Who is /fat/ for?For hungry hippos who are working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/>What do I do first?1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros) or LoseIt (great for both).>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy diseased heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html>DON'TEat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of carbohydrates.Eat processed foods.Drink your carbohydrates(alcohol, soda, Starbucks).Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks."Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.>Other resources:Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/Reddit Wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faqPrevious thread: >>75469747
Why do people think they can eat carbs and still succeed at their weight loss goals?
>>75476507Since that Anon seems afraid to reply: "Ketoschizo" is any post that a vegan doesn't like. Anyone can check the archives for historical documentation of this fact.That is why people who are against seed oils get called ketoschizo. And that's why someone can make a post like this:>>75476410>I eat carbs as a treat occasionallyAnd get called "ketoschizo".
Remember: sticky good, keto bad
>>75476573>Remember: mRNA injections good, going outdoors without a mask bad
>i tried everything but i still cant lose weightanyone who posts this is lying.
keto is the latest leftie meme fad right wingers eat the food they ate as kids: bread, pasta, rice. healthy momcore
>>75476551Oof. The strongest keto vs the weakest vegan.
>>75476587>keto is the latest leftie meme fad >right wingers eat the food they ate as kids: bread, pasta, rice. healthy momcore
>>75476591Such an accurate photo.
>diet wars is this 2012
>>75476602damn if we're time traveling maybe we can bring in the tim ferris 4hour___ slow carb fad too. maybe the master cleanse (aka the precursor to the zoomie's snake juce meme)
Are there any diets that help boost metabolism and energy levels? I loose the most weight when I can work out a lot, but calorie restriction makes me dead tired and depressive. I tried Keto and Vegan, both ended with me feeling really weak. There's a lot of Ray Peat hype I've never heard of before that promotes this, but idk if it's effective or if there is a better more weight loss specific way.
>>75476591
>>75476631Keto boosts metabolism by +500kcal/day. It also increases energy levels by enabling fat burning.
>>75476602Now that Trump won the diet wars are settled. America is carnivore country. The plant-based bugmen lost.
Mom bought some Clementine oranges/tangerines. No nutritional facts on the bag, are they a decent post-workout snack? I plan on getting something like turkey sticks or jerky for the protein when I grab groceries.
>>75476631long term sustained energy can come from any energy source, be it fat or carbs - just make sure you take enough protein so your body can derive its essential amino acids. quick energy for athletic purposes eg working out can only come from sources like sugars that are quickly absorbed and fuelled by the body. Before you work out have fruit and/or a normal meal like bread.
>>75476668Decent for weight loss? No.Delicious? Yes.
>>75476669That post was typed by an obese unathletic person.
>>75476668Clementines are goated, literally just small oranges. I eat serveral every day as a desert. It's mostly water
>>75476410>If you eat zero carb food you can eat any time you're hungry without worrying about it. I eat 2-3 times a day usually. Never tallied the calories in my meals because it's totally irrelevant.So you're doing carnivore if its truly zero carb?>I eat carbs as a treat occasionallyHow often do you break it? Does it fuck with your stomach, indigestion etc. if you've gone say a month without any carbs/fiber and a variety of foods in general and then suddenly have something other than meat?
>>75476685"Truly zero carb" is arguable but zero carb is generally used to refer to an entirely animal-based diet without lactose.I'd estimate I eat carbs about once a month. I don't really track it I just have it when I feel like it. This summer I drove past a pie shop on the way to my cottage so I stopped and tried their meat pie. It's not something I schedule or restrict at all.My stomach is generally fine when I eat simple things like sucre a la creme or homemade butter croissants. I get gassy when I eat apple crisp which I assume is from the oats. If I eat ultraprocessed food it makes me mentally depressed so I stick to clean ingredients when I treat myself.
>>75476690NNOOOO IT HAS CARBS IT'S UNHEALTHY
>>75476690Good to know, thanks. I know they were always the big thing back in soccer practice. The sweetness of the last batch really surprised me, or maybe I am just getting use to not eating "proper" sweets like chocolate.
>>75476733The person telling you to eat clementines is obese. He is a bucket crab.When trying to lose weight, every carb you eat is a step away from your goals.
>>75476740good carbs (potatoes, rice) are fine. starches are bad (bread, pasta, etc).
>>75476717This is a reply to this: >>75476699Also I should add that I consider dill pickles and sauerkraut essentially zero carb. It's not something you have to be strict about. Close to zero carb is close enough.Also it is worth noting any cheese aged 6+ months is zero carb.
>>75476750dont even bother
>>75476750Fine in what sense?Carbs are fattening and therefore counterproductive to weight loss. If you want to reach your goals slower or not at all, go ahead and eat "good carbs". If you want guaranteed success avoid all carbs.
Most reasonable people know that LCHF diets are a viable fat loss method, and plenty of research backs that up. It is not the only method that works, as has been proven time and time again. It comes down to the individual. If carbohydrates—particularly highly-processed, ultra-palatable forms—are your kryptonite, then LCHF is worth considering. If you enjoy carbohydrates and can manage what you eat, then don’t bother with it.It also depends on your goals. I think ketobro looks like a deflated balloon, and I much prefer my body to his. But that doesn’t really matter—he’s apparently happy with how he looks so good for him. I think including carbohydrates in my diet improves my ability to add lean mass, and I also enjoy them, so I will keep eating them. You can find individual papers to support whatever position you want.For example, here is a study published last month:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378570996_Effectiveness_of_high-fat_and_high-carbohydrate_diets_on_body_composition_and_maximal_strength_after_15_weeks_of_resistance_trainingThe researchers split the study group into two cohorts: one on LCHF diet and one on HCLF, but with the same amounts of protein and total calories. After a 15-week resistance training program, the HCLF cohort showed appreciable increases in lean mass and maximal strength while losing fat. The LCHF cohort lost more fat than the HCLF cohort, but they also lost lean mass and maximal strength.Then there was this systematic review from 2022:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8878406/It looked at 44 papers and found that the differences between low carb and high carb was basically a wash for strength and resistance training except for a few edge cases. So do whatever 1) you want, 2) gets you the results you are after and 3) you can maintain long-term. Anyone that is an absolutist probably doesn’t give much of a shit about helping anyone. They mostly just want to push their dogma and argue.
>>75476764Carbs are not inherently fattening or counterproductive to weight loss; weight loss depends on maintaining a calorie deficit, not eliminating specific macronutrients. Carbohydrates, especially "good carbs" like whole grains, fruits, and vegetables, provide essential nutrients, fiber, and energy that support satiety and overall health. While low-carb diets can lead to short-term weight loss, this is often due to water loss and reduced appetite, not superior fat loss compared to other calorie-controlled diets. Cutting out carbs entirely can harm energy levels, exercise performance, and long-term sustainability, making adherence difficult. Studies show that moderate carb intake is effective and healthier than extreme low-carb approaches, underscoring the importance of balance rather than restriction.
