what do you think fit? Why?
>>75467197Because it doesn't matter much. Just "eat healthy" sets the bar. Debating keto vs Atkins, etc. Just don't eat like a fatass with sweets and sugars. Everything else is just extra. CICO + not eating junk food is as simple and as complicated as it needs to get.
>>75467197competing monetary interests and studies on different genetic groups
>>75467208but what about gaotis and primal diet?
Because human races are different at a genetic level.What white men should eat is different from what niggers should eat.
>>75467197Read 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxleywe're drowning in noise
>>75467197avoid all this gay shit, carnies think meats the best because its "natural" even though it's farm animals not wild, vegans think plants are the best because meat bad, don't reinvent the wheel look at what works. brian johnson, slim land, Dave Pascoe, Chuando Tan ect ect, all follow a mediterranian style diet, low sat, high monosaturated fat, high veggies, fruits, fish, lean meat. pic rel a carnie looks unhealthy as shit
>>75467197cause it highly depends on what works specifically for you
>>75467197Humans are omnivores, so you can get away with eating many different diets and live just fine. With the internet and all the overthinking, people will just disagree about diets like they disagree about whether the earth is round or not, it's just a waste of time.
Because there are so many tiny factors that can change nutritional value in food and nutrients absorption in a person that it's practically impossible for our current scientific model to give us a consensus.>Ethnic background It's not just that white people like dairy, we are actually better at absorbing it up to a certain age. Most of us have the lactase persistence gene, allowing our stomachs to break down lactose more efficiently late into adulthood. Most nonwhite people aren't "lactose intolerant," they just can't digest lactose as well anymore. Similarly, I know a lot of Alaska natives. Native tribes in this part of the world didn't have much in the way of carbohydrates to eat, and as a result every Native guy I hang with gets hideous diarrhea when we eat stuff like cheese fries or pizza.>Growing conditions Different soil compositions affect plants differently, and that affects livestock differently. Its the same reason meat from a bear that eats at a village junkyard tastes like shit and wild bear meat tastes like berries. >Family historyEven if you're black, you might be able to not shit yourself when you drink milk if you have white ancestry in your blood.There are probably way more factors I could list, but you get the idea: our method of collecting scientific data is insufficient to account for all the different random factors that can impact nutrition
>>75467208Pretty much this. The real problem is massive amounts of sugar, ultra-processed garbage with meat that is barely meat, empty carbohydrates, shit quality oils in absolutely everything, onions in absolutely everything, corn syrup in absolutely everything.If you just eat food that is mostly actual food then you will be fine.
>>75467197There is a consensus on diet. Everyone agrees that meat makes humans strong and healthy, while plants make humans weak and diseased.Just like everyone agrees that mass immigration is harmful.People who advocate plant-based are trying to cause harm just like people who advocate immigration. The real disagreement is caused by different goals. The surface-level arguments are dishonest because the people trying to cause harm can't explicitly say it. They have to pretend that starving yourself on beans is great, actually.
>>75467197Because it's all bullshit. There is no perfect way to eat. The traditional old model of RDAs and avoiding malnutrition is the only one that makes sense. Other than cutting out the obvious garbage you can forget about "perfecting" diet. Even then, having a little garbage in your diet is probably fine, just don't become malnourished in anything. The only thing these "watch me thriving as a carnivore" or "watch me thriving as a fruitarian" prove is that it's fine to eat almost anything as long as you feel good. For lifting you need protein sure. But being picky is a waste of time, money, mental energy and everything else.
