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The Fragrance Groups 101 Chart

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The Fragrance Flowchart for Beginners

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>>18614539

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Great incense-forward fragrance, but the performance of it is terrible. It barely lasts 2 hours.

>>18614560
It has a very acrid, burnt resin note that I can't stand, and it's especially prominent in the beginning but never goes away.
>barely lasts 2h
Either you're going anosmic to it or you have a very unlucky skin chemistry, it's a pretty high concentration and the few times I wore it it lasted way longer than average.

>>18614565
>or you have a very unlucky skin chemistry
Doubt it, because it doesn't last on clothes as well.

>>18614569
You're becoming anosmic to it then.
Spray it once on a tissue or shirt and leave it in your room when you go out, it'll most certainly still be easily noticeable at the end of the day.

>>18614558
what frags does xe wear /fa/?

my bet is any Diptyque

>>18614560
>the performance of it is terrible
Such is life in an IFRA world
>Extrait de Parfum
I know companies won't do it for obvious reasons but the quality of oils should be considered when showcasing such daring concentrations, it is a marketing scheme at times.

>>18614573
Also this, some of us really can't believe it will happen to us but it does, it is quite normal.
Some Terenzi frags are like this, Orion smelled like a shitty 30 minute chump yet people kept saying it was projecting strongly after 6 hours or so. I didn't believe it until i smelled a friend from outside his car.
With incense i think it would be strange for it to last only 2h, it's a cheap ingredient that also needs to be restrained.

>>18614587
Her jewelry says J'Adore or YSL Libre but her hair, attitude and skirt say some sort of Valentino or Prada, perhaps the Black Opium line.
Doesn't look like a boutique frag dudette or arab dupe gal, seems more of a designer girl

>>18614587
Not a Perfume

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What fragrance does he wear guys?

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Wore Portrait of a Lady casually again.

>>18614631
Portrait of a lady

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Redneckmaxxing fragrances?

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>>18614544
The best men's frag of all time and it is not close

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>reddit club

>>18614730
brutal

>>18614748
its a good fragrance though right like i dont even think its that overused either

>>18614754
It is great, but I don't want you smelling like me

>>18614726
by the fireplace is better

I just boughted Liquid Brun

>>18614775
insane that you could also solve the captcha

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>>18614730
>everything I don't like is Reddit

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>>18614775
Good for you

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I miss it so fucking bad.

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SOTD Boss Bottled

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This has been my signature fragrance for a year now thanks to the recommendation I got from here. I know this site sucks balls and some of y'all can get really mean but this board has been a great help :)

If you know of an upgrade that I can try (I love grassy, tropical frags), please let me know!

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What does he wear /frag/?

how do we feel about walk the sea by kerosene

i wrote the shop a request for refund on multiple 80s frags, they suck ass, simply put. Thanks for the recs I guess, but neither reddit, fragrantica, in-app reviews or anything gets you ready for the unfiltered stench that can take over the area in 1 spray.
If the modern first world has 1 thing right, is aversion to strong smells, alcohol, tobacco etc

>>18614724
Fucking hate this guy and jelly roll
Wiggermaxxing country crossover is a truly new cultural low and so nakedly cynical
On that note, try Stetson Legend

>>18614748
kek

>>18614726
Jazz club smells like those old root beer barrel candies
>>18614770
By the fire place just smells like burnt marshmallow

Neither are really befitting of a man desu

is there a frag that smells like the first few seconds of nautica voyage? its the most refreshing aquatic thing ive ever smelt

>>18614825
Guerlain Vetiver has the same vibe but only the EDP version (which sucks)

>>18614869
Lots of Escada fragrances have that opening, but most are marketed towards women

>>18614825
>green, less tropical
H24 Herbes Vives, maybe Beau de Jour or Zino for the denser and thicker and more vanillic counterpart, maybe Green Water, maybe The Botanist by MiN.
>more tropical
Curaçao Bay.

>>18614881
Thanks. Beau De Jour looks promising, might try it once I find it in the store. Curaçao Bay notes are nice too.

is it true that in japan you will be fired on the spot (and therefore driven to suicide) if you show up wearing cologne to work?

>eros edp
good stuff

>>18614824
me too, anon

Casbah vs. Bois d'Encens
What do I get myself as the end all incense frag?

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>>18614902
>What do I get myself as the end all incense frag?
there is no such thing
sample frags from the guide and make a decision for yourself, yw

>>18614904
Casbah and Bois d'Encens are the two incense frags I've enjoyed the most, I'm looking for personal opinions about those rather than lists of things to try out.

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>>18614726
Honestly? it's a piece of shit
Marketing-wise it's not even close to a jazz club, which were canonically wood bars with cigars, bourbon and leather, perhaps cleanly-shaved artists (old style lavender).
It's a sweet frag with a small tobacco leaf note, which is different from dry tobacco, and the booze notes are from sweet spiced rum rather than whiskey or a woody barrel, speaking of which the woody notes are minimum and the rest is generic considering the Armani and Azzaro counterparts. Also 6 hours at most for that profile and price? nigga please
If it needed a name it would be Latin Old Man Gay Club, it's not a Jazz Club and name aside it's not up to par with its rivals. Fuck you.

>>18614775
For example this is a way better frag, been hunting for the "Limited" extrait version but i am afraid it was really limited.

>>18614825
Seconding Herbes Vives, way better IMO. The Voyage series is also pretty decent, the EDP """Pure Perfume""" in particular.

>>18614844
You are gay i guess, stick to Ariana Grande bruv

>>18614817
What's the problem?

>>18614861
>Neither are really befitting of a man desu
the drydown of by the fireplace smells like your clothes after a night at a bonfire so the opposite actually

>>18614972
Under the Stars is like that too. My gf likes wearing that one.

>>18614888
>Beau de Jour
It's discontinued. Don't buy anything because of fomo but it's important to be informed.

>>18614987
hi original jazz club poster here and I like BTF but after having aged so long (I got all of these in a discovery set in like June of last year) it's picked up this strange synthetic sort of smell that makes it much less appealing to me than it did new.

I really wanted to like Under The Stars but the drydown is far too leathery and lasts unusually long on my skin. From The Garden was a treat in the Springtime though.

>>18614817
Eau Pour Homme is very nice, smells great after a shower and while it's clearly not of this time it the right amount of vintage without being off-putting. It doesn't last all day but I honestly wouldn't want it to.

been a few hours after i applied the montblanc legend
honestly feels very generic, i think it gets mogged hard by "modern" fragrances
thank god i bought a small decant

>>18615022
its a fierce clone so yeah its gonna be super generic and smell like every mall during the 90s but theres nothing wrong with that

>>18614844
>>18614918
They wrote back, basically to go fuck myself. I'm not gay, did not expect old classics to smell like expired victorian medicine and a homeless junkie who pissed his already shitty pants.

>>18615093
ain't that what old people smell like though?

>>18614198
>>18614407
>>18614212
>>18614224
oh my I am fucking retarded

I read that as silver not aqua and then described silver
aqua is fresia with grapefruit freshness
kinda like an extremely cut down cool water and it works in the highest of heat

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>>18614748

>>18614888
do not buy bdj
buy zino as not only is it cheaper it is importantly better
>>18614828
beaufort tonnere
>>18614890
not true, they just execute you on the spot

sotd uhhhhhhhhh uhhhhh boss bottled night I guess, I'll spray some in my room

>>18614844
>>18615093
I don't get why you don't name the frags, there is a lot of variety in old fragrances.

>>18615139
BdJ is more herbal and less earthy, Zino is thicker and way creamier.
I personally like BdJ much better, and every comment such as
>w is better than x
>y is shit
>indians and reddit love z
is from overcompensating americans who can't help themselves turning everything into an overly simplistic us vs. them ball game.

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>>18615003
Also the latest batches were shit, bad performance and that's saying something because BdJ was pretty good in that regard.
>>18615203
They are different enough, Zino suffers from a base note that smells like burnt something, i can't quite pin what it is, BdJ doesn't have that but suffers from a dry synthetic citrus in the opening. All in all i rather use Guerlain Heritage.
>overly simplistic us vs. them ball game.
It is true that sometimes a frag is better than the other, some frags are shit and that indians-reddit sell some frags as gems when they are actually just normal stuff or hypeshit. I don't know what's the controversy with this.

>>18615022
>honestly feels very generic
It is generic because it's a dupe of a timeless classic from a recent era: >>18615060 A&B Fierce, arabs dupe it better tho, Legend EdP being an exception because it's pretty good but it goes into another direction altogether and 2022 reformulation is shit-tier in performance.
You are a seasonal sodomite if you wouldn't use a perfectly good classic frag.

>>18615093
>"I'm not gay"
>Proceeds to write gay shit
Stick to Billie Ellish little bro

>>18615131
Aqua really is something, i don't like it but at least the Quorum line plays by its own rules in today's trends, Silver standing as the least impacted because its profile is not used often.

SotD: YSL Rive Gauche pour Homme, amazingly blended, novel but shit-tier packaging. An oddity for its release year, 2003, as it smells like something from the mid-70's. Nowadays i could see Cavallier releasing it as a men's reply to LV's tribute to the mid-century floral powders, Imagination.

Should I check out the original Kenzo Pour Homme?
I don't care for the Bischslop ones.

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take the obsession pill you fucking queers

>>18615218
Sure, if you like egg white calone and dry synthetic citrus and woods
Not an insult, some people really do like that and Kenzo Homme line is great in that regard

My asad elixir and club de nuit untold arrived in the mail today

>>18614855
Jews aren't white, so he'd be a jigger not a wigger

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>>18615219
Its nutmeg+patchouli combo is too damn strong, and the cheap dupes somehow are even longer lasting, i had the Belcam dupe and it lasted 10+ hours.
The quintessential old man in plaid's ballsack smell, also the zoophilics' choice since 1999 and it seems it's because that musky base might be the civetone content.

