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The Fragrance Groups 101 Chart

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The Fragrance Flowchart for Beginners

>hurr men must smell like leather and women like flowers
shut up old retard

>>18647997
did a single person say that anon or are you fighting ghosts? say what scents you like then. there are plenty of excellent "feminine" male scents and "masculine" female ones.

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>SOTD: Hermès Eau de Basilic Pourpre
a perfectly balanced aromatic green frag, the basil note is def there but not too prominent, kinda minty from the geranium note, great for spring/summer/fall, performance (at least on my skin) is good for an EdC
i bought it blind (as you can get a 50ml bottle for about 30 EUR at EU discounters), went waaaaay better than expected

>>18648001
yeah like 3 people at the end of last thread alone

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https://youtu.be/M29HrpQzHJY?si=210Gntq4vi8fi386
Drakkar Noir, all you need.

>>18648006
>sillage: moderate
>longevity: moderate
dropped

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>black currant
>some citrus
>mossy/woody notes
do i blindbuy? it sounds so good for the price

Do you think it's possible to create a new scent category at all, or is just about everything mapped out already? Not to get all Perfume: Story of a Murderer about it but we can't possibly have profiled every scent out there.
>>18647991
Surprised those charts don't mention animalics at all. No civet love? You guys don't want to smell like deer pussy and animal shit?

>>18648005
really now? it looked like they were just arguing about drakkar noir endlessly.

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This shit HAS to be astroturfed

>>18648012
Actually there's no section on blood, milk, or semen either. Not a fan of the experimental branch of niche perfumery here? Not even Secretions Magnifiques, the ultimate meme fragrance? Or Zoologist, the ultimate meme house (aside from Creed's faux historical posturing)?

>>18648010
>blindbuy
never do this unless the entire purchase is sub $25 or the local equivalent

>>18648005
>say what scents you like then. there are plenty of excellent "feminine" male scents and "masculine" female ones.

>>18648020
its 40 bucks and pretty sure i can just resell for like 38 if i do happen to dislike it (given the crazy amount of positive reviews it seems unlikely)

>>18648021
tom ford leather cognac smoke oud for men
chanel rose pedal lily flower lotus orchid vanilla for women

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SOTD: Hugo Energise
An airy citrus that opens with kumquat and red fruits, with refreshing fizzy, sweet-aromatic anisic drydown.
Smells a bit like sprite, has about 3 hours of projection. Could even be stronger in hot weather.

>>18648022
don't trust the number ratings or most written reviews on clones. 90% of the reviews are from non-whites who overspray khamrah and le male before going to class. i bought aether extrait which has a super high rating as a greenley clone. it's badly blended and has prominent cheap synthetic citrus that ruins it completely

>>18647979
it is
>>18647982
>implyign that's bad
>>18647997
who are you quoting?

>>18648012
go ahead come up with a category then
unless you are some world class perfumer making fragrances for a popular designer and you create a hit among the people with a specific structure you will not create anything new
at best you can come up with names for fragrances built around groups of notes

the chart could definitely use an animalics section (I will add one when and IF I make a new chart)

>>18648020
i mostly agree but once you really know your taste in fragrances, it starts to matter a lot less
t. blind bought antaeus

>>18648029
>the chart could definitely use an animalics section (I will add one when and IF I make a new chart)
yeah also oud and incense could (and should) get separate categories as even those are not included

I want to smell exactly like butane, like I literally want people to panic when I walk into a room because they think there is a gas leak.

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>>18648006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7r2PBq7fhA

Omigod, I love how Drakkar smells mixed with Viva La Juicy and sweat from grinding to Usher at the club! ;)

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>>18648033
there is a seperate incense chart
>oud
uhhh yeah I guess, especially since it has increased in popularity since the chart's creation but the chart also can't have too many sections
so maybe a WOODS section with a part for each of the big woods

>absolutely no clones mentioned in any of the charts or recs
some old snob made these then

>>18648034
Dior Fahrenheit
>Bonus: Black Afgano

18648037
dogshit braindead bait
i r8 -8/8

>>18648029
I wasn't trying to whine about it. I was asking if it's even technically possible or if every possible scent facet has already been categorized, like shrimp colors. Trying to think if there is any scent that doesn't really have its own category. Umami, maybe? But then ELDO Like This and Fils de dieu exist already as do many bread scents and the entirety of immortelle. Do people use durian or jackfruit for anything? I guess savory really doesn't have much of a niche outside of a few rare salt scents, bread, or something like salted mango. Maybe cheese and milk with lactonics taking over. Makes sense, would imagine most people would rather eat garlic than wear it or at least do the former for the latter.

Maybe an entire petrichor-esque category with dirt, blood, steel, etc. Tokyomilk Dark had Bulletproof but other than that I can't think of many specific gunmetal scents and hot metal smells very different than cold. Nobody tries stone either.

>>18648036
Next infographic should be musky/skin fragrances

Speaking of animalics, how would you guys class musks?
Some musks obviously have animalic aspects to them but there's also plenty new synthetic musks which aren't animalic in the slightest and are instead "clean" in various ways, perhaps metallic even.

>>18648025
>impyign
GOOOOOOOD MORNING SARS I LOVE THE DAKAR ROLL ON BUT ALSO ORIGINAL DRAKKAR NOIR SMELLS LIKE MY STREETS

>>18648040
truth hurts doesnt it

>>18648034
luckyscent used to have a massive avant garde section with scents just like this before going full normie. wonder if i can find it, if not fragrantica definitely has articles. i know fzotic room 237 was on it.

>>18647980
In that case I salute you, truly scentmaxxxxed and fragpilled

>>18648041
>I was asking if it's even technically possible or if every possible scent facet has already been categorized, like shrimp colors.
I mean the latest one is blue scents? I think?
That and sweeter gourmands is what designers have been focusing on lately. So I guess we're waiting for that one extraordinary perfumer like I described in my previous post to come up with something new.

>Maybe an entire petrichor-esque category with dirt, blood, steel, etc. Tokyomilk Dark had Bulletproof but other than that I can't think of many specific gunmetal scents and hot metal smells very different than cold.
beaufort comes to mind and that tiktok meme shit like inexcusable evil

>Umami, maybe?
>savory
you could maybe pull that to be a subcategory of gourmands in some way
I haven't seen or heard about enough of these

That said if you try hard enough you could take any frag and stretch it out to fit in one of the already established categories so you would really need a reaally fresh, really new, really different frag to have it stand out as it's own thing.

"Experimental" is a very large umbrella that covers lots of different, strange, new scents most of which exist as one offs or in groups so small you really couldn't make a whole category out of them.

>>18648043
For me musks are:
White musks (clean, laundrylike, skin-out-of-shower, bit white floral)
Dirty musks (deer musks, civet, some oud accords, honey, earthy)
blue musks (kinda rare, basically white musks with a lavender/aromatic front)

>>18648024
But have you tried Greenly?
>>18648025
>being a contrarian isn't bad
A contrarian choses their opinions not based on the qualities and merits of something while ignoring the majority, rather they choose them based on what others think.
It's just the same as someone who blindly follows trends, only they blindly go in the opposite direction.
I hope you don't think being part of the Retards A team is bad while being in the Retards B team is good.
>>18648041
>technically possible
Sure.
Some frag families have an ingredient or accord in common, but many are more abstract.
Fougeres all derive from a frag that was meant to evoke the smell of fern if fern had a smell at all, so along these same lines you could have a new frag that's meant to evoke the smell of, who knows, compact digital cameras, and have a whole series of frags that try to recreate the same feelings.

>>18648053
that's what a retarded contrarian would do
new = bad
old = good
same as
popular = most often bad
not popular = most often better

things are popular for one of two reasons:
they're actually good
normalfaggots like it

if it's popular because of the former then it's good and you can like it
if it's popular because of the latter then it's bad and you shouldn't like it
if it's a combination then it's complicated

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>these prices
take me back to 2016 please

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>>18648029
>>18648033
Time to open paint and be the change you want to see in the world.
>>18648036
>v2 i guess
That's the second revision, which you can tell by the text "Updated to 21/12/25".
The last version is pic related.
>>18648037
What would be the point of adding clones to the infographics?
If something sounds appealing and you won't buy it for whatever reason you can always look for a clone by yourself, and if you're looking for info on which frag is a good clone of what that's beyond the point on these infographics.

>>18648053
>so along these same lines you could have a new frag that's meant to evoke the smell of, who knows, compact digital cameras, and have a whole series of frags that try to recreate the same feelings.
oh we're DEFINITELY getting a whole wave of tech fragrances in the future if not already aren't we. i hope they all smell like overheating cpus, melting power cords, hot dust, and that sweet sweet ozone. where are my frutiger aero frags boy

>>18648057
>paint
surely you jest
>The last version is pic related.
thanks
>>18648058
unfortunately frutiger has been dead for a decade, gramps

>>18648054
>when someone else has different opinions from the majority it could be that they're retarded
>when I have different opinions from the majority I'm an independent free thinker
>if I like it it's good and you can like it
>if most people like it but I don't it's bad and you shouldn't like it
Surely you realize that the points you made all boil down to your own personal opinion?
SOTD: Havana Gold (but it faded four hours ago)

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>>18648059
Surely.

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>>18648059
i don't spend all day reading the aesthetics wiki. it was just to communicate the scent wafting about in here but filtered through the y2k tiktok nostalgia aesthetic retcon. the real version would have a lot more body odor and, apparently, pizza scent. demeter already has one of those, a classic, so that's covered, but where are my hot staticky crt scents?

