Redpill me on why CICO is fake and gay
A Jew made up CICO.
>>75380553It's not, it's just a mathematic principle that exists in all diets. It's inescapable. Even trying to say x actually has a diffent value just means it's still right but the accounting of it was wrong.People trying to break it by making asinine hypothetical diets still prove it's correct.
>>75380553CICO is real1 gram of stones weighs the same as 1 gram of feathers. a calorie is a calorie. what happens nutritionally besides calories falls outside of the CICO idea and is not part of the discussion.
>>75380553Because CICOfags are under the illusion like every fitness grifter that all our bodies are the same, we produce the same amount of hormones, and most of all that the human metabolism is also all the same. Things like genetics and race are more prevalent. Our ancestors for example understood what we know today and that's you are what you eat.
>>75380553Have you actually tried cico?You can eat big macs every single day of your life and lose weight, as long as you don't go over your calorie limit. Anyone that says CICO is fake and gay is 340lb.
>>75380553Its not/thread
Can someone tell me how poop factors in? Surely your body is not processing at 100% efficiency, right? For instance, if I ate 2000 calories, am I potentially pooping out 400 calories and thereby only have been affected by 1600 calories? Or is it baked in?
>>75380599blah blah blahjust because we're not genetically equal doesn't mean reality isn't equal for everyone.
>>75380553Cico is real. Gay is another debate
>>75380614were you homeschooled or did you just skip biology in high school? look up how your digestive system works, shit is crazy bro.
>>75380614Doesn't matter your intake recommendations already reflect that. Because they're based on how many calories they fed a person not how many calories they absorbed perfectly.
>>75380614You're thinking too hard about it, just stick to the number from the time you wake up until the time you go to sleep.
The CO half of the equation is dependent on variables that can't be reliably quantified by any tools that you have available to you. In a technical sense, therefore, a bona fide purely mathematical approach to weight loss/gain is not actually possible, and qualitative decision-making is logically inevitable. If you talk to someone who claims to have lost weight "just counting calories" about their lifestyle at any length, they will invariably start talking about qualitative reasons for decisions they make - statements like, "Oh, I don't eat a meal like X most of the time, because it makes me feel tired after. Why do I eat Y? Because it's good for you. Yeah I always get great workouts when I eat Z, why do you ask?" and so on - the part where it's a simple math equation is an illusory construct that's never actually a meaningful way of summarizing what a successful trainee did to get where they are. It's just not a useful, actionable model for the process that actually takes place.
If it was real, proteins would never be used for anything other than getting energy
>>75380858That makes absolutely no sense
I have used CICO to both gain and lose weight and it has worked at the exact pace I wanted every single time. Just a few weeks ago I finished a 5 pound cut where I decreased my calories in by 500 per day compared to maintenance and lost 5 pounds in exactly 5 weeks, as advertised. I did the same thing before to lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks. Anyone who says CICO doesn't work hasn't done it.
>>75380553Anti-CICO retards make up ludicrous strawman arguments that they can then refute with common sense. Meanwhile the actual principle of CICO remains an inescapable reality regardless.
>>75381101>CICO remains an inescapable realityThis is the "ludicrous strawman" that common sense refutes. "Inescapable reality" is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for a piece of information to be useful for achieving a goal. You need to know more than "eat less move more" in the abstract to develop a plan to reliably change body composition. Common sense grasps this easily.
>>75380553There's a hair on my screen!
>>75380553Sometimes your body craves other shit nigger
>>75381306And if you don't eat your protein then you will always be a dyel
>>75380579You're a fucking idiot who has no idea what people mean when they say CICO.
>>75380823Mathematically though . You can figure out co roughly by comparing calories in to weight gained or lost since one pound is 3500 cal
>>75381336No you! But literally. You and all your fat fuck friends coping because you have no self control distort what most people mean because they aren't coping fattasses
>>75381352I have never had any problems with my weight and have in fact been underweight briefly when I wished to be, turns out being underweight is both hard and shit for lifting so I'm not anymore. CICO is an expression of itself, it's not meant to be taken as another way of saying the second law of thermodynamics, same as how the periodic table is not just any table that's period. There are idiomatic terms like these throughout the english language.
