/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
>>18598659Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18576652
>>18598659not balding or anything like that but should i get this haircut?
>>18598671It's a cool haircut if you're in your 20s but not past that
Brehs I got a bottle of fin pills at 1mg that will last me 3 months, not worried about sides since they do seem to be extremely rare but I am worried about fucking up my liver since I'm a massive drinker on weekends and drinking while taking a continuous use medication spooks me a bit. Anyone here have experience going on a 2 day bender while on fin?
How long until we see the same thing start happening with Finasteride or Minoxidil. Irresponsible, unregulated medication never leads to anything god https://youtu.be/FPsKTfFQFqc
>>18599283Probably 2 more weeks if I had to guess.
>stop fin right away if suicidalso i never get to start? what if i just do minoxidil. >hair lumps together and scalp visible while bathing>some baby hairs at forehead hairline btw my test values are shit and i had gyno surgery
not seeing any regrowth despite being on 2.5 dut and 2.5 min for a yearno topical, only orali've also noticed applying hair oils causes my hair to fall out during washes, but if i don't wash my scalp it becomes greasy and full of dandruffwhat should i do in this situation?right now, i wash my hair twice daily with plain water, and wash it with shampoo+conditioner once per week after applying hair oils
>>18599411you should visit a dermatologist in this case, min and dut work assuming that you have androgenetic alopecia, but any other cause for hair loss will see little help in that case. I know healthcare is prohibitively expensive in America and whatever, but there's a reason that the initial recommendation is always to visit the doctor, also regrow is not a guarantee, the main focus has always been to stop the sheading, that's why people push for others to start it before it gets bad
Use spironolactone. Spironolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically lower risk of sexual side effects in men.I’ve been on spiro for a few months now and the results are nothing short of legendary. Spiro is the ultimate anabolic tonic that sends test levels skyrocketing. I have >thicker, fuller hair: my temples which had been thinning are filling back in rapidly>facial hair renaissance: patchy beards are a thing of the past. Spiro turbo-charges follicle activity The science is settled: spiro cranks up test production and unleashes it directly at the follicular level. Dermatologists call it “anabolic follicular supercharging.”If you’re ready to stop playing with bullshit like minoxidil and want to grow a mane worthy of a Norse god, you need to buy spiro. Just don’t forget to get a bigger comb.
7 months on DHT blockers+min+tret and still seeing regrowth/progressthe angle makes it look real bad but it's actualy ~NW1.75.
>>18599416Couple of questions.Spiro is an androgen blocker, que reason most trans women don't mind using it is because they're also getting external hormones, on a regular cis guy without hormone replacement you're flat out denying your body the regular hormones it needs to function, so what are you doing about the loss in bone density and in general, the drop in circulating testosterones, the difference between the androgenic blocking qualities of Spiro and Dut/Fin are astronomical What about the Feminizing effects that come from the lack or circulating test, what about the body fat redistribution
>>18599443That's really super, regrowth at 7 months is impressive, usually takes a little over a year. Did you go through the shed phase already?
>>18599409Being bald might make you even more suicidal so honestly just keep taking it. Also lol this captcha.
>>18599487That has been debunked.
>>18598659
>>18599495>debunkedDebunked what, conventional medicine? Spiro sees most of it's use as an androgen blocker, that's what it's used for.> Spironolactone is an oral antiandrogen that blocks androgen receptors and inhibits androgen biosynthesis [67]. The drug decreases 17-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, therefore halting the conversion of androstenedione to testosterone [92]. Spironolactone may also inhibit 5-alpha-reductase, thereby preventing the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Additionally, spironolactone may increase steroid-hormone binding globulin
>>18599498No it isn’t.
>>18599443Do you just mix min and tret cream? If so, then wouldn't your scalp be much more sensitive to the sun? And wouldn't that mean that you should apply sunscreen to your scalp?
Do you do hair check-ins? Do you measure progress somehow?
What about PRP treatment?
>>18599409Get your test levels fixed first before you even start taking fin or min retard.
>>18599699any tips? i am normal weight now. exercise here and there. sleep is okay.it is 60+ year old average
>just fix it bro
>>18599735You're 60 years old? Unless you're trolling, just accept the baldness at that point wtf
How'd you guys like the new Smiling Friends episode?
>>18598659Ex-professional baseball player & adult smut writer-core
what the fuck
>>18599960>Without meds What did you do? Was your hair loss even AGA?
>>18600029NTA but that's what I have due to hypothyroidism, although it isn't as bad as your before pic currently but it's likely sparse whenever I do shower, do you have an autoimmune conditions?
What do you guys think of minoxidil-finasteride combo sprays and topical fin in general?
>>18599819my test equals that of a 60+ year oldfree test is not that bad but still bad
>Somali forehead + receding hairlineGo on without me bros...I never had a chance.
>>18600263Less effective then oral but still good. Should only go with topical if you can't tolerate sides for whatever reason.
>>18600316How much less effective and how many less sides? I was on fin a while ago and got sides even on 1/4 a pill
>>18598659isn't this some twitter groomer?
>>18600308forehead reduction surgery + transplant to cover up the scar. you're welcome sir.
How early can you take fin/dut?Will nuking DHT ruin puberty leftovers in guys under 25? What else besides dick and hair will it affect?Or are you just supposed to take on the norwood reaper until you fully finish maturing?
>>18600761in essence it doesnt touch much at 18 arguably you can start even earlier you're pretty much done at say 16 for the major stuff. facial hair is still coming though so you might lose out on that but otherwise it's fair game. it's approved for ages 18 and up the clinical trials include 18 to 20 yr olds.
nigga looks at least 10 years younger. if you're not on finasteride what are you even doing at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60klPiG7bZ4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62zz3p8UPmc
Minox and Keto shampoo are enough, stop recommending fin/dut
>>18600880>stop recommending the only thing that works.what in the goy.
I got 600+ pics of my journey, if you want more side-by-sides, feel free to ask.It's surprising how much the increased definition of temporal peaks - which is funnily enough barely visible in this comparison - abolished my insecurity of people noticing I'm bald when going about my day, in fact, I barely even have to make an effort to style my hair so it hides the recession.>>18599489>Did you go through the shed phase already?I have never shed, with or without meds, and yes, I'm very glad it's worked well for me.>>18599630>Do you just mix min and tret cream?I use minoxidil on my temples and beard only and then tret 0.1% gel on my face.>If so, then wouldn't your scalp be much more sensitive to the sun? Sunlight shouldn't penetrate down to the scalp unless you're severely balding and even then, I never got sunburns/irritation I could've directly pinpointed to tret despite spending plenty of time outside during summer.Applying min to the entire scalp is already tedious if you aren't buzzcut and DHT blockers typically regrow diffusely thinned areas by themselves, albeit slower.>And wouldn't that mean that you should apply sunscreen to your scalp?Well, the thing with retinoids making your skin more sensitive to UV is photoaging, and I hope scalp wrinkles don't bother you. I don't think you can get straight-up sunburns just because of it.I apply SPF50+ at least AM, with a reapplication later in the day if it's particularly harshly sunny outside.
