Natural lifting does nothing.
>here’s that 25 year old lifter I was telling you about bro
>this thread is allowed but indian lifting general gets deleted
It's 2024 everyone is on roids there is literally no social shame in using them and there hasn't been for a while now the only people that care are gym newbies and literally noone elseIf you wanna do steroids just do them, noone cares and it won't make you get a girlfriend.
I do it because of health
>>74753698Mogs you
>>74753888Based grandma
>>74753899I'm just a sick person
>>74753913Get better soon
>>74753919You cannot get better when you suffer from a chronic condition
>>74753506I lift natty because I have 3 kids and I’m just kinda bored and it helps me get my anger out and a break from the kiddos What’s weird is a noticed I get hit on more and it makes my wife super territorial and horny
I am long time natty lifter, i thought about using steroids in past but realized that i am better off being decent natural lifter than being lower end steroid user.. as there is steroid user and steroid user, latter being “big doses, all kinds of compounds and with questionable health impact” user. One day in future when i am old i will consider TRT.People irl often think i am on steroids and i look better than some steroid users.
>>74753506I'm going to continue lifting and there is nothing you can do to stop me
>>74753947Sounds like your ego is tied to being natural which is unsurprising but a very low IQ reason to stay natural
>>74753888Lifting is bad for your health
>>74753506>Natural lifting does nothingMeanwhile I have bitches on my ass calling me a roider for the past 2 years
>>74753965You are right that my ego is tied to being natural but i dont think its very low iq reason, and its one of many reasons. If you arent professional athlete doing steroids isnt rational at all, and my lifts have already gotten me so many joints injuries, combining steroids and tendency to lift a lot of weights result in even more injuries, and thats not counting other possible health complications and annoyances that come with using AAS. If you dont agree with this you are subjective.
>>74753923I wish you a swift recovery is all.
>>74754039>6'3">240>17% bodyfat I've had people think I was on roids and I have to explain to them I'd be way bigger and more cut if I was. Any person with a well developed chest is a roider to most people.
>>74753923Damn, you must be a fun person to be around :/
>>74754039>>74754093Post body
>>74754111I'm the genie guy
>>74754205Doesn't look roided at all
>>74754205That belt makes the waist look slimmer than it actually is
>>74754205Larp, Gutsanon is 5’10 not 6’3 bitch
>>74754251I think you might have gotten the posts confused
>>74754274I did I’ll now run away in Shame :(Lmao
>>74754205I’m on gear and this guy mogs me kek
>>74754343You know what you must do
>>74753970wrong. lifting heavy and taking steroids are bad your health. lifting in bodybuilding ranges (8-30 reps or even higher) is very healthy. if you keep the rest between sets short it even doubles as cardio. and not the bad kind of cardio like running a marathon or running every day.
>>74754343You should've gotten your noob gains before roiding. Eventually you will outperform him
>>74753506Roid tranny weak twink cope. Seething genetic loser.
>>74754671>Roid tranny weak twink cope. Seething genetic loser.
>>74754338Understandable, oblivion awaits thee
>>74754732Post your roidcel physique, I’m sure it’s very impressive and well worth raping your organs and castrating yourself for.
>>74754732did his tits move further apart?
>>74754343Anon, I...
>>74753506> Makes you aesthethic > Cant become too bulky> Women dont like a roider physique, they see abs and think you're jacked> Non gym goers see you and think you're olympia level cause they have no body standards> Makes you live longer> Feel awesome every day> Continuing a millenary tradition of naturally building your body as the greeks didAre there really people who lower their life expectancy and sacrifice their health instead?
>>74755663Angle frauding manlet. You look like you weigh 60kg. Post a pic from a distance
>>74755756After you post a body picture. Ball's in your court.
>>74755781Heh, "balls"
>>74753698>>74753889gives me the ick
>>74755756post body
>>74756906You're defending a pajeet manlet victim weight
>>74756934He's defending a pajeet, you cant even defend yourself
>>74756963Sure i can, that guy is angle frauding and looks tiny. I'd dwarf him irl. You think he can even bench 2 plates?
>>74753506left has built a great base to build on with bulkingright just looks greatsocial media rotted your brainheil hitler and heil biden
>>74757002>Sure i can, that guy is angle frauding and looks tiny. I'd dwarf him irl. You think he can even bench 2 plates?if you looked good, youd post body
>>74757043>if you looked good, youd post bodyThen post body.
>>74757014Lmao
>>74757070will you post body if i do?
>>74757070>>74757081BOTH OF YOU POST BODY NOW.LETS SETTLE THIS LIKE MEN
>>74757126heres mine and what i looked like when i started. fwiw the people in op and the dude hes saying he mogs look great. if you disagree, social media has warped your mind. these are my results and im proud of them. theyre just the beginning. lets see if the shit talker shows himself too.
>>74757142Miring the that progress. How long did this take?
