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Are there any PEDs for recovery? Is there anything I could take from time to time to help me recover so I don't have to take another day off before doing the same workout? Sometimes, certain muscles will just randomly be a bit sorer and for longer after the same workout. What about BPC-157 and TB-500?

>>75319767
Yes. But if you are trying to grow specific muscle groups you should train at a high frequency even when sore. It is called nuclei overload training look it up.

>>75319759
Current stack (first cycle), 6th week:
>125mg test-e eod (437.5mg pw)
>1000 IU hCG split into 3 doses MWF
>0.5mg adex eod

I'm thinking of subbing out the adex for primo, which I read can act as an AI without nuking your lipids, on top of being mildly anabolic.
Any pointers? Dosage? Frontloading?

>>75320010
Get rid of the adex. That's not enough test to warrant an AI, and you don't want low E, as it's neurotoxic and doesn't allow the GABA system to function properly, resulting in lots of anxiety.

>>75320123
I'll get my E2 checked soon but I have zero anxiety or any other noticeable low-E2 symptoms.
What dose of primo will be able to substitute for the amount of adex that I'm taking?
Should I frontload it/taper it up? It's enanthate

100 test cypronate.

1-Testosterone, 1-Test, DHB

Anavar, Var

what would be a gppd dpse forf all of these

Superdrol, Sdrol, Methasteron

rate my stack also what things should i take into consioderation?
my main concern isprolactyin and gyno from that or estrogen

>>75320010
>>75320222
Don't front load primo. You will crash your e2. At a low test dose like that you won't need much primo. Maybe 200mg a week? The effects vary by person though, so start low, and titrate up until you find what works for you. And not everyone gets the e2 effects. I think it's supposed to bind to some receptor that excess test would bind to, preventing aromitization

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started 500mg test cycle last thursday. took a good 40 mins to work up the courage to pin my ass. what should i look out for in the first month?

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current cycle: 200mg test, 400mg masteron, 100mg deca(for joints), 4iu hgh daily, 4mg salbutamol and 200mg caffeine 3x a day

down 5 lbs from cruising weight in about a month, need to run a higher deficit 2bh, goal cut 10 more lbs asap

>>75321368
boners and better sleep
bad sides hit me about week 6
got emotional and nips itchy, started minimal AI dose then

>>75321368
>what should i look out for in the first month?
mostly placebo since it takes ~2-4 weeks to saturate
Your body should swell up with ~5 lbs of glycogen/water over the course of the month
Better pumps from increased glycogen
I had mild 'insomnia' (had trouble falling asleep but felt well rested) weeks 1 and 2 [probably placebo]
oh yeah also really bad PIP since I was so bad at injecting
also having higher libido

>>75321396
weird cutting stack for 700mg of gear imo
test / primo or eq / anavar / [tren if you want to get peeled and don't care about your health at all] would give better results in just about every way

>>75321368
Eubank get off /fit/ man

>>75321396
emotional like anxiety or depression?
>>75321734
this makes me excited to hit the month mark, i've been natty for my 7 years of training. libido isnt a problem but keeping an erection is difficult, maybe test will fix that.

2.5 weeks into a blast…
650 Tren ace
350 Test prop
700 Mast prop
350 primo e (for e2 control)

Going really well so far. Basically no sides other than minor insomnia. Lifts are increasing. Lower belly and back fat is shredding off, almost completely gone. I think I tolerate tren really well.

Just started 2iu hgh while I’m cruising. The first vial I reconstituted is a little cloudy. The source says that this batch had a little too much binder in it but they’ll refund me if I destroy all the vials and document it. Other people on sst have had the same problem and used it anyway and say it’s fine. Should I even worry about it? I’ve been using it with no issues so I’m not worried about infection, I just don’t want to pay that much for some bunk shit. I don’t have any sides but it’s only been a few days and I don’t even usually get them on growth until like 4iu or so.

On a pretty basic cycle, 500 test e, 300 npp pinning 3x per week. Started to get minor e2 sides, got blood done and estradiol was at 90. Have aromasin and nolva on hand. What kind of dosing should I start with in my AI to keep my e2 in check?

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>>75321368
Lower IQ and increased rate of brain aging (so for example if you were 30 your brain will be at the age of a 40 year old after your cycle)
Feels good to be natty!

>>75321968
Nice bro

>>75320787
Nta but is there a predictable period of time one can expect one's e2 to recover after stopping arimadex?

>>75322221
Meant for
>>75320123

>>75319767
are you this nigger? >>75319434
Deca doesn't heal tendonitits. It just masks the pain. If you keep lifting hard you will keep doing more damage. When you finally come off the deca you will be in much more pain than when you started

>>75321396
All of that shit just to lose 5lbs in a month and most of that was water and glycogen.
You people are beyond hopeless.

>>75321826
just wanting to cuddle more with wife
needing her attention more
ever have a girlfriend that thinks you are about to breakup and tries to put shit into overdrive to compensate?
stereotypical woman behavior, weird experience
AI immediately fixed it though

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>>75322298
>>75321734
I run low dose deca year round for hobby sports
200 test is just a cruise dose really, probably could do 150 or even 100 for this honestly
400 mast, my experiment and sorta the real reason behind this cycle, never taken it before
but yeah been eating too much, and thus the poor results for the size of the stack
PRd a couple things and rehabbed a nagging shoulder injury tho, so there's that
this whole blog is more me guilt tripping myself into cutting harder
like and subscribe, haha

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>>75321368

finished my first cycle recently of 600mg test cyp (2x300/week) and some of the things you could possibly notice/what I noticed

>sweating more at the gym/at night
>higher sex drive
>diamond boners in the morning
>mood changes. anxious at times, feeling a bit more self righteous or quicker to snap back
>skin issues possibly (I got a bit of bumps on my ass at one point and just cleaned it with alcohol and it went away)
>hard nipples
>way more energy to the point its hard to sleep at night sometimes

made sick gains and none of the sides were that bad to deal with. don't think I would wanna be on this shit indefinitely though it feels kinda draining after a while. around like the 4th month I just decided it was time to stop because I wasn't even looking forward to the next injection anymore so I just listened to my body and am taking some time off until next year when I wanna experiment with some DHT derivatives/orals + test base.

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>>75322139

I play chess at a decently high level and I used my chess ELO to track this concept of reduced fluid intelligence on steroids.

>while on cycle you are definitely slightly dumber
>when you stop it reverts to normal
>weed has a bigger impact on fluid intelligence than steroids do

its overblown, non permanent but it does exist. on cycle you will be slightly dumber but its pretty mild and less impactful than smoking pot so this is pretty overblown.

TLDR: I guarantee I am still smarter than you faggot

Will taking test improve my libido, specifically the refractory period?

I am horny as fuck after a few days without sex or fapping but then once I blow it takes days to get back to that level.

>>75322935

I live with my girlfriend and fuck like 5 times a week and I would still jerk it every day on test and had opportunities to cheat that I considered but didn't follow through with. I didn't have any libido issues before though but still noticed the increase in drive while on it.