This side-by-side is a month old now, so 6 months of progress here.
>>18600761I'm >>18600902 and this is my 14-YEAR-OLD brother's hairline.Mine was similar and so was my middle younger brother's, so I've been a stable NW2 (a mature hairline, if you will - my middle brother's at ~NW1.5) for about 12 years. My point is that you don't have to start losing your shit if you're balding while underage and it doesn't mean you're gonna go NW7 before 20.>>18600916fingers crossed
>>18600359Its pretty much a negligible difference with systemic absorption from topical fin, min is where you avoid much of the sides by using topical. Topical fin is a marketing strategy for people who have psyched themselves up and experience psychological sides. If you don't get sides from topical you have fallen victim to the scam, selling you a false piece of mind.
>>18600359And its as effective as you can reliably get good scalp coverage with it. In other words you will undoubtedly waste medication and thus effectiveness if you have hair longer than a buzz. Sides aren't real just take oral and its a lot cheaper.
>>18601042Freakish failson gay schizo manlet physiognomy.
>>18601065>>18601066This ain’t your blog boy. Some of us are here to discuss balding son.
>>18601072>>18601078Gonna cry pigslim?
>>18601107Ready for your raping?
>>18600632lmao you look absolutely chopped bro
>>18600929Funnily enough, my paternal grandfather's side of the family comes from northern Italy and we all have the same pattern (plus my middle brother and I smoke and wear wifebeaters) so it checks out...
>>18601066nice filename
Starting to think something like a hair system is acceptable. Degenerate society calls for degenerate solutions.Definitely wouldn't take any drugs though.
>>1859865922 here, my hairline has receeded a lot and stoped now for a year or so (receeded from 18 to 20), Im not losing any hair anymore and it looks alright but I would love to regrow my temples so I can rock different hairstyles more comfortably, what should I start buying?
>>18601591nothing. temples are not recoverable with medication and most surgeons are too bluepilled and really don't even know how to reconstruct temples espceially turks & americans. It's Laorwong or bust for temple work.
>>18601574You are just trading one insecurity for another. From bald to being afraid of being found out. They rank well below meds and transplants.
>>18601716Yea maybe but I'm not wearing it personally. Just saying its acceptable. Best thing to do is still just accept being bald and maybe wear a hat when it works with the weather and your outfit.
>>18601065School shooter/10.
>>18601793delusional. even women get their temples raped in their 20s. it's by far the most sensitive part. >>18601810shut the fuck up
/f/riends we're on TVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR3NOGn4we8I personally agree with the wizard
>>18601834since when is scalp massaging viable? and i imagine u would have to continue that silly treatment daily for life.
>>18600032How long did your TE episode last? Was it chronic or acute?
>>18601990>traction alopecia Were you tying your hair in a tight bun jojo siwa style or something? And that's interesting, mine started in 2023, once I got my meds the hair loss stopped, but then came back once I started having side effects and since then I've been continuously shedding (both body and scalp hair, even lost a bit of eyebrow hair as well), have also had a ton of inflammation, no scabs or scars or anything like that but just red inflammation on the scalp all over which causes me massive amounts of itching. Just wanna compare yours to mine to see if your treatment options is optimal for me. Already changing my pillow sheets at least once a week and trying to find some good shampoos.
>>18601990instead of botox, can i just get bees to sting me in my bald spot and hopefully the bee toxins will have a similar effect?
I now remember why I left this threaddrown in shit schizos, I'm outta here
>>18599414what should i do with hair oils? continue or drop them?would like some recommendations on hair care routines from anyone here
>>18601821You dress like a side character from a netflix show and a gay porn redneck at the same time.
>"balding" general>No Jason Alexander, Dostoevsky, Larry David, Paul the Apostle, or Wilford Brimley
>>18602352those are just bald.
>>18602221>https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=botox+hair+loss&btnG=i did light research last night and what i got out of that was that botox is neither permanent, nor or is a cost efficient approach to the MPB problem. I also got the message that hair growth from botox is insignificant, but i will discount that because the study probably didn't have people on finasteride while receiving botox treatment. that still does not address cost efficiency which is actually pretty important.
>>18602383It also doesn't prove that the bloodflow theory is correct, and the only way you're treating your hair loss "naturally" is if you don't have AGA to begin with. Why are people so commonly appeal to naturetards? Scalp massages are literally worthless.
>>18602396His hair is just longer and it looks like a bad photoshop job lol
>>18602396first off his hair is longer in the second picture,second, he is still very clearly bald. if there was actual significance to botox theory, there would be more images after the first month of treatment where his balding spot fills in (there are no more images of this subject)
>>18602414why do you get angry when totally valid arguments are being made? i don't think suburban housewives do botox injections in their living room without a doctor, pretty sure ur thinking of ozempic. Botox also isn't cheap, look it up, and don't call me poor when you see $300-600 per session and say that is cheap. I also never said anything about finasteride effectiveness.don't get mad at me, but i think the reason ur angry is because u don't want your theory to be wrong. i don't want it to be wrong either, ngl im doing some scalp massaging to self experiment, but its becoming clear to me that scalp massages and botox aren't going to be part of the holy grail of combatting hair loss.
>>18602415im not the one recommending everyone to take a needle of poison the scalp. Im not the 38 year old troon who u keep referring to, i am 33
>>18602487>suburban housewives and botoxthey don't goy. Hims would be marketing that shit like no other if that were a thing.>$300-600 per sessionYou contradict yourself. You said it only needed to be done every couple of years and now it needs to be done a couple of times a year? >fin effectivenessI never made arguments about ones effectiveness over the other, but i do see some promise in the combination of the two; increasing DHT supressed blood flow to the scalp.
wtf happened to /balding/?last time I visited was over a year ago and this gay alien skull having half-jew was shilling some retarded scalp tension theory and was having meltdowns whenever someone mentioned using fin and minlooks like nothing changed except he's even more insecure now and posting his wannabe blue collar costumes kek
>>18602488botox gives brain damage, I'd rather use fin
I've been doing fin, min, keto shampoo, and microneedling for 3 months now. No idea if it's even working.
>>18602504the botox studies had subjects doing injections every 3 months, not 6-12. Inb4 you say your advice was better.also, a simple google search does not yield me any real DIY botox injections.
>>18602518Dude looks like he has scaphocefaly
>>18602531Isn't there a study saying botox can cross the blood-brain barrier and damage the nervous system?
>>18602395It's because people that don't have AGA (but think they have AGA) have a bad lifestyle/bad genes and those treatments fix some problem that causes their hair loss.Same way there's whole groups on reddit arguing about what the solution to getting a bigger cumshot is.
>>18602528Fin can take up to a year to show full results due to velus hairs healing from being nuked by DHT, if you have no sides keep going bro.
>>18602652It can take up to a year to show INITIAL results
>>18602605Yeah bro is a full nut, I get some people are wary of finasteride but telling them to get Botox injections in their head at home. Bros gotta few screws loose.
