>nukes trash hormone DHT>increases real Chad hormone T>makes skin look better>no acne, sebum filled follicles>keeps slaphead curse away>high efficacy, safe for almost all male populationcan we all agree that Finasteride is one of the greatest achievement in pharmacy?Merck should got a Nobel for it's discovery
>>75571538If you want monk mode without temptations of the flesh, go for it!>DHT, though derived from testosterone, is a more potent androgen. It plays a significant role in developing and maintaining male sexual characteristics.>DHT is believed to contribute to libido (sexual desire) and erectile function by influencing androgen receptors in tissues involved in sexual activity, such as the brain and genitalia.
>propecia>side effects includeChlorine dioxide still best. No side effects.
>>75571538With how much this gets shilled here I'm starting to think someone is insecure in their use of FinasterideI have never met a Finasteride user in real life who felt like justifying his hormone altering drug use incessantly. It's deranged behaviourAnd I say that as someone who would hop on Fin the second I knew the Norwood Reaper was coming for my ass
>>75571538parrot kevin mann more faggot. break your boner for nothing.
>>75571566>>75571621I’ve been taking fin for almost 5 years: libido remains high, I’ve never been stronger or more masculine, and I have hair still. So-called “post-finasteride syndrome” is really just lazy, out-of-shape guys looking to blame their ED on something other than their slovenly lifestyles, so they can absolve themselves of any responsibility to fix things. Same fucking boat as all the ozempic fatties.
>>75571640"companies would not rape me for profit." said soft breedable man
no matter how many times you repeat it, it will not become true tranny, DHT is the most important male hormone
>>75571538>no acne, sebum filled folliclesThis is incorrect, finasteride won't do that BUT dutasteride will
>>75571584kys
>>75571538out of the way, niggers and fintrannies
>>75571619It's 8th most popular drug in the world. It's quite natyral that it's being discussed on here. And it's different people posting. And I'm not the OP
>>75571566>It plays a significant role in developing and maintaining male sexual characteristicsstop fear mongering. if you are low on T then yes you will feel decrease in DHT, but decrease in DHT also means increase of T. DHT is useless after puberty.
>>75571538No.t. takes Masterone and Primo
>>75571538buy an ad
>>75571640post finasteride syndrome is when you stop taking fin and the sides stay indefinitlyhaving sides from fin is pretty common, i took it for 4 years and had numb orgasm from prostate shrinkage and low libido, took 4 months for everything to be back to normal, and planning to use a hairsystem if my hair goes to shit, but it hold up pretty good for now.
>>75573236Kevin Mann says that it's all in your head and PFS is a hoax
>>75573244i started fin because of Kevin and Derek, they both are on TRT tho.
Big pharma tranny thread. Don’t take finasteride. >trash hormone DHT>real Chad hormone TRight, remember that faggot styropyro who looks and acts like a spastic teenager, yet had 1500ng/dl T levels? There’s your Chad hormone bro! DHT is the primary androgenising hormone in men. It nukes estrogen, makes your voice deeper, cock bigger, hair thicker and bones stronger. Compare this to “Chad hormone” T which 95% of the time converts to estrogen because you faggots all have high prolactin and high serotonin from eating semen shakes, indigestible goyprotein and too much starch that you can’t digest either. Why is it that every bodybuilder who takes test ends up with a retarded Bugs Bunny sounding voice? In these cases, Esterified testosterone serves as a mere precursor hormone for its subsequent aromatisation, as a result of the size of the molecule and difficulty in its metabolism. Why is it that girls who take the pill are so swole? Excess estrogen. I guarantee that a majority of niggers on this board still goon over muh nitric oxide, not realising that the appearance of large muscles is not equivalent to the growth of muscle tissue, and in many cases are opposing forces. This is the role of estrogen, which promotes water retention in cells, making them literally “swole”. This is the same phenomenon that occurs in SSRI and birth control use: elevated serotonin upregulates estrogen as excitant to compensate for lowered metabolism. As for post-finasteride syndrome, it’s 100% real. Finasteride absolutely RAPES production of allopregnanolone and hence why OP is such an insufferable faggot.
i dht mog u tranny and i have hair lel
>>75571538I’m about to hop on Fin. I stil have plenty of hair but the corners are receding more in my mid 30s now.
>>75571619Plus with the way 4chan works in general, nobody ever makes threads actually trying to help people. So if people are shilling fin, it's either big pharma that's behind it or people who want to see others suffer from the side effects
>>75573640It's literally 2 or 3 fags from /fa/ that shill fin here. One is a schizo pajeet who's still bald despite taking fin for 4 years. Another is a literally tranny with an orchiectomy. The 3rd is an obese nigger who spams bbc and cuck shit and thinks he's grooming whites into feminizing themselves by shilling fin. Notice how they can NEVER post hair with a timestamp?
>>75573133Posters spamming "fear mongering" are lower than women. You are so hysterical about your hairline, you will not face facts as they are.
>>75571734U mad silverstein?
>>75571538I was scared of taking Fin because of all the fearmongering on /fit/ but I caved in like 3 weeks ago and so far I have experienced zero changes as far as "side effects" go. Still jerking off 5 times a day. Steel feeling normal. Steel feeling horny.
>>75573359>DHT is the primary androgenising hormone in men. It nukes estrogen, makes your voice deeper, cock bigger, hair thicker and bones stronger.DURING PUBERTY, you can blast DHT derived gear all you want and your cock won't get bigger and your hair won't get thicker, you will go bald, you will start having issues pissing, and you will get hairy ass and back
>>75571584can you post your own before & after so we can see the results instead of reposting the same chink image for the 100th time?
