>paul saladino renounces keto >claims it gave him low test, insomnia, heart palpitations, cramps>electrolytes totally fuckedInfluencer after influencer is quitting and talking about how it fucked their health.Is the keto movement collapsing?
Pseudo-intellectuals being trapped by meme science is good for us thoughWe can cut and get shredded by doing CICO and just having a good ratio of macros while they'll move onto the next meme and stay looking like shit
>>74217870He still doesn't eat vegetables.He still gets most of his calories from animal products.Going carnivore allowed him to heal his extreme eczema and auto-immune issues. He started adding other foods back in after that.Some people do really well on a keto-carnivore diet. Some less so.He looks better than you (post body faggit)He stopped doing carnivore like 4 years ago, grandpa.Isn't that what we want people to be? Open to new ideas and change your mind if you're wrong. You, on the other hand, sound a lot more intellectually dishonest little faggot.
>>74217935I didn't ask for a list of seethe.Please tell me why everyone who tries keto ends up quitting and renouncing it.
>>74217952>everyoneWhy would you post something that is clearly falsifiable?
>>74217870Its only for easiest quick fix to lose fat , its not a permanent diet. You can still lose fat with high carb its just easier and quicker keto .
Ignore this demoralisation thread and keep eating steak, ketobros
>>74217952most people can only think in extremes, this tend to go extra hard when its about dietsthe people who go to shit on keto and carnivore usually do something retarded like eating a full stick of butter or two every day
>>74217992>BakerA fraud?
>>74217935No, you don't understand. OP is trying to win an imaginary internet argument, so the fact that Saladino is still mostly carnivore is inconvenient and thus has to be omitted.
>>74218178He has children. He has also stated that he is not forcing his children to be carnivore.
>>74218178Are you really so autistic you saved this thinking this was a gotcha?lol
All of his videos have fruit and honey in themYou need to be locked in a padded room, Moxyte
>>74217935Settle down seetheboy lmao.
>>74218569I googled Moxyte after another thread and the first result was his leddit history.I was surprised to find an actual unironic schizo
>>74218508>>74218535>forcing his childrenSo the diet he claims is the only right diet for man is something his own family refuses to follow?
>>74217992>Still not veganThis guy thinks about vegans more than the average man. That makes him a fag
>>74218508>He has also stated that he is not forcing his children to be carnivore.Why? My children eat what I eat because I eat what I believe is best for me. If his diet is so good, why wouldn't his children benefit from it?
>>74217935>He still doesn't eat vegetables.edible fruits are vegetables
>>74217870Why would I give a shit what someone else is eating?
>>74218680You were born spontaneously and have never been influenced by anyone or anything?
>>74218674Edible fruits are fruits
Ok just tell me: how many posts ITT are yours, moxyte? You need serious help bro.
>>74217992I too enjoy low test and diabetes
>>74218699>fruits are fruitsthanks for the insight retard
>>74218713I'm sorry you were wrong and need to be combative to make up for insecurity
>>74218718where was i wrong?
>>74218608>So the diet he claims is the only right diet for man No that's not what he claims.
>>74218731>are vegetables
>>74218743but that's not wrongedible fruits are vegetables
>>74218750They aren't but you do you.
>>74218755Vegetables are parts of plants that are consumed by humans or other animals as food. The original meaning is still commonly used and is applied to plants collectively to refer to all edible plant matter, including the flowers, fruits, stems, leaves, roots, and seeds.
>>74218761Fruits are the developed ovary of a plant. They arent synonymous
>>74217870how many boosters did he have/
>>74218768>They arent synonymousnot all fruits are edible. inedible fruits would not be vegetablesedible ones do fall under the vegetable umbrella
>>74218777Its irrelevant. The definition says nothing about edibility
>>74218785the definition of fruit does not, but the definition of vegetable does
>>74218761You are a pedantic faggot.
>>74218712Oof
>>74218803You are a retarded faggot.
>>74217870he gave up keto carnivore ages ago though? He's been preaching his meat and fruit and honey diet for a while now
>>74218637>>74218608He never claimed this is the only right diet for man.He never claimed this is the most optimal diet. (In fact, he believes it's impossible to figure out the "most optimal" diet)He never claimed this diet is for everyone. He does make certain claims about therapeutic use of a carnivore diet to fix certain health issues. Whether you want to keep being carnivore, or add other foods back in like Paul Saladino (guy in OP) is up to you.He has stated that the long term health effects of a carnivore diet are not studied. But the same is true for the majority of drugs on the market today. He made a short video recently about how he feeds his kidshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ6X3XCzRc8
>>74218803He's being pedantic AND wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjiIwcVqflYHitomi is rich girl that does fuck all every day and responsible for getting thousands of girls to eat only leaves and beans and even she had to give it up lmao
>>74218840>still can't comprehend something fitting in two categories at the same timepublic education was a mistake
>>74218712>testosterone: 237 ng/dlliteral granny tier lmfao
>>74218832>He made a short video recently about how he feeds his kidsnot him but give me a qrd because I don't give grifters views
Veganism is dumb Carnivore is dumb There is no magic diet to solve your problems
>>74217870>Influencer after influencer is quitting and talking aboutFuck off and buy an ad.