>Carbs are fatteningYou know what's fattening? You know what source of fuel, when not used, gets immediately stored as fat without requiring conversion? FATSomeone typed those words with a straight face (proverbially of course, since he is a faggot)
>gone for years>come back>this faggot ketoschizo is still spamming the same picinsane
>>75476787Obesity is a hormonal disorder. Being obese proves you need to fix your hormones. Low-carb is how that is done.There is not a single obese person who benefits from eating carbs. Advocating carb consumption in a weight loss thread is borderline malice.
>>75476764this is how we know youre trolling/have never lost weight for more than a week. real /fat/ties know theres a limit to how much weight you can reasonably expect to lose per week. the fact that you dont know what that is, or think that macronutrients plays a part in that, gives you away. if you want to know how to lose weight, read the OP. good luck, anon.
>>75476796>You know what's fattening? Carbs.Pic related shows low-fat vs low-carb studies. Low-carb always wins.
theres a reason we dont call it carbening
>>7547681160lbs a month. Macronutrients (i.e. no carb) being the biggest factor.>>75476815Fat is the preferred fuel source of the body. Carb trash gets converted to fat for storage. The body will block fat burning until it has disposed of harmful carbs. That's why in the English language we say "carbs are fattening".
>>754768276.8kg/weekyep, gave yourself away again. look man, if youre fat and want to lose weight, just ask for genuine advice. we'll help you. if youre not fat and are just trolling, then you dont belong here.
You're ass backwards. Carbs are the preferred fuel source, fat is the preferred storage form. The body, trying to be efficient, does not resort to de novo lipogenesis except when there is no fat to directly store - it is more thermodynamically efficient to burn the carbs and store the fat than it is to burn the fat and convert the carbs into fat.
>>75476841You are like MSNBC. Smarmy left wing dishonesty falls flat on a free speech platform.
>>75476857so youre a troll then. got it
>>75476845Best for last.Alcohol is disposed of first. Carbs are disposed of second. Fat is saved for last.QED. Fat is the preferred energy source for human bodies.
>>75476799I had the same experience. It's insane to me that people will really spend their entire lives spamming specific 4chan threads with nonsense
>>75476885i applied to be a janny and im probably gonna get it, so these posts are the ones im gonna target first
>>75476885What don't you understand about the posts I am making? Ask for help and I will explain.
>>75476799he was gone for a few months and it was peaceful, he just came back within the last week or so.
>>75476888Thank God. I hope you succeed but I will still have to bully you for working for free
>>75476889I don't understand why you waste your life spamming the same images every day for years. It is pathetic and sad
imagine if our schizo friend spent this time doing cardio or something instead
>>75476900Helping friends is never a waste.
>>75476914I am not a leftist, I voted Trump three times. If you were a success story then you wouldn't be wasting your time here with this for a crumb of attention online
>>75476923I am a success story. Helping friends is not wasting my time. I am anonymous.You're mad.
>>75476957I'll give you one last (you) since you work so hard for them
>>75476015 #Yeah, I'm 5'0 so at 128lbs you're BMI 25, which isn't expulsion worthy if you're enlisted. Are you kidding? You can ENLIST while obese. It's even easier to stay enlisted and get fat. The air force allows females to have a body fat of thirty six (36) percent.
>>75476969Nice try, libtard.>The recent paper by Zhao et al. (1) claims to identify detrimental effects of the ketogenic diet (KD) on cognitive function in rats. Despite their comprehensive approach to testing cognitive performance, this paper has a serious flaw making it premature to conclude that the KD may pose a potential risk for long-term brain developmenthttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15319466/
WHO KEEPS DOING THIS.
>>75476668Tiny orange. Very good calcium and vitamin C
>>75476545can i spread out my sets throughout the day instead of doing them all at once?
>>75477010Oh my bad, I forgot to change that back after y'all noticed it in the last thread. I just copied and pasted text from OP.
>>75477025Are there any sources of calcium and vitamin C that don't have sugar (carbs)?
>>75477010The Ketofag, he changed fat to diseased because he thinks fat is good. He change calories to carbohydrates because he thinks carbs bad and calories are a myth.
>>75477028I wondered that too, like if I do 3x10 in the morning and then by afternoon I com back and do 2x10 is that the same as doing 5x10?
>>75477033Like ANY? IDK maybe liver, so nothing tasty. Low? Broccoli both.
today I took a nappy nap before my workout since I got up early for workit did not help my gains but it was comfy and made hunger management absolutely ez modegonna snooze now, good night and WAGMI
>>75476717 >>75476751Yeah sounds good. I've been doing mostly animal based with some fermented pickles and sauerkraut every now and then aswell, also a little serving of barley like once a week. And some homemade kefir like ~400ml pretty much on the daily but maybe I should try some time without
>>75477033>calciumEgg shells>vitamin C that don't have sugarSauerkraut and meat, liver but probably mostly destroyed if cooked
>>75477033Calcium also in fish bones like sardines etc small fish are good
>>75477073Is he actually this crazy or does he just do it for attention?
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>>75477149It's the eternal question, same as asking if an AI is really thinking or just acting like it's thinking.In some very real, practical way, there is no meaningful difference.
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>>75477159Leading digit change, congrats
Ok, at this point I’m fucking retarded
>>75477167Thanks, it feels really really good
>>75477096Kefir is great and the lactose gets eaten by the microbes so it's actually low-carb. If you make homemade kefir you can ferment it a bit longer if you want it to be very low carb. I do a 48 hour ferment instead of 24 hour.
>>75477159Woooooooooooo
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>>75477149Anyone who would do all this for attention is crazy. "Multiple personality" bitchrs do not have THAT mental illness but they are very mentally ill
>>75477178I usually do 24 hour ish ferments and sometimes a longer 2nd ferment if I don't have it straight away. Using whole fat pasteurized but non-homogenized milk, the best I can get because sadly I can't get any raw here. But yeah I think it's ok or neutral the very least. Wonder what the actual carb content after fermenting is, originally it would be around 20 grams with the amount of milk I'm using.
>>75477221Yeah, people who post anonymously probably aren't seeking attention.The most likely explanation for someone posting weight loss advice in a weight loss thread is that they want to help people with their weight loss.
800 calories net consumed today. We grinding
>>75477270Net?
Goddamn I'm fucking cold all the time now this suckswhen I was fatter I could throw on a tshirt even in coldest months and be finenow I'm fucking freezing and it's not even freezing temp
>>75477324Some days it's like 70 degrees F and my ass is chilly with goose bumps. I'm just cold now but I like it. It's kinda sexy ya know? Not sweaty and fat.
>>75477324Are you doing CICO with carbs? That's just your metabolism shutting down.If you stop eating carbs your TDEE goes up so you won't be cold.