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>>75380567Think again who did what.
>>75380553>consume less calories>lose weight>consume more calories>gain weightIf you wanted to talk about the merits of using keto that would be fine, but are there actual retards on this board who believe CICO isn't true?
>>75380599>you are what you eatAnd how does that contradict CICO?
>>75381414They're not retards, you are. CICO is bogus. Saying the 2nd law of thermodynamics is just saying a physical law. That's not what CICO is. CICO means you count all calories as the same that you ingest and you calculate your basal metabolic rate plus exercise and whatever other shit and you get your answer in calories per day added or deficit and you gain or lose weight according to that. But it doesn't work because as that other anon said you are what you eat, and CICO is for morons.
Oops I guess it's the first law of thermodynamics, don't know where I got the second from.
>>75381434Are you trying to say that because you need to care about macros for bodybuilding that CICO is false?That's not a contradiction of CICO.
>>75380553Cutting calories out of your diet is horrible for you health and should never be done. The ideal way to lose weight is eat more and work out more. Eat 3-4k calories and burn 4-5k a day. CICO fags think that starving yourself is just as good a way to lose weight as anything else. >>75381414Look at this faggot telling you to eat less. Dead by 50 guaranteed.
>>75381531I didnt tell anyone to do anything. I just stated facts and your lardass is seething about it.Have another serving of bacon and die at 40 you dumb fat bitch.
>>75381420You people just move the goalposts so these conversations are retarded. It starts with:>Weight loss is literally just a simple formula, just count calories and put them in the calculator, it's not even important what they are as far as weight loss is concerned. And then when a bunch of people tell you that that's a stupid approach and give a bunch of perfectly good reasons why choices that don't fit neatly into a calculator have a huge impact, whoosh go the goalposts to:>Well actually technically it's just a math formula, and all the better diet strategies you're talking about technically satisfy the formula, so it's not like I'm wrong or anything.Fucking stupid. See you retards tomorrow to go around in the same circle again.
>>75380553you need to be metabolism-maxxing
>>75381546You realize it's just one autist mining yous right?
>>75381546Explain to me how somebody eating <1000 calories a day eating candy bars wont lose weight.Nobody said you shouldn't make healthy choices in the calories you consume, that's your retard take because you cant understand basic concepts.
>>75380553There's nothing fake and gay about the laws of physics.
When someone says cico doesn't work I know they're either stupid or have no willpower. I have used to gain and lose weight by just tracking shit on an app. It's so easy. Like mega easy.
>>75381516>>75381716That's where you're fundamentally misunderstanding what CICO is. CICO is a theory or maybe like a philosophy on how to go about losing weight, it is not about the laws of physics. It's very obnoxious when someone thinks just because they learned something in middleschool about physics and calling people retarded because hurrr you can't get rid of energy. CICO means that you don't give a shit about macros, ok? You got that? That's what CICO means, that's what they practice, they say fuck all that shit. Similar for burning off calories, they don't really take muscle into account. Just because a word means one thing when you break up the words literally, doesn't mean it always means the same, that you can always break it down the same way and use the literal words like that. Yes, everyone knows what you mean when you say that energy is energy, you're not smarter than everyone shitting on CICO because you can say "well acshually energy in equals energy out... ", you are misunderstanding what they mean when they do CICO.
>>75381910>CICO means that you don't give a shit about macros, ok? You got that? That's what CICO means, Please stop being disingenuous faggot and fuck off. Here's your last you from me. We know you're just farming for yous anyway thanks for making it obvious to everyone.
>>75380823>The CO half of the equation is dependent on variables that can't be reliably quantified by any tools that you have available to you.wrong, it can be precisely calculated from your caloric intake and the change in your weight
>>75381932In terms of calculating or setting a goal for weight loss? That's literally what you're supposed to do. It's the exact opposite of a diet like keto, which is also of course garbage.