>>18615203
I shit on bdj and love zino as a refined euro
what now chud

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>>18614587
I was on the train today and as I was exiting it, I walked past three different women wearing YSL Libre. Women are sheep, so she probably wears YSL Libre as well.

>SOTD Heritage EDT

>>18614817
I just got a new bottle. It's still good.

>>18615243
The fuck are you talking about, it's been discontinued for over a decade. Even the silver bottom bottles have been gone for a few years.

>>18615247
NTA but the silver Eau ones are still on Amazon, 80 dollars the full bottle

>>18615003
>It's discontinued.
It's not.

what's the most pickly sandalwood apart from le labo

>>18615219
Guerlain Heritage a better take on this style.

Can't decide between Versace Eau Fraiche or L'Eau D'Issey for a cheap Summer freshie.
Might just get smaller bottles of both.

>>18615219
tried this at a friends place, was really underwhelmed by it

>>18615279
at a "friend's" house, huh little faggot?

>>18615218
Kenzk PH EdT is like getting slapped in the face with sawdust. Its very grating. O hear the EdP is much better

lil bro be like, "this fougere from the 1800s smells dated" while he wears gourmands that smell like chocolate invented thousands of years ago

>>18615257
>trusting Amazon 3rd party vendors
Its even worse than eBay

>>18615280
Whats going on man? Rough time recently? Wanna talk about it?

>SOTD
>yesterdays Kouros

I smell so fucking good this thread has become entirely redundant, I think I'm cured lads

>>18615281
Yeah that's why I'm asking about the old bottle, I assume it doesn't have that sawdust note from the akigalawood. The current EdP is extremely potent but one dimensional if you don't like that smell.

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im a clone chad

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I gave away my miniature bottles, now I kind of regret it now.

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SOTD Bvlgari Man In Black

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>>18615139
>boss bottled night

>>18615261
It's not listed on their site so it's discontinued.

>tfw you always put on a cheap neroli scented cologne when you were a kid up until 15, so when you tried out MYSLF you're not impressed by it and thought it smelled mid

>>18615268
Eau Fraiche is designed to be reapplied 100x a day

>>18615268
Eau de Rochas Homme, if you love citrus

i just like smelling like food
what's wrong with that?

>>18615283
Not an argument, it is for sale

>>18615263
>pickly
wat

>>18615268
Armaf Aura Fresh, a dupe of Eau Fraiche but lasts thrice as long, harsh opening as the arabs replaced the IES with some cedarwood synth but it dries down way better and anosmicfags can smell it too.
Or Eau Fraiche Extreme, overpriced but it's pretty good

>>18615279
>underwhelmed
Performance-wise the oldie version was a marathon runner, its dupes are still absurd performers but scent-profile wise it is played out because many perfumes of old were patchouli bombs.

>>18615287
New batch? you are tempting me. Try Hugo #1 if you liked Kouros, more aggressive in its pissy notes but cheaper.

>>18615306
There is nothing wrong with a faint whiff of curry but usually with you people it's more like being waterboarded

>>18615300
It smells like cat piss to me, TF Neroli Portofino has nice opening but the neroli smells like dried cat piss on my skin after an hour

>>18615306
I love smelling like pastry and I hate to admit it, call me fag or whatever

>>18615298
It's one of the best in the Boss line, sadly it lasts one hour, extremely shitty performance for what is one of the manliest scents made last decade along with Aqua Fahrenheit. Would've been a classic if they had dialed the oil concentration.
Funny how that violet leaf + lavender + cedar profile went extinct with the IFRA 49, it lasted like 7 or 8 years only and arabs can't clone violet.

>>18615306
>>18615309
Realistic gourmands are for women, it is gay but so are half the men's frag lines nowadays. And half the men if we are on that topic.

>>18615281
The EdP is amazing, and quite different to the EdT, which I don't care for.

>>18615282
>>18615282
Chocolate as we think of it today was invented in the 19th century.
>>18615299
It's still listed on their UK/EU site.
>>18615307
>Armaf
Stopped reading there.

>>18615317
It's crazy that Indians tend to hate gourmands and boozy frags, so I'd rather wear that and be called gay or wigger

>>18615307
>Not an argument, it is for sale
>its for sale so it must be legit
Fine retard, blow your money on chinesium counterfeits, see if I care

>>18615322
Hate to break it to you like this...
but the 1800's Was the 19th century
zoom on you crazy diamond

>>18615322
>It's still listed on their UK/EU site
No its not

>>18615339
>see if I care
You should, because they are legit and you are just butthurt you got told.
Often discontinued fragrances get sold at discounters and they disappear years after the actual stoppage of production. For example right now Aramis has been stopped for a while but you can easily find it at any discounter.
>>18615345
You are only supporting his point, bubba

SOTD: TF Soleil Neiger // Al-Rehab Full
I love smelling like a preserved Catholic saint

Any recent cops?
got myself Veloptuous Oud from Bianchi, Colonia and Ghost in the Shell. also got Autumn Vibes as a Christmas gift for my gf

Buying from ebay is a gamble, especially with the rise of AI even verification photos can still be faked. Better buying off a reputable discounter

>>18615354
AI images are easy to spot. There are way bigger issues and tells. I wouldn't be on ebay if I wasn't looking for rare discontinued shit, yes it's a gamble but I have yet to be burnt.

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>>18615352
>Any recent cops?
No, I'm broke.

>>18615346
Yes it is.

https://www.tomfordbeauty.co.uk/product/beau-de-jour-eau-de-parfum

>>18615354
Money Back Guarantee dude, if it has that you are okay
Or not, recently indians have been handling that system and they are part of the scam too, they also delete the bad reviews so 99.9% is meaningless sometimes

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>>18615352
This is my recent purchase, really happy with it. The next one is either going to be Fat Electrician or Hermes H24 and all the flankers. I'm always on the lookout for deals.

>>18615350
By wearing Arabic fragrance?

>>18615371
Jasmin sambac is not culturally Arabic in my country

>>18615354
It's not a gamble if you know what to look for. A lot of dumb people buy from accounts with less than 100 transactions thinking they're getting a steal.

If you buy from accounts with thousands of transactions with near 100% rating, AND its close to retail price, the likelihood is quite low you're getting scammed.

Plus, eBay will refund you if it's fake, regardless if the seller accepts returns.

>>18615379
I'll take an account with 99 transactions and 100% rating over an account with 99% rating and 10000 transactions.

>>18615410
wow you're quite the business strategist

>>18615354
Theres really no other option for vintage hunting outside of niche faceberg groups and in-person expos where you will quickly be priced out

Buying from actively moderated FB groups is the way to go. I don't mind buying an open bottle with 5 sprays missing for 30% of retail price

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>>18615349
Sure thing man. You're right, go ahead!

>>18615416
Excuse me sir? You forgot my (You)

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Any of u tried flea markets for vintage and discontinued fragrances?
I think I have to try some. Maybe I'm going to strike gold, but I do think this "hobby" became insanely mainstream recently, like retro games a couple of years ago, so Now is probably the worst time.

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lol @ buttravaged pajeetoids covering for their overlords and deleting my post
Stick to deleting strictly illegal content Mandeep Dikshit, men are talking here
>>18615332
Like i said, i agree that i rather be called a gay Fred Durst, a funny John Waters-looking Ultramale-wearing creep even, than a desi.

>>18615379
>Plus, eBay will refund you if it's fake
eBay has been letting buyers down a lot in the past year, perhaps a punishment for all the shit people did to sellers over the years. At least in terms of production gear like audio stuff, in terms of frags the parameters you mention are indeed very rarely duds.

>>18615415
>no other option for vintage hunting outside of niche faceberg groups and in-person expos
You just have to interact with people, it is what it is. Europe vintage perfume groups are goldmines, mad jelly seeing the absurd deals they get, no one serious would buy retail if they saw what they sell there.

>>18615417
Thanks bro, we are all going to make it

>>18615419
>but I do think this "hobby" became insanely mainstream recently
Past thread it was mentioned that this recent trend has been covered by mainstream media and even has a wiki page, even comedianfags in social media talk and review frags out of nowhere.
>vintage and discontinued fragrances
We are not that deep into that hole yet, kids these days go for hype arab dupes and hype designer shit, the "fancy" stuff is hype """"niche"""" frags that are designer slop hidden as luxury items. Vintage and perfume making are still obscure enough to explore, my experience with flea markets is that the bottles are with stale top notes due to being poorly stored. A garage sale is a much better place to find good stuff.
Some Goodwill and Salvation Army stores in very fancy neighborhoods also have some frags, friend of mine landed an old Cartier bottle in one of those.

>>18615424
Young women here line up out the front of Target to buy viral tiktok $5 clones of already cheap $40 frags. It's crazy how much it's all blown up across every age group recently. From dupes to 13 year olds saving up for a bottle of Imagination

imagine wearing anything other than krigler

>>18615419
>>18615424
>>18615429
How tf did frags become mainstream like this?
Why is every hobby/interest going to shit?
At least I still have photography where the price of gear filters out the mainstream who are happy with phones (and I'm happy for them having enough for their needs)

Sprayed a lil bit of CdG Serpentine just now to remind me of summer.

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This has all the notes I use for my diy essential oil frag when I was young (sandalwood, musk, mint, eucalyptus).