>>18648065
>i don't spend all day reading the aesthetics wiki.
neither do I, frutiger to me fully died with the release of windows10
your pic is just a y2k LAN party
I can't see a situation where I would put it on but it would be interesting for a smell
>but where are my hot staticky crt scents?
I could see eldo makign a GiTS2 where they focus on the technology aspect more

>>18648043
clean and dirty should suffice imho

>>18648067
>I could see eldo makign a GiTS2 where they focus on the technology aspect more
pls make it happen, ty

whats a good black currant scent that doesnt cost over 7000 dollars

>>18648071
Black Afgano

>>18648071
Ribena

SOTD: Daniel Hechter Caractère
this shit is so ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS never try to cheap out lads

>>18648067
i think frutiger was dead before windows 7 if we're going to be real about it. anyway yeah the point was i want to smell real y2k lan party scent and see all the zoomers post hackjob versions of what they think the era was like like they already do since you mentioned digital cameras. hence the aero comment. zoomers have very weird ideas about y2k era and 2000-2010 especially considering how much media there is showing it in real time.
>eldo
i could see that. have they released anything interesting lately? last time i checked in was with i am trash.
nobody will ever admit this but their cologne is actually really amazing. best i've ever tried. most subversive fact in the subversive house is that their normiest most basic scent is the best.

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I gotta admit something. Sometimes I wear Coco Mademoiselle and wear on a panty under my pyjamas to sleep.

I will never tell anyone this except 4chan. I'll take it to the grave.

>>18648075
>this scent is horrible i hate it so much
>gonna buy a full bottle blind and keep it as my sotd though instead of doing samples and washing it off
never understood this

>>18648077
everyone knows, anon

>>18648077
You wear it on your panties or just wear panties in combination? If the former: don't do that. You're going to get contact dermatitis at best. Don't put scents on mucus membranes or sensitive skin areas on or around the crotch. It's the antithesis of good hygiene.

>>18648071
is there a real difference between this and blackberries?

>>18648079
I liked it in the test and hate it on a second wear, I think its the musk

>>18648057
Adding clones would be an excellent idea as its own infographic or wiki but would be far, far too time and labor intensive even as it is without considering how there are twenty gorillion clones, dedicated clone houses, oil reproductions. You could pull a Temptalia and list the closest in percentage of approximation but at this point this is just recreating Fragrantica or Parfumo. Could put a warning to not use Oakcha or Dossier if you wanted.

>>18648081
I spray it on my shirt and wear panties. But I stopped now. Don't want to get deep in that fetish. I did it in the pandemic when I was bored and horknee.

>>18648083
i have no idea, prob not? i just saw it in SNOI's scent profile but everyone keeps telling me not to buy clones so whats the alternative?
>>18648072
>>18648073
looooooooooooooool

>>18648053
If fougeres is meant to be an evocation of the scent of ferns specifically I wonder what else would be fertile ground for imagination. Dahlias, sunflowers, hibiscus, tulips, orchids, poppies. Feel like I'm forgetting something here along the lines of lilac or lily-of-the-valley, something very obvious. But then ivy has no scent, right? Does kudzu? Dandelions, buttercups.
There isn't a wildflower or greenery subsection of fragrances. "Green" scents are often more herbaceous than wildflower/overgrown prarie, or are explicitly woody or like Forest Lungs from The Nue Co which honestly really wish was more common, that specific FOREST scent rather than generic "woods" that often lean more ambery or sandalwood than anything. Needs more pine and cedar. Make the pacific northwest cool again.

>>18648083
The tartness i would describe it, sort of how cooking apples aren't sweet, blackcurrants are sour like that and blackberries are jammy sweet sticky. And blackcurrants grow on a big shrub of a thing so have the leafy sort of greenness

>>18648071
try ralph lauren purple label maybe
>>18648076
7 was the last hurrah and the last taste the zoomers got of frutiger that they could conciously interact with
>since you mentioned digital cameras
oh, I'm a different anon
>last time i checked in was with i am trash.
fragrantica shows a few frags like GiTS for example

>>18648089
>the nue co
what happened to functional fragrances neway. wasn't this supposed to be the great ushering in of functional frag. water therapy was dead on arrival and forest lungs isnt even sold in travel anymore. guess the essential oil mommies didnt want to shell out $125 for tree therapy when they can smell like diabetes and victorias secret from discount bath and body works. suxx cause it was a cool idea

>>18648089
>Dahlias, sunflowers, hibiscus, tulips, orchids, poppies.
aren't those just soliflores?

>>18648084
do you hate it when spraying or when the top notes dissipate? i always love top notes and then want to scrub when the heart and base hits later on. something about most bases doesn't work for me. i blame patchouli and sandalwood being in fucking everything

WHAT IS A GOOD BERRY SCENT LIKE SOMETHING REALLY FRESH AND STUFF

>>18648096
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?!

>>18648071
Cedrat Boise Intense

>>18648091
I was going to mention Purple Label as well, but it has blackberry in the official breakdown.

>>18648098
>leather
and for that reason, I'm out.

>>18648092
Victoria's Secret owns Bath and Body Works now. That's why their frangrances abandoned all pretense of being descriptive and became "One Thousand Kisses" and "Shooting Stars on the Fourth of July" and yet all smell the exact same headache-inducing toxic chemical shit. At some point in the past few years they caught onto Tiktok and now proudly have half the store being clones.

I was in there two days ago to scan their 75% off seasonal dumps (scored a milk spray and a honeycomb one amongst others). The brand new display is like 12 open knock offs that they specifically named to be obvious and say it's the same scent for less money. I swear to god Touch of Gold smells EXACTLY like either Messy Sexy Just Rolled Out of Bed, What We Do in Paris is Secret, or And the World is Yours. I think it's the last one but would need to buy fresh samples to test. It's crazy how the limbic system works, the second I smelled it in store my eyes rolled back to the exact memory like it was fucking Ratatouille. It's driving me nuts that nobody is mentioning this online anywhere because it's such a vivid match.

>>18648096
AVENTUS

>>18648099
why are you geh

>>18648094
I thought soliflores were defined by being simple replicas of specific scents. The ones I listed are scentless, that was the point.

>>18648096
(The real answer is to smush berries on your wrists picking them off bushes and fields and then go make a yummy cobbler so you smell like berries, the house smells like cobbler, and everyone gets a tasty dessert at the end.)

>>18648103
>I thought soliflores were defined by being simple replicas of specific scents.
of the scents of flowers
>The ones I listed are scentless, that was the point.
fair, I've seen frags that are imaginations of how such flowers could smell but I'm not sure if I'd seperate them into their own category but subrgoups?
floral -> soliflore -> soliflore imagination?

>>18648090
hm. interesting, i always found blackberries eaten off the bush to be quite tart. even in containers from the store they're far more tart than raspberries. i would say blackberries have a leafy greenness...
now i have to go make sure i havent been gaslit my entire life into eating blackcurrants thinking theyre blackberries...

>>18648102
gays wear lots of leather, therefore wearing leather scents can be associated with being gay

>>18648096
I have an old bottle of >>18648023
and would consider it berry-adjacent.

But if you want Blackcurrant specifically just buy aventus and stop being poor

>>18648107
>bush
sounds like blackcurrants, blackberry grow on a viny thorny briar

>>18648105
Yeah, of flowers. But those are scentless just as ferns are, I guess, but fougeres are listed as being based around attempting to evoke the scent of a fern if it had one. It's an interesting topic. I bet a sunflower would be very interesting to try to evoke since it would necessitate creating artificial "warmth" to emphasize the sun part. (Maison Martin Margiela Replica had a shortrun filters series with this in spray oils, Glow was the sunny one, there was also Blur). Dahlia too, it could go in the direction of the black dahlia if you wanted to be edgy like many indie perfumers (why are so many indie oil companies goth? not just alkemia and black pheonix alchemy lab, solstice scents, hexennacht, arguably deconstructing eden and death and floral). "Soliflore imagination" is a pretty cool category. I guess CB I Hate Perfume and more specifically Demeter already do that.

>>18648111
nah i looked it up they look nothing alike, it was definitely blackberries. i've never seen them on viny thorny briars, just bushes. i think they're listed as seedless varieties. it was the special treat of sticky southern summers to eat them off bushes and suck the juice out of honeysuckle growing wild in all the ivy and kudzu.

>>18648113
>the sun part
I was about to post an image of d&g light blue sun ph but fragrantica appears to have removed the "sun" note from the breakdown
also sunflower made me think of the seeds, eaten raw or roasted

>I guess CB I Hate Perfume and more specifically Demeter already do that.
I remember (or misremember, sorry it was a long time ago) that in some fragrance documentary posted in this thread CB appeared and said that he "creates memories" or something like that and he gave an example of his aunts tomato garden as one
and I'm conflicted in saying demeter makes fragrances since in a way they do but in a way some of their releases barely qualify if at all

how do you justify spending 3-400 dollars on a scent that only you yourself can smell if you attach your nose to the spot you sprayed it on?

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>>18648117
>how do you justify
1. perfume smells great
2. i don't give a shit about others smelling the frags on me
3. i don't spend 400 bucks on a single frag
4. stop being poor anyway
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!

born in roma edt is the only good valentino fight me

>>18648116
Sunflower seeds as a scent is a pretty interesting concept. I haven't tasted them in a long time but have some in the cabinet, I think they're pumpkin spice themed though as leftovers from last fall. Might have to go buy some fresh unflavored ones and see what you're talking about.
>CB appeared and said that he "creates memories" or something like that and he gave an example of his aunts tomato garden as one
Yeah. I mean he owns Demeter too. That was the entire thing, to have Demeter as a fragrance library of specific scents and I Hate Perfume to be recreations of specific memories. Replica completely ripped him off and wasn't remotely sorry about it, incredibly sleazy on their part especially considering the specific memory you are citing was a personal one and Replica does more generics. I have a ton of his releases in tiny decants, let me see if I can find your exact one because I remember what you're talking about.