>>75477324At least you'll sleep better now
>>75477275yeah I ate something like 1400 but I exercised off 600
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>>75477438lol. lmao, even
>>75477438>counting exercise toward his maintenancengmi
>>75476545>Plateaus can last up to three weeks.anyone even know why this happens?outside water retention it defies explanation
>>75477359>>75476957>>75476889>>75476787>>75476551Every couple days I come back to this thread and Ketospammer is still posting the same shit over and over. He has done nothing but shitpost for a week straight.Apparently keto makes you autistic. Be careful bros
>>75477527i think it could easily be a vegan falseflag guy because they care more about animals than ketofags do about keto
>>75477525It's water retention. There are 3-4g of water for every gram of glycogen, so using glycogen as fuel leaves behind water. It builds up for a while, and then it just flushes out of your body. You can forcefully end a plateau with a prolonged fast, but that's usually farther than most people would prefer to go.
>>75477536cheers ye
>>75477525Because CICO is fake and gay.>>75477536This is even faker and gayer than CICO.
>>75477564u r vegan (nigger)or adhd dopamine fried tiktok zoomoid who dad doesn't love
>>75477525Because you're eating too much. Reduce the calorie intake.
>>75477527Hey man, don't lump my post in with his.
Fucking FINALLY>2+ months of watching calories & macros, hitting the gym 3-5x a week, and generally going for walks whenever possible>stuck at almost the exact same weight for most of it>knew something had to be fucky with my water retention>slightly decrease carbs and salt>suddenly pissing away literally 1-2lbs a DAY
>>75477659Nice. Let's see the full data.
I didn't eat the chocolate. This is a win.
>>75477149doing it just for attention for this long would be equally indicative of mental illness either way the dude should be locked up in an asylum and then humanely put down
>>75477692Why?
>>75477659>Can't reliably lose a single pound over two months of exercise and calorie restriction >Only breaks out of trend by depleting glycogen and dehydrating >This is a good thing Buddy, if you even manage to lose any weight through your current method, your metabolism is going to tank and you'll end up fatter than you were initially when you return to a normal diet.
>>75477747He said he reduced carbs.
does 180 calories sound about right for a 16oz cup of cappucino? I looked online but there is like 20 different estimates for it. Anyone know if that's right?
>>75477788It doesn't really matter. CICO is fake.Calorietard rule-of-thumb is to pick the highest number possible. CICO doesn't work so you have to fudge numbers like that to try and bruteforce it.
>>75476787>So do whatever 1) you want, 2) gets you the results you are after and 3) you can maintain long-term. Anyone that is an absolutist probably doesn’t give much of a shit about helping anyone. They mostly just want to push their dogma and argue.this is the last thing that needs to be said on the subject. unfortunately the ketotard is addicted to attention and will make 30% of the posts in this general until the end of time
>>75477807Pretending every diet is equal is like pretending men can be women.
Is there a law that says every general must have a schizo
>>75477794cope ketoid
>>75477815Nice false equivalence you got there bud
>>75477747>lower salt and carbs in your diet = starvation and dehydrationHuh?
>>75477838Food isn't nonbinary, tranny.Some food is fattening (carb, plant oils) other food is slimming (animal fat, protein).
My brother's wedding is in March. This is my goal physique for then. I'm 5'9" 211lbs. I'm losing about 1-2lbs per week
>>75477951
>>75477788Depends on how it's made. That sounds wrong though. An 8 floz cup of milk is 150kcal.
>>75477951>>75477968He's muscular. You'd better be lifting.
>>75477975I lift twice a week and calisthenics every day
>>75477968Also I want to try killing someone before the wedding like Dexter
>>75478004Worst case, do it *at* the wedding. There's always that one super obnoxious fellow that's fixing to ruin everything for everyone else.Harry would understand.
should i replace tuna and rice for lean chicken and broccoli?
FatToFit, Day 20Current Weight: 199.6lbsCalories Eaten: 1,450 (protein shake, yogurt, egg whites+eggs, chili, pork chop, stew with beef/potatoes/carrots/green beans)Protein Eaten: 131gExercise Today: push ups 3x27 + 1x19, 7mi run in 1:24:14, 58 sit ups in 2min, 1x5 chin upsStarting Weight: 211.8lbsHeight: 5'10"Goal: <15% bodyfatSo happy to be on the right side of 200lbs again, that was my first major goal and I didn't expect to reach it so soon. Run felt good too since I didn't run the past two days.Tomorrow I'll run 4mi (shooting for under 40min) and do 1x13 + 3x29 push ups. I'm trying to increase the number of push ups I do per set until I get to 3x33 then 2x50.Also I started taking creatine today, loading with 20gPrevious: >>75473168
>>75478106Replacing rice with broccoli is obviously a huge improvement.For fish eat salmon or mackerel. If you want meat eat beef. No need to eat lean. Low-fat diets don't work.
>>75477765>>75477916It's very clear what happened here if you know anything about physiology - he did not spontaneously start burning fat when he reduced salt and carbs. When you reduce your nutritional carbs, you begin to burn stored carbs in the form of glycogen. For each gram of glycogen there's an associated three to four grams of water. Coupled with a low salt diet, it means you have minimal water retention. His "weight loss" will taper off in the near future.
>>75478141thanks. i was thinking of having chicken and broccoli for my main meal of the day. then just having a can of tuna on it's own if i'm really hungry
>>75478119>sub 200lbsFucking making it. Nice one.
Suprises me how quickly food can add up. I didnt get up until midday yesterday and by 6pm id smashed down almost 2000cals. Eggs on toast, yogurt and granola and a roast chicken dinner.
>>75478252Thanks! So happy about it
Fat was a little high today, almost 80g. Carbs @ 156g and Protein @ 107. Usually like my fat at around 60g but hopefully it doesnt matter too much from time to time to nudge it a little higher.
Lost all motivation to work out today. I found this mole on my stomach and the skin around it has no pigmentation. So if I get a tan, I'm gonna hvae this big white spot with a mole in the middle of it which stands out. Fuck man. There goes my summer. I really was looking forward to having a nice body.
>>75478348Oh well, time to give up and be a loser forever because of a minor imperfection that nobody will ever notice or care about even if it didn't go away in a short time. Time to eat slop
>>75478360This was the reply I was hoping for. I've just ordered McDonald's. I'm gonna binge for the rest of the year. Thankyou anon.
>>75478377No problem, I love watching people fail. Make sure to drink some soda/alcohol as well!
>>75478119Most cringe larper in this entire general
>>75478400What do you think I'm larping about?
>Eat some food high in fiber>can't poop for daysFiber is a curse on this world
>>75478417Maybe you're just eating less
Day 5 of second water fast, just got a massive motivation boost. I have some lymphoma (aka fatty tumors) in my arms. It's a genetic thing, my grandma gets them too and we were both overweight. I was thinking about getting them surgically removed at some point since they're really noticeable at certain angles, but I was worried about the scars they would leave behind.Well I haven't really been looking at my arms much recently, but while showering just now, I realized that I didn't really feel them much while washing my arms. I started feeling around for them, and while I was able to find them (particularly the biggest one), it took me a pretty significant amount of time to do so. It's like they were smaller. So I did some googling and found this.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6088289/I had no idea this was a thing, this is fantastic, it's wonderful. I can lose these without surgery, no cost or scars. I normally don't recommend water fasting to people, but if you have these things anywhere on your body and want them gone, seriously consider it.