They stole this from my mind, fucking CIA muggers

>>18615440
I have a theory normies crave that autistic hyperfixation hobby, but they're too midwit to go deep in the iceberg (ex. only watching famous anime, only wearing mass appealing safe frags) hence the hobby turns to shit

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I bought this and regret it.
You can tell by the packaging and design of everything that this is the same shit they released over 30 years ago.
I'm guessing the title is at least somewhat a self-aware joke about her marriages. Never buy scents without smelling them first.

>>18615429
>$5 clones of already cheap $40 frags
That price range is too big to ignore, i would do it too just to test a profile.
>>18615440
>How tf did frags become mainstream like this?
Pandemic marketing schemes that turned out great for the sellers, same happened with video games and other hobbies. People got really into online buying and items with small charges like frags, ranging from 15 to 150 dollars, coupled with collect-a-thon FOMO tendencies from younglins started this mess.
Also vast majority of people like frags and want to identify with one.

>At least I still have photography where the price of gear filters out the mainstream
You are kidding, photography "went to shit" with video specs because quite frankly current cameras take pictures just as good as 10 years ago, Nikon's ISO64 hasn't been surpassed since the D850 and 16bit RAW files are still a Phase One thing, Sony's 60+mp sensor also is 5yo by now, in terms of pure photography we are stagnated and camera bodies are flimsier than before.
In terms of lenses we are set, we also have dupes with the chinaman lenses but at least they are pulling way forward with decent stuff like the f0.95 stuff. Sadly the whole "microcontrast" vs. clinical sharpness is our comparison with IFRA vs. vintage formulas, at least we can still get some of that in lenses.
And let's not even talk about film and digital compact cameras, those have been inflated massively and memes aside a good compact camera is hard to find under 500 dollars.

>>18615454
Counterpoint: the playing field has been leveled and your $5,000 photography nerd gear is not getting you images any better than any cheap phone can reproduce.
>You really can't get anything good under $XXX
Bullshit. It's been over for you guys. Even my high school photography teacher from the 90s with the SLR loaners and the darkroom and the stinky fluids, he has embraced what's possible now and what almost every smartphone is capable of. Hell, even back then he would say things you wouldn't expect, like "you can get great sunset photos using Polaroid".

>>18615454
Sensors and camera bodies aren't exciting, you're right
All the action is in the lenses nowadays with Sigma doing great stuff and sometimes Viltrox who try to cover all price points
Photography definitely needs new entry-level stuff. You'd think zoomers and normalfags buying up all the old CCD point n' shoots would signal to camera manufacturers that there's a market there. Look at that shitty "kodak-in-name-only" keychain camera. That thing is crazy popular for some reason.

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>>18615451
>You can tell by the packaging and design of everything that this is the same shit they released over 30 years ago
Which means it's good, so cope about accidentally getting a more floral and powdery Obsession for Men dupe
>the title is at least somewhat a self-aware joke about her marriages
I think it was more about the acting but it is ironic, also indeed it is a gamble to buy scents blindly, at least you can trade it with your scent buddies.

>>18615451
Looking at the notes of the female counterpart, it reminds me of the first time I tested Dior Poison while we were staying at my grandma's, women's fragrances back then really has that weird off-putting note, I think it's the heliotrope and oakmoss combo that makes weird anisic paint-thinner smell which I can detect too in Chanel No 5

>>18615459
Yeah! What is in it that gives it that kind of sweet smell? Obsession has it too. But for sure there's the "powder" aroma. I don't know what that is either, but I remember it from an air freshener years ago.
I don't know how to describe it but 'Passion' just smells cheap. And not just because I know it was cheap. I'm sure it wasn't so cheap back in the day. Maybe it's something that degrades over the years. Or it's concentrated.
It's just WAY too strong. And it leans feminine too.
I should take a picture of this really retarded 4-pack of "designer scents" I got from Amazon. They're like test tube sized bottles. I haven't opened them but the whole box has that hair salon chemical stench.
I have been buying such stupid shit online lately. It's gotta stop.

>>18615440
Why are you retards acting like fragrance is some niche, underground hobby? Everyone gets fragrances for birthdays and Christmas, and they have a huge sections at department stores for fragrances. Are you fags going to get mad when normalfags "discover" shoes too?

>>18615451
That bottle reminds me of the shoulder pads and hairstyles that were around when it came out.

>>18615463
lol, nice.
Yeah, I'm new to this board and it's funny how protective these guys are about things they think they're the authorities on.
All taste is subjective. We can all laugh at Axe body spray of course, but someone digs it and that's okay too.

>>18615457
>your $5,000 photography nerd gear is not getting you images any better than any cheap phone can reproduce
Stop talking mister, you do not know what you are talking about at the slightest, perhaps in video i would heed your words but in terms of pure photography you can miss me with that appallingly ignorant declaration.

>>18615458
>Sigma
I don't know man, Tamron and Viltrox indeed seem more interesting with the designs and Laowa with the innovation. I am more of a Cosina guy so i am pretty much set with what i will get later on, except those overpriced Zeiss dildos.
I don't like Sigma rendering but it's almost flawless in professional settings, i will be one of the first in line if they ever pull that Foveon FF sensor.
>there's a market there
They seem to very slow to pick those trends, other companies are quicker but because i suppose they cater more to socialfags.
The shitty Vivitar compact that is in most Walmarts, that piece of shit that would've been laughed at in 2008, is actually a best-seller so the market is indeed there. Olympus would make a ton of money if they re-released the Pen and the 1.7' compacts, even Panasonic who have perhaps the best zoom compact aside from the Sony RX100
It's just a ton of missed opportunities i don't get, only Canon seems to get it but they are retarded enough to make them Japan-only products

>>18615461
>What is in it that gives it that kind of sweet smell? "powder" aroma
It's patchouli but they mix it with a little bit of nutmeg and musks, civetone and civetol i suppose, but there's more to it like sandalwood and in the case of these frags also cinnamon. Not a fan either, i respect it but it smells too warm and like old man dried sweat. This is the era where they wanted to hide dry sweat, in the 70's it was hiding fat funk from the butt and vagina and in our current era it's all about the curry and shit hiding with oud and spicy amber bases
It smells cheap because it's overused.
>WAY too strong
Good.

>>18615463
>Everyone gets fragrances for birthdays and Christmas
Don't be obtuse, back in the day with those gifts and the occasional retail buy anyone had at the very most 4 or 5 bottles, nowadays kids have 8 bottles, i bet anons here upwards 15, some dedicated anons have 25+, some others have more than a 100 and i know a couple of anons who do, that shit was considered literal richfag tendencies yet here we are.
>going to get mad when normalfags "discover" shoes too?
Niggers are well-known for their tennis apocalypse in the mid-2010's, nowadays it's normal for a pavement ape to have upwards 10 pairs of sneakers in their closet. That isn't normal either but there we are again.

>>18615465
>they think they're the authorities on.
We are, seethe
>All taste is subjective.
Wrong.

>>18615469
>you can miss me

LOL, who uses that phraseology? Seems like a very "urban" kind of saying.

>>18615469
I detect it from Lapidus PH, whatever chemical they’re using for the honey note has that 80s pissy scent. sometimes I wonder if it’s actually civet disguised as honey because both are animalic urinal cakes but the latter is less controversial

>>18615474
Oh, you're a racist.
And the second part of your post is just contradictory snobbery.
>MY opinion is correct and yours is wrong. "Seethe" about it.

You people will be virgins forever for a reason.

>>18615449
Ur so special for purchasing and wearing a perfume accessible to everyone. Ur so special for watching an anime everyone can watch. Wow. Anon.

>>18615475
Point still stands, your high school teacher is a very optimistic, pragmatical man perhaps but he's joking if he thinks a small 2.3 sensor will compete with a 35mm scan or a APS-C digital shot.

>>18615477
Lapidus has a bunch of piss honey synth but the sweet shit in it is also the patchouli+santalol+civetone, they were the bomb bases of the 80's like mentioned previously.
Ingredient peddlers mention the synthetic honey ingredient being phenylacetic acid, honey-like with civet and rose nuances, so probably that's your spice.

>>18615478
Non-arguments in your post, cry about it kid, virginity is not a bad thing and virgin is not an insult unless you are a manwhore with no qualms.
>contradictory snobbery
It's short declarations based on experience from facts, some tastes are simply better than others and some people can discern the differences, the rudeness will continue until morale improves.

>>18615482
>Phenylacetic acid
“I heard that one before, I just can’t remember where…

Oh, from breaking bad. the containers with the bee symbols make sense.”

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Whatever this cap is made of is coming apart and has left flakes of glittery foil on my hands and everything near.

>>18615503
Looked it up, looks like a Sauvage dupe

I've never in my life been satisfied long term with a cheap knockoff fragrance or any weird upstart brands.
Is it just purity? Is it heavy on alcohol and so it evaporates faster? Why does the good stuff have that subtlety? You know it's there but not overpowering. If there are experts here they should be able to answer that.

>>18615507
Most designer brands hire perfumers,food engineers even to perfect the fragrances. They make thousands of test samples before releasing it into market, and have access to special ingredients no one has seen but God

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This one must have busted in transit. It's empty and stank up everything, possibly damaging the lid of that other one.
Ive seen and smelled enough that I'm going to get a refund not a replacement. The 'Night Lure' wasn't terrible smelling I guess. I'm not really a cologne guy. I just use Adidas and I used to like ck1.
If I found the perfect scent I wanted to smell like I should just drop the actual $120 or whatever it is and know I got the good stuff. And then you just do one spray and kind of walk into it, right? I heard that somewhere. Or do people really spritz like 3 shots on their arms and neck? I know nothing.