>>18648123
>https://www.cbihateperfume.com/103

The Scent
"The shining green scent of tomato vines growing in the fresh earth of a country garden"

THE STORY
"What does a child remember?"
I remember sitting alone, hidden in a vast jungle of vines.
This was when I was very small before such a thing as Time.
I recall the sun, warm on my face, and the dark earth, cool under my bare knees.
But most of all I remember the bright fuzzy leaves that surrounded me and kept me safe from the world. They tickled my tiny fingers as I petted them. This made me laugh and I was enraptured.
I remember hearing my name called in the distance. Someone had noticed I was missing. Most reluctantly, I crawled from my new Secret Place. Grownup voices had absolute power to compel and I sensed I was in trouble...
But as my small head poked out from beneath the tomato vines where I'd been hiding, I looked up into my aunt's face high above me as kind and warm as the sun overhead. She smiled and said, "There you are! Come and have a cookie." I crawled out of the vegetable garden, she gently took my hand and led me back to the house.
Long years later, I easily recall my aunt's smile. It is indelibly linked to the smell of the tomato vines around me, shimmering and beating like a cloud of butterflies. And for my whole life, the smell of tomato leaves instantly brings to mind my aunt, her gentle, loving nature and her boundless kindness.
What does a child remember?
"A child remembers kindness."

>>18648124
VS

>https://www.maisonmargiela-fragrances.us/fragrances/replica-eau-de-toilette/replica-from-the-garden/MM1355.html

Fragrance description:
From the Garden is an uplifting unisex perfume that evokes the joyful feeling of a sunny afternoon spent in the garden. The grounding sensation of placing one’s hands in the earth; the pleasure of picking ripe, juicy tomatoes; the buzz of bees in the air.

The fragrance’s Tomato Leaf accord combines with Green Mandarin notes to create a crisp, juicy effect. While green and uplifting, From the Garden’s notes of Patchouli and Geranium bring a humid, earthy quality. Contrasted with the fragrance’s freshness, the result is an elegant, crisp scent, conjuring the memory of a sunny afternoon spent in a garden.

When creating this fragrance, perfumer Olivier Cresp was inspired by his memories of spending time in his childhood garden with his father, of taking in the plants’ scent, and years later doing the same with his own son, Sebastien. From the Garden’s green and earthy notes remind Cresp of this transporting moment and being immersed in the tranquility of a sun-drenched garden.


Replica should get way more shit for this.

>>18648117
>how do you justify
easily

>>18648116
the entire concept of cb i hate perfume is to recreate memories. he has stories built into them like:
>"My house in the country was tiny. It was originally built as the summer kitchen on my family's farm. Even after a good deal of renovation and sandblasting, the woodwork and rafters still smelled faintly of two centuries of cooking. I found this comforting. I used to, on summer evenings, I lie quietly on a sofa in the summer kitchen beside the open window watching the fireflies light across a field of alfalfa. It was totally peaceful and I was perfectly happy. A gentle breeze blew across my face carrying the scent of the vegetables and herbs growing just beneath the window. The scent was fresh and green and wonderful."

>"Arriving in New York at eighteen, I quickly learned the city I'd expected did not exist. Of course my rather fantastical expectations were formed by television, a few movies and certain writers no ordinary sixth grader had any business to enjoy. I’d live on a huge roof covered in pots bursting with spring flowers year round despite season or natural law. Amidst the technicolor blooms against a backdrop of glittering monoliths, water tanks and Italian restaurants, I'd lounge on ultramodern inflatable furniture enjoying cocktails and witty urbane banter with highly artistic friends. The friends I found. The rest, alas, no. The city was gritty, harsh, and relentless. But it was also vibrant, exhilarating and inspiring. And I did find my flowers; I put them not in pots but bottles. Now I call forth Spring at will and then I see not only the New York I've come to accept but that glamorous childhood mirage which still stands somewhere among my expectations."

>"Does the smell of apples make you happy? It should, as studies show. I used to love to go with my father to pick up the apples from the local orchard. I can still recall the scent of hundreds of bushels of ripe red apples glowing in the cold room. Even now the memory makes me smile."

itt: people who wear cb 601 as signature scents

>>18648129
kek

>>18648117
you don't. never spent good money on skin scents, always buy travel sizes if you like something, do samples and decants almost exclusively. this isn't perfumetok. there's nobody to impress here. the point is the scent, not the bottle or price tag.

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>>18648015
Only Indians wear that

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>>18648077
Nigga you gay

>>18648129
It's a good scent, sir.

>>18648132
>>18648133
>gingers
>room to talk

>>18648122
>only good valentino
>good
>valentino
>good
>designer anything

>>18648116
>and I'm conflicted in saying demeter makes fragrances since in a way they do but in a way some of their releases barely qualify if at all
it's a fragrance library, that's the whole point. whether it's pizza, play dough, sex on the beach, moonbeams, mildew, dirt, chocolate cake, celery, hot toddies, apple pie, etc it's all fragrances. they sell them in multiple forms including sprays and oils.

>>18648117
>spending over $100 on any scent
Well you don't do this, for starters.

>>18648088
You don't buy "bad" clones. You can buy perfectly fine duplications. Most perfume markup is literally just marketing because they have to sell something you cannot experience except when it's directly in front of you and need to get very creative since almost everything is just chemical compounds (inb4 isn't everything) rather than specific "notes" which half the time are pulled out of their ass. Unless you're getting raw ingredients from Grasse itself you are overpaying for every scent. Dupe > original > "clone" that's just literal urine half the time. Pay for originality and artistry to support people you like, not to get cucked by marketing firms.

>>18648137
scent?
certainly
fragrance?
I dunno
or maybe I'm just getting hung up on semantics unnecessarily

>>18648140
To be fair, I wouldn't call them fine fragrances. Just fragrances. I wouldn't say perfume either. It's just a library of fragrances in the sense you can have a library of tastes or colors.
>https://demeterfragrance.com/collections
It's worth checking them out. I can't recall them retiring anything, though I'm sure they probably have. Their little mini splashes and sprays used to be a great deal but have probably gone up in price since (you used to be able to get about 5 or 6 for $30 and it would hit the threshold for them to throw in a free full sized spray of whatever that month's deal was). It's fantastic for layering, creating your own scent, or modifying existing ones. When the popcorn note was removed from the reformulation of Miss Dior Cherie, it was a common trick to buy the current lower price reformulation and just use something from Demeter or another company like Alkemia with their County Fair oil to add it back. You can fix a lot of batch issues and reformulations this way by frankensteining scents back to closer to what they were, or layer to create your own custom one that no one else in the world will be wearing and is exactly what you prefer.

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>>18647908
The Aventus material from them is “Compound Black” right? Did they send you a PDF or whatever with your purchase?

If you go to the Compound Black page and scroll down there’s a link to the PDF for “BLACKENED 11Z01 a fruity chypre for men”

The first line of said PDF (after the 25g Compound Black and 60g Perfumers Alcohol) states
“Combine and rest for four weeks then chill overnight before filtering.”

It’s weird I can’t find that description or style PDF on the pages of any of the other “Compound” listings, but I’m pretty sure it’s standard practice for any fragrance. Maceration really is a thing, and after diluting the solid material in perfumers alcohol you’re supposed to let it sit for a month first. The filtering portion I don’t know about, however. That’s why I was curious.

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>mfw getting over $500 refund in a few days
>tfw jewing the jews

>>18648004
damn, that sounds amazing. i love my hermes un jardin en mediterranee and un jardin sur le nil and the general scent profile seems similar if a bit more herbal which is always baller. you'd recommend this then?
>as you can get a 50ml bottle for about 30 EUR at EU discounters
mad jelly, this isn't applicable online i assume? your desc reminds me of of 4711's blood orange and basil

>>18648121
>t. brand consoomer
>>18648127
easily what?
>>18648131
what are your top 3 fav fragrances?
>>18648138
true i dont, altho ive felt inclined to several times.
>>18648139
SNOI is considered the best aventus clone

>>18648041
>the entirety of immortelle
Does immortelle register as umami to your nose?

Also, >>18648049 makes some good points. I would say yes we’ve *mostly* covered every scent, there are exceptions but not many. At the moment what we’re waiting on is the discovery of new aromachemicals with novel smells, not so much new combinations of existing things, which are few and far in between now-a-days.

What you have to keep in mind is that gourmands, blues, and even going as far back as fougeres and chypres, they’re all just combinations of scents/materials that blew up in popularity, you could do that with any combination of scents and make it “the next big thing” if it gets popular enough. Hell, you can almost say Aventus created a genre with all its imitators, they just haven’t been given a fancy name like “Blues” or “Gourmands”, people just call them Aventus clones.

And yes, Beaufort does some metal-ish scents. I believe they’ve dropped blood from note listings, but perhaps not all. It used to be on Tonnerre but is gone now (I never detected it).

Also Zoologist literally has a Dodo Jackfruit fragrance. It smells like rotten fruit.

How do you wear attar? Is it just for skin?

>>18648152
>top 3
it changes and they're organized by family and mood. i have on jo malone's ginger biscuit at the moment from a christmas gift but it's not as nice as the sample was. i really like histories de parfums 1899 hemingway and l de lolita lempicka. besame 1930 and 1940, santa maria novella acqua della regina/acqua di colonia, etat libre d orange fils de dieu du riz et des agrumes, mmmr lazy sunday morning, aquolina chocolovers, killian apple brandy on the rocks. it's a mix. mostly it's tiny decants or samples of much nicer shit i can never afford and a million indie oils though. that would take much longer to list.