>>75381993So I don't understand.No matter what diet, exercise, or just sitting around and jerking off program you do, you have to eat less than an amount that causes you to gain weight, right?
>>75382009Right, and that less can't be measured in calories ingested alone unlike what the CICO idea says.
>>75382116I don't think anyone has said 'in calories ingested alone.Most of the arguments I've seen in this thread in favor of Cico said something to the tune of 'adjust calories taken in on the basis of how much weight you gain and lose'.
>>75380553Its not tho
>>75382009You can have one diet where you eat less but since it's shit your metabolism simply slows - you feel like shit, your workouts are shit, and you either barely lose weight or don't lose any at all. And you can have a diet where you eat more than that, but with more clean and useful fuel for your body, and your metabolism speeds up - You feel good, smash workouts, and melt bodyfat off rapidly.This is why everyone is trying to tell you that fixating excessively on the numbers as if nothing else is important is stupid. Nitpicking about it to say "well AKSCHUALLY in that second case the CI still ends up lower than CO so the formula remains true" is just pedantic.
>>75380599Absolute retardation to not think CICO is a thing
>>75382546>'adjust calories taken in on the basis of how much weight you gain and lose'.And that's stupid. You can control so many things about your diet that can have such a big impact, confining yourself to Quantity as the only lever you get to pull is just cucking yourself for no reason. And after a few months of pure calorie restriction the metabolism just slows to adapt anyway - but enjoy dialing it back more and more until you're "willpowering" through lethargy and depression to lose a tenth of a pound per week if that's your thing and it makes you feel hardcore, I guess.
>>75380567>>75380553Unironically, Matt Walsh has been pushing CICO on jewtube and Twitter, and he works for the Israeli Wire. Take from that what you will.But CICO is just retarded on its face. It implies that you can eat complete slop and still be healthy if you just limit the slop. No. The body is a machine that requires nutrients. You eat food for nutrients, not calories. If you ate nothing but cake all day every day, hou organs would start to shut down because they are literally starving of the vital nutrients required to perform their basic biochemical functions.If you eat nutrient-dense food, your boys will self-regulate and you'll be at a healthy weight. This is how our ancestors survived for hundreds of thousands of years (millions if you count pre-hominids). They didn't measure their meat and berries on a scale to hit their calorie goal for the day. It's self-evidently retarded.
>>75382546No, I'm talking about macros. Protein calories aren't the same as carb which aren't the same as fat. They're not all absorbed by the body the same way. CICO is all about reading the label and looking at the calories in it. There would be no point in having any CICO if it was just a restatement of the first law of thermodynamics. Now I'm done with this discussion.
>>75382725CICO does not tell you what to eat just quantity. It is not a diet. It is not health guideline. It's rule about mass gain or loss relative to energy intake. It is part of your diet regardless of what you are eating.
>>75381185>for a piece of information to be useful for achieving a goalSee, Theres your strawman again. Nobody said thats what it was. Its simply a true statement. If your calories out exceed tour caloires in you will lose weight. Its irrelevant if its useful to you.
>>75380823>The CO half of the equation is dependent on variables that can't be reliably quantified by any tools that you have available to youSo your point is what? Since its difficult its not real? Do you also think string theory and microbiology are fake since you don't understand them because it'd be difficult to learn?
>>75382624>You can have one diet where you eat less but since it's shit your metabolism simply slowsYou made this up>you feel like shit, your workouts are shit, and you either barely lose weight or don't lose any at allThat is not "your metabolism slows".
CICO cultists be like>the only way to get people out of this stadium is to have fewer people enter than exit it>”how do we do that?”>it’s simple, you just let more people exit than enter>”but what is the most efficient way to facilitate this process?”>it doesn’t matter, all that matters is that less people come in than go out >”surely there’s some sort of planning or logistical strategy we can use to facilitate the outflow of people while preventing congestion and long lines?”>shut the fuck up, stop with your meme crowd management strategies, we just need to get more people out than are coming in. Everything else is secondary>”but how do we do this?”>dude the ONLY way to empty this stadium is for more people to leave than enter, do you not understand the basic rules of thermodynamics?