>>75467654>Everyone agrees that meat makes humans strong and healthyliterally nobody agrees with this except few youtube grifters and goatis like bald deranged shizos lol
>>75467197>why is there not even close to a consensus on diet?ok i will say just once.there is not a consensus because the science logic on diet is actually wrong.1º- paradigmthe diet is related to body type, aka genomics, aka genesis from bible.2º-paradigmmodern diet is not real food, real food is very well explained by weston a price.3º-paradigmif we ate the correct diet we would go to 120 years of age like in the bible said.we actually eat VERY wrong! And also eat a lot of NOT REAL FOOD.ok, now i will explain the reason behind those paradigms.first there 4 blood types, that happened because the mixing of genetics in the Eden where Adam and Eve lived. Because of this there are changes in body and in food the body can use and withstand/digest.Blood A - can eat grains/vegetables/fruits - pure Cain Type - Cain was a farmerBlood B - Eat milk - Pure Eve type - Can eat milk and vegetables and fruitsBlood AB - Eat milk and grains because this a mix of blood A and Blood BBlood O - Eat meat - Adamic/Seth type eat meat, because Abel had a livestock genesis 4-2 - Now Abel kept flocks(meat eater), and Cain worked the soil(vegetarian). Since Cain killed Abel, Seth was born after Abel and was pure lineage from Adam + Eve = Blood O
>>75467844contiuation...All this happened because in the Eden the serpent tricked Eve into sex, so it mixed the lineage(DNA) of the serpent and of Eve.Due to the all those thousand of years of mixing from Adamic people and Cainnanite people 4 blood types are now what we got.Blood A- Serpent DNA prevalent more than 50% DNA from serpentBlood B - Eve DNA prevalent more than 50%Blood AB- Serpent DNA 50% and Eve DNA 50%(very rare blood, because those blood don´t mix well, only possible due to the pregnancy, the serpent and Adamic blood are not compatible).Blood O - Adam 50% + Eve DNA 50% (Desired genetic by God, eats meat, sturdy).now that you know the basics, you will get why some people need to eat meat, others don´t, and others don´t actually crave anything, they can eat anything and be good.this also happens to their bodies shape/size/capabilitiesAdamic types are very often very strong, very muscular, don´t get sick easily, and have brown eyes to black eyes.Serpent types, are slim, very fragile, very intelectualy, get sick, have blue eyes, green eyes.The intermediate of both, will have diferent eye colors, and variations to the shape and capabilities, but they will follow those basic 2.knowing this you now should go for REAL FOOD for your type.we are currently eating a lot of food that is not original food, but mostly GMO, since GMO was not designed by God, it will poison your body, serpent people are deal very well with those poison in their bodies, what adamic people don´t do well with it, but adamic people will very often deal very well with damage to the body like cuts, bash and wounds that are not chemical.
>>75467796If leftists thought meat was harmful they wouldn't be trying to ban their enemies from eating it.Everyone agrees on almost everything. The real debate is always good (meat) vs evil (plants).
>>75467862why is every carnivore bald then?
>>75467197I think the reason carbs are such a contentious topic is because of people going from your typical "weight loss healthy diet", to keto, feel really good, and almost everyone who tries it can attest to that.I don't think it's the carbs, I think it's the fat that's lacking in a traditional "fat loss diet", if you didn't know already, a low fat diet absolutely tanks your testosterone levels. The typical weight loss diet in America involves low fat options for almost everything because they're low calorie (low fat yogurt, low fat milk, lean meats etc...), when I started counting my macros I found that I was eating a really small amount of fat, coming mostly from the oils used in cooking and eggs, which still weren't enough for optimal T levels.On the other hand, it's almost impossible to undereat fats on a keto diet. Which makes the people that switch from a typical weight loss diet to keto feel way better.This is just a hunch
>>75467872>why is every carnivore bald then?because they eat female cows.they use the cows for milk production and to enhance that, they inject the cow with female hormones to increase milk production.when the female cow is getting old, they will send her to the butcher to use the cow for meat.if males eat those female cow meat, it will have an astonishing high levels of estrogen that will disrupt males natural levels of testosterone, the human male body to compensate for the excess of estrogen into his body, will produce the stronger testosterone avaliable in the body, aka dihidrotestosterone that is very strong and will induce baldness.Men should eat bull male meat, and cock meat, not feminine animals meat very often, and i am not even talking about the onions animal feed that they feed those animals.
>>75467878It's contentious because it is a guaranteed easy cure for obesity, type 2 diabetes, and all sorts of other diseases.Some people want us fat and sick.
>>75467878>if you didn't know already, a low fat diet absolutely tanks your testosterone levels.its funny cuz its completely opposite; low carb diet tanks your t levels
>>75467197because the goal of 99% of people who go on a diet is to lose weight, and calorie counting, keto, and veganism can all achieve that since they all stop you from eating 5 big macs a day.
>>75467900not him but testosterone is literally made out of fat, you're a retard and I can tell just from this sentence that your grasp on English is tentative at best
>>75467654If anyone doubts this post just look at this guy: >>75467872 >>75467900He will say anything to prevent people from trying carnivore/keto/low-carb. Why? Because he is evil. He is upset at people getting strong and healthy.