>>18648156
>Does immortelle register as umami to your nose?
It smells like pumpkin pie and a ham and cheese to me, yes.

>>18648058
Off the top of my head… Cybergarden, Fat Electrician, Ghost in the Shell.

Less electronic to my nose, but you could expand to include oddballs like Synthetic Jungle, Fahrenheit, Ganymede, H24, etc.

>>18648152
What were you inclined to spend the big bucks on?

>>18648071
Burgundy Oud

>>18648152
>SNOI is considered the best aventus clone
why not just buy a decant of aventus from a reputable seller and wear that in an atomizer

>Akigalawood
Derived from patchouli
has same compound as weed
Theoretically can make sniffer dogs go crazy
LOL

>>18648089
You want Pineward fragrances. He covers multiple things from your post, he has a summer ivy frag, a couple photorealistic hay field frags, general green woodsy frags that actually smell like chlorophyll and sawdust, several frags themed after overall forest locals (real and fictional).

>>18647958
You're right, comparing a year like 1988 to 2025 will have more variety in 2025. What I was actually comparing is my vintage collection spanning 50 years so of course it will be more varied than what I can find at the mall today. Current drugstore brands must be a race to the bottom. I think low end fragrances were more popular in the past compared to how fragrances are a status symbol now making higher end fragrances more popular.

>>18648172
Based /frag/ grenade, I had never heard of this guy before. Checking out his store now and he seems awesome. Really love that some of them are listed with (THIS IS A CHALLENGING PERFUME). Here's one in return, if you have any women or artsy people in your life, Pearfat Parfum is excellent for the aesthetic cinematique crowd. Really kicking myself I never got her limited edition Hausu scent Only a Witch Cat before it was sold out.

>Face powder collects in the corners of her mouth as she chews a bite of watermelon, freshly cooled in a well—too crunchy. It sounds too cold and crunchy. When her lips part, an eye peeks out, glancing to each side in sync with the two on her face. The sound effects are impossible to ignore. It must be a half-asleep fantasy, you know, but you feel baked into the late-summer soil, unable to jolt yourself out of this lucid dream, tethered to the ground by warped strands of herbal leaves and a sinking feeling.

>Notes:
>Top - Shiso leaf, climbing vines
>Middle - Melon, coriander
>Base - Powdered makeup, eyeball

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>>18647997
>mfw when wearing leather florals

>>18648096
I found Pineward’s Christmas Wine and Glühwein to be like smelling wassail or some other extremely berry/fruit heavy melange - but he recently reformulated one or both, so take it with a grain of salt.

>>18648100
Have you considered it’s because no one here fucks with B&BW (or Victoria Secret)? I haven’t heard of a single one of the fragrances you named in your entire post.
Basically everyone in these threads is some mix of designers, misc. artisanal/niche, or cheapie drug stores/clones. The rest just don’t get traction here.

do you guys really talk to each other or is it just samefag

>>18648162
interesting, never heard of any of these, going to have a look.
>>18648165
a bunch. Bergamask by Orto Parisi , Maison Francis's Amyris Homme, Intense Cedrat Boise, Wanderlust by Omanluxury, Amouage Interlude, Amouage Guidance 46, Fall of Phaeton by Argos, Nishane Havicat, Parfums de Marly Althair and Layton, to name the most expensive ones.
Might just settle on a cheap clone like Vanguard instead tho.
>>18648167
why pay 50 bucks for 10ml when I can buy a clone for that money instead and be good for 2 years? Aventus seems like a great scent profile but very overpriced.

hello fellow fraggots, if you could delete one scent ingredients from all parfumerie what would it be
for me, it's tuberose

>>18648182
That would be why it was a partial audit of the industry of niche and designer being filtered down to mass market and specifically mentioned three different A Lab on Fire/What We Do Is Secret niche perfumes being duped into one while making fun of BBW/VS, yes.

>>18648187
tobacco and leather

>>18648184
aventus really isn't that impressive, it's charred pineapple. it's just that if he likes a partiular scent it makes more sense to me to purchase a smaller version of that scent and make it last rather than repeatedly spend money on large quantities of inferior clones. if you just like the general aura of it though it doesn't really matter. i prefer orientica amber rogue over baccarat and would never spend the money on something that could be easily duplicated, but did buy a small decant of aventus specifically. most people don't really care if it's about 65%+ accurate.

>>18648183
Every single person online is actually just one lonely guy talking to himself, Anon. Has been since the earliest days.

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>>18648157
Put it on your neck and wrists

>>18648187
vanilla for a critical hit

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>>18647997
SOTD: Warek by Kajal
nasty animalic leather with a bunch of florals

>>18648184
I tested Amyris Homme in the store and i liked it, the dupes are so hard to find though. What similar scent profile would you recommend?(aside from Allure Homme)

>>18648196
Fair enough, it's less cringe than making fake stories in fragrantica thougeh

>>18648163
Fascinating. Also slightly concerning… But fascinating.

>>18648169
You misunderstood that portion of the article. Caryophyllene oxide is used as a marker to train the drug dogs, meaning it’s not naturally present in marijuana. They add it into marijuana because of its distinct, uncommon smell, train the dogs to recognize it alongside the scent of marijuana, and then slowly shift the dogs to just recognize the marijuana alone, with no exogenous Caryophyllene oxide.

>>18648187
Amber.

Enjoy your 1 hour longevity.

>>18648200
you misunderstood, I didn't actually buy those. kinda new to fragging and those were all on my list. it's a lot of money tho, so yeah I am thinking of buying a few samples and then just settling on one. or just blind a cheapie that is well received.

>>18648182
Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab has an incredible amount of those specific scents in their Yule catalogue and sometimes Lupercalia. If
>>18648096
wants something wassail-style, Head of Holofernes is the best I've ever found. It does have a distinct blood note, but it blends well with the spices, berries, and pomegranate.

>>18648012
>Do you think it's possible to create a new scent category at all
I was hearing Maurice Roucel talk about new molecules and how Symrise where he works has a bunch of vegetable aromachemicals, likely everyone does. He mentioned that he can envision them being added to perfumes but nobody want to smell like an onion, green pepper is note is some perfumes. I don't think vegetables will be a new category but they might enable and amplify other notes. Ink seems to be the note of 2025-2026. I think there are nearly infinite possibilities for new scent categories.

Something I always hated about the perfume landscape is that so many perfumes aim to smell like luxury and wealth. That made sense when people dressed fancy but with how casual fashion has become I think we need more casual scents. Even the casual fragrances we have today like colognes try to conjure luxurious locales with "premium" ingredients. I want more lime, wheat, grass, hay, lumber, olive oil, old book, etc. without turning it into something you can only wear with a suit and tie. I call them humble scents.

>>18648178
could look into Paraphrase too, but i think his recc for pineward is spot on

>>18648206
Ok, but personally I think it's worth wearing a few times before buying it. Maybe I'm just biased because I haven't smelled anything like it before. I really like how the iris is blended in it.

>>18648178
Be warned, I absolutely love his fragrances but many of them are highly colorized due to the natural extraction process as opposed to buying from big oil houses. If the juice is clear or a light orange/yellow it’s not a problem, but he has several fragrances that when sprayed on skin are anywhere from a dark forest green to neon green and stain the skin that color for 4+ hours.

You can rub them into your skin to help the color dissipate a touch, but most of them are non-compatible with white shirts, and the dark ones won’t work with anything but the darkest colored shirts. I’m fairly certain it’s why he started selling those necklaces.

Caravansary is prob the best example for one that smells absolutely fantastic but is basically unwearable on skin or any clothing.

>>18648187
Cinnamon, in small quantities it can be nice but I think it ruins some vintage stuff for me, maybe I'm sensitive to whatever they used to make a cinnamon accord in the past.

>>18648210
I heard very good things about so I defo wanna at least try it, yeah.
can be said for the other stuff I mentioned too tho

>>18648203
On the same note, why do they say Tuscan Leather smells like cocaine? Do sniffer dogs get confused to that or they know it's a cologne?

>>18648190
Ah, I see. The way I read that post I assumed the three fragrances you named were all BBW/VS clones, not the originals. I guess I also misinterpreted the line
>It's driving me nuts that nobody is mentioning this online anywhere because it's such a vivid match.
as still being about BBW/VS, and that people should know their works/clones.

Also also, now that I can’t help but unintentionally scrutinize your post because I’ve re-read it like three times, isn’t your first paragraph basically saying they’re all bad, and your second paragraph saying they’re extremely nostalgic for or similar to fragrances you think smell good. (Ergo, the clones also smell good?)

>>18648183
We’re all one person. You’re me too.
Hello me, it’s me again.

>>18648208
That's fascinating. I've been hunting for vegetable and herbaceous scents for years and was disappointed green scents had been subsumed by the wave of cereal accords, milk, and musk as the gourmands melded with skin scents. Good to know there might be another wave soon.

I agree with you regarding the scent of luxury. In the 80s, it was bombastic decadence. Pure Poison everywhere. In the 90s, the split of dirty gourmands like Angel and the unisex cleanliness of CK One. Endless celebrity fruity-florals and horrific interchangable designer aldehydics in the 2000s into about mid 2010s when, of course, pickle juice and bandaids everywhere covered in burnt sugar and Grande, Eilish, and Kardashian/Jenner juices. My personal split has always been the everyday: warm, gooey cinnamon-chocolate-vanilla gourmands with honey, butter, and cream, and dew-dropped grass with night-blooming jasmine, wild honeysuckle, dirt, petrichor, basil/rosemary/mint/thyme/sage. The kitchen and the garden.

There are or were many hay, wheat, grass, honeycomb, book scents in oil perfumery from about 2015 onward. I can pull a list from Alkemia if you'd like. Most of my samples are from their old 3-for-30 sale or the 5-for-10 samples to try entire seasonal releases before they're pulled.