>>75574302more>>>/adv/32433911
>>75573640imagine being such a deluded idiot you think this thread was made by le big pharma
>>75574404what is this schizo shit? some guy asked how to permanently remove hair without laser and somebody posts 10 pictures of some chink hair regrowth methodI swear this website is either full of bots or retards off their meds
>>75573359the change in hormone levels will not be that significant. fin tanks dht by 60-70%, this makes testosterone raise by about 10%. that slight testosterone increase will raise estrodiol levels just slightly, and endocrine system will just adapt to that.
>>75571538Anyone here use Minox alongside Fin? I see a lot of stuff about dermarolling as well though this all sounds like a little much. Min and Fin should be good to go with right?
>>75571538Nice try Merck, but...>Inhibits 5-alpha reductase enzyme more potently>Costs $3 for a 2 month topical supply>Smells really awesome>Doesn't kill your dick
>>75575020Yeah i've used oral min for a couple years to pretty great effect. Started on Fin a few months back and people have commented it looks thicker without me mentioning it.
>>75575037This shit doesn't work
>>75575106Any particular brand? Would like to price check some, any link? An does oral Min have a similar effect on facial hair growth? Just curious as I've seen people apply topical Min to their face with decent results to fill in areas.
>>75575205Yeah its definitely made my eyebrows and stubble thicker. Tbh i just use generic, i think its called Finasta for the fin and you won't need to be worried about the cost of oral Minoxidil, i take 1/2 a pill every second day and the bottles are of 100, costs like $13 here.
>>75571538Want to limit DHT without Fin. Take these including zinc, Vitamin D and iron. You also want to take something to reduce oxidative stress like astaxanthin (natural, not synthetic is better so try a strong krill oil).After you get diet and exercise locked in and supplementing correctly you should be using Minoxidil with a dermaroller.Also try to minimise cortisol and stress if possible, get off sweet food, fix insulin sensitivity (this actually makes foliciles more sensitive to DHT).Remember with hair loss there's never one thing that fixes it, it's always a combination of things.AMA faggots I'm here for another 15 minutes
>>75575037>rosemary/ peppermint oil etc Don't waste your time on rosemary oil or other oils, only topical you shouldn't be rubbing on your head is Minoxidil.When people see any kind of benefit from rosemary oil or other bullshit natural oils it's usually psychosomatic but more often than not it's actually from the process of applying the oils (scalp massage). Believe it or not massages improve blood flow and can trigger growth but it's almost nothing, you would be better using a dermaroller. tldr rosemary oil is absolute bullshit
>>75575376replace shouldn't be with "should be"
i've been on 2mg of fin a week for the past 3 years with no noticeable sidesthat being said, there's no way i'm increasing my dose. despite what kevin man and such people say i really can't convince myself that a natural endogenous hormone my body produces is "useless" or "trash"
>>75573615Not worth it for you bro
>>75575360What's the product? Show the front so I can buy it.I'm already taking astaxanthin
>>75575676nvm im a retard
>>75572654Sauce
>>75575451That's actually a big dosage you can minimize a little more
>>75575676It's a shit product the guy who posts about peppermint is more on the money you could use that and saw palmetto as well milk thistle might work as well buy them isolated and high quality and take the highest safe dosage
>>75575376I think the most promising method is literally just getting botox around the crown of your head. It keeps your scalp from tensing since it's paralyzing those muscles so it's always relaxed and has better flow. The areas where you keep hair when balding are literally the tensed areas and lowest flow areas are where the hair falls out
>>75575685Ok, thankyou anon. I'll look into combining those. Memeblends don't seem very effective anyway from my experience
>>75571619I guess you're no different than them then
>>75571538yes
>>75575376>>75575691>muh blüdflöwif bludflu is a reason behind baldness why don't women get the same you fucking retards? what? all women has nontight scalpes that gets blüdflöw? TRASH HORMONE DHT IS THE MAIN REASON, AND YOU SHOULD STOP COPING AND POP THAT 1MG FIN IN TO YOUR BODY UNTIL ITS TOO LATE.
>>75575684honestly i've been considering cutting down to 1mg per week. i'm in a top percentile of good responders and 2-3mg a week was enough to entirely reverse my receding hairline in 6 months. all i really need to do now is maintain
Fin started giving me tiddies, no sides on Dut though after being on it the same amount of time. Weird
>>75575723i m not mentally ill btw>t. i m trans
>>75575806means that you been on nocebo effect, dut is way more potent than fin and blocks type 1 and 2 5alphaR
>>75575815>gyno forms>'muh nocebo'never breed
>>75575827its nocebo if you think fin gives you moobs but dut dont
>>75575699Well the difference is that I don't , and wouldn't endlessly shill a pharmaceutical product on a Chinese architectural digest forum, even if I was using it.
>>75575842you do not understand nocebo
>>75575854there is no mechanism that would give you moobs on fin that doesnt give you moobs in dut. most likely you were just imagining things. hence nocebo.
>>75575862Not the guy you’re currently replying to, but it wasn’t just gyno on fin. Watery semen, weak erections, lack of sexual interest, etc. Compared to nothing on dut. I can’t explain it either. Maybe it was nocebo, but it didn’t feel like it.