>>18598659>was in denial about balding>was just starting>took finasteride>dabbed the minoxidil>washed with the ketoconazole>six months later hair is better than it was in high schoolBros. I'm looking fresh. Why the fuck do people not do this? My hair is thick as fuck.
>>18602752just peruse this thread. schizo central using tactics of FUD by spreading multiple narratives some positive some negative so people don't know what's actually the truth because reading the papers and trial associated with the drugs is out of the league of most people.
>>18598659This motherfucker is so ugly. Imagine being a grown ass man and larping as a fucking DMC resident evil japanese video game character
>>18598659Post-Finasteride Syndrome is real.
>>18602879Post-Bald Syndrome is realer.
>>18602873imagine it? im doing it
>>18602518>chudjack phenotypecan't make this shit up at this point
>>18602739i love how there's always these retards in these threads that tell you not to take fin because it will kill your dick but at the same time they'll recommend you actual tranny drugs, pinning contaminated botox made in someone's bathtub into your skull and rape your hair by massaging your scalp for 2 hours a day lmao
>>18600022if you can reverse your hair loss with lifestyle changes or supps, you don't have aga
>>18599409>>18599699>>18599735in my case my test was hovering above the lower limit before fin, it went up to average on fin so i guess it's different for everyone
>>18603284what about hair loss due to thyroid?
>>18603370Thyroid hair loss is caused by low TSH & T4/T3. Your body is in a way shutting down your hair follicles and prioritizing your thyroid above all else, hence the hair loss. You need to get on medication to get it fixed and even then it's going to take a few months to a year to see any significant regrowth. The part that sucks for you though is that a lot of times thyroid patients don't regrow their hair unless they get on the right medication, some don't regrow it on levothyroxine, they may stop the shedding sure, but the hair just won't regrow, but, some end up growing it back on Armour, Tirosint, Levoxyl, etc. and getting your doctor to switch your medication is practically impossible unless you're having bad side effects from the meds. And another thing about thyroid patients is that they often have vitamin deficiencies which are also causing their hair loss. So you know, good luck with that.
i can never understand men who will rather be in denial with early signs of balding and refused to get on generic finasteride and oral minoxidil to save their hair. they instead waste precious time. Is it laziness or genuine fear of side effects? who cares of the 3% chance your dick doesn’t work, you’re not having sex anyway.
>>18603431Some people just refuse to believe it. I didn't think I was losing my hair until I got on this stuff, and I'm just thinking I'm dumb for not getting on it sooner. I will say, I was losing at a slow rate because my shit looks like my high school hair.
>>18603432This. I was in denial for 2+ years. I even had a friend rec me fin very early on, unfortunate but better late than never.
>>18603432every guy who recovered their hair with fin and minoxidil says the same thing, I wish I got on it sooner. good shit though.
>>18603370In cases of chronic illnesses like that, hair is always the first thing your body stops prioritizing because it isn't essential for survival. Get on thyroid meds fast before your hair gets even more fucked up.
>>18603432I didn't notice my hair going out past the NW1 line until way later because I was growing my hair out and the fringe kind of hid it most of the time. Then it was at NW2 and I thought to myself "Maybe it'll stay at that level until I'm in my late 30s, I'm fine" but then I noticed my hair didn't stop receding/thinning bit by bit and that was when I started to take fin+min. It's all about hindsight
>>18603431It's pure denial that they're going bald. If you post your dying hairline on any non-hairloss forum, there's gonna be a bunch of dudes telling you that your hair is fine or that you're a bitch if you care about your hair.I was convinced my hair was fine until I took a photo with my friends where the top of my head had a few bald spots and my hair looked wispy as shit, that's when I started taking fin. Otherwise I'd be telling myself that everything's fine until it'd be too late.
What do I need to learn about to know if this will postentially screw me? I'd like to try it but interfering with my body's natural processes via artificial means just seems outwardly risky. It's not a decision I'd want to make without education.
>>18603702go to a doctor a trichologist or a dermatologist and ask them then.
>>18603738I haven't gone to a doctor since I was a child. Kinda scares me to be honest.
>>18603754want us to hold your hand or something.
>>18603767Yes
>>18603771just telemedicine it, 2 pics of your head they don't even have to be yours and you get a year fin prescription
>>18603702>What do I need to learn aboutJust look up all the side effects, how often they happen, if the fin or dut will interfere with any other medications you're taking, or, if you should even be taking it if you have any chronic illnesses, etc. Ask AI for help.
>>18603823Notwood infinatum since that's obvious AI.
>>18603945SLOPPAStop it.
>>18603949another school shooter classic
>>18603431I don't think you people understand just how much is 3%, that's millions of people you think being bald is bad for selfsteem?, now try having a non functional dick FOR LIFE
>>18603702>but interfering with my body's natural processes via artificial means just seems outwardly risky.You know that every single antibiotic, every single pill of Tylenol, Advil, any medication you have ever taken was " interfering the body's natural processes"
>>18603997I don't take any of those things regularly.
>>18603996Not my problem.
>>18599416yes have fun becoming a literal tranny lmao
>>18603996>for lifeLet's say there's a 3% chance of the standard dose of finasteride giving you side effects, if you get them, they'll only last for as long as the drug is in your system. If you stop taking it the side effects will go away 100% of the time. In actuality, the chances of getting side effects are probably even lower than that since the gathered data is self assessed. Now, that's for the standard dose of 1mg, those who experience side effects can drop frequency and/or dosage of the drug, making the side effects even less likely. And if that doesn't work, they can try dutasteride or topical finasteride. >PFSPsychosomatic bullshit made up by fags who are jealous that others are saving their hair while they're bald and miserable.
>>18604023it could be higher than 3% too because lots of guys are going to be in denial about ED like how they're often times in denial about balding
>>18603437>every guy who recovered their hair with fin and minoxidil says the same thingBro, I'm in my mid 30s. I wasn't going to grow my hair out again. Now, I'm definitely going to do it. I'm going to be a sleazy unc.
>>18604027there's a dutasteride study with an erectometer that suggests the opposite
Seems like I am the manliest of men
>>18604027ED is pretty binary. Anyway, not sure what you want from us. The drug's been sold for 30 years the clinical trials show good efficacy what else do you want. a lot of drugs have sides.
Has anyone here been successful in getting a dutasteride prescription from an EU country? How did you go about doing it?Doctors/derms in my country, Sweden, won't prescribe it so I have to try internationally...
>>18602395Because they're scared of blocking the hormone that makes you look like a thumb.>>18603431It's both. In my experience, I was simply too passive and just took it as a given that there was nothing to be done about it. Also, for most people, early signs of recession just do not count as balding. By the time you will not be happy with your hairline, you are still not technically bald enough to point it out to most people around you, and they will gaslight you thinking they're being nice if it comes up. Laziness is a really big hurdle, you see on these forums guys who complain about needing to take a fucking PILL every day or spend a minute rubbing topical min into their scalp. If they're too lazy for that, they really are better off just shaving since they're basically pigs anyway.
>>18603702Don't want to be an asshole, but are you this risk averse about everything else as well? Or just for medicine?