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>>18648187
Civet or anything that made Kouros and Chanel No. 5 smell stink.

>>18648169
>>18648203
I will add the caveat that your final conclusion is still correct, in theory Akigalawood frags could set off a drug dog.

>>18648217
Personally I’ve never smelled it, so I can’t comment from experience, but my understanding from others explanations is it’s not so much it smells like cocaine as it smells like post-nasal drip, which you get after doing cocaine. So no it won’t make sniffer dogs think you have cocaine, BUT the same article that dude was just (likely) reading from also has this small excerpt

“Incidentally, a similar "dog" marker for cocaine is methyl benzoate, familiar to us from ylang-ylang, some fruits like feijoa and cranberries, and some bold fragrances that include industrial techno notes like carbon fiber and neoprene socks. Studies have shown that the characteristic odor of cocaine is formed mainly by methyl benzoate, methyl cinnamate, and dimethyl truxillate.”

>>18648219
I'm nostalgic for the era of BBW scents that would at least be true to their name. "Sun-Riped Raspberry", "Brown Sugar and Fig", "Spicy Gingerbead". I hate anything cutesy that replaced it like "Guilty as Fig" or generic names that completely fail to describe what they claim to be. "Gingham Love", "Hello Happiness", "After Dark", they also all smell identical (ie bad and cloyingly chemical) and this was specifically after the company that owns VS bought BBW and gutted it to replace everything with the same nasty cheap shit.

Now they've moved to dupes as the market as shifted to fully openly advertising them rather than keeping it something on the dl, which must be interesting for lawyers in the industry everywhere. It's interesting to sniff something now and immediately recognize it as a dupe and see Mixbar and others being sold openly with mocking names when walking through the grocery store. The clones smell superior to the era of generic scents, so objectively it is a step up, it's just also weird. And it makes me feel nuts that randomly sniffing something to see what the hell "Touch of Gold" was supposed to convey instantly triggered a scent memory of smelling an exact $350 vial of a niche house in 2016 for the first time and falling in love, only to forget the name of it and never be able to find it again, and yet I can find 0 people online saying "oh my god this smells exactly like..." and when they do it's all different things when it is SO OBVIOUSLY [name I forgot but one of those three]. I bought the body cream. I appreciate being able to get a tube for $12 rather than a tiny bottle for $350. It's just weird to consider when having been into perfumes since 2009 and see the entire industry shift and Fragrantica become a thing people actually seem to know about and casually reference, even consider passe. "Fragrance influencer" was not something I ever considered could be a thing, certainly not when first delving into niche over a decade ago.

>>18648220
I appreciate it but I have a fixation with spraying, I have one attar which is nice but I wouldn't want more. I realized my humblest fragrances are some of my favorites, tea/tobacco, bitter orange/hay, tagetes/moss. I enjoy some elegant fancy scents but they aren't as easy to wear. I should look for more humble scents.

>>18648051
This but I would call dirty musks, animalic musks.

>>18648219
Oh, and for the record I get the confusion. "Messy Sexy Just Rolled Out of Bed" absolutely does sound like a generic Victoria's Secret name.

>https://www.luckyscent.com/products/and-the-world-is-yours-by-what-we-do-is-secret?src=c.brand-what-we-do-is-secret.6
>Cumin, Heliotrope, Neroli, Orange Blossom Absolute, Rose, Sandalwood, Tolu Balsam, Tonka Absolute, Vanilla Pod CO2
>Few photographs capture the sumptuousness of celebrity more than the iconic photograph of Faye Dunaway by famed English photographer Terry O’Neill. The starlet sits poolside at the Beverly Hills Hotel at 6 a.m., hungover from winning an Oscar, sanguine in a pale silk robe, newspapers in a moat around her feet declaring her victor. And who better to pay homage to this most Hollywood morning-after, but Dominique Ropion, master of the doe-eyed and disheveled WWDIS classics What We Do In Paris Is Secret and Messy Sexy Just Rolled Out Of Bed?
>And the World Is Yours kicks off with a blast of neroli that floods the senses, rich and fresh with the thrilling energy of a papparazzo's flashbulb. With a dramatic sigh, the neroli gives way to a warm, creamy orange blossom, enhanced with a flattering kick of spice. Ropion’s signature vanilla musk plays its part with a powdery puff of heliotrope—apropos for the Hollywood sensuality. And just like the shimmering sunsets of Los Angeles, it melts into a honeyed, musky, golden finish. Like Dunaway in the photograph, And the World Is Yours is stylish, sexy- and still basking in the afterglow of last night's adventures.

>https://www.bathandbodyworks.com/p/touch-of-gold-ultimate-hydration-body-cream-028018921
>When you find a scent that matches your energy…say hello to the new gold standard. This is your aura, all bottled up in a fragrance. Indulge your senses with gilded fruit and a bit of floral warmth. Then, go ahead, serve the all-eyes-on-me experience.
>Fragrance notes: bright blackberries, golden orange blossom and decadent tonka.

>>18648228
The weird part of this was that as far as I know this isn't a particularly well known or popular fragrance so idk why on earth it would be at BBW other than someone deep into niche just wanted to do this for whatever reason. I didn't remember the actual bottle was gold but did remember the liquid itself looks as gold and precious as the liquid luck in those Harry Potter films, the fact the entire branding is gold-themed makes way more sense now.

But everyone just says it's random other shit when this is like. Looking at fucking Asuka vs Usuka here.

>>18648124
>>18648125
>Maison Margiela Replica From the Garden rips off CB I Hate Perfume 103 Memory of Kindness
>>18648228
>Bath and Body Works Touch of Gold rips off What We Do Is Secret And The World Is Yours

pure weaponized scent based autism itt doing turnitin.com on celebrity creative directors and million dollar marketing campaigns

>>18648225
>must be interesting for lawyers in the industry everywhere
Clones and dupes are perfectly legal, you can't copyright a scent. You can copyright names but even some designs can only be protected if it's a trademark.

>>18648225
Ahhh, now I understand. My sympathies to your fragrance identification conundrum.
Not that it will help you any, but the most likely candidate seems And the World Is Yours considering all three share tonka, but that one also shares neroli.

>>18648228
>"Messy Sexy Just Rolled Out of Bed" absolutely does sound like a generic Victoria's Secret name.
Kek. Yup, definitely made that assumption.

>>18648229
There *is* always the genuine chance they just ended up at the same result through independent means. Convergent evolution is a thing.

>>18648219
>Mathyl benzoate
Seems like the benz- prefix molecule has some edgy reputation. I remember benzaldehydes in cherry fragrances smelling like embalmed cadavers, according to trained noses.

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>>18648242
I mean, technically you're right based on the doctrine of functionality but Western Europe keeps going to war over this with France insulting every nose out there by insisting you can't copyright while a Dutch case ruled in favor of Lancome saying absolutely yes the fuck you can and it can be infringed upon in perfume. The problem isn't so much that they've duped scents, it's that they've always been sold in barely legal ways with the equivalent of "I Can't Believe It's Not... Flowerbomb!" but now there's a weird situation where entire brands like Dossier, Mixbar, Finery are advertising with much less sleazy packaging and Gen Z TikToks. Finery has a dupe of Phlur's Missing Person that is called Without a Trace. There are signs like this sitting above them all at mall chain stores and Walmart. It's a bit of a shift from them being $3 at drugstores and universally kept a secret or considered trashy to use.

>>18648245
lol touch of gold was by nathalie benareau of syrmise which is where dominique ropion did his trilogy for what we do is secret including and the world is yours which was a limited production release for luckyscent's 15th anniversary. it's not a coincidence, it's a direct link.

>>18648250
Yeah, I’ve always heard you can’t copyright fragrances either, but never really understood why, considering you can copyright (almost) any other novel chemical formula/structure/etc. you discover or create.

I never heard any word of lawsuits, but I do think some Arab clone houses were bottling their Tom Ford clones a little too close to the originals and they ended up changing some… or something like that. I don’t really follow or care for clones so I could be wrong. That said though, fragrances prices have gotten waaay out of hand, and even if I don’t like Arab clones, I’m all for them and other cheapies cutting the knees out from under designers with this $300 a bottle bullshit.

>>18648247
>smelling like embalmed cadavers
with all the very specific blood sweat cum adrenaline and breastmilk scents out there now even aside from secretions magnifique this would probably go hard. what's that giant tropical flower that's supposed to smell like rotting corpses again? the one in the jungle, i think it can start growing in animal crossing games if you leave your town overgrown for too long? though i guess if you clarify EMBALMED it would just be formaldehyde

>>18648253
Wouldn’t be the first time an unpicked submission for a brief got pulled and released for a different brand.

>>18648257
Corpse flowers are the things that only bloom like… once every seven years I think, and supposedly smell like corpses. Im speculating here, but I think it’s some alternate to pollination as it attracts flys or something like that.

>>18648255
Fragrance is as overt as fine art money laundering at this point. It's weird too because the most effective advertising is clearly word of mouth and that has been astroturfed hard for at least a decade now if not longer on the internet from "trusted" citizen sources alone. Sunday Riley and the Good Genes scandal was a massive wakeup call in that regard lmao. So idk the prices would be so high since marketing is cheap as shit with bots and whatnot now. Probably just because everyone knows if they're the first to undercut the entire economy of the industry will collapse. It's nice smelling liquid and most of it as water and/or alcohol anyway. Same as astrology, same as wine, it's collaborative codes of silence to uphold the mystique...

>>18648262
>unpicked submission for a brief
it was sold on luckyscent for like $350 capped at 500 bottles. they rereleased it last year even at $150 now because i guess it doesn't really matter. which it doesn't if everyone is getting their smellalikes to smell good.