>>75478461Thanks for the info!
>>75478461Fasting has nothing to do with this, I'm also losing my fatty pouches without fasting. It's called losing weight and fat. Fucking fastard shill.
>another week >another kilogram lostI cant describe how whitepilling this feel is. Last time I tried losing weight I was constantly stalling. This time I'm at my lowest weight I've been since I let myself go and became fat. If all goes well and I adjust my deficit accordingly and keep up with my workouts im on track to be target weight this summer.WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT BROS. DON'T GIVE UP!
Went to bed hungry and woke up not hungry at all, starting to develop an irrational fear of sleep eating during a fast
>>75478586>Fatty pouchesThese are solid fat masses from enlarged lymph nodes. I've only noticed these start to disappear extremely recently, they were always visible in photos. I lost my hip fat 20 lbs ago, I'm sub-20 BMI right now, there's no way that these fatty tumors would have naturally disappeared at this low of a weight.After I'm done, I'm going to do the diet mentioned in the paper for up to 2 weeks so I'll be rid of these things forever.
>>75478417yeah but when you do finally take a shit.....dear lord is it the best shit youve ever taken. youll wipe your ass and therell be no shit on the paper. you wont believe your eyes.
>lost my love handles>now only have my belly fat to goim gonna make it bros. i am gonna MAKE IT.
>>75478595Wagmi
>>75478595based!
3rd day bingeing.It's too cold. I'm stressed. Don't want to cook. Too much left to go.Make it stop.
>>75478840anon you are the only one who can make it stopif you have a problem with wanting to cook, eat cold meals. Sandwiches are convenient vehicles for protein and veggies to fill you up. Or meal prep once a week and eat the resulting meals cold. Or freeze precooked healthy meals from the store and heat them up quickly. There's a million ways, and you know the one for you.No excuses - It all comes down to YOU. You cannot spell 'you're gonna make it' without YOU. You need to stop bingeing, or else weaponise your binges into OMAD. You need to establish the good habit first then stick to it - once it becomes second nature, willpower isnt an issue anymore.Remember, WAGMI, we're counting on you, and we believe in you
>>75478860>if you have a problem with wanting to cook, eat cold meals. Sandwiches are convenient vehicles for protein and veggies to fill you up.Thanks for the input, but bread is my nemesis. I had that exact thought, couple of slices a day, add hot soup to the diet, I can surely control myself this time I've changed so much in the last few months. Nope, ended up eating the whole loaf in one day, then went to the supermarket for biscuits because fuck it at this point.I'm not gone too far yet, I can reverse this, but fuck me, just fuck me.
>>75478875Then don't do bread. Try filling up on 0% fat dairy, or else resort to drastic measures (OMAD/memeto). There is an eating pattern for everyone, wagmi
>>75478840Weak mentality. Man up.
>>75478840You can do better in the future anon, i know it and you know it
>>75478875>>75478840>>75478875>>75478840>>75478875Idk where you live but you can diet on frozen foods too, you just gotta be smart about it, i rotate week in week out frozen foods/meal prep. heres an example>i have some chicken skewers with low calorie french fries, or some protein low calorie brand chicken fingers with rice, i eat just fine and feel full and i eat only 1500 calories a daytheres always options, but as other anons said, you seem like youre making excuses for yourself, you sound like youre lazy and reasoning yourself into staying a fat fuck. stop being a victim, get proactive, wake the fuck up and do something about it.
>>75478840I have a similar problem but I haven't binged yet. When its cold I just want something warm in my belly. A hearty soup or stew, something that sticks to your ribs, I've been craving it bad. I guess most people use coffee or tea for this but I never developed a caffeine addiction. I guess I could just boil water and sip at it.
Once I've finished with the beef mince in the fridge, which will be either tonight or tomorrow, my diet will consist solely of scrambled eggs and sausage and greek salad for the next month. I plan to walk a lot to help the weight loss, and I find if I don't eat salad at all while doing that the pain in my toe joints gets too bad.I won't, but I need to lose 40kg in 38 days by doing this.
>>75479022>more than 1kg a daynot happening. you wont even lose 250g a day.
>>75479026What part of "I won't" don't you understand?
>>75477927Lord forgive what i would and wouldn't do
>>75478348Are you... sure you don't have skin cancer?... take a close up picture of it.
ate 1500 calories today and it felt like fucking nothing and i'm sitting awake trying to ignore it
>>75478595Saved ty ty. But yes, GOD WILLING I will be fucking lean n' cut this summer. Finally. I can do it I know it. I thought about skipping my morning run, but then I remembered that fat bastard was talking in my thoughts again, and that once I push past the initial hurdle I like running, and i want to make it.>Dont you wanna be a sick cunt?YES. YES I DO.
I'm nearing my goal weight and since my next job starts in a couple of months I have shitloads of free time in the mornings.Just started lifting at home because I got some 15kg dumbells, can I do my weightlifting routine everyday?Outside of injury are there any risks or are the benefits just less than if you had a rest day in between?
it's okay and normal right, to go to the gym morning and nightI need to use treadmill for walking incline for 1 hours. I've already walking 30 minutes in morning session after weightlifting>inb4 go walking outsideit's rainy season right now and I hate muddy road
>>75479020Why not a soft herbal tea like sleepy time tea? I recommend specifically looking for passionflower, BUT BE WARNED too much will make you trip. Alternatively, I like using powdered broth and adding it to hot water to sip. I like orrington for flavor, but realistically you could even use something like a Japanese curry block and put a square in a big mug.
>>75479068based. i do the same, the other day i had a fleeting thought of having a pizza with the usually cope thoughts>oh its not so bad so what if i go a couple hundred calories over my deficit its fineeesquashed that shit right away. aint no stopping this fucking train. WE'RE GONNA BE SICK CUNTS!
>>75479022Why do you need to lose 40kg in 38 days?
>>75479108A chainsaw.
he's pointing at me
>>75479111Are you illiterate by any chance?
I hit my original weight loss goal, I'm pushing forward to a much lower weight. My body looks so strange now. Like I'm melting. My arms are trim and firm, my delts actually look dyel impressive, my collarbones FUCK. But my abdomen has that loose saggy elderly cat sag. My hips has weird skin love handles. My ass is now a square. Even my calves are pretty great, my quads are visible and not bad at all by dyel standards. I can definitely feel my abs, my abdominal flesh is like... very warm and soft pie dough that just goes an effortless 1.5" to a firm wall that's about the depth I expect for my abdominal wall. Fuuuuuck. I'm wanting to increase my actual lifts, be more consistent with it. My biggest focus has been cardio in the last 2 months, my 3mi run with walking breaks still averages 5MPH and I peak around 9MPH. I always run the full mile and take as short breaks as I can. I'm fucking trying mates. Why do I feel so close but so far away?