>>74217870>We can't make this up , what a world??? Scientist man tries experiment, finds out it don't work. Why can't tweetman think this good? What a moron. Based Carnivore MD for being honest and finding it out. So where are we? Its bad for everyone? It works for someone?
>>74218861I jerked off to her explaining how she fucks but she's now a dyke
>>74218712>>74218804>>74219117why does the number matter if he isn't experiencing any symptoms?
>>74219356>i have colon cancer, its ok though because I can't feel it.
>>74219232>Scientist manWrong>Why can't tweetman think this good?Because he sold it to people telling them it was optimal and correct
>>74219484that's correct though, so you haven't proven me wrong in any way
>>74217935shut up gay retard
>>74218674>goalpost movement
we accept your concession, veggieDYEL
>>74219738You didnt make a point, Theres no need to prove you wrong, you asked a question. I showed how silly the question was by asking a question with the same logical premise.
>>74217870>SaladinoHe is Italian. His farmer race grew up on grains.
>>74217992did he get a hair transplant?
>>74219506Yikes. Well at least he admit to being wrong and is doing what he can to correct it
>>74219775i never set any goalposts to movehe does eat vegetables, that's all im sayin. ive got no horse in the race. i'm omnivore but have done carni for a short period and it felt pretty gud. don't care if people want to wreck themselves with veganism, either. do what u want faggot
>>74217952It's a weight loss program. Not a way of life.
>>74221050holy shit the amount of cope.
>>74217870>muh anecdote Most of the keto diet has noootrients that are precursors of test, and are filled with electrolytes. As of most things, you gotta try it, before you judge it. I do a high protein/fat diet. I can most days eat under maintenance calories, gain strength, muscular size, and lose bodyfat. Gut issues and bloating are also not an issue. This is, of course, another personal anecdote. But many report the same thing. I am not a keto obsessed tard though, I eat some fruits and veggies, and I still take zinc, vit d etc. I haven't watched their shit, but they have to explain why they are losing, because many societies, early man, meat/game hunter, Inuit whale protein/blubber/fat/ Icelandic fish protein/fat were totally healthy. In reality, just check out nutrient content, and digestibility. I always feel fat and full after a big pasta dish, my belly hanging out. Meanwhile I can eat a big steak, 100 grams of protein, and while I feel not hungry, I also don't feel my stomach full and bloated.
>>74220631What did he do to correct it
>>74217870Moxyte sucked him off and threatened to out him if he didn't renounce
>claims it gave him low test, insomnia, heart palpitations, crampssounds like normal anxiety symptoms just toughen up
>>74219484>comparing real disease to a number on a lab slipwhew lad
>>74217992The only problem I see is where is he getting vitamin c from?
>>74221465meat has some vitamin C. people argue its enough when youre not eating carbs. maybe it is i dont know
>>74217935spbp
>>74217870> been on keto-low carb since 2020Your specific diet is irrelevant regarding health complications, as long as you get all the required vitamins, minerals and fibres, the source of your energy doesn't matter. I don't eat high-carb grains, starchy vegetables and staples like rice and bread. I eat a balance of vegetables, meats, nuts, fruit, and dairy. I do allow myself to eat high-carb foods, as long as I don't exceed 50grams of carbs a day. I did comprehensive medical test last year and all my results came back showing excellent health. You only get health complications if you under or over exceed mineral and vitamin requirements. Doing stupid shit like only eating meat or only eating fruit is obviously going to end up with an imbalance. Diet is really fucking simple, I don't even understand why you would listen to 'influencers'.
>>74218674all plant foods are technically vegetables
>>74217870He's advocated for eating tons of fruit for a while now.
>>74218637The metabolism and nutritional needs of children are not like an adults, and not every adult actually would benefit from the same diet, we all have different optimal diets
>>74221450>real health is how I feelWow I guess heroin and twinkies are healthy then
>>74218861>that does fuck all every dayshe is a youtuber you peasant. she creates entertainment for you watch on youtube. wtf do you do?
>>74217912fpbp
>>74217952You really need to end your own life, Moxyte.
>>74217870what one conversation with georgi does to a mf
>>74218178what the fuck am i supposed to be seeing here
>>74217870>>74217952>>74218178>>74218608>>74218712No, Moxyte the ketoschizo, it is you who is collapsing.Your thread is already over. Enjoy obesity.