>>18648257
Also, Cadaverine is (one) of the foul smelling chemicals produced from decaying flesh, but apparently it’s toxic. Trimethyl amine famously smells like rotting fish/low tide. Also toxic.

Generally speaking if something smells bad to us, it’s for good reason.

Is it true Quorum Silver dries down into a musky old man/piss/rubber skin scent? I've also heard pencil shavings

>>18648183
im in your walls, anon

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>>18648250
None of this is new and none of it is any sort of legal issue. You can literally make similar names as it fall under some legal "parody" law. There might be random cases here and there but the idea that you can't copyright fashion and scents is well established precedent.

https://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture

>>18648257
>>18648262
Those flowers are called Rafflesia. At least in our country..
Had the unfortunate chance of being near one during our science trip. Have you ever smelled a dead rat but you can't find where is it? That's how it smells like x10.
Stinky, sickly sweet.

>>18648290
>"Our version of..."
>"I Can't Believe It's Not... Flowerbomb!"
Still missing the culture shift angle.

>>18648255
You can copyright fragrance molecules and they do, but you can copyright the actual smell which can be replicated multiple different ways. You can also trademark the name:
>Ambrox (Firmenich)
>Ambrofix (Givaudan)
>Ambroxan (Kao)
>Ambermox
>Orcanox
This is one well know example. You can't copy a name and I'm guessing they can patent a chemical formula but nothing can stop you from replicating the smell. From fraterworks:
>Akigala Extreme is our interpretation of the Akigalawood captive in the form of a base built around an extraordinary quality (and amount) of molecular distilled patchouli with accents of pepper and dank woods.

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SOTD Asad Zanzibar

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>>18648051
I never heard of blue musks before.

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What does he wear, /frag/?

one of the best threads in quite a while, what is even happening?

>>18648151
>damn, that sounds amazing
yes but keep in mind that this was not done by JCE so the style is a bit different (a bit less minimalistic imo)
>this isn't applicable online i assume?
yes, you can get it online (e.g. at parfum zentrum de)
>4711's blood orange and basil
this is more green/aromatic (basic+geranium+other spices) and less citrus

>>18648152
>t. brand consoomer
no, what makes you say that?

>>18648183
it's all me
also stop noticing things, it's not healthy

>>18648184
>MFK
>Mancera
>PDM
grim

>>18648187
ethyl maltol, fuck gourmand frags

>>18648221
DELET THIS

>>18648293
>Rafflesia
based, is there a frag with this note?

>>18648318
Kouros ofc

encre noire sport is awful

>>18648333
why?

>>18648089
>>18648103
Hibiscus and orchid might have a smell depending on their variety.
Lillac and lily of the valley have quite the characteristic smell.
Anyway, no reason to limit yourself to flowers if you're into this idea, just look at CdG's catalog.

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>>18648318
Magic underwear and the stench of other men's wives.

>>18648334
the grapefruit makes it acidic and dry instead of just dry, and all of the extra notes mask the iso e super which is what i mainly like the original encre noire for. sport is just a grapefruit vetiver mess

>>18648056
which decanter is this?

>>18648285
neither of those happens
but the guaiac might give you some strange woody notes

>>18648085
>as its own infographic
You can already find some lists of which frag is a copy of which, and if you made an infographic with clones it would look the same as one with the originals, only with different bottles, telling you nothing about their quality.
I don't see the point.
>>18648117
I don't, but it would be easy if I was a millionaire.
Luckily you can find plenty of well performing frags in that range.
>>18648136
>TdH is bad
>Sauvage is bad
>Eau Sauvage is bad
>Light Blue PH is bad
>AdG is bad
>Ambre Nuit is bad
>Soie Malaquais is bad
>Imagination is bad
>Antaeus is bad
>Sycomore is bad
If the answer is yes to all of these you just don't like frags.
>>18648220
You should try Dirty and The Smell of Weather Turning by Lush.

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>>18648035
Lmao, based. 2000s Stacys are hot, shieet.
Sotd Aigner Statement

>>18648322
>MFK
>Mancera
>PDM
>grim
why

>>18648393
slop houses and slop frags (boring houses, their quality and value is nowhere near their asking price)

>>18648403
>slop houses
based on what
>slop frags
they use good ingredients and several of the frags i mentioned are described as masterpieces and masterful compositions on multiple occasions.

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>>18648411
>Mancera, PDM, MFK
>they use good ingredients
>masterpieces and masterful compositions
>mfw when

>i dont like them therefore they are slop

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>>18648117
Fuck you, pay me. You fucking freeloaders keep trying to sniff my $400 fragrances for free, not gonna happen. You're a parasite, stick to your "73.80% the same", "punches above its price", "good enough", "affordable luxury" bullshit. I'm going to smell amazing and you will never get to experience my rare batch premium discontinued scent. I'm spending your entire collection's worth each time I squeeze the atomizer. You have no idea what you're missing, literally.

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Thinking of buying 2ml decants of some frags not easily available to test at the store where I live, like Fico di Amalfi, Eau D'Issey and Encre Noir. Is it enough for a week of testing or should I go 5ml instead?

>>18648183
No, I am not the indian in the walls, but thanks for asking. I joined these threads two weeks ago, I'm the dude that goes to a Sephora and tries a bunch of frags recommended by this thread so I can better communicate with my fellow /frag/sters. So far, I've tried these out, should expand with the decants because now I know my taste. Bought Ultra Male this week, it's still growing on me the more I use it. Fuck Paradise Garden btw.

>18648418
holy cope

>>18648419
i refuse to even try jpg for those ugly homoerotic pseudo masculine bottles.

>>18648419
2ml is like 2-3 days of wearing and more than enough to test

>>18648415
whatever rocks your boat, noselet anon
go buy them all for all i care, all three houses are pushing overpriced and/or disgusting crap

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>>18648419
All slop, get more fougeres. Don't smell like zoomers or indians.

>>18648425
which houses arent pushing overpriced crap?

>>18648422
I though the same, anon. I always saw JPG bottles as "trying too hard" and ending up kinda gay, but while searching for autumn, the salesperson at Sephora had me try Ultra Male and Le Beau. Initially, I went "ok this is too loud for me, not my vibe at all", but the more I smelled Ultra Male on my arm along the day, the more I liked it, and I was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed it. Didn't buy it at the store though, Sephora rips us off. And I said fuck Le Beau Paradise Garden because it actually smells homoerotic as fuck.

>>18648426
You mean the decants or the ones I tried? Recommend me a more traditional fougere then, anon, as Ultra Male is my first oriental fougere and I would enjoy something manlier to introduce some variety.

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>>18647989
Just bought it recently, a very good fragrance.
If I had to choose one brand for the rest of my life, it would be Hermes.

Holy, why is /frag/ so fast today

>>18648436
>If I had to choose one brand for the rest of my life, it would be Hermes.
from the designer ream, definitely
how's the rhubarb frag (and is there a 50ml version of it)?

>>18648438
dunno, maybe no work for USA yet and it's already weekend in Europe

>>18648343
thanks I wasn't sure I usually don't buy cheap slop for contrarian redditors, boomer leftists, and indians like Drakkar Noir, Quorum, or Kenzo

>>18648439
I really like it, its fresh fruity, very unique, but it leans more on the feminine side and smells kinda youthfull if it makes sense, if i smelled them blind i wouldnt guess they are from the same line tho.

They have a 50ml
I paid 50 bucks for each on limango, if i find good deals for the other ones, i gonna get them aswell.

scents that have no strong sillage arent even worth 50 bucks tho

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>>18648448
Fresh scents have a strong sillage, only for a short time tho.
But in the summer they make me happy.

>>18648438
the spammer is back with his zero contribution mass replying

>>18648448
wrong

I wanna try Erba Pura in the store, but I have to go like 7 miles. Tell me, is it worth it?

>>18648457
For reference, I loved YSL Y line, Aventus, and Terre D Hermes.

>>18648457
I would say no.
I smelled it recently for the first time. I was surprised how inoffensive it smells, especially after hearing many times how strong and headache-inducing it is.
But its 2 feminine fruity for me.

>>18648450
i love good scents as much as anyone but paying 300 bucks for something i can only smell myself and only briefly is just too expensive a hobby. i treat fragrances as fashion accessories.

>>18648457
no, not really
it smells like a shampoo

SOTD: Dior Homme Intense. A warm chocolate vanilla with a hint of flower/wood 5 hours later.

>>18648465
Yeah ur right, pic related is 30 bucks
tho. I would not pay for something like Neroli Portofino. I wear it when I go shopping, visiting my grandma, usually for short excursions.

>>18648466
>>18648464
Dang, sucks. i like shampoo/body wash like frags as long as they’re masculine though, I expected it’s sweet from the reviews and feminine leaning.

I was intrigued by the “fruits” accord, Guess the search for general fruity fragrances for summer continues.

>>18648469
My favorite iris frag. I love how “dusty” it feels. At least my batch is

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>>18648433
>Recommend me a more traditional fougere then
Gravitas from that english boomer youtuber Mr. Smelly, great complex fougere.
If you want an aquatic fresh fougere Green Irish Tweed or Montale Sandflowers(miles better that sticky, sweet Acqua di Sale).

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>>18648473
>Fruity summer fragrance
Now i remembered when i tried pic related, the first 10 minutes smelled heavenly, fruity masculine.
But after like 30 minutes it started smelling like a rotting fruit basket, was happy i didnt buy it.

>>18648482
>Rotting fruit basket
Definitely narcissus. That note is challenging, but personally I like it. H24 has it, the EDT one.
And it DOES smell like a overripe banana in humid days.