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>>75322863
600mg, man that's quite a hefty first cycle. got before and after pics?
>wasn't even looking forward to the next injection
man i wish this was me because since the first injection, i'm eagerly waiting for the next

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>>75322957
>>75322935
>on cycle
>difficult not to go fuck the massage girls at the place nearby
>jerk off 2+ times a day
>fuck wife at least once daily
>started idly talking to her about a live in second girl to have kids with
>she starts working out harder and dieting more seriously
sorta feel like an ass but god damn I want to impregnate every woman ever here recently

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>>75319759
>tranny general

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>>75323578
What the hell did you just say about my cycle, you little newbie? I’ll have you know I’m a seasoned bodybuilder, I’ve been on more cycles than you’ve had hot meals, and I’ve completed over 300 hardcore lifting programs. I am trained in hypertrophy, strength training, and I’m one of the top gym rats on the planet. You are nothing to me but just another noob. I’ll crush your pathetic deadlift PR with my warm-up sets, mark my words. You think your half-rep bench impresses anyone? Think again, weakling.

As we speak, I’m dialing in my macros, calculating the perfect split, and adjusting my Test, Tren, and Masteron stack. Not only am I trained in lifting techniques, but I have access to the best gear money can buy, and I will use it to its full extent to shred down to 5% body fat and crush you in any competition, on stage or in the gym.

You think you can talk smack behind a keyboard? Think again, bro. You’re weak, small, and clueless. While you were doing your little "natural" bulk, I was blasting Tren and pulling 600+ lbs deadlifts. I’ve hit PRs that would make you cry. And now you think you can come at me with your natty nonsense?

I’ve been running cycles since you were still curling in the squat rack. I can out-lift, out-bulk, and out-shred you any day of the week. Consider your gym career over, because I’m coming for you and I won’t stop until you’re nothing but a skinny-fat, overtrained mess crying at the bottom of a squat rack.

Test me, and you’ll regret ever stepping into a gym.

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>>75323224

I posted a couple pics in the last thread with no pump and shit lighting that don't really do me justice but I am quite happy with the progress. I will drag the girlfriend to the gym sometime soon and get some decent pics to post.

>eagerly awaiting the next
I was for months and then I just kinda knew when it was time to take a break when I wasn't excited to inject anymore

>600mg is hefty

I mean it was noticeably I guess mentally stressful a bit after months of it. Everyone here LARPs that they take like 2 grams of shit and an assload of Tren or something absurd but I can already tell 19-nors are something I don't think I want to ever fuck with and if I can make gains on less I don't really see the point of pushing it. Next cycle I am thinking like 300 test/week + anavar preworkout and more of a focus on leaning out. Planning to start in January.

5'9" ~205 pounds right now and all of my lifts are at an all-time high and increasing. Lifts were all stalled before the cycle and not making any progress.

Biggest surprise was that after putting on this new muscle over the last 3 months I haven't lost anything coming off yet and my strength is still increasing when I expected to feel like shit or see some regression.

>>75323507
based. I joke with my girlfriend about hiring a sexy maid to gaslight her in a similar way. we were at a halloween party last Friday and even on my best behavior this chick started chatting me up and wanted to take a picture with me in our costumes and I knew that my girlfriend knew that I could have fucked her if I wanted to. Honestly think stuff like this is healthy for a relationship to an extent instead of being a cuck and letting women control the power dynamic.

>>75322957
>>75323507
Sounds incredible.

How much are you guys taking?

what if you are taking fin, then hop on test, what happens?

>>75323892
if you are balding natty and need finasteride then you hop on 300mg+ of testosterone [+ finasteride] your hairline is cooked
Finasteride decreases DHT by 70% not 100%

>>75318162
>that steroids fuckin rule and have almost no downsides if you're not a fatass or on pianaman dosages
basically. there's thousands of anecdotes online to back this up.
what was your peak dosing?

>>75322139
Proof? And how do you stop this?

>>75322044
I think 50mg of Asin supposedly reduces your estradiol by around 50%. I'm on 600 test e/320 npp/105 tren ace wk rn and I take a 25mg asin when I pin my test, and I feel fine, don't have recent bloods for this though as I've changed my cycle a bit. I'd say start with 25mg on the days you pin if you pin a long ester, that works for me and I've seen that corroborated a lot online.

>>75323874
wouldn't translate, everyone is different or near about
not only do compounds have variable effects but so does amounts and time on them
generally you want highest blood levels of test and e2 with limited or no AI while avoiding higher doses of tren and deca
lot of ways to get there
for me, test/mast/anavar plus some cialis is the stack for max boners maybe some EQ instead of AI depending on how much total aromatization I expect
ppl also get good results from proviron and maybe even HCG
primo is often used instead of AI too
tldr its complicated

>>75324061

>proviron

don't touch this shit unless you are already bald or don't care about going bald. its 100% going to instantly rape your hair.

>EQ

how is it? I have heard the side effects are weird/shitty from lots of people

>>75322935
Refractory period is how long you have to wait between ejaculating. Prolactin controls that. Take cabergoline, or pramipexole. Both have side effects, and you're dumb if you take them just to lower prolactin

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Is there any hope of growing my dick on plain old trt at my age? I started recently after discovering and removing the pituitary tumor that plagued me throughout my life. I got to 6 inches throughout puberty but only hit 4 inches girth. I’m 22 and it’s brutal suicide fuel to have gotten this close to greatness but be lacking in the thing that matters more

>>75324075
>>EQ
>
>how is it? I have heard the side effects are weird/shitty from lots of people
poor man's primo, popular because people in the 90s were able to easily get horse steroids from mexico

>>75324075
>100% going to instantly rape your hair.
you fucking hairlet baldcels are sad.
Proviron didnt rape your hair, your shitty genes did

>>75324087
No

>>75324087
not likely, hgh may be a better bet and even then it's only worked on ppl that didn't properly go through puberty

>>75324103
>>75324105
So suicide is the only answer then
I don’t wanna be relegated to having to eat pussy my whole life

>>75324115
Look up the getting bigger subplebbit, or pharmape if you're brave

>>75324075
>EQ
I like the EPO and AI effects
gives me cardio for days and strength gains after you are on long enough
will increase rbc count and maybe BP but never a big deal for me
it will take a toll on lipids
never got anxiety or crashed e2 because I'm not dumb
I think most of the ppl that hate EQ didn't manage their e2 properly and blamed the compound
don't get me wrong primo is good but EQ is a real solid favorite of mine

>>75324059
Thanks. I pin 3x weekly so I'll probably start with 12.5 after each pin and see how I feel from there

>>75323664
>I mean it was noticeably I guess mentally stressful a bit after months of it. Everyone here LARPs that they take like 2 grams of shit and an assload of Tren or something absurd but I can already tell 19-nors are something I don't think I want to ever fuck with and if I can make gains on less I don't really see the point of pushing it
Not that anon, but I completely understand and agree with your pov. I have a bit if a stressful job and a wife and the mental sides can really be a bitch even though I'm pretty aware of them. I can't imagine how people keep their lives together on a shitload of tren on the small amount of tren I'm on, as well as other compounds. I'm way more aggressive and have a much shorter fuse, and I've always kept it together, but the fact that it's there that skeeves me out. Gonna say something to one of the middle aged office ladies, lose my job, then blow my brains out. I'd say the benefits mentally and physically are worth it, but it can be stressful

>>75324165
If jelqing is my only option I’d rather kms

>>75324075
My entire eq cycle i never took a gram of AI.

>>75324188
that's how it should be.
second cycle should be all about finding just the right dose of test and eq/primo such that your E2 is perfect

>>75323950
the reduction in DHT is still enough to stop balding i am pretty sure - what if i only do 150mg of test?

Been lurking this thread for a while cause I am considering hopping on test. I thought it was as simple as buying some and injecting it, but it seems you are essentially juggling a bunch of different things to make sure everyting stays in homeostasis?

Is there not a basic bitch stack you can take to keep it simple?