>>18615263
Nothing else I can think of has that sour/pickles accord with sandalwood, though as with most Le Labo frags Santal 33 doesn't smell much like sandalwood and the pickles accord doesn't come from it.
>>18615306
It's a preference like any other, nowadays it's just in fashion as a women's thing.
>>18615322
Hot chocolate made with cocoa from the new world still smelled like chocolate though.

>>18615257
No it's not

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Looks like Rogue may be going the FOMO route like everyone else.

“The first release and flagship of Rogue’s new Reserve Collection: an all-natural interpretation of Mousse Illuminee, built on dense treemoss, champaca, rose, frankincense, patchouli and real Siberian deer musk.”

Supposedly 100% natural, which in this day-and-age is questionable in and of itself. It’s interesting, I don’t actually know the legalities of using real animal musks like civet, castoreum, or deer musk. I always assumed they were banned under IFRA, or is it just not used due to avoiding ethical pushback and limited resources?

No pricing as of yet, but I have no plans to blind buy it after getting burned on his Absolue De Mousse anyway, so it likely doesn’t matter.

Speaking of Absolue, he’s also discontinuing several frags, including the Absolue De Mousse. No love lost there. Probably sold like shit because it smelled terrible and nothing like the original namesake. Sad to see Rostracto go however. An Anon and I were just discussing this back around Black Friday how it’s likely not a big seller and it wouldn’t be surprising if he discontinued it. Spoken into existence, unfortunately.

Also holy fucking shit this new captcha sucks.

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>>18615420
>men are talking here
>jeets this jeets that
>something I might or might not have read but haven't verified about ebay
>btw this popular recent frag? I'm sure indians love it so if you like it you're bad
Take a break man, you don't have to comment on everything and have a strong opinion on everything and endlessly write stupid baseless shit to fit in.

>>18615544
IFRA only applies to Europe anyway. American companies only tolerate IFRA compliance because most of them outsource production to France, Spain or Italy.
Independent perfumers lving in America and selling to Americans, like Rogue, can do whatever they want.

>>18615507
You haven't tried the good ones.
The reason why good ones are so rare is that less time and money are spent on producing good frags, resulting in rough approximations of the original juice.
>if there are experts here
There used to be one but for his own sake I hope he fucked off, this thread gets worse by the day and keeps filling with people who very authoritatively talk about frags they've never smelled.

>>18615548
Does distributing through e-retailers like Ecuacion Natural allow him to bypass the IFRA regulations in EU? Genuine question, not sure how that works.

>>18615544
>I don’t actually know the legalities of using real animal musks like civet, castoreum, or deer musk.

You can get natural animal essences but it's very expensive and the supply is inconsistent.
Getting actual deer musk is particularly rare. Hunting musk deers is illegal so you have to harvest small amounts on sedated specimen with a catheter. Houses using it produce very small batches and it reaches very high prices.

>>18615557
I don't know, some eurofags itt could probably chime in but my assumption is nobody cares about one guy selling a few bottles every year.
If there's a euro retailer involved the IFRA could lodge a complaint, but they probably have more to deal with right now considering the arabs are breaking every rule and selling millions of bottles every year.

>>18615563
all Rogue frags are IFRA compliant

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to the anons that recommended megamare a few days ago

I quite liked it
at first I didn't 'get' it, but as I was walking out of the store I stopped and suddenly got a smell that reminded me of the sea somehow
that was strange
it is also much less offensive than I was expecting based on reviews

thanks for the rec!

and to the seemann reloaded rec, I will have to order a sample when I will have money, but it sounds very interesting and is relatively cheap

>>18615567
This fragrance reminds me of playing with sand castles by the beach when I was a kid. Cozy salty air with cool sea water. 2 hours away from Patong Beach, RIP to the victims of the earthquake and tsunami in 2004. Glad you like it, anon.

>>18615572
Are you Indonesian or Filipino?

>>18615574
Aussie
SOTD: Escada Pour Homme

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>SOTD: Jeanne en Provence Néroli Intense
so fucking good, you can also have it for about 15 bucks, can't wait for the weather to turn warm again

>>18615307
>New batch?
Yeah, blind bought it on Monday based on recs itt.
I over sprayed on Tuesday and still had a decent cloud all day yesterday from my jacket.
In contrast I sprayed Explorer this morning and it's either gone or I am nose blind to it in a few hours.
Really happy with Kouros's staying power for an EDT

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What should I wear tomorrow? Al-Rehab Lord or Lattafa Asad?

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>>18615317
>it is gay but so are half the men's frag
This is Valentino 2026 limited, basically the same notes as expensive scented anal lube

>>18615594
Sounds based af and you sound like a stuck up crybaby.

>>18615298
I seriously do do this
just such a fantastic violet frag
I'm open to suggestions of alternatives though

>>18615312
>sadly it lasts one hour,
maybe twoo but yes
small projection and it barely lasts but I don't care since it smells so good

>>18615459
>getting a more floral and powdery Obsession for Men dupe
is that what obsession smells like?
I kinda wanted to get it but I might not now

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Fragrance with this feel?

Fragrance for a cute Filipino boy for hanging out with his blond blue eyed 6'7 friend?

>>18615604
Etat Libre d'Orange Philippine Houseboy (duh)

>>18615518
>If I found the perfect scent I wanted to smell like I should just drop the actual $120 or whatever it is and know I got the good stuff.
if you don't care for your money sure, if you do use the discounter websites in the OP to get a better deal

>And then you just do one spray and kind of walk into it, right? I heard that somewhere. Or do people really spritz like 3 shots on their arms and neck?
not even close
walking through a cloud of fragrance is basically wasting the frag

depending on how much you wanna smell you can do anywhere from 1(sissysprayer) to 40 or more sprays(dousechad)
you can spray on just about every part of your body except for the face and dick and if you get kissed the neck(frags are very bitter in taste)
you can spray on most clothes but be aware that staining can occur but it depends on the colour of the juice and the material and substances used

>>18615605
Almost forgot about that one

>>18615594
can't wait to check this out

>>18615481
He is if his particular journey led him to discover that by himself and he can argument what he liked and/or how he deduced he would like it.

>>18615501
>>18615503
Brother you just bought literal chinaman dupes that are only made with top notes and alcohol, no wonder you are disappointed. The only thing worse is indian dupes but those at least are full bottles and serve as bathroom deo.
I bought a couple not that long ago and first time in more than a decade that i got a rash, they were Guerlain but smelled like Carolina Herrera juveniles.

>>18615507
Define cheap and define knock-off, arab dupes are often better than their original counterparts aside from the initial blend aspect of the top notes, but indian and chinese ripoffs are extremely rarely any good.
>or any weird upstart brands
You haven't tried good ones, which is difficult because when they get their reputation going they are no longer upstarts.
>Why does the good stuff have that subtlety?
Blending, that comes from good perfumers which are usually pros at what they are doing. Do not be deceived, many frags of "the good stuff" are also horribly blended or are merely too simplistic in their phases.
>You know it's there but not overpowering
Heavily depends on the blend and formula, i can think of many good frags that have simplistic and harsh note profiles.

>>18615518
>And then you just do one spray and kind of walk into it, right?
>One spray
This isn't the 80's anymore, frags use very weak or diluted aromachemicals in their compositions nowadays
>I know nothing.
Heavily depends on your use, if you mean casual outing then, with modern fragslop, you would shoot 2 and 2 on your sides of the neck, perhaps only one on each side if you want to be subtle and then another one in each shoulder. At about 5 to 10cm from the point of contact, if you have shirts with thick collars then one or two there for good measure.
Back in the day frags were strong as hell so you only needed 2, not anymore.

>>18615538
>Hot chocolate made with cocoa from the new world still smelled like chocolate though.
Canonically chocolate form the new world smelled heavily of spices because mesoamericans blended their pearls with them or slightly off because amazonians fermented it not precisely well enough.
I think a confusion might arouse from the fact people nowadays identify chocolate with cocoa + milk + sugar, add to it that americans also have this tradition of adding vomit notes to candy bars (butyric acid) because it doesn't taste like chocolate for them if they don't add it, this because back in the day chocolate went stale on the shelves often and the milk fat (butyric fat) oxidized and made the thing smell like vomit.
It is an odd thing, that's why Hersheys and other american chocolate bars are seen as low-tier outside the US, Snickers and some others get a pass because they are caramel chocolate but lately they are also low-tier because they replaced the caramel with corn syrup with artificial caramel flavoring.

>>18615544
Fucking Cross, i had my fill with him, i wanted to message him about perfume books and such but he is getting more and more diva lately. This jewish FOMO thing is dastardly.
>the legalities of using real animal musks
Illegal to get them but not to use them
>I always assumed they were banned under IFRA
They are but like anon said they regulate European market places and by default retailers in general, Walmart dupes in the US and Canada do not abide by them that's why they are particularly good but many american brands follow them to sell to those markets.
>after getting burned on his Absolue De Mousse anyway
I remember that, good to see you and a shame you never liked it enough, i do recall you defended Cross a lot like me because i do think MI, FAube and BM are top-tier.
>Spoken into existence, unfortunately.
FUCK, and i was planning to buy some of them but got into some other household shit.

>>18615547
Sure thing Rajeesh, whatever you say man

>>18615544
>Sad to see Rostracto go however. An Anon and I were just discussing this back around Black Friday how it’s likely not a big seller and it wouldn’t be surprising if he discontinued it. Spoken into existence, unfortunately.
That was me. Sorry I manifested it.
Luckily, I bought a full size a few weeks ago.