>>75467900I highly doubt that.On the other hand, we have data for low fat diets on testosterone:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33741447/, shit reduces Test and free test by 40%
>>75467197there are people that are so schizo they would die (well not actually risk their life but be a menace and post all over social media for maximum social currency) to save a couple of fucking chickens or cowsit is political because everything is politicalthe people that like keto, like it for probably a lot of reasons, but one would be satiety making it easier. full protein makes it even easier because it is genuinely entirely retard proof, retard accessible. anyone can buy a bag of chicken and consume it, there isn't even any real measurement and you can't eat enough of it to even be fat.carbohydrates too were historically not an easily accessible, every day thing. abos had honey, cave men had a bunch of shitty berries and some roots that were mostly fiber. a high carbohydrate diet is not what a human being is made for on a genetic level. but even then, you can count them, you can lose weight tooso, multiple pathes to a desired outcome, just a debate on how you would ideally do it, with some retards out to make a point and some people who enjoyed success at one thing and stand by it
>>75467935>multiple pathes to a desired outcomeThis, if you're in your 20s/30s or even late teens, you have all the time in the world to expirement with adding different foods and removing shit from your diet and seeing what works.
>>754671971. Impossible to do meaningful intervention studies without a metabolic ward because everyone lies their asses off on food intake and exercise questionnaires2. Non-intervention studies have limited value because it's impossible to prove causation3. Properly run intervention studies under controlled conditions are rarely long enough to discern any potential benefits4. There are so many fraudulent studies and paper mill papers that any potentially good information we have is lost in the etherHere is what we know for sure about human health: 1. Being a fatass is terrible for you2. Being overly stressed is terrible for you3. Not getting enough sleep is terrible for you4. Sitting/standing in place for long periods of time without moving is terrible for you5. Protein is very satiating and no matter what diet you have you should probably be consuming 0.5g protein per pound bodyweight per day, or moreIf you take care of the things above you will likely be as healthy as you can realistically be.
>>75467878>I think the reason carbs are such a contentious topic for people with genetic of people who lived in 4 seaons of the year.>when is the time animals eat and reproduce?during spring, where there is a lot of fruits and food, they eat a lot during spring, will get fat and mate so that females are pregnant before the end of summer.in the fall and winter, they will use the fat stored as energy source, and those animals who don´t have fats, will hunt other animals for food, during auttum and winter, since there is no fruits and no leafs.so basica people with white countries genetics should eat meat/fat in the winter and carbs/fruits during spring and summer.but this don´t happen in tundra and tropical countries.in tropical countries there are not autumn winter, so entire year is basicaly spring and summer, so being fat, will cause you to overheat, because it´s hot all the year! so people in tropical countries will mostly eat few roots, but majority will hunt animals, that reproduce entire year all along.in tundra countries, there are not vegetables and fruits avaiable, so they will mostly eat meat and fat avaiable, so they preserve meat with the cold, basicaly they hunt after reproduction time of the animals and live also on meat and fat, and the few carbs they find, aka mushrooms, those are only able to survive in the tundra.
>>75467942Enough scientific proof already exists.There is no disagreement on how to cure obesity. The disagreement comes from the fact that some people don't want us to cure obesity.Good people advocate animal-based low-carb. Bad people advocate plant-based CICO. Both sides agree on what will happen when you choose either diet.
>>75467916>>75467933???
>>75467891Yeah it does because you're eating natural food.Being a fruitarian and eating almost 100% simple sugars that you find in fruit does it vastly better and more easily. You're eating both natural foods and the foods your body wants you to eat. This guy was all over the media over a decade ago talking about it and is still going (had been a marathon runner, has taken to climbing huge mountains in icy cold weathre now I believe, check out his youtube channel). https://michaelarnstein.com/running-and-diet/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpefYe2WqLYThe only reason the media got tired of him is because:1) People who practice high fruit diets are usually too sensible and rational to go all in for no reason other than extremism. They'll eat a little vegetables and meat sometimes. Going to an extreme is stupid, but that's all viewers care about. You have to be some form of clown to get eyeballs these days, at least with diet. Ketards are not sensible and carnivores shouldn't be allowed to live independently because it's just a shame to see a person killing themselves, like watching an animal suffer. 2) Because males instantly get the ick about a diet that has little protein. In reality you only need a little protein but as someone who lifts, I admit I get as obsessed with gains as anything so I take whey and eat low to mid amounts of eggs and chicken. Females tend to follow males, so that's why the fruitarian diet isn't as prevalent as the ketard diet - both are extremist.
>>75467862Dude on right looks about 20 years older
>>75467891>guaranteed easy cure for obesityYou can eat the minimal amount of protein and fat to survive, while the rest of your diet comes from carbs and you'll still lose weight as long as you're in a caloric deficit.