>>75324261
>the reduction in DHT is still enough to stop balding
you're gonna need dutasteride
>150mg of test
At that dosage, genuinely don't bother

>>75324267
testosterone is well tolerated by the body but it's crude, especially at anabolic doses.
>converts to estrogen (acne, growing tits, etc.)
handled with an aromatase inhibitor
>converts to DHT (hair falling out, acne, etc.)
handled by a 5ar inhibitor (finasteride or dutasteride)
read the /r/steroids wiki cover to cover

What compounds should I take for MMA/BJJ?

I mean a bigger priority is healing/rebuilding some leg strength, as I tore my adductor a bit over a year ago and I'm still weak when it comes to lunge type movements.

I figured just about anything will help with that, so maybe I should keep it simple and stick to test/eq?

Some random article I read about PEDs in mma recommended test/eq/mast, but wouldn't it make more sense to just take a bit higher dose of test/eq rather than add in a third compound?

Eq already counters the estrogen so mast would just be redundant, or is there another reason I'm not considering to include it?

I could maybe gain a little size but I'm mostly looking to get leaner. Already carry more muscle than most fighters at my level.

>>75324228
Eq is fucking awesome. It checks all of the boxes for a solid blast. Increases appetite, increases strength, is cheap, works great for managing e2 (at least for me, ymmv whoever reads this), gives me incredible stamina, awesome vascularity. The increases BP, and hemocrit does suck but there's no free lunch.

>>75324326
Whoever wrote that probably just likes mast in all honesty. Nothing wrong with it, you'd probably get everything you'd need out of eq and test. Roids are pretty subjective and dependent on the individual in my experience

>>75324326
Craig Jones was on a podcast somewhere and gave his stack
Basically heavy trt
200mg test, 100mg deca, 50mg anavar and 5mg cialis
unless he's lying ofc
also I wonder if he takes anavar year round, he didn't say
anything that is cardio neutral or enhances it while also increasing strength and relatively low water retention would work well imo
so a heavier cycle would be, moderate dose of test, some deca and hgh for joints, then eq, primo, mast, winny maybe tbol or anavar as short term orals
maximum try hard cycle, kitchen sink and all, completely pulled out of my ass and untested:
blast - 500 test, 300 deca, 500 eq, 300 primo, 400 mast, 50 winny, 50 anavar, 4iu hgh
cruise - 200 test, 100 deca, 4iu hgh
>2g gear
yeah well this is fraud right, we frauding or not?
realistically you don't need half that, just don't run tren or something with high water retention or that is joint unfriendly and you'll be fine
tldr bjj is gay

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Do you change how you use gear when you deload? If you're taking orals, is it wise to stop taking orals during a deload?

>>75324614
actually remove the winny I don't like it

Is it possible to blast and not masturbate daily?

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Do you lower your injection frequency while cruising? What if you only inject something like test E once every 5 days or even 7 days? Have any of you tried oral test U? What would be the equivalent amount of test U to take daily to equal 200mg test E, 250mg test E, and 300mg test E?

>>75324693
how about fucking your gf instead?
Oh wait you are a 4chan incel

>>75324614
That all seems like overkill. Deca seems like an odd choice due to water retention, but I’ve never done it either.

I was thinking something like 250 test 250 Eq 200 mast E4D, to bring it to roughly 600mg/week.

Or would I be better off doing simply a higher dose of just test & Eq?

>>75324175

>will increase RBC

yeah I've heard its a major concern on EQ to the point of people saying they "looked purple" on it. I guess giving blood wouldn't be a problem while taking it but I was more concerned about weird shit I have heard about it like it causing ulcers and bowel problems and shit.

>>75324188
this is why I was interested in maybe fucking with it... just trying to get some more opinions from people since primo is probably just going to be someone selling you EQ and charging you 10x more for it

>>75324864
If you’re getting fake primo the place you’re buying from is terrible

>>75324878

I thought primo (sell you EQ instead) and anavar (sell you winstrol instead) were insanely commonly faked? or is this just a bro myth from older times or some shit?

can someone refute this post >>75323803

>>75324900
Let’s just say that if a UGL was selling mislabeled EQ for $100 and was exposed by a janoshik test they would be shut down immediately

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How do I make sure I don't end up like Jon Skywalker?
Was it the tren that caused it? Or can I get pulmonary edema plus heart failure with test only?

>>75324958
1. Avoid high dosages
2. Avoid shit like tren
3. Don’t perma blast
4. Don’t mix Anabolics with party drugs
5. Do cardio
6. Get a yearly physical at least

>>75324864
>>will increase RBC
anything over trt doseages can increase RBC if you're prone to it, so spazzing out about eq specifically is probably pointless

>>75324958
Don't perma blast grams for years while smoking and drinking would be a good start. People don't accidentally end up like this they are dumbasses for yearrrsss

>>75324933

Good to know

I have a question for anyone itt that’s cut with tirz. How did you figure out a dose that suppresses hunger but doesn’t have you losing a ton of muscle? I need to be able to eat enough to at least commute to and from school on my bike and have enough energy to lift.

>>75324267
>basic bitch stack
500mg test per week
16-20 weeks
Have nolvadex (a serm) on hand
Have an AI on hand (aromasin, arimidex)
If nipples get zesty take nolvadex
If uncomfortable estrogen sides take AI

>>75324810
deca and hgh are there for invincible joints
test and a lot of other AAS reduce collagen synthesis and will make you more prone to joint injury, which is a good way to end the bjj side of things
>overkill
yeah I said that
>test/eq/mast vs test/eq
really depends, some ppl don't like mast and its not hair friendly
do you want more cardio and free AI? test/eq
trying to cut or looking for leaner gains w/o water retention plus some strength? add mast
EQ makes me ravenous too so take that into account
personally my joints are my priority in bjj followed by cardio followed by strength, so would start at 300 test, 100 deca, 400 eq, and 1-4iu hgh as a blast for 16-20 weeks and see how it goes, mainly see where e2 stabilizes
1:1 ratio of aromatizing compounds to EQ works well for me, but again it really varies person to person
cruise would be something similar to Craig Jonesie ratios plus hgh and no anavar/orals

>>75325336
>deca and hgh are there for invincible joints
NTA, but what about BPC-157? I've heard that it's not smart to take that too frequently, but it really helps with recovery of everything.

>>75324180
They're more into extension devices, clamping, pumping, bundle stretches, and fascia release. I think they actually advise against jeql. There's some clinic that charges $20k, and added vibration. That's the new rage

>>75324075
EQ is good, better than primo for the money, less harsh on the hair than DHT derivatives, can cause kidney damage

I'm on test, primo and var and the most scary side effect for me is hair loss, I haven't experienced any at all so far thankfully.
What other compounds are hair safe? Should I add NPP next cycle?

>>75324087
my boy skinny penis

>>75325336
Thanks.

Cardio is more important than strength, I’m already stronger than I need to be, but I gas out too quickly.

I think something like
>300 test, 100 deca, 400 eq
hits the nail on the head then. Only Id omit the GH for budgeting purposes.

Humming and hawing over that VS just 300 test 300 eq. I know deca helps you not FEEL joint pain, but I was under the impression it’s not actually just protective - and instead it only masks the pain.

>>75324708
Oral test don't work great, and orals are harder on your liver or something. Frequency goes off half life. The shorter the esther, the more frequently you should pin. So, sure, you could take test c once a week, but it tapers off. So you'll feel good, then increasingly lousy over the days until you pin again because what you took has mostly worn off

>>75325527
Would test C be better than test E for once a week? What would you take for a cruise with infrequent injections?