>>75575376>Don't waste your time on rosemary oil or other oils, only topical you>shouldn't be rubbing on your head is Minoxidil.I almost listened to this bullshit advice for a decade besides using ketoconazole also. THIS ADVICE IS BULLSHIT. There are VERY MANY other topical products that grow hair in addition to minoxidil or fin/dut. Do not listen to the hair crabs or the retarded luddites at the FDA, get on PubMed and get experimental. It is true that rosemary oil is usually pretty shit-tier, but this is due to poor extraction of 12-methoxycarnosic acid. Peppermint and hemp oils along with onion juice (allium cepa not glycine max) are some of the most effective natural topicals out there.>t. actually reads the scientific studies on this shit, bout to try adding mulberry oil
>>75574419Go get your booster goldberg
>>75575037this stuff really is good. This and Rosemary.
>>75575723why are you so invested in what other people do. truth alone is vindicating. this much screeching tells me you're a snakeoil shill because you think misinforming retards is funny.
>>75576075>onion juice Stop rubbing on your head anon, you absolute fucking retard
>>75575360>fix insulin sensitivity (this actually makes foliciles more sensitive to DHT).Huh. I've heard about this. How do you fix it? How do you know if you are insulin sensitive?
>>75577354insulin resistance can disrupt the signaling pathways that control hair growth. This can cause hair follicles to reach the telogen phase too soon, resulting in more hair falling out/thinning.You want to reduce insulin sensitivity without GLP-1 agonists then do cardio anon, lose weight reduce carbs, stay healthy, fix any sleep apnea you might have. You can also take omega-3, magnesium, resveratrol, vit D, vit K, niacin even chromium supplements are good but they are just band-aids compared to exercise and fixing diet IMO.
I regret doing fin I should of just hopped on min
>>75577405>I regret doing fin why?>I should of just hopped on minI only tried min but it also has side effects. I developed arrhythmia and peyronie's from it. I believe it also gave me weaker erections.
>>75577405They work in a different way. Only Minoxidil won't stop DHT attacking the follicles, even if there's some new growth and temporal stopping of the receding. There's nothing that can save your hair as long as there's nothing stopping DHT from destroying follicles.
>>75575360>fix insulin sensitivityuh oh, are you telling me that me regrowing my sides got to do with me taking ozempic? I would never thought of that
>>75577405why do you regret fin? min only works first 6-9 months tho. 1 pill a day is enough to keep your hair safe. you don't even need min
>>75577620>uh oh, are you telling me that me regrowing my sidesElaborate
>>75573359Based Ray Peat knower>Why is it that girls who take the pill are so swole? Excess estrogen.Dont agree with this statement unless you are saying its edema and water like stated later on. Estrogen does not grow muscle or make you lean
>>75577346>>onion juice>Stop rubbing on your head anon, you absolute fucking retarduh...>https://www.pnrjournal.com/index.php/home/article/view/5429>Evaluation of Pharmacognostical Properties And Hair Growth Promoting Activity Of Allium cepa>Animal study showed that Allium cepa initiates the hair growth on day 6 and showed complete hair growth on day 20, which was compared with the standard drug Monoxidil. The pure juice of Allium cepa is found effective as that of standard drug Minoxidil for the hair growth in albino rats.Shit actually works, bruh.
>>75574404This difference is just hair length
>>75574419Ever since mainstream institutions lost their credibility, stupid people are falling for quack bullshit in droves.
>>75573236>i took it for 4 years and had numb orgasm from prostate shrinkage and low libido,You probably have ED because you're around 30 years old, your natural test levels are dropping and you probably have a circumcised dick which has become desensitized from friction on clothing and chronic masturbation and porn usage.Risk factors for ED also include obesity which you probably also have.
>>75577346I'm gonna be honest, I feel for the Onion Juice meme. When you first get hairloss, you'll try the stupidest thing imaginable. There's so much broscience when it comes to hairloss treatment. Stopped that shit when I found Moreplatesmoredates.
>>75577913faggot I'm 38 years old and my dick works just as when I was 18. you must be retarded to think at 30 you lose your dick.
>>75571640reassuring. i'm considering hopping on dut at 38. I'm stronger than ever and have been lifting for 20 years. 90kgs and 10% bf.>>75573236reading shit like this always makes me reconsider.i don't want to lose my dick, or grow gynecomastia. and my hair isn't that bad yet.
>>75578121>reading shit like this always makes me reconsider.It's also not real.
>>75578023>anon thinks putting onion juice on his hair is just a meme based on some rat study
What are the chances of dut working if fin has been fucking useless for me?22 btw
>>75578313How do you know? It can be real for some, not real for others. You never know until you try, that's the risky part.
>>75571538Yep I think he may protest too much
>>75578343not very high. there is a genetic mutation that renders both of them useless. if one doesn't work, the other probably won't either.how long did you take it at what dosage?
>>75578344Because no one has ever provided any evidence for it being real. The sum total of the evidence is that you can find a cross section of men who took finasteride at some point and also have low libido. That doesn't indicate a connection because low libido can be caused by any number of things.In order to demonstrate that there is some lasting impact from 5ar inhibitors, you would need to show that either:>5ar enzymes remain low even after stopping and so DHT remains low (this has never bee indicated)or>somehow androgen receptors become insensitive to after it is at low levels for long periods of time even though new androgen receptors are formedThese would be two ways to demonstrate that 5ar inhibitors could have lasting effects. Surprise, neither has ever been shown to be the case. The PFS Network shills all have normal DHT levels and have never been able to show any abnormality caused by 5ar usage.In reality, men begin having lower T around the same time as they start noticing hairloss, usually late 20's early 30's. This is also where low T symptoms begin being noticeable.