>>18648480
>AdS
>sticky and sweet
It's almost exclusively calone, myrtle, cedar and some stinky seaweed/driftwood note, what about it smells sticky or sweet to you?

>>18648448
>sillage
>worth
The only thing that has any value is how good something smells. Sillage and longevity is achieved in cheapest clones and value brands. The only thing that costs money is quality assurance and having a professional that doesn't give you terribly smelling goop.

>>18648499
But I love smelling like a terrible smelling goop... What's not mass-appealing is good for me :(

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>>18648490
Probably AdS is heavy on the Myrtle and stinky seaweed, too sticky. Sandflowers is lighter even more heavier on calone with juniper.

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>>18648424
Ok great, I'm picking 5 for me to buy to a total of $30 and will rotate them weekly. The current list of possibilities are:
>AdP Fico di Amalfi
>Lalique Encre Noir
>V&R Spice Bomb
>TF Tobacco Vanille
>John Varvatos Artisan Blu
>Guerlain Vetiver
>Boss Bottled Night
>Maybe Legend Spirit because I need to test it more to decide
I am missing decent and affordable fougeres, would like some help on deciding which 5 are worth it to avoid redundancy.

>>18648480
>I look them up
>Green Irish Tweed goes for $500 in my country because of import taxes
>2ml tester costs $20
>Montale Sandflowers decands out of stock
I will save your suggestion for another time, anon, but thank you for trying.

>>18648473
>fruity
>summer
Do you like fig? You can check out some fruity fragrances like Premier Figuier and its derivatives. I realized I don't have a lot of fruit in my collection, just the standard raspberry note.

>>18648430
Essential Parfums, Serge Lutins and Issey Miyake are really affordable.
AdP, Parfum d'Empire, ELDO, Nicolai, Bianchi are pretty cheap on disconters.

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>chanel hasnt released a good frag since 1981
>creed hasnt released a good frag since 2017
which houses are actually still good?

>>18648473
i recall trying Sel D'issey and it smelled a lot like a nice shower gel. I get a similar vibe from Allure Homme Eau Extreme
Erba Pura is just overly sweet and fruity. i kinda like it but it's not something i'd wear

>>18648217
it's repulsive, it smells like a woman's handbag or a shoe store. have no idea why people like this fragrance

>>18648419
>>18648433
>>18648521
Any time you see those interracial webm’s you can safely ignore the posts entirely. It’s actually a really convenient way to filter his posts.

Also, Paco Rabanne pour Homme and Bogart (AKA Bogart Signature) are peak fougere cheapies but Bogart Signature has disappeared off most discounters. Azzaro pour Homme is also a good choice for an old school barbershop style frag.

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The name is stupid as hell (Rich 90s Dad), but the candle company Ranger Station actually makes one of the best modern chypres I've ever tried.
It's a dry citrus and geranium heavy scent. It's got like sage and musk and bergamot in it too. Maybe not worth for the full size but when they put out the 10mls in the (Burgerland) spring and summer it's worth trying.
Reminds me of a middle ground between between Dior Eau Sauvage EDT and Eau Capitale by Diptyque.
Unfortunately, this will probably be ignored because it's not shitposting about Drakkar Noir or jeets.

>>18648438
There was actually some good discussion over the past thread or two. I was surprised as well, but the coomer mutt is back so the thread will likely slide back into dreck.

>>18648499
>The only thing that has any value is how good something smells.
You’re in the right mindset, but longevity and -some- degree of sillage is important as well.
If you have to press nose to flesh to smell your frag, it’s not worth it, no matter how good it smells.

What's a good cheap nightly driver?

>>18648542
Honestly I’m ignoring small artisanal houses at the moment just because I’ve already got too much stuff I want to test (from other artisanal houses).

>>18648546
I rather smell something amazing on my skin than something mediocre in the air. For some stuff that's really lacking it usually performs better on clothes.

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>>18648539
Thanks for the warning, and also for the recommendations. Both PR Pour Homme and Azzaro Pour Homme are available, gonna try the Azzaro first as I see it on discounts often.
>Bogart Signature
Is it the picrel one? I found it at a local import store for $60, which means it would probably cost $30 in the US, but no decants :(

>>18648556
That’s the one! It’s quite good, and while $60 is a little pricey compared to what it was historically ($20 or less, I think, been a minute since I got mine) it’s still worth the price imo. It’s in the same vain as PRPH but with some leather in the base.

I'm a midget, not manlet, an actual midget. What fragrance should I wear

>blind buy dior homme intense based on almost universal praise
>try it on and go to the bar with a group of friends
>black guy sits next to me and audibly says "GOT DAYUM IT SMELLS GAY IN HERE"
>everyone looks at me and laughs

>>18648565
>not turning to him and saying, "you must be an expert on smelling gay, huh?"
never miss an opportunity to buckbreak them

>>18648562
anything travel-size

>>18648547
Nuit D'Issey
Lalique White in Black
This is Him!

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>>18648605
Nuit d issey or Rayhaan Cordova?

>>18648628
>Rayhaan
Never tried. It seems like they get shilled a lot, so I'd use caution.
Nuit D'Issey Parfum has a heavier leather emphasis than the EdT, but it's also a bit powdery-sweet so I'd sample it first.

>>18648562
something from ELDO to stand out from the crowd

>>18648576
kek

>>18648010
so chat.... do I? and no, there aint any decants for this 40 dollar fragrance

>>18648677
if you don't hate arab clones and you have 40 bucks to spare then yeah, why not?

>>18648565
The only compliment on DHI I’ve ever gotten was from an extremely drunk 65-70 year old woman.

I love the way it smells, but it’s definitely one of those scents I keep for myself and don’t wear in public.

SOTD: Givenchy EdT Intense
Woody, office-safe with a spicy iris. (Not lipsticky or soapy)
I personally dislike it, but I actually get compliments on it damn near every time I wear it. I have no idea what people like about it, but it’s enough that people bring it up.

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>SOTN: Nicolai Rose Oud
this is an incredible rose+raspberry+oud frag, perfectly balanced, great for a night out, unisex

>>18648687
It doesn't list raspberry, check your shill kit and update your nose.

>>18648706
cope, seethe and dilate

sauvage is OVER
https://basenotes.com/articles/it-reminds-me-of-a-young-questionable-man-dior-sauvage-faces-cultural-backlash-despite-record-sales.20752/

>>18648744
dior has always just been a trend follower with no real brand identity of their own

>>18648744
Sauvage EDT has been giving unc for like 5+ years

>>18648744
>watches video
serious question: are there any white men in the uk

>>18648535
Allure Homme line is nice, I haven't smelled the OG tho
>>18648530
Yeah I should try that, thanks. Fig is one of my favorite notes but I haven't owned a fig fragrance yet.

>>18648706
>>18648687
I find roses kind of jammy and fruity sometimes
but unlisted notes are common too

>>18648436
agreed, Hermes just doesn't miss

>>18648744
what im getting from this is that Sauvage wearers fuck

>>18648760
fig is probably my favorite note in perfumes.
there's a couple good ones woth getting imo
>Fico di Amalfi
>Philosykos
>Cedre Figalia
>Debaser

i bought Office for Men for kicks. what am i in for?

>>18648744
>the most popular frag is actually.... LE BAD
didnt read, heres your You
>>18648747
dior is probably the best designer.
DHI, original DH, Sauvage which has become an NPC scent but is still very good, Eau Sauvage

>>18648798
i think Chanel is desu. Hermes is up there too because imo Terre clears so many other frags out there.

>>18648469
But the gay lipstick smell.....

>>18648419
You tested Good Girl, anon?

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>>18648844
Yeah, I was looking for a fragrance for my gf's birthday hahah, wanted to do a surprise with some white floral which she enjoys. Some people recommended GoodGirl, but I think the Blush variation is a better, sexier perfume because OG GoodGirl screams "I am a serious woman that wants to be taken seriously" and I find that ridiculous.

>>18648469
I'm glad I'm not the only one picking up a chocolate in DHI. I never hear it mentioned.

>>18648789
pucci avolanche
brace yourself

Best iso e super dominant fragrances besides encre noire and another 13?


>>18648521
Encre Noire is not super versatile even for dressing up
>Fougeres
Try cool water, it's from the same perfumer as green irish tweed

>>18648892
Dior Homme 2020

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SOTD Armani Code

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>>18648565
I will never forget this pasta

>>18648747
what a weird statement
Eau Sauvage, Fahrenheit, the OG Dior Homme? those were all quite bold trendsetters, not followers
it's only in recent years that they've played it safe

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What feels more luxurious to you, a heavy bottle or a light bottle?
I imagine a fine glass bottle would me more expensive to produce, but it might also feels less substantial and solid, so it's not strictly about what's most expensive.
I've also found some high end brands have quite thick and heavy bottles, pic related is a good example, while some others have bottles that weight as much as the 100ml of fragrance and alcohol they contain.

>>18648892
Molecule 01 by Escentric Molecules
Terre d’Hermès by Hermès

>>18648927
True statement. Eau Sauvage was unique for using so much hedione as well as jasmine in a men’s fragrance. Fahrenheit really speaks for itself. OG Dior Homme I’m less familiar with but is likely true as well. I think the massive popularity of Sauvage has made them rest on their laurels a bit, but I’ll admit they’ve done a few noteworthy things in recent years. Sauvage Elixir basically made the Elixir craze, and set the tone for loud and massive sillage that everyone is now chasing. Eau Sauvage was also an interesting experiment, but it just didn’t take off, so flops don’t get you recognition.