>>75381910>CICO means that you don't give a shit about macros, ok? You got that? That's what CICO meansNo, it isn’t.
>>75383885(you) like>the only way to get people out of this stadium is to have fewer people enter than exit it>”no, it doesn’t matter if more people exit than enter”
>>75383900>Strongest cicultist rebuttal
>>75382725>reddit spacing>missing the pointFucking idiot.
>>75383922>second strongest cultist rebuttalI have the best body ITT and cico is bullshit. If one person mogs me I’ll concedeLosers
>>75380553calories are measured by bomb testing, not by lipogenesis in the human digestive system
>>75380553People don't process food the same way as calorimeters do. Exactly which kinds of chemicals are in your food is actually very important, far beyond merely looking at calories, macros, vitamins and minerals, etc. Food is drugs, and you can get performance enhancement or decreases depending on which you select for the same calories.
>>75383905>just make sure high quality people enter and then the stadium will become empty regardless of the quantity >the concept of quantity has been debunked
>>75383885You keep posting, just barely reworded nonsense from Gary taubes. We get it.
>>75383679You missed the point completely. CICOtards are sacrificing their health so they can eat their favorite goyslop, but they eat less and call it a victory because they didn't balloon up to 300 lbs. Congrats, now your organs are starving and you'll be perpetually fatigued and die young. Well played.>>75383922>No argument>Confuses paragraphs with reddit spacingThis is the maximum intellectual capacity of the average CICOfaggot on full display
>>75380553Because all macros do something different, they don't all do the same thing in the body. The concept of calories just lumps them together.>protein doesn't get burned as energy unless you're in ketosis, otherwise it breaks down into amino acids which do not burn as energy, completely different role in the body>amino acids and ketones can never be stored as fat, so counting them as calories is flawed>dietary fat usually gets shit out if it isn't used as energy, fat is a god tier source of energy and yes it's used pretty much like a carb, but your body doesn't have to convert it first so it can take it right from the digestive tract and send it straight into the bloodstream, so it doesn't need to be stored>a body with more muscle can store more carbs, it converts them to glycogen and packs them into a muscle, so someone who's more muscular reacts totally differently to intaking carbs and sugars than someone with little muscle who will store most of it as fatIt's basically a flawed concept from like the 40s and 50s that hasn't been updated. But it works for fatties since the overall idea is just to eat less. But they can eat as much protein as they want and basically get 0 calories out of it because the body will try to burn stored fat before it goes into ketosis. Eventually ketosis will provide sustainable dietary energy if it's really that much but doubtful, and that's why keto diet works for weight loss. The body doesn't like being in ketosis, it will go for stored fat as energy first, but the fatty is satisfied because there's some food in his gut making him not feel hungy.
>>75384143Tl;dr protein has no calories unless in ketosis. So counting them as calories if you're getting adequate carbs/fats or have stored fat to burn is entirely flawed. The entire CICO concept needs to be reworked to reflect what macros are actually used as energy sources.
>>75384028>everyone reposting the same btfo cicocels is the same guyUh huh
>>75384152>Different people use the same mannerisms, words and language to describe the same person saying the same thing by chanceYeah uh huh
>>75384150Literally nothing you've just said is true.
>>75381910That is not what people mean, you are wrong and also gay.
>eat a bit less, more healthy and work out to burn more calories>lose weightwhat a mystery
>75384168>this Gary meme is universally acclaimed and shared everywhere not just fit>nooo it’s only one guy stalking me and calling me out!!1Uhhh huh
>>75383933Literally every athlete counts calories and macros. They all mog you. You are a faggot.
>>75384225I’m mercan Kroc retard
>>75384228And? No one gives a shit and you are still a faggot. MerCAN suck my Koc lmao
>>75384241That’s right I’m on Pinterest boards being listed after while you’re fat cico ass is hereStay mad kekkk
>>75384176Ah, a time traveler from the 1950s. Go ahead and try to deboonk me so I can laugh.