7,716 calories in a kilogramif you ate 0 calories for 38 days and fucking died you might lose 10-15 idk im not calculating that shit
>>75479086Calories btw
I heard some wild shit on the Huberman podcast about weight loss yesterday >For every 1 kilogram of weightloss your daily expenditure drops by 30 kcal >For every 1 kilogram of weightloss your hunger increases on average by around 100 kcal per day>Decreased expenditure and increased hunger for each kilo lost seems to be the reason why it's so hard for people to keep the weight offTimestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5KpIXjpzdY&t=3975sUnfortunately they don't really come up with any solutions. Other than the classic eat unprocessed foods and high protein.
>>75479147>>For every 1 kilogram of weightloss your hunger increases on average by around 100 kcal per daynot even close to true, ive lost 10kg this summer and if anything im hungry less and less.does this dude have data from studies to back all this shit up?
>>75479117damn all of my proportions are within spec except upper legs. the 1ft mark to 2ft mark is off for me my upper legs are short, and same for 3ft to 4ft mark. i guess thats where i lose the 3 inches and get knocked down to 5'9
>>75479154yes he literally talks about a studyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5KpIXjpzdY&t=4092s
>>75479147>>>For every 1 kilogram of weightloss your hunger increases on average by around 100 kcal per dayso if you weight 100 kg and you drop to 90 you will feel 1000 calories more? that sounds insanely retarded and untrue. who the fuck is this idiot?
>>75479164>Dr. Zachary Knight, Ph.D., a professor of physiology at the University of California
>>75479169hes a retard and his study is retarded, i was 130kg when i started im now at 102. i have not felt my hunger increase at all. the opposite actually, my apettite adapted to what i give it and im competely fine at my current low deficit of -1000 of my BMR.
>>75479147>For every 1 kilogram of weightloss your hunger increases on average by around 100 kcal per daythat would require context because that means a megafat that lost 100lbs now is actually unable to process anything around him as his body screams he is starving
>>75479175ok
>>75479108Church singles convention. Gotta find a wife. Want to look good for it.
>>75479182doctors with rare exceptions are fucking idiots that just parrot whatever their books tell them and whatever their peer reviewed studies tell them. HINT: peer fucking reviewed. the whole scientific field for the most part is in a circle jerk where no real breakthroughs or advancement of knowledge can be made anymore. there are outliers but for the most part its all people going in debt to go to school for 10 years to parrot what a book told them.
>>75479182>they gave people diabetes meds and averaged out how much more they ate in a studyWOW THANKS FOR MAKING ME WATCH THAT COCKSCUKER THAT WAS FUCKING GREAT. I AM SO GLAD THAT THIS OTHER COCKSUCKER GOT HIS CATCHY GAY REDDIT FACTOID AND THIS CURLY HEEB FUCK IS REPEATING IT LIKE ITS SOME VALUABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU FUCK
>>75479204maybe you should take some meds
>>75479207NIGGER
>cut from 107kg to 89kg>Nice I'm 17-20% bodyfat>Rebulk get strong AF>94kg>Damn I'm 20-23% bf. Time to cut.>Cut to 88kg.>No visible difference.>Cut to 83kg.>Workouts now feel like torture.>No visible difference.I'm going to fucking kill myself.I haven't made any meaningful strength gains in a year. Relatively I'm stronger but Raw numbers I'm still mostly the same and for nothing. The only difference is my arms are tiny now.Fuck it we ball
>>75479147So my daily expenditure dropped by 750 calories in 5 months and my hunger increased by 2500 caloriesSounds like bullshit
>>75479147>For every 1 kilogram of weightloss your hunger increases on average by around 100 kcal per dayThat's the most retarded thing I heard in these threads and we have the Keto schizo with us, as well as some random dry fasting schizos who post for a week before they fucking die.I'm 23 kg down and I'm not feeling any hungrier.It's "an anecdote" technically but it's an anecdote on the level of>uh, I see the wall and I can touch the wall, maybe there's the wall?Only clueless idiots who never ever lost any serious amount of weight can claim retarded things like that.It's>the human eye can't see above 24 fps!all over again.
>>75479230its about drugs to control appetite so that's where the angle is on it
how do you combat the demoralization?
>start working out>still fat>start calling anons "fatass" instead of "retard" at random on 4chanfeels good man
>>75479306Depends on where you are seeing it
>>75479332within
>>75479349Oh, I'm not sure then. I just kinda do what I know needs to be done. Like I have a work out schedule, and at least half the time I don't want to go to the gym. I just get in my car anyway and start driving to it, cussing and grumbling the whole way. Then once I'm there, well fuck, might as well go in and workout, right? So I do. Motivation for anything has always been fleeting for me. If I really actually want something, I just have to grind it out, no matter how much my inner monologue bitches about it. I just don't have any advice on how to make it shut up.Diet at least is easier for me. If I don't buy it, I can't eat it. And I can eat essentially the same meals for months on end without ever getting tired of them, so meal prepping is easy.
>>75478316Higher fat foods are slimming. Pic related.How did you get the impression that you should reduce your fat intake?
>>75479147That only happens if you eat carbs and restrict calories.The solution is to eat low-carb unlimited calorie. Pic related.
>>75477927They should make fake breasts this way wtf
This place is such a huge fucking distraction. I should be studying right now. I'm a NEET, but that doesn't give me the excuse to be an unproductive sack of shit, to be "the wastemaker" as it were. And yet, coming here is like an addiction unto itself. Maybe it's because this is the only social interaction I get; Maybe I'm just addicted to trolling and or deliberately taking bait so that others can continue trolling. Maybe I'm pathetic. Maybe it's maybelline. All I know is that this place is a huge time sink and coming here is a detriment to self unless you can pull yourself away long enough to get shit done. You ever feel that way, anon?
>>75479538Shut up faggot
Got back from vacation, did gain a few lbs back over the week and half.But I’m fairly confident that I will be around my last fatty weigh in, this weekend.
>6'1, consistently 65 lbs overweight for the past 10 yearsHow much loose skin should I expect to see if I lose the 65 lbs over the course of around a year?
>>75479725Lots, so much you'll never look human again.
>>75479725Has any of the fat folded over? If not, you may get away with none or very little. I'm 6'3" and was fat for ~7 years, lost 90 lbs and essentially no loose skin
>>75479734Did you have any stretch marks, anon?
>>75479889a couple dark ones near each armpit and a bunch of small light ones all around my hips, not bothered by any of them.
>>75479902I'm just trying to guess if I'll get the loose skin because I have some stretch marks around my gut.I'm just about that tall and need to loose about that much weight counting down from my highest.