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>>18615565
Supposedly the first batches from his first stuff weren't or didn't need to like Chypre Siam

>>18615594
>Valentino
lol, gayest shit out there and sad because BiR originally was pretty good, a much more sober Invictus. Reformulated and hypefagged to shit.

>>18615599
Unforgiveable by Diddy has some of that ozonic birch leaf, dry lavender and cedar, at least the old bottles, some other note at the top that went stale but it's slightly bitter and powdery rather than acrid like some citruses do.
That's it, the other recs are discontinued stuff like Zegna Uomo, Aqua Fahrenheit, i recall an extremely shitty performing frag that had a majestic initial spray, such a shame, called Iconic Blend by the brand Original Penguin, the round bottles all smell great but they have appalling performances, we are talking about 30 minutes.

>>18615600
>is that what obsession smells like?
Old man powdered patchouli with spices and animalic sweetness. It's really not for everyone but it's a classic profile of the ages.

>>18615544
>>18615622
Damn, looks like Derviche I & II and Vetifleur are also out the door. What the fuck Manny

>>18615626
probably no one bought them

>>18615550
Name some good ones.

>>18615617
>indians again
Case in point.

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>>18615575
>Escada Pour Homme

>>18615648
Arabian Incense, Abraaj Viking, and Coastal Salty Forest if you consider Zara's frags cheap knockoffs.

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Miss or hit?

>>18615617
>>18615626
They’re still in stock for the moment, and if he keeps his word they’ll stay stocked through December. After December he’ll hold any stock he has until it’s sold out then won’t produce any more, so you’ve got ~half a month minimum.

>>18615603
none, vegeta definitely doesnt shower

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i dont think toy boy smells all that good and this is coming from a rose chad

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Sotd Bugatti IconiQ Gold
Best scent ever, my scent of the day for 5 days in a row

>>18615694
What are your favorite roses chad?

>>18615688
>vegeta definitely doesnt shower
Canonically no but post-Namek one of his most famous scenes was him literally showering
Toriyama was a mentally ill man or a sadistic creator

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what smells like this body wash so I can prolong that fresh clean feeling all day?

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SOTD: FM L'Eau d'Hiver

Very elegant, pretty scent. It smells ethereal, calm and pure, like a snowy landscape. I'm mostly picking the heliotrope.
However I'm somewhat bitter about the price. I wont spend +300€ on second-skin frag, I really like it but this is way too subtle for that price range.

>>18615719
amber aoud
lady vengeance
hermann
noir de noir
pretty much any rose that isnt cloying

>>18615631
The Derviches were one of his more popular ones though

>>18615731
Ehhh, you gotta keep in mind he has a relatively small catalog, and they probably came in at 5 or 6 at best.

Mousse Illuminee is easily #1, Bon Monsieur, Chypre-Siam, and Fougere L’Aube in some varying order would be the next three.

Whether or not they were outsold by his other products is then even more speculative, and while -I- liked them, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were sold less than something like Tabac or Targhee.

To my nose they were the most ‘modern’ thing he sold (relatively speaking). Derv2 reminded me a lot of The Most Wanted line.

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>>18615594
>coconut
>vanilla
>lactonic

>>18615780
>t. noselet

>>18615785
>t. homo

>>18615789
perfume is a gay man's game, breeders and trannies are just free riders.

>>18615366
nice. how do you find them and how are they different from one another?
i own H24 EDP. quite like it personally as a green frag. it's definitely not for everyone but it's up my alley

>>18615625
I like Eternity over Obsession. But this fucking Liz Taylor shit is just thick and damp and yeah, patchouli really nails it. I know a lot of it is just the 1989 looking box and graphics and bottle, but I swear it actually smells 35 years old.

>>18615652
For poor homies?

>>18615660
What is the "eau de" distinction here? Thanks in advance. I'm new to all this.

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>>18615723
>sea salt

'The Ocean' was MY idea!!

>>18614544
>W2C

Watusi??

Sorry, I'm new. Please explain. I'm already checking out the sites and making purchases. I'm dumb and I'm impulsive. Help me buy a bunch of shitter colognes like I did watches. I've moved on from those. Onto this.

"Fuck fish. I'm done with fish", if you get that reference.

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>>18615654
Damn. It's a lot to spend when I haven't smelled it. Where can I sniff a sample?

>>18615823
Perhaps go outside and to a Zara store

>>18615821
Leave and never return. You don’t belong here.

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So I got a discount (for an extra hundred emails a week from this operation) and I qualified for free shipping. Is this a good haul for a fragrance beginner?

I can't believe the sticker price on that Creed stuff. Damn.
I figure if I absolutely love one of the samplers I can always get a bigger one. Colognes this expensive are always usually good in my experience. I have some friends with nice collections and I always help myself to a spritz when using their bathrooms.

>>18615825
>>18615827

I don't live in a city large enough to have one.
But I got some samples, thanks.

Also, fuck off, gatekeeper incel faggot. There's no justification for you to respond to my post in that way. YOU don't belong here because you don't have any money.

>>18615830
>i'm a newfag, i don't know shit, pls spoonfeed me, thaaaaanks~
lol, lmao even
read the OP, check out the charts, read the Luca Turin guides, lurk moar
yw

>>18615828
>Colognes this expensive are always usually good in my experience.
fucking hell

>>18615830
Fucking kek.
>I'm already checking out the sites and making purchases
>I'm dumb and I'm impulsive
Trying to save you from yourself. Take or disregard my advice at your leisure. As I said, you don’t belong here.

>>18615835
What advice? That I don't belong here because I don't already "know" as much as you? Who the fuck are you? You don't belong here and you can't make me leave.

>>18615821
don't go down that rabbit hole, you'll just regret it. just go to the diptyque counter and pick something you like.

>>18615823
>>18615830
Zara, if they have a bottle.
The juice is a great replica of Acqua di Sale by Profumum Roma, so you can safely try that out instead.
>there's no Zara in my city
Hop in your car, on a train, on the bus and go to the nearest store, what kind of ass backwards excuse is that?
Besides that, it's an old frag so you're unlikely to find it in a store nowadays, so you might as well buy a full bottle at a whopping €22,95 or the burger equivalent.
>you can't talk to me like that!
I wholeheartedly recommend you lurk for two years before posting again.
>>18615828
It's quite basic and not at all varied, best to go to the local sephora or such and try a few stuff there, either with a list of things you found interesting online or with the sales bitch's help.

>>18615821
What does your watch collection look like? Based on that I can gauge your personality and tell you where to start.

>>18615791
Hell yeah. Liking cocks and men's asses is based.

>>18615745
Maybe so, but I would put the Derviches above something like Jasmin Antique and Champs Lunaires in terms of sales for sure. I'm no businessman, but my gut tells me that the bottom-line least profitable composition would get the axe first, not one that probably falls somewhere in middle/uppermiddle.

>>18615821
>where to cop
it's a pretty common phrase on this board
there's a flowchart for beginners. it's pretty decent to get started.

>>18615856
Fair, and I agree that they’re both likely above those two, not sure why something in the middle of the pack would be discontinued. Could be materials are more expensive, lack of overlap with other fragrances, possibly too far out of his choice of style…

>>18615802
They are fitting my taste very well. I'm currently wearing all of them in rotation, it's hard to pinpoint a favorite right now.
The original smells woody, smoky, and "cold," while the Extreme has a nice, soothing ambery note, which is very pleasant. And the Sport is close to the original but lemony, greener, and fresher, but it has the same DNA.
I really like how the flankers kept the original dna and added something different to it.

And i really think im gonna like the H24 lineup, never smelled them but i love me a blind buy.

>>18615871
H24 is so unique. I've never smelled anything like it, also works well on my skin. No noseblind issues.

>>18615813
>I like Eternity over Obsession
Two different things but i agree, still i don't like Eternity that much but it was also a great classic, CK was top tier in the 90's, great performance compared to nowadays.
>but I swear it actually smells 35 years old
It's supposed to, i don't mind because it's made for people loyal to that DNA and i am jelly because the shit i liked from a little bit later doesn't exist anymore or not in their original form. You could say, market wise, it is a real niche fragrance because it caters to a small but loyal fanbase.

>>18615816
Concentration of the perfume, Eau means water, in this case Eau de Parfum means a concentration around 20 to 35%. Parfum should be 30 to 45%. It's memes anyways, back in the day it meant potency of a formula, the higher the same thing but stronger, nowadays it's buzzwords to specify a different variation of a profile so EdT, EdP and Parfums are all different and sometimes don't even have much to do with each other, like YSL Y.

>>18615821
>Sorry, I'm new
Buy 2 or 3 frags and be done with, this is a horrible rabbit hole. Check the charts depending on your taste and if you have any doubts you can formulate questions, charts are a bit dusty now due to discontinuations but they are great info to start idealizing what you are searching for.

>>18615814
Are you asking for a cheaper alternative? If you are, the crux of Escada PH is the tonka/vanilla/patchouli base, it's not wholly unique but it's done so well. You can look into others with a similar base but nothing brings the other notes quite like Escada PH unfortunately.

>>18615828
nigga dont spend 17 dollars just to smell aventus. go to a sephora or something and do it for free

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>>18615723
I want to order this, is it good?
SOTD guerlain l'homme ideal EDT

I think Acqua di parma is neat, i know some anons Shit on it, but i like the dark bottled ones.

>>18615843
I'm sure if that guy was allowed to post again before waiting two years he'd thank you for all the advice.

I fucking love raspberry frags bros. Need some recommendations, I'm currently rocking Tuscan Leather but I can't buy a whole bottle of Tom Ford I feel like there's somethung better out there

>>18615850
What would taste in watches have to do with fragrances? I can answer that for you. Not a damned thing.