>>75384244Lusted after with your 12 followers. Lmao. Criticizing me for posting here while you do the same? You are a pathetic nobody, you don't mog anyone except for teenage girls, and you don't know better than professional athletes or even fitness "influencers". Lmao
>>75380599You know what, you're right. Your different from everyone. So, you should slit your own throat. Maybe you won't die
>>75384246Youve made an unsubstantiated claim based on your own figurative understanding of how biology works, which is incorrect. Its also logically flawed. A macronutrient cannot not have a quality "unless" a criteria is met. Protein has calories period. Its a macronutrient. If it was not caloric it could not be used as a substrate. What you are doing is making things up that sound correct to you, which is not how science works. Putting the fact that you responded to an innocuous post with mocking and deprecative humor, which shows that you aren't able to have a good faith discussion and instead resort to insults, it would be a good idea to have literally any evidence for your claim when posting something that goes against established physics and biology.
>>75384264You argue like a liberal lmao.>Protein has calories periodNo it doesn't. It breaks down into amino acids within the digestive system under normal circumstances. It only gets used as burnable energy if the body is it the extreme state of ketosis which is rare and definitely not reflective of most people picking up a product and looking at the nutrition facts. Protein cannot be used as energy by a normal body that's not in a state of ketosis, and it cannot be stored as fat according to the majority of studies done on the subject. So people concerned about taking in too much energy, or too much energy behind stored in their bodies as fat, do not need to be concerned about protein unless they're doing a diet where they're inducing ketosis. Counting protein as calories is flawed. Not considering body muscle composition is flawed because they'll store sugars differently. The calorie dieting concept of 70 fucking years ago is an attempt to keep it simple so idiots can understand how energy in the body works but that's a major flawed to count proteins and claim carbs are all handled the same in every body. All you retards recommend high fat diets which is even worse because fat is used as energy like carbs.Please take one second to at least Google my claims before spewing up noob bullshit at me. I've not been on /fit/ for 10+ years and apparently you retards haven't learned a damn thing yourselves since then. Parroting a bunch of absolute boomer mom garbage.
>>75384324Yeah, I didn't read past the first sentence, so I don't know why you typed out this big long post if you were going to start by just proving the fact that you are intellectually dishonest and can't have a coherent conversation without resorting to emotionally charged language. Whatever is making you so upset, I hope you can recover from it and learn to have decent conversations and discussion with people. I'm going to mark these posts as ignored, so feel free to try and one up me with some kind of witty comeback or call me a liberal or gay or a faggot or whatever you want to do, but I'm not going to see the posts.
>>75384330>t. Most intelligent Cicofag
>>75384330This has to be copypasta. Fats are fats, carbs are carbs, and proteins are proteins. There's a reason they call them different things and the calorie fad diet attempts to lump them all together into the same thing. Fats and carbs are used as energy by the body, proteins are not unless you're in ketosis. You need to do more research if you don't believe that because it's not a matter of belief. You learned something today, congratulations even though it had to be force fed to your fat dumb ass.
>>75384122>You missed the point completelyYou are missing the point completely. It Is Not A Diet. What people do with it does not make it any less true. The same way fat people pervert fasting into binge eating and keto is into binge eating and paleo into binge eating you are not able to control what people do with even correct information. If people can't put together cico + macro/micronutrient intake according to the demands they place on their body fuck em. They're too stupid to even log calories and activity with the kind of accuracy and consistency that would make a differnce.
>>75380553>redpill me on why "heat units in, heat units out" is fake and gayIf you were to listen to retards that spout this type of stupid shit, you would think that ingesting coal, wood or gas would add an extreme amount of fat on you. In reality, this concept is just pseudoscientific rhetoric coupled with a few truisms that gets people to starve themselves in order to continue eating the same garbage they enjoy, except in smaller amounts.