>>75578343>>75578352What exactly is this "mutation"? I would suspect the hair loss is due to dietary issues or autoimmunity, perhaps either in addition to or exclusive of androgenic alopecia.
>>75578352still on 1mg/day for the last two years. "useless" might be a little strong, I even got some regrowth at the start. But last six months have been rough, way below baseline. nw2.5 at best.For what it's worth I never had the shedding phase that most people who respond well seem to report.
>>75578372I mean the only thing i've had tested is testosterone which was over 1100ng/dl. no idea if that makes a difference
>>75578368My T was always rather low in the low-mid 600s with clean diet and regular workouts.But even going towards 40 I haven't lost any strength and I can still have sex multiple times a day if I like. So absolutely no low T symptoms.However, virtually no body hair, no odor, and short clavicles and not the most masculine face shape. I certainly didn't have high T in puberty.what you are describing is purely about PFS, which means persisting problems.my concern is mostly side effects while using it (as you'd need to use it basically forever anyway).
>>75578372idk what it's called. but i think it was about a missing enzyme or something. something rather simple, yet unfixable.however, if you saw gains, then you don't have the mutation anyways.>>755783951100 is high dude. consider yourself lucky.natural 1200 is what i would consider gigachad territory. you must be gaining muscle just by looking at the weights.
>>75578439>>75578439>what you are describing is purely about PFSYeah, because that's what was being discussed.If you are concerned about side while on it, they're very rare and even in cases people get them they go away in a while. You can also do things like supplement DIM and boron to lower E to T ratio which seems to be what causes the side effects. Fin and dut can raise estrogen since the excess T isn't being turned into DHT so it can instead get turned into E via aromatase. Boron and DIM can lower estrogen proper.
>>75571538Isn't that the cope drug baldies use?
>>75578448I wish lmao, I'm genetically weak af and always have been. Granted I do make progress very quickly.Seems like something of a mixed blessing though if 10% of that t is converting into DHT.
>>75578477Baldie trannies who don't read very much PubMed and think that the FDA is the supreme oracle of medical efficacy.
Don't give a shit about your badlets. A little over 2 years on fin, nothing changed except my hair is thicker. Maybe your bodies are too weak to handle it. PFS is fake. Take it or don't take it. I love hearing idiots rage about it anyways
>>75573133>>75574299isn't DHT needed for athletic performance? like don't pro athletes avoid going on fin when they go bald? also if DHT isn't needed why do body builders and athletes use it/derivatives when roiding?idk i'm trying to understand hormones in relation to fitness but i feel like the more i learn the less i know
>>75571619Theads are made because they generate (you)s, which are basically the equivalent of likes on this site now, all anyone cares about is getting replys
>>75578753DHT is not needed for muscle or athletic performance.
>>75578753DHT has some anabolic properties but it's more androgenic than anabolic, also just because a compound is derived from DHT doesn't mean it has the same weak effects, it's a different chemical for a reason, otherwise we wouldn't even have all these different steroids, just DHT, Test and Tren
>>75577878>Rishu Singh, Shalini Tripathi, Deepika Gupta, Neelkanth M. Pujari>Journal of Pharmaceutical Negative ResultsFUCKING KEK. You can't even make this shit up. Enjoy your onion juice faggot.
>>75578985>anon thinks some sketchy poojeets doing research automatically invalidates the efficacy of a hair treatment>doesn't just look at https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=allium+cepa+alopeciaenjoy ur balding, fintroon.
>>75578985>Deepika GuptaHas anyone actually redeemed the onion juice and has results anon?
>>75579003Ok faggot, enjoy the made in india onion juice that your derma rolling into your scalp, enjoy the smell and infection faggot.
>>75579008>Has anyone actually redeemed the onion juice and has results anon?Not seen any real life evidence outside of some eat studies anon.
>>75579008this guy has before and after photos in his video after what he claims is a month of using it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZnQu3wkKC0&t=1m50sI had better results than that guy using it longer but added other shit in addition to it such as peppermint oil, hemp oil, caffeine, cetirizine, and melatonin.
>>75579017>saar anon doesn't know how to into manufacturings of the onion juices
>>75579034>believes in Jeet red onion juice >post pics of white onion that hasn't been emulsifiedYou should post hands gamjeet. I know you aren't white.
>>75579048But saar, Dr. Rachna Agarwal say even white onion into grow the hairs too.>https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/food-wine/know-white-onions-can-do-wonders-to-your-body-7989088/Another saar doctor get many reddit updoot for experience with the juices of the onion on the hair: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianSkincareAddicts/comments/10cf81w/comment/j4fiwx3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
how can nuking your dht only cause side efects for 2 - 3% of users? obviously not believable
>>75571538>nukes sperm count>will not have to pass on shitty bald George Costanza genesGo for it OP, keep yourself out of the future gene pool
>>75579310>nukes sperm countElon has 12 kids while being on fin
>>75573244Kevin Mann is a clown
>>75575723Kevin Mann pls fuck off
>>75575815It's a different chemical and it's commonly said in the literature it doesn't quite work the same as fin.
>>75578344Because not a single study has ever proven it to be real. It's entirely "trust me bro" anecdotes.
>>75579421Elon probably has gallons of his semen cryogenically frozen in an underground lair, which upon thawing out, a team of scientists separate the healthy sperm from the less viable sperm to prepare it for insemination. I guarantee those are some test tube baby shit.
