t really give a fuck at this point. Mid rise jeans fit me probably better than anything, and the 21 oz overdyed black is hands down my favorite denim of theirs. Even though the 634 will fit me just a tad more slim compared to the samurai s3000, it still is going to fit like an actual straight cut, whereas the 888 fit me like a slim cut. Been dying to find a pair of IH that actually fit me well. Their denim and details are so hard to beat
Thinking about buying a pair of Oni
>>18311774Get their 20 oz secret denim. The greencast in that denim is gorgeous
>>18311788Yea its so nice, one of my favorite denim fabrics. The crushed concrete is cool if you want something way out there, and same with the 20 oz asphalt if they ever make those again.
>>18311770Hell yeah brother. Mine have stretched so much in just a few days it's unreal. I may end up picking up a 1955 OD at some point in the future, but I've lost enough leg size that 888s kind of work for me again so it's not pressing.Are you having IH hem yours?
Been wearing my brand new linen denim jeans from Gustin. Linen is an interesting material for jeans, kinda wish it was a little more common for hot weather jeans
>>18311774>>18311788I wanted to get their secret denim but was sold out in every store I went to in Tokyo. Maybe one day. >>18311770I ended up with the samurai s3000vii along with some other items like kapital century denim and mud dyed sashika from sda
>>18311801>but I've lost enough leg sizeAre you just doing cardio these days? >Are you having IH hem yours?I'm going to bring them to Self Edge for a hem. I highly prefer just having them measure me in person so I know its going to be right. Having a hard time deciding whether I should hem for a single or double cuff>>18311804You can get a pair off Rakuten for like $198. When ordering from Rakuten, I usually use Buyee as a proxy. Last time I used it, I got my Samurai s3000 for $200 with the addition of about $38 for shipping. When they shipped it from their warehouse, it arrived at my place in Washington state in literally 2 days. https://item.rakuten.co.jp/jeansfirst/oni-288zr-ecru/https://item.rakuten.co.jp/jeansfirst/oni-622zr-ecru/
>>18311835Thanks fren. But I have three nice pairs of blue jeans three nice pairs of khaki jeans, gray jeans, and two pairs of sashiko denim now ( mud and blue). If I were to get another pair of pants it would likely be a natural green dyed but I’m not really on the market for them either.
>>18311835>>18311835>Are you just doing cardio these days?No, I just put most of my effort into upper body. For legs I do 531 second set last, so two ramp up sets, one AMRAP top set, and then 3x5 back off sets at the weight of my second ramp up. Then I do biceps and curls bc arms are the legs of the upper body. So it's really just 2 hard sets of lower body work per week.And yeah I'm doing either a Tokyo turn-up or giant single cuff for now. I may wash them this weekend to take them back down to SE and get them hemmed. Just wanted to see where they settled on my body first.
>>18311770Iron Heart's overdyed black is soooooo nice. Very unique denim, nobody else does it
Yeah that's pretty interesting I too do a back off set of knee raises, followed by 6 sets of rapidly ageing millenial deep thigh bends to failure, calf extensions that's probably 3 sets of 12 followed by blasting my outer tibia on the cable machine that's pretty important and interesting. Oh, not to forget pyramid sets of glute swings, usually with a kettlebell or medicine ball, followed by 2 recovery sets targeting my sartorius and iliac crest. All very important and interesting.
>>18311788Yeah they're gorgeous, but unfortunately they seem to be sold out everywhere.How does that jean compare to the 570-OFBD 13.7oz? I like the fact that this is sulfur-dyed, so that it can allegedly retain the color for longer.It also comes in a high-rise fit, which is exactly what I'm looking for. The weight also sounds fine, I'm not really into super heavy denim.
>>18311954i always hear its glacially slow to fade but the end results actually seem worth it. tends to produce really tasteful non obnoxious high contrast fades.>>18311770a lot of people kneejerk hate anything that isn't high rise because of how ubiquitous wearing jeans off the hips became for a while, but anything that fits so your belt sits over your hip shelf is good in my books. it depends person to person if mid or high rise looks and feels better to wear its not as clear cut as people make it out to be. and it depends person to person what height their hip shelf even is. for me any jeans over 10.5" work but i prefer around 13" cause it looks a bit more chadly on my frame and i usually have my shirt tucked even tees. >>18311706there's a functional reason for that.a lot of brands offset or put the rear loop on diagonal so they're not sewing the belt loop onto the thickest part of the jeans and making it even thicker. its mostly done for comfort reasons. you'll see some brands do their rear belt loop normal on their thinner fabrics and offset it on heavyweight denim as well that's pretty common. >>18311673they are not sanforized so yes. but most listings for them are pre-shrunk at the factory. i think they're sold both ways.just make sure you buy from a listing that says they're 1 wash or pre shrunk. there's no downside if you buy them raw its the first thing you should do to them anyways. makes sizing very easy. they can shrink a bit more after the factory 1 wash but it'll be like half as much as a normal pair of sanforized jeans max. always cold wash hang dry if concerned about shrinkage. you can over-shrink any jeans with the tumble dryer easily.