>>74753506The funniest part is that even if you don't roid, waste 10 years making the same amount of progress as a newbie roider does in 3 months, carefully manage your diet instead of eating whatever you want, everyone will still think you are using steroids so WTF is the point kek
>>747571553.5 years. i took a year off in the middle to get my career sorted.
>>74757164>so WTF is the pointMogging.
>>74757164The point is that muscle and strength outside of peaking more or less stays with you forever with minimal effort, and you didn't shave 20-30 years off your lifespan from going through puberty again every other week
>>74757070not gonna post body?
>>74757142You're like this guy pic rel tacking your old subhuman self to make your current physique look more impressive than it actually is. You have gyno and scrotum skin but you do mog the other dyels i'll give you this.
>>74757286Post body then
>>74757287so you arent gonna post body? got it.
>>74757287coward
>>74753506I'm almost done ramping back up the weight I'll let yall know how long it takes me to ohp 135-185 for reps hoping 3 months.
>>74757299Wanna see my penis gayboi?
>>74757352i honestly hope things get better for you man. god bless you and good luck.
>>74757379I'm not even gay
>>74756934Im not indian and Im 180cm 85kg >>74757002I bench 130kg yesNotice how the only person in the thread who wont post body is the most negative guy
>>74757338Post body
>>74757142Insane transformation, is it natty?
>>74757409Really doubt that. Your belly button is below the door frame.
>>74757431I did 3 cycles but I'm natty now
>>74757430>Post bodyi did >>74757142
>>74757504That's not you
>>74757379That's where you are wrong. OP should be beaten to within an inch of his life. That is the only thing they understand.
>>74757507yes it is
>>74757466So on that pic on the right you werent natty? Still a good physique
>>74757459You claim I angle fraud but you can judge my height based on said picture with fraudy angles?And yes I am 180cm
>>74757520This post isn't me >>74757466 I appreciate the compliment thoughThis one is me >>74757517
>>74757532>You claim I angle fraud but you can judge my height based on said picture with fraudy angles?yes
>>74757466a bit pathetic to false flag as me dude. honestly man i really do hope things get better for you. do your best and deal with the hard times now so that you can reach your dreams someday
>>74757534Ohh, so someone else answered the cycles stuff, so are you natty or ?
>>74757557yeah im guessing its the guy who keeps complaining in the thread. im not on roids. finally starting to get back the size i had as a obese powerlifter. i lost a ton of muscle on the way down to 160lb. just finished up my first bulk over the past 5 months. about to hit the elliptical now.
>>74757550You look like shit and no wonder you support the dyels seething at roids. You're in no position to be patronizing or condescending
>>74757578lol
>>74757578You still havent posted body your words are meaningless>>74757569Probably him, good luck my man WAGMIThis is my transformation
>>74754222Kek
>>74757596>using child pic for a transformationAngle frauding again. Put the camera further away, i've done the same thing can't fool me
>>74757610Using child pic cause I started lifting as a kid so its the only way to get a pic from before I liftedI already told you I can upload a pic of myself from further away once you post body
>>74757634Nice mental gymnastics, maybe on ig someone might be impressed by your progress from age 10 to age 16 angle frauding
>>74757650So you cant do a before and after picture if you started lifting at 14?
>>74757596fuck yeah. cant wait to look like that again after this cut. it feels nice huh. the best part is all the cool sports and activities you can do when youve gotten fitter. whatre you doing now? cutting, bulking, maingaining or maintenence?>>74757650you make me sad man
>>74757701Im reaching the end of a bulk now, and yea the difference is wild even in just 10-15kg you completely different when doing sports and way stronger in calisthenics. Good thing about the bulk body is moving more weight at the gym
>>74757719absolutely. im looking forward to having the muscles add to my tdee, so i can stay leaner with less trouble. my metabolism was super crashed from losing all the weight. i didnt realize how bad it was until i started bulking and 4 months in 4k calories wasnt gaining me any weight anymore lmao. good luck brother. dont forget to use what youve learned to help someone out at some point.
>>74753889lmfao they have the same level of chest development
>>74754205Lol at the tactical belt accessory
>>74754205you don't look roided because no veins popping out where they shouldn't
>>74756934so show me his body
>>74757352dodging lol
OP is a brown discord tranny. Only one of those can repeatedly get BTFO'd by several different people simultaneously and act like this. Words are useless on them as they lack the cognitive facilities necessary for self reflection.
>>74757002post body or shut the fuck up you blithering faggot
>>74757844i wasnt condescending. he seems like hes in a lot of pain. i hope things improve for them.
>>74755663>steroids make you live longerHoly shit, what an inbred retard
>>74753506Roiding before you natty lift and build a base would be really dumb. You may find you don't need to or want to as you can reach the goals you want without it.
>>74757844Funny thing is, I’m the guy in the left in his photoI made fun of Derek four fucking days ago and he’s still spamming this cute little meme he made nearly a week later kekBrownoid behavior
>>74757926you post on /lean/ right? i saw your picture there once. its time to bulk. no hate btw. youve gotten amazingly lean.