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>>75323224
Here is one from tonight. Last injection was October 1st but I'm happy with the progress for the first cycle.

>>75325479

For what its worth I've heard Lee Priest say he used deca shots whenever he had joint pain.

>>75325372
Yeah I’d definitely rather make a meat flower of my head with a shotgun than have to do that for the rest of my life

>>75325536
I think people have less pip on c. E and c i think have similar half lives. Test u i think is pretty long lasting

>>75325604
Well then you got fat injections, or living with your pencil dick

>>75325617

I used C and had zero pip ever. I don't know why anyone would ever use Test U and would recommend people avoid it.

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Does anybody actually enjoy pinning themselves?

>>75321396
how's the masteron? interested in trying it but it's not very anabolic apparently

>>75319759
how long will lyophilized hcg last?

>>75326016
Still in powder form? Keep it cool and dry, and it'll last years. After it's reconstituted it starts to degrade. Conventional wisdom is use it within 30 days. Chinese tranny paid janoshik to test over time, and they saw something like 10% degradation over a few months. Meaning the older it gets, the more you need to take to get the same effect

>>75325583
really nice arm dude

>>75325864
I know that some former addicts have described it as feeling good.

>>75322273
Nah, the key benefit of taking deca is that it builds and improves tendons and ligaments. If you're into juicing you should run deca every so often to let your joints catch up, and obviously if joint issues are a problem than stay the fuck away from dry compounds.

So generally speaking, what are the target testosterone values actually based on? Is it some truly healthmaxed optimal range, or is it just based on the levels of unhealthy first world males?

>>75322887
Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself more than him.

>>75319759
What compounds are best for deepening the voice?
I've read different things, like 100mg proviron daily for a month being the best, or moderate dose 1:1 test/mast for 2 months, also heard good things about deca

>>75326539
You'll only be able to deepen it just a little bit with steroids. I would figure the more androgenic steroids would be better at deepening the voice. You have to think, though. Even with a standard cycle of 600mg of test, you're still getting in around 10 times the amount of testosterone the average adult man produces in a week. That should be plenty for deepening of the voice. That's likely to maximize how deep your voice can get.

>>75325351
bpc157 is more for post injury rehab
it's never been tested long term on even rats so could have all sorts of sides not to mention you could stop being sensitive to it and it just turns into placebo

>>75326014
no complaints it's been pretty mild at 400
makes me smell bad and sweat more it seems but that's the stimulants too

>>75326789
any notable hair loss?

>>75325864
Yeah I like it. Or at least I pin 2x a day (test AM, hgh PM) and think it’s no big deal.

>>75325864
Yeah I pin every day. The only annoying part is how long it takes to draw, but I don’t mind the actual pinning.

>>75326539
DHT

>>75326265
They took a bunch of healthy men, found the mean of their testosterone levels, then made the range 2 standard deviations above and below that the range.

>>75327315
That’s how statistics works. 95% of people fit within that range

>>75327402
Yes that's what I just typed

Why is deca good for bulking while tren for cutting if they're both 19nors

>>75327505
Deca is “””mild””” which allows for good eating and sleep and you can stack a lot of it before it starts to fuck with anabolism
Tren is harsh but activate special receptors that minimize muscle catabolism while in a deficit

>>75319759
What's the optimal cycle for someone who can't be assed to look up actual sources?
I have a few trt clinics nearby and there are plenty online to get a script to pharma grade shit so what should I ask for out of the few that are legal in the US?

The local guys advertise Test, HCG, Oxandrolone, Nandrolone, and Stanazolol. Anything I should ask for specifically or others to consider?
Any tips on how to get insurance to cover it?

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>>75326931
i went bald 20 years ago, so nah
perfect compound for my old boomer ass lol
need to load up on dht derivatives and make a super dht blast fr fr

>>75319767
Water

>>75325604
If your hormones were off through puberty then it’s definitely possible to experience previously delayed growth once you’re supplementing them to a correct level

>>75327622
Right? Finally score one for balding early. Everyone's all... oh no muh hairline! We can jimmy neutron this shit without second thought... gotta blast!

>>75327634
Possible, sure, but unlikely. If he's not willing to put in the work, i think his artistic idea is great

>>75326931
NTA, but I’ve been running mast and primo all year. 700mg mast e, 400mg primo e and have had no hair loss. I don’t take an AI (the primo keeps estrogen in range), and I believe having moderate e2 protects your hair.

>>75327622
>bald millennial loves masteron
Life imitates memes

>anavar shin splits
ouch

>>75327818
I got the money, house, car, muscles.... now to wait for that social development i missed out on in high school

>>75326207
Not only have you never used deca, you are also a natty.

>>75328425
lots of retards think that deca improves tendon health.
iirc that's how they sell it for 'trt' clinics

>>75328431
Does it just reduce the feeling of being hurt but its still hurt deep down?

So after years of brosplitting and just spamming random shit I want to focus on getting stronger and bigger. Problem is I cannot do anything like squats or deadlifts because I had a serious lower back and hip injury and pretty much everything beyond bodyweight exercises and walking with a weighted vest causes debilitating pain for 2-3 weeks. So I imagine I need some sort of 3x5 or 5x5 OHP, bb row, and bench template with some sort of accessory programming for tris, bis, forearns, and delts. Any of you want to help a crippled retard out?

>>75326086

thnx dude. like 18" but I have really long bicep insertions so I think they look like shit even though I can curl 75s. gonna forever negatively gas myself up by telling myself I'm tiny and look like shit though lol.

>>75328501

>bro split is bad
its the best

>squats or deadlifts
no one wants to hear it but you can do machines and get jacked and not even do this shit if you really want to. leg press, quad ext and ham curl is plenty for legs if your goal is hypertrophy.

>3x5 or 5x5
are your goals strength or size? this low rep shit is strength oriented

I could answer questions but I am not going to build a whole workout plan for you dude... also this has nothing to do with /fraud/ or steroid use

>>75328501
>So after years of brosplitting and just spamming random shit I want to focus on getting stronger and bigger
You have to do the same shit but actually put in the effort.

>>75328794
I can't even do leg press cause of the injury. I just do walks with a weighted vest, bodyweight movements, and athletic type training for my lower body. My goal is size, but I am pretty weak I'd say. I used to be able to bench 315 now I can only do 2 plate. I should have mentioned I use TRT and occasionally blast so that's why I'm asking here as I can obviously recover and do more than a natty.

>>75328821
Tired of that way of training honestly. I have so many little strains and tweaks from spamming dumb shit with bad form that I essentially need to start over again. I wanna be built more like a football player. Big and athletic, not just a bodybuilder.

>>75328838
So you're just going to skip leg day? I'm going insaane

>>75328858
Yeah, I physically cannot do it. I basically destroyed my lower spine and right hip in an accident. Plus big legs look gay. I train them for athleticism as that's all I can do. Think sprints, ladder drills, box jumps, bodyweight squats and lunges, and sprints/walks with a weighted vest. They look completely proportionate they're just not huge or anything.

im running out of reasons not to roid desu is there some sort of general checklist for consideration before jumping in

>>75328891

don't be too fat. don't drink booze/smoke. eat healthy and drink lots of water. basically the same shit you should be doing anyways.

>>75328878
>>75328838

>I wanna be athletic and big and strong and look like a football player but I don't want to train hard and I am never going to do legs

I dunno man you seem retarded not really gonna waste my time. If your spine is destroyed and you cant workout then you probably should find a different hobby. If you are just a pussy then you should probably find a different hobby.

