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12-15% bodyfat for a male is peak aesthetic and peak performance.
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>>75481448
The conventional wisdom is all wrong about sex though. Men can look better at slightly higher bf because it makes arms/chest/shoulders bigger and isn't that bad for the stomach. (Visible abs are overrated by men.)

They say women should be like 20% but they must be fat lady physiologists because 12% looks twice as good.
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>>75481499
Fatcel cope
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>>75481499
Women like the Apollo's belt, they call it the V. Body fat% for women also doesn't really go to 12%, 15% is the lowest it should reasonably go.
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>>75481510
>conventional wisdom
No shit, I'm disagreeing with it.
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>>75481499
Women just have higher body fat.
For a woman,12% bf is extraordinarily lean.
For a man, I'd say the aesthetic and performance peak is closer to 12%, possibly even a tiny bit below.
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>>75481536
Lean looks good when muscle doesn't make you attractive (Women).

For athletic male performance 12% is good, but for aesthetics in most cases I really thin 15 is better. If in a a shirt, 100% of the time.
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>>75481587
For me it's the face gains when you go below 15%.
Your face leans out giving you that chiselled look.
Below 10% the face often looks a little too severe.
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>>75481599
Depends on the face, and the beholder. I got lucky with genetics and my lean mires were more "ooh he's cute" but muscular and much fatter are like "jesus christ slay my puss".
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>>75481677
Post face
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>>75481448
20% is ideal for men and women. Skinny and lean people look like aids or cancer patients. It’s disgusting.
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>>75481690
gigachad with slightly fuller cheeks



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