I'm not sure if Destiny is still working out, but I remember seeing clips of him debating fitness or doing squats/DLs years ago,Shouldn't he look better than pic related after years of training, even if just half-assed and inconsistently?Manual laborers aren't measuring RiR, drop-setting, counting macros, or other crap and their arms don't look like milky corn dogs.
Jesus Christ. Get out of here with this gay retard.
>>75569672This is him from a year ago, before I guess he lost weight?He just looks skinny-fat with bitch tits instead of pecs.I'm honestly not mocking him, but it's remarkable how poor his genetics must be.
>>75569672was he working hard?
No. Some people are non-tryers. It's possible to go to the gym and half ass it, not push yourself, and make no gains. If you're a manual laborer lifting hay bales or digging ditches or something that's not really an option. The hay bale has to get lifted or the ditch has to be dug.
He not retaining, having gay sex with Nick Fuentes every day, losing vital nutrients and electrolytes
>>75569672Whi the fuck cares what this dysgenic cuck does?
>>75569672He's on video sucking dick
>>75569672He's a voluntary cuck
>>75569686Seriously, he literally sucks dick, who gives a fuck
Yes, it's scientifically proven that a small percentage of men and women don't gain strength or muscle from resistance training, sometimes to a great degree.The people who don't agree are just coping, they want their own gains to be 100% their hard work and they just can't cope with teh fact that genetics is a big factor in muscle and strength gains.
>>75569688Onions guys like destiny never take lifting seriously. To them "working out hard" is basically just getting their heart rate up with no plan, if they diet they just add some vegetables and completely ignore calories and macros.
>>75569672>non-responderspseudo-science cope for lazy faggots
there is no way ill find it, but there was a video years and years ago on his channel that included a section where he talked about his testosterone and he had insanely low T and chronically so. he was recommended to start TRT but didn't for whatever reason at the time. he really does look like he should just hop on it. guy is an ultra degenerate druggie hedonist anyway so i dont know what he has to fear from taking TRT.
>>75569672Nick's body. Destiny's choice. Forever
>>75569778>>75569782do you know what google is? you could easily google this question instead of being an ignorant moron for the rest of your life. Your choice though.
>>75569700if you watch videos of him he trains like a retard. he was obsessed with for like he was an advanced lifter but deadlifted like 50-60kg or something lmao. hes much too concerned about muh hecking science instead of just fucking trying harder than a mouse in the gym
>>75569672Destiny is a classic example on an overthinker. He’s always asking his chat to critique his form and resetting the weight for any minor flaw plus he tries to design his own programs based off mike isratel videos. He prioritizes theorizing about the gym more than actually going to the gym.
110%This is what I looked Iike at 19 eating nothing but garbage and never touched a weightMeanwhile dudes like destiny been lifting for years and look like shitObviously outliers exist but yup of course if there are genetic beasts like me the opposite must also existI look slightly fatter now bc I’m 25 but it takes minimal effort for me to get and remain lean
>>75569903I refuse to believe your story. No way.
>>75569945it's bullshit, this is the body of someone who at least does calisthneticsprobably some blackpiller who gets off on making people give up, you don't look like that laying around eating junk food even if you're 1000 Test levels
>>75569672>even if just half-assed and inconsistentlyyou might as well ask if you can still get a good amount of money at the end of the month if you sort of only work for once a week
>>75569672i mean if you spend your entire childhood and teenage years not exercising you can easily end up liek destiny where it would take roiding your ass off to even look like an adult man
>>75569903You have to be the smelliest, most retarded pajeet imaginable to think for even a moment anyone would believe this.
>>75570074>he thinks you need to workout to look like thisRetard-kun..
>>75569672Destiny is a complete coiner, why do you trust anything he says? He just didn’t put in enough work. As for your question in an hypothetical way, I don’t think so - surely people respond differently due to genetics like muscle mass, insertions, etc, but they will never “not respond” to resistance training, unless there is a specific condition/syndrome that prevents them.
destiny probably does lift it's just he's a manlet framelet so yeah obviously gonna look kinda shit no matter whatalso his diet is mostly uber eats and slop, so take his words with grains of salt
>>75569672Destiny streams and plays video games all day. I wouldn't be surprised if he's low T.
>>75570125What are you talking about? manlets put on muscle faster than lanklets and look better overall (not to girls, just as a still frame). There’s a reason mr Olympia has consistently gone down in height over the years, shorter people develop a wider frame that is seen as more aesthetic.If anything, that would be an advantage that destiny had and not a disadvantage.
>>75570173I mean he literally sucks men dick so yeah, low testosterone is not just from videogames.
>>75569784enuchs live linyger anyways so he probably doesn't care
>>75569903Nice try
>>75569688How could you not mock this cuntEverything I hear makes him sound extremely pathetic
>>75569784he's afraid he might become right-wing AND a heterosexual.
>>75569672crusty dusty blew off his gymbro on stream in 2013 to lose more zvz games and that's when I checked out
>>75570202>>75570098
>>75570200>>75570179shut the fuck up he made 30m this year. wears the chillest clothes and fucks hot men AND women while you rot worrying about muh 1/2/3/4 i know who i'd rather be
>>75570350I would rather be broke than suck a single cock
>>75569672I've never in my life seen someone consistently and intelligently workout for 2+ years and not look at least decent
>>75570640>workoutThis faggot's idea of a workout is 3x10 reps of sucking fick and 4x8 reps of taking it up the ass. No wonder he hasn't made any gains.