>>18311673maybe a less confusing way to put it: the fabric shrinks 8%. normal jeans shrink 3%. the factory pre rinsed version of those jeans will have most of the shrink already done to them and 0-2% left.they will have leg twist, skew, puckering and vintage jeans details like that because of this. sanforized jeans never get that. also the texture will be hairy and different because they've never been singed.those figures all assume the jeans are washed cold and hang dried for life. they can be shrunk more as with all twill weave pants.
What’s the opinion on blue owl denim? When I moved to Seattle many years ago I went to the store and the creepy owner and butt slave worker pretty much had me held hostage in the fitting room just handing me jeans to keep on trying and show them. It was a very weird experience and I never went back.
>>18312222Sounds like typical Japanese behavior. Also checked.
>>18312222lol sounds like they are just denim autists. Honestly, blue owl workshop is probably the more overpriced western retailer. Their stock list is great, but I mostly just use it as a reference for cool new purchases to be made directly from Japan instead. For example, they are selling a pair of samurai s520xx for $415 while self edge is selling for $395. I could simply just skip all this shit and proxy one for $200. Don’t get me wrong, it’s probably good to support local businesses, but it’s really hard to continue buying shit from these western retailers when you can just buy directly from Japan for almost half the price
>>18312258How do you buy jeans from Rakuten? I thought they didn't ship to other countries?
Here’s a reminder for all of you that cowboy cuts are slim tapered >>18312319You have to use a proxy service. I usually use Buyee. You set up an account with them and enter your card info. The website is kind of weird and a bit non-intuitive just so you know. When you are on the Buyee homepage, there’s a tab at the top labeled Rakuten where you can just order stuff from Rakuten via Buyee. Buyee will go buy the jeans for you and have them shipped to their warehouse where you will pay like $40 for international shipping
>>18312332Thanks for the advice!
>>18312335Anytime :)
>companyresident retard
>>18312338Nice butt, shame if it were to make its way into my folder...
>>18312332every size, color, and model of "cowboy cut" or 13mwz has a different taper and fit, they're fucking out of control with that shit.
>>18312338What are the specifics on those pants? very similar build, they look great! Levi’s 513’s I think come damn close to those and I get a ton of compliments. Perfect slim straight fit for me.
>>18312492It’s just a cowboy cut size 33. I haven’t bothered measuring them. Honestly, I don’t really like them. They fit too slim for my taste. Awesome jeans regardless. Been using them for work for the last 2 years and they have not had any blowouts. I think I’m just going to get another in size 34 so that the legs are a tad bit larger
>>18312239Kek, my experience in Japan too. But would be weirded out if it was seattle. I like Kapital denim in Japan because it was a cute nip sizing me up.
>>18312351Would be ashamed if I anally rape you if you catch my drift
>>18312522Don't threaten me with a good time sugar
>>18312527The only sugar you’ll be getting is literally my cum in your asshole, if you catch my drift
>>18312448The raw 13mwz is the only real cowboy cut. The sizing for those is relatively consistent. Everything else, the stretch ones and ones with shitty fake fades are fashion shit.
>>18312532your drift sounds gay
>>18312555The Blue Bell model counts too
Are there legit vintage accurate cowboy cuts out there? Doesn’t TCB make one? What else should I look for? Do they make them in selvedge?
>>18312568There are a ton of wrangler branded repros made in Japan by EdwinLet me dig up some links
>>18312568>>18312577Search wrangler archives on rakuten, tons of different models and years available. And yeah TCB did a cool one.https://item.rakuten.co.jp/edwinshop/wm1151_0001/https://item.rakuten.co.jp/three-eight/wrangler-wm1110-89/https://item.rakuten.co.jp/jeans-neshi/wm1064/Get your blueberry onhttps://item.rakuten.co.jp/americaya/wm1151-89/
>>18312581Find me these but in black.
aside from workboots what are some good shoes that go with workwear? because it is kind of lame wearing my workboots literally every time i go out
>>18312555>Everything else, the stretch ones and ones with shitty fake fades are fashion shit.lolno. the wrangler cowboy cut 945 boot jean is 13mwz with a wider leg opening.936den was made out of necessity because the 14mwz women's model looked better than 13mwz on tall lanky guys. it exists for a body type not yours. theres guys it fits like a normal ass straight cut on. 935nav is 936den that fits over boots14mwz is womens cowboy cutetc all the models have a purpose for existingits the non cowboy cut line jeans to ignore.
>>18312332>Here’s a reminder for all of you that cowboy cuts are slim tapered depending on how you size them. if you upsize like me they fit more similar to a repro straight cut.most repro jeans are honestly slim straights if you don't upsize. that's why the common advice on sufu and repro communities is never tts. tts, tight in the thigh and seat is the 'proper' cowboy fit of course. >>18312222i haven't been there in years and years but i used to shoot the shit for hours with the owner all the time back when he was running it out of his apartment and getting off the ground. he's just a huge nerd bro. i'm not a huge fan of the jeans they stock bc its mostly too slim for me but they have a great curated selection of non denim shit.>>18312258i dont have a problem paying stockist markup if i'm shopping there irl trying their jeans on etc. my momma used to have a boutique i know why the stockist markup exists. you're paying for the curation. fuck paying it online though yeah. >but it’s really hard to continue buying shit from these western retailers when you can just buy directly from Japana large part of the price diff is out of their control. these stockists can't bullshit the value of the jeans on import like the retailers like bears and hinoya do. the only reason those sites don't cost $50 shipping per pair is they lie to the government and say your jeans youre buying are like $10. government doesn't let foreigners get away with that shit as much.