Maybe just go the calisthenics route and spam shit like pullups.

>>75328878
So you can sprint, but you can't do hypertrophy work for your legs? Sorry bud you're just a pussy and/or full of shit

>>75328974
>don't be too fat. don't drink booze/smoke. eat healthy and drink lots of water. basically the same shit you should be doing anyways.

yeah i am already all those things, i drink on very rare occasion that i go out with friends but assume this sort of thing is fine

>>75328501
Just do Arnold split bro
My split kinda looks like this but I don't do squats or deadlifts either, only RDL, and I do machine/dumbbell OHP, and barbell bench

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>>75329200

>>75329200
>>75329211
Arnold split is literally the GOAT split.

>>75329217

>bro just go to the gym twice a day every day for 30 minutes

shits super gay unless you have a home gym and your unemployed or some shit

>>75329226
When I did it I just super-set back and chest and bis and tris
took less than an hour

>>75329226
what are you on about? why twice a day?

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>>75319759
Need carnivore gf

>>75327839
>retard who doesn't use salt in his diet
>>75329211
dogshit routine

>>75327870
>>75327818
I have kids and a fun social circle but whatever floats your meme boat

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>>75328478
no it increases collagen synthesis among other things, it literally makes your tendons stronger and more difficult to injure in addition to relieving pain and discomfort
whoever told you it just masks the pain and nothing else doesn't know what they are talking about and you should ignore their bullshit immediately and forever
fucking hell I can just see some gym boomer spouting this load of horseshit while saying compounds will just get you hurt and primo only cycles are "all ya need"

>>75329158
A lot of roiders drink smoke an snort shit, and they're fine. Right up until their life ending heart attack at 24

Why do I care about crashing E2?

Not rage bait I’ve just been having a hard time finding info in males - I usually pump 250mg test and 1mg arimidex twice a week and don’t think I’ve had any issues.

>>75325864
I'm neutral about pinning ed at best

>>75328478
Yeah. It just helps with lubricating the joints => feeling of healthy joints. There's a reason people feel good while they're on it but as soon as they come off the joint pain is worse than ever

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6 weeks into first cycle, injecting delts and quads with 30G slin pins eod, and I now occasionally feel this weird sensation when the needle goes in, as if I'm passing something harder, crunchier than the surrounding tissue
Is this scar tissue? If so how tf am I getting it this early, with tiny needles and about 1 week between injections on the same site?

>>75329810
You haven't crashed your e2 is why you're asking this question Mr trt nigger take some more adex and come back when it's crashed and let us know how you feel

>>75329942
I get the same thing after a while and I assume it's scar tissue. Crazy it happened so quickly, I pin ed and it takes a while.

>>75329954
Damn. What can I do to make it go away or to prevent it from building up further?

>>75329964
Heating up the oil kinda helps

>>75329964
Use smaller needles, rotate sites. It's not a huge deal though, it might not even necessarily be scar tissue in your specific case tbf. I wouldn't worry a ton about it, but maybe switch to 27s if you're using 22s or 25s or something. Add ventroglutes and glutes to your rotation. Don't be neurotic about it imo

>>75329363
Same

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>>75329942
your skin thickens on AAS, not scar tissue but there can be a toughening around frequent injection sites, actual scar tissue, hardened muscle/fat from a variety of things
just rotate sites more if you think it's an issue, VG is by far the best site

>>75324708
I do 200mg of enan e5d on a cruise, works fine but I never compared it with just splitting into twice a week dose so I have no reference

>>75329619
I run 500mg deca in every blast. If you start the blast with tendonitis it will be much much worse when the deca wears off.
You're another natty whose only life experience is 4chan memes

>>75330023
>>75329942

why are you even injecting delts and quads? I pinned for like 3+ months and only alternated left and right ventroglutes with zero problems.

>>75330144
ok anecdotal evidence, I used deca to heal a shoulder injury and it was ballin
actual shit ppl should believe:
> Nandrolone Decanoate and Tendon Healing Studies:

Ruiz, M. O. T., et al. (2008). "Nandrolone decanoate improves collagen metabolism in a rat model of tendon injury." Journal of Musculoskeletal & Neuronal Interactions, 8(2), 141-148.

Stoner, D. J. K. D., et al. (2012). "Anabolic steroids in the treatment of bone and tendon healing." Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery, 94(1), 27-34.

McCarthy, J. A. G., et al. (1999). "Effects of nandrolone decanoate on tendon healing in rats." Clinical Orthopaedics and Related Research, 368, 347-356.

Wolff, G. A. L. M., et al. (2010). "Anabolic steroids and sports injuries: a review of the literature." International Journal of Sports Medicine, 31(11), 791-797.

ymmv ofc, so I encourage everyone to try it out for their self
also you're a dumb nigger

>>75330207
I dont give a shit about studies conducted by dyel eggheads.
None of these studies involved bodybuilders lifting heavy weights.
I'm glad it healed whatever was wrong with your shoulder, but anyone with chronic tendonitis who felt fine blasting deca will tell you that as soon as the deca wears off you are in world of fucking pain

>>75327556
Insurance won’t cover shit unless you go to a Urologist. Most TRT clinics won’t take insurance anyway lol.
Then the problem is that urologist will put you on a pussy dose because they’re scared about getting sued in case you ACK! from being above 1000 ng/dl.
The flip side is it will be WAYY CHEAPER than a clinic, even factoring bloodwork and copay.
>$15ish/for 6ish week supply of pharma test from Uro is about right
Also, Oxandrolone isn’t prescribed unless it’s compounded so unless your clinic knows a funky pharmacy, good luck

>>75330264

Lee Priest disagrees with you but I guess he is DYEL

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>>75330264
so you continue the exact same actions that cause your chronic tendonitis and blame the gear for not working hard enough when you are in pain after your blast is over, got it
I believe the IQ suppression theory now 100%

>>75330394
>so you continue the exact same actions that cause your chronic tendonitis
And where did I say I do that?
oh you're just making shit up about me in order to explain away something that contradicts your viewpoint which you got from 4chan memes, studies about rats and tiktok scammers who sell deca from their trt clinics

>>75329398
What routine would you do instead

>>75329619
Would NPP do the same thing?

>>75330475
>would nandralone do the same thing as nandralone
hmmm ikd better see if there's a pubmed study on it

>>75330498
kek

Aber wer ist Frau D.?

>>75327505
tren demolishes your appetite

>>75329619
retards think deca is a corticosteroid like cortisone

I'm on TRT, but it's not in a good spot yet and I need to explain this to my GP. Can someone confirm whether my "take" makes sense? For context my total testosterone was below threshold, FAI was a little bit above, and no other blood work done. I have minor hypothyroidism, my hair is shedding, and erections are still relatively weak.

I currently assume that my SHBG is low because of relatively low total T, but relatively "high" FAI (total t/SHBG). Low SHBG is a symptom of hypothyroidism, so this also checks out. This by itself can cause hair thinning as well as ED. Currently I am healing from that hypothyroidism, which will likely also fix the thinning. However, due to my SHBG increasing in the near future my free testosterone will also lower, which means that my current just above threshold levels will fall below it. In other words, current dosages really aren't good.
>just go ugl
I will if my GP doesn't cooperate further, but even then I'd like to know whether this would be a logical explanation for my experiences rather than the standard "it do be genetics".

Minimum long term “healthy” cruise/“TRT” dose to be more full than a natty but not tank bloods?

240mg? 150 felt like “real” natural to me, so the sweet spot has to be between 150-250, right?