>>75569700There are people who actually have genetic defects that make holding muscle extremely difficult.But I don't believe Destiny falls into that category based on how he moves and what muscle he currently has on his frame.
>>75569688>>75569672>>75569693>>75569672>>75569693Half assed workouts, no consistent schedule, and poor diet are all major contributors.
>>75569903You larpers are so sad
>>75569700I work in manual labor and people will do anything to not work. Luckily we can bully the fuck out of them until they quit or get in line.
>>75570893>>75570332
>>75569672>>75569688you were saying, newfag?
>>75570915That’s his brother, fate
>>75570914>blah blah blahneck yourself, larperhttps://desuarchive.org/fit/search/image/TLA_3Wmw6lo2inLArx4xSA/
>>75570626and yet you do both
>>75570626I mean you can make money off pimping a guy out to gay old men
>>75569788>nooo you must google my faggot ecelebhe is right, one look at him and you know he is incapable of any gains whatsoever. the biochemistry to give him some gains might be there, but the body obeys the brain and the brain has terminal faggotitus
>>75570350>fucks womenKek, his wife married him cucked him then divorced himMeanwhile Destiny is blowing middle aged men.
>>75570917lmao
>>75570919kek why do browncels do this(larp)?
>>75569903Yea, no
>>75569672he i one of those guys that reads a ton and never works out properly. i doubt he is a non responder. additionally he fell for the mike israetel meme
>>75569672Him and Nick Fuentes should do a gym training arc togetherWe need the polar extremes of politics to be jacked and physically powerfulThen we can have a rematch Internet bloodsports debate about the most autistic topics imaginable immediately followed by a brvtal cage fight till K.O.Only way to settle thingsMexican Catholic nationalist vs Cuban Omni liberal
there is a gene or a group of genes for strength potential. it comes up in DNA tests.
>>75569672Unless you have some sort of medical condition, this is not a thing, not really. You might have an abnormally high disposition for a certain type of muscle fiber, but even then you're not a "low responder" it just means you need to use a different type of training.
>>75569672Whats with you chuds making these threads. We all know you probably look a lot worse than he does, and literally why do you even care how some other man looks. Are you gay or something?
>>75569796>programs based off mike isratel videos>>75571429>fell for the mike israetel memeDestiny is too lazy to actually do high-volume, high-frequency training, both of which Israetel pushes.It's the same reason he gravitated to Starting Strength and why he initially started and failed to make gains using a calisthenics program (which always require high volume/frequency).I wouldn't be surprised if he theorycrafted off of some of Dr. Mike's vids, but I doubt he ever actually put any of it into effect.
>>75571745These guys are idiots and will believe what tehy want to believe to make themselves feel better. They could easily google this and find out but they don't want to.
>>75569672there is no non-responders, I thought so, turns out I need to work harder and east more protein
>>75571745Where did you take the test?
>>75572114Yes, we agree.
>>75569693nowhen he was married he would go to the gym with his wife and he would do nothing but dead liftstarted at 0 muscle/strength, and then did nothing but deadlift for like 3 years but because he started at 0 he always did low weights and never really gained any muscle.his lifts did go up over time but he didnt really get stronger or more in shape.and then post divorce i dont think he goes at all anymore.
>>75569672>Manual laborers aren't measuringManual laborers get regular exercise.
>>75569672yes, there are non-responders to resistance training. low-responders are way more common though, and you can be a non-responder to one type of training (e.g. low reps) and a low/average responder to another type of training (e.g. high reps),just one look at his body makes it clear that Destiny is a low-responder. but he also doesn't put in any consistent work/diet. and low-effort + low-responder = no gains.
>>75569903yes and nobody needs substantial work nor protein to look like a professional bodybuilder in fact vegan female natural bodybuilders are on par with mr olympia winners so yes everything you just said checks outunironically post body with timestamp>he cant prove that in fact does not do any work and eats like garbageI suggest a rope and a wobbly stool
>>75571745>paying to send your DNA to the feds for horoscope tier results
Destiny when trump sics Tyrone on him.
i hate this faggot cuck lmao
>>75569672>non-respondersNo such thing. Any man who is relatively young (ie 30s), does not have some sort of hormonal condition, and trains + eats adequately WILL see results. Hell, even women will. Destiny is just not training properly.
It just looks like he lost weight and didn't lift a single weight for a year. He's healthier I guess but skinny fat
>>75573624Source: Trust me bro.
>>75569672No. "Non-responders" don't eat enough protein. Period.
>>75573470Is this actually him? Is he a midget? Why is his head like 2/3 the size of his torso?
>>75569672I can guarantee this faggot never lifted anything heavier than a 15lb dumbell a couple of times.
>>75569688He looks like he's never touched a weight in his entire life.That's after YEARS on Starting Strength.