Is the color here very similar? It's not easy to tell from the photos I find. I like both and I might be compelled to make a choice.
>>18312653Forgot to mention:One is the Oni 570-OFBD "Old Fade Blue" 13.7oz Straight FitThe other is Left Field NYC Greaser Mt. Vernon 70's Rodeo Blue Denim
>>18312638>you're paying for the curationAgreed. If I ever go to self edge or blue owl in person, I'll usually just purchase something in person because of the services they provide and the fact that there's an indispensable value to being able to try the clothes on in person. That said, I have a very good size chart for myself and can purchase anything from japan with confidence that it will be a perfect fit. I rarely go to these shops in person anymore for anything other than getting my jeans hemmed
>>18312653not quite.they're both dyed by slightly dying them with sulfur then dying them with redcast (synthetic) indigo with about half the normal dips of dye as a typical pair of raws.they were made with the same process but onis were sulfur dyed a little harder. so they're a bit more greencast in tone. i like dye jobs like these, its very similar to natural indigo/vintage jeans but with less and a narrower spectrum of yellow tones. they age and fade well.
>>18312653In my experience Left Fields photos are a little brighter than real life
>>18312663being able to try on tees, sweaters, etc is so useful i can't order those blind off size charts the same way i can with jeans i'm too picky so the markup is well worth the try on. but once i know a brand works for me i know a brand works for me.
>>18312697this. i think the brightness difference is just photography. but the left fields do look less greencast / slightly diff tone than the onis. probably pre-dyed with a little weaker of a sulfide solution.
>>18312696>>18312697>>18312699I'm utterly undecided frens. I love both the brands but my mind tends to lean towards the Oni because the green-ish shade is mind-blowing and I'm confident that the sulfur will keep the color stable for longer. There's no mention of sulfur dying for the Left Field.
>>18312698Actually thats a good point. Most guys can try on a pair of 40s-60s 501 repros and have them fit as long as they get the waist right. T shirts are WAY harder to fit. There's just so much more variation with t shirt cuts and upper body dimensions. I got duped with the Merz B Schwanen 215 meme. Ordered one and although it fits me well, I ended up just going to Self Edge to try on a Buzz Rickson plain white tee to find out that it is literally perfect for my upper body. Second preference for tees are the Strike Gold loopwheel tees.
>>18312239>>18312508So nips like westerners who buy jeans? I jear they don't like Americans much in general.
>>18312716Oni is a lot higher end right? I would bet the fabric is a bit nicer
>>18312732They don't like anyone except for those bits of culture they can comprehend and imitate.
>>18312735Yeah I guess it would be ironic if Japanese denim heads hated westerners since denim is literally our culture.
>>18312734It is, yes. Money is not an issue, I only hope the fabric is durable and has that same color seen in the pictures.
just curious if any other denim bros are into garment dyed stuff because of the similarity in how it fades with age and wear. techwear/outdoors clothes are just as big of a part of my life as workwear. i really like cp company and stone island, i feel like you get similar value to high end jap denim and their color selections are beautiful. picrel a nylon jacket that convincingly looks like heavy cotton canvas.
>>18312762>plasticDon't care
>>18312716>I'm confident that the sulfur will keep the color stable for longerthey're both greencast (dyed with sulfur) the onis are just more greencast. higher concentration when they got sulfur dyed. >There's no mention of sulfur dying for the Left Field.its the only way to make that color.
>>18312763they have nylons that biodegrade now, not that that jacket is made of them. and nylon doesn't have bpa or endocrine disruptors. why do i always get the vibe microplastic guys flooked out of chemistry?
>>18312763based>>18312769didn't read
>>18312769>they have nylons that biodegrade nowno they don't> nylon doesn't have bpa or endocrine disruptorseven if that's true all microplasics are bad and they can be absorbed through your skinYou can go wear your non breathable landfill waste if you want. You'll never convince me
>>18312775whats up with the non breathable part? you can weave nylon in way way more breathable arrangements than cotton.nylon isn't nearly as bad as polyester but yeah they're both bad for the environment.>no they don'tnylon-4
>>18312782>you can weave nylon in way way more breathable arrangements than cotton.wow now imagine you use those fancy weaves and make them out of a material that's inherently breathable. >nylon-4nobody has actually proven it biodegrades in natural environments. Only that it does in specific lab controlled environments. Same shit with PLA. Overall there's no reason for it unless you're going to an extreme cold weather environment. How stupid do you have to be to to go out of your way to look for "breathable" nylon when something way better already existed
>>18312762I have a soft spot for the football casual look so I like and own both. Stone Island used to be indestructable but quality has apparently taken a nosedive since they started targeting the nigger/streetwear crowd. Only archival pieces from now on I guess.
