What's even the point of lifting if you're not roiding?>working twice as hard to look half as impressive as someone who roidsWhat's even the point?>inb4 dyelI worked my fucking ass of in the last 5 years and I doubt it was worth it. There is a ceiling that is simply impossible to break natty without having lifting be your fucking full time job.Pic related is about as far as you can go natty unless you have 1% genetics. People unfamiliar with fitness can't even tell if you lift.
>People unfamiliar with fitness can't even tell if you liftsshowed your hand rajeet
>>75607371Roid trannies will never be real men
>>75607371Sounds like you fucked up a lot Hit FFMI 30.2 @ 8%bf after 8 years of serious lifting all natural Getting huge is a giant puzzle and your life is most of the pieces you have to put together Most dudes who end up where you are refused to run an LP program as a noobThey often refused to hit all the compounds heavy at volume every 3 days as intermediate They kept drinking alcohol and refusing to do cardio They ate nowhere near enough real food and didn't control their cortisol They refused to increase heavy volume when they were stalling on gainsIt's logically not that difficult, but you have to both problem solve AND carry out your tests to get to where you can overcome Being huge natty isn't for everyone, you included apparently
>>75607429Not saying it's not possible, just not sure if it is worth it.Just so you know, a 6'4" tall dude will always command more respect than a 5'9" gym maxxer.
>>75607527>Just so you know, a 6'4" tall dude will always command more respect than a 5'9" gym maxxer.Who are you trying to convince - us or yourself? And why do you feel the need to tell everyone it? Shouldn't it speak for itself? If it's so obvious, why do you feel the need to go around preaching it? >manletNo, I'm tall.
>>75607553Hahahaha
>>75607371I mog every roider that has ever existed and may God smite me if I'm wrong
longevity obviously
>>75607429so basically people should take the steroid?
>>75607660Delete your post and repent you absolute madman. Don't try the Most High.
>>75607371I'm 6'4", so it's harder for muscle to show, andI work out 9-10x monthly for 30 minute sessions and look 5x better than that picture. Gear is only for people who are competing or who are so insecure they're willing to sacrifice any potential benefits that weightlifting would comfer in order to temporarily look good. I guarantee that even if you do train enough to look world class on gear the bad skin, moodiness, and broken pens would ensure no quality woman would ever consider you
>>75607371Longevity, health, self-esteem?Like, you should only roid if you compete or make a living out of thisOtherwise you're getting into a risk factor for no other reason than your insecurity
>>75607371>People unfamiliar with fitness can't even tell if you lift.Yeah, they can. The bar is so remarkably low when it comes to fitness & strength that you'll get compliments just by doing calisthenics regularly. Only chuds & roidtrannies think otherwise never their social lives are dog shit.
>>75609089There's no greater pleasure than mogging roid trannies as a natty
>>75607387Who is this supposed to embarrass or demotivate? What is even the point of posting this constantly? cringey as fuck lol.
>>75609341Things that dont happen for $200 Alex
1) He's standing in shadow. 2) while he's a perfectly healthy body fat percentage, in the year of our Lord 2024 you've got to be a little bit extra to turn heads. If he cut 10lb he'd have a real pop to his physique
>>75607371Being natty makes roiders seethe, being on roids hurts their soul. Also I doubt you had one single hard session, I constantly get mired as a natty and my doctor tells me I should stop taking steroids
>>75607371I stopped taking gear when I realized women weren’t into it. I get waaay more pussy off gear than I did when I was on it. If you’re taking gear to get women you’re an idiot.
>>75607371>What's even the point of lifting if you're not roiding?>No ball shrinkage or disruptions in sexual performance>No organ damage>No other medical complications>Not looking like a circus freak>Peace, knowing every gram of muscle is earned through work and not obtained through cheating>Not feeling like a fraud>Not having to worry about juicing forever to keep my gains>Something to work towards
>>75607371What's the point of roiding if you're not an athlete or a model?You put yourself at a significant health risk and effectively become a drug addict just to have a few more kilos of lean mass on your body that might potentially make you look stupid if you lack the look for it.Roiding is almost as insane as doing hard drugs when you think about it clearly.
>>75610682>You put yourself at a significant health riskaccording to the studies that natties like to quote that tell them you can gain muscle on steroids without working out, the same studies conclude that you can blast 600mg test/week WITHOUT ANY SIDE EFFECTS AND JUST GROWhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8637535/
>I'm tired of working hard>I want to just cheat>[rationalization x 5]Shut the fuck up and just do it. No I'm not going to say it's okay or you deserve it. You don't. You're going to fuck up your health. Good riddance.
I came to the same conclusion.Spent 3 years nattycucking, got really sick, almost died, spent most of the year sick/in a hospital, lost all my gains, spend 14 months getting my gains back, figured what's the point?Hopped on gear, blasting and cruising basic test 4-5 months on/off, bloodwork and BP still good (although I also eat healthy and do my cardio which probably helps).I honestly don't care if I could get what I'm looking at naturally, or if there are people who could do better naturally, or about any other of that shit, all I care about the fact that I have more drive, I recover faster, I have more energy all around even when sleep-deprived/stressed and that I'm basically not wasting my time.
>>75612103Also some thoughts on my journey so far:* Pinning is not as bad as people make it out to be once you get over the mental hurdle, and your tissues get used to it so you don't really feel PIPs after either, the only ass thing about it is if you sometimes nick a vein and get a bruise.* What sucks is that you need to figure out how to dial in your AIs, different people aromatize/react to different levels of E2 differently, and getting it dialed in makes the difference between steroids making you feel like shit and them making you feel all around good.* It's relatively cheap for the basics, $15 gets me 4 months worth of Test, another $20 or so gets me 12 months worth of alcohol wipes/syringes/needles BUT running Aromasin for E2 is the expensive part.* If you are below natty limit, you can retain most of the strength gains when coming off, I'd usually just drop a few reps here and there and then maintain the same strength for another 3-4 weeks before making gains again without blasting.
>>75607429That's a huge claim to make without a body lost. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt I have to assume you're delusional and actually have around 25ffmi. >hit all the compounds heavy at volume every 3 days as intermediateWhat are all the compounds according to you? And what is "at volume" because I can easily hit it so hard that I'm not even moving my arms 3 days later. I'd love to lift like that so I'm asking for details. Also how does one control their cortisol?
