I'm a Eurofag and I'm looking for a low budget (500€ - 600€) suit. Ideally as much wool as possible. What brands can you recommend?Secondly, is an all black suit appropriate if you are not an undertaker, visiting a funeral, or whatever? I'm not creative but I know that going all black is a low effort method to look sleek. Can the same be done with suits?
>>183556671. I don't know much about brands, but 500-600 should get you a decent off-the-rack suit + alterations.2.Do not get a black suit. You WILL look like a bodyguard/bouncer/wannabe Tarantino character and in a crowd of people with navy and charcoal suits you will stand out as the guy who doesn't know what he is doing. In addition, if this is your first suit, you will want something that is versatile and can possibly be combined with different shoes, ties and shirts and be worn on different occasions - well good look wearing a black suit with anything other than black shoes and a white shirt and god help you if you show up at a wedding in one. Just go for navy; being stylish in a suit is about getting the details right, not about being flashy.
>>18355667better not buy a suit insead of a shitty one
>>18355667Get one of these
>>18355667Your local Suitsupply store; find a cut you like, then if possible buy a half-canvas one (not fused).All black is very formal (relatively to suits which are already more formal than average), if you're buying it for the office get a navy or charcoal one for maximum versatility, only buy a black one if you plan on wearing it to funerals, events and nights out.Or, buy a suit your size on vinted, see how it fits, measure it, buy another one based on those measurements, and repeat 5 times until you have one or two that fit, then sell the ones that don't.
>>18355667Unless you're ready to get one each from Zegna, Kiton, and Brioni, you're NOT ready to wear suits.take your 500 bucks and buy yourself a shirt designed by a nigger or something.
>>18355692you people are going to dogpile me and call me indian or underage or poor or you'll larp about how you're old money or mr quiet luxury but black suits are fine if you have good shoes, good shirt, a good tie, a good haircut, a good belt, and a good watchwhat makes you look like a limo driver is when you have a cheap black suit ($600) and a cheap shirt, and a cheap watch, and a cheap shirt, and a cheap haircut, and you look uncomfortable in ityou've just never seen someone in a good black suit with good shoes (etc), because it's not a common color outside of funerals, and if you're 4chan /fa/ age (young), you don't go to a lot of funerals
You should be able to snatch something decent off of octobre editions with that price range.
>>18355667CavourNatalinoSuit Supply
>>18356050completely disagree. great suit or not, black is too formal for most occasion and you'll stick out immensely. if OP is looking to get his first suit, he should go navy or dark grey.if you're wearing a black suit in a regular, you may as well be wearing a tuxedo>>18356040>>18355692listen to these OP
>>18356044Retarded post. I have several suits from Kiton, Brioni, Isaia etc and they're not first time suits at all. People need to learn what looks good on them, what styles work for them, what they enjoy wearing. It's a natural progression to get somewhat illfitting and dorky suits at first as you figure things out, then expensive suits later. This is like saying>Unless you're ready to get one each from Ferrari, Lambo etc you aren't ready to drive a carMoron.
>>18356410all I hear is copingEither you do it right, or you don't do it at all
>>18355667>low budget>500-600€You can get a custom-made one in Germany for that money. Not horsehair, of course, but reasonably good.If you're in Germany, try looking for Maßkonfektion. That basically means having a pre-designed suit made to your measurements. My last jacket cost me 230€, a pair of pants would have been another 150€, so 380 for a suit. And that was already with 100% wool and a mid-quality fabric.>is an all black suit appropriateNo. Charcoal is kinda alright except for business, but I'd go with a mid-grey for an all-purpose suit, or mid- to dark-blue for a pure business suit.If you want a dark grey or black suit, go for a coarse fabric, and combine the jacket with a light grey or brownish (beige, khaki, erc) pair of pants for everything that isn't a funeral or an extremely formal social event.>going all black is a low effort method to look sleekOnly if it fits well. With bad fit, a black suit will just make you look like a formless blob. My first suit was like that (back when I still fell for the "tailoring is expensive, buy of the rack and get the sleeves adjusted" meme). Absolutely sucked.Also, never wear a black tie like the uy in your pic is doing. I was at an assessment center once where some phillipino guy did that. He ended up getting ridiculed by most of the applicants for it. Of course, part of that was also that he didn't know how to act in a formal setting, but the black tie was the most obvious part of it.
>>18356531Why are europoors/eurofags so judgemental even tho theyre broke LOL
Patrick HellmannEdouard DresslerHave bought blazers from both and they were pretty good quality.
Fire this money I'd get a made to measure one. I got one 10 years ago and it still holds up.
>>18356532>Not paying excessive prices when there's cheap options means you're brokeThe level of retardation of some people here...
>>18356532I suit-mog you, mr H&M polyester suit.
>>18356789>Not paying excessive prices when there's cheap options means you're brokeCorrect.