You guys see Wranglestar denim collection? All Iron Heart
>>18312836I actually met him and his wife randomly in self edge before Christmas last year. Honestly a really genuine dude. I was wearing my 22 oz overdyed black type III and he said he was very jealous i owned it. Told him I grew up in Wisconsin and he said the nicest people in the US live there. Cody gets too much hate. The guy is living the absolute dream right now, people just be jealous of him
>>18312838>The guy is living the absolute dream... and that would be?
>>18312775>>18312782>nylon isn't nearly as bad as polyesterHow do they differ in terms of effects on our health?
>>18312864Getting paid for wearing clothes on yt
>>18312210>>18312212So if I get unwashed I should size up, whereas if I get one wash, true to size, right? Is it necessary or advisable to soak your jeans if they're one wash?
>>18312872Doesn't sound like high self-realization
>>18312874also interested in this
>>18312864>>18312875>”people hate Wranglerstar because he is legitimately winning at life”>”errrmmm actually”Oh, the irony. Kys
So, what's the best Left Field NYC model (in your opinion)?
>>18313002I like their black greasers
>>18310088What are those shoes?
>>18312793>wow now imagine you use those fancy weaves and make them out of a material that's inherently breathable. you can't.>nobody has actually proven it biodegrades in natural environments. Only that it does in specific lab controlled environments. Same shit with PLA. Overall there's no reason for it unless you're going to an extreme cold weather environment. How stupid do you have to be to to go out of your way to look for "breathable" nylon when something way better already existedyou read ai generated bullshit on a random dentist from texas's website. thanks google. try an actual study next time:>The BOD biodegradability of the nylon 4 film was approximately 80% after 25 days of incubation in seawater.>>18312838i like how he just flat out made a video saying he gets 4x the views when he pretends to be crazy or rage baits wokeys so he's going to make content like that now. and people still think he's serious when he posts shit like the grounded bed saga or walking through portland in body armor. the anti wranglerstar reddit board used to be hilarious. i asked what the deep lore is once on there in a thread where they were trying to doxx his old homestead and why they hate him so much... it really doesn't go beyond "he's conservative and his channel is popular" and half of them are so stupid they don't know he's trolling.
>>18312769>there isn't any bpa in it anymore so it's safe!>even if there is a little it's a tiny amount>ok maybe there's just as much as before but we didn't put it in there on purpose, it's BPA-NI!>Ok maybe we did put it in there on purpose but we changed the name to BPS so just shut up and consume, goy
>>18313147Alden 403
>>18313205anon if you're trying to help your cause making it clear you have no idea what you're talking about isn't the way about it. >bpa-ni>bpsyou're talking about dye fixing agents you fucking moron that's part of the dying process not part of nylon production. nylon doesn't have bpa, bpa-ni, bps, phthalates etc.its as stupid as trying to say nylon contains pfas, because some brands treat their nylon with pfas, and acting like its an inherent trait of the fiber.cmon man really makes me think you microplastic guys smoked too much pot instead of turning in your chem homework.
>>18313220>1000€ for shoesLol, lmao even
>>18313241Lmfao I'd say.
>>18313193>it really doesn't go beyond "he's conservative and his channel is popular" and half of them are so stupid they don't know he's trollingPretty much this. If you actually just talk to the guy like a normal person, he genuinely is really cool. I wanted to ask him more questions, but he spent the conversation just asking questions about myself. A self-centered person is not going to do this. If you look at him in the big picture, he actually is living the dream. He doesn't have to work for anyone and he literally just makes his money by working on his homestead and making videos of it. Killing two birds with one stone in that sense.
>>18313245"but anon without the youtube channel he couldn't afford the homestead and he's a nepo baby and"wah so what guy found a way to avoid being a wageslave. they're totally not jealous and seething or anything.
>>18313255Its so pathetic. Its not even just hate coming from leftists. You scroll through some of his comment sections on YT and its a bunch of "tough guy" types who try and shit on him for supposedly not being hard enough to work a "real job". Like bro, the goal in life is not to work as a wage slave for small amounts of shekels. He innovated and found a way to sustain himself while just working on his own property. Its ridiculously smart.
>>18313255>>18313260Personally I'm not jealous of him, because if I had to look at myself and realize that I'm making money by acting like a forced retard or a clown for thousands of people, I'd feel pretty bad. My goal is pretty different from that, I suppose.
>>18313230lmao you're retarded. BPA-NI isn't anything specific, it just means BPA non-intentional, as in it's present but not added on purpose. If you're gonna shill for petrochem at least educate yourself, cunt.