>>18604116I'm an Amerifat so I was able to get prescribed dut for $15, and I pay $5/mo for all you can eat hairloss drugs.What's the telehealth situation like in EU? Do they hand out prescriptions easily at all? I heard in Germany you could literally get prescribed things at a pharmacy. I also know that apparently in Spain dutasteride and oral min are basically the first line treatment for hairloss at this point.
>>18604290Just medicine and messing with hormones. I've heard of a couple of things, like one guy saying he had heart problems after getting on fin. Would that be a really rare thing? Maybe, but if a complication related to something as serious as the heart is possible I'd want to exercise caution. I also just don't understand the processes of the body to know how precisely it would affect one and the various outcomes it might have. If all it did was inhibit hair loss, and regrow hair, I'd see no issue with it, and if impotence was temporary, I wouldn't care, but I don't know enough. It would be retarded in fact, to just do these things with no prior knowledge. It's not even really risk aversion, I just want to be educated on the relevant things before I do something like this, and I'm asking what those things would be.I'm not gonna treat myself like a lab rat.
>>18598659> DHT serves no purposeBlatant lie. It's a tranny hormone inhibitor. Side effects are minimized by the pharma Jew because finasteride is a huge cash cow.> Side effects include: tranny tits, tranny dick, tranny mental fog
>>18604474finasteride does not touch the heart in any way. DHT is paracrine and finasteride does not inhibit all of it just around 60%.>>18604483it's a generic drug.
>>18604294it's the same shit but if the drug is not compensated, you'll pay way more. if you convince your docotr to give you 5mg which is for prostate and compensated by the commie govt then it's like 5 bucks.
>>18604495> it's a generic drug.Doesn't change a thing. It's okay to take tranny androgen inhibitors. Just stop lying to yourself, or at the very least to others.
>>18604517it does change a thing because it's not a monopoly for Merck anymore. In the US population of 300 mil only a few million take it and they pay pennies. If it was this money maker you'd see propecia ads like they did in the 90s when they had full exclusivity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yCfpiUCYOwthe reality is that it does not make money barely accounts for 1% of Merck's profits.
>>18604495>finasteride does not touch the heart in any way. I took finasteride long time ago, I had heart issues, very very scary (something that felt like myocarditis, sharp pain in the heart and numb left arm), I had to stop it.
>>18604518It's still a half a billion market and growing, even if that half billion is split between multiple companies making generics.5 alpha reductase inhibitors come with extremely clear warning about sexual dysfunction risks, gyno/tits risk, and suicidal thoughts risks.It's the same molecule, with only a 5x does multiplier (which is nothing, especially since some hair obsessed retards take more than the recommended half gram of fin a day).There's a reason finasteride is a staple of homebrew HRT.You think you're getting the one single effect you desire from hormone therapy (male pattern baldness suppression/reversion) on its own, without all the other effects?You're kidding yourself.
>>18604536>5 alpha reductase inhibitors come with extremely clear warning about sexual dysfunction risks, gyno/tits risk, and suicidal thoughts risks.When prescribed for prostate cancer*
>>18604536that's nothing for Merck. and competition means the price will be driven down if the prescription count rise.no one ever denied side effects exist but it's within safe range as with most drugs. they disappear if you cease the drug. there's no actual evidence of permanent side effects apart from gyno. all reports of permanent side effects have been anecdotal and post market even the FDA does not out a lot of merit in them. Recently EU's regulatory body tried to find something to stick and they didn't added a warning about depression n shit that was there in the US version for years now. what are you on about? what same molecule. it's not HRT for the last time. it barely touches test and E and not by design. it's a drug to shrink the prostate so geezers can piss. it is not. homebrew HRT is just HRT but from some jeets fridge hence the tikka masala smell reported.there are no other effects because it does not touch anything important. the test/e increase/decrease is barely legible and doesn't happen to everyone. hell you'd probably get a higher test boost from working out. hormones are not static and respond to a lot things.
>>18604548> there are no other effects because it does not touch anything importantThere's no such thing as a "single effect" drug (especially when it comes to the endocrine system). It either has no observable effect if the dose is too small, or all the expected effects if the dose is sufficient.I don't know why hairlets are so fucking coy about this shit. Bodybuilders and trannies are way more comfortable talking about gyno, limp dick, brain fog, and how they cope with it.What is it with you faggots that makes you feel the need to deny basic science? That's redditor tier fragility.
>>18604555not an argument.
The only thing that will happen from taking fin is that you will save your hair. Nobody in the history of these threads has ever experienced gyno and the other comically made-up side effects. Our resident anti-fin schizo hasn't even sampled it himself while many of us have been using it for years. This is a man who wants you to take a holistic hindu approach, why anybody would consider that over modern advances in medicine is beyond me.
>>18604555why would i care if a tranny is complaining about a limp dick? what do they know about dicks, this is a brand new add on to their body and they are complaining its not hard enough?? how would they know???a bodybuilder complaining about brain fog? umm? brain fog that is in no way related to their lifestyle? ummmmmmmmmmmmm . . . ?
>>18603702you'll do what we all did. say you'll never take it and then the second you hit norwoood 3, you'll wish you'd take it a year earlier and buy a years worth of fin and min upfront.
Finasteride's best advertisement is the fact that when you take it, if you're diffuse thinning, you lose your old layer of hair as the new one comes in. So if you have long hair, you can compare the old layer and the new one to see where the main areas of thinning were, and sort of deduce how you would look if you were bald. For me it would have been horseshoe with a tuft at the front. I'm 29, started in march. It would have been grim. I don't care what the sides are, my devil's bargain is sealed at this point. The Ghost of Norwood Future came to me in a vision and showed me the other path and I do not like it.
>>18604555I've been taking 1mg a day for about a year and haven't experienced any sides. I'm just stating my experience. Meanwhile, I'd never take test despite being a gymcel because the sides are actually 100% there.
>>18604294In Sweden:Fin 1mg = easy to get prescribed, will set you back like $600 a year.Dut 0.5mg and fin 5mg = nearly impossible to get prescribed.I'm currently buying dut from NL for around $90 / 60 caps, consultation fee included.I take it 3x / week so it doesn't break the bank.If I got a prescription from somewhere in the EU then I could buy it for less than half the price from Germany.
>>18604876it's very easy to get 5mg where I live because doctors are extremely redpilled about drug prices they know that all that shit doesn't even cost a penny and they'll just give you 5mg.
>>18604876You could always try faking an enlarged prostate lol. im not sure if it involves more than you reading off your symptoms
>>18604934They don't check with a rectal exam?
>>18604876>like $600 a yearAre you sure you're not buying overpriced shit like propecia? Look into the brands of fin meds your country sells.
>>18604474Finasteride does not generally do anything with the heart, it's Oral Minoxidil that specifically can have heart sides since it was originally a blood pressure medication. Even then, the risks of OM are rare at the usual dosage it's prescribed at for hair loss (2.5-5mg).