>>18615857
Thank you for answering. I'd have never guessed that. The idea of buying cologne being "copping" is funny. Like a drug deal.

>>18615939
>he doesn't vibematch his watch with his frag
Do you even effay?
I bet you wear JPG with your F-91W

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>>18615881
I think I came upon the 'Passion' because they're trying to get rid of it on Amazon and it actually IS 35 years old. As in, sitting in the same bottles and boxes as when it was originally rolled out. Like they're still selling the same batch.
Anyone else would have updated at least the box and the fonts even if they kept the bottles. I have an eye for eras of packaging and this is no retro thing. And I can't say I've ever smelled 'Passion' on anyone before, even older men. Who exactly is this fanbase? I remember when her 'White Diamonds' was new; I bought some for my mom for Christmas. Very early 90s. 'Passion' I think came before that. But it was never up there with the Calvin Kleins in terms of popularity. Just through cultural osmosis I am aware of a lot going on outside of my interests. I see commercials and magazine ads and billboards. 'Passion for Men' was never once on my radar. It just seems like someone found a warehouse full of it and decided this was the holiday season to mark it down and sell it. I mean, a big ass unopened bottle of brand cologne for less than $20? No one else is doing that. Taylor's been dead a while. And women's stuff was mostly what she put her name on anyway.

I don't think this was ever a very big deal. Maybe I'll grow to like it. It's just unlike anything else and has too much 'old lady' stuff in it. That's the powder I guess.

My dad used to have English Leather and that was distinct. Old Spice and EL and Brut were things he had probably because they were gifts. He never cared what they were. I think he liked anything.
Reminds me of The Lost Boys where the grandpa uses Windex before a date.

I ordered a selection of popular frags (above) and honestly that will probably last me many years. I have a full bottle of some shit I got at TJ Maxx for $18 years ago. I have my Adidas that I use.
If I could find it again, I had this stuff 25 years ago that came in a green bottle called 'Aspen' that I liked.
Thanks, you're nice.

>>18615936
Some newfags are just ungrateful, right now i've seen anons being more helpful than years ago.
But to be fair Zara doesn't have that many stores out there, my nearest store is 694km away from me per Zoggle Maps

>>18615938
>I fucking love raspberry frags bros
Do you? you will never know until you smell Carlo Corinto Classic for Men

>>18615901
I'm not taking a trip to a city with a mall just for cologne. Especially just to smell it. Why would anyone pay fucking retail anymore? I will in my hometown to local business owners if I'm going to. Otherwise I'm finding some online deal.
Nearest city with a department store or mall is 100 miles away. There's a Walmart and Costco and other stores here, but nothing that strictly deals in perfumes.
Whatever. The ones I got are popular and therefore probably pretty inoffensive and well enjoyed.
This hobby is just like watches or anything else I can already tell. One doesn't want to be too pedestrian, right? Find the somewhat obscure one that isn't too popular, but still be well-versed on everything that IS popular so you can accurately shit on it from your superior height. The more expensive it is, the better. Unless you don't like them for some reason and then you shit on it as "overpriced".

All this shit is subjective and will always come down to "buy what you like" in my book. No one is ever 'wrong'.

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>>18615959
One is visual and the other is aromatic. You aren't carrying the bottle around, so really I'd love for you to enlighten me. What, a 'leather' or 'woodsy' scent matches a leather strap vintage watch? Some orchid hued stuff in a blocky bottle (or better yet, Cool Water by Davidoff) goes with a diver watch?

Even if people did try to pair them, who the fuck outside of Sherlock Holmes or Daryl Zero is going to appreciate the combination?

>>18615960
Hell yes! They still make Aspen. I'm going to get some. Nothing takes me back like forgotten aromas. I can sort of remember what it smelled like but it won't really hit me until I smell some for real.

>>18615942
might as well be. this shit is an addiction

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>>18615960
>the same batch
If that's so i need one of those just for vintage's sake but in theory old stuff gets to the discounters as they cannot sell them as a brand after the expiration date gets passed
>Who exactly is this fanbase?
55 to 70yo macho men with powdery patchouli tendencies, think of Furyo, Lapidus PH, Balenciaga PH, Fahrenheit, Polo Green, Obsession for Men, the same kind of guy who would use Kouros, Hugo #1, Preferred Stock/Giorgio Red for Men, by that i mean the sort of unapologetic warm spicy and herbaceous frags.
Wood grain, dark carpets, cheap leather, cigarette smell in the kitchen and bathroom, beer always ready in the fridge, eggnog, butterscotch candies in the table, large coupes, shit ton of canned food just in case on the shelves, yellow tinted bulbs, rust spotted metal trim on furniture, old appliances as tables in the living room, that kind of man.
>No one else is doing that
Well, perhaps i've seen more searches but i think it's somewhat normal, i've seen Passion for Men often along with stuff like Giorgio Wings and such but i am much more into that kind of frags than other people.
>I don't think this was ever a very big deal
Agreed, Taylor was more of a women brand and a big one at that in its heyday, but the man stuff was never a big thing. They went with the trend of back then as a service product, like buying White Diamonds and also Passion for the man or a brother.
Lancome had the same deal and sadly nobody appealed to their men frags, which were pretty damn solid or at least Hypnose Homme was. Ester Lauder as a brand also has a couple and nobody cares despite Lauder for Men being solid as fuck, vintage more so but as a company Lauder flung stuff for men elsewhere, like Aramis and Zegna, sadly the newer guys at the helm are mentally retarded and are discontinuing everything. Pleasures for Men is another one, a fruitier dupe of Eternity.

>>18615938
could do Acqua di Parma leather for a similar vibe
there's also Black Saffron and Angel's Share Paradis
The Moon is also great but really expensive

>>18615964
>Carlo Corinto Classic
Saw the notes and there's leather in it too, looks like leather and raspberry go well together? Reminds me of oud and rose, or coconut and fig

>>18615979
Thanks!

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>>18615960
>I think he liked anything.
Those were pretty good in its heyday, grandpa also used Old Spice and Brut, and to be fair back then the selection of men frags was limited and few spend more to get stuff like Eau Sauvage, Pour Monsieur, Capucci pour Homme, Balafre, Guerlain Vetiver or Carven's Vetiver.
>I ordered a selection of popular frags (above)
Burberry Touch and the other vials? i think you overpaid but not really by much anyways. TJ Maxx and Ross have small gems from time to time, i can list some of the usual suspects in those places.
All i can say is that the less time you spend on this hobby the better, it is a futile addiction unless you produce and design shit and that is expensive and very limited in poorfag areas.
>If I could find it again
Still sold and it still sucks i hate it, it's like 15 dollars at Walmart, i am heavily biased because it dupes my favorite frag and it feels like it's mocking me, it's like someone using your cousin's skinned face as a mask.
Performance is crap but oddly enough there's some dupes of it despite its cheapness, one is called Carbon Edition by Al Haramain's Amber Oud line, it's not cheap as Aspen (50 to 70 a bottle of 200ml/6.7oz) but it performs way better and smells almost the same. Sadly the bottle you mention back then smelled more piney and cold fresh, nowadays it's just citrus and merely fresh.
Something similar and far superior is a Walmart dupe called Blue Depths by Belcam, it's american made without european restrictions on its ingredients so it uses some "tricks" in its composition, lasts a fuck load more and smells fresher if a bit more marine than piney.
It got reformulated and there's two variations nowadays, the one with blue juice (great) and the one with transparent liquid (good enough), the blue one is way superior but sadly you cannot know which is which without opening it, yet blue is still sold in some places.
>Thanks, you're nice.
I am trying to behave.

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I found this. So you can't even get the full 'parfum' version of stuff? I'm guessing anything I will buy will be labeled one of these concentrations. I always thought of 'perfume' to be women's and 'cologne' to be men's. Shows how well I know the terminology.
If something is labeled 'cologne spray' it doesn't necessarily mean it's 'eau de cologne' though.

>>18615984
My dad was born in '35, so he was probably as old as your grandfather.

>>18615985
Perfume used to be associated for women. Funny enough, back then women's fragrances are heavier than men with amber, plum, anise, white florals. Very intoxicating. Men's are fresher with citruses, light woods, etc. Even fougeres are made for women, but for some reason men started wearing it

>>18615968
>Why would anyone pay fucking retail anymore?
When there's no other way
>This hobby is just like watches
Not really in terms of performance but it is similar in terms of fagging around about it. With frags nobody but the most discerning noses can detect, within the same DNA profile, if you are using a designer, a good arab dupe or a niche version but 3 times as expensive. After two hours, in the air, it is very hard to do unless someone added something different and that single accord sometimes isn't worth the price.
With watches some people will look at it or even pick your hand, complimenting you, while trying to deduce what they are seeing. At the end of the day one tells the time and the other smells good, 95% of the people will not care if you use the most nigger cattle frag out there, girls may use the argument about pedestrian scents but only if they want to tear you apart anyways.
>No one is ever 'wrong'.
Wrong.

>>18615984
I did find the Aspen on Amazon and everywhere. But they changed it from the late 90s formula? That sucks. YES, it was piney. And now it's citrus? What was it ripping off? I remember it reminded me of another cologne at the time... I'm thinking Stetson, but that can't be right, can it? That was the cowboy stuff.
That's weird that Aspen ripped off your brand and other brands ripped Aspen off and yet cost more but are better. Complicated stuff here.
You seem to really know this stuff. What smells like Aspen used to? I remember having categories I'd put fragrances in my mind. Aspen was a certain kind of smell. And it even seemed like others that smelled like it came in green bottles too. Maybe I just made that association because I was a kid. Aqua Velva; that was in a category too. I was offended with Danny DeVito threw his gift of it in the trash in Twins. I liked it for an aftershave. Is aftershave subject to the 'eau de' tier list? Or is that a different sport altogether?