>>75577717>Elaboratelike, Im a living contradiction for /fit/ shamans. My father went totes bald at my age. Im using minox for 15 years + microneedling, my sides got a bit better since I was 18. The scalp started to detoriate again at the age of 32 (around DHT spike + I was taking creating). I laid of creating and hopped on mild fina (2mg/week). Fastforward year later, my scarlp is back to where it was at the age of 20. No sides.
>>75579560to add up to it, got tired of being weak, hopped on ozempic a year ago, might be related idk
>>75571538The best approach is not to boost DHT or to suppress it, but to go back and forth. My personal schedule is like this:fast one day a weektwo days pumping caffeine, stimulants and stimulate DHT production, exercise until my body begs for mercy, same for mental exercise/academic work, until brian begs for mercyone day of testosterone synthesis, light exercise, focus on technique, no stimulants, take adenosine antagonists to counteract caffeine, raw egg yolks with DHEA before bedrepeat of same thing, two days pump, one day test/neurotransmitter recoveryfast againmy week on a plateI'm about a month from turning 35, my sex drive has never been higher even though I've been hypersexual since I was a teenager, girlfriend just turned 21 and can't even begin to keep up with me, fittest I've ever been, highest mental performance I've ever had and it feels like I'm just getting started
>>75579699literal bro science shit
>>75579746True, to a some degree, but I'm also an actual neuroscientist kekI'd say there is no exact science on any of this, since there is a large degree of individual variability between humans. The key is just learning how shit works in principle, what the functions are of different hormones/neurotransmitters, observing in yourself what is going on (how is your dopamine transmission, is your testosterone production high but is it not getting released, how do you respond to cortisol, do you have enough adrenaline stimulation, etc.). For instance suppressing cortisol might work for a lot of guys with low test, but you need a cortisol burst early in the day to kickstart the production and release of dopamine throughout the day. For some guys with test problems the issue is not high cortisol, it's cortisol timing relative to their biological clock, so for some it's about finding ways to get a cortisol release earlier in the day than later in the day, not about lowering cortisol. People like that might actually suffer from suppressing their cortisol.Then you have shit like autism and ADHD, so people with either or both respond differently to dopamine and testosterone. But both exist on a spectrum so you can have a person with aspects of the "autism scaffolding" in their brain, metabolism and hormonal regulation, but without any actual symptoms of autism, or at least not problematic. But that person might still respond negatively to certain dopaminergic substances in the same way someone with "full" autism would. So you might have some miracle stimulant that for a lot of people will make them feel ultra pumped, while someone with mild aspects of autism/ADHD would just get mentally nuked.But in terms of testosterone and DHT I would say that that excess DHT as well as excessive suppression of DHT are likely to disrupt testosterone homeostasis. If you want to maintain healthy testosterone levels it's a generally just a good idea to stimulate test and DHT equally.
>>75579560>>75579580Probably more related to quitting creatine (known for increasing DHT) and hopping on fin.
>>75579013i believe the personal trainer pharma shill science!
>>75577913didn't had ED, and i tested my hormones, T lvls were at 700 and everything else was in range to, i'm a non smoker, only drink 4-5 times a year and train regularly with 15% bodyfat. even did an std panel to make sure it wasn't that.i wanted fin to work, some people just need normal sized prostate to function.
>>75578313>>75578368PFS is not proven to be real, side effects from finasteride are real. Just because some youtuber vegan fake natty keeps telling you that sides are extremely rare and its "just in your had bro" is not evidence.
Side effects are real, but the only verifiable mechanism that causes them comes from elevated estrogen levels, which can happen because blocking dht causes more T to be available for aromatase to do its thing.This is however rate because most men have low E and a small 20% bump wont push it into dangerous levels. But if you E is high to begin with fin can make it high enough to grow some bitch tits. If you have verifiably low E but still feel like you suffer from sides, you should try to be less of a neurotic mental wreck because most likely you're just imagining things. Hypochondria is a real thing.
>>75580136>Probably more related to quitting creatine (known for increasing DHT) and hopping on fin.yea sure. I just wanted to highlight the smoothness of the process. No hairs falling out randomly, the entire shedding happens in a predictable way, we know what causes it. Im otherwise healthy, the regrowing part can be traced back 100% to me hopping on fina. I still get mighty beard gains, easing off on your natural dht is not that big of a deal.
>>75580324>Side effects are real, but the only verifiable mechanism that causes them comes from elevated estrogen levels, which can happen because blocking dht causes more T to be available for aromatase to do its thing.Explain PFS then
>>75580650>explain something with no proofyou explain tooth fairy
spiro > fin100%
>>75580790spiro is a literal tranny drug. it doesnt block dht, it blocks testosterone.
>>75580850how dumb are you? u only go on it 1 year, get all ur hair back then u maintain. its a game changer
>>75579027So do you mix it all together and apply it? Got a recipe for measurements senpai?
>>75580869yeah just deal with bitch tits, reduced muscle mass and fertility and a shrunken dick. no biggie.
>>75581024>>75580850>>75580869>>75580790Holy pharma-tardation, Batman. Spyro the Dragon acetone is indicated as a TOPICAL antiandrogen in cisgender males. You're not supposed to eat the shit.>WHY ARE ALL THE ANONS ALWAYS EATING ALL THE DAMN TOPICAL HAIR DRUGS!?