>>18313268i believe you but most people seething are just jealous. when you ask kids what they want to grow up and be, social media clown is #1 by a long shot right now. >>18313274>lmao you're retarded. BPA-NI isn't anything specific, it just means BPA non-intentional, as in it's present but not added on purpose. If you're gonna shill for petrochem at least educate yourself, cunt.i like how you understand bpa-ni means non intentional but you somehow think that means there's bpa-ni in nylon. a material that doesn't contain bpa and bpa isn't a byproduct of the production of. meaning for it to have bpa it would have to be intentionally added as part of a pre-dying process.
>>18313268>Personally I'm not jealous of him, because if I had to look at myself and realize that I'm making money by acting like a forced retard or a clown for thousands of people, I'd feel pretty badHey man, different strokes for different folks. If you want to work for some "Goldberg" or some "-Stein" for small amounts of shekels, I totally understand. Lmao
>>18313280Fucking retard, the point is there are all sorts of similar compounds that do the exact same thing, just because you shills put all the focus on one name in particular means fuck all.
>>18313287so anon most of those are added to harder plastics to soften them. nylon's a soft plastic. hope this helps.
>>18313288lmao
>>18313282I don't live in America so I don't even know what you're talking about.
I'm just not going to buy plastic. It's really that simple
>>18313294Based.
>>18313230so you only wear undyed nylon? No? Wow you're missing the point. There is ALWAYS some negative externality in wearing plastic that has to do with chemical pollution. Even your bio degradable nylon will leach microplastics and dyes into your skin and there is no evidence that it biodegrades on land.
>>18313304most dyed nylon doesn't have it but yeah undyed nylon is actually a huge trend in the outdoors community the last few years. i make a lot of my own gear and i plan to use nothing but undyed going forward.
>>18313304you know there's more than 1 way to dye things right?
>>18313308oh so the north face is going to start dying their plastic with crushed blueberries? How nice
Fullcount 0105xx arrived in the mail this week. So far, this is my favorite pair of repros I’ve worn
>>18313373Look pretty nice... I guess, because pic is kinda shit, desu.Mirin' forearms, though.
>>18313381It’s all about the fit and I really dig the cut and silhouette. You can expect top tier repro denim with Fullcount
>>18313373Heyy it's our guy that got two sizes too big for his Clinches. Jeans looking good bro.
>>18313411Lol just because you won’t let it go, they are literally the same size as all my other footwear. It’s a perfect fit
>>18313415Huge cap. Post a pic of your foot against the underside of the sole.
>>18313494Sour grapes and/or just trolling. You need to have a small amount of extra length in the footbed of all your footwear. If he keeps feeding you with photos, you’re obviously going to be like “ohhh look see?!? I told you the shoes were too big”. His clinch are obviously the right size
>>18313505Why are you speaking bout yourself in the third person?
>>18313415Don’t fall for >>18313494, bro. That’s an obvious ploy to get you into his feet folder.
>>18313507Not him. Was in the boot general when he posted those. They look completely fine. You are sour grapes, kys
>>18313494Damn, sure looks like 2 sizes too bit lmao
>>18313514Going straight to my man feet folder. What are those engineers?
>>18313514Btfo on foot size. But boots are still ugly. What’s up with the sole? And looks spray painted black. I like the shape of them though. Who makes them?
>>18313570They look ugly because the last is goofy and he chose a shitty leather option.
>>18313574I like the last. I don’t like the leather and outsole option. But I’m sure he can rock them. His jeans and flannel look good. And he’s white.
>>18313586Ueah, the last looks pretty cool. Petsonally I'm not a fan of that and similar leathers, but loving the overall shilouette.
>>18310088thoughts on fit of these?
>>18313323not all dyes need fixing agents to be colorfast in nylon and they have newer gen fixing agents that don't have endocrine disruptions.example of one developed to solve this problem: https://www.sarex.com/textile/storage/app/uploads/public/65b/dd8/69c/65bdd869c51b5183645964.pdf
This nylon argument is a perfect example of why I love /fa/. You fuckers are so autistic.
>>18313610Too baggy. Looks like 2001 UFO pants t old guy
>>18313294basedi don't care what the plastic apologists say, i will not wear that shit
>>18313610I'm more interested in those boots. Anyone got a sauce?
>>18313373Thighs look good. Not enough taper in the calfs almost looks like bell bottoms. Gay/10
>chewing tobacco can fade on back pocket
i love all my Iron Heart and Rogue Territory shit to death, but my god I'm sick of the bleeding. I think each day next week I'm going to cold soak a different garment for hours on end. i dont want indigo on my light colored clothing. i don't want indigo on my light colored clothing. maybe i got into the wrong passion.
>>18313730have you washed them yet?
>>18313738>>18313738example, this indigo sashiko jacket I got from RGT. wore it right away, obviously bleeding everywhere. soaked it two nights ago for 20 minutes, no detergent. still bled a bit today.
>>18313730I have a few indigo shirts and jackets. I always make sure to wear darker t shirts when I wear these garments. Save your white tees for non indigo tops
>>18313557Role Clubs>>18313570The sole is Osullivans cork-rubber. Supposed to be very lightweight and good balance of soft and durable. They are in fact extremely comfortable >>18313586The waxed roughout leather starts out with a matte finish. Im kind of stoked to see the roughout start to patina and fray
>>18313570Forgot to mention, they’re Clinch Yeager boots. One day I’m going to manage to get a pair of their horsehide engineers, but they’re like complete unobtainium. Even if you have the money to cough up, they always sell out in less than 2 minutes whenever a retailer puts them on their website
>>18313800They fit the price. The look expensive and nice. Just not my style as far as leather and sole selection.