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>>18615989
Yeah, check this out. I legit thought all these were ladies fragrances based on the names and bottles of some. Then look at the 'notes'. Things I'd have associated with girls 20 years ago.

>>18615985
>So you can't even get the full 'parfum' version of stuff?
In some instances you can, called "attar" oils in the arab market or "extrait" with the french, sadly nowadays extrait also became a buzzword and somewhat is synonymous with what parfum meant back in the day.
>I'm guessing anything I will buy will be labeled one of these concentrations
Correct but do not be deceived, what really matters about performance is the quality and potency of the aromachemicals inside the formula, sadly that cannot be known aside from rare instances of the back of the box mentioning percentages of a certain natural ingredient like moss.
For example i have an Eau de Cologne, Aramis Devin, which absolutely completely humiliates other higher concentrated stuff in the Parfum region, like YSL Y Elixir.
>I always thought of 'perfume' to be women's and 'cologne' to be men's
Amerimutt cultural distinction, supposedly cologne is used for men because that lower concentration was mainly used for aftershave tonics.
>If something is labeled 'cologne spray'
It means method of delivery, natural spray means the push atomizer, pressurized spray is what we commonly know just as spray, it has some gas magic inside i can't explain that farts the juice out and if that magic runs out you are locked out of your fragrance. Also usually in quite low concentrations too.

>>18615986
Same years actually, it fits. He was a doctor so he couldn't use them as frags often but he did use them as aftershaves everyday.

>>18615989
>for some reason men started wearing it
I read because of the aftershave tonic tradition, they used lavender very heavily and because the fougeres were lavender-forward some men started using it as a long-winded tonic. But in theory men should've also picked neroli as it was also heavily used, in theory they did in the 60's but it got lost in time.

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>>18615993
>And now it's citrus?
It was always citrusy as it used orange, but i meant the piney, or coniferous like it's supposedly said, is not nearly as strong as before. Funny because the aromachemicals associated with that are quite cheap.
>What was it ripping off?
Davidoff Cool Water, the king of cool
>That was the cowboy stuff
Yeah, Brut/Stetson/Canoe/Wild County/Relax/Sartorial, it's the anise-vanilla-lavender profile.
>and other brands ripped Aspen off
Not really, Carbon Edition is a very rare oddity, the only one nowadays who copied it AFAIK and very few know about that. I know because i bought it and almost spat acid out of rage, the fucking 200ml bottle too. Reviewers, sans one dude, all said it was Cool Water, shows how little the cattle know about frags.
>Complicated stuff here.
It's a retarded hobby, please heed what anons say, find a perfume you are content with and bail as far as possible until you start to feel you want something else as a frag.
>What smells like Aspen used to?
Honestly i don't recall something right now, my best bet is using Aspen and layering some other frag over it like Pino Silvestre. Your problem would be performance but Aspen never really performed that well anyways, it's a eau de cologne.
>Maybe I just made that association because I was a kid
It is a marketing thing but it does correlate, "green" frags is a valid cultural genre for frags as is the "blue" frags, describing something as blue or green is common. Green usually means fougeres with herbal notes, and shit load of bottles are green in that era but not all of them smell similar.
Cool Water, or to be more specific its designer Pierre Bourdon, "invented" a new genre that smelled marine rather than earthy or "foresty", soon after they termed that as blue but nowadays that old formula would be considered green too, ironically. Aspen ripped it but placed it back on the "green" spectre with the pine.

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>>18615993
>Is aftershave subject to the 'eau de' tier list? Or is that a different sport altogether?
If we are being technical an aftershave SHOULD be a tonic with alcohol that disinfects and refreshes the skin, so it would be denaturalized alcohol with natural ingredients to cool and moisturize the face.
But nowadays aftershaves are alcohol with mostly a shotgun of synthetics that do little to help you out but that's another story, if we go by that modern tradition then an aftershave should in theory be in that category of eau de cologne because they share similar concentrations (under 8%) and back then had similar-smelling ingredients, hence the common misconception but nowadays practically it's almost a fact they are the same thing, but some eau de colognes made as perfumes from the heyday are not really usable as colognes as they do not refresh and are nuclear bombs in performance. Only a psychopath would use Devin as an aftershave.
It went full circle in theory as some old aftershaves became light perfumes, Old Spice was traditionally one of them, i would like to explore that aspect later because it's cheap and there's some cool stuff in there. Pinaud Clubman is a brand often brought out as an example, old timey aftershaves in use nowadays are called refreshing lotions in some markets, then again lotion means cream in the US so it's a terminology mess once again.
Traditionally these aftershaves and associated products were used in barbershops and hence the supposed origin of the term "barbershop" when describing fragrances, or "barbershopy", but sadly again that term became a throwaway buzzword that means little because barbershops and stylists use products of their era and each decade those things smelled different aside from very defined products. For example for me a barbershop, the ones from my childhood in the late 90's, smelled extremely close to a perfume called Alfred Sung Homme which is very different from something like Old Spice.

>>18616006
>he couldn't use them as frags often but he did use them as aftershaves everyday.

I don't see any distinction if it's the same stuff. Just your cheeks vs. somewhere else? Are we talking how much he used? I thought aftershaves were more for putting on the places you shaved for whatever reason, and that they were just scented as an afterthought. I used to get lotions and gels of Skin Bracer and such that smelled nice but were definitely for soothing skin.
I always assumed a cologne would be more concentrated and less alcoholic and topical. Are you telling me that if I put it on in the morning it's aftershave and I put it on before my hot date it's cologne even if its the same bottle of "smellum water" as my dad would sometimes call it?

>>18616018
I still have magazines in my collage boxes with those ads in them. And I remember them well from childhood.

>>18616018
Weird. I had Cool Water and Aspen at the same time in 2000 and I never thought they were at all similar. I can still tell the difference in my memory too. I was thinking of getting more Cool Water because I noticed they still sell it. I guess it's because a lot of these were rolled out as my generation was growing up and they intend to sell them to us until we die. That's neat. Sucks that you're an expert on all this and actually notice when stuff you like is gone.
I'm gonna get myself a bottle each of Aspen and Cool Water not only to compare them, but to have two fragrances I KNOW I love already. That and the 5 samplers and the 3 full bottles I already have and I am probably set until I die.

I appreciate the conversation.

>>18616038
>spicy italian aroma
would you wear it?

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So I put the Aspen in the cart and went to buy the Cool Water. Holy shit it's spendier than I remember. Now, the one in the middle is clearly its knockoff, but it labels itself as 'parfum' instead of 'toilette'. So does this mean that the knockoff is not only cheaper but also stronger?? What a deal.
Or are you going to tell me that "I get what I pay for" and I'm better off spending top dollar because the people at Davidoff are using the finest botanicals and the people at Cool Ocean are using the shittiest chemicals?
Because it seems like there are two experts here chatting with me and they have differing views on things.
Just like with the watch threads, some say 'get what you like no matter the price, some of those chink shitters are damn good', while others insist 'go with a brand name for more money, because it's actually better'.
Obviously I'd rather someone said 'Cool Ocean' is just as good as 'Cool Water', but if that's really not true let me know. I swear someone just mentioned that the knockoffs are pretty good. And according to the chart and the terminology I'm getting a lot more and a lot stronger stuff for the price.

>>18616038
That's fake. I did find "Sauvage" and "Salvage" though. One is WAY more expensive.

>watching a newfag fall into the rabbit hole in realtime
kek

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>>18616033
>I don't see any distinction if it's the same stuff
They are nowadays but back then they did have different uses
>aftershaves were more for putting on the places you shaved, scented as an afterthought
Not really, the scents came due to the ingredients, the alcohol was to disinfect and these aftershaves, tonics by design, had stuff like mint and lavender oils, the former to cool down and the latter supposedly is good for the skin and later some lab nerds saw that lavender oil does kickstart the production of estrogen and that has the effect of making your skin smooth.
Later on they added some other stuff to "blend in" the smells of those ingredients and make the experience complete in terms of scent, hence moss which in theory should not be in a skin product but smells watery and earthy, citruses because it's good and associated with clean and so on.
By trade an aftershave should directly treat you with some of its ingredients while cleaning you out, but nowadays the moss is just some synth+natural combo replacement, citruses are synth, mint is synth unless it's a short-shelf product (1-year) and lavender is also usually a synth, so in theory is just cleans you out with alcohol and according to some nerds extensive use of some of those synths might fuck your glands up like the thyroids, which is in the neck lol
Right now most aftershaves are thinly-veiled perfumes but their design approach is, in theory, different. Many men's frags have aftershave versions with nothing healthy in them nor promoting such things so it's just a big party
>Are you telling me that in the morning it's aftershave and before my hot date it's cologne
No, i am saying nowadays they are in practice the same but back then aftershaves were tonics and colognes were smelly fashion accessories. One had the job to soothe and clean, the other had the job to smell good and last a considerable time, one didn't care if it only projected for 5 minutes, the other didn't care if it cleaned or not.

>>18616043
But I haven't. I've bought all I'm going to and now have more cologne than I'll ever be able to use even if I wear some every day.
Just asking some questions while I do so. Like the watches and everything before that, it's another passing fancy; something I'll be all interested in for a couple days, drop some money on it and then get bored and move on. I've dropped the money and I'm already starting to get bored.