>>75573824what a gigamogger
>>75573500>>75570919>>75570914Cry more, not my fault you’re genetically inferior :>)
>>75569903This buries the gymcel
>>75573693I've never come across a soul who has lifted for a year regularly and looked that bad. Even old folks can develop some definition. He lost weight but isn't doing any strength training
>>75569903what a chad
>>75573854Can you explain me?Here’s me. I used to be 210. (I’m 5’11) I’ve been lifting, walking dieting since 2021I look like complete shitIn the nearly 3 years the only notable difference is slightly less flabHere’s my current routine since I’ve been demotivated recently:>ppl 4x a week>no sloppa >I don’t eat fast food or soda period>1800 cals a day (5’11, 169lbs last time k checked)And yet I look like utter shit. Look at that hips and girly bodyI’m not a blackpiller, I’m not a doomer I’m just genuinely puzzled when you guys make these claims when guys like me existAnd before you ask, no I haven’t been tested for low t or anything because I don’t see the point because I’d never get on TRT or juiceAgain, this body is nearly three years doing physical activityMy brothers mog me into the stratosphere and do not even liftSo … how can you deny we exist?
>>75570917Kek
I think some people dont understand what they're capable of.I didn't try squatting more than 1 pl until i was past 30. I'd always just done 1 pl for general fitness, and wasn't ever trying to get ripped but to be not fat.
>>75569672This "guy" is such a weakling, it makes his head look oversized like a cartoon
>>75570350LMAO you must be one of those guys that thinks money is everything and if he needs to suck a few dicks then it’s no big deal.Don’t worry. you will grow up one day.Destinys life is a joke - Reminder that his wife left him for a legit kid with nothing. She chose poverty over having to spend more time with him. That’s how shit he is.
>>75569672Yes, they are called women
>>75573902>Clearly has hormone imbalance>"no i won't get my obvious hormone imbalance checked"Based.
>>75574066Most people do not push hard at the gym. I get amused seeing people reading books or watching tv series on the gym floor. Modern life has been an escape from discomfort.
>>75574412I have a hormone imbalance? B-but I thought Mon responders don’t exist and anyone can just make gains?According to you I should be jacked, no?
>>75574475>hormonal imbalance is the same as a non responderWhat a fucking retard.
>>75569672He's nothing more than a methed up dork with severe tweaker jaw. He didn't train shit.
>>75569672Sure. People with some neuromuscular diseases are. As for the general population, no.
From what I’ve seen in recent studies on the subject, scientists are challenging the idea that there are complete non-responders. Instead, they suggest that some individuals respond to all types of training (the high responders), while those initially labeled as non-responders simply don’t respond to certain types of training but would eventually respond if the training were adjusted. I believe there have been studies showing that with a specific training type X, you might find a sample of non-responders, but this sample changes completely when switching to training type Y. Essentially, people are never non-responders to all types of training studied.There’s also the question of duration: some don’t respond at the beginning (while others, the high responders, show quick and significant results), but they eventually respond if the experiment lasts long enough. That said, in any case, if a low responder only responds to specific types of training, they remain at a disadvantage compared to a high responder who responds to everything. This means they might struggle more to find the training type that suits them. However, it does align better with the intuitive idea that weightlifting is beneficial for everyone.[1/2]
I’ve come across several comments about a supposed link between homosexuality and low testosterone. However, recent studies are clear: circulating testosterone levels in homosexual men are not significantly different from those in heterosexual men. People are confusing this with the prenatal testosterone surge that masculinizes the brain. Its absence has been suggested to explain homosexuality, but this has nothing to do with adult testosterone levels.As a gay man myself, I’ve been progressing normally in weight training. Initially, I thought I was a low responder because I started lifting at 23 with no athletic background and struggled to figure out how to train properly (especially when others online were claiming incredible progress in less than a year). But now that I’ve worked on my exercise form and protein intake, I’m progressing normally.I think many people fail to progress because they’re doing things wrong—sometimes knowingly, sometimes without realizing it. It’s often hard to take a step back and evaluate yourself, especially when fitness isn’t your thing to begin with and what’s second nature for others isn’t intuitive for you at all.[2/2]
>>75569672i think he stopped working out after his wife left him
>>75575047It's been known for ages in the lifting community that some lifters respond better to high volume, and some to high intensity. To make an analogy, it would be like comparing sprinting to a marathon - both increase your cardiovascular output (muscle mass, in this case) but in different ways. Probably has to do with the amount and type of muscle fibers genetically present in the body.>>75575049Homosexuality comes from pedophilia. Men who are exclusively homosexual are more often than not the victims of childhood sexual abuse from older male predators, which, much like the intergenerational cycle of domestic abuse manifests itself as a psychological tendency to re-enact the scenario over and over again in a vain attempt to gain control over the trauma.
>>75569672>>75569688There are people who exercise and people who "exercise"
>>75572134It tells me what's shit about my genetics too. it's not all good things.
>>75573584wtf man
>>75569672there are low responders but not non-responders
>>75573902That’s not you, but that guy should be bulking not cutting. Skinnyfats will never look good without a muscular base. They are chasing gains that do not exist.
>>75569672>enjoys getting cucked >enjoys sucking dick Why are lefties like this?