>>75479725age is going to be the biggest factor here. you're not planet-sized, and losing ~5 pounds a month at your height is very gradual. if you're under 30 years old you will probably avoid any loose skin. if you're older than that it can be a crapshoot. if you do some strength training and build muscle you can mitigate the skin issue to some extent.
new low today. long way to go, but feeling human again. have a great day everyone
>>7547991765 lbs to drop at 6'1" seems like you should be ok.That was me in June 2022 at 35 years old on the left and then yesterday on the right at 37, nearly 38.I really think the folded over fat is where people start to run into visible loose skin. At least in my case, although I was obese nothing had really folded yet, and no real loose skin. There's probably some on my abdomen, based on how it feels and moves, but its not enough to make a visual impact.
>>75479950Yeah, I see now what you mean.I do have a visible gut, so I guess I should expect at least some of it.I hope it'll be manageable with lifting at least.
>136kg>fasting 16:8>no processed food>no red meat>no sugar>60 minute elliptical every other dayMainly using elliptical machine because it keeps my back straight and thigh chafing. Already lost 5 kg. Doctor told me my blood pressure is looking normal. All I have to do is keep it up for the next six to eight months.
>>75479972I'm in the same boat. Don't let it demoralize you. The benefits of losing the weight and being fit outweigh the negatives by a lot. Plus most chicks wont mind a bit of loose skin as long as you aren't a douchebag.
>>75480029>no red meatNgmi
>>75480041b-but it was the doctor's orders
>>75480048Your doctor told you to fast and not eat red meat? He's retarded.
>>75479917I know that it can make you feel better to have that certainty. But honestly, there's really just no way of knowing for absolute certain until you start losing weight and seeing for yourself if your stomach just kind of shrinks, or if it starts deflating.I do have an absolute shitload of loose skin. But i've been fat my entire life to some degree. I'm also different because I underwent to process that you absolutely haven't undergone called full term pregnancy, twice. Both times I gained way more weight than I should have and I kept the weight on for much longer than I should have and I didn't heed warnings about skin care, because I thought that it was a bunch of hocus pocus hippie nonsense. Despite being 25 I have a shit ton of loose skin, not just on my belly, but also on my inner thighs and I have old lady bingo wings. Even with all of the loose skin, I'm still very, very, very happy with my weight loss and I still have a lot more to go. There's still a lot of fat attached to my loose skin that I need to get rid of and it just doesn't bother me really anymore. No one can see that loose skin unless I'm wearing A tank top for my arms or I guess if I'm wearing really short shorts for whatever reason that said, it still doesn't bother me either way, because it's unbecoming for a woman to be dressed so improperly in public. Who the fuck cares if I have that loose skin? If you're married, it's still not a big concern. My husband is much happier to have a little bit of loose skin as opposed to an enormously fat bitch.
>>75479075Yeah I sometimes do that in the winter. It’s dark and cold out, why wouldn’t you use the treadmill you’re paying for as much as you want
>>75480048Ignore the ketoschizo, he's been shitting threads up againKeep making progress
>>75480058>anyone who eats red meat is ketoschizo
>>75480058Thanks for the heads up. Should've figured a general would have a local schizo
Is there any fasting app that will let me daisy chain fasts together? (Ex: 47 hours fasting, 1 hour eatkng, 23 hours fasting, 1 hour eating, and so on...)
95lbs lost since March320 to 225
>>75480198You actually lost fat off the back of your head
>>75480029>no red meatRIP
>>75480048>doctor's ordersHow many mRNA injections are you on by now? 6? 8?
>>75480198Oh shit you're alive? Nice work, how much more to go?
>>75480078Yes. Any post that upsets vegans is "ketoschizo". If you don't eat seed oils you're also "ketoschizo".
>>75480202I didn’t even notice that kekWhat really pisses me off is for some reason I deleted a lot of my really early weigh in pictures and the earliest one I have is this 299.6 one. Are there archives for /fat/ that go back to March of this year? I’ve never really looked at the archives so I wouldn’t know
>>75480227>Yes. Any post that upsets vegans is "ketoschizo". If you don't eat seed oils you're also "ketoschizo".What if i only eat meat and only fry it in seed oils?
>>75480225If I had to guess maybe about 50 more lbs but I’m gonna mostly be eyeballing it
>>75480235https://desuarchive.org/fit/Just find the /fat/ thread and start following the previous thread links. It'll go back that far.
I regret being too insecure to take any pictures or records of my weight at my worst. My gut is noticeably slimmer but I can't tell by how much.
>>75480236Eating meat upsets vegans, therefore you're ketoschizo.
>>75480245Or just search his tripcode since he is tripfagging.https://desuarchive.org/fit/search/tripcode/cttK%2FxbPtiP/
>>75480198Based as fuck. Great work brother
>coworkers are starting to comment on me being thinner>clothes are getting too big>when I look down at my body, it looks the sameI think I fell for the body dysmorphia meme bros.
>>75480304Me too dude
>>75480245Shit I’ll be clicking for hours, plus I can’t even remember if I was posting here yet>>75480299Too bad I’ve only been using that for like a month or 2
>get a bad cold>fall off because it's easier to just eat slop cause it's fast and convenient>two days after getting better>stomach flu>complete clean out and can only hold down water with some electrolytesDamn. It do be like that.
>>75480198Hell yeah, titties are next
>>75476799It’s crazy to think the last time I saw him active here I was 80 pounds heavier
>>75480383I fucking hope
>>75480078Anyone who thinks you absolutely cannot go without red meat and that you should ignore doctor's orders despite successfully losing weight is the ketoschizo. Like I'm fasting right now and losing weight fast, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone because there are healthier ways to go about it.
>>75479147>Unfortunately they don't really come up with any solutionsjust keep watching goy
Right, so today's tally up:Big ass leg day2053 calories179 grams of proteinTDEE (Sedentary): Around 2600TDEE (3 days a week workout calculation (which i do)): 3300We are absolutely on track boys
>>75480681>TDEE (3 days a week workout calculation (which i do)): 3300ngmi
>>75480681>eating more protein because you have high body fatyour muscles arent big, they dont need that much proteinyou really should lose a lot more weight before you start lifting, too
i want to start a week long fast, starting from ~82kg, hoping to reach 76kg at the end. what should i keep in mind? do i have to drink snake juice? can i go to the gym or am i gonna fucking faint doing curls...
>>75480681Calorie calculations are about as reliable as scrying the future from bones or cards. If you want to get accurate caloric burn readings you need to do so in a lab, there are too many variables for you to trust anything you get from an app or device.
>>75480732If you're fasting longer than 48h, yes, you should supplement elecetrolytes. So yeah, go make some snake juice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1onQ0nxgWFM
According to the laws of thermodynamics, "plateaus" shouldn't happen. And yet they happen, and are very common too.Nobody actually can explain why, they just say "just keep going it'll break through eventually".
>>75480685What do you mean? I'm way below my sedentary TDEE not even counting doing legwork for an hour and a half (even though I do know lifting burns a pretty neglible amount of calories)>>75480703Are you trying to convince people to eat LESS protein? you gotta be fucking kidding me>>75480741Okay so what the fuck are we doing in here then just abandon the sticky? What do you want me to do
>>75480732No don't drink "snake juice". It's completely retarded will make you have diarrhea and upset stomach. It also imbalances your electrolytes it doesn't fix them.