>>75581302what is this, a hairlosstalk thread from 2001? topical spiro is like topical dut. the molecules are so big that they dont absorb dermally, so it doesn't do shit, unless you microneedle your skin so hard its absorbed into your blood, and then it goes systemic anyway. if you must use a topical antiandrogen, you should use RU.
>>75581345>anon recommends the hair research chemical that has multiple fatalities
>>75580871>So do you mix it all together and apply it? Got a recipe for measurements senpai?Oils and waters don't mix too well. Hemp and peppermint oils, you can just rub like 1ml of each onto hair once or twice a day. Shit like onion juice, caffeine, cetirizine, and melatonin mix much easier. An easy-ass recipe I use is 4oz onion juice, two no-doz caffeine pills (200mg caffeine each), two 10mg cetirizine tablets, and a 3mg melatonin tablet, mix it all up and leave it in the fridge, apply 1ml once or twice a day.>mint water is probably the best 5-alpha reductase inhibiting admixture to reduce onion smell. teatree oil and coaltar shampoos take it out really well once you've treated for a few hours.
>>75571538Lol I too watch haircafe. Based kevin ( even tho he is inexplicably a libshit)
>>75581796Hope scube3 and Gt20029 are all they've been amped up to be. Think we might see em in about 2 or so years time. After that, assuming they work, the only thing left to wait for would be genetic engineering to cure diseases.
Reality is u don't lose much hair if u have good diet, don't need to nuke any hormones
>>75573359Based. Truth is it's not as simple as t good e bad. Estrogen is imperative in building muscle as well. The entire hormonal system is nuanced and complicated and you have all of them for a good reason, not a good idea to completely nuke anything, ask any bodybuilder worth a shit why they aren't just on super high dose of AI all the time. It fucks ur shit up, u need estrogen to some degree, u just don't want too much, same w dht
>>75581826That's nowhere near the reality
>>75581826why don't women lose hair with shit diet as much as men?
>>75581374>no source stfu provide the links or keep your mouth shut "doc"
>>75582128I can't find shit about people dying, but there are reports of cardiac side effects: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/my-recent-scary-ru58841-experience-7-words.130876/
>>75580790>>75580869Yea I'm seeing this on Tik Tok a lot. Just get on it for 12-18 months, restore anything lost and then do T after.
Been on fin for 2 years, still get morning wood every morning, still have sex daily, strongest I've been in my life.
>>75571621I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin mann is a /fit/ poster. His lingo is very reminiscent of a 4chan poster
>>75580790you went from looking like a LOTR extra in Osgilioth to a LOTR extra in Hobbiton
Is dribbling glueish cum is alright after taking fin for more than a week? Will it return to normal?
>>75583403yeah
>>75583403you know that has nothing to do with fin right? if you edge, your cum heats up and sprays out almost like water.
>>75580274>side effects from finasteride are realThat's literally what was said retard-kun.
>>75571566>It plays a significant role in developing and maintaining male sexual characteristics.i.e. during puberty. You don't need it after. Notice how you can't actually list any specific functions it has in adulthood
>>75584921making you bald and miserable is important
>>75580790>>75580869show me the actual hairline
>>75580274>>75580324they've tested it against placebo, fin has the same level of sides as placebo. It's all psychological.
>>75585206Not totally. Some studies show an incidence up to 15% of side effects.The reason is likely the imbalancing of your T to E ratio since estradiol increases with testosterone.
>anons are still falling for trans-castrator-ide
>anons are still falling for just shave it and lift bro
>>75585110It's true, evolutionarily being bald pushes females to seek out more virile semen, i.e. from young men with hair.
Have any of you had experience taking methylated B vitamins?What was your before and after?
been on fin for 6 months. not shedding anymore. what's you experience with seeing regrowth? i know you're supposed to wait a full year or even two years, but should you start seeing peach fuzz earlier? what percentage of people have regrowth?trying to figure out if i should start oral minoxidil.started fin just after noticing recession. most wouldn't be able to tell i'm losing hair.
>>75585656Fin is maintenance, not regrowth. A tiny amount of freak responders might recover a tiny bit of ground on fin alone. Minox is for possibly getting some level of regrowth.
>>75586093RU-58841 does both
>>75586266ru has sides and it's not FDA approved
>>75585656>but should you start seeing peach fuzz earlier? what percentage of people have regrowth?best I can tell you, its prolly gonna take like 2-3 years on fina. I got some 2-5cm single hairs here and there after a year of taking it. I do lots of other things as well, I believe in microneedling and enabling blood flow to the area as much as possible
>>75587634everything good has sides. no free meal. dont be a faggot and go for it anyway.
>>75585656my experince with fin regrowth is that is turns the clock back by 2 years. meaning i was able to get some of my hair back but i still look like a turd without a hair transplant. if you really wanna max your gains, try 2.5mg dut. it lowers your scalp dht by 80%. fin only lowers it by 40% at best.
>>75588099How fucked your hair was before starting? What Norwood scale, temples, crown or both, etc..
>>75588092topical hemp and peppermint oils have had no sides for me besides a little bit of excess eyebrow growth, starting to look a little saar if I don't keep up with the tweezers desu.>better than a f'n heart attack
>>75571538>nukes trash hormone DHTThat's cool. I didn't want a functional penis anyway.
>>75588995Doesn't have anything with erection. It's all psychological.