>>18648999
Regardless of what I think, most people associate “weight” and heft with quality, I can only speculate as to why, perhaps it’s the mental association with ‘more’ or that there’s a sense of surprise when a small object carries a weight that belies its size. Regardless, many manufacturers use this mindset and thicken the walls of their bottles, which does admittedly add a small degree of protection to the product, but more than the glass they put the weight into the cap. So many caps, especially when you look at the extreme low of dollar store brands, are light and flimsy, sometimes just a thin tin sheath like Aspen, so taking a cap off a bottle and realizing it weighs like 10x what you’re used to surprises people (average joes, hopefully not Fragheads) and makes them think “Oooh, fancy!”

>>18648999
Great question because I am quite fascinated by the effect that bottles have in me. Basic marketing but very effective. I think heavier bottles tend to feel more luxurious for the reasons >>18649005 stated, like holding a proper metal trophy instead of a plastic one. >>18648521
is a bottle that attracts me to the frag because it actually looks like there was effort put into branding the ropes by hand, it has that antique look to the cap with the metal coin, it looks like a sick ass heavy potion to me whereas my other bottles are just glass with a metal cap. But something clean, like the Terre D'Hermes line also feels luxurious. The simplicity and transparency evokes effortless luxury, directly opposite of the Le Male line which, while heavy, has a design that has "trying too hard to take your attention" written in the sailor's chest.

>>18648999
hold a Montale bottle. it'll answer your question. weirdest shit ever

>>18648817
I need to look into Chanel because I don't get why people praise it so much. Egoiste, Antaeus, No 5, are classics but then after that is a bunch of Bleu and Allure flankers. I think their Exclusif line never appealed to me because it started as a women's exclusive then they made it unisex to appeal to men. I should give it a chance.
What Chanels do you own other than Anteus, Egoiste, and Bleu?

>>18648843
I don't smell it at all. to me it smells like a sophisticated mix of sweet, floral and woody notes, with neither overpowering the other, and dries down to a cozy cacao vanilla. I also think the opening is absolutely addictive.
>>18648870

>>18648817
which ones from chanel stick out?

>>18649038
>Anteus, Egoiste, and Bleu
You don’t need more.

>>18649051
no love for platinum egoiste?

>>18649045
>>18649038
i only own Allure Homme Eau Extreme and Antaeus. I'd get BdC but it's redundant in my collection at this point.
of their regular line, Pour Monsieur is great . from their Exclusif line, it's been a while but i recall liking Sycomore and Cuir de Russie a lot

>>18649069
>>18649057
>>18649051
Pour Monseiur, Egoiste, Platinum Egoiste, Antaeus, and BDC Exclusif would be a complete collection and you would never need anything else.

>>18648892
Dior homme 2020 and Terre d'Hermes are the big ones with huge doses of Iso E

>>18649005
>what do you think
>regardless of what I think most people think this or that for different reasons and so manufacturers make heavier bottles and caps
Right, but what do you think?
And what about the manufacturers that produce finer glass bottles like Robert Piguet, Le Galion, Comme des Garcons and what have you?
>>18649037
Right, but there are many middle grounds, and manufacturers that produce glass bottles that feel like fine and thin objects rather than odd plastic or metal spray solvents.

>>18648276
>Generally speaking if something smells bad to us, it’s for good reason.
that's true of food when avoiding toxicity but doesn't explain why some people love the smell of gasoline, shit, farts. and only mildly explains the love of the smell of pussy and body odor

>>18648335
I know about CdG. Just thought it was fun to explore. Indies make a metric fuckton of abstract scents but then you're >supporting wamen and all of them have ugly tryhard packaging.

>>18648341
That was Luckyscent. I've only used Luckyscent for niche, The Perfumed Court for historical and vintage/prereform, Ajevie for indie oils, and bought direct from other sites like Serge Lutens or Frederic Malle. Or swaps on
>>reddit
or
>>tumblr.

t. the fag that never posted in this thread before the end of the last one and shit it all up above with those long posts, then didn't post at all yesterday.

>>18648351
>>>>>>>>>>>Lush
not the same since they dumped guerrilla perfume. also their pushpop solids suck more cock than a jb stacy in a pushup. suuuuure get rid of the good one note and complex ones and start making everything sticky dates and supermilk!!!!!!!!!!! not like lust is your only good consistent scent and even sniffing snow fairy will give you the beetus
dad's lemon garden was based though and dirty is so fucking hot to smell on a sexy bipch after a shower

>>18648433
only half frag-related but were you all there for when fragrantica kept posting male articles like every fucking week and getting flooded with channers just chanting faggot faggot faggot frag for faggots in the comments as they kept nuking them
loved the fragrantica culture wars btw tiktok/tumblr/reddit vs 4chinz/altchans. shit was so cash

>>18648466
>it smells like a shampoo
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? They should just make SLS into a note at this point. Shampoo scents > most slop on the market. I do also jerk off to Pledge.

>>18648533
>creed hasnt released a good frag since 2017
did you mean since "ever"?
creed backdating every parfum they release to claim they were like ~worn by audrey hepburn and the queen and the king of monaco and the guy who shot jfk~ is so fucking funny to me. santa maria novella has real history, creed has fake bullshit. where's the expose of it

>https://www.fragrantica.com/news/The-Ghost-Perfumer-by-Gabe-Oppenheim-on-Creed-The-Industry-a-Book-Review-16301.html
>fakes entire history
>sells majority to blackrock
>sells to kering
>kering sells to loreal
>creed still recc'd literally ever

>>18649051
>>18649073
That explains why I never understood the praise for Chanel, I get you can build a basic collection with 4 or 5 of their most popular fragrances but, why would you? I rather have a single bottle of Terre d'Hermes, a single bottle of Fahrenheit, a single bottle of Grey Vetiver, a single bottle of Mugler Cologne, or heck I rather even have Portrait of a Lady. I do believe perfumes are completely subjective but to me Chanel is really safe and underwhelming, not bad at all but doesn't pique my interest. I wouldn't change a single bottle in my collection for an entire collection of Chanel fragrances. I wont give up, I want at least one in my collection.

>>18649099
no one here is denying their larp about making fragrance for marie antoinette's niece or whatever is fake af but to deny they have ever made a good fragrance is preposterous

>>18648999
Attars feel more luxury than any bottle. And then simple designs feel way more luxury than like fuckin Delina.
Alternatively, apothecary-maxxing or otherwise making it look classic. Penhaligon's and Santa Maria Novella mog memers like Marissa Zappas. Unironically think Le Labo got their marketing perf on this, as did Serge Lutens with the bells. Guerlain: classic.

>>18649105
their only mass market one is aventus no? it's just burnt sugar off pineapple juice. aventus isn't bad but it also smells exactly like something you could find for $20 at walmart, which isn't really any indicator or detractor of quality but more bafflement at why the fuck every woman creamed herself and every man jizzed into his own mouth over it. other than that it's, like, what: green irish tweed and silver mountain water? most colognes smell the same honestly.

>>18649107
the real bangers from creed are royal mayfair, royal oud, viking, and royal water

>>18649104
its really only chanels 00's and on releases that are super safe which is funny because i think many people here will agree only their 90s and earlier releases are their best

>>18649115
no 5 l'eau is probably their best fem in the 2000s even if no 19 is the bitch with the whip

>>18649116
tbf i can really only speak for the male targeted line so i should have prefaced that

YSL Y EDP or Afnan Supremacy Not only Intense?

>>18649104
Chanel is kind of overpriced and their post 2000 releases are boring, yeah
Still worth trying Antaeus, Egoiste and Pour Homme (I prefer the later EDP)

>>18649117
what about my heckin
>unisex
frags?

>>18649116
No. 19 is great
Might be leaning unisex nowadays, idk if women still wear stuff like this

Yves Le Parfum smells either absolutely disgusting, chemical and pugnant or I got a fake.

>>18649126
there was a period in like 2014-2016 where wimmin were really into wearing not only unisex but men's scents. le labo mainstreamed that lovely inescapable pickle scent and the wider culture rebounded politically into endless culture wars, with entrenched gender roles coming back en vogue scents shifted once again back to hardcore masculine vs feminine, but instead of the axe/old spice vs britney spears/paris hilton fruity frag of the drakkar noir poster's favorite time period preceding all of this (from 2002-2011ish, note the time on that aligning perfectly with post 9/11 conservative fervor and then shifting to the obama era progressive optimism and into occupy wall street activism-to-cynicism pipeline) it went into p-p-pantydroppers for men and regressive infantile gourmands and lactonics for women. as tradthots have reclaimed more cultural space women's fragrances have become even simpler. lost cherry was like MAYBE the last even remotely semi subversive one and even then everyone just focused on the lolita cherry lollipop vs the description actually saying red bdsm latex and vinyl. byredo 1996 and 19-69 female christ are not something the era of milky skin scent musky musky mmm yummy boy musk goodness clean girl! kids are going to be wearing. i forgot to mention the entire clean girl/vsco/bereal/peach aligning perfectly with glossier you and others abusing pink pepper like i do my hypothetical spouse to make all the "your skin but better" scents and yknow the waves of baccat not a perfume missing person etc. i just want sandalwood to go away now but it's the only thing keeping women from not just smelling like a stripper's pussy soaked in body fantasies cotton candy and aquolina pink sugar now that the last defense of patchouli in fucking EVERYTHING has fallen.
it's straight men driving straight women into the arms of femfraglab who exclusively recommend scents for child prostitutes or 21 year old ones trying to seem older. really grinds my gears!

>le male le female
a lot of big MALE collectors just use female perfums

>>18649141
Rambling but insightful post
I agree that women's fragrances are in an intolerable state right now and cheap stripper sweet as fuck perfume is the norm so much that the other big trend is "perfume that doesn't smell like perfume" because many women think that all these candy bombs are the normal state of perfumery

Doesn't help that men's bestsellers are sweet as fuck gourmands now too

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thanks