Reminder that it's pointless to ask other people if you're balding because 9 times out 10 they're going to tell you you're fine even if you have a huge bald spot that visible from a mile away. You know your hair, if you notice more hair shedding, loss of volume, a receding hairline, or a bald spot where there wasn't one before, then you're losing your hair, whether it's from AGA or something else is another story.
>>18605050>whether it's from AGA or something else is another story.It will be AGA 95% of the time, if the pattern looks like it, treat it as AGA and don't waste time.
>>18605053I just added that little tidbit because I've come across some people online who sometimes have diffuse thinning all over the scalp (uniformly) along with excessive hair shedding and no hairline recession, which often times points to TE. Hell the other day at the grocery story I saw a guy with Alopecia areata, his girlfriend was hot too.
>>18605056Interesting detail.
Suggest an electrical dermapen. Is there a go to pen?
2nd day on finasteride boys, let this be the start of my journey. I plan on taking pictures of my progress every week. Some would say I'm not "barely balding", but it's better to act now when I still have a Vegeta hairline and not a full Nappa.
>>18604941Idk maybe its not required and you can refuse. It would be an odd thing to lie about, its not like you're seeking out pain meds.
>>18605308>every weekThe progress won't be that quick bro. If you wanna take pics, then take them maybe every 4 months and don't fraud by just having longer hair in the after pics like everyone else
>>18605346I know it won't be that quick and finasteride takes at least 3 months to show results(and that's only if you respond to it particularly well to the drug) but I wanna have a cool gradual timelapse of my progress. I shave my head every january so the gains should be very clear from then on.
>>18604876>>18604934>>18604941AFAIK the easiest way to get dut is to get an online prescription a few times based on enlarged prostate symptoms, since most EU countries are cucked and officially it can't be prescribed for balding, only for prostate issues. Afterwards 99% of docs won't be able to dismiss you because you got a treatment history tied to your ID.
>>18605410I recommend getting on oral minoxidil 2.5mg too, cut it in half. Assuming you want real regrowth. You started at a perfect time, finasteride can regrow hair but not as much as minoxidil can. With finasteride you’re mainly locking your current hair so it won’t recessed further.
6 months fin.Just under 3 months min.I mainly suffered from diffuse thinning at the front of my hairline, and apparently around the crown which I couldn't observe too well.Now I think I'm seeing some regrowth finally.WAGMI
Got my pills, persistent is key
i've been on 6 months of 1mg fin and im not sure theres a change. i was doing 1.25mg - 2.5mg of oral minoxidil for 2 months but had to quit minoxidil due to side effects, but i didnt even notice any improvements nor shedding on it anyway. should i quit fin now and try dutasteride .5mg daily?
>>18605718My guess is that finasteride probably is working for you and will show results with some more time, some people take a whole year to see change. But fuck it, I would just use dut since its betterer.
>>18605718I'd just blast dut if you can't do min, and if dut doesn't improve anything then you probably have some other type of alopecia and aga
Started taking magnesium citrate, vitamin D3 at 50mcg, and calcium, my shedding has reduced significantly but the itching persists even after getting on Nizoral, so I got on some other medicinal shampoo by Neutrogena that I forget the name of.
>>186057186 months is barely enough time for finasteride to show results, most of the gains happen in the 8 to 12 month range unless you're a super responder.>oral minoxOral minox has a much higher incidence of side effects than topical, just use topical.
I've been taking finasteride for around 2 years now.No minoxidil or anything else.I got 5mg proscar prescribed by a dermatologist, I cut them into 4 pieces of roughly 1.25mg, and that's what I take daily.Very cheap, proscar costs me around €4.5, and it lasts me nearly 4 months.Since I started taking it, I didn't notice any further hair loss, though mine was happening slowly and I was in the early stages anyway.I made a kid while on finasteride, kept taking it during my wife's entire pregnancy, my son came out normal, no defects on his dick or balls or anything.I have low side effects in general. I would say my sex drive is somewhat lower, but I am still a gooner. Erections without the dick being touched happen less frequently than before. Cum doesn't fly out of my dick as far as it used to. If I edge for some time, it shoots out nicely, but if it is a quickie of some sort, it kind of just dribbles out.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>18605718apparently, u cant just quit fin and jump on dut, u need to transition on to it over several months.
>>18605969why? it literally inhibits the same type 2 fin does but now type 1 as well. it's literally the same drug.
>>18605969>>18605983it's probably people over reacting to a new shed from the higher potency from dut, so they think that they're "losing hair" because they stopped fin lol
>>18605983The MOA is different and any change in routine can lead to shock loss. Always taper off fin while slowly ramping up dut. Same goes for topical to oral min.
>>18606038it doesn't matter as long as you nuke DHT. any loss will regrow. waste of time if you feel follicles are still shrinking.
Hello anons. Does the dutasteride study on long time sperm quality translate to finasteride? Short term effects of fin were deemed reversible, but I couldn't find a single long term study on the topic.>https://ecerm.org/m/journal/view.php?number=1373I'm 20 and I know I'll recede to norwood 3.5 someday looking at my 70 year old father, but not exactly when, wanted to start using at around 23-25.I've seen 2 videos about this study, both were extremely biased.1 was by haircafe kevin, the other one was by a doomposting blackpill youtuber.
>>18606059going bald in your 20s makes your sperm quality effectively go to 0%but that dut study is a meme, they picked guys that already were prone to have sperm quality problems
>>18606049It does matter.. Even switching manufacturer can lead to a temporary loss of gains. It's happened to me and thousands of others. Any change in routine can cause it and that's a fact.
>>18606059It only reduces the volume which isn't necessarily a problem if you are actively trying to have children. If you were to extrapolate these results 20-30 years onwards with the gradual lowering of test from your 30s into your 50s then you might run into a problem trying to conceive but even then you would not be infertile. That being said you probably won't be planning for kids in your 50s so it's a non issue.
>>18605969I jumped from fin to dut, you just have to taper out fin and slowly build up dutasteride in your body, take dutasteride for at least 3 months before you drop fin.
>>18606096it probably doesnt for everyone. ive done 6 months of fin and no shedding
Any of you did an implant?I did it 4 months ago. I know it is too early to see the final result but i would like to know if is too hard to pull off a mid or long haircut with implanted hair. Like the haircut will make the difference in density between sides and top appear even more?Every pic i see on internet, the guy is very short, combed back haircut.
Is there anything that I should try before going on fin other than just trying to reduce my general stress levels? Or should I go ahead and talk to my doctor? I'm experiencing some thinning, as I can see the strong light through my hair down onto my scalp now, and I'd like to nip it in the bud while I can.
>>18606621>I can see the strong light throughi mean that is normal even if you have full hair.
>>18598659I literally mix an egg, lather my hair in it, and shower whilst rinsing my hair with it and it’s unironically growing the hair on my head back. I also have reduced the level of stress I am involved with and make sure to eat healthy. I used minoxidil in the past but never finasteride. Literally just eggmax. E G G SS E G GG S E GG G S EE G G S
what a clown
>>18606634Never destroying my penis or my test via DHT blockers
>>18606621>be stressed because my hair is getting worse and my bad hair days outnumber good hair days>start taking fin>stress goes away
>>18606623Yeah, even so it is much more noticeable now. Though, my progression has been relatively slow over the past few years. Im went to about a Norwood 1 from a 0.