>>75579034>anon's parents walk in on him massaging pureed onions into open wounds on his scalp
is it true that this shit gives gyno? Can't stop touching my boobies since I learned about it
>>75590337technically it could if you're fat
>>75588995good thing it doesn't nuke your T
>nukes trash hormone DHTcan someone explain how does this shit increase growth of almost every type of hair on body except scalp? There must be something more to androgenic alopecia that wasn't discovered. It can't be just muh dht le bad
>>75590337Medfag here. When your body has an excess of testosterone, it undergoes a chemical process called aromatization. Fin blocks DHT synthesis, so that extra T becomes estradiol instead, giving you gyno.
>>75590441it's all genetic/depends if you're fat and have a lot of aromatazeI can blast half a gram of test without AI and my E2 levels are fine and not get any gyno
>>755904385-alpha-reductase type 2 isoenzymeBeard hair expresses genes promoting growth when exposed to DHT (e.g., IGF-1 pathways).Scalp hair expresses genes promoting miniaturization and fibrosis when exposed to DHT (e.g., TGF-β and DKK1)The hair on the sides and back of the scalp is androgen-insensitive because these follicles have fewer androgen receptors and exhibit lower activity of androgen-responsive pathways.
>>75590452that doesn't make any sense
>>75590487What doesn't?
>>75590487Works on my machine
>>75590498That few cm apart follicles gets destroyed by dht instead of getting stimulated, like the rest of them
>>75590452looks like there are a lot of drugs being developed to target it.>Drug Discovery of DKK1 Inhibitors>https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pharmacology/articles/10.3389/fphar.2022.847387/fullWikipedia also says vitamin C's metabolite does: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKK1#In_vitro_studies
>>75590645Why doesn't it make sense?>>75590677Looks promising. I think ultimately blocking DHT long term is not a good solution, so impeding the mechanisms of action instead would probably be better, like blocking collagen production around the scalp's follicles to prevent fibrosis
>>75578848>>75578984does this mean people with androgen insensitivities can blast anabolics and still get swole
>>75588614is there any proof that peppermint oil works? only study i see is a rat study
>>75576075stop beating around the bush and link a product on amazon. Does this shit work on facial hair?
Nothing brings out your catty faggotry like a balding thread.Do whatever your want lmao
>>75571538Isn't DHT required for erections?
>>75573359>styropyrothe laser guy? Why the fuck would you know his t levels?
the fact people seethe about my personal choice to take finasteride is really telling.i'm not forcing you to take it, i'm not insuling you for your hair loss. i respect your choices so you aught to respect mine. if i suffer side effects it's on me; only i suffer for it.the fact that people get so militantly belligerent towards people who did choose to start fin, and have benefitted form it, reeks of bitterness and regret.
>>75591299Erection is a psychological thing, has nothing to do with hormones. The only downside is lower volume of secretion ig, since prostate and seminal vesicles becomes smaller. idk if that persists tho, some report watery semen, some say it becomes more viscosity.
>>75591302https://youtu.be/1162ouPHH3Q?feature=shared
>>75591593tl;dr>high SHBG>his insurance trying to make the next Luigi by dying shit
>>75590487that's because you're retarded
>>75571538fin min master race. >hair has increased density>dad & both grandfathers were balding at my age>started when my hair showed signs of thinning and now have thicker hair than when I was 21do it
anons any help for eyebrows?should I bite the bullet and try minox? scared it will make me go blind desu
>>75571538been on topical min (5%), oral min (2.5 mg) and oral fin (1 mg) for more than 2 yearsat first i started seeing noticeable reduction in hair lossdont remember if i was gaining more hair, but my scalp density was still pretty high for 2 years of usage, until, this octoberin september, i gooned a lot, like one hour sessions or sometimes two, for 15 consecutive daysthen i started losing hairs like crazypreviously i would lose just 10-15 hairs per day when styling my hair using my hands, then by the end of september and start of october i started losing a dozen hair with each swipe of my hand through my hairdo not goon, bros, it will kill your scalp>inb4 pornjew copenot falling for your satanic ploy again
I've been taking fin for 2 weeks and since reading it can cause gyno, I can't stop touching my breast to see if there are anymore lumps. I feel few small lumps under nipple tho, but I'm not sure if I had them before or not.
>>75573244cruising steroids is not the norm, his hormones are beyond salvageable but yeah it work as long as you stay on TRT
>>75592290Good shit brother. I’m off porn too. I’m sticking to it this time. I’m done.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/referrals/finasteride-dutasteride-containing-medicinal-productsOh no no no europoor baldcels
>>75592803>ban fin and dut for causing suicidal thoughtsthey're gonna see actual suicides skyrocket if they force men to lose their hair gains
>>75592876>implying there aren't a bajillion other hair drugs/plants out thereanyone who thinks fin/dut is the be all end of all hair has not done any serious research lmao
>>75593522yeah there's other ways to block DHT but most men don't want to transition
>>75593530what if I told u a couple f'n plant chemicals u can rub on ur scalp mog fin>https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/13/11/2152
>>75593536>rub on ur scalpthat shit doesnt work
>>75571538>9% increase in testosterone shown in studies>mpb is genetic and quite literally can't be avoided>grown men don't get acne>skincare is for fags>efficacy for WHAT? it literally does nothing did you know you need to be 18 to post here, laddie?
Astaxanthin apparently blocks dht, what would happen if i applied it topically?