>>754679852/2And the other reason they stopped covering him is because he's going against some of the mainstream muh scientific "theories". He doesn't fit with their supposed view of things. They're basically denying and hiding that people like that exist because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Out of sight, out of mind.
>>75467197Zionists lie, obscure the truth and present fake and conflicting "popular" stances with their control of media to deceive and weaken the public.We must kill all jews to save the world.
>>75467958sorry to break it, to you guys, i am not the other dude who was replying to you but.>ketogenic diet reduces free testosteronethis is a liethe problem that majority of people don´t get, is that chlolesterol is a fat, testosterone is a fat, you made testosterone by oxidizin the chloesterol, but IT NEED TO BE ANIMAL FAT, if you do ketogenic with VEGETAL FAT, YOU ARE FUCKED IF YOU DO WITH VEGETAL FAT OR TRANSFAT.this is the KEY SECRET that vegetarians, and even some carnivores don´t get it.this is why vegans eat eggs yolks, and why carnivores get well, because it´s better than eating carbs, but to be optimal, you need to eat animal fat, so cook meat, with lard, bacon fat, pig fat. for example to absorbs all those vitamins from liver meat, you need to cook it with butter, lard or bacon fat. if you cook it with vegetable fat, you just destroyed your vitamins!this is why people get off carnivore diet, because they don´t understand the basic! chemistry!DONT COOK WITH, OLIVE OIL, COCONUT OIL, AVOCADO OIL, ONIONS OIL,CANOLA OIL.HIDROGENATED OIL, ALL THOSE SHIT WILL OCUPY YOUR TESTOSTERONE RECEPTORS AND WILL NOT TRIGGER A RESPONSE AND FUNCTION ON THE BODY!
>>75468023what a shizo nonsense lmao
>>75467197Mostly it's because to even start towards a consensus you need to kick vegans out of science entirely. They're zealots and anything from their camp cannot be in any way trusted.Once you do that you can establish a baseline again on heart disease and obesity.Anything tainted by vegans cannot be taken seriously.
>>75468025all what jews can do in the face of truth is just claim it as nonsense without any logical reasoning or proof.i have 2 university degree, a medical degree, and am more strong and fit than ever!modern carbs are not made to be eaten!transfat acumulates in the body! permanently! transfat is like candle wax, this causes the americans overobese that dont work with any treatment! because transfat is almost plastic!modern carbs are all GMO.
>>75467958>two completely different studies each with a sample size of 10, one of which being more than half women>literally says it only affects obese men and normal sized men's testosterone doesn't decrease at all>even that's not supported by the data, all these differences are small enough to be explained by normal fluctuation with such a small sample sizeSeriously dude stop trying to start arguments in a language you do not speak. You are so very obviously a pajeet who avoids meat for religious reasons and working backwards to try to push that on us.
>>75468042>i have 2 university degree, a medical degree,and yet you provided zero evidence for your shizo claims except screaming DAAA JOOSS. interesting. modern academia is shit if shizos like this can get a degree.
>>75468045>working backwards to try to push that on us.who are 'you' ?
>>75467197Because influencers are making money off you thinking they have some secret knowledge that no one else doesDiet is solved. Moderate to high protein, moderate fats, moderate carbs, enough greens to meet micros, enough variety that you don't want to kill yourself every time you eat dinner. Adjust portion sizes to meet caloric needs.The only thing remotely debatable is the fats, because some evidence claims saturated fat is good for you while other studies suggest it's the literal heart satan
>>75467197There is a consensus tho. Don't eat anything that looks like junk (potato chips, gummies, chocolate bars, etc.) because they have empty calories, seed oils, high sodium and sugar with no extra nutrients. Reading anything other than that will give you a headache when it comes to nutrition
Mediterranean or Okinawan or a handful of other diets that come from places that have significantly longer lifespans than average.It's literally that simple if you're prioritizing longevity and QOL. If you're worried about sport performance there are other diets that are optimized. There is a consensus and there's no debate about it.>>75467208Well yeah, you look at the "good diets" and they just tell you to eat good food that's fresh. It really is not that complicated.