>Never destroying my penis or my test via DHT blockers
>>18606621Stop procrastinating. You are only wasting time and making your chances at recovery lower. This is the cure there is nothing else people will craft elaborate lies to sell you an alternative or to simply spite you, tricking you into wasting precious time to save your hair.
>>18606652>grows hair longer just to hide norwood 2jej
>>18606621dht KILLS hair follicles and fin/dut PROTECTS follicles from being killed but wont RESURRECT dead follicles.What i mean is you need to start fin/dut way before you see bald spots and receeding hairline. By that point you already have dead follicles that are only coming back with an implant. Theres no reversing balding with pills.
>>18606652Well it explains why you argue like a woman
>>18606685this isn’t really true, receding hairlines and bald spots still have a ton of follicles. Just weaker ones that produce thinner hair which is why the receding appears. Dormant follicles are not dead and can be revived. Visible bald spot and Norwood 4 can see 40-60% regrowth. Norwood 2-3 60-80%. Only when the scalp becomes shiny is it truly over. The follicles are completely sealed and scar tissue has covered. Not even a transplant will save that.
>>18606720Well i took dut and min for over 1 year and saw 0 regrowth on bald spots.
>>18606632Are you black
>>18606733It took me almost 2 years before it rapidly started filling in. Just when I accepted that I would need a transplant to get rid of it.
>>18598659This ugly face with a twink haircut is so funny. Like Danny Devitos face on a woman’s head.
Left temple peak barely fuckin holding on lmao It's been 1 year on fin and 8 months on min and i've gotten nothing but further recession
>>18606979nah it looks cool like WoLhttps://youtu.be/4tyuIh12_HU?si=1zlNSJpVu860pX8u&t=35
So I shaved my beard 3 days ago and it's still short, short enough that I don't really have to razor it. Usually 2 days after shaving I already have a scruffy 5 o clock shadow. I've been on finasteride for like 5 days now and this is one of the possible side effects.Holy shit I was getting nuked by DHT and I'm so glad to see this shit is actually working. Godspeed brehs we're all GMI.
>>18606986Switch to oral min and take 1mg fin every day. Get labs done if this doesn't stop
What do you guys think about rosemary oil?
>>18607527meme oil
>>18607527barely as effective as 2% minox. just get minox.
>>18607527Consider this. Human civilizations been around for thousands of years. We have shoved just about every single herb and bug into our mouths in the hopes it was medicinal. The ROMANS had contraceptive herbs. If there was genuinely a natural remedy to hairloss, we would have found it. It's not out there. It's genuinely a new innovation only possible with industrially-manufactured pharmaceuticals. Anything else is luck, snake oil, or buying time but not fixing it.
has anyone else here noticed increased hair fall during washes after they've applied hair oils?my hair becomes dry and looks lifeless when i wash my hair with keto shampoo and a conditioner once per week (each kept on scalp/hair for 5 minutes), so i've been applying hair oils before for the past few weeks, and it looks like my hair fall has gotten worse and my hair's not looking any betteralso any updates on pp405? or thoughts on that new treatment option clascoterone?i'm not seeing much regrowth despite being on 2.5 mg dut and 2.5 mg min for over a year nowi just want my dense hair back, this shit is so discouraging
>>18598659Got a new brand of 5% minoxidil cause my old trusted was out of stock. I checked the label and thought eh, it's isopropyl alcohol, how bad can it beBig mistake. Minoxidil based on alcohol fucking burns my cheeks when I put it on. Old trusted was based on oils so I got complacentHow the fuck am I supposed to get through this 60 ml fmlFor my beard btw, not hair
>>18607945I also just remember I paid MORE for it
4 months into min im almost back to norwood 1
>>186078285mg min and maybe try topical too
Hey /balding/ what are your thoughts on the GT20029 and Clascoterone phase 2 trials? Two very promising drugs that may be approved by 2027. I'm a NW2 diffuse thinner and haven't started fin yet, really want to avoid it. There's a chance there will be a viable alternative in a year's time so I might just hold off.
Fugg it I think I'm going to be a cotton headed FINny muggins. I don't want to lose my hair needlessly, and I've probably had my DHT increased needlessly anyways from various factors. I have long hair but my hairline is sitting at about 3 according to this chart. I don't want to look ugly. I don't know how much looks matter, but I'm lead to beleive they matter A LOT, so I've come to realize it might be flat out retarded to actu like they don't. Part of me has thought it's a vain concern but I don't know about that. May it be blessed.
>>18608300Bro you're not gonna have any follicles left to save if you wait till either of those drugs reaches FDA approval.
>>18608300Every research chem is a "promising drug" until redditors actually get their hands on it and it just turns out to be yet another fin-lite with a bunch of side effects ranging from fucking with your breath to stopping your heart.
>>18608300>I'm a NW2 diffuse thinner>alternative in a year's timeyou'll start taking fin when it gets much worse and then cry about not taking it sooner
>>18608305Not being bald is one less thing which will be used against you in basically every form of social/professional setting. If you don't care about your hair then you clearly don't care about yourself and it's that simple.
does stopping oral/topical min cause sheds?
>>18608616Yes you will lose your gains
Free paintbrush? In my wristwatch? ..
>>18608300>and haven't started fin yet, really want to avoid ityou DESERVE to go bald lmaoimagine actually listening to a bunch of retards on the internet instead of seeing the various clinical trials in various countries showing that fin sides are only 1-2% and they go away when you stop the drug. there is absolutely 0 rational reason to not use fin especially when you've never used it, so you don't even know if you'll get sides
>>18607828ive noticed something similar. my routine is keto once a week, i do it on friday so the next day im not at work no one sees my hair the way it is. I apply a shit ton of conditioner which weighs my hair down after application. i have to do another shower with no conditioner to get my hair to not look dry and style correctly.also a shit ton of hair comes out when i use both keto and the conditioner.
>>18608300>There's a chance there will be a viable alternative in a year's time so I might just hold off.LMAO bro, it's not a covid vaccine in peak pandemic, that shit is at least 5 years away from it being prescribed by your everyday dermatologist. Just tank the fin side effects if you really dislike the idea of going bald, even genuinely life changing drugs can take up to 2-3 years to get proper FDA approval + decent distribution
Is an electric dermapen worth it?
Thoughts on once a week dutasteride?
Have any anons tried adding spironolactone to minoxidil?
>>18609148>>18609149>>18609154NGMI
>>18609457bald cope
>>18609149thrice a week is the least you can take while expecting results
>>18609149Why bother? Just take fin every day at or shave it at that point. The virtue of dutasteride is that it is dose dependent, one can usually expect even better results by going above the typical 0.5mg/day dose with only a trivial risk of sides.
>>18609497That half life though
Curious about getting a transplant, how long does it take for your head to stop looking like it's infested with maggots?