>>18313743Post the jacket nig nog
This is not a knock on Japanese denim, but the big reason why most brands push Japanese denim is because it's less expensive. Some of the denim brands are selling denim from Japanese brands that have their denim woven in China, which makes it even cheaper. Some beautiful denims are coming out of Japan, but these are the $400 to $500 items. Not the $200 items. Those are probably Japanese mills that are getting the denim woven in China.
>>18313875DropSome NamesNiggerSugarcane are the $200 range but I think they’re Japanese through. Kojima? Also $200 range
>>18313875I don't care about your geopolitical sensitivities, I buy what is sold as japanese denim because it holds up better than denim of unspecified origin. If it actually was woven in china I do not give a shit. I would buy made in DPRK denim if it lasted longer than levi's (though desu just about anything would these days)
>>18313913Anyone have any history on shuttle looms? From what I understand, Jews won ww2 and took everything nice from us for profit. They sold antique shuttle looms and replace them with mass producing looks for profit.
>>18313875Generic statement with a 20% of truth and an 80% bullshit.
>>18313785>he has niceass role clubs and still felt the need to buy these uggo clinchesI feel you bro. Sometimes you're just born and have money and get baited into pointless consumerism. It sucks but it is what it is. I'm about to do the same too.
nice trip to my Minnesota store for the first time today
>>18314126Nice, anon. How much did you spend?
>>18314134$710, the IH shirt was $400 :/
>>18314136Way too much for a shirt, but nice haul anyway.
>have several denim jackets>want a type I and a type II to expand collectionI have no money and I must consoom.
>>18310088I'm building a wardrobe but can't decide which jeans to buy. My budget is around 100€ each. I planned to buy Levi's, but I've seen people not recommending them here. I want 4 pairs of jeans in black, grey, dark wash, and mid-wash colors (4x straight and 4x slim fit).Are Levi's okay? If so, which models would you recommend? I was thinking about the 501 (straight) and 511 (slim fit).
>>18314139Too much for who? For me yes, but so is business class. I only fly business when work pays for it. But for those that can afford it, it is worth it.
>>18314167>euro>budgetwait around and cop a bunch of nudies on sale
>>18314126Niiice. I’m wearing that same t shirt right now. I own a lot of Japan made tees, and that particular one is undoubtedly the beefiest out of all of them, the collar is fucking awesome. It runs pretty long, so I had to take it to the tailor to get it hemmed.
>>18314201Manlet?
>>18314167>8 pairs of jeans
>>18314205I’m 6’1”, but the length of that tee in size XL is like 29.8” which is insanely long. They do that so you can either just tuck the shirt in or get it hemmed to whatever you want. Same concept as most selvedge denim coming with inseam lengths of 35-36”
Just realized that some people own 5 pairs of cheap shitty jeans when they could have bought one pair of good jeans when there's nothing wrong with wearing the same pair often. That's a way better argument to spend more than the insanely retarded cents per wear.
>>18314167Bro, fuck literally all of that. If you are willing to spend around $800-900 total for a bunch of jeans, the obvious better choice is to buy 2-4 pairs of really nice japan-made 501 repros. For one, having 8 pairs of jeans is retarded. You're not going to be able to give the necessary amount of wear into a single pair to make it actually look and feel good. The fades and character you get from a nice pair of repros just completely trumps everything that levis could ever vomit through their abysmal quality control department. On top of that, the vintage 501 cuts that japanese companies reproduce are as perfect as jeans can get. Focus on getting 2-4 pairs of nice repros. Get a couple pairs of regular raw indigo jeans, one of those being a regular 50s-60s straight cut, and the other being a 40s wide cut. For the other pair, get some black jeans. Check out:>Fullcount 1101xx or 0105xx>Sugarcane 1947 (indigo and black denims)>Buzz Rickson WWII model jeans>Iron Heart 634 (21 oz indigo or overdyed black)
>>18314226Interesting, the only Japanese ts I have are Whitesville and they’re boxy. Have you had them for a while now? Can you speak of its durability?
>>18314240Not everyone wants trendy baggy jeans. Let him find his own style. Slim fitting jeans still look good on slim people. Slim fitting jeans do not look good on overweight or muscular people. Baggy jeans do not look on twiggy people. Otherwise I agree, if spending 800 euro bucks he should buy some quality Japanese jeans. Out of your recs, I can vouch for sugarcane. Lurk here. I think someone posted how to get Japanese denim at Japanese prices. Not sure of euro websites.
>>18314167you only need 2 pairs of pants. one pair for work and one for everything else.