>>18356044>>18356502Post a picture of the Zegna, Kiton and Brioni suits in your wardrobe, and to really blow us the fuck out also post a picture of you wearing one that fits you well (you won't because you're a larper who doesn't own any good suit).>>18356531>€230 for a MTM jacket3 meters of a decent brand name wool are going to cost at least €90, taking your measurements, doing a fitting and then taking notes for alterations is going to take at least one hour, and putting together a jacket is going to take at the very least 4 hours of skilled labor even without any hand finishing, so you're getting charged at most €28 per hour of skilled labor, tax included, in Germany.That's comically low, are illegal turkish immigrants working on your suits?I'd be curious to see a few picture of one if you can be bothered to post them.
>>18356531Almost all custom made suits under a few grand will be measured by a tailor, info sent to a sweatshop in Asia, suit gently adjusted from a generic plan and sent back to the local tailor for final adjustments. If your body isn't very average shape then it won't fit well, even with your measurements in mind. If you happen to know a local tailor who does the entire thing inhouse for that I'd be shocked but that'd be awesome. I'd recommend a totally new suit wearer buy a few cheap jackets off the rack first just to explore colors and cuts before going MTM but it's probably not terrible to get a cheap MTM early if it's not too expensive>>18356502>Don't bother learning to walk because you can't immediately sprint a 100m>Don't get a car that's not a $400k supercar>Don't ever start anything unless you go straight to the top You are retarded we get it, stop posting
On the topic of being cheap:I'm looking for a silk scarf. In local shops I see prices ranging from 20 to 100+ EUR. On Ali I see "silk scarves" from 1 EUR.What would I get if I go the cheap route — Chinese silk, or chinese crap?
>>18356907>What would I get if I go the cheap routeprobably plastic impregnated with lead.
>>18356907Real silk is waxy and stiff. These cheap "silk scarves" are typically satin and other synthetic materials.
>>18356907Viscose or polyester of the lowest quality.
>>18356834Hmm? Asking for pictures of hot men (me) wearing suits? Aren't you an audacious one... >>18356894My hyper-developed brain is simply too far ahead of yours... I almost feel pity
>>18356907If you look more closely you'll probably see "ice silk" written somewhere, which means polyester, or "polyester" directly.The raw materials for a silk scarf obtained in SEA will cost at least €5 euros, if you want a cheap one find a local ethnic store and see if they carry scarves, or buy something that looks decent on Ali and spend €20-30.>>18356989>didn't even post a picture of his wardrobeSo you're a larper.
>>18356907What makes you want silk specifically? Good wool or cashmere is honestly a better material for a scarf most of the time
>>18357165I need a scarf for 2 purposes:1. to keep my neck warm while riding;2. to look good with my aviator-style leather jacket.I have a wool buff that is functional, but lacks in style.All wool/cashmere scarves that I tried are either too thick, or have a bit of roughness that is guaranteed to irritate my neck (you constantly turn your head when riding).Silk worked for pilots, should work for me.
>>18357108>still asking for pictures of hot menmy my, what leads a man to lust for another this much
>>18356796You seem low IQ
>>18355667Armani suits are around that price. Depends on what you wear underneath but most of the times black is better for bouncers, priests and undertakers indeed. Dark grey with black pattern is the closest thing to black that doesn't look out of place imho or you could go with a light colored buttoned shirt like this guy in pic.
Don't wear a bow tie with suits, try to not look like a waiter.
>>18357838>Narrow peak lapels>Skinny tie>Jetted pocketsI like the fabric but man what a waste
>>18357851You don't like the pockets? there's always the flap inside, they just don't pull it out most of the times.
>>18356531Would you suggest some German makers?
>>18355667Wait for big sales in Italy (end of August and early January)Google "falcoboutique caivano"Pick a Tagliatore or Pino Lerario suit (size up one size for the latter) at 40 or 50% off, they usually cost 1~1.1k before sales and they're half-canvassed.Pray they still have your sizeGet a local tailor to do alterations as neededThe result:>>18356044Overpriced RTW stuff no one with a modicum of sense would ever buy. If it has to cost like bespoke, might as well go for bespoke.
>>18358865They're great brands just not worth buying for store price. If you can get them NWT or very lightly used for a steep discount they're well worth it
>>18358865that's why you get them bespoke.only a retard would buy their stock stuff
>>18358887A bespoke suit will run you upwards of 3000~4000 € here not everyone is willing to invest that kind of money (and time, fittings and production take months) for a garment.Quality RTW at a reasonable price with alterations from a skilled tailor is the way to go unless you're Gordon Gekko or something (even moreso with relaxed fits and generous silhouettes making a comeback).I have a couple of bespoke sport coats and separate trousers but having to go through the process, once the novelty has worn out, is honestly a chore. Shirts are the only thing I get made bespoke nowadays cause it only takes a couple of weeks tops.
>>18358936I've very strongly considered going bespoke just because my body shape doesn't really fit RTW even with alterations. So far I've been buying high end suits from designer resellers online when I find a good discount and getting those altered. Some brands seem to lend far more to the athletic shape than others.
>>18358936I meant get them bespoke at zegna/brioni/kiton