>>74217870My total test went up 71% on a blood test on keto (from 273 ng/dl to 467 ng/dl) but my LDL cholesterol went up over 200%. It was already high to begin with.Obviously the blood tests for testosterone were instantaneous readings at one particular moment, but testosterone fluctuates quite a lot so they definitely did not capture my highest possible readings during the time periods of the different diets. For example in the before test, if I took the test 16 days later at a slightly different time, my test may have been 641 ng/dl instead of 273. Likewise my keto test reading might have been 563 ng/dl if I took the test on a different day during my keto phase. And my absolute highest testosterone reading in the non keto phase might have been 941.3342 ng/dl on a really good day for an instant in time. During the keto phase my absolute highest test reading may have been 1255.5653 ng/dl for a brief moment on a great day.Here is graph which shows testosterone levels measured every 10 minutes for a continuous 36 hour period in a 2 random healthy males, in one it varies from 200 to 1400 ng/dl during this time. In the other from 400 to 1400 ng/dlWhat I'm trying to say is single blood tests are not scientific. Especially for a highly fluctuating hormone like testosterone, and a blood test won't truly tell you what is happening to your test levels in your body over time.
>>74219117Grannies would have around 12 ng/dl of testosterone, so his levels in this blood test are about 20 times higher than a granny.
>>74217952>>74218578>>74219774intense malding from the veggieDYEL who infests this board
>>74218608These guys like the vegans and all the sciencebased lifters all feel like grifters pretending they have the secret that they just happen to want to sell you, even Bryan Johnson a multimillionaire is shilling supps to retardfags that lap it up HUUUURR MUH BLUEPRINT SUPPS !!!! MY BIOMARKERS SAY IM A NEWBORN AGAIN !!!!±!!
>>74221272he is saying like "ayo guys i was wrong"
>>74223204Its hyperbolic
>thread unironically and unapologetically about fucking """influencers"""">21 hours>100 replieslegitimately hate every faggot on this boardgod what a piece of shit it's become
>>74224157You solved a captcha to post this
>>74224178I'm not poor you retarded faggot
>>74224182
>>74224192
>>74224201What
Lmao another one of the carnivore clowns Bart Kay changed the definition to "70% animal based" recently, mentioning he eats pizza, fruit, and drinks beer.Their meme diet is so shit that they literally just go omnivore and pretend they're still doing their shit right. Hilarious
>>74217870he's aging rapidly these days. I wouldn't do what hes doing. Also he always sounds like he has mucus in his throat
>>74218712How do you get diabetes on a diet that excludes carbs?
>>74222199Trust the science am I right
>>74226516By excluding carbs
>>74217870>no longerHe's a grifter but from the start he was emphasizing fruits. What is this keto obsession with trying to claim everyone for their own. They even try to claim Ray Peat who promoted the opposite of keto.
Extreme diets are pushed by unproductive people and adopted by unhappy people
>>74224146He said “literally”
>>74218790They're not vegetables
>>74217870I mean, you can lose weight w it but it reaches a point where you can't deny sugar anymore or else you get (ironically) diabetes metabolism due to all the lipid per oxidation and stress fucking up your system. Milk, white sugar, coconut oil ice cream affogato, orange juice w a dash of salt... Cant imagine life without that unless you are some dude stranded in an island. Not a big fan of durianrider since I love gelatinous cuts of meat but his sheer sugar energy is much more vigorous and real than anything in keto because he can suppress any stressors w sugar.
>>74227330Yes he did
>>74225128nobody cares you faggot vegan
>>74217870Keto is a fine diet for weight loss. It was practically what body builders in the 60's and 70's were doing for their cuts. They just made sure to occasionally have a high carb meal like once every three days. Keto is a short term diet. It is not a long term diet.
>>74225128>hot dog: bread + sausage + veggies + mustardAll things my ancestors ate>pizza: bread + cheese + meatAll things my ancestors ate>bacon: cured meat + spiceswhat my ancestors ate>burger: meat + bread + cheese + veggieswhat my ancestors ate>fried chicken: flour + meat + oilThe only thing relatively novel may be the deep frying.
>>74228687I'm not that guyLiterally just a random anonWho said he was vegan lmaoSeething Eating saturated fatty acids on a daily basis has been scientifically proven to be bad for you relax
>>74218067You should be cycling opposite extremes constantly.Work hard sleep hard.
>>74228820Saturated fats are literally testosterone you faggot. Now shut up and eat 2 lbs of meat and 36 eggs per day.
>>74228857There is no real science behind that claim lmaooooooooo
>>74228870It's either listen to the lean muscular guy who tells you to eat 36 eggs per day or the fat DYEL certified nutritionist who tells you eggs are bad for you. The wise man chooses to listen to the man with gainz and ignore the DYEL (if their advice ever worked, they wouldn't be a fat DYEL).
>>74221655'zactly>>74227371they are. why not just look up the definition of vegetable instead of posting cringe
>>74228887Post body
>>74217870keto was always retarded he should've done carnivore