>>18314348A 50s/60s 501 repro is not baggy, it’s a standard straight cut. A 40s repro is baggy. He even mentioned the 501 in his original post, so I’m going off that. Also, straight cuts and even wide cuts still look good on skinny people as long as you know how to coordinate the proportions of the rest of your fit. But yeah, slim cuts look horrible on buff or fat guys
>>18314167,some things to consider that I hadn’t before visiting asides from slim vs straight cut are safeonized vs unsafronized, texture vs smooth, consider beige colored jeans, dye types, sashika. Cheap Japanese jeans I can vouch for are sugarcane, kojima, and burgus plis. I’m sure there are others.
Just cold soaked a new pair of Sugarcane 1947s (the all black version). Thank you for reading my blogpost.
>>18314390Post pics faggot
>>18314167i told you to get nudies but i really should have told you what this guy >>18314240 has. get 4-6 pairs of jap jeans instead. you can get them in stone wash or vintage dye jobs and natural indigo like we were posting about right above they're not all dark crispy redcast jeans. >>1831434860's fits are straight up slim fit. 50's tts is pretty slim fit. agree with 'dress to your build & anyone posting generalized fit advice isn't considering there's a fuck load of variance in the human body. whats key is balancing your top and bottom half. not just to your body but also your fit. if i have a thick winter jacket and sweater layered up i'm not reaching for my slimmer jeans. if you have stick || shaped thighs and the rest of you is on the svelte side there's a high chance all jeans of any cut that don't diaper butt on you look good. literally everything from a 6-12"+ leg opening or bell bottoms. anything. congrats pants are easy mode for you. taller and especially high (50%+) leg to torso ratio guys with this leg shape look especially good in slim straights. esp the kind where there's less taper that starts higher in the leg or even zero taper but the whole leg is slim from thigh down. if you have chicken drumstick shaped thighs you want to stick to fuller cuts that balance the thigh with the rest of your fit. its easier to fuck things up for these guys and they have to consider upper lower body balance more and they should really avoid strong taper angles in their pants. mild tapers can look very good on them. also that high taper angle but whole jean is relaxed and loose type fit thats really popular right now looks good on them.
>>18314167As someone who has an insane ammount of cheap jeans: it ain't worth it. You'd be better off buying 3-4 pairs of good jeans you can rotate. Also you do not need to repeat jeans with different cuts. Get most of your stuff on a fit that suits you and one on a different cut to spice things up. For most guys a classic straight fit works best.
>try a pair of vintage levi’s in a thrift store>they look good, wear nice>check the garment label>n% elastane, made in Pakistan
>>1831418299% of the times a $400 shirt has nothing that makes it better than a 100$ shirt. You only pay more for the brand. Rich people can, but this doesn’t mean it’s not stupid to do so.
Wrangler bros. How much do the raw 31MWZDN shrink? I read Wrangler uses sanforized denim, but I also read to expect 5-8% shrink when you wash them. That seems high for sanforized denim, is it?I imagine I’ll get them hemmed because I don’t like the extreme stacking, but I want to make sure I get all the shrink out first.
>>18314713Not true vintage if they have elastic in them, has to be 100% cotton.
why is it so fucking hard to find 36" inseam jeans bros?that's literally impossible for vintage and even new you have very few options
>>18314720>$100id say good rtw shirts is more like 100-150 for a nice shirt with relatively off the shelf fabric.there's subjective factors that can make something worth more. iron heart's appeal is its ticking every single subjective box possible, AND they have the best tartans everyone else tries to copy, AND they're a very not off the shelf not typical fabric. they're definitely well worth the japanese price. the international price is overpriced but there's a lot of guys out there who don't give a shit and will pay it anyways because if you want a modernized fitting shirt and a flannel iron heart is as good as it gets. some brands that charge well over 150 for casual shirts that are worth it:brycelands & viapiana - only two brands with a real tailoring background making these kinds of shirts. there's nothing crazy going on with their shirts or anything gimmickly simply: their rtw shirts just look better and fit better on more guys than other brands. gotta try one on to know what i mean. real mccoy's & all the other related brands that split off from them when they had drama ages ago - they use their shit on film sets and for reenactment. if you need historic accuracy its well worth what you pay for the extra hyper sperg attention to detail. >>18314763if youre the guy with 36 inseam AND massive thighs try viapiana/ciano farmer/soso custom maybe?if youre not what fit do you want?>>18314736reason for the discrepancy is the care tag inside wranglers says to wash them on hot 3 times and tumble dry them when you get them. when you see figures like 2% shrink for sanf denim and 8% shrink for unsanf cited those are assuming the jeans are cold washed and hang dried for life. you can get a lot more shrinkage out of either by washing them hot and tumble drying like that. the care tag's why some people's wranglers shrink a ton. not all sanforized denim is "as sanforized" though there's a bit of variance. wranglies seem to shrink a bit more than avg.