Obviously genetics account for differences, but I’m specifically asking about anecdotes

>>75319767
GHK-cu works really well

also really good for stretch mark prevention

>>75332006
100mg puts me at about 700ng test
my urologist says they go up to 200 sometimes

>>75330322
Nta, Lee Priest lies his ass off and gives terrible advice

>>75332006
>>75332418
If you are on a very low dose like this do you still need all the additional stuff to keep every thing in check?

>>75332006
It depends on the individual.
For most it will be just an e2 problem, AI is too strong so I would recommend some low dose primo, something like 200-250 test and 100-150 primo literally has no side effects for me while only taking 200 test without the primo had my e2 a little too high.

>>75332638
>something like 200-250 test and 100-150 primo literally has no side effects for me
I promise that if you ran this for 3 years straight and then got blood work multiple biomarkers would be in the red

>>75332646
Imagine being a trt fag lol

Anybody with opinions on arm training for big arms?
I'm thinking about dedicating 2 months to arms/delts:
>training arms/delts MWF ~9 sets every day
>put literally everything else on the backburner, just 3-6 sets per muscle per week
t. still recovering from being a TRex powerlifter with a big torso/legs and small arms

Is deca dick real? Never done it so I'm planning on doing 500mg testc, 600mg deca/week next cycle

>>75332702
Keep your estrogen in check with ai, tou wont ever have problems. You dont need caber if you have consistent good ai usage, prolactin cannot rise without the presence of high estrogen

>>75332730
>prolactin cannot rise without the presence of high estrogen
false
stop spamming your false wisdom

>>75332730
>>75332736
I'm still going to keep some caber on hand just in case, but mostly worried about libido and erections cuz I got a gf last month

>>75332736
I haven't used caber for two years, and I almost non stop blast tren. It's the truth faggot, you haven't done shit.

>>75332646
I have though.
The only thing was SHBG and HDL being a bit too low. Everything else was normal range.

>>75319759
Why do you guys feel the need to poison yourselves?

Yesterday, I woke up in the middle of sleeping, and I had to puke in the bathroom multiple times on an empty stomach. The liquid that came out was yellow. Could this be indicative of liver issues from too much dbol?

>>75333439
See a doc

>>75333461
According to WebMD, it's likely bile reflux. I'm just wondering if this could be caused by using too much dbol.
https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/what-to-know-about-yellow-bile

>>75333461
>>75333472
According to ChatGPT, peptic ulcers can cause bile reflux, and oral steroids can cause peptic ulcers. It still states that bile reflux is not commonly associated with oral steroids.

>>75333387
Time is the most valuable resource. Get jacked in 1 year vs get semi-jacked in 6 years

>>75333503
But you are spending some of your limited time using that stuff

>>75333521
I’m not taking a gram of tren. Just testosterone, primobolan, anavar, and dbol for 3 week blitzes

>>75333387
I lifted over half a decade natty, the look and feeling of being is worth it. You will never achieve a good body natty boy.
>>75333536
>3 week cycle
what

imagine taking e2 base for short lived homoerotic adventures

>>75332474
don't need AI unless you're going above 200mg

>>75333571
Dbol for only 3 weeks at a time, not a long term thing

>>75333536
>testosterone, primobolan, anavar, and dbol
Jesus christ what even is the fucking point? most anabolics don't have unique features aside from shit like "this is good for hypertrophy, this for strength, that for cardio"

what exactly makes people feel the need to develop these unnecessary concoctions? just use test + one extra thing, minimal sides to worry about and easier time troubleshooting, easier to dose and set expectations etc

>>75333621
Everything is better than test, nobody gets a jacked look from only test and lmao 1 oral

>>75333621
Is this bait or are you actually stupid

>>75333637
and that's why you don't do orals, shit's already considered less effective and worse for your health than injections and that retard is taking two orals and two injections

one of which is fucking DBOL of all the shit you could use, the one thing that converts into fucking methyl estradiol so you can't even suppress it with AI and HAVE TO deal with the shitty side effects, and for fucking what at that? just use 200-400mg tren and 500 test and be over with it instead of creating a hormonal molotov cocktail

>>75333639
>le your post is le bait or stupid or you're a jew or a fed
>le I won't proceed to make a single point nor argue against it
rope yourself

>>75333656
Yep, stupid.

>>75333660
>once again zero points made nor a single word of a logical argument
back to tumblr sissy

>>75333656
Test Tren DBoL and tren is good.

>>75333664
did dbol once in my life and it was the weirdest mental experience I've ever had during a blast, never used it ever since

>>75333661
>starts argument
>argues 2+2 = 5
>heckin’ debate me chud!
>>>/reddit/

>>75330394
>IQ suppression theory
which one's that
>>75330207
based, are there any that won't fuck with my health (or better yet, "conservative" therapy to achieve decent tendon healing)?

>>75333674
Are you one of those weirdos who refuse to use ai?

>>75333854
no I was taking AI but again I was told AI doesn't prevent dbol aromatization and that I shouldn't take high doses of dbol specifically because of that

>>75333868
Nigga what

>>75333868
Dumb

>>75333868
>I was told AI doesn't prevent dbol aromatization
This is retarded. AIs prevent androgens from converting into estrogens. They physically block or destroy aromatase.

>>75319767
The more nutrition and sleep you give your body, the more sore you will be. You’d think it would be the opposite, but that is not the case.

>>75333688
AAS abuse suppresses IQ
100mg/wk deca is used by a certain semisuccessful bjj fag from down under for joint health, minimal sides that low of a dose but you'd need a test base
he also sells trt clinic ads so that could be part of it
like most things fraud related it's all anecdotal and often individual
try it yourself to see for real

>>75333966
gotcha. thanks

>>75333602
will <200mg still give me the test boost to start being okay with fucking fatter girls?

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>>75333621
>>75333656
>>75333661
>>75333674
>>75333868

>>75334028
These posts are really reinforcing the aas make you dumber posts

>>75333989
i didn't wanna fuck fat chicks on 600mg test, i think it's just tren that makes you fuck fatties

>>75334113
yep tren does cause literal brain damage
>insert study about amyloid plaque deposits after the first day of tren here

>>75334113
yeah but everyone on test talks about their libido being sky high and generally this lowers your standards

i am not talking about Plappers btw, I just mean girls that might be considered chubby

>>75334156
Yeah it makes you horny, it doesn't turn you into a deviant who wants to fuck fatties and trannies

>>75333989
I'm on 500mg and my tastes didn't change, just become stronger

>>75319767
BPC-157

>>75334142
don't care. still bought 100 grams. nothing changed in the comfy software job. hash tag blast till i'm passed

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Old age catching up to me. Primo shots are hurting worse than ever. This is the first year I have to actually plan my pin sites around workouts.

I always thought it was going to.be blood markers that got me to quit. It might be pip lol.

Next year I'm going to start buying the baby 100mg.

>>75335782
I could tell she was Southeast Asian before the camera even went up to her face. I guess their bodies just look like that. I love ladyboys.

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>>75325864
*pegging

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>750 test 500 eq 350 deca
Thoughts tips and tricks?

I'm switching from gel to IM. I am currently fully shut down. Since it takes a while to build up, is there anything that could make this transition easier, or could I just double the IM dose for just the first week? I also only have 3/4 inch 27g needles from when I used to IV. I can find people saying that half an inch is too short, but would 3/4 work anywhere other than my delts? I'm not lean, but I also don't have enough skin on my legs to easily grab/fold it.