>>74754039You most probably are a roider you asshole. I hate lying roiders more than anything in this world
>>74757920Is life tough with an extra chromosome? Im listing things natty lifting does, you live longer than roiders cause of the side ffects of steroids, and you live longer than sedentary people cause of the benefits of exercise
>>74753970ture, the best thing to do for your health is to sit all day and work a desk job
>>74758146lmao u mad
>>74753506Mental illness
>>74760417retard
>>74754205What do you do for core?dw2w
>>74753506I'm natural because God would be mad if I wasn't
>>74754205After three years of lifting I now realize you have great genetics.
>>74754603There's absolutely nothing inherently injurious about sets of reps under 8. Only if you perhaps max out in every single lift you do, every time you train, but even 1 RM isn't necessarily bad. Nothing wrong with running every day either. All that matters is what you're conditioned to do.
>>74757578Post body
>>74761757God gave us steroids. It's either all modern medicine or none of it. Christcucks love to cherrypick
>>74761953Not even closly analogous. Cope harder.
>>74762176Dumbass christcuck
>>74753965roids lower your iq
>>74753506how much gains can I realistically get with anavar + hcg and enclo? significantly better than from supplements and enough to bother? I'm high test, so I don't need TRT and something that completely shuts down your test production at the pituitary level and use something that has a 1:1 anabolic to androgenic ratio for the purpose of building muscle
>>74761713Heavy OHP, front squats and leg raises on dip bars>>74761774But I never would have known that had I remained a skinnyfat dyel
>>74756495is roidtranny really the tranny browncel insult?
>>74761757ok pedro Verification not required.
>>74762187remember kikes have totally pacified christcucks. christcucks even defend kikes
>>74753506That’s really not true, but I understand why people juice. There will be hell to pay in your 30s though bc it really ages you. There’s a lot of upside though.
>>74762612i don't care what lookism faggots think
>>74753965Biggest reason I stayed natty was fear of Left Ventricle hyper trophy, hair loss, acne, and accelerated aging. Those are all good reasons not to do it. IMO there are good reasons to do steroids and not do them, but if you do them you better be sure you can handle it. A lot of people get no results because they don’t know how to train and eat.
>>74761757I roid because god wanted me to.
>>74762634>oh no my boyfriend won't think i'm pretty anynorenattycucks in a nutshell kek
>>74762649Anybody seething over somebody using or not using steroids needs to get psychological help. Anyway, you sound like a retard.
>>74762674at least i'm not a faggot (like you) kek
Anyone who thinks natural lifting is a waste of time just doesn't know how to make gains naturally so they take a shortcut. PERIOD. End of story. A good portion of those who hop on gear wouldn't have if they only knew how to maximize gains without it.Pity.
>>74761953Unnecessary body mods are discouraged because we belong to God first.>>74762588More like Vlad, but I'm American actually. >>74762635I doubt that. >>74762599Well the orthodox church doesn't.
>>74762710>Well the orthodox church doesn't.russia is the biggest orthodox country its full of kikes and muzzies but yeah sure they aren't given the ol in an out by the kikes
>>74762703Okay, feel free to share your secrets
>>74762703a post like this should 100% have to post body i guarantee its a dyel pajeet whos like 20% bf
>>74762612>it really ages youDumbass natty who doesn't understand hormones. Why does it age only open bodybuilders but Jeff Seid looks perpetually 20yo? I'll let you figure it out on your own this time
>>74762634>fear of Left Ventricle hyper trophy, hair loss, acne, and accelerated agingEverything except heart hypertrophy is solved and only an issue if you don't know what you're doing.
>>74762782I think what's worse is an actual genetically gifted guy leading the blind DYELs into gains that will never come.>oh you don't train rightIs the response every time. It's like a religion promising gains that never end up coming.
>>74753506Reminder that OP does not lift, naturally or otherwise.
>>74763390Why is the guy pushing you to make it at all costs not lift? It's quite the opposite the DYEL crabs would rather have you toil for decades even if you have shit genetics than actually make it while you're young and there's a point to it
>>74762995he should start a grifting youtube channel
>>74753698He's 32 bro give it a rest.
>>74753506The steroid seether: OP picThe steroid user: dies.
>>74762772> feel free to share your secrets First off, they aren't secrets. The information is out there but people don't recognize the truth when they see it. The problem with bodybuilding is in order to perform trial and error(to see what works)a trail could take months or even YEARS to determine if it works or is an error. Most don't have the nerve to perform the trail nor the discipline to continue it and even it's application it flawed thereby producing inferior results.(application has to be damn-near perfect)>a post like this should 100% have to post body i guarantee its a dyel pajeet whos like 20% bfI'm NOT the biggest.Nor am I the strongest.But I am 100% NATURAL. Never hopped on gear. The meager shit I have accomplished is through many, many, years of learning the HARD way.
>>74764193i don't listen to brown people