>Finasteride is metabolized by CYP3A4. Grapefruit juice would significantly increase finasteride's serum concentration and half-life, drastically amplifying both its effects (on hair) and its side effects (hormonal disruption, potential for post-finasteride syndrome). This is a terrible idea.Someone please try this I want to see
>>18609890What the fuck even causes that
>>18609890>>18609916It's normal apparently. It will heal
>>18609890>>18609916That pic looks infected.The scab crust comes off after like a week.
>>18609909grapefruit and dutasteride is an even more powerful combination, you might as well be on spiro
Year progress. 1,25mg Finasteride + 5% topical Minoxidil morning+evening
>>18606720>Only when the scalp becomes shiny is it truly overwhat does this mean
>>18610118Jesus kid that's really good, how old were you when you started?
>>18610149When the skin on your scalp gets shiny that means that hair follicle has been covered by scar tissue. There's no room for the hair to grow.
I have cats and worry about topical min exposure. I know oral route would make sense but how safe might this be in regard to heart health? No known heart problems in my family at present but how might a past instance or two of an irregular heart beat play into this? Too risky? Thanks Dr./fa/
>>18610194no i mean the shiny part, how you define thatthis here >>18610118 could look "shiny" to me for example
>>18610208There's a clear distinction, hair with working follicles has a matte bluish appearance because there are hair follicles underneath the skin, completely barren, bald scalp color matches the rest of your skin, it also turns really greasy and shiny because the hair sebum ducts keep doing their thing even when there's no longer any hair to absorb the oil.
>>1861019229I started to use minoxidil when I was 28, but it alone did not give me the desired effect.I started to lose hair around 22, but unfortunately I was too dumb and did nothing against it. While my crown did regrow now, my temples are dead beyond repair. Extra hair from the top covers temples so it is hard to see on the second picture how bad it actually is.I have long hair, so I need to pay extra if I want to avoid having the area around temples. Donor area has to be shaved anyway, sadge
>>18610221I wouldn't lose hope on the temples if your results are that good. Can you at least see the miniaturized hairs there or is everything completely gone? If you got good results with 1.25mg fin you could jump on 1mg dut, keep the min going and maybe microneedle the temples so there's a change the hairs there are stimulated and start responding, you can stop microneedling once the hairs switch to terminal
>>18610202You should be totally fine taking 2.5mg min until VDPHL01 comes out and then you'll be pretty safe from heart problems
>>18606652>I grew my hair back guys!>only change is he wears his hair like this now to hide his temples
anyone had side effects from oral fin but not oral dut?
anyone else take 2.5mg oral minox twice a day instead of one 5mg pill?
>>18609890the maggot look is gone after 8-11 days when you remove the scabs. You don't start seeing results until around 4-6 months. It takes about 12-15 months to see full results.
>>18610409It has been known to happen but it's likely psychosomatic, dut blocks way more DHT than fin does
Genuinely seriously considering oral min soon.Historically been scared of the sides but 0.5mg duta has done fuck all, fin has done fuck all, 5% rogaine has done fuck all, and now 15% minoxidil with 0.25mg tret baked in has done fuck all. There's this new minoxidil sulfate product but idk if it's legit.My balding is advanced and the DHT lowering drugs didn't reverse any of it, even a little bit. I have an HT schedule in June next year and really think a boost to my hair could help a lot with the outcome. I think I'll give this 15 min a shot for another month or two at most and then hop on oral min 2.5mg to start.Fuck it, man. YOLO. If I get a heart attack it's bad but it's not the end of the world, I have perfect heart health and I'm young.
>>18610452You can't have a heart attack from those dosages lol. At the very worst some people get dark circles under their eyes at around 5mg.>>18610431It's what I do but with 3.75mg total.
>>18610477>You can't have a heart attack from those dosages lol. At the very worst some people get dark circles under their eyes at around 5mg.yeah I feel the serious sides reported for LDOM do not have robust direct causal evidencesomeone once said people who experience heart failure on it have rheumatoid arthritis already, and what kind of people tend to get that disease? etc.
I've been on both oral minoxidil and finasteride for a year and have not had much results, yet I'm still maintaining (i'm fairly certain)Should I switch to dutasteride, or increase my minoxidil dosage?I also have pretty bad psoriasis (or some sort of dry scaling and dandruff) on scalp, but the actual areas that are bald, mainly the crown and hairline, don't have any of that, so I'm wondering if that's contributing at all to my lack of results.
>>18610530What are you trying to regrow?
>>18610530>>18610535nvm didn't read. A lot of progress comes between year 1 and 2. If you still don't see any for a few months then switch to dut
>>18610281Unfortunately no progress on temples whatsoever. As I said, temples started receding since I was 22, it has been 8 years now. I am surprised the crown held so long without medication.The only way to fix my temples now is TURKISH AIRLINES
got my hair transplant in 4 weeks bro, this is my final hail mary otherwise its so joever
I noticed a while ago a full hairline is important for framing facial aesthetics as it makes your facial features pop out more. Just wear a head band or hat backwards and you'll see.When you see bald people you noticed their facial features sort of disappear and all you see are eyes and lips.
Anyone had improved cosmetic results from increasing the dut dose? What is stopping me from trying a higher dose is that it can get pretty expensive, so much in fact that I believe mesotherapy would be cheaper (at least where I live).
>>18611328higher dut dose does get rid of more scalp and follicle DHT, it doesn't cap out at 1mg like finasteride, but if you'll get cosmetic results then it depends on your baldness I guessin my country I can find companies that will make custom pills of at most 1mg dut for almost the same price of 0.5mg pills, so if I wanted to take 2mg it would be just 2 pills daily which would be about $11 a month, instead of having to eat 4 pills every time. maybe you could find similar companies in your country
started minox 5% lotion and keto shampoo todaylooking into online appointment for finrationale: if my hair goes, my dick goes too anyway. i was scared of side effects for years. sad, really. probably a norwood 2 +/- some denial. thinking of taking my hormones and thyroid checked as a reference before i begin fin.i like to think any anti-aging strategy goes for hair as well. anti-oxidants, sleep, clean food. sort of motivated actually. thanks lads
>>18611328>mesotherapydoes the syringe injection thing in the scalp work? if it works i could try it in a nearby city
Love how there's always one of these fucking retards in any Finasteride thread on the various boards
>>18611410nobody's trooning out to get hair you faggot fuck off
>>18611444unfortunately many actually are, willingly
how can i comb my bangs 50/50 wothout creating a part?
i think i might have a weaker erection on fin but im not sure. would it likely be worse on dutasteride or nah? i kinda wanna switch anyway
>>18611560Pretty hair brother I always see you say you fixed your hair but you post this bs image. Like let’s get a pic of your hairline and crown in depth. I will never believe anything you say till then and I recommend other frogs do the same.
>>18611463You barely have hair. No one will notice ngl
>>18611429If people actually follow this advice they're going to get the Joe Biden hairline.Also meds are trivially cheap in the US.