>>18314763oh also if you are that huge thigh 36 inseam guy, i would seriously just look into making your own jeans. you can make decent and sturdy jeans with relatively little equipment i've seen it done with just a straight stitch machine. ive seen it done for like the cost of buying a pair of jap jeans. one thing that helps a lot to know: rivets and shit really aren't necessary they're just a vintage detail bar tacks are stronger. there's a lot of threads on reddit and sufu about it. gymbros, troons and women seem to be the main demographics on denim forums who say fuck it and just make their own jeans so a good deal of the threads and results pics you'll find will be relevant to you. heres some old ass sufu posts:https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/63571-home-made-jeans/https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/79002-so-im-having-a-pair-of-jeans-made/
>>18314763Most raw denim brands default to 36" and expect you to hem your jeans. Also wrangler goes up to a 40" inseam
>>18314786some jap brands run a little on the long side more like 37" if he's worried about shrinkage.but if he is that guy with enormous thighs and a 36" inseam... i've looked pretty extensively for that guy its hard to find stuff that fits him its rough out there. for whatever reason most of the brands that accommodate monster thighs are 34 or 35 inseam. that anon's best off with like zoomer balloon pants, denim fatigues or custom shit.
>>18314788If he's got Christmas hams and a 36 inseam, Orange tab 550s are the way to go. I've got a pair tagged 34x32 with a 14" thigh and an 8" leg opening. It's hands down the best cut for giant legs if you don't wanna go full on workwear.Only issue is sizing can be inconsistent based on year of manufacture, country of origin, and how much they've been washed dried over the years. There are plenty of 36 inseam ones floating around on eBay though, and they can almost all be had for ~$30
>>18314784Im the huge thigh and long inseam guy. There are options out there for me, and I know I wont make my own jeans. Skill and desire issue. Sugarcane, lee repo, some Indonesia brands, and (I think) Samurai have options.I’m paralyzed by fear of dropping $300+ and fucking up the sizing. There are a couple of places that have Japanese and other selvege denim brands in my town. Next step for me is taking all I’ve learned lurking and trying on some jeans.
>>18314736Only ever had 13mwz and 936den but I feel like it's a very minimal shrink, they might just tighten up around the crotch but that's it
>>18314779>id say good rtw shirts is more like 100-150 for a nice shirt with relatively off the shelf fabric.>there's subjective factors that can make something worth more. iron heart's appeal is its ticking every single subjective box possible, AND they have the best tartans everyone else tries to copy, AND they're a very not off the shelf not typical fabric. they're definitely well worth the japanese price. the international price is overpriced but there's a lot of guys out there who don't give a shit and will pay it anyways because if you want a modernized fitting shirt and a flannel iron heart is as good as it gets.Bruh I understand these threads are frequented by 99,99% Americans, but it’s pretty idiotic to assume any person posting something here has americana in mind. There are historic shirtmakers in Europe too who have “real tailoring backgrounds” (what a funny phrase, could it be any different if we’re talking about quality shirts?) and arguably better than their American counterparts who will sell their shirts for 100 euros or a little more if tailor-made for you. Pic related Camiceria Argentina, est. Turin 1969, literal perfection and you’ll never waste more than 200 euros with them.
>>18314881to be clear i mean people making rtw heritage work shirts, western shirts, non-fag flannels and shit like that with a tailoring background. you're posting about menswear dress shirts, not really the same thing, easier to find skilled tailors making those. and i don't get your point because the shirts i'm talking about are basically the same price point maybe slightly more but a lot more niche easily justifying the slight price gap. >Pic related Camiceria Argentina, est. Turin 1969, literal perfection and you’ll never waste more than 200 euros with them.post his sawtooth western shirt. that's my point..>what a funny phrase, could it be any different if we’re talking about quality shirts?someone who's worked as a bespoke tailor simply is going to be able to design rtw shirts better than someone who hasn't because they have a ton of experience making shirting for a wide range of body types. which is the goal of a good rtw shirt, to fit the either the most guys the best possible. most brands making these types of shirts don't have a single employee with any tailoring experience. vs everything handmade by a single guy who used to do nothing but ultra high end bespoke. paying for good design is worth it. >There are historic shirtmakers in Europe too who have “real tailoring backgrounds” (what a funny phrase, could it be any different if we’re talking about quality shirts?) and arguably better than their American counterparts who will sell their shirts for 100 euros or a little more if tailor-made for you.in america its like 125, 150 usually for a reliably good rtw shirt not 100. we have better high qual cotton production than europe but far less experience with tailoring to go around you are right about that. and importing high quality cotton/textile isn't such a hinderance in europe anymore. good shirts are more expensive and not quite as good here. still if you wanted a good western shirt where you live you're probably still looking at brycelands.
Can any fellow europoors advise me on where to get corduroys? All I can find is skinny shit with a low waist
>>18314900Paying more than 200 white people bucks for a shirt (Western or European, it doesn’t matter, we also have high quality cotton) is beyond retardation. That was my point.
>>18314993>spending your money differently than how I would spend your money. How dare you!Hello comrade.
Whats the best way to wear wide legged WWII cut jeans without any taper?
>>18315630ww2 fit has a little taper. 40's and 50's are pretty normal fits by modern standards especially if you didn't upsize a bunch. 1930's are the ones with zero taper at all.
>>18315637I mean 1930s then. They are nice jeans but I'm struggling to find harmonious fits
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