What if I eat healthy but also cut kcal? Someone suggested eat more and workout more but that sounds like I will just get fatter
the second law of thermodynamics is an emergent approximation and the universe is perfectly capable of creating energy from nothing according to quantum psychics
>>75380553Helps to understand it for people that want to lose weight, but the goal isn't actually to lose weight. The goal is to lose fat and the cico framework completely and utterly disregards specifically wanting to lose fat. It's only half of the info and cicotards never tell anyone how to specifically lose fat. They just ignore that portion and just parrot half baked catchphrases like, "It's the laws of thermodynamics bro", which they never actually read and don't actually know themselves. They just say that. Weight loss isn't the goal, fat loss is the goal.If you eat the exact same fucking diet with the exact same amount of calories, but one has junk food as the main source and the other one is a low or zero carb diet, you'll gain fat on the junk food one and lose fat on the zero carb one without changing calorie count at all. You can drop fat in a hypercaloric state and gain muscle in a deficit. Focusing entirely on the calories makes no sense
>>75380553wait until these retards figure out you can make protein and sugar purely from sunlight alone without eating any food at all
>>75380553It's not, fatass.
>>75383885People will exit the stadium on their own without any need to be forced out of the stadium. They got shit to do and places to go, they can't stay in the stadium forever, so if you stop putting people in there, then the ones that are in there will exit. If you stop putting people in there entirely, a steady stream of them will exit every day at a roughly consistent rate that trickles down to a smaller amount the less packed the stadium gets
>>75380553It's fundamentally true, and fucking retarded. >Not losing weight? Eat less. That's all it covers, and ignores absolutely everything else: physical and mental health, body composition, well being, hunger, athletic performance, difficulty of adherence, you name it. It's like asking a coach how to win a bodybuilding competition in 6 months, and he tells me to look better than everyone else. Yes it's a true statement, and worthless
>>75384244sounds like someone needs some corrective rape
>>75384468I've never counted calories and I'm in excellent shape. I've also never been fat. CICO is fucking retarded. Eat real food and exercise, and your body will regulate itself.
You want some real esoteric knowledge? Calories aren't real.
>>75385499Dubs of enlightenment
>>7538549998% of /fit/ isn't ready for knowledge like this let alone about how fatties are carrying a symbiotic fat suit
>>75380553Labeled packages are inaccurate. These inaccuracies stack. Chemistry unlike simple mechanical physics has huge margins of error. These margins are so large that they ruin all situation cues for you deciding what to eat. Bioavailability and adaptogenic nuances also undermine the static CICO assumptions. If you eat excess fat you shit it out. You don't absorb much more fat than you need. You are not a beaker. You are a super smart intestine in a super stupid store.
>>75385919CICO is a mono factorial model. Eating is the most multifactorial experiment we try.
>>75385933CICO assumes calories (a thermal unit) to scale in a complex system. Laws of thermodynamics do this in stock markets. However, your body is even more complex than the SP500. Pipes clog with fat and this nonhuman experiment convinces gay doctors that your arteries (with cell membranes made of fat!) that your carnivorous natural history of evolution will do the same with a predator fueled by arteries fueling an fueled artery prey will clog like pipe. Unfortunately that is like comparing a power switch to a gaming PC. Sugar is like bloatware for a gaming PC and clogs internal processing. All sugars are created equal. All psuedo sugars are malignant and unbalancing to the body's signaling pathways. Not all fats are created equal.
>>75380553The people who shit on CICO are hamplanets who eat 5k calories per day complaining that they can't lose weight counting calories because their CO might be 200 less than what online calculators say.
>>75385993CICO is KIKOWe should do QIQOQUALITY IN QUALITY OUT
>>75385996Portions ain't shit. You can't tell me my intestine responds the same to a pound of berries and a pound of burger. Likewise pure energy content has a different pathway. Gross revenue is not final profit out!