I'm a non-responder to training. Was in the army, worked out for years with dumbbells but never was able to lift my own weight or do a pushup. Had a healthy diet tooNot everyone can lift
>>75569672>Don't sleep>Eat like shit>Drink alcohol >Decide to get fit>Listen to some roided out retard and train sets of 15 >Not to failure cuz "something something, makes his shoulders leak synthol">Don't wanna leak, ya know>Make absolutely no gains doing 10kgx15 everything once a week>Still eating like shit but adding heavy metal addled protein powder sooo it HAS to work now>Make no gains >Claim your body is somehow inherently different from literally every other body >Never change >Never improve
>>75575957>Claim your body is somehow inherently different from literally every other bodyIt's probably true. We have people dying of all kinds of genetic shit but you can't believe that some people can't build extra muscle? I'm one of them and it's real
>>75575985Your body wouldn't not respond to hypertrophic stimulus if you have a normal amount of muscle necessary to do things like stand up, walk around and maybe even run or climb stairs, aka living a normal life.If you have straight muscular dystrophy then you would fucking know because you wouldn't be able to do all of those things, you'd be disabledThere's no such thing as a "non-responder" to hypertrophic exercise who doesn't have a serious, debilitating and disabling medical condition.Your body doesn't know the fucking difference between "normal" and "extra" muscle, before you start. If you gained 50 lbs, your calves would grow from walking around normally. That would then be a "normal" amount of muscle. So no - your hypothesis sounds like a bullshit low IQ excuse because you don't know how to train, how to diet, how to recover, or any combination of those three.
>>75576010>So no - your hypothesis sounds like a bullshit low IQ excuse because you don't know how to train, how to diet, how to recover, or any combination of those three.So you're saying the sticky was wrong
>>75576017The sticky doesn't tell you how to lift. You can do 3 sets of 8-12 high bar squats and get absolutely nothing out of it because your form is shit, your depth is shit, your loads are shit, your stretch is shit, etc.You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.If you combine that with no sleep, a terrible diet with not enough protein/too few calories, and other unhealthy habits like alcohol consumption I could totally see a scenario where you make such little progress you think you're a "non-responder". But such a thing does not exist, given that you are not seriously medically impaired.
>>75576126Well anon, you're pretty convinced so you've changed my mind for now and I'm gonna give it a another shot. If I want to be safe about form and loads should I just do calisthenics?
>>75576211And to be clear I don't drink, I don't do goyslop or anything. Even though I saw no progress on my strength department I did lose quite a lot of weight.
>>75576211>>75576236If you are genuinely so unathletic that you have no idea how to lift properly then yes you should definitely start with calisthenics. Do pushups, do pull-ups, and try to walk/run/climb stairs etcYou have to build up your proprioception first. Feel out your musculature, feel your muscles working, pulling, pushing, whatever. Then you can start lifting with equipment when you know for example, when your muscles are stretched, when they're feeling tension, etc.Strength doesn't matter. If you're fat, lose weight first to a normal (between 10% and 20% body fat, wherever you're comfortable maintaining) and start being more active.You can do it. Like I said, if you aren't disabled, terminally ill or a cripple you will respond to training given that you do it right. Hell even some cripples are capable of amazing things. Never underestimate your potential, that's the #1 gainz killer.
>>75576274Thanks a lot for your long posts anon. I'm honestly here because I want to give an example to my mother who should start doing weights so she won't be a cripple by the time she reaches her 70s.
>>75569672>Are some people "non-responders" to resistance training?Based on Genetics, yes.See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioeeTmGJBisI know, it's long, almost one hour, but he goes into details about the Genetics of Race and Genetics of Lifting Weights.
>>75573847>genetically superiorwell show us your timestamp then we go from there
>>75575064>Homosexuality comes from pedophiliaWhere does this idea stem from? Seems to be a very resisting stereotype, although current research doesn't believe that
>>75575957Theres nothing wrong with sets of 15 on certain exercises, but imo you really need to build a base of strength off of sets of 5-8 for 6-12 months first to actually be able to do sets of 15 with enough weight to elicit stimulus. I like to change my rep rangss up every 4-6 months personally. Get strong on low reps for a while, use the new strength to grow using high reps, use the bigger muscles to get even stronger at low reps and repeat.
>>75575957>>Listen to some roided out retard and train sets of 15There's no chance he's doing sets of 15, let alone to failure.Way too lazy.The only program I know for a fact he's done is SS, and his results speak volumes.
>>75569784>>75570249I remember Alexander Jahans actually got diagnosed by a doctor with some genetic condition and was recommended testosterone and refused it specifically because he read a bunch of /pol/ and unironically believed it would turn him into some kind of neo nazi Trump cultist. He also cut onions out of his diet and ate a ton of soi lmao. Anyway he did eventually start TRT and he's still a leftist shithead.
>>75573470>>75569672What is this phenotype called, bros?
>>75569672>>75569688I have the same body as destiny and I can confirm that working out doesn't do anythingI think the problem is both me and him wasted our youth sitting behind a PC and have atrophied muscles. I'm in my 30s but when I post a pic of my hands online people think I'm either a girl or an underaged femboyThe most consistent I've been was a full year of gym 3-4 times a week 1 hour plus, I've tried bulks to put on mass and cuts to get lean to make muscle show. Nothing helpsIt is merely the result of being a terminally online suicidal outcast in your youth. By the time I've gotten my mental in check to have the bare minimum required motivation to try being alive, it's already too late to take advantage of it. You just can't win if you're dealt bad cards at birth
>>75578115untermensch
>>75578139no its genetics foo
The bug fucked his gay ass.
>>75575915>that’s not youProof? This photo has never been posted here till nowYou fags simply can’t accept genetic dead ends exist
>>75573902What are your lifts like are you doing compounds and trying to progress? Congratulations on losing the weight. What's your protein intake like? Sleep? Stress? Also, ppl is 6 days. Maybe just do upper lower.There are poor-responders. I'm not doubting that.