>>18616045
Okay. I swear you said your doctor grandfather used one product for aftershave because he couldn't use it for cologne. So you could be some other loquatious expert or I've misunderstood what you meant.

>>18616036
>I had Cool Water and Aspen at the same time in 2000 and I never thought they were at all similar.
They weren't that much but they were similar enough, later Coty (the parent brand of Aspen) bought the rights to Davidoff and reformulated Cool Water to be much more similar to Aspen, in one of life's ironies. This happened around 2007-08. Nowadays people think they are very similar but back then they were quite different, CW was quite complex but nowadays it's a parody.
Still decent tho
>they intend to sell them to us until we die
I wish they intended that, many great classics are dead and the living have been reformulated to the point of parody. Some exceptions occur but it's not the rule. Also the IFRA has put rulings that deny some of these instances.
>The conversation.
You are welcome, do not buy more frags, run as far as possible and i warn you, i spend thousands of dollars all because i didn't understand why Cool Water didn't smell the same as before. It's a slippery slope that we don't know where it ends.

>>18616041
>116 dollars
Don't fucking do it pal, i already rec'd you Blue Depths, if you buy that you are a crash test dummy. You can get CW at discounters for 30 or so if you want the brand.
>but it labels itself as 'parfum' instead of 'toilette'
It just means it uses more aromachemicals but it doesn't mean those ingredients are better or more potent, like i said there's some parfums that perform shittingly
>Or are you going to tell me that
Wouldn't do that but some ripoffs are really bad, like really shitty. Some others are miracles. I wouldn't buy the knockoff, stick to the original and buy elsewhere, that price is frankly fucking ridiculous
>they have differing views on things
You are free to discern, if you can pay the price to see who was more on the nose then go ahead but i wouldn't do it, honest to God i wouldn't because i did the same as you and i am repeating my results to you. Price varies depending on marketing and brand, mostly.

is he buying frags from amazon?
did he not read the sticky?
where is the coomer mutt?
I need a drink

>>18616055
Why can't you just respond to me directly? Yes I used Amazon. Do you think they're not selling the same fucking fragrances? The name brands you think they're selling something else than at the brick and mortar perfumium you claim to visit for all your cologne?

>>18616041
>but if that's really not true let me know
These frags heavily depend on case by case, sometimes the most expensive option is the best, sometimes it's the worse, sometimes the cheapest is the best, it depends.
CW i know the case because i've gone into that specific profile, i am still appalled to say the best dupes are the cheapest but none are quite the same because CW has had different formulas over the years. In terms of the mid 2000's to nowadays version the best dupe i've found is called Blue Depths by Belcam, in terms of the late 90's version i've found Al Rehab Champion Black behaves the most similar at first but it lacks the marine drydown, Rasasi Egra is also a good option, a more powdery version is Armaf Tres Nuit. No doubt some specialty house makes a better version but i haven't checked them yet.
And i still haven't explored all commercial tangents yet, CW is one of the most duped frags around, it was after all the best selling perfume for men until Sauvage appeared.
>And according to the chart and the terminology
It's theoretical and in practice, like i said previously, it heavily depends on the quality of the ingredients and how much they water it down with oils that do not contribute to the potency. You might as well ignore the concentration chart and stick with the average performance number after reading several reviews. It is that silly.

>>18616048
>used one product for aftershave because he couldn't use it for cologne
I guess i didn't word it well, he couldn't use them due to profession but even if he could he didn't have many options anyways and just used the aftershave for both uses.

>>18616055
And I did buy some shit from a place OP suggested. There are no rules here. I'm sure the sticky doesn't say not to get deals on Amazon.

>>18616058
So don't buy Cool Water on Amazon but also don't buy Cool Ocean? But maybe the knockoffs are okay. But try for a deal elsewhere on Cool Water.
Okay. I'm still getting the Aspen just in case I still like it. I had a little sampler bottle that lasted me years, and I may still have it somewhere.

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>>18616055
>>18616057
Goddamn, just because we talked about CW, the elixir of the men who roam this blue earth, i am going to post this:
Per fragrancenet.com, link given to you thanks to the OP pasta among many others, you can see that Cool Water, the shit that costs 116 rowdy bucks in your list, costs only 40 there, 35 without a box, 57 if you want the big bottle.
Even accounting taxes and shipping apart i think you can agree the difference is clear. Amazon is very cheap in some regards and quite expensive in others, you also have to explore many online stores apart from reading plenty of reviews to make a decision.

>>18616061
Well, if I like Cool Ocean as much as I remember I used to like Cool Water I will get that $40 bottle. In the meantime I got Aspen, Cool Ocean, and Salvage because I'm going to take the advice and run far from this obsession before I buy some Obsession.
Between what I have and the 8 new scents on the way (and the 3 shitty sample spritzers remaining after my shipping explosion and subsequent refund; they're letting me keep them), I really can't see ever wanting for anything else. I know I'll like most of them. I may grow to enjoy the Liz Taylor patchouli powder spray but probably not.
I do appreciate all the patience and insight. That's the type of expert help I give in my fields of knowledge. Not a bunch of judgment and dick posts like the less mature anons here.
Thanks again.

>>18615219
>obsession
I just blind bought this for $30 from Ross based entirely off of this post and I do not think that it is for me.

>>18616067
>I really can't see ever wanting for anything else
It's a slippery slope but you seem to have gotten the clue
>dick posts like the less mature anons here
Some anons are tired and jaded so it happens, i just returned from the mines after months so you found my explanations by chance. I hate having spent so much gold in this hobby so if someone has a passenger flirt with this and he's not "buy chemicals to design shit" serious then it's best to scare him away ASAP, it really is an addiction.
Good luck with Cool Ocean lol

>>18615939
In your self induced rage you misunderstood my post. People collect things the same way, be it watches, perfumes, video games, or Pokemon cards. Anyone with experience in overlapping collectibles and half a brain can connect the dots.

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I want a fragrance that gives the impression my foreskin is missing, what should i wear?

>>18616080
put down the rifle!

>>18616085
pick any arab slop

Genuinely as a fella with a relatively weak sense of smell all of this smells like rubbing alcohol and old spice under arm deodorant at different levels of intensity

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SOTD Al-Rehab Lord

>>18616074
lol, what "rage"?

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>>18615968
>not taking a trip to a city with a mall just for cologne
ngmi
>Find the somewhat obscure one that isn't too popular, but still be well-versed on everything that IS popular so you can accurately shit on it from your superior height.
you do get it after all

>sotd: Nicolai Saint Honoré
egg white and hazelnuts, very appropriate for the holiday season.

>>18615968
>>18615985
You've asked countless questions that could each have been answered by an online search and you've come asking questions and advice only to discount most of the answers you got because they didn't align with what you had already decided.
You should be glad you found someone whose greatest aspiration in life is to show off his knowledge at the cost of of spending time with ignorant idiots, and I really insist you lurk for two years before posting again.

ngl i kinda don't like lavender

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>>18616218
But it is so soapy and fresh. Im anon that bought kouros to replace pic related this week and couldn't be happier.

Hot take, I blame flavored vapes, that is the reason younger males are leaning towards fruity foody scents and away from fresh outdoory ones

>>18616164
>greatest aspiration in life is to show off his knowledge at the cost of of spending time with ignorant idiots
Humanity has had that kind of people since forever, more people should be like that so we don't have to spend time lurking 2 years into everything, perhaps just 1 year or 9 months.

I hate Aventus Creed, it smells like a cheap bathroom freshener.

>>18616238
feel free to hate it but i think it's the other way round - everything smells like aventus now

>>18616218
(me) posted this because i was testing the swy intensely and all i smell now is sweetness and lavender
i mean it doesn't smell bad but i had higher expectations

>>18616238
>it smells like a cheap bathroom freshener
There has to be a name for that effect but you are wrong, it's like anon said, cheap bathroom fresheners smell like Aventus rather than viceversa.
Same with Kouros and urinal cakes, Cool Water and car fresheners, Eternity and shower gels, Brut and anal lube, so on and so forth.
Also which Aventus, in practice there's two of them as what people identify as Aventus is the reformulation based on the Cologne made by Alberto Morillas rather than the original chypre from Bourdon and Herault.

>>18615964
>Do you? you will never know until you smell Carlo Corinto Classic for Men
I was about to mention it too
so instead I'll um akschually and say that the raspberry in carlo corinto isn't raspberry but is instead achieve through a clever use of rose

>>18616041
cool ocean is some third world slop
buy it if you hate yourself

>>18616260
SWY Intensely is not really a lavender-heavy frag but okay. Also hyped to death but quite linear and performance is shit, i think you simply got led by the cattle. The new Amber flanker is pretty decent tho if you ignore the price.

>>18616260
>>18616265
intensly has zero lavender

>>18616266
uhhh proof?

>>18616268
I smelled it in a store

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I really like YSL Y and have gotten many compliments. I'm not exactly sure what I like about it though.

>>18616270
lol

>>18616264
>third world slop
Culturally speaking almost all perfumes are except the ones made in Italy
>>18616266
It's a sweetslop IFRA fougere, the "fougere" part coming from the blue floral family like lavender, clary sage, perhaps in the femenine part violet, hyacinth and iris. SWY does have lavender, supposedly sage but i didn't identify it clearly, but as part of the accord that gives it the aromatic man scent, it's trapped in the middle of the vanilla-benzoin-labdanum-coumarin base and the nutty-peppery top notes.
It's not the realistic lavender nor the powdery aftershave version, it's like the 80's/90's version, there's a name for those types of lavender but i haven't been able to get hold of them.

>>18616274
>Italy
>not third world
lol, lmao even