>>75480752It's easily understood when you know CICO is false. Pic related.
>Finally push past plateau>Only drop 0.2lbsYOU LIED TO KE IT WAS ALL SUPPOSED TO COME OFF WHY AM I STARVING MYSELF AND FASTING I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS FOR 2 YEARS AAAAAAAAAAAAAASCALE.NOT.GOING.DOWN.
>>75480758>Are you trying to convince people to eat LESS protein? you gotta be fucking kidding mego ahead and keep eating that much since you know everything, actually eat more
>>75480758Eat less fatty
>>75480758>i, the balding loser incel, know more than the researchersOkay incel
>>75480771>understoodBut all of that is false, retarded, and contradicts all studies done on the topic.If a single study finds some retarded results that are never replicated since it just means that the study had retarded methodology.
Speaking of protein, these things are great. Kinda expensive at like $5 a bottle but only 230 calories for a big amount of protein. The vanilla one is really good too
>>75480758>Okay so what the fuck are we doing in here then just abandon the sticky? What do you want me to doHe's saying that estimates for how many calories you burned from exercise are wildly inaccurate, and almost always to the high side. Which is true. So you shouldn't use them as a basis to eat more.
>>75480774I am trying to absolutely cram as much protein into my calorie budget as possible, it has the highest satiety of all the macros AND a thermic effect of 30%, which means it's energy costly to digest>>75480779I am>>75480785Huh?>>75480791Sure, I am aiming for 2k which is below the sedentary one (2600). Do you want me to use the coma one? I think it's like 2400
>>75480785meant to reply to >>75480771
>>75480774>go ahead and keep eating that much since you know everythingNTA but you gnome retards should REALLY stop expecting man-sized people to eat the same as you do.
>>75480798Nah sedentary is fine
>>75480758TDEE being bullshit has been my personal experience as well. There's gotta be a reason why so many people claim to have different metabolism and I don't think the answer is "hurr you forgot to count the cooking oil in your calorie intake!!".There's a lot of new research coming out that suggests calorie burning from exercise is extremely exaggerated too.Basically the only thing to rely on is the scale. If you're losing weight, keep going, if not then try to change something. Calorie counting is still useful so you have an average intake to go off of.
>>75480807youre right, he should eat as much protein as he can
>>75480819I sort of agree, metabolism is probably way more fucking complicated than just CICO and a generalized math formulaBut then you also have random shit like this happen all the time >>75480752You eat the same amount of calories consistently, and suddenly, out of nowhere you just break your plateau
>>75480787There are many converging lines of evidence proving CICO is false. For example protein overfeeding studies (pic related).Meanwhile there is not a shred of evidence suggesting CICO is true. It's just pseudoscientific trickery where they say>the body isn't violating the laws of physics>therefore the calorie measurement must be causativeBut measurements can't be causative. They're just measurements. Measurements don't exist. It's lunacy that people fell for this trick but I guess people who will pretend men are women will fall for anything.
>>75480807Alright yeah my calories and macros would kill some of you giants sure, bit nobody needs +2000 on a cut.
>>75480828>Meanwhile there is not a shred of evidence suggesting CICO is trueOnly a couple of orders of magnitude more studies that all agree on it being true.How curious.
>>75480833Studies will make any claim that they are paid to make.If you look at any study claiming to support CICO/"energy balance" you will see they use exactly the trick I just explained. It's pseudoscience.
>>75480832>nobody needs +2000 on a cutYou do realize that with sedentary TDEE of 2600 his BMR is above 2000?He's on a deficit before literally ANY energy expenditure.
>>75480843>Studies will make any claim that they are paid to make.Yes, such as "CICO is a lie".
>>75480832>nobody needs +2000 on a cut.if we are carrying a ring to mordor i am picking you for the job my friend
>>75480846Sure you could pay for a study to say that. I am not aware of any. As you said yourself multitudinous studies exist which are paid for by the sugar industry and are designed to suggest that CICO is true. The sugar industry has an obvious financial interest in convincing people that no particular food is fattening.So obviously appeals to authority are nonsense. Rational people who think about and look at the evidence will conclude it is utterly fraudulent.I already shared sufficient proof that CICO is false with you but here is some more.
>>75480845>>75480852
>>75480843>Studies will make any claim that they are paid to make.Lmao Yeah I'm sure they are all in on it. The entire scientific community is all laughing at you ahaha. Fucking schizo conspiracy
Dear diary,I still feel like a bag of old dog poop after donating a bit of plasma on Monday, and I have feel too weak to work out, which sucks. So:- I'm going back to maintenance, at 2,100 glorious daily calories (6'1", 185lbs). I had been thinking about doing that and just recomping at that weight level anyway.- I'm probably not going back to the plasma farm. Sucks, I had hoped to do at least 4 plasma donations, but whatever. I don't trust the way they hold on to my blood for 30 minutes and add chemicals to it before flushing it back in. Made my lungs feel funny too.- I still want to do one full blood donation before going back on finasteride. Probably next week.- I'm wondering about upgrading my 3x/week full body workout into a 4x or 5x/week workout of some sort so all those extra calories are encouraged to go somewhere useful. Will research what to do this week.
>>75480890How many mRNA injections are you on?
>>75480881>>75480883Anon, basically, you are clueless and retarded.Or maybe you're just a trollI'm not going to even bother opening these ones, as you clearly didn't even read the study you posted in >>75480828 which literally confirms that sustaining an equal calorie surplus over the equal amount of time results in equal gain of fat regardless of the diet being consumed.Congrats on BTFOing yourself with your own post and exposing yourself as a retarded clown.
>>75480917>exposing yourself as a retarded clownHe does that every day, and yes he is a troll. Been around for years.
>>75480883Sorry, this one wasn't for you >>75480917From the thumbnail it looked like another study being misrepresented by the keto schizo.You should gain some inches, though.
>>75480917I'm sorry but I suspect you don't speak English as well as I do.The study says this:>consuming a hypercaloric high protein diet does not result in an increase in body fat. Hypercaloric means they added excess calories.The reason excess calories don't cause gain in body fat is because CICO is false. There's no way to weasel your way around it.
How many nights a week can I eat a 4 ounce strip?It fits my macros but I hear bad things about red meat. I never had much luck cooking chicken that tastes as good as chicken I get at restaurants, but I'm good at steaks so I find myself eating that more.
>>75480936You should eat as much red meat as possible.
>>75480917You included me listing TDEE that show a fat/borderline obese man of 5'10 and 6'0 not needing 2000 calories. Im just talking about nobody losing weight NEEDING 2000 calories. Not any type of diet.
>>75480936Eat as much as you want, but keep it as raw as possible.That looks way overcooked.