>>75336019
you can pin subcutaneously as well, just it takes longer to absorb in fat

>>75336221
That's something I was considering for later. It's a bit easier to mess up, isn't it? I'd hate to do it wrong and still have shitty bloods in 6 weeks.

Is it true that taking a smaller dose of test like 200 or lower is worse than being natty from a purely muscle building perspective, when taking into consideration the effect of cycling off?

I have seen this and similar ideas posted around /fit/ for the last week or so but I am dubious.

>>75335910
Add an oral, drop of the injectables. If you keep eq keep it 1:1 test.

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>>75336019
Those needles are fine for subq. Just pin while using the gel for two to three weeks then drop the gel. Personally for cruises I pin subq using either a 1/2in or 5/16 needle no problem.

>>75336331
Probably, yeah
People really overstate the effects of test. 500mg barely does shit after you're first cycle.

At 200 and then cycling off you're gaining a slight advantage over natties and then a hug disadvantage for the two months it takes to for your balls to start working again.

>>75336386
So 200mg of test would only slightly boost your test levels? What if you stayed on it for a longer period?

>>75336365
Will keep using the gel then. I've read too many differing experiences about subq to feel comfortable starting out with it. I have no idea what healthy test feels like, so I wouldn't notice myself feeling "off" if absorption is suboptimal. I think it'd be better to do IM until I'm dialed in and to switch after that. Do you think that 3/4in is too short for IM?

>>75336404
Isn't it highly variable depending on the individual? As in, some can take 120mg/wk and have 1000ng/dL while others take 200mg/wk and end up in the 700s? Either way, if you're hypogonadal, a trt dose is not going to give worse results than staying natty. I just wouldn't contextualize it as a cycle where you plan on coming off after a short time. That's just shutting yourself down for no reason.

>>75336445
Dude can't you just drop the $10 on one inch needles and stop worrying about it

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>>75336445
>I've read too many differing experiences about subq to feel comfortable starting out with it.
Your choice. Personally I started subq cruise but to each's own.
>I think it'd be better to do IM until I'm dialed in and to switch after that.
Sure. Just be aware that scar tissue is an issue with repeated im injections, no such issue with subq.
>Do you think that 3/4in is too short for IM?
I can't say without CBP and injection site.

>>75336365
Booba

>>75336365
Those are THE BEST tits! I love the points near the nipples!

>>75336462
I can, but then I'd have to wait a few more days. I'll probably order them regardless, but if possible I'd like to get it over with and switch tonight. I've been kinda wavering about whether I want to do this and I feel resolved now.
>>75336478
Scar tissue is a good point, and I can't deny that subq sounds more comfortable in general. Will definitely switch at some point. With CBP I assume you mean current body post; would a picture of the injection site help? I was hoping to do it in the ventral glute.

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>>75336386
>>75336331
Test is more overrated than BCAAs were in the 2000s. It's a considered a miracle drug by influencers when the said influencers have dry skin from Mast, winstrol; it's hilarious. It's not even the potatoes in the beef stew, it's carrots, everything else is waaaaaaay better.
>>75335910
too much test, more deca, EQ is a meh AI. It aromatizes so if you're a paranoid fuck about gyno, lol it ain't gonna help.
>>75336462
who the fuck needs needles that long, I can pin everything with 1/2. Why do people hop on fat as fuck?

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>>75336564
>Scar tissue is a good point, and I can't deny that subq sounds more comfortable in general.
It is
>Will definitely switch at some point.
Nothing stopping you from subj cruise and doing im for blasts
>With CBP I assume you mean current body post;
Yes
>would a picture of the injection site help? I was hoping to do it in the ventral glute.
No don't bother. 1in minimum for glutes.

>>75336331
Depends on how your respond and the duration of use
200mg of test-e ~= 140 mg of testosterone. That’s 2x natty levels (~1100ng/dl) to maybe 3x (~1600ng/dl) if you’re a high responder. That’s nothing. So maybe like 1.1-2x the rate of gains natty (those are numbers I pulled out of my ass). So to get anything you’d need to be on for a long time. But the longer you’re on the longer it takes your body to successfully PCT where you’re losing gains.
TL;DR
A 200mg cycle for anything under 30 weeks + PCT is going to be around a net gain of 0, maybe even negative

>>75336706
The only guys who keep some of their gains from blasting are the guys who have either been on for many years, and or have used alot growth hormone which is much permanent tissue.

EVERY SINGLE DUDE I know who pcted off from a blast or two on basic shit like test and an oral went back to looking like shit.

>>75336602
Thanks. Guess I'll just do subq in my stomach today and get longer needles for next time. I can't grab any skin on my thighs though, so maybe IM quads would have worked. Do you by any chance know why subq experience reports are so varied online? Some guys swear by it while others say that their numbers were significantly lower. Is it user error?

>>75336304
Injecting subcutaneously? Nah, it's probably the easiest. You don't have to worry about blood vessels, or nerves. Get a short needle (half inch?), maybe 28 gauge, warm the oil (not so hot that it burns, of course) so it's easier to withdraw & inject, pinch your belly fat, poke yourself at a 45 degree angle, push the needle all the way in, and inject. Then i dunno how long it takes to absorb... like a day or two maybe? I know there's info about that somewhere online. So really the only thing that changes is maybe it'll take you two weeks to test saturation instead of one, and maybe the full two months, instead of maybe six weeks, until your body takes up all the extra test. You just gotta stick to your injecting schedule. Most people inject every 3.5'ish days when they're using test-c or test-e. Even that's just whatever, because the half life of those esthers is like a week. You pin twice a week just to save yourself from feeling lousy due to your test going way up then way down every week. If you don't like that, look at test-u, which has a long half life. Just most people complain about pain at the injection site with that stuff

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>>75336782
>Do you by any chance know why subq experience reports are so varied online? Some guys swear by it while others say that their numbers were significantly lower. Is it user error?
I doubt it's user error. You've got to remember that we're talking about many different people with many different genetics using many different sources. There's going to be some variation.

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Had heart palpitations for 3 hours straight after 40mcg clen and half a cup of coffee, it's my time to leave humanity behind isn't it?

>>75336365
this picture hurts so bad to look at

>>75337046
Girls are not into guns, I'm a country boy who had 4 sisters who all shot AR-15s and pistols; they stopped giving a shit the moment they started dating lmao.

>>75336594
>>75336706
So how much do I have to do to make it worthwhile?

>>75336949
Don't take clen. That shit is absolutely terrible for your cardiovascular health.

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>some roid rager sucker punched Jeff Nippard in the throat
I knew you roidtrannies were bad news. Next time I see a roidtranny in the gym (easily noticable in delts/traps) I'm gonna go out of my way to mog :)

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Why the fuck does the concept of a permacruise even exist? It's like all of the downsides of roids with far less of the benefits

>>75337488
you mean trt?

>>75335782
wow what a bitchmade sissy you are if you complain about le pip le needle ouchie hurtsie oww

grow a fucking pair nigga

>>75337488
go back

>>75329363
>>75330034
I love this image. Thank you so much for posting it, anon.

>>75334156
>>75334171
>>75334534

600 mg test made me fap like twice a day even though I have sex with the GF like 5 times a week. I started fapping to a lot of videos of Latina girls getting slapped around and it was pretty enjoyable.