>>75576635Current "research" has also not yielded any results on homosexuality being genetic, which makes sense as a gene impairing the desire to reproduce to that extent would have no realistic way to spread itself. That, and the drastic increase in homosexuality rates seen in younger generations clearly hints at it not being genetic but rather social in origin.It's also clearly evident from current research that human sexuality is incredibly fluid and malleable - male paraphilias have almost an unlimited amount of directions they can develop in. Homosexuality is not special in this regard, it's the exact same as a foot fetish, furries, necrophilia, etc. It is simply a deviation from normal heterosexual attraction, which is normal and healthy because of its teleo-biological function.We consider it as special simply because humans come in two flavours, male or female, giving us two options for sexual partners, but in reality considering things that way is ignorant. There is heterosexuality, aka normally developed socio-sexual desire, and then there is everything else.We know for a fact that the majority of paraphilias in men come from socio-sexual developmental issues stemming from childhood experiences - young men exposed to pornography at a young age tend to develop paraphilias. Homosexuality is no exception in this regard. We also know the classic Greek homosexual relations (pederast and catamite) were pedophilic in nature, hinting at the source of its unnatural transmission: it is a social virus that can only spread through infection of vulnerable young targets.
I'm a low responder to high intensity at least:>5 sets to task failure per muscle per week>strength going up almost as fast as SS>trained so hard I got RSI in both arms after 18 months>still almost no visible muscle growthI'm gonna try switching to low intensity but I'm not happy about it because it seems very boring
>>75569672>Manual laborers aren't measuring RiR, drop-setting, counting macros, or other crap and their arms don't look like milky corn dogs.They also don't do powershitting. Coincidence?
>>75575931>Was in the army>never was able to lift my own weight or do a pushuppajeet army?
>>75578260I'm sure it plays a part yeah. I do have godlike shoulder genetics. Before I ever picked up a weight in my life people sometimes thought I worked out solely because of how broad my shouldersHowever with retarded little girl twig arms it looks awful which is why I started working out in the first place, I wanted my arms to match my torso, alas it wasn't meant to be
>>75579028Protein intake and weight gain?Sleep?How many reps per set?
>>75569672hes a meth head
>>75579835>Protein intake and weight gain? 150-200gI was 70 kg in mid September after a cut, now 73.5 including water>Sleep? Average 7 hours but has always been difficult for me>How many reps per set?8-15
>>75574066People are just retards. Look at the endless amount of gormless mongs that ask if their routine is good and it's just a list of lifts with no context or planning.The ONLY thing that matters in a routine is the progression scheme. You can pick the least optimal exercises and rep ranges possible and still come out better than most people if you're consistently increasing in volume or intensity.
>>75580128Except that people consistently disagree with each other on which routine to pick and apply. You won't find ANY routine that reaches consensus. WHATEVER routine you post, you will always find someone saying it is excruciating.
>>75579336>However with retarded little girl twig arms it looks awful which is why I started working out in the first place, I wanted my arms to match my torso, alas it wasn't meant to beWhat exercises did you actually do?
>>75579987you're surprised you're not seeing a difference after gaining just 3 kg?
>>75581727Well I started 18 months ago at 77 kg, went down to 70, then back up to 73. I gained strength the entire time and lost a lot of fat (probably went from nearly 30% bf to <15%) so yeah I was expecting some visible muscleI would say my delts and thighs grew noticeably (all my shirts are now tight in the shoulders) but my chest and arms are lagging and I still feel like overall it's not a lot of growth for 18 months.
>>75581813>went from 30% bf to <15%>delts and thighs grew noticeably>but my chest and arms are laggingjust do some more chest and arm work.>I still feel like overall it's not a lot of growth for 18 monthsdropping 15% bf and gaining delt/thigh muscle is pretty good. just keep at it and increase work on muscles that are lagging for you.
>>75569672He's too busy blowing half erect dick
>>75569672Destiny door dashes Starbucks hot cocoa; he does not exercise.
>>75569775I've seen studies where some participants even lost muscle during the resistance training protocol. like the workout damages their muscles, breaks it down and it doesn't rebuild bigger, so they end up losing muscle. their body protein synthesis/breakdown balance was negative.then there is of course the other studies where they lowered men's test levels and they lost muscle in proportion to the testosterone loss.it's basically like the study where they gave megadoses of testosterone to guys and the ones who sat on the couch doing nothing gained muscle. but in reverse. it holds true as well.
>>75570915>manifest destiny
>>75578955I saw this in my recommendations but didn't click. does friedland make fun of him? does the gay stuff get mentioned?
>>755781391 hour plus in the gym as a beginner is fucking around or endurance training. also having soft hands is genetic. you can have skinny, weak hands due to lifestyle but they won't look like "underaged femboy" hands unless you're genetically cursed. normal weak man hands don't look underage or feminine.>>75578115left: skinnyfat, looking very unhealthy, needs to fix his nutritionright: untrained but otherwise healthy look>>75575957I believe this because of>not to failuredicksucktiny seems like the exact type of person to just arbitrary stop a set because he reached a magic number of "reps" KWAB>>75577567why do you think he isn't counting to 15 before abandoning each set? makes perfect sense to me as a theory for no growth. you think he sticks to lower rep range because he believes in SS?