>>75380553because our bodies are not calorimeters
>>75383817>Nobody said thats what it was. Its simply a true statement.Ok, be proud of yourself for memorizing your little factoid. Good job!>>75383823>Since its difficult its not real?It's not difficult, it is impossible. You can guesstimate, self-reporting a few variables in a shitty calculator in your web browser and running another set of guesstimates in some tracking app, but this is not measurement. You're guesstimating a moving target and your margin of error can be twice as large as the deficit you're trying to hit, depending on lifestyle/diet choices that never make it into the calculator at all. >>75383829Ok, keep being clueless, and assuming the metabolism is some static variable and its fluctuations, if it had any, would be asymptomatic. Not my problem.
>>75385999Before consuming your food say you only eat Chef Avogadro's science diet from NIST measured foods. You will be mediocre in shape. Your body will then run its own energy expenditure and selections. Pic rel is an income statement. Calories in means revenue in. Consider a refinery vs a retail store. Two metabolic processes. Ketosis and grainfed. Calories from fat have a profoundly different system transforming quality. Calories from sugar have the mundane deferral quality of spiking intense appetites. A refinery is near immune from consumer demand. A retail outlet is being begged by black friday shoppers. These examples illustrate that your metabolic processes deserve more attention than the simplistic 1:1 put in put out. Eat luxuriously in front of a fat person instead of torturing people with ascetic sick man meals in a lab coat.
>>75385993You are confused. The people here who shit on CICO have all realized that losing weight is actually really easy, way easier than some autistic piggy using a spreadsheet to justify keeping slop in his diet would lead you to believe.
>>75386062Best post in the thread
B-but cottonseed oil is just as good as breast milk if you measure it!
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!A CALORIE IS A CALORIE IS A CALORIE IS A CALORIE IS A LOVE IS LOVE IS LOVE!GAY MARRIED COUPLED ADOPTED BABIES ARE THEIR BABIES!GIVE THEM VEGETABLE OIL CORN SYRUP SOLIDS OF STERILE SANITIZED SHELF STABLE NEVER BEFORE SEE CONCOTIONS!
>>75386111The Jew fears the TRVD SAMURAI
>>75386062>using a spreadsheetLiterally just eat less. It's that simple.
>>75386155Nope. Eating less velveeta is still keeping 50 days of metabolizing SLUDGE in your system for 50 days of aggravated skin and inferior cognition. Just eating more EUROPEAN in America is the solution. Eat MORE eat better! European portions will come naturally to calorie dense quality meals.
>>75380553>>75380553It's a gay government psyop like space. An imaginary number to help big food companies like Nabisco to push their unhealthy goyslop that keeps making us all fat and stupid. You can eat something like 3 meals a day like pic related and get or stay at a healthy weight
>>75386062No you're confused and it's the exact opposite of what you said
>>75386371Not an argument.This is an argument:MyFitnessPal is a superfluous app that accomplishes nothing for its most diligent users in private. Junk in. Junk out. It proves the joke of a system.
>>75386611No that's a statement
>>75386086>>75386111
>ketolards insisting itt that CICO and nutrition are the same thing as a strawman >they do it every day>refuse to understand when explained >repeat same idiocy the next day as if nothing happenedSomething something Hitler on debating jews. I still not sure are CICO denialists all mentally ill, retarded, kikes, shills or all of those.
>>75384181It is what people mean you stupid fucking faggot.
>>75380553I know cico works because I’m a lazy bastard and I will eat fast food even when cutting, I just eat a lot less and the fat falls right off in a few months
>>75387106The weird thing is when people dodge the assertion that x fuel has a correlation with y output and say, "cicofags say you can just eat sloppa as long as your kcals are low", but that's a bit like pointing at people like Amber Lynn Reid who 'went keto' to try to get youtube views. It's a bad faith argument pointing at the lowest common denominator of the population.It's almost the same 'lcd argument' pointing at the people in this thread who say, "eat more work out more, you'll lose weight". No, dumbass, the people who are concerned about losing weight do not need to eat more. Exercise more, certainly, but often they eat too much as is.
>>75380579>>75380581This.
>>75387165>>75387106It's the ketoschizo. Same memes every time, same strawmen. Ticks at least those mentally ill and shill boxes.