>>75480929Just because authors say it's hypercaloric doesn't mean it is. You posted this shit in the other thread you are spamming too.>resistance trained individuals>high protein group eats mean 2,835 calories/day>trains hard>didn't gain fat>shockedpikachuface.jpg>follow up study>resistance-trained individuals>High protein group eats mean 2,614 calories/day>trains hard>didn't gain fat>shockedpikachuface.jpg2,600-2,800 is not a surplus for most men (the vast majority of study participants) who train worth a shit. The authors didn't even attempt to measure their TDEE or RMR.
>>75480943It was a bit much yeah, I try to keep a dark crust and medium rare center. Might get a sous ville
>>75480951Their weight was stable. They added calories. They did NOT add exercise. They didn't gain body fat.QED; CICO is false.
>>75480954Yeah still looks good though.I usually do 2 minutes each side on high heat and keep most of the middle super rare, but that's just my taste. With good beef you can't go wrong with it.
>>75480954>sous videDon't cook in plastic.The best steaks are deep fried.
>>75480938>nobody losing weight NEEDING 2000 caloriesManlets, when will they learn?
>>75480936https://whatsthejam.com/super-viral/cant-afford-wagyu-steak-tiktok-chef-reveals-how-to-make-it-yourself-and-the-hack-will-blow-your-mind/?amp=1Do this, but with chicken. It’s so fucking good.If you really refuse to eat onions, use amino acids.
>>75480967Damn you really didn't read the study lol. It wasn't stable. The high protein group in the first study added a mean 1.7 kg of body weight: +1.9 kg mean fat free mass, -0.2 kg mean fat mass.They also consumed a mean 226 grams of carbs per day, and in your mind that should have made them balloon the fuck up.The authors also didn't have any data on what their weight was doing prior to the beginning of the study. They just measured the starting point. For all we know they were fucking losing weight prior to that. In fact, they probably were.
So we can talk about carbs or no carbs low fat or high fat, but please don't advise anyone to cut down on their protein for god's sake. Protein is unironically the only universally agreed on macro. It's hugely satiating, it build muscle, it has a 25-30% thermic effect which means a third of its calories is literally burnt in digesting it. It's pretty much everything a tubby boy needs, and all the experts and litterature agree that upping protein consumption is beneficial.
>>75481044>Protein is unironically the only universally agreed on macro.Vegans are actually anti-protein.The best protein source is animals.
>>75481044I don't think anyone here has advised cutting down protein.
>>75481058I don't think vegans are anti-protein. I do think they heavily underestimate the importance of protein. But who's a fat vegan anyways
>>75481002You clearly are not English literate.>there were no significant changes over time or between groups for body weight, fat mass, fat free mass, or percent body fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24834017/
>>75481058>Explore the truth with Dr>Doctor>TruthNope. Don't need some oldfag academic to read 'studies' (which are paid for by big food) for me. I'll trust what my parents, grandparents, their grandparents ate. And I'll trust what successful people who lived long lives ate. Never trust a doctor. If you were healthy they'd be out of a job.
>>75481071Respected vegan guru Dr Milton Mills, to give one example.
>>75481079>>75481079>>75481079New thread
>>75480936One of the macros you could pay attention to is your saturated fat intake.Going overboard on fatty red meat could result in elevated LDL on your next blood panel.Which in itself could be an aggravating factor for plaque in your arteries. Or it might be nothing.Still, everything else being equal, it's statistically safer to keep a low LDL, which means you're probably better off choosing lean bits of red meat, or other kind of lean meats.
>>75476750Carbs are either starches or sugars. Potatoes and rice are both starchy. I think the difference is potatoes and rice are better is because they have like water and fiber that makes them more filling.
>>75481085lol. lmao, even
>>75481091Most proper bread has WAY more fiber per 100g than those. White rice has the least fiber - I'm honestly not sure how rice got such a stellar reputation, it's really not justified. It's not BAD but it's basically the same as pasta which fit-heads avoid like the plague.If satiety matters to you potatoes are absolutely the most busted fucking carb source and it's not even close. Americans got tricked into thinking the only way to eat them is frying with 5 gallons of oil though.
>>75480974Could you use lard instead of seed oils?
>>75481345Yes. Ideally tallow.
>>75480732You need daily electrolyte supplements.>Sodium: 2300 mg>Chloride: 2300 mg>Calcium: 1000 mg>Potassium: 3400 mg>Magnesium: 400-420 mg>Phosphate: 700 mg>Bicarbonate: don't really worry about thisMagnesium and calcium haven't been a problem for me, but my potassium comes in 100 mg capsules and there's no way I can take 34 a day, so I do 3-5 and things have been generally fine. I pour some salt in my hand and lick it up for sodium chloride, and I also just got some pink Himalayan salt which has some magnesium and calcium while also being not as overkill on the tongue like regular salt is. I completely forgot phosphate but I'm doing fine so far. Also stay hydrated, probably best to try to aim for 3.7 L of water a day optimally. You won't HAVE to, but it might make the experience better and reduce your desire to eat.When beginning refeed, do it for about 1/4 of the time you fasted. For example, 1 week = 168 hours > 42 hours. But I may have been eating chicken, mashed potatoes, and baked beans less than 24 hours after, though I cut it very small to make it easier to digest. Drink some bone broth (tastes like ass frankly), eat soft-boiled eggs, and also steamed green vegetables. Be careful about loading up on carbs since your body will want to replenish its glycogen.>>75480763I wish I had diarrhea, shitting would make my weight drop even faster.
>>75480788I bought entire packs of these (haven't tried the Elite though), they have such a good calorie/protein ratio, especially since 1 g of protein = 4 calories. That bottle of yours is 240 calories and 168 of those calories are pure protein (72 goes to everything else). The regular was 26 g of protein and the calorie count was 170 (66 extra calories).They also taste pretty good.
>>75480975OH MY GOD GUYS!!!!111!1 TO EXIST AS A FAT MAN I NEEEEEEED TO EAT 4 MEALS A DAY! IM STILL LOSING WEIGHT SO ITS OK!!1! ILL STARVE TO DEATH EATING LESS!!1!1! YOURE TOO SHORT TO UNDERSTAND11!1
>>75480788Do they actually taste good? That's basically the same ratio as a whey shake and they usually don't taste the best. Currently I'm liking the Grenade RTD's which are 190-200cal for 25g protein, and they legit taste like a milkshake.
>>75481538>>75481441 hereWhen I started drinking them, I was at least 4 months into diet and exercise. My taste buds had definitely changed since then, I appreciated subtle flavors a lot more. I used to buy the B-Fit drinks with 34 g of protein (136 calories), and they were 300 calories. I remember them being thicker, but I also always described them as tasting like the color grey. They had a very ashy, thin flavor. Still, when I was starving after not eating all day at work with no food and two gym visits, they tasted like heaven.I eventually switched over to the Core Power ones after seeing them and they tasted way better and had a significantly better ratio. They were also less thick in consistency. I can't vouch for the Elite ones, and actual milkshakes are of course going to taste better, but I wouldn't call them bad at all.
I love watching ketoschizo having meltdowns. This is all very entertaining
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