>>75569672Why are you posting a literal deranged faggot here and using him as an example of a non responder? He only works out his jaw muscles.
I always thought I was a "non-responder" but never heard the term or knew that anyone else thought it was a real thing until I saw this thread. Maybe I'm just low t. Doesn't really matter, because the phenomenon is this: I get 8 hours of sleep a night, I consume about 100g of protein a day, I weigh 150 lbs, i lift weights 3 to 4 times a week and have done so for about 7 months, i eat at a caloric surplus (I'm getting heavier, but it's just fat), and I'm not getting stronger. Set aside the fact that my body looks like shit and is looking worse. The real metric of interest is this: are you able to lift more weight? The answer is no. Meanwhile my fat slob co worker who comes to the gym with me once or zero times a week does five sets of bench press only, is my height, sleeps about 4 hours a night, eats plenty of protein but mostly in goyslop form, is 60 pounds heavier than me, and bench presses about 30% more weight than I can and seems to be able to lift more and more each time. The short hand comparison is I do on average 400 combined reps a week, he does 25, I sleep twice as much as he does, we both eat an adequate amount of protein and calories for our weights (I eat much more healthfully in general as I actually eat vegetables etc), and yet he is stronger than me and continues to get stronger while I am only gaining fat. And let me drive the point home by sharing some of the weights I actually can lift. I struggle to do 5x5 at 145 lbs on the bench press. I struggle to do 5x5 at 160 lbs on squat. I struggle to do 5x5 bodyweight pullups. These are woman numbers, and in some cases less than your average woman. How could a 33 year old adult male be at this level for multiple months straight? You, the average anon, would have gotten stronger with my exact routine. You, the average anon, would have gotten stronger with even a slightly worse routine. It just doesn't add up.
>>75584545eat more protein retard
>>75569672No you never started lifting feels good to know how to put on muscle
>>75584545Dude add hypertrophy to a bench program then do legs when your shits so fucked you can't lift upper body hard from pain and fear of injury and find tecunique that gives you a pump like seriously
>>75584545post routine.and do you actually get close to failure on your sets?
>>75576688>Theres nothing wrong with sets of 15 on certain exercises, but imo you really need to build a base of strength off of sets of 5-8 for 6-12 months first to actually be able to do sets of 15 with enough weight to elicit stimulus.you have no clue what you are talking about
>>75577567He lost weight while doing SS which means he didn't actually do the program >>75576688Intermediates can benefit from higher reps but noobs should exclusively train sets of 5ish until they're intermediate by symmetric strength standards
>>75578139>The most consistent I've been was a full year of gym 3-4 times a week 1 hour plus, I've tried bulks to put on mass and cuts to get lean to make muscle show. Nothing helpsThere's your problem. Depending on where you're starting from, it will take longer than that. If you're fat or skinnyfat, lose weight first while working out. Once you're skinny, start adding muscle. Track everything you eat, focus on whole foods and a lot of protein. Do cardio and be patient.>started in my late 20's>Skinnyfat>The worst diet on earth, pizza, ice cream, fast food and cereal. Skipping entire days of eating>Bipolar, autistic, extremely suicidal >Hate myself, start working out>Don't know what to do, so start running and doing pushups/situps>Learn that diet is more important >Stop eating sugar>Learn to cook my own meals>Learn to track my calories>Get gym membership, develop a schedule >Hate it, but hate myself more>Start lifting 6 days a week>Continue for years>Start getting mires compliments >Finally notice changes after 2 years of lifting>Still depressed and suicidal You're likely not special enough to be a non-responder. The more likely answer was that you did it wrong. It's not going to fix all of your problems and it won't even help some of them, but it's definitely possible to change your body. It's never too late.
>>75581813How tired are you after each workout? You might be lacking intensity. You should leave the gym most days exhausted with a decent pump. Each exercise should be taken close to failure, it should be uncomfortable and strenuous. Some tips for anyone in the thread that might have stalled:>Increase the weight you're lifting>Add a drop set at the end of each exercise per muscle group>Slow your reps down Each rep should take at least 3-7 seconds. Yes it's boring, yes it's hard, but it will stimulate more muscle growth.
>>75584545Post diet
>>75584650>How tired are you after each workout? You might be lacking intensity. You should leave the gym most days exhausted with a decent pump. Each exercise should be taken close to failure, it should be uncomfortable and strenuous. I'm usually not feeling drained but the muscles I worked will be like jelly. I aim to have 0-1 reps in reserve, like I don't actually fail a rep usually but I stop when I'm pretty sure I'd fail the next rep. I increase the weight whenever I can. I do rest-pause so first set will be 8-15 reps then I do 30% of the reps for four more sets.I prefer short workouts (30-60 mins) where I destroy a small number of muscles rather than my whole body, otherwise I feel miserable the rest of the day. Currently my split is chest/biceps, shoulders/biceps, and back/legs (I do back and legs at the gym where there's more equipment, and the others at home with DBs, because the weather's miserable and I walk to the gym).>Each rep should take at least 3-7 secondsI usually explode up and take 1-2 seconds down, I'll try slowing the concentric anyway.
>>75579987>>Protein intake and weight gain?>150-200gCalling bullshit. You never ate that much protein unless you weighed it out and logged it. Fags like you never take the next step and actually log your macros like an autist because if you did you would realize you're not eating enough. >>75579987>Average 7 hours but has always been difficult for meFFS, I'm done. Your problems are obvious to everyone except you.