>>75593621calm down resident incel
My GP prescribed be 1mg fin every second day but i have my doubts about his knowledge. Shouldn't you want consistency in lowering scalp DHT? Its really working though
>>75595048taking 1mg EOD would be like taking 0.5mg every day, the efficacy is only marginally worse than taking 1mg, look up finasteride dosage efficacy
>>75593536Very interesting thanks
>>75593540either paid fin shill or you're losing hair due to autoimmune problems>t. got pretty significant hair thickening from rubbing a milliliter of peppermint oil on my scalp a couple times a day after only a few weeks.
>>75592589You get pain that's the tell sign
>>75593536How do you use them topically do you take milk thistle orally as well?
>>75595048Nah the drug accumulates you should take less actually
>>75593655Idk but it doesn't cause side effects if taken orally it's highly beneficial
>>75592290Prolactin causes hair shedding
>>75571584>Haha le making nahtzees pour chlorine on them>Isnt it really funny xisters?Get out nigger
>>75595422>anon doesn't know u can get milk thistle oil>https://www.amazon.com/s?k=milk+thistle+oil
>>75595450What about saw palmetto oil you tried that? It's the go to hair loss natural supplement i haven't experienced any sides from them orally you might get better gains if you combine both oral and topical
>>75595481significantly weaker than peppermint, milk thistle, or fin, but it is low on side effects topically, orally not so much.
>>75595501I wish i could go back on time and stop myself from taking fin, did you know saw palmetto actually helps ed? In the same mechanism fin actually causes penile deformation, look it up you're a researcher.
>>75595514stop spreading bs
>>75595804What bullshit?
>>75575360>t. GNC wagie
>>75590487logic is a made up thing by humans, men hair on top is fucked by dht, the rest aren't, it just how it is.
>>75585206>>75585224yeah watery cum is totally a placebo, a 30-40% smaller prostate than normal has no effect on libido, orgasm quality and erections.
>>75571538>trash hormone DHT
>>75595971this boy is addicted to prostate orgasms over here
>>75577913lol, lmao even. I'm 40 and cut and I still get morning wood every day. In fact I couldnt get back to sleep this morning because I was so fucking horny. And I watch a good amount of porn too. I love naked women. But my drive is high because I do insane cardio, life and eat right. Things like age, circumcision, or porn are all bullshit really when it comes to ED. ED is all about health.
>>75596002all male orgasm come from the prostate, dummy.
>>75596184damn you sound like you take mean dick. number?
>>75596282>Finasteride user>mean dickLol
>>75596471bet your prostate is already quivering
>>75571538You forgot>Nukes your libido, many times irreversible>Has been proven to kill your sperm cellsAnd we wonder why male infertility keeps going up, kek
>>75596618It's nonexistent because i took finsterlized and my dick is kinda dead right now, anyways how are you enjoying the simulated pseudo hermaphrodite experience?
>>75596643It's good for eugenics on the flip side
>>75596690would you like me to give you a prostate orgasm?
I quit finasteride 18 months ago and still have lower ejeculate volume, weaker erections, lower libido, less frequent morning wood. If I knew the side effects would be permanent I would never have taken the drug.
>>75575723Because restricted blood flow causes inflamation and men and women have different mechanisms to deal with it. Women use estrogen, while men dht. Simple as that.
>>75576075Why would you supplement pepermit oil to fin when both do the same? If you want to completely nuke dht, just use one of those in large doses. What's the point of using several drugs that do the same?
>>75596708>>75596618the postate is the organ that is responsible for the male orgasm, touched or not, you can't be this retarded.
>>75585365kek, I'll keep that in mind next time I get called daddy
>>75597378ho often do you play with your prostate?
>>75571619>With how much this gets shilled here I'm starting to think someone is insecure in their use of Finasteridei see the opposite - people here seem to be constantly shitting on hair loss medications. i have a bottle of topical fin/min combination in my house right now but i'm afraid to use it partially because of the people on this board put the fear of god in me
>>75597623your mother plays with it, she tickles my prostate with her tongue, if she slack off i slap her around to keep the pace up, than i cum on her face, u bum ass nigga.
>>75596708Maybe if you're a cute twink
>>75596702>Gets hair>Can't procreateWas the cost worth it?
>>75575037How much is your commision per sale Karen?
>>75598025BOUT TREE FIDDY, U BASIC BITCH BECKY.>add Sadaf brand mint water for extra hair gainz
>>75597025Your inner sissy came out. Sorry anon. Your body gladly welcomed the changes and dispensed with your masculinity. Your second puberty if you would
been on dutasteride for a yearZero sides, lifts going up, skin looks greatgood thing there's no post-dutasteride system
>>75599457theres no post fin syndrome either, just insane hypochondriacs with woman brains
>>75599464>theres no post fin syndrome either, just insane hypochondriacs with woman brainsI wonder how on earth those women brains got inside men? Its almost as if they were chemically castrated
>>75599486or maybe nothing ever happened to them and their neurotic minds just make up shit, like women.
>>75571538Don't care, I'm Mr Clean maxxing
>>75599464High estrogen and low dht gives you a "woman brain"
>>75599921>high Emaybe get your hormones in control before hopping on fin then lol. fin gives you like 10% more estrogen, if thats what does it you were practically a woman to begin with.
>>75599966No i'm just saying that having higher estrogens and lower androgens will give you more feminine mental states
>>75571640thats called an anecdote
>>75600262are you too retarded to understand the irony in what you're saying? the whole existence of pfs hangs upon a bunch of guys telling insane anecdotes. there has never been any physiologically observable evidence of it.
>>75599819will she shave my back too