Absolute bare minimum bf you would juice on? I'm like 22% working down to 15%, but thinking about 18%

>>75336788
Maybe "mess up" is the wrong thing to call it, but experiences seem to differ a lot, so there's got to be some aspect to it that makes it work for some and not for others.
>So really the only thing that changes is maybe it'll take you two weeks to test saturation instead of one, and maybe the full two months, instead of maybe six weeks, until your body takes up all the extra test
What do you mean with this? I understand the latter part, it taking time to build up, but I'm not sure what's supposed to be different at that 1 or 2 week mark.
>>75336825
That's what I'd assume as well and the reason why I might still switch to IM next time until I get my blood work done. That way I remove one potential problematic factor - makes it easier.

Thanks for both your help. Just did the first subq injection (50mg) in belly fat and it felt fine. Going to inject twice a week for a while and see what happens.

>>75338030
Look up the steroid plotter website. There you can punch in that your gonna take 50mg of test c twice a week for x weeks, and it'll give you a nice graph of generic test levels over time. When you start taking something, it's not immediately at 100% in your body. Over the first 24 hours you'll go from zero to 10, next 24 10 to 20, and so on until your test is as high as it will get for the given dosage you're taking. It also shows how the test dissipates between injections, which is what i meant by the frequency of injections and its highs and lows. Then there's also the concept of front loading -- taking a lot in the first week to spike your levels to whatever plateau you're after faster, then lowering the dose after the first week to your planned dose. That way you skip that week wait while your levels come up. This is moot with test though, because your body takes weeks to months to adapt to the sudden bountiful supply of test, so while your levels are high, it doesnt really do anything, because the receptors for it just aren't responsive. If you look around you'll see a lot about how six-eight weeks is kind of an average before you start feeling effects, but it's really a body wide range. Maybe you'll have more energy in a week. Maybe you'll be more alert after two weeks. Maybe you'll notice brain fog lifting after four weeks. Maybe you'll have faster recovery after the gym after eight weeks. Maybe you'll have fewer erectile dysfunction symptoms after six months. Everything kinda goes as it's own pace. Things aren't magically 100% when you've reached test saturation, so don't bother front loading

>>75337976
I was likely between 35 and 40% when I started on August 31st. I gained around 10 pounds in water weight in the first couple weeks, and I've now unintentionally been going on a recomp since. This shit is awesome. I've gained several pounds of muscle and lost several pounds of fat, and my weight has been gradually going down since while simultaneously getting ridiculously strong. I can see the fat loss and muscle gain in the mirror.

>>75337976
>>75338170
I've also heard that professional strongmen will go up to 30% bodyfat while taking ludicrous amounts of gear.

>>75338170
>>75338172
I guess I don't understand how you can recomp. Test is anabolic, and fat can't be used to build muscle. Obviously though this is a very basic level understanding, but people seem to say it's not possible.

>>75338170
>>75338172
>>75338178
Also, have you lost the waterweight. I am already big enough, don't want waterweight.

>>75338178
>I guess I don't understand how you can recomp. Test is anabolic, and fat can't be used to build muscle.
Androgens change gene expression. They promote muscle protein synthesis while inhibiting muscle protein breakdown. This can allow you to simultaneously burn fat while gaining muscle. I'm actually trying to bulk, but I'm ending up recomping. I'm guessing my metabolism has really sped up that much. I'm also getting much better sleep.
>>75338187
>Also, have you lost the waterweight.
No. This is what happens when you hop on gear. You will quickly gain some water weight from the androgens and estrogen. Both the androgens and estrogen will result in more water retention in your muscles, and the estrogen will result in more water retention in your whole body through increased sodium retention, including your fat. It doesn't matter, though. When bodybuilders want to get lean in preparation for a show, they start taking more DHT-derived steroids, since they don't aromatize into estrogen and allow you to look leaner. You will also lose the water retention once you get into your cruise on a lower test dose.

>>75338178
>>75338187
>>75338213
Androgens will result in more water retention through more glycogen retention in your muscles, which is essentially carbohydrate storage in your muscles. They create a more anabolic environment in your muscles overall.

>>75334061
orals are legit inferior though

>>75337837
Based

rate my stack. is 2 orals bad?

testerone enethate150mg week
DHB 400mg week
Anavar 10mg day
Superdrol, Methasteron 40mg day
my goal is to make great gains but not lose too much hair or increase prolactin

>>75338747
just use fin

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>>75337837
That's a why every /fraud/ thread devolves into a coomer thread. Blowing 4 loads a day is basic maintenance on blast, like brushing your teeth. I have a P Diddy supply of zinc and magnesium.

what are some things that help with losing weight easier. I tried DNP but it just made me eat a lot to compensate

>>75339182
This sounds like a dream come true. My low libido is making me depressed (or maybe both are symptoms of something else)

>>75339257
it's great at first but when you already have a high libido like me and you get on other compounds and you can't work without dreaming about pussy all day, it gets pretty annoying.

>>75339436

Yeah it gets non-sexual. Oh look big stupid erection is back and now I can't concentrate. Like I'll start fantasizing about fucking a coworker and it will be vivid, but it will be as erotic as an HR policy video. I'm taking proviron and primo too so this gets out of control. I'll fade off the primo sometimes just to get work done.

>>75339472
yeah i was on 100mg of proviron ed + tren for about 4 weeks, and I legitimately had to get off the proviron because of it. my dick DID feel incredible when I wanted it to though, I will say.

>>75339511
Lol does anyone take proviron for it's intended purpose?

>>75339618
I MEAN, i guess sorta?? I was definitely taking it because I liked the libido and dick gains, but I also enjoyed the maybe placebo? pumps on it, and I did feel like my e2 was maybe managed a bit better on it?

How do you get dutasteride? Thinking about doing a high test dosage so finasteride wouldn’t cut it

>>75339682
same place you get your gear? you DO have a place where you get your gear, right anon?

>>75339646
I got some vascularity from it and I do get some dryness, but it's blown out by primo for that. I initially bought it for libido and discovered these other bonuses.

Nukes my SHBG so that lowers e2 because you clear faster

>>75339436
>>75339472
But guys, I literally have to do nofap for about 5 days to feel actual horniness. It's not normal.

>>75339690
I don't know of any UGL that sells finasteride/dutasteride

how much npp to get some good results but also have no prolactin issues
300?

>>75340081
nand isn't some super-anabolic, it's more anabolic than testosterone but not by much. way weaker than orals like dbol and anadrol

>>75340081
I'm on about 300-315 and I get pretty great results from it and I only take b12 as prolactin control. On a small dose of tren as well.

>>75338747
I had to run test at like 400 for 500 mg DHB to keep e2 from crashing so I’d suggest keeping your eyes open for low e symptoms. And if you haven’t run superdrol I wouldn’t count on taking it more than two weeks at a time, you will feel like absolute shit.

>>75340002

There's a bunch. You can always ask in the forums too.

why are people so weird in this community, motherfuckers will swear by the weirdest cycle's/compounds.
>A good example is deca

>>75343537
What's wrong with deca?

>>75343537
How is deca "weird"?
It's one of the most popular steroids?

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>>75343537
Thank you for your opinion natty.

I've never touched deca or tren and at this point I'm too old. But I don't have to pause and go gee I wonder why people take those harsh compounds. I know exactly why. It's a trade off.

>>75343962
i swear to god i fucked this chick before she got that atrocious boob job. i took her on the road with me when working and ended up having to put her on a greyhound back home to where i met her since i had to go work on the other side of the country. plenty of fish used to be wild.

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>>75343962
deca is for all ages, grandpa

>>75344201
it stands for decade
you can only make gains if you pin it the first 10 years of your life

>>75340577
what causes the low e? should I also combine 400 test with it?
or are there other compounds that are less frequent hair loss and doesn't increase prolactin drugs?