>>75584545> Claims non responder> Eats a paltry 100g of protein > Most likely not logging or weighing it out> So realistically only 60g a day of thatNon responders are just lazy fags who never weigh or log their food.
>>75584856>Fags like you never take the next step and actually log your macros like an autist because if you did you would realize you're not eating enough. pic>FFS, I'm done. Your problems are obvious to everyone except you.I have an actual sleep disorder and I need melatonin just to average 7h. I also take magnesium. I can't do better than this.
>>75584874I don't track every day any more but I eat basically the same with just a different meal prep meal each week
>>75584768don't slow the concentric, that would make it easier. 3 seconds per rep sounds good. 7 seconds is insane. I doubt anon ever measured that number, it sounds like a ballpark figure and people are really, really bad at short durations like anything in the single-digit seconds.
>>75584874>>75584883You posted this and yet you still don't see the problem. One day you eat 130g another day you eat 197g.You also don't mention what your maintenance calories are which is also the crux of your problem: you aren't eating enough. What this tells me is that you aren't consistent and you also mentioned you don't log your macros everyday.You're lying to yourself about what you eat, just like a fatty who says he can't lose weight. > Muh sleep disorderLet me guess, you play Vidya too.
>>75584545Your diet, routine, and sleep suck. Go get a trainer and tell him you want to bulk. See if he'll get you a meal plan too and follow it to a T. Hell get factor meals or hello fresh so you know exactly what your macros since you're too lazy to weigh out ingredients.
>>75584768>I usually explode up and take 1-2 seconds down, I'll try slowing the concentric anyway.That's a really good way of lifting. How's the range of motion?>>75584874>>75584883You need more protein. And more overall calories. I'm 155lbs and for my lean bulk I'm eating 2850cal with 240g of protein. I'm being very conservative because I don't want to gain too much fat, but I could easily up my calories to 3100 and gain more muscle (and fat). If your metabolism is fast or you have a physically demanding job, you could be burning more calories than average for your height, weight and age. I would aim for 3000cal daily with 220g of protein. Do that for a month and see if you get stronger.>>755849297 is pretty crazy, but I think my coach told me that it was the highest end of hypertrophy before diminished returns. I never really looked into it, so it might be total shit. I'll usually only slow it down to that pace for the last few reps of a drop set. But I agree that most people are bad at estimating time. I'll try to count during planks and measure against a stop watch, and usually find I am off by a few seconds after 10 or so.
>>75584957A trainer could help too. Having someone critique your workout technique can be a game changer. A solid meal plan could also help. It might be pricey, but once you know where your shortcomings are you can just improve on your own
>>75584943>One day you eat 130g another day you eat 197g. Oh no!>You also don't mention what your maintenance calories are which is also the crux of your problem: you aren't eating enough. I already told you I gained weight you retard: 70 to 73.5 kg in about 3 months. That's about 1 kg/month if you can't divide.KYS pseud.>>75584979I already said I was getting stronger. WTF would I do with 240g of protein? That would be 3.4 grams per kg. That is fucking ridiculous when the usual recommendation is 1.6 g/kg.Why do you fucking jeets come on this board and give this advice? Post body, both of you. I know you won't. I hate these cocky brown people who post on /fit/ so much. I can smell you through my screen.
>>75584987When I first started I had a trainer for my cut and then my bulk. For my cut I was in college and eating shit. Proceed to lose a ton of weight, bad a chiselled face but no abs. Smashed tons of puss . For the bulk had a different trainer and gave me a great routine. Actually ate above maintenance and protein at .y goal weight of 250g. Became stupid strong and hit 300 on my squats and deadlifts. 205lbs on my bench. Then I got a job that had me traveling and consistency went to shit. Regardless, this isn't rocket science and every non responder is just deluded and lazy about what it takes to build muscle and lose fat.
>>75585019Inconsistent and deluded DYELer manlet can't be ässed to do the hard work or take tough advice.Enjoy looking like shit and shitting on others who are telling you exactly what's wrong.
>>75585035>body status: unpostedStick to the QTDDTOT next time Ranjit
>>75569688>>75570915>Ironpill before vs after
if you find yourself, caring about or paying attention to e-celebs or internet drama, I would highly recommend getting your T levels checked as soon as possible
>>75569672Depends how tall he is. If he's >6foot and has long limbs it can be hard enough to fill them out if you start working out past your prime. Invariably of course all these childish commentator trolls are manlets furiously compensating so yeah it's a good point.
>>75584929I meant slow the eccentric>>75585035134g for 73 kg is 1.8 g/kg btwSo even at my minimum I exceed the recommendationBut Shiteesh wants to call me an "inconsistent manlet" for being honest while he is so insecure that he comes on /fit/ to pose as a knowitall bodybuilder despite that he will NEVER post bodyI hate you literal shitposters so much, you ruined this site
>>75585042>>75585103>>75585019>Post body, both of youI'm cutting but since you want to see the body of a man here ya go: 165lbs 15% body fat. Going for 12% BF for a trip in Jan.Now post yours.
>>75585019Others have pointed out holes in your routine. You're not as consistent as you think and there is room for improvement. Take the advice or don't, I don't care.Not everyone has the same genetics, but "non-responder" is insanely rare. I'm a skinny dude, the most I've ever weighed was 165lbs. No matter what I do, I'm not going to hit 200lbs with 10% bf (natty) and that's fine. It's about making the most of what you have and not making excuses for your shortcomings. /fit/ is going to laugh at any physique that is posted, but I'm happy with mine and have made tons of improvements since I started and that's all that matters to me. Quit seething and go make a meal
>>75585117B4 anyone shits on you. You look good anon. Cutting during the holidays is rough. Godspeed
>>75585156Thanks anon. What's frustrating is we probably all have the same hard gainer physiques. I used to have that same, "muh hard gainer" attitude until a jacked guy kicked me in my ass and told me what I was doing wrong. I started doing it and maintained consistency and all of a sudden I started slapping on muscle. It's not hard and the fact that the manlet DYELer muh hard gainer hasn't returned is telling.
>>75584628>He lost weight while doing SSHe GAINED weight, purposefully, during his bluehair turbocuck phase while still doing some variant of SS, and what you see know is the post-bulk cut.Probably he did build his glutes, hammies, and quads somewhat, and maybe his spinal erectors, but overall he looks like he gained zero muscle.
Pretty happy with my physique after getting over the “hardgainer” hump. Protip: legitimate hardgainers are actually rare, unless you’re an indian, in which case your genes are potentially dysgenic for building muscle. Anyways, the reason why “hardgainers” are the way they are is simply because they don’t eat or sleep enough. Or they aren’t consistent with their training. Or they’re just little bitches. Or all of the above. Either way, it’s not rocket science. Once I realized these things years ago, that’s when I actually started making muscular gains. OP, take accountability you faggot. Stop being a defeatist bitch
>>75578955there is no way anyone in human history has watched this much of an episode of tafs lol
>>75585352>OP, take accountability you faggot. Stop being a defeatist bitchI made this thread b/c I'm a little older than Destiny and only started /fit/ing three years ago after a sedentary lifetime (even being briefly obese), and though I have meh genetics, I've made (IMO) good progress, just doing weighted calisthenics with dumbbell isolation along with running.I honestly can't understand how he's made no visible progress in almost a decade.Shouldn't he have *some* tricep & pec from all that benching?
They don't train hardThey don't eat correctly They don't rest correctly
>>75585117I already told you I wasn't satisfied with my progress so what good would posting my body do? At any rate I would not be bragging and giving advice if I looked like you. You're 2 kg heavier and similar bf to me so clearly you haven't got significantly more muscle. I will proceed to ignore your retarded "eat 250g of protein bro" advice.
Anon you have to train harder so you can look like me
>>75569672funny how this nigga use to do "natty or not" and he look like this
>>75587046also he's unironically a onions propagandist
>>75570915I can still see the QoS tattoo on his back
i actually have consistently worked out and applied athletic science to construct a routine to follow. was slamming 3.5k/cal a day of some kind of white fish or bird, a vegetable portion such as roasted broccoli or cauliflower, and a grain like quinoa generally but pretty much ate whatever as long as it wasn't junk food and came in quantity and I could write down the calories and other nutritional values (like protein). i really liked peanut butter and banana sandwiches as a pre activity snack. also was taking consistently measured protein powder (was running ~1g*weight in kg) via preworkout shake. was shooting for ~2.0g (at least 1.6g)*weight in kg daily combined. more than that and no amount of fiber could make me shit. i was doing two a days. made sure to get good sleep and my schedule was consistent b/c uni. i did it to play a club contact sport i wanted to play but not die as a ~140lb 6'2 tall fuck. most i ever made it to was 168 but generally hovered around 155. maintained it for about a year and half before i just got sick of eating so much fucking food and not actually getting bigger anymore, just slightly stronger and heavier. i literally would not be able to eat more food than that without vomiting. i also generally have energy to spare and feel good at any of those weights in that range (though I'm noticably stronger at the higher weights obviously). my actual physical appearance also never noticably changed. my thighs were a bit larger, maybe. no known medical issues and my cardio is bangin. i don't really give a shit or WANT to get big, i just wrote this blogpost as a long way to say are people like me really that rare? seems kinda crazy.destiny clearly a lazy fuck though look at that sad sack lmao.
>>75569672Biology is complex thing, even if you have high level of T or roid, if you don't have the receptors for it then it's the same as if you have none.I couldn't get shredded, in my teens no matter what I did.Then after getting into my 30s I decided to go back to fitness, and started doing some LISS and basic SL 5x5.And I got better body then I was in my teens.So I'd say it's very complex and multicaftorial subject.If you're "non-reponder" then find what you respond to, no one is born fat.
>>75569688he can suck a mean cock though so it evens out
>>75569672Talking with so called “non responders” >what do your lifts look like? I do 4 sets of 10 >how often do you fail? Fail? I never fail, I always succeed in the gym
>>75573854>I've never come across a soul who has lifted for a year regularly and looked that badPeople claim to lift but have no clue what they are doing and eat like shit
>>75569672This dude thinks he becomes an expert in anything just from reading about it for 10 minutes.
>>75586885> Still seethesYou'll never be big with that attitude pussy
>>75588138>pointing out shit advice is an "attitude"What a wimpy reaction
Destiny dosent lift consistently, its not a lifestyle that suits him thats it, its not for everyone