>>75467943>so basica people with white countries genetics should eat meat/fat in the winter and carbs/fruits during spring and summer.White people evolved white skin because their original diets were lacking in vitamin D, mostly because they relied on staple grains that they could throw in a storage bin for the winter and gradually grind and eat them as needed with no fancy preservatives.Other places didn't have to plan this far ahead or simply never adapted their diet to these easy-to-store grains that were also easy to grow.>Meat and fat in the fall and winterIt's not really like this, even in the spring when you've got plants popping up it still takes a LONG time for any calorie-producing plants to pop up in significant number to feed you, you're not getting 2,500 calories a day from leeks and spring onions. Animals, however, would have been out and about trying to get at the limited spring foods that were popping up. In summer it would be normal to start eating more carbs, and fall was typically harvest season when all of the fruits and grains were coming in, but animals would also be fattening up for winter and were a good food source. Winter was where you dug into your stores and ate a lot of easy-to-store foods, grains, nuts, ect, but it would primarily be grains.Sure, you could occasionally get some game in winter, but if it's snowy it's gonna be harder to carry it back, you're gonna need to expend extra energy to hunt, and it's gonna be higher risk. Holing up and telling stories was what they did for 90% of the winter, along with winter crafts and maintaining their shelter.Humans aren't really like other animals, we have some of the generic animal stuff but we also have specific adaptions, particularly for white people who learned to farm and make things.
Humans are differentdifferent geneticsdifferent lifestylesdifferent enviromentsdifferent likes and dislikesdifferent goals>there must be some kind of golden diet that every human can eat forever and be healthypipe dream
Don't eat more calories than you need toEat proteinGet your vitamins It's literally that easy
>>75467197Tell him people are different gets you banned doesn't it
Ozti had arteriosclerosis and that cunt died over 5000 years ago. Either you accept that human beings are just prone to shitty health conditions or you accept that otzi's diet (the diet of a bronze age shepherd i.e organic grain and meat) is bad for you. The truth is that the decision about what to eat in the distant past wasn't based on what was nutritionally ideal, but on what was available. No one decided to start eating oats or whatever because it was good for their macros, it's because it was what was available. Humans evolved from a big ape (australopithecus) that, based on the available evidence, ate primarily grasses, seeds, and tree bark. Later we evolved really good hands and bigger brains and started to use tools, and then eventually started to figure out how to use those tools for hunting. The majority of evidence indicates that hominid meat consumption began around the period of Homo (lmao) erectus (double lmao). H.E didn't have the teeth we would expect a carnivore to have, he evolved from a fucking ape that ate tree bark, but it's clear that his digestive tract could handle meat. Whether it was "good" for him was beside the point, it was an additional source of food and ancient hominids tool whatever they could get as far as food sources that didn't immediately kill them were concerned. The fact that homo (lol) as a genus engages in practices such as grinding, fermentation, butchery and cooking that essentially begin the digestive process outside the body using tools complicates attempting to track our nutritional history. Grain grinding for use of grain as a food source dates to at least 60,000 BC, so H.E's descendants (us) were capable of digesting grain but whether it was ideal for them is beside the point: it was there and our capacity for tools use turned grain in to a viable food source. It's possible that if a fully carnivorous hominid evolved it was out competed in times of scarcity by populations that could sustain themselves on grain.
>>75467197Grains aren't great but they're not as terrible as people make them out to be.A consensus regarding diet had been reached a long time ago, optimal one os the balanced diet. Vegeniggers and ketotards are all pretending that they know something that nobody else does or are retarded ideologues.
>>75469292>homo (lol)goddamn it stop pointing it out argh
>>75469292Plant eating animals ferment the plants into farty acids within their bodies after consumption.
>>75469317I had to delete words to make that post fit but decided to keep those in.Anyway my point is that you can't assume that because ancient people (or pre homo[lmao] sapiens hominids) ate it that it was good for them. Keep in mind that as long as it doesn't kill you before your kids are old enough to take care of themselves it won't massively affect sexual selection. Populations that consumed both meat, grains, and vegetables won the evolutionary arms race between hominid populations (assuming there was even any competition), but we can't assume that is because that diet leads to good long term health over the course of the 80-odd year life of the modern homo(lol) sapien, just that those populations were broadly more successful likely due to the fact that they were less vulnerable to food scarcity. It doesn't matter if something isn't great for you if it keeps you alive. Animals don't pick what's good for them and eat that, they eat what is available evolve to maximise their nutritional gain from that food source because the individual members of the population who can more effectively timely sustain themselves on the available food sources are more successful reproductively. If all that was available for humans to eat was goyslop, humans would eventually evolve to be suited to eating it since individuals who are less vulnerable to negative health effects of eating goyslop would be stringer and healthier and produce more children carrying their advantageous goyslop consuming genes.