>>18611387I'm sure it works to a degree, but I haven't seen results from people doing it as an adjunctive therapy. My dermatologist listed it as an option so I think I'll try it next year. From watching Haircafe's videos it seems that minoxidil mesotherapy is better than dutasteride mesotherapy. My protocol will get really redundant because I'm already on both oral and topical min.
If I hop on fin, get a shed, then decide I can't deal with the sides and stop, will the shedded hair come back?
>>18612289Yes, it will come back miniaturized because you're a fucking pussy and still getting nuked by DHT.
I'm a month into fin(0.25mg)+min(5%/once a day) and I don't feel like I shedded one bit
>>18603702>me? I'd like to try it but interfering with my body's natural processes via artificial means just seems outwardly risky. It's not a decision I'dBest choice I ever made was oral min and finmy hair wasn't even that bad, just a few thin spots, and some miniaturization.im only on 2.5 mg of oral min for a year and a half, and oral fin (.5 mg every other day) and my hair has regrown so much, I knew once i saw my hair started falling out like crazy (shedding) that the results were going to be good, once you have a few sheds it means your hair cycle is restarting, I also noticed the first hair shed was all thin hairs, second and third it was way thicker hairs, now my hair has much improved volume and body, a lot stronger and more vibrant, my scalp is white and not red anymore
>>18612303>0.25mgYou are barely "on fin"
>>18612318yeah but what about the "5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%." written in the OP?
>>186123201mg/day fin will typically reduce scalp DHT by 40%. Fin does have significant drop offs in marginal returns, the dosages actually studied and prescribed for hairloss are >=1mg/day for a reason. Also dutasteride, the stronger 5ARI, is dose dependent.
>>18598659what do i ask the barber for to get a haircut like this?
>>18612334You typically dont want a barber to cut your hair like this, its more of a salon thing, look up medium layered haircut, or 80s layered haircut, its complicated cut ive been cutting my air this way for over 20 years, basically you cross section your entire hair into 4 sections, leave the side sections longer and shorter on top of the head.
>>18612304Why was your scalp red to begin with? Seb derm? I'm going through something similar where my scalp is red, have random pimples, and my hair is shedding. I'm skeptical about min getting rid of those symptoms.
>>18612379that or some Telogen effluvium, either way it really helped it. I had almost no success with topical min, I guess I had insufficient sulfuric enzymatic transference.where it was once red, (on the crown area, i had no hairline recession, it was itchy and red and now its turned white and so much hair is grown back, you cant see through the scalp anymore. significant improvement and such a low dose leaves room to go up or switch to dut if the situation gets worse..I am 33 and my hair is back to being full, it is turning grey though, especially along my hairline on one side and then diffusely, dont know if there is anything to help other than dye which i wont do
>>18612320Different dosages were actually studied in the 90s and 1mg was significantly more effective than even 0.5mg for regrowth. I don't know where this myth about suboptimal dosages being just as effective come from because as far as I can tell it was debunked before fin was even widespread.
>>18607482Yep Im on 1mg fin every day. Considering dut now. And as of THIS morning started oral min. Pic related used to be a lot more hair density just six months ago. Now i dont even see baby hairs sprouting. >>18609149Need at least 3x>>18609148I would say DONT mess around with microneedling. It can lead to scar tissue that permanently messes up hair. growth and even the ability to hair transplant. Its very overrated. If youre going to do it, do it at maybe <0.5mm and not very often.
>>18611386Go for it man. Best of luck... dont be in denial, ive heard that pp side effects will go away after you stop fin anyway.
Are anons still drinking topical min (2 drops in water) or is there a source for quality low cost oral min?
>>18612453A lot of people do
>>18598659time marches on. recapturing your youth becomes harder and harder. one day you will look like one of these dudes which is arguably worse than just looking like your average 60yo.
>>18612473we're just trying to keep our hair bro, it ain't that deep.
>>18612453I've been drinking 4 drops a day since june last year. Works fine.
>>18612334it's a wig.
>>18612473the issue is that if youre caucasian you have a high likely hood of going bald in your 20s or 30s. that's prime. no one's here advocating filling your cheeks or getting face lifts.
>>18612569A lot of black people go bald too, probably equally as often as caucasians
>>18612570depends on the african but african americans definitely do since they're mutts.
>>18612320>>18612324>>18612401I used to believe in the dosage dependency thing but it's only for serum DHT. for scalp and follicle DHT specifically, for some reason it's pretty dose dependent when you go look at studies, and dutasteride blows finasteride out of the water
>>18612593 I just read the first part of my post and it makes no sense, ESL moment lol. I meant that I used to believe that lower doses had basically the same efficacy as higher doses, but it's only for serum DHT and not scalp DHT which is what actually matters for AGA
>>18612593I guess I'll try getting a prescription for 5mg fin in the future and cut it into quarters . I'm pretty poor atm so I don't wanna spend more than $40 a year on fin alone (that rounds up close to $100 with min purchases included)
If i had side effects from 0.25mg fin is it delusional to think of trying oral dutasteride and thinking i might not get sides?
>>18612669How the fuck do you get side effects from such a low dose? Are you sure they're not caused by something else?Second, yeah try dut.
>>18612594Yep it matters a lot. With near perfect accuracy if someone claims fin is not working they have decided on a suboptimal dose because they are better and different. Those who still get positive results on low doses would have insane results if they upped to the standard dose.
>>18612737Honestly idk but i did get very gnarly side effects i stayed on it for a year or so then, now im using topical fin 0.25% with zero sides, im thinking maybe i was slightly fat or something but not all of them seem to be from that though so yeah maybe i'll give dut a try once i get very lean, i heard stories of people getting sides from fin but not dut so thats interesting.
Today I took 1mg of finasteride, 0.5mg of dutasteride, and 50mg of spironolactone and I felt fine.
>>18610637You need like 2-3 hair transplants to go back to how it used to be, plus it can and it will fall back again unless you start talking fin and min, it's not like the DHT is just gone because you got minor aesthetic surgery
>>18612895You do this everyday?
Been on topical min for 2 months, started fin today. I have not yet been able to observe any effect from the minoxodil, so perhaps I'm a non-responder. How can I evaluate the effects properly from the different medications? Should I attribute any change in the coming ~1 month to min and for 2+ months to fin? If I notice any sides, should I stop taking fin immediately?
Post inspo
>>18613017Seriously one of the best hair transplant results out there and of course he's on fin.
>>18613019Ty, time to moisturise my hairline.
>>18613019Not a transplant, partial hairpiece
new thread: >>18613072
>>18613043This is peak male?
>>18613004Bro, peopel wait at least 6 months for a change, and you expect something visible in 1-2 months?Starting fin is always good idea, minoxidil promotes growth, but does not stop balding, fin does it. So keep it.I wish you luck on your journey
>tfw when whatever this area is called doesnt grow, even as a child so ive looked like im balding my entire lifeso unlucky. now that my hairline is actually receding now i just dont give a shit about meds
>>18614532it's the anterior temple point. and yeah I don't have it either it's the final key to good framing only way to compensate is have a huge island on top of the scalp which I had when I was younger but when it receded